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Speaker 1: and welcome to season four to twelve, Episode two of

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Speaker 1: Didi's Eight Guys. This is a production of iHeart Radio's

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Speaker 1: the podcast where you take a deep dive into america

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Speaker 1: Shared consciousness, and this week that shared consciousness got cobwebs

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Speaker 1: if you're a virgin in Salem. Talking about yesterday's episode

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Speaker 3: This morning, we were talking about intergalactic we were talking

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Speaker 1: He was on the fact that the world is queerer

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Speaker 1: It's a good quote. Quote sums up some of my

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Speaker 1: Why not? You know? Yeah, Jack, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: on the spookiest of weeks. Thank you. Your podcast is

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Speaker 1: our legacy along? What is something you think is underrated? Jack?

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Speaker 1: Waking up early is underrated? Waking up early?

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Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Waking up early under that's crazy because most

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Speaker 1: people that are fucking jacked, dude, are waking up early. Man,

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Speaker 1: I don't know in their mind. Maybe I don't know

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Speaker 2: It's the same thing with like the gun guys training

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Speaker 1: But it seem like it's the buff guys or the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you could let a lot of you

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Speaker 1: Now it's just like you know, the like objectively does

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Speaker 1: you're gonna need to spend a year get starting to

434
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 1: look like Superman, drinking goat and mill.

435
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 2: If he was in the suit all the time, he

436
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 2: would have almost no muscle mass point Yeah, yeah, because

437
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 2: like he wouldn't be using his muscles.

438
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be amazing. Victory the superproduser Victor said

439
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 1: he would have Elon Musk's body type. Amazing damn I

440
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 1: god fit giant Torso Jarvis a just mid section please

441
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Speaker 1: there's I mean.

442
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Speaker 3: It's funny though, too, because I think we were talking

443
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 3: about this last week about how all the leading men

444
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 3: are just so fucking rich with everyone fucking body fat,

445
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 3: and I'm like on gear though, yeah, I was like,

446
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 3: but remember, like Kevin Costner was like the fucking height

447
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 3: of it, Like in Americans, like, oh god, this guy

448
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 3: that looks like he doesn't work out ever, and just

449
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 3: that's the ideal.

450
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, like he's like naturally fit enough. Okay, here's a

451
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 2: good Google search Kevin Costner shirtless. See that would have

452
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 2: been I'm looking at right now. He looked there's the

453
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Speaker 2: one with the chest hair right, Oh, I mean hill

454
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 2: him in Bull Durham.

455
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Speaker 1: That's like.

456
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Speaker 2: That's kind of like where you want to be. That's

457
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 2: a good place to be as a guy. I mean,

458
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 2: you could get a little more muscle, but you know

459
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 2: my ideal body type Kevin Costner and Bull Durham. Yeah,

460
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 2: it's like not a ton of muscle, but he's looking good.

461
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, buff doesn't work all the time. Though

462
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 1: it's not bad.

463
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 2: There's a way that there's like a six pack if

464
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 2: you're not meant to have one spiritually, it's like not good.

465
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

466
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 2: You ever seeing somebody that like works really hard to

467
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 2: get one. Then you see it and you're like, did

468
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 2: not expect you to have that? And I don't know

469
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 2: if I feel.

470
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 1: Comfortable with it? What the fuck? What do you do?

471
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, You're at the end of

472
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 2: the beach and it's like a really pasty dude. It

473
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 2: almost looks he has a photoshopped set of abs on.

474
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Speaker 1: It's creepy. Yeah, that's Jack. I'm just looking the photoshopped

475
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: as well. You tape the photo on your stomach. But

476
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: I'm just remembering the Kevin Costner swimming in a in

477
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 1: Robin Hood. He's like taking a bath in a waterfall.

478
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 1: And that is the reverse of the Iron Man, where

479
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: it's like, wait, this doesn't make sense that he would

480
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Speaker 1: be this Jack. It's he's like supposed to be the

481
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 1: fucking hottestitude ever. He's like getting out of a shower,

482
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: out of you know, the equivalent, the Robinhood equivalent of

483
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 1: the shower, which is a waterfall. And like Maid Marian

484
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 1: is like visibly being like, oh god, I'm looking at this.

485
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: D Yeah, dude, how are you gonna say that? He

486
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 1: looks like, you know, this is normal, looks like regular. Yeah. Yeah,

487
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: he's like extra regular, extra me Robin Hood bringing back

488
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 1: extra regular. Yeah. Oh wow, was this ass out in

489
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,719
Speaker 1: the movie? His asses out, remember, and he has tand lines.

490
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, I guess.

491
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Speaker 3: The sun is strong out there in Sherwood for us.

492
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Speaker 3: All right, we're gonna, we're gonna, you got there. I

493
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Speaker 3: imagine this is normal saddle show. But yeah, yeah, this

494
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 3: is about so yeah Kevin Costs and.

495
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Speaker 1: Our shirtless Let's take a quick break and we'll come

496
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Speaker 1: back and talk about Oija. We'll be right back, and

497
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 1: we're back. We're back. And uh. You did a couple

498
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Speaker 1: episodes on WIGE Awards, yes a year ago or so

499
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: and then a more recent one where you cover the

500
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Speaker 1: phenomenon of Zozo and Zaza.

501
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Speaker 2: Who I mean, it's funny, it's it is funny. The

502
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 2: aren't The episodes aren't funny, they're scary, but they are spooky.

503
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 1: I was getting spooked. It's getting downright spooked to listen

504
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: to those things. It's kind of like, he reminds me,

505
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: have you ever been in a meeting where like someone

506
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 1: zoom bombs it, like usually a teenager fuck you, like

507
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: just as the worst thing they could think of in

508
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: that That's really funny though.

509
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 3: That's like such a twenty twenty kind of It was

510
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 3: a real zoom bombing.

511
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: It was a it was a real pandemic thing. Yeah,

512
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: and that kind of feels like, what's happening. It's like

513
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: these two malevolent spirits that keep and so here. The

514
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: thing that is creepy about it is that you're taught

515
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: you the format of your shows. You talk to people

516
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: who they then tell their story of this thing that

517
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: resists sort of explanation happening to them, and so it's

518
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: like almost an oral tradition. You get to hear the

519
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 1: story from them. It adds a real like layer of

520
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: like I don't know that's this is like it's hard

521
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 1: to deny when people are like, yeah, so like I

522
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: was in high school, like this is the weird shit

523
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 1: that I was doing, and then like this thing started happening.

524
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: And in this case that like people were fucking around

525
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: with Wiji boards and like they started having these like

526
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: really dark messages come through and it was Zozo in

527
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 1: the episodes from last year was like what they kept

528
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: it kept going zo zo zo and like they they

529
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: didn't realize it at the time, but like you do

530
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: the research and this is a there's a trend across

531
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: people who fuck around with Wigi boards of like this

532
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: specific thing happened.

533
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 3: Oh and Zaza is like a common Ouiji board.

534
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 2: It's like a very common thing, very common. There's like

535
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: a movie called I Am Zozo that I think is

536
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 2: like not very well reviewed. I think it's like a

537
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 2: thirteen percent rotten tomato situation, but a classic. But yeah,

538
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 2: this is like a massive thing, and you know, I

539
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: had heard of it, Like I I think I had

540
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 2: heard of like the concept just from being on the

541
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 2: internet or something. But it's totally something that I would

542
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 2: completely laugh at and not want to do on the show.

543
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you were consciously making up names. Those

544
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: would not be the names you came in.

545
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 2: Sounds like a big name that like a thirteen year

546
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 2: old girl she's like to write a horror movie for

547
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 2: the first time, like a like.

548
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: A five year old that lies a lot.

549
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly, but it is weird, And yeah, I

550
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 4: started getting a lot of emails about it, and then

551
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 4: you know, obviously people I ended up interviewing had like

552
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 4: really intense stories that involve this, and apparently it's really

553
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 4: common for something to kind of like take over on

554
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 4: the board and identify itself by this name.

555
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 1: And yeah, I guess that was.

556
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Speaker 2: Like where it turned for me, is when I was

557
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,959
Speaker 2: starting to talk to people who like weren't aware that

558
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 2: this is a phenomena that's known, and even things that

559
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 2: kind of like happened before the anybody was talking about

560
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: this at all on the internet.

561
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, so my read like heading in was more like

562
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: I think weedi words are super interesting because I do

563
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: think like they're you know, like like skeptics will be like, oh,

564
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: it's just like people you know, moving the thing on purpose,

565
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: and I tend to think it's like more they're moving

566
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: it and don't realize they're doing it, and so this

567
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: like part of them is being expressed that they don't

568
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: have access to or like control over, you know, like

569
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: it's like a sort of YOUNGI in like some part

570
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: of and in this case, it would be like a

571
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: shared unconscious because they all have the same name and

572
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: like this that is associated with the same like dark energy. Yeah,

573
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: which I think like that doesn't explain everything, but I

574
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: do think it's easy. Like this comes up a lot

575
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: on our show in reference to like the story of

576
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: Havana syndrome, where everyone was like, oh, they were making

577
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: it up, and it's like, I don't think they were

578
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: intentionally making it up. Like I think they experienced those

579
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: realities of like a bad thing like getting hit with

580
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: a sound beam or being like under attack by some

581
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: like invisible force that it turns out as like kind

582
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: of physically impossible to have happened.

583
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 2: But like they I know, I'm sorry to force a detour,

584
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: but they ever find a solution for that?

585
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: Was there any closure? It's not like officially, but you know,

586
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: you as documents have been released the CIA themselves and

587
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: and like the different departments, the Pentagon, like prior to

588
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: the Trump takeover, all seemed to be like, we don't

589
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: think there was any like physical basis for these attacks,

590
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: and these are our organizations that would seemingly love a

591
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: physical basis for an attack that they could, you know,

592
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: start getting funding around.

593
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,719
Speaker 2: Because I heard compelling explanations on both sides of it.

594
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 2: Like I first encountered it as something that was just

595
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 2: complete nonsense. It was like evil CIA people having like

596
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 2: maybe internalized guilt for the horrible things to right at work. Yeah,

597
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 2: but you know, but then I've also heard some stuff

598
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: that was really compelling on the other side, Like there's

599
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 2: I listened to it like a series where it interviewed

600
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: some people who had experienced it in a town. Isn't

601
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 2: really intense, but anyway, you could continue with your point.

602
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: I didn't. I think that that's true. I think that

603
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: they experienced harrowing things. I think I think the power

604
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: of the unconscious mind is like the great underrated force

605
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: of people's existence. And I think like ritual and you know,

606
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: all these things that we don't really make room for officially,

607
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: as like mattering in our world. In a lot of cases,

608
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: like are ways of accessing that. And I think I

609
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: just think that people are like, if it's their own

610
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: conscious mind, then it's like skeptic skeptic view not interesting.

611
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: And I think that's actually like really interesting, Like that's

612
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: kind of what's going on. But there are definitely parts

613
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: of the story that would make it like impossible for that.

614
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: Like there's one part where it predicts that they're they're

615
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: at like a high school movie screening on a football field,

616
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: and it is like it predicts that the projector is

617
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: about to go down and it does. Yeah, right, Yeah.

618
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: There's a ton of stuff like that.

619
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: And I mean also the fact that in that story

620
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: this occurred before this whole Zozo thing was like a

621
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: trend like a decade before.

622
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

623
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 2: And then the other thing is like the basis for

624
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: pooh pooing wig aboards as they say, it's like the

625
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: ideo motor effect. It's like this idea that like microscopic

626
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 2: muscle movements in a group can like guide the thing

627
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: the plan chet. But and that's you know, like the

628
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 2: idio motor effect is like a real thing. I'm pretty

629
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: sure it's been like proven to exist. But if you

630
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: look at the board like ZO, like Z is all

631
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: the way at the end, oh is not equally the

632
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 2: at the end on the opposite side, it's like one roller.

633
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 2: So I just think, like if you guys, if like

634
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 2: like I know, people explain it away by saying like, oh,

635
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 2: it's just sort of like in the downtime between you know,

636
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 2: the radio motor effect spelling out a word, people just

637
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: kind of like go to the side to side pattern

638
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 2: and hit that.

639
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just don't think it would hit z

640
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: O or ZA for that matter. Right, it's two specifics

641
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: things from each other. Yeah, it's too common. It's too

642
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: common out I would expect to see other patterns of

643
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: that sort. And that's sort of what I I kind

644
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: of come to those conclusions a lot on the show

645
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: where I'm very open to looking at it both ways,

646
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: but sort of like, well, I would expect to see more,

647
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: like I'm same with like the hat Man stuff right

648
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: down the hat Man stuff. The hat Man is this

649
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: very common shadow figure that people see oftentimes in sleep prolysis,

650
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: but people see it not during sleep parroalysis. It's just

651
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: the shadow shadow man that looks like he's wearing like

652
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: a wide brimmed and sometimes he has red eyes. There's

653
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: like another thing that I would have laughed at and

654
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: thought was corny until I realized like how common this is.

655
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: And it's like a localized thing because I mean I've

656
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: I seen it was all over the place, right, so,

657
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: and that's kind of what makes it sort of interesting.

658
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 3: It's not just like, well, these group of kids over

659
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 3: here SA when they're fucking around with ambient or something.

660
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 3: It's like, no, this is it.

661
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's that too, Yeah, the benda dryl thing.

662
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 2: But but yeah that. And then in sleep paralysis, there's

663
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: like a few common things people see. The other one

664
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: is like the old Hag, which is like this woman

665
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 2: sitting on you. And then this is sort of the

666
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: same thing, but like the Mayor the night This is

667
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 2: like the origin for the term nightmare. Is this thing

668
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: sitting on you and holding you down. But anyway, there's

669
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: like is it a horse? The mayor is a horse?

670
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 2: I think at one point it was like a horse. Yeah,

671
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: kind of like demon thing. I think that's what it

672
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 2: might have been.

673
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: Damn.

674
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's a really old term. But they're like

675
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: pretty much every culture has a similar thing to this,

676
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: and they're all similar looking, like seeing this old woman

677
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: on you or in the case of the hat man,

678
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 2: how widespread that is. So circling back to the unconscious talk,

679
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 2: if it was just like the human unconscious whatever that means,

680
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: by the way, right, generating this, you'd expect to see

681
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 2: a lot more variation, especially throughout time and culture. Like

682
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: I would be very, very surprised, you know, I just

683
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: said that the whole the origin of the term nightmare

684
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 2: comes from this phenomenon. You would expect going back that

685
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: far that like fears would change enough.

686
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: Why would we have like why wouldn't it be uh tesla?

687
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: You know, that's what we get around. We don't get

688
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: around in uh on horses anymore. We get around on

689
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 1: so like, wow, why would it still be a horse?

690
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: Why would it be a guy with a big hat

691
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: that like is not a style people wear anymore.

692
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 2: I would expect to see more like micro trends with it,

693
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:57,240
Speaker 2: if that makes sense.

694
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.

695
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and between cultures and stuff. So yeah, that's those

696
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 2: are the kind of things that interest me, you know.

697
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 2: And and those two things I did laugh off at first,

698
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 2: but then kind of reluctantly dug into them, like, oh,

699
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 2: this is pretty interesting actually and frightening. So I don't

700
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 2: really know what it is. It's funny that, I mean,

701
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 2: I think it's sort of a stupid name. I wanted

702
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 2: to think of another name for that episode besides Zaza,

703
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: Like it killed me to call it Zaza. But that's like,

704
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: I don't know, I think that's interesting though, when it's

705
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 2: a scary thing that like I'm you know, I'm I'm

706
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: normally somebody that would think it's completely stupid, but the

707
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 2: story is compelling enough that like pulls me to the

708
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 2: other side, right, And it's kind of a goofy sounding name,

709
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 2: but this is that I guess that makes it scarier

710
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 2: in a way. You're like, no, not Zaza physical well,

711
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 2: it is like something that like you would kind of

712
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: laugh at it first, you know, totally.

713
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's kind of like the experience

714
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 3: of listening to your show, Like I remember last time

715
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 3: You're on was kind of like I think you were

716
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 3: just getting in to like the Them series of episodes

717
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 3: and like I'm I'm I'm very skeptical, Like I'm I'm

718
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 3: one of those people who like even though like Japan

719
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 3: I'm Japanese, there's like very rich ghost like you know,

720
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 3: spooky culture there that I'm like, nah, I'm not, I'm

721
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 3: not seeing any of this stuff. But like in listening

722
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 3: to your show, because I mean, like I remember when

723
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 3: you're on Last Time, you're sort of like, I don't

724
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 3: necessarily believe in everything or at all. It's more just

725
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 3: like it's it's really interesting to hear these people describe

726
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 3: these events that have happened and them experience them. Yeah,

727
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 3: and Them one is by far one of the most

728
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 3: fucking out there things I've ever heard in my life.

729
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 3: If you like, give like a you know, like a

730
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 3: three line description of it so people kind of understand

731
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 3: what I'm about to, like get into here.

732
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 1: And real quick. Before you were, before we started recording,

733
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: you were had to answer a text message. I have

734
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 1: to assume it was from one of the interdimension them.

735
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you know, I will say interesting timing.

736
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 2: The girl from that series is visiting right now. She's

737
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 2: in town, so I met her in person. Yeah, so

738
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 2: by meetup man, you could look up. Yeah, maybe you'll

739
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 2: see her walking around in the neighborhood.

740
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean yeah, like sort of give a

741
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 3: light breakdown, because I think it's really interesting to listen

742
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 3: whether or not you believe in this stuff or skeptical,

743
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 3: I think it's the experience of listening to it for

744
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 3: me was very interesting.

745
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: I'm glad you liked it.

746
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 2: Basically, it's about this girl in Norway who is kind

747
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 2: of feeling off and basically one night while she's in college,

748
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 2: sees this strange looking like man in her room, almost

749
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 2: like a ghost but not quite. She's obviously freaked out,

750
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 2: has a lot of really strange physical sensations as well

751
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: around this time, and tries to power on with her life,

752
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 2: but is ultimately just kind of having anxiety about it

753
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: and tweaking as you would expect. So she calls her

754
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: her mom in hopes that her mom will calm her down,

755
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: tells her like, I saw this thing, like I'm feeling

756
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 2: all this stuff, blah blah blah. But instead of her

757
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 2: mom calming her down, she was like I was afraid

758
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 2: this was going to happen, and was like, they're talking

759
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 2: to you now.

760
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: She's like what, there we go. Yep.

761
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 2: But so she's like what And so her mom, you know,

762
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 2: tells her very briefly that she's been communicating with these

763
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 2: beings for like a long time and is essentially like,

764
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 2: come home to visit and we'll talk. And at that

765
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 2: point she finds out that the mom and a girl

766
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 2: from the mom's gym have been communicating with what they

767
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 2: think are interdimensional beings for a substantial amount of time

768
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: I forget how long. Yeah, And to make to make

769
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 2: it stranger, this girl from the gym is the same

770
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 2: age as soul Vi, and her and the mom have

771
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 2: like become very close to the point where there she

772
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: becomes like a third sister to them essentially.

773
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like kind of gangers or like they have

774
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: like a lot of between them.

775
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

776
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

777
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 2: So it's like and it gets weirder from there, right, ye.

778
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: But it's to me, it's all I always like that

779
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: like start to the story is what locked me in

780
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: early on, and especially meeting soul I I'm like, I

781
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: one hundred percent believe this girl.

782
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not even a question of belief. You know.

783
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 2: You meet her and talk to her just like she's

784
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 2: a very straightforward person, right this clearly happened to her

785
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 2: and she doesn't know what it is.

786
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 3: But that's the thing that like really fucked me up

787
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 3: about it now, because again I was like, I'm sure

788
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 3: there's got to be a way to explain all this,

789
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 3: But then I was trying to look deeper as to

790
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 3: what was pulling me in despite being so like logical,

791
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 3: when I like when I listen to things like this,

792
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 3: and there was something I think, because we live in

793
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 3: this like super dumbed down, like deeply disconnected world right now,

794
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 3: like our current like world, this modern world, we're completely

795
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 3: disconnected from like you know, the land, from each other,

796
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 3: like our history and things like that, that to hear

797
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 3: somebody describe these sort of paranormal phenomena or experiences in

798
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 3: a way like sort of calls to something like that,

799
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 3: there's something there's like there's a spirituality that we've lost

800
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 3: on some level as human beings that even if I

801
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 3: believe Soulvie are not hearing this person speak about these

802
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 3: things that can't be explained, that they don't understand, is

803
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 3: like pulling at something I think much deeper, like in

804
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 3: the human experience that we just completely lack now, like

805
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 3: especially because that's what colonialism does to most people, like completely,

806
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 3: it's those things are seen as like pagan or savage

807
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 3: or whatever.

808
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: And the ritual and spirituality out of things, and it's

809
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: just like, this is a materialist universe. Here are the

810
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: laws that explain it. We know everything, no more mystery,

811
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: right to work.

812
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 3: Exactly, And I think there's a yearning on some level

813
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 3: that it surely just can't be all of this just

814
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 3: tangible shit. It on some level, even if you're religious

815
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 3: or not that like, there is something that we feel

816
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 3: on a deeper level that we can't quite explain. And

817
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 3: I think that's why I really enjoy listening to the

818
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 3: show is because even then, even if I'm like, I

819
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 3: don't know if this actually happened, but the sensation of

820
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 3: hearing a person sort of sincerely describe a thing, whether

821
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 3: they're like very talented liars or just people who are

822
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 3: really being very sincere, there's just something that is undeniable

823
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 3: that I realize. I'm like, oh, man, like there's something

824
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 3: about it that is like I don't know, like healing,

825
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 3: or there's a yearning that I didn't understand, like I

826
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 3: had deep within me, which is like trying to find

827
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 3: sort of like these sort of threads to something like

828
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 3: that isn't just tangible and just explainable like everything else

829
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 3: has been.

830
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: In mind, I like, I really really like that reaction,

831
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 2: And that's actually kind of like what I hope the reaction.

832
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 2: I hope people have to the show, or was hoping

833
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: they would have. And I think it's why I like

834
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 2: this stuff, you know, where I wasn't super into it,

835
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 2: but I do think like when you hear some thing

836
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 2: like that, I find it comforting in a way, like

837
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 2: it kind of can make you feel small and like

838
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 2: remind you that, oh, yeah, we really don't know anything still, right,

839
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 2: and especially when like the world is crazy or your

840
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: life is crazy or anything. Just things feel out of

841
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 2: control so often in life, you know, I think there's

842
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 2: there's an odd comfort to h hearing the most extreme

843
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: version of that and being reminded like, oh yeah, like

844
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 2: not only is the world completely out of control, like

845
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 2: it's always been out of control, like we don't know anything,

846
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 2: we're just like kind of powerless, you know, And that's fine.

847
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: It's comforting knowing that there are these great, great mysteries

848
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: that maybe we'll understand one day. But it's okay to

849
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 2: not know because I mean, so I think I've served

850
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 2: my life being a skeptic, like a real skeptic on

851
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: supernatural things, and yet I wear specific hats or don't

852
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 2: wear specific hats based on what like how a basketball

853
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: team that I like has.

854
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: Performed, which is just I think to your point about powerlessness.

855
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 1: It's like that is the thing I am completely unable

856
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: to control, and so I like invent this stupid way

857
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 1: that I can control it and like believe it with

858
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: my body and not my mind. But like fully, like

859
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck, I did something wrong on the right.

860
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's what's interesting too, because I remember like

861
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 3: a lot of people to like shows like yours or

862
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 3: other shows dealing with like paranormal phenomenas, Like they're people

863
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 3: who so deeply want to just explain why it isn't

864
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 3: like and it's just like and it's an unequivocal no,

865
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 3: this is fucking nonsense, and like I get that sort

866
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 3: of desire. But I think that's why I like I.

867
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 3: That's what I found very interesting about listening to the episode.

868
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 3: It's not me necessarily trying to figure out like where

869
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 3: are the where are the holes in this story because like, sure,

870
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 3: I can be very analytical about those kinds of things,

871
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 3: but I think again, it's the idea of just that

872
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 3: there is something we just can't explain and it's and sure,

873
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 3: maybe it's manifesting these people saying like I'm experiencing X,

874
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 3: Y or Z, but like even knowing someone is experiencing that,

875
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 3: there's something like intoxicating about it too, And I think

876
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 3: maybe that could just be because I've been I'm such

877
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 3: a deep skeptic about stuff like this where I find

878
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 3: myself not having to be like does this confirm my

879
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 3: beliefs or does it completely blow them up? I'm like

880
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 3: finding this middle thing, which is like, no, man, like

881
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 3: there's something just much deeper, even if it's about like

882
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 3: it's not maybe necessarily interdimensional beings communicating, but we've shut

883
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 3: ourselves off to something that like I'm trying to figure

884
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 3: out how to reconnect to and not in like a

885
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 3: magical way, but just something that's a little bit more

886
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 3: outside of what is you know, sort of academically described.

887
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, absolutely, And I will say this, like, well,

888
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: first of all, as the host of the show and

889
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: somebody who wants people to just be able to like

890
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: listen and relax and like not being able to not

891
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 2: try to disprove everything. It is obviously frustrating, like that

892
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 2: type of person who's like wants to quickly disprove things.

893
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 2: But I will also say that, like a lot of

894
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 2: this stuff even if you don't like believe it all

895
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: the way, like a lot of times, like I don't

896
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 2: have a way to disprove it, and I try, right,

897
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 2: A lot of people are comfortable disproving something by just

898
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 2: like saying some bullshit and being okay with it not

899
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 2: being complete.

900
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: Right. A lot of the ways.

901
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 2: People disprove these things is just like throwing out some

902
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: fucking stupid shit they heard on Wikipedia or like a

903
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 2: podcast one time and just being like, oh, it's like

904
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 2: this effect, you know, yeah, like I heard about that

905
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: one time. It's like all right, And then if you really,

906
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 2: if you really apply it and like pick it through,

907
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense, Like it wouldn't hold up in court, right,

908
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 2: Like you couldn't if you actually had to disprove it,

909
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 2: like up to the standards of like a jury, you know,

910
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 2: that would not work. Often times, there's all sorts of

911
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 2: weird little things people toss around, like mold the person

912
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 2: had like black mold in their house. Maybe maybe it

913
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 2: was black mold in their house.

914
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 3: That's just like, right, there's the fact that even someone

915
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 3: is experiencing the world like that.

916
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: I think it's just very Yeah, I.

917
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 2: Would still be interested, but yeah, I mean there's things

918
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 2: like that that get tossed around as if we even

919
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 2: fully understand those and Jack not to I'm not picking

920
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 2: on you at all. I do this too, but like, uh,

921
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: I hear a lot about people saying like, oh, it's

922
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,439
Speaker 2: just their unconscious playing tricks on them. It's like, well, dude,

923
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: that's not even we don't even know what the unconscious

924
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 2: mind is yet or the limitations of it. So it's

925
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 2: like that doesn't really I'm not satisfied with that explanation ever.

926
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 2: That gets tossed around a lot. It's like, well, we

927
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 2: don't know the function, the complete functions of the unconscious mind,

928
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 2: how it exists. We don't know if it's completely internal.

929
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 2: There's people who think that it could be partly external. Yeah,

930
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 2: I think that it could come from somewhere else. That

931
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 2: opens things up, that opens the floodgates. Yeah, So it's

932
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 2: like young believe that there was like a shared just

933
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 2: that we like had access to that exactly.

934
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of my interest in it is

935
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: that it's so unknown and.

936
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 3: Which is just as magical the concept of shared unconscious

937
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 3: and then how then going about to sort of bring

938
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 3: all that to it.

939
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those things where like, uh, it's

940
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 2: sort of like the one oh one level is being

941
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 2: the Reddit atheist who just is like, oh, it's all fake.

942
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 2: But when you kind of like dig deeper, you kind

943
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 2: of like come out through the other side. At one

944
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 2: point you could kind of like keep digging through to

945
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,280
Speaker 2: the other side over and over again with this stuff,

946
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 2: which is interesting. But yeah, like unconscious stuff, I mean

947
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: even bringing it back to the Wuiji board, it's like

948
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 2: if it is everybody's unconscious, like they're the movement on

949
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 2: the plan chet kind of like reaching this flow state

950
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 2: like that is actually what spiritualists would say is the

951
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: key to unlocking it, right.

952
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:55,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

953
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 2: The people who create like basically popularize the weedge aboard

954
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 2: and like they don't actually the spiritualists don't use that anymore.

955
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 2: But like that era, that era of time is like

956
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: what birth this like the talking board. But yeah, those

957
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 2: people that believe at one hundred percent would say that

958
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 2: that is the key, like the group working together and

959
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 2: that shared exactly.

960
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:19,439
Speaker 1: I think it's so powerful and interesting. Yeah, it's it's cool.

961
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 2: I mean the longer you think about it, the more.

962
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: You scratch your head with this stuff. Yeah. Two of

963
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: the characters like predict using Luigi like predict the day,

964
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: the exact day that like when or the you know,

965
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: Zozo predicts the exact day that their boyfriends are both

966
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: going to break up with them, And I thought that

967
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 1: was funny, so wild.

968
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 2: I forgot this either way, it's so interesting. I forget

969
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 2: if it made it into the episode or not. But

970
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 2: when she told me that, I was like, do you

971
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 2: think there's a chance that you guys just broke up

972
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 2: with you because you were addicted to playing with.

973
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 1: The right We're so obsessed with it, But like that

974
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: is what I think. It's like a drug where you're

975
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: like connecting with this thing in a way it is

976
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: not available to you in any other way. So like

977
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,919
Speaker 1: what whether it's something outside or inside, I think it's

978
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: you know, powerful and interesting. I'm way more powerful than

979
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: anybody is anyone who's doing it, like being like it's

980
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: just their unconscious mind making playing tricks. On them that yeah,

981
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: it's not dismissive like that actually makes it more interesting

982
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: to me, I think.

983
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, But with the Them series, people want clean answers.

984
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 2: There's a certain type of person that would want like

985
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 2: a clear answer to that, and they go looking for it.

986
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 2: I wanted to disprove that one I'm not disproven. I

987
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,240
Speaker 2: thought I was going to that confident I would find something.

988
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 2: I would like turn over enough stones that I would

989
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 2: find clue, right like, but I have not really even

990
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: formed a theory in my mind that like a hypothetical

991
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 2: way to disprove it all. I'm just kind of lost,

992
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 2: which is so spooky to me. And uh, yeah, I

993
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 2: don't know, that's what I mean, say, with the people

994
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 2: in it, they don't really know what it is.

995
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 3: Whether I think that's why I like even just like

996
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 3: I would have when I was listening to them, like

997
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 3: I can't wait to hear what the answer is. But

998
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 3: then again, as again, like the sensation of listening to

999
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 3: it isn't necessarily that I'm thinking of it, like logically,

1000
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 3: it's more I'm I think it's because because I'm skeptical

1001
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 3: that part of that, like there's a certain cynicism that

1002
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 3: comes along with that, not that it's like bad or anything,

1003
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 3: but this helped thaw that a bit and was just

1004
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 3: maybe it's just for pure entertainment or pleasure that I

1005
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 3: could just go, well, we don't know everything, and that's

1006
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 3: interesting and I like it and I'll keep it there.

1007
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 3: It's not I'm not going up calling my mom and

1008
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 3: be like, yo, mom, we got to get right with

1009
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 3: these interdimensional beings. I don't know if you hear the

1010
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 3: clicking sounds I'm making with my mouth, And I think that.

1011
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: Sort of uncanny thing you're talking about of like the

1012
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: experience of listening to the show is like the we

1013
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: used to only learn and pass information on via the

1014
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 1: oral tradition, and like that is learning like hearing things

1015
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 1: as people experience them through their experience, and like that's

1016
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: what I think is so powerful about the show is

1017
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: that like it's reconnecting you with like that way of

1018
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: experiencing these things that you know, we we were just like, yeah,

1019
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: but written tradition better, and it's like, no, you're cutting

1020
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: out a whole, very compelling way of learning about human experience.

1021
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think like to kind of close out

1022
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 2: the whole skepticism thing, you know, people who believe that

1023
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 2: there is explanations for everything. It's just we simply don't.

1024
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 2: I would be I would love to know if we

1025
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 2: did have an explanation, Like, let's just say for ghosts.

1026
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 2: Like people, there are people who legitimately believe that, like

1027
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:49,439
Speaker 2: ghosts have been disproved and like like whether it's infrasound

1028
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 2: or you know, mold poisoning or something. There are people

1029
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 2: who think that's like case closed, this is what it is.

1030
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 2: It's just simply not the case. And what I always

1031
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 2: say in terms of that is like, if there really

1032
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 2: was some way to make a person see a ghost,

1033
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 2: I would love to know. I would love to patent that.

1034
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 2: Should you imagine the haunted house you could do? Can

1035
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 2: you imagine the bag from the Universal Studios contract? If

1036
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: I figured out, like there's a sound frequency I could

1037
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 2: play to like vibrate somebody's brain in a way that

1038
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 2: they see a ghost. All right, I'm patenting that you

1039
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: won't you won't have the podcast again, bro, I'll be James.

1040
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: Raytheon would be knocking at your door before Universal Studio. Absolutely, yeah,

1041
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break, we'll come back. We'll be

1042
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: right back. Sure, and we're back, We're and real quick,

1043
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: it is the week of Halloween. I am just curious

1044
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 1: that's somebody who you know, you've connected with all these Oh,

1045
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: by the way, we were talking about stupid names. I

1046
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: did just want to say pazuzu, which is like an

1047
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 1: ancient It sounds like a gen Z slang for possessed.

1048
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: It sounds like a gen Z person being like I

1049
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: got pazzuz Yeah.

1050
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's like people think that is always like

1051
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 2: maybe that means yeah.

1052
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, or like close to the movie BJ's Brewer, like, hey,

1053
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 3: have you guys had our PiZZ before for dessert?

1054
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: It's called a pazzuki in the day. But I do

1055
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 1: feel like Halloween is a time when us culture, like

1056
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:36,280
Speaker 1: this version of the zeitgeist, gets to devote energy toward

1057
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 1: living with that like different very you know, allowing those

1058
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: energies to kind of come out a little bit. And yeah,

1059
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: I feel like there's the skeptical thing that's like there's

1060
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: just a chance to get drunk or dress up or whatever.

1061
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: But like, first of all, just connecting with the unconscious

1062
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: through mask play is like a very interesting form of therapy,

1063
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: and you know a thing that I think there are

1064
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: interesting ways to take that what the skeptical people are

1065
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 1: talking about and be like that that's actually really interesting

1066
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,959
Speaker 1: that just by wearing a mask, you like change how

1067
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: you experienced reality in such a way that you like

1068
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 1: almost become a different person. But I'm just curious as

1069
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:23,439
Speaker 1: somebody who has experienced all these stories and like done

1070
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: all this reporting, Like what are your thoughts on Halloween? Like,

1071
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: on do you think there are any icons of Halloween

1072
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 1: they are like particularly like powerful sort of pop cultural

1073
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: wore cruxes, you know what I mean, Like.

1074
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:45,439
Speaker 2: Uhh, I mean no, Personally, I mean like I am

1075
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 2: just kind of like I think it's just because my work,

1076
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 2: so I'm so desensitized, you know. I think it's like

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00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,720
Speaker 2: the way doctors like don't get freaked out by blood

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00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 2: at a certain point or bodies or you know, when

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00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 2: you like don't want to get naked in front of

1080
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,919
Speaker 2: your doctor for a physical and your friends like, oh,

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00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 2: it's just skinned to them, Like they don't they even

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00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 2: like see you as naked. They don't give a fuck.

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00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 2: Like I think like I've developed that kind of like

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Speaker 2: callousness towards this material, like it doesn't scare me anymore.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not trying to sound like a badass or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But like, so, what do you do like Halloween?

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00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 2: You just be just being like, hey, none of this matters.

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00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 2: I know I should probably this is like not a

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00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 2: fun answer. I should have just lied and uh told

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Speaker 2: you that I'm the biggest Halloween fan or whatever. But no,

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00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 2: it's become you know, it's interesting. I love Halloween. I

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00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,439
Speaker 2: always have loved Halloween, but now I'm during this month,

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00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 2: I'm so focused on like making the episodes the best

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00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 2: they can that like, I don't have a costume, Like

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00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 2: I don't really have any major plans. This is my

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00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 2: busy month now. Yeah, I will go on as you

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00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:48,760
Speaker 2: for Halloween.

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Speaker 1: You're an icon of oh cult ship.

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Speaker 2: Boring costume though or in costume, But I will say, uh,

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Speaker 2: in terms of iconography, I mean the Wija board scares me. Yeah,

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00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 2: I think that's like a weird thing. I I and

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00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 2: a lot you know people put it. You know, there's

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00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 2: like horror fans who like put them on their wall

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00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 2: or whatever like that kind of freak. I wouldn't do that.

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00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even keep one in my house. I'm just

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00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 2: gonna be honest with you. That type of stuff. I

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00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 2: just like wouldn't do it. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Wait, what's a list of things you wouldn't you wouldn't

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Speaker 3: keep in your house based on everything you've encountered. Now,

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Speaker 3: so ouiji board, don't bring that, not don't leave that here?

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00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 3: Are good though, right, that's just a Hasbro toy.

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Speaker 1: That's fine. Most of the answers are nonsense.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, like I think, I think everybody's different.

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00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 2: I'll just say that everybody's different, and like if something

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00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 2: freaks you out or freaks me out or unsettles me,

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00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 2: like I wouldn't keep it in my house, if that

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00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 2: makes sense. Like some I host the show, so I

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00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 2: I'm given stuff, I get stuff. There's like there's things

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00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 2: that just kind of like unsettle me. Like I I

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00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 2: think I was like designing merch or something. So I

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00:57:56,120 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 2: went to one of those like brew Harria stores or

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00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 2: whatever that you see in La where it's like they

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00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 2: sell all the witchcraft stuff and they sell like weird

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00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 2: Jesus statues and like dragons, and you could.

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Speaker 1: Buy like a love spell.

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00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 2: I remember buying like all the weird like love spells

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00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 2: or like the colone that you spray and can make

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Speaker 2: you rich. There are a couple of those that kind

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00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 2: of like freaked me out, just like the vibes, So

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Speaker 2: I think.

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00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: I got rid of that a little too powerful. I

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00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: feel like.

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00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 2: That's sort of my guidelines, is like if it's something

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00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 2: that's you know, I look at it as more like

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00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 2: personal but objectively. I don't know if there's like any

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00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 2: objective things that I think.

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00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: No, I mean that they're bad. Yeah.

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00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 3: I think that's what's so interesting about like the paranormal

1139
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 3: is that it it speaks to everyone differently, Like whereas

1140
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 3: like any ghosts right here, I'm like, yeah, whatever, and

1141
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 3: then someone's like inter dimensional being how I'm like, uh huh.

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00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah.

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00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 2: I think intentions matter a lot. I know my answer

1144
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 2: kind of sounds like a cop out or some shit.

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00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 2: I'm just like making up off the fly. But I

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00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 2: think intentions do matter, just based on like what I

1147
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 2: hear on the show. I think like your own like

1148
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 2: vibes for backup lack of a better word, have like

1149
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 2: a big play on things, you know, So if it's

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00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 2: if it's impacting you, it might impact your home, you know,

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00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 2: and vice versa. Yeah, and like people, there's there's too

1152
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 2: long of a story. But somebody I know had a

1153
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 2: cursed family ring, like multi generational curse, and like things

1154
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 2: were happening related to the ring. It was an engagement

1155
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 2: ring that made them think it was still cursed. And

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00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 2: she came to me asking like, hey, do anybody that

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00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 2: could uncurse the ring? And I was like, no, I

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00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 2: do not, I do not know.

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00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Who are headed to Mount Doom right now? Yeah?

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00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly, yeah, give them, give them some some

1161
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 2: bread and cheese and they could take it, take it

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00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 2: along with them, two for one.

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00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: But this was a friend.

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00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 2: Her name's Rosie by the way, she's been on the show.

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00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean when somebody she was serious and I

1166
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 2: wanted to give a serious answer, and I didn't have

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01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 2: an answer for her. But what I actually believed in

1168
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 2: when I told her was I was like, you know,

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01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 2: obviously your research around and find somebody to do this,

1170
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 2: but you should go with like whatever you think would

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01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 2: uncurse it, right, Like, if you think that's a Catholic priest,

1172
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 2: you should go to a Catholic priest. If you think

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01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 2: it's going to be some spooky which lady in the valley,

1174
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 2: go there, right if you want a vale Yeah, like

1175
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 2: a monk whatever, if you think you should sage it,

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01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 2: do that, Like I think whatever you believe the most

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Speaker 2: you know, right right right, That's.

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Speaker 1: The most powerful is like your own intent.

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01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're if you're going into it thinking like

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01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 2: this is not going to work. I think it's not

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01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 2: gonna work.

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01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: See Jack, that's why you wear the Sixers hat man.

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01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: That's right, and it works every time. That's why they're

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01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: so good. Jack Wagner, is such a pleasure having you.

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01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on at this spookiest time of

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01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: year when you're working on making the show, making amazing

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01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: episodes of the shows. Where can people find you and

1188
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: follow you?

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01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 2: Other World is the name of the show. We are

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01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 2: available anywhere you get your podcast. I suppose recently started

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01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 2: uploading episodes to YouTube finally, So actually, if you are

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01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 2: listening right now, would actually be very helpful if you

1193
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 2: went and subscribed to the YouTube, which I think is

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01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 2: called Other World Pod on YouTube. But just find it.

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01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 2: We've had a cool visualizer made for it, so dope.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, that's where you can find me.

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Speaker 1: Their work of media that you've been able to come

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01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: up with, that you've been enjoying. Oh fuck, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if I have a good answer for this. Is

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Speaker 1: there a horror movie that you enjoy particularly?

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01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 2: I haven't seen a good one this year. I've I'm

1202
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 2: so lacking in movies. The last TV show I watched

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01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 2: was The Pit.

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Speaker 1: Do you guys watch that? Yeah? Yeah, great TV? Yeah,

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01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: wullet Proof. I uh we started watching it, but uh

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Speaker 1: my wife is a physician, and it was just like, no,

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01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: just work for her. Yeah, she's just like this is

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01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: like this, I might have to go back and watch er. Yeah,

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01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 1: I've never seen it. Yeah, that's that's what I've heard

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01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:12,439
Speaker 1: that people like who completed were just like I need

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Speaker 1: more of this and went back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't. That can be my recommendation. I can't

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Speaker 2: recommend an any winning show everybody.

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Speaker 1: That's fine. What else?

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Speaker 2: What do people normally recommend that it's we've had The

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01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 2: Pit recommended before.

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01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, people just say like what they're literally watching right now,

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01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 3: even if it's not interesting, just kind of giving people

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01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 3: a glimpse into like whatever media they're consuming right now.

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01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: But again, totally up to you.

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Speaker 2: I'm consuming, dude, the show consumes me sadly. So I'm

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01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 2: gonna plug my own show all the world, and I'll

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01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 2: plug your show. Yeah, people out there and the Dodgers

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01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 2: and the Dodgers, how about them? Miles Where can people

1225
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 2: find you as their working media you've been enjoying?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, find me everywhere at miles of Gray. Catch me

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01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 3: talking about I need a fan on four to twenty

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Speaker 3: day Fiance cashm rooting for the Dodgers, just within earshot.

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01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 1: Of Dodger Stadium, screaming like a fucking demon.

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Speaker 3: And let's see a post I like actually from blue

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Speaker 3: Sky at Internet, hippot at skuy at social posted They're

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Speaker 3: going to change the clocks this weekend and the president

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Speaker 3: is powerless to stop it because he's weak and a loser.

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Speaker 1: That's what they're saying, sir, that is a Blue Sky post.

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Speaker 1: I've ever heard one. Let's see I like to tweet

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Speaker 1: from Eli Crumbendahl, who tweeted, Unfortunately, my nervous system can't

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Speaker 1: tell the difference between needing to answer some emails and

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Speaker 1: being wanted for murder. That is how I experienced my life.

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Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at jack underscorel Brian

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Speaker 1: jack ob One on blue Sky. You can find us

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Speaker 1: on Twitter and blue Sky at Daily zeikeistre ad The

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Speaker 1: Daily Zeikeist on Instagram. You can go to the description

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Speaker 1: of this episode wherever you're listening to it, and they're

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Speaker 1: at the bottom, you will find the footnote foot there's

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Speaker 1: where we link off to the information that we talked

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Speaker 1: about in today's episode. We also link off to a

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Speaker 1: song that we think you might enjoy, because is there

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Speaker 1: a song that you think that people might enjoy? Yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: just more.

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Speaker 3: Look, I'm playing Ghost of Yote and my favorite thing

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Speaker 3: right now to dud just instrumental hip hop. I play

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Speaker 3: on my spot built in Spotify, So I changed the

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Speaker 3: soundtrack so it's kind of like Samurai Champlou.

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Speaker 1: But I've been listening to the mad.

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Speaker 3: Lib Blue Note record album that he did Shades of

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Speaker 3: Blue mad Lib Invades Blue Note h and I just

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Speaker 3: want to go out on a track just a mad

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Speaker 3: Lib is like one of the best sample based producers

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Speaker 3: out there.

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Speaker 1: This one's called Distant Land by mad Lib. All right,

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Speaker 1: we will link off to that in the footnote. For

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Speaker 1: Daily is the production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from

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Speaker 1: My Heart Radio, visit Yeah Heart Radio ap Apple podcast.

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Speaker 1: Wherever you listen to your favorite shows, that's going to

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Speaker 1: do it for us. This morning, we're back this afternoon

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Speaker 1: to tell you what is trending, and we will talk

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Speaker 1: to you all then, Bye bye.

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Speaker 3: The Daily Zeit Guys is executive produced by Catherine Long,

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Speaker 3: co produced by Bay Wang.

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