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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast, a weekly

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Speaker 1: of ourselves. I'm your host, Dr Joy hard and Bradford,

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Speaker 1: a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia. For more information or

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Speaker 1: licensed mental health professional. Hey, y'all, thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: joining me for session of the Therapy for Black Girls podcast. Today,

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Speaker 1: I'm joined by Elisa bo Keen to learn more about

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Speaker 1: our chakras and how they're related to our mental health.

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Speaker 1: Is one particular chakra more responsible for something like anxiety? Yes,

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Speaker 1: so that would probably be the root, right, The root

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Speaker 1: would be because you know you're feeling anxious about your survival,

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Speaker 1: with Eliza. Elisa is a licensed psychotherapist and sex therapists

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Speaker 1: in Houston, Texas. She's also the owner and founder of

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Speaker 1: the Flowing Ease Healing Center and co founder of Melanin

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Speaker 1: and Mental Health. She specializes in helping women heal from trauma, shame,

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Speaker 1: and low self esteem in order to have healthier, mutually satisfying,

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Speaker 1: pleasure field lives. Elisa and I talked about what chakras are,

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Speaker 1: what this means, how our chakras can impact what our

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Speaker 1: shared all of her favorite resources for anyone who wants

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Speaker 1: Here's our conversation. Thank you so much for joining us today, Alsa,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. Yeah, I'm very excited for

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Speaker 1: you to chat with us in our conversations. Before I

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Speaker 1: like a chakras for beginners kind of class. So can

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Speaker 1: you start by just telling us what our chakras? Yes, So,

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Speaker 1: there are seven major chakras that make up our energy system,

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Speaker 1: So there are different points throughout our body that sort

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Speaker 1: And then we're going to move up to the brow,

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Speaker 1: which is associated with the color indigo. The brow is

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Speaker 1: really the storehouse for intuition, for insight, for wisdom, kind

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Speaker 1: what is the origin for this? And can you tell

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Speaker 1: It's believe the word chakra in itself, which it's pronounced chakra,

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Speaker 1: of understanding the chakra system and how that shows up

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00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: in our sex lives. And so an example might be,

429
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:37,719
Speaker 1: let's say you you struggle enjoin sex because of shame,

430
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: because of trauma, or just because of a lack of

431
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: education around it. And so could that be that your

432
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: solar chakra there was there was something that happened in

433
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: the development or at some point that impacted the energy

434
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: to flow throughout your body, and now your your solar

435
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 1: chakra maybe underactive. So really being able to kind of

436
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: be in tune with your chakras and then look at

437
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: the relationship, look at the aspect like maybe you're really jealous.

438
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: I know that's nobody listening. I know that's none of

439
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: your listener or or or are very controlling, right Like,

440
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: that's not that's nobody that we know. But there's people

441
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: out there like that who are maybe very controlling, And

442
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 1: so could that be because your solar is overactive? Right Like?

443
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: So it's really kind of this additional sort of measure

444
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: that you can be aware of your system and how

445
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: that might be impacting your sex life, how that might

446
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: be impacting your relationships and how you show up in

447
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: those relationships. Is there a point then where you like, Okay,

448
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: I'm aware of like by Chakras and what I have

449
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: going on, and then you start doing that for other

450
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: people like so that you are then choosing partners based

451
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: on kind of like what you're reading from them. M yes, yes,

452
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 1: it's so funny because I think it's sort of like

453
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: like as therapist. I don't know about you, but when

454
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 1: I was taking my class, I was diagnosing every day,

455
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: Oh this is my aunt, Like I know she's got

456
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: this going on, right Like, I'm diag So you can't

457
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: help but be more aware. But you know, there's actually

458
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: another ancient practice contra it's really sort of based on

459
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: this idea of how our energy systems connect and how

460
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: the chakras kind of do play off one another, because

461
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 1: we all know when you spend a lot of time

462
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: with somebody, and especially if it's your significant other, your

463
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: romantic partner, and especially during sex, like you know that

464
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: you are really combining and blending your whole life, not

465
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: just your whole life, but your energy systems also. I mean,

466
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: we know what it's like to be around somebody who

467
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: you know brings us joy or or really brings us down,

468
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: and so you begin to become more aware. I drive

469
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: my family, you know, like I'm like, oh, yeah, energy

470
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: is off today. And you know what though, I think

471
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: what it does also is that you learn how to

472
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: protect your energy. If you are in the helping field,

473
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: or if you are just in any field where there

474
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: you deal with people all day long, if you're just

475
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: human and you go out into the world, you know

476
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: that different interactions with people can have an impact on

477
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: on your mood, on your spirit, and so learning, especially

478
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: when you're in a field like you are a therapist,

479
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: or you're a nurse or doctor, whatever, a teacher, people

480
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: are draining, you know, like the profession people are taking

481
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: from you. And if you don't learn how to protect

482
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: your energy and not take on other people's energy. In

483
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: the therapy world, you know, we're we're like, okay, countertransference

484
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: and transparence, right, same thing. You also have to be

485
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: aware of am I taking on your sadness? Am I

486
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: taking on your anxiety? So really sort of learning how

487
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: to protect yourself and how to be aware of um

488
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: when you're being sucked in. There's another great book by

489
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: a physician. I forget her name, but the book is

490
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: called Energy Vampires, and that's the author of this one.

491
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: Energy Vampires. She's a physician and she's talking about how

492
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: she would have people come in and there was no

493
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: real sort of clinical reason why they were sick, and

494
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: she's like, and the more that I did my research,

495
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: it was the people in their lives that were literally

496
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: sucking the life out of that. So she talks a

497
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: lot about how to know when you have energy vampires.

498
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: We all know that one person that like, oh my godness,

499
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: like they always in a bad mood or they're always

500
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: you know, just upset about something and you just feel

501
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: kind of just limp after the interaction with them. So

502
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: it's really kind of like this idea of energy hygiene also,

503
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: you know, and are we sometimes the energy vampires to

504
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: people in our lives? Are we looking to others to

505
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: kind of like get what we need and versus us

506
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: doing our own work, we want to kind of get

507
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: it through them? Yeah, So what kinds of things might

508
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: you do with your clients to help them to recognize this? Like,

509
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: let's say they recognize there is an energy vampire in

510
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: their life, Like, what kinds of things might you work

511
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: with them on to to be able to better manage that.

512
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: So one of the you know, the psycho education piece

513
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: would be around boundaries, right, like, so what healthy boundaries

514
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: look like and sort of exploring their history on why

515
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: boundaries may even be an issue recognizing them. But the

516
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: other part, a big part of the work that I

517
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: like to do with clients is really bringing them awareness

518
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: to what's point on with them physically, right, because I

519
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: think too often we are not even aware because we're

520
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: sort of on autopilot. We're not even aware sometimes when

521
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: our body is giving us clues. Right, So maybe you're

522
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: in a conversation with somebody and you just start feeling tense,

523
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: like are your shoulders tightening up, is your stomach maybe

524
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: starting to to turn, Like pay attention to what your

525
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: body is saying. I sort of before I even start

526
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: my day, I share with them that before I start

527
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: my day, I try to be real intentional about it,

528
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: and so I sort of have this visualization where I

529
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: go through where I'm sort of envisioning you know, kind

530
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: of clearing my energy out, getting rooted, really just even

531
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: envisioning roots coming out the bottom of my feet so

532
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: that I really feel like I'm being supported, and then

533
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: having sort of like this visualization of like a beautiful

534
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,479
Speaker 1: goal and light around me, like that's my protection throughout

535
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: the day to where I can still be open to

536
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: connecting with people, but I'm not taking on their stuff.

537
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: So I might offer them, you know, some of those

538
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: visualizations and to really just monitor themselves, like kind of

539
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: notice how you're feeling in those conversations and when you

540
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: start to feel like, oh, I don't like how this feels,

541
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: like even in vision, like okay, I had I once

542
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: had someone say I'm not a big Star Trek follower,

543
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: but I guess there's in Star Trek that would say

544
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: shield go up or something like that. And so they're

545
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna say shield go up. I'm like, I

546
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: love it. Yes. So it's really like this ongoing monitoring

547
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: of yourself and sometimes being able to just say this

548
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: is the max that I can do here, I gotta

549
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: go Yeah. So what does this look like in therapy?

550
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: A Lisa, You know, you mentioned that like the first

551
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: session would be like two hours, Like what does the

552
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: ongoing process is of this look like, you know, when

553
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: you're like doing a combination of the chakra work and therapy.

554
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: So the first piece is just traditional psychotherapy, just to

555
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: talk therapy. So let's say you're already the ongoing um,

556
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: So the first hour is we're just what's been going

557
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: on the traditional psychotherapy piece. The goal is kind of

558
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: like let's get those emotions kind of bubbling and then

559
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: once they're they're they're present, then that's the last half

560
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: hour would be when we do the healing piece. And

561
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: so at the end I would say, okay, well this

562
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: is what I felt, you know, um, you know, your

563
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: root was light or everything felt really balanced, or once

564
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: we got to the end, so then I would kind

565
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: of tell you what it is that I felt in

566
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,439
Speaker 1: the energy system, in your chakra system, you can then

567
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: give me any feedback that you had at that point.

568
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: You know, different people have different experiences. For some, um,

569
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 1: it could just be very relaxing. For some, they might

570
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 1: feel like I just feel like crying. I don't know why.

571
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: And sometimes that's just the release, right like sometimes you

572
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: just I don't know about you, but after I have

573
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: a good cry, really good um. And and then for

574
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: some they might feel like a real sort of that

575
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: was like I feel so energized now. So it's really

576
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: it really depends on the individual what type of experience

577
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: they might have. So is this a one time thing.

578
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: It can be for some people. For some people, it

579
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: can be a one time thing. For some people, UM,

580
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: it might be sort of like therapy is kind of

581
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: like an ongoing thing. I know when I was doing

582
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: you know, I'll speak for myself. When I was doing this,

583
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: it was at this point in my life, but there

584
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: was all these changes going on, and for me, I

585
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, this is my therapy, right, so I'm

586
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: having my therapy and my healing is at the end.

587
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: And so it was something that I was doing regularly,

588
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: you know, like twice a month, and then like now

589
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: I'll go in like oh, yeah, I might see her

590
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: once a month or so. Okay. So for people who

591
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: are listening and think like, oh, I think I would

592
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: like to try something like this, what kind of practitioner

593
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: would you be looking for? Because this also sounds like

594
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: the kind of thing where you would want to make

595
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: sure that somebody has done like the proper training, you know,

596
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. So what kinds of like credentials

597
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: and you know, what kinds of things should people be

598
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: looking for? Yeah, so it really you know, I'm excited

599
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: about more people learning how to integrate the two. There

600
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 1: is a Association of Energy Psychology is one place where

601
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: you can find practitioners who who sort of combined energy

602
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: psychology and traditional sort of psychotherapy. But depending on where

603
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 1: you live, you may not have the luxury of having

604
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: practitioners to do both. So for some people that maybe

605
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: that they go do a reiki feeling or a chakra feeling,

606
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: what I would find out is this, like with your therapists,

607
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: call them up, ask them where they got their training,

608
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: what was the program, like, you know, what type of

609
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: personal work did they have to do? Who were they

610
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 1: trained through? So you might have to do your due

611
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: diligence as far as really just calling them and asking them,

612
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: you know, all of uh the work that they had

613
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: to do in order to become you know, is it

614
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: a certified raiki healer or what happened? Like I said,

615
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: I don't do reiki, but I think for a lot

616
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: of people, that's the closest thing to it or chakra healers.

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00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 1: If you are in Texas right like, because that's where

618
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: I'm at. Um the Institute for Integrated Healing is where

619
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 1: I got my training at and it's growing. I'm really

620
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: excited about this next batch of people that are going

621
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 1: into the school because more and more women of color

622
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: are going into this field, which I'm so excited about

623
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: their going into learning how to do this. So my

624
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: vision and my dream is that this will spread, you know,

625
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 1: throughout But for right now, there may be some limitations

626
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: depending on where you live. But they can contact me

627
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: and I will do my best to try and connect

628
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: them and you know, give them any feedback that I can. Okay,

629
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: so you've already given us two incredible books. Are there

630
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: other resources that you would suggest for people who want

631
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: to know more about this? Like that may be good

632
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: for maybe beginning people. So that book especially The Seven

633
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: Healing Chakras is a great place to start. Like I said,

634
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: what I love about that is because it does have

635
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: a workbook that you can kind of go through your

636
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: own history and learn. Again. The Association for Energy Psychology

637
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: is also a great place. There's so many different resources,

638
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: but I would say it can get a little overwhelming,

639
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: and a lot of times there's a little bit of

640
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: variation in how people teach some of this that. Um,

641
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: I would say, start there. It's so funny. Once you

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Speaker 1: Like I said, what I what I really appreciate about

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Speaker 1: it sounds very interesting. So where can people find you online?

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Speaker 1: And Lisa, what's your website as well as any social

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Speaker 1: media handles you want to share? Yes? Oh and one

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Speaker 1: so great if you go on Amazon. It's called Chakra Healing,

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Speaker 1: A Beginner's Guide to self Healing Techniques that balance the chakras.

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Speaker 1: And that one is like really sort of intro yoga

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Speaker 1: one's also a really great one to start with. So

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Speaker 1: how they can find me, you can find me. I've

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Speaker 1: recently rebranded, and that was what this year was about,

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Speaker 1: being able to come out of the chakra closet, is

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Speaker 1: what I'm telling people. So what are you kind of

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Speaker 1: like hiding this before? Like it? Because I feel like

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Speaker 1: I remember you talking about this a little bit maybe,

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Speaker 1: it's it's very sort of traditional sort of psychotherapy, and

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Speaker 1: so there's any time you're gonna make a change. You're

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Speaker 1: kind of like vulnerable. I mean, just being on here

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Speaker 1: with you today, I'm like, I'm so excited and do

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Speaker 1: it scared right right? Yes, doing it scared. So this

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Speaker 1: year I've introduced I've rebranded and so it is now

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Speaker 1: the Flow and Ease Healing Center. Because my vision, Dr Joy,

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Speaker 1: I will tell you my vision. I tell everybody I know,

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Speaker 1: because this is what I'm trying to manifest, is to

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Speaker 1: have a healing center by the ocean, overlooking the ocean,

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Speaker 1: where there's all types of modalities of healing, including the

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Speaker 1: talk therapy, the chakra healing at your puncture, you know, yoga.

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Speaker 1: That's my vision. It sounds like a glorious please. You're

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Speaker 1: I P. I appreciate it. Yes, And so with that

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Speaker 1: vision in mind, the Flow these Healing Center. And if

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Speaker 1: Healing Center dot com. Yes, yes, you can also find

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Speaker 1: in this transition, trying to flow with these you are

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Speaker 1: living out your work. Yes, I'm trying. I'm trying. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much at Lisa. I really appreciate you sharing

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Speaker 1: this with us today. Oh, I appreciate you. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: your using your platform for this. I appreciate you giving

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Speaker 1: me the opportunity, and I had a great time chatting

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Speaker 1: with you. Thank you. I'm so thankful Elisa was able

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Speaker 1: to share her expertise with us today. To find out

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