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Speaker 1: Lokata Radio is a radiophonic novella.

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Speaker 2: Which is just a very extra way of saying a podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm Viosa m and I am Mala.

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Speaker 1: Munios Lokatra Radio is your Brima's favorite podcast hosted by

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Speaker 1: us Mala and Viosa.

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Speaker 2: We're two ig friends turned podcast partners, breaking down pop culture, feminism,

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Speaker 2: sexual wellness, and offering fresh takes on trending topics through

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Speaker 2: nuanced interviews with up and coming LATINX creatives.

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Speaker 1: Known as Las Lokatas, Las Mammis of Mitin Bullshit and

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Speaker 1: Las Porcasters Prosas. We were podcasting independently since twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: but joined iHeartMedia's Microtura network in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: This year, we're continuing to share stories from the LATINX community.

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Speaker 2: Partodo el Mundo, Welcome to season eight. Are you are

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Speaker 1: O La la Loka Motes, Welcome to season eight of

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Speaker 1: Loka Tora Radio. I'm Viosa and I'm Mala. You're tuning

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Speaker 1: in to Capitolos one sixty three and.

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Speaker 2: This is the very first episode of Loka toa Radio

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Speaker 2: Season eight.

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Speaker 1: Today we're catching up with all of you listening and

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Speaker 1: welcome you to a brand new season.

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Speaker 2: And with the new season, of course, as you know,

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Speaker 2: comes a new theme.

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Speaker 1: If you haven't watched the full skit yet, head over

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Speaker 1: to at Loka Dora Underscore Radio on all socials to

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Speaker 1: watch the full clip. You know that we love a theme.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this was such a fun skit, video promo everything. Yes,

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Speaker 2: this is all about having a podcast and the way

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Speaker 2: that we're bringing light and love into your lives when

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Speaker 2: you listen to us. And we, of course were inspired

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Speaker 2: by a skit from the Share Show called I'm a Woman.

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Speaker 2: If you haven't seen the original, look it up. It's fabulous.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we just loved the glamour, the aesthetic, the

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Speaker 1: wit of Share and Raquel Welch. So we were very

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Speaker 1: much inspired by the glamour the song. It's like kind

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Speaker 1: Are you listening?

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was so fun. We rewrote the lyrics and

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Speaker 2: S T. And we went to the best singer. We

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Speaker 1: Imagine we become pop stars. Girl, I'm just kidding.

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Speaker 2: Crazier things have happened. I'm saying true. I'm saying, don't

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Speaker 1: Mala would one percent make us go on tour with

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Speaker 2: It's enough. There's other one hit wonders have made like

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Speaker 1: I feel like now we've very much set ourselves up

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Speaker 2: and spiritual enlightenment. We use humor and irreverent wit to

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Speaker 2: expose the forces of bigotry, complacency, and guilt that chain

432
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Speaker 2: the human spirit. What I love about this order of Nuns,

433
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Speaker 2: which is how they describe themselves, and you have more

434
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 2: backstory on their connection to nuns Catholic nuns when they

435
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 2: first founded back in the day in the seventies. What

436
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 2: I love is that they employ humor and humor. Comedy

437
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 2: at its core is supposed to be about punching up

438
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 2: and making fun of the elite, those in power, and

439
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 2: so they're doing it from within and I think what

440
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 2: we're not acknowledging and what makes Catholics uncomfortable is there

441
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 2: is a place to make fun of Catholicism because Catholicism

442
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 2: that is punching up, you know, those are the Catholic

443
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: Church can be an oppressor, has been, can continue to be.

444
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 2: And so it's it's fair game. It's up for grabs.

445
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 2: I love Jesus Christ Superstar and I love you know

446
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 2: what's the one with Whipy Goldberg's sister are come on.

447
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 2: The Catholic Church has been at the core of media

448
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 2: like and depictions of nuns and priests and Catholicism for years.

449
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,640
Speaker 2: There's a million TV shows and movies like it's it's

450
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,719
Speaker 2: like it's fodder for these things.

451
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: The problem, right and the problem for the Catholics, the

452
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: ones that are upset right now, it's who's doing it right.

453
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: And that's why it's like, just be fucking real. You're homophobic,

454
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 1: you're transphobic. You have a problem with who's doing it.

455
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: Because when y'all are out doing the Stations of the

456
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: Cross and having children enact the stations of the Cross,

457
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: that's okay, that's okay to do, But anything else is mockery.

458
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 2: It's mockery, like, let's recreate the crucifixion of Jesus Christ

459
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 2: with childs. Yeah, in front of the entire church community.

460
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 2: And that's okay, that's fine.

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Speaker 1: So just want to read I found when I was

462
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Speaker 1: doing my basic research as a human with a mind,

463
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Speaker 1: which I hope that some of these people do, but

464
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: they won't.

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Speaker 2: On Google if you have a Wi Fi connection.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So something that I found on their website, the

467
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Speaker 1: Sisters dot org is their origin story. And in nineteen

468
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 1: seventy six in Iowa, a convent of Roman Catholic nuns

469
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Speaker 1: lent some retired habits to the sugar Plum Fairies performing

470
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Speaker 1: their version of the Sound of Music. One year later,

471
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Speaker 1: one of the founders of Sister Vicious, Power Hungry Badge

472
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 1: moved to San Francisco and brought those habits to the

473
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Speaker 1: streets of the Castro district. So that is the origin story.

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Speaker 1: The Catholic nuns lent retired habits. To my knowledge, right

475
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: or my deductive skills is telling me that the nuns

476
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: were okay with this being used as a performance.

477
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: Yes, costumes, it's a costume by queer performers, queer entertainers.

478
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: So this was this happened in nineteen seventy six, y'all.

479
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, And look, I think also people forget like you

480
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 2: may be like some ultra conservative like Opus day like

481
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 2: Catholic like, but there are orders of nuns out there,

482
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 2: aside from the sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, that are highly progressive, yeah,

483
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 2: highly highly highly highly progressive, that fight for abortion rights,

484
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 2: that fight for queer rights, that believe in women's rights.

485
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 2: Nuns also historically, like throughout the world, you're gonna find

486
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: that convents have been places where queer women have gone

487
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Speaker 2: so that they can exist and live without being forced

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Speaker 2: to get married. Like, nuns are not like necessarily the

489
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 2: ultra conservative people that you might be imagining them to be.

490
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 2: It's just not that's just not their role. And also

491
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 2: the Catholic Church historically has not taken care of their nuns, Like,

492
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 2: they don't help nuns to retire, they don't keep them

493
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 2: fed and clothed into their old age like notoriously, nuns

494
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,199
Speaker 2: are left destitute in their old age, right, you know,

495
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Speaker 2: And so I don't know, there's just so much going

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Speaker 2: on here. Also, why do we expect the dodgers of

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Speaker 2: all institutions to like, I don't know, like protect your

498
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: religious beliefs or whatever. Why the Dodgers They're a sports team, right,

499
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: you know they're they're also a corporation. Yeah, before anything else.

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00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: They're not a religious group. I don't get it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I also wanted to go back and say, like a

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Speaker 1: historical figure that was a nun that was believed to

503
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: be queer because of her poetry was Yes, So like

504
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: there's a historical example of a queer nut.

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00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there are others. And I mean Sojuana is

506
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 2: famous in Latino communities, and there's they've made TV shows

507
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: about her, They've made movies and documentaries about her. So

508
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just think I'll basically get a grip,

509
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 2: like if you were at the protest, like you really

510
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 2: had nothing else better to do that day, then go

511
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 2: join Alex Vianueva and his like alt right pals to

512
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 2: go protest an order of nuns. Yeah, come on now, yeah,

513
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 2: let's get let's go. Let's go sit in it the

514
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: archdiocese and demand that they paid their teachers at Catholic

515
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: schools better. Those are teachers that don't have a union. Yeah,

516
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: you guys know that Catholic school teachers don't have a

517
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 2: union and they're horribly underpaid. Yes, let's let's go protest that.

518
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so many things like if you want to

519
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: demand more from your own religious from your own religious

520
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: in institution, like the archdiocese, Like there's so much more

521
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: that you could be doing if you really care about

522
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: the betterment of your fellow Catholics, of your fellow people, like.

523
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, and when Nacho Libre came out and Nacho

524
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: is literally a priest in Mexico who like has like

525
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 2: a little tryst with a nun in Carnacion and they

526
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: follow like, come on you guys, Like, yeah, that movie

527
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 2: was really fucking hilarious. Love that movie and so did

528
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: the rest of you, right, and where was where were

529
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: the protests right at the movie premiere because it was

530
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Speaker 2: making a mockery of the Catholic Church.

531
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and also break the Catholic Church has still not

532
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: made amends for the boarding schools no that abused physically

533
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: sexually Native children in Canada. Here in the US, Like,

534
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: there's so many atrocities and the Catholic Church is at

535
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: the root of them and they have not made amends.

536
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,719
Speaker 1: I will recognize that the current pope has made some strides,

537
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: but there's like centuries worth of violence. Yes, and that's

538
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: what you need to focus on, because, as the trite

539
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: saying goes, like, don't throw rocks if you're in glass

540
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: if you're in a.

541
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 2: Glasshouse, don't throw stones and hide your hand.

542
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: Yes, come on, he who is.

543
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: Without sin cast the first stone exactly.

544
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: You think we can't quote scripture, bitches like, yes, we can.

545
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: Twelve years worth of Catholic school. It's ingrained in us.

546
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 2: We know, we can't forget it. And that's why I

547
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: feel like we can talk.

548
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you know, yes, And I like shared a

549
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: video that the La Times made and I was like,

550
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: I promise you that Catholics are not oppressed. And I

551
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: expected my dms to be on fire, but no, because

552
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: people fucking know, and the people that follow me know

553
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: they probably feel the same way I do. Slash. I

554
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: feel like you and I, like you said, can speak

555
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: on these things because we're not looking from the outside.

556
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: We were inside. Yeah.

557
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: I still go to church with my grandma and my mom.

558
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: When they asked me to, I feel bad.

559
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: I get it. You have to go with mom and grandma. Natcha.

560
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: I get it.

561
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's such a thing still but yeah,

562
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 2: like and if you guys really know your church and

563
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: really know your faith and really no Catholicism, then you

564
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: would know all this stuff. Come on now, yeah, I'm

565
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 2: not buying it.

566
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: No.

567
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: Wo Should we move on to Flame and Hot and

568
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 2: the Hot Cheetos? Another one, another.

569
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: Hot topic, another hot take. So we went to the

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Speaker 1: West Coast premiere of Flame and Hot. It was at

571
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Speaker 1: the Laalif Film Festival, the Los Angeles Latino International Film Festival,

572
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: one of our favorite events in Los Angeles. It was

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Speaker 1: Eva Longoria's directorial debut. Yes, Lynda vet Chavas is one

574
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Speaker 1: of the writers, the screenwriters. Past guest of Loka Full Transparency.

575
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, past guest of Lokata Radio. We interviewed

576
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: Linda Yvette Chavez and Marvin Lamoos during the Henhi fied Era.

577
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,719
Speaker 1: Just launched their first season and it was during the

578
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Speaker 1: pandemic like April twenty twenty when we interviewed them and.

579
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Speaker 2: We had both of them on at the same time.

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Speaker 2: Since then, Marvin and Linda have both gone on to

581
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: do more projects, Linda with Flamin' Hot starring Annie Gonzalez,

582
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Speaker 2: opposite Jesse John Garcia who plays Richard Montagnez and Marvin

583
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 2: has gone on to direct a feature film for Disney

584
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Speaker 2: Plus called Alexander and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very

585
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: Bad Day, which is an adaptation of the children's book

586
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Speaker 2: by the same title, and Eva Longoria is acting in

587
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 2: that film. So it's kind of cool that like Eva

588
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: has been involved with both Marvin and Linda acting in

589
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Speaker 2: their projects, directing producing. Eva Girl, We're here, We're here

590
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 2: at Honey, We're around, but no, so we go. We

591
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 2: go to La Leaf, which again we love. We saw

592
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Speaker 2: the premiere of the movie. I love the movie. I

593
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 2: thought it was cute. I thought it was entertaining. I

594
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: thought it was well done. I thought Annie Gonzalez was fantastic,

595
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 2: which seems to be the consensus. Yeah, her performance was

596
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 2: really a standout performance. And Jesse John Garcia was fabulous

597
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 2: in his adaptation of Richard, Like he gave Richard a

598
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: personality that we could all connect to, that we wanted

599
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: him to win. He made us laugh. He really embodied

600
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Speaker 2: that he's a family man trying to make it work

601
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Speaker 2: and trying to make something happen for his kids and

602
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Speaker 2: his wife. You know, I liked it, and I thought

603
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:37,439
Speaker 2: they did a really good job.

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00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I echo that sentiment. I felt the same way.

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Speaker 1: I really liked the entire cast. I thought it was

606
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: so well done.

607
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: You have to see. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think with anything like if you want to critique

609
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: it or have you you always have to like engage

610
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: with it and watch it yourself and come up with

611
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: your own come to your own conclusion and your own opinion.

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00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: Right since it's launch, there have been a lot of opinions,

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00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: a lot of critiques, just per usual. Anytime there's a

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00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: Latino Latina LATINX project, there's chatter, there's discourse.

615
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's exhausting. It's necessary perhaps, but it's also exhausting.

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00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 1: I think there's a time and place, there are people

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Speaker 1: that do it. I just personally don't feel like I

619
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Speaker 1: don't want to be a film critic.

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Speaker 2: I want to say it was twenty twenty one. Sam Dean,

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Speaker 2: a tech reporter at the LA Times, wrote an article

622
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: and it was sort of like an expose style article,

623
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Speaker 2: and his thesis was that the so called inventor of

624
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Speaker 2: flaming hot cheetos, Richard Montagnez, did not invent flaming hot

625
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Speaker 2: Cheetos at all, that it's based on a lie. That

626
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 2: The La Times received an anonymous tip from someone formerly

627
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 2: employed at Fredola who reached out to say that, you know,

628
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 2: she was there in the seventies in the Midwest and

629
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: working in corporate and that Fredo Lay was working on

630
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 2: developing spicy snacks before Richard Montagniez entered the fold. So

631
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: that was the kind of basis for The La Times

632
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 2: putting out Richard lied, and this is like how it's

633
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 2: been framed. Richard Montagniez lied. Yeah, the movie's based on

634
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 2: a lie. But like Richard Montagniel's has been writing books

635
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 2: and going on tour and doing speaking engagements and talking

636
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 2: about Freedo Lay for twenty plus years, and has Freedo

637
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: Lay ever like sent him a cease and desist? Have

638
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 2: they ever said stop saying that? Have no to our knowledge.

639
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I find it interesting that this came this expose

640
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: was published when obviously investigative reporting takes time. But I

641
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 1: think it's very interesting that it came out shortly after

642
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: the film was announced, the making of the film and

643
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 1: who was involved with the project. So I think that's

644
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Speaker 1: really interesting because to your point, like this multimillion corporation

645
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Speaker 1: is just going to allow a single man to go

646
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Speaker 1: with this narrative. I don't know. Maybe in their eyes

647
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: it makes them look better. I don't know, but I

648
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: think it's really interesting that there has been no like

649
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: legal fallout, Yeah, and that a film like this was

650
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Speaker 1: even able to be made if there was not some

651
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: truth to it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I think there's also you know, if you watch

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Speaker 1: the film, there's a scene where they do address that

655
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: in the Midwest, there is a test lab and they

656
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: are making something, And I think that that was probably

657
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: the writer's way of addressing like some of what happened

658
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Speaker 1: with the investigative report.

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Speaker 2: Totally. The film is self aware and depicts corporates, suits

660
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 2: snack developers working on spicy snacks like it's it's in

661
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: the film. The film acknowledges that they were working towards

662
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 2: spicy snacks already before Richard got there. And here's my deal,

663
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 2: a huge at the time, Freedolay already in PepsiCo, already huge, huge,

664
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 2: quas huge. Nobody invents anything by themselves, like when is

665
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 2: there when like at this stage of the game, and

666
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 2: even then, like teams of people invent things and test things, ye,

667
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 2: you know, and go through different iterations and put out samples,

668
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: and like why is it so hard for us to

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Speaker 2: believe that Richard was an integral part of the move

670
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: towards eventually launching hot Cheetos and all its different variations.

671
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: And he's known as like the godfather of Hispanic marketing.

672
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 2: And I think a big part of the film is

673
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: like him getting the chips out there and into Latino communities.

674
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 2: And whether you like it or not, and whether you

675
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: like capitalism and marketing or not, we're in it, y'all.

676
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: We're in capitalism. Like the only way we survive is

677
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: by making money sometimes on things, you know what I mean?

678
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 2: Like people love hot Cheetos.

679
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, as like people love hot cheetos, people love how Cheetos.

680
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: And then there's there's like a couple of different things.

681
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm seeing one as a hot Scheata lover

682
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: and I consider myself a very healthy person, but like

683
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: I consume hot Cheetos, and some of the conversation that

684
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: I've seen like, Okay, why are we not talking about

685
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: how the snack is being forced or put on our community?

686
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: And there's red dye and that has health effects and

687
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: this and this and that, Like, so we're gonna harp

688
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: on the one, the one snack, as if there's not

689
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: thousands of things, you know.

690
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,240
Speaker 2: Is every Beria variation right now? The healthiest is Bria

691
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 2: Rahmen that everybody's obsessed with right now? Is that the

692
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: height of health and wellness?

693
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: Right? No? And then there's the other camp that I see,

694
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: like this is just a movie that's glorifying, like pulling

695
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,720
Speaker 1: yourself up by your bootstraps. And the American success story

696
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: that is, you know, has been discredited as a myth. Right,

697
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: we know that to be true. Both can be true.

698
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: We know that, and I think it's frustrating for me,

699
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: you know, I see there's a lot of want and

700
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:03,720
Speaker 1: desire by let the media consumers to have a broader

701
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 1: scope of film and TV and stories that are told. Right,

702
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: it's not just the sad stories. We know that those

703
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: are true. It's not just immigration stories. We know that

704
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 1: those are true. But it's also fun and light stories

705
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: that we want. Well, here's the fun and light film.

706
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: And it's still not good enough. It's still not to

707
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: the standard of what people want.

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Speaker 2: Also, I will just say that a lot of the

709
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 2: journalists that I'm seeing who are hating the Flaming Hot movie.

710
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: Love just Selna the series, and that shit was actually trash, cheap,

711
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 2: poorly done, hard to watch.

712
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, bad.

713
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 2: This movie was well made. It was well made, well acted.

714
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 2: The hair was fabulous, the wardrobe was fabulous. You know,

715
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 2: like the writing, it's a Disney it's a Disney movie. Yeah,

716
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 2: remember that. Remember that it's a Disney movie. This is

717
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 2: a story that we're telling for entertainment purposes. And it

718
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: was well done and they did a good job. Also,

719
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: the La Times literally sponsored the opening night of Lalif,

720
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 2: which was the premiere night of Flaming Hot. The La

721
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: Times logo was all over the napkins at the bar

722
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: and all over the Step and Repeat, And everybody went

723
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 2: from the Flame and Hot premiere with their complimentary bags

724
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: of hotsheetos us included, and walked over to the Hollywood

725
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 2: Roosevelt and took pictures in front of the La Times

726
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 2: sponsored Step and Repeat. Let's just remember that. Yeah, And

727
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 2: so the La Times folks who are all about it's

728
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 2: based on a lie, then why are you guys sponsoring

729
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 2: the damn premiere?

730
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: Yeah?

731
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 2: I don't get it.

732
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: I don't get it.

733
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 2: I don't get it.

734
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: I think that there is some truth to his involvement.

735
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: I don't think that EVA would stake her derictorial debut

736
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: on something that's a flat out lie. I don't think

737
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: that Disney would get involved in something that's a lie,

738
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: or the production company, like there's so many people involved.

739
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: It's huge, as you know, like productions are huge in

740
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: a production of this scale huge, I think that there

741
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: is some truth to it me too, otherwise it wouldn't

742
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: have gotten made.

743
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like the way that credit is doled out

744
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: for things, like even on a song like one Beyonce

745
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 2: song is going to have credits for like fifteen writers,

746
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 2: even if one of those writers contributed like one lyric

747
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: three words. You know, if that song was loosely based

748
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 2: on somebody's song from thirty years ago, that person's getting

749
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: a credit. So going back to this idea, like, of course,

750
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: one singular person was not completely and totally responsible for

751
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 2: the creation, testing, and distribution of a big product like

752
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 2: hot Cheetos. It was a fucking team bro. But why

753
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: go so far as to say that Richard is straight

754
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 2: up lying for his involvement in the success of this product?

755
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

756
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: Right, And it's also Richard's story. It's not how freo

757
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: Ley made hot cheetos. It's how a man brought his sasson,

758
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 1: his life experience, his story to a corporation, rose up

759
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 1: to the ranks. That's what the story's about.

760
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. I will also say I did notice Eva Longoria

761
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 2: directed this project. People are being nasty about her and

762
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 2: about it. When Eva Longoria put out searching for Mexico,

763
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: same nasty, h This is just selling the culture. And

764
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 2: this is so cheesy and tacky, honey. This is part

765
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 2: of a searching for series. Stanley Chucci has a searching

766
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 2: for Italy, and I fucking love it. Yeah, are you guys?

767
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 2: Are you guys jumping down Stanley Chucci's throat because he's

768
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 2: doing a TACKI cheesy searching for Italy. No, but it's Eva,

769
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 2: so let's jump on her. Yeah.

770
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: I think like Joe, our thesis for all these years

771
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: has always been when a woman does it, when a

772
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: Latina does it, we're all hate on it. It doesn't

773
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: matter if it's good or not. We're gonna hate on it,

774
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: and we're gonna rally everyone else to hate on it too.

775
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, mm hmm oh, and people are ready to

776
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 2: show up for that call? Yeah, ready ready poise Yeah. AnyWho.

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