WEBVTT - Everything You Need to Know About NFTs 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:06.320 And if tease, I just got into the space. I 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:08.240 want to say about a year ago, I had heard 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:10.760 about bitcoin and crypto and all that stuff. I knew 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:12.840 that this was going to happen, and now it's like, 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:17.919 really there. It's an opportunity to be part of a 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:21.240 world that's changing. Why do you think there aren't more 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:24.000 women in the space. I think because the tech industry 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:28.240 has always been like a boys club, so access to 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:41.120 capital hasn't been great for women. Welcome to Check, Eas 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:44.160 and Chill podcast. Thank you so much for dropping by. 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:47.840 Today's topic is super interesting, but a little complicated to understand, 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:50.760 if I'm being honest, and if Jesus something most of 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:53.280 us have heard of but we don't really know about. 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:56.560 So I'm hoping we can clarify some stuff for you today. 0:00:57.160 --> 0:01:04.880 So let's do it. This is Check, Eas and Shill. Okay, 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:06.959 so we have a really great guest with us today. 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:09.920 Her name is Mary Spiel, founder and CEO of the 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:14.160 virtual reality company Seek. She's really been at the forefront 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:15.920 of n f T S and bitcoin and I'm so 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:18.679 excited to welcome her to the show. Hi, Mary, how 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:22.160 are you? Thank you so much for being here. Good, good, good, good. 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:24.440 Thank you so much for having me on this show. 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:26.399 So I know we have a lot to talk about, 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:28.160 but first I want to hear a little bit more 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:30.760 about you. I know you grew up in Ghana, right, 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:32.560 Can you tell us a little bit more about your 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:35.200 upbringing and how you found your way to n f 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:39.240 T S. Sure, So it's definitely a long journey. Yes, 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:41.520 I grew up in Ghana. Actually I was born in 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:43.800 New York, but you know, my parents are from Ghana, 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:46.040 so I lived in Ghana and then I came back 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:50.120 later on. But my background is an engineering and I've 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:56.080 focused a lot on streaming platforms and so, for example, 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:59.760 I sold the technology to the Boeing Company for streaming 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:03.200 move These, which was used by Lucas Films and most 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:06.520 of the film industry, Fox, Um, twenty Centry, Fox, and 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:09.800 the list goes on. And then I created an online 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:15.480 video platform for independent movie makers, which then was used 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:19.960 more by brands, and so it grew into something that 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:22.959 was mainly used by music artists. So it's just been 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:28.040 like an evolution from being an engineer to the platform 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:32.240 and then to the metaverse which n f T S. 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:37.280 You know, Bitcoin virtual currencies are just like um goes 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:40.079 kind of hand in hand with virtual world. So that's 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:43.480 how it's all come together. Wow. Can I just tell you, 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:46.639 being that you're a woman of color, I love everything 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:49.240 that you just said, Like, that's amazing. I applaud you. 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:52.400 I I honestly that's beautiful to see because I'm also 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:54.639 a woman of color. You know, I'm a Mexicana, and 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.600 I'm like all about women empowerment and the fact that 0:02:57.639 --> 0:02:59.320 you're an engineering You've done all this and you're in 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:01.200 the space and I can ask you all these questions 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.320 mean so much to me. Oh, thank you, Thank you 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:05.720 that that means a lot to me. Thank you so much. 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:09.200 I'm excited because see n f T s I just 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:10.919 got into the space. I want to say about a 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:13.800 year ago, I had heard about bitcoin and crypto and 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:17.280 all that stuff, and I've always been one Like years ago, 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:19.600 like I knew that this was going to happen, and 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.919 I just wasn't too sure. And now it's like, really there. 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:24.799 I have my own n f T. My n f 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:27.760 T is a part of battle Wave. It's a game 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:31.320 in the virtual world. And I also just purchased some 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:33.120 n f T s Immu and Ape and I have 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:35.720 a VOX, But I don't know too much about it. 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:37.760 I just know that I believe in it and that 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:40.600 I know that that's our future. But what is it? 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:44.480 An f T Yes so, and n f T is 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:49.120 really just a digital signature. It's kind of like whatever 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:52.040 you can imagine when you buy it, they have a 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:55.200 digital signature which is verified by a whole bunch of 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:58.280 anonymous people. Right the way I look at it, that 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:02.040 you have this receipt for whatever you've purchased that is 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:07.360 recorded on this ledger that cannot be tampered with. So 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:12.200 whatever it is that you buy, it's that virtual receipt 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:15.160 for it. And then because you have the proof, now 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:16.880 you could sell it, you could do whatever you want 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:19.120 to do with it, because you're the only person in 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:22.000 the world that has that received Okay, for instance, this 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:23.600 is the way I explain it. When people ask me 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:26.159 and let me know if I'm saying it right, I 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:29.479 usually tell them n f T s are virtual artwork 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:32.919 with its own fingerprint? Am I right by saying that? 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:36.359 Or or no? You are a lot of people, you know, 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:38.520 associate n f T s with artwork, But now there 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:42.000 are so many things like there are digital fashions that 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:44.640 are n f T s, you know, events that are 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:47.760 n f T s. So it's a non fungible token. 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:51.560 And basically that token, it's almost That's why I call 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:55.680 it a receipt because it's like whatever digital thing that 0:04:55.760 --> 0:05:00.920 you're buying, that n f T represents your roof that 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:03.960 you own that and you are the only person that 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:07.799 has this receipt. You know, there's no duplicate of that 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:10.880 very thing out there. So it could be artwork, it 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:13.920 could be an avatar, it could be music, it could 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:18.080 be anything, okay, And who decides how valuable it is? 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:22.000 It depends, but the community decides, right, So for example, 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:26.040 people like why is the board ape worth millions? Because 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:30.359 the community decides how rare it is and how valuable 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:34.000 it is. So it's mainly the community. You know. My 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:35.839 son was saying the other day, it was like, oh, 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:37.640 you know, kids don't like n f T s. I said, why, 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:40.320 he said, because I don't like their like pixelated little pictures. 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:44.279 But the value of it is determined by the holders. 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:47.400 And I've seen some great artwork that our n f 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:50.760 T s and then they're selling for like, you know, 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:53.279 hundred dollars and stuff. Like that. So the value is 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:57.440 determined by the holders, kind of like artwork, right, Why 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:00.560 is the Mona Lisa worth millions? And then you have 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:03.920 another artist that might have some great work, so it's 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:06.040 the same thing. It's kind of like art, the values 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:10.640 determined by the holders, Okay, and how how rare the pieces? Right, 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:14.120 And it's it's basically a one of one correct, it's 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:18.279 one of one exactly, which I like and coming from 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:21.440 a person that's I'm all about like having physical albums, 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:24.520 physical books. And for me it was a little difficultuse 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:26.640 I was like, it's not tangible, I can't touch it. 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.680 But then I started like, this is the future. We 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:31.640 can deny it and we can be because there's a 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.120 lot of skeptics of course, and this is why I 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:36.480 wanted to talk about it, because I want to inform 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:38.680 people and I want them to be like, well, I 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:40.320 heard it first with cheek ease, and you know what 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:42.159 I mean, like, because this is something I truly believe 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:45.120 in because my boyfriend's really into it and he's in 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:48.640 town Star. And then there's even planets. You guys like planets, 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:51.600 and you can buy land in the virtual world and 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:54.599 you can even rent it out and there's even artists, 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:57.680 you guys that are having concerts, like artists like myself, 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:59.440 but then they put you on the virtual world and 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:03.240 you have a concert inside of this virtual world. I 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:05.800 don't know how us to explain it, right Mary, exactly, 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:09.000 that's exactly it. I love that you have your n 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:11.360 f T coming. I would like to learn more about it, 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:13.320 and I'm going to make sure I grab one. I 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:15.800 hope it's going to be more than just one of one. 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:19.360 That's amazing. Love it. Thank you so much. Yeah, I 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:21.360 want to do more. I have a few ideas for 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:22.680 n f t s right now. I just want to 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:26.640 get like really informed and get my own and like 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:28.240 you know what I mean, Like I'm starting to just 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:30.480 know a little bit more about it. But thank you. 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:32.600 I know you have a company, right, you have Seek, 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:34.760 So can you tell us a little bit about Seek? 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:36.840 And have you guys done n f t s for 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:38.560 artists and stuff like that, or like, who have you 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:42.560 done something for? So? Seek we are a streaming platform 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:46.040 for virtual events and experiences, but we empower artists with 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:47.680 the tools that they need to create n f t 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:51.320 s virtual events. You mentioned about you know, having land 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:54.600 and planets and all of that, and some of the 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:59.280 artists that we worked with, Lady Gaga and Lovado. We 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:04.000 just had a release with Daddy Yankee and Litho, m 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:07.840 C Cassidy Nice, and then we have another award show 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:09.800 that's coming where we're creating n f T s for 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:14.680 fon Zi, Lwis Fonsi, and Paula Abdul. So we have 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:17.400 a lot of unique stuff. So in addition to the 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:21.800 virtual concerts and avatars and all that fun stuff that 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:24.120 we do in the virtual world, we also work with 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:25.840 artists to create their own n f t s and 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:29.200 virtual concerts. Oh my goodness, it's so cool. So maybe 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:31.560 like you guys can help me out because with all 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:34.240 these ideas I have in my head, I would I 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:37.280 would love to, would love to, would love to. Yeah, 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:41.040 because a lot of people still, especially in like my demographic, 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:43.640 don't understand, you know, and I know it's gonna take 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:45.520 some time. I do feel like I want to do 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:49.000 a whole video one day and speak about it. And 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:50.800 I'm glad we're doing this podcast. I feel like this 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:52.880 is the first step of doing that and making sure 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:57.040 people understand this world because you guys, it's it's coming 0:08:57.080 --> 0:08:59.080 and it's coming hard. If you guys haven't noticed, we 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:01.440 have the Staples Center here that was the Staple Center, 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:04.800 now it is the Crypto. We have Facebook that just 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.480 became meta. So it's like it's coming you guys. They're 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:09.600 sprinkling it on us, so don't don't be the last 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:12.480 to find out. Yeah, you know this, the Super Bowl 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.640 was all crypto dot com Lebron James, who's doing a 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:21.439 Dad's Snoop Dogg in Miami. The whole arena is FTX Arena. Yeah. 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:23.760 So right now that that, Mary and I are talking 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:25.880 about creating my own n f T. So it's basically 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:27.640 something I have this idea and I can't say yet 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:29.199 because you know, I don't like to stay it until 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:31.559 it's you know, in concrete. But I have this idea 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:35.200 of n f T s and basically, my listeners, my 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.320 my boss bees, my fans, you guys will be able 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:40.320 to purchase. I would sit down with like an artist 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:42.880 and create these things, and it would be art for 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:45.480 you guys that you guys get to own, and I 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:48.600 can sell it anywhere from whatever price I want, right Mary, 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:52.720 it could be ten dollars, a hundred dollars or whatever, yes, perfect, 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:54.880 and then you guys just decide if you want to 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:57.760 purchase it, if you like it, and it can become very, 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:01.680 very valuable in the future. And he's why do you think, Mary, 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:04.440 that n f t s were created in the first place. 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:07.920 So n f t s were created because we're shifting 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:11.679 into the digital world. And I think with the lockdowns 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:16.839 is really when the shift happened. Because we've been talking 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:19.520 about metaverse, we've been talking about all these different things 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:22.800 that it was during the pandemic that people realize, well, 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:25.680 we can't tour anymore, so we need to be able 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:30.800 to have a virtual experience and sell tickets, right, virtual touring. 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:34.360 And as part of that, people wanted to be able 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:38.480 to verify their ticket sales. There's so many things that 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:41.839 are happening. People were selling digital art and they were like, wait, 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:44.640 how do I know that this is the only copy 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.400 that's out there? Because there's so many fakes out there. 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.080 And so the whole concept of n f t s, 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:54.839 this concept of having this immutable ledger where whatever we 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:58.400 record on it, there's only one person that holds it 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:02.880 and the public no because it's validated. That whole concept 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:07.920 came out of our evolution us evolving from web two 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:13.400 point oh to going into this virtual web where we're living, 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:16.480 we're playing, and we're doing all these different things. So 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:20.920 it's really why Facebook is not meta, because we are 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:25.920 entering into the metaverse era and everything is going to 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:29.400 be tracked that we value, you know. That's why it's 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:33.760 been adopted, That's why it's growing so much. Yeah, that's 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:35.800 exactly what I think. I think it just all started 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:40.000 like mainly like really hardcore and because now everyone wants 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:44.000 to do this contactless everything. Even even I feel like 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:46.640 the dollar is losing its value little by little. We 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:49.680 know that, and eventually it's going to be gone completely 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:52.600 and everything is just going to be completely virtual. I 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:55.800 feel like bitcoin and crypto and all this virtual money 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:58.480 that we have is that's gonna be ruling the future. 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:01.920 And I only think that we'll get to the point 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:04.840 where we'll be able to enter these games Like I 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:06.560 watched this movie I don't remember the name of it, 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:11.560 but you would put on those player yes, ready, player one, 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:13.959 that one, and you get to like, I really think 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:15.360 that we're gonna be able to do that, like the 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:18.640 inside of the video game, you guys, like for real, 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:21.640 Like yeah, like go to work like that. Like I'm 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:23.280 gonna be doing my concerts here at home, and you 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:24.840 guys are gonna be able to be watching me, but 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:26.800 I'm gonna be in my house doing it. You know, 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:35.640 it's gonna be crazy. You know. I talk about this 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:38.040 and people think I'm crazy. There's a lot of skeptics. 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:40.280 What do you say to them? You know, what I 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:44.400 tell them is that it's an opportunity to be part 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:49.720 of a world that's changing, and it's something that it's 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:53.120 not a gimmick. I think early on, because most of 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:56.120 VR and the metaverse was really about gaming, people didn't 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:59.480 realize that there's so many other things that you could do. Ultimately, 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:01.520 I think the quality of it is going to be 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:03.920 similar to like when you go to an amusement park 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:07.679 where they have these VR experiences where you have this 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:10.400 massive world and all of that and you're inside it 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:13.920 and it feels so real. That's where things are going, 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:16.920 and so it's going to be natural and a lot 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:19.200 of the stuff that we're used to, whether it's a 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:22.560 keyboard and computer, all of that, all of that is 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:26.240 disappearing into the glasses, a pair of glasses that you 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:28.560 put on and then the whole world is in front 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:30.360 of you. And then when it comes to n F 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:33.320 T S. When I found out about ethereum, it was 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:35.560 thirty two dollars, you know. I know some of my 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:37.440 friends were talking about it and some of the things 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:39.600 that they were dealing with it. I didn't really pay 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:42.280 attention to it until later on when it was like 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:47.839 three and twenty dollars, three fifty dollars. And today ethereum, 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:51.440 just one ethereum is worth three thousand dollars. You know, 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:56.160 it's definitely happening. Yeah, for sure. So what's happening. It's 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:59.319 not a fat it's not a phase. It's it's the evolution, 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:02.440 is the natural evolution. So we went from texts and 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:05.920 pictures were like web one point oh with sites like 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:08.200 you know, Amazon, and then Web two point oh with 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:12.880 video where we were watching from outside. And people want 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.920 to evolve with the media. They don't just want text 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:18.319 and pictures, they didn't just want video. Now they want 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:20.960 to be inside the content. And that's why this is 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:24.040 all happening. I mean, and I feel like, little by 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:26.360 little it's been happening. You know. Even like if we 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:28.280 talk about music, we used to have cassettes and then 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:30.000 they went into CD s and now all we have 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:33.320 is it's it's just digital everything digital, all of our music. 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:36.120 So it's just like even on a smaller scale. But 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:37.760 I went to check a cheese the other day, and 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:40.640 before it was like you had the little tokens and 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:42.320 you would put them in the machines. Now they give 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:44.520 you a little watch for the kids that they wear 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:47.360 and they just touched the thing. It's a contactless you know, 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:50.160 and things like that where I'm like, this is happening. 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:51.960 And the reason I want to talk about n f 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.080 T is because I truly believe in them. And again, 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:56.200 I still have a lot of information and a lot 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:58.160 of things that I want to learn. I want to 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:00.440 get into this space a little more. But I don't 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:02.440 want you guys to jump on the bandwagon too late. 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:05.640 It's better to start sooner rather than later. Just f 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:07.760 y I And if even if you start with one 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:11.160 or two, like just start collecting them. Before you know it, 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:14.160 it's gonna grow. It's inevitable, it's going to happen. But 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:16.760 do you think that they're good investments? Mary? Like, I mean, 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:18.560 obviously you're gonna say yes, But you know, I asked 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:22.480 these questions for my listeners. You know, you know, I'm 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:25.880 not a broker. I cannot give investment advice, but in 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:30.720 terms of being part of something that's growing, Like for myself, 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:35.320 imagine when I found out about Ethereum, right, and it 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:38.560 was around thirty two dollars. Imagine if I had decided 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:42.520 to buy some Ethereum where it would be today when 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:45.440 there's three and it's the same thing. And you make 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:48.600 a great point for people that are saying, oh, well, 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:50.840 this is not happening. It's like somebody is telling you 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:53.720 about m P three's right, and you're like, Nope, I'm 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.280 just gonna stick with my cassette player because cosettes are 0:15:56.280 --> 0:16:01.360 not going anywhere. That's exactly what the analogy it's like exactly. 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:02.960 That's why I was like, you know what, Yes, it's 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:06.120 been happening a little by little and then came and 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:08.560 I feel like it catapulted us into like it was 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:10.760 a big step into where we're going. That's why I 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:13.280 truly believe it. If you have ten thousand dollars that 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:14.800 you want to invest, you can. You can do it 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:17.480 in stocks, Okay, fine, but you never know it goes 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:20.200 you know what I mean? Like for me, I feel 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.440 like this is the future. I feel like if you 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:24.320 leave have it in the bank and it's just sitting there, 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:26.880 you're not making a lot of money. It takes years 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:29.640 and years for you to see anything, you know. So 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:33.600 I would suggest to do it in the virtual world. 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:37.000 That's just my personal suggestion, because you guys, if you 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:40.280 have it in the bank, you know it just it 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.560 just doesn't know. It's a great opportunity. This is a 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:47.280 life changing moment, and this time in history is not 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:50.920 going to come back in our generation. And so I 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:53.480 am so glad that, you know, even though I felt like, wow, 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:55.680 I found out of Eitherean when it was thirty two dollars, 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.480 and then I kind of came into the awareness of 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:00.720 it when it was around three me and then with 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:04.040 where it is now. So we are definitely at a 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:07.240 time in our history that I doubt very seriously that 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:09.120 a lot of people they think that they're too late 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:12.080 to the game because bitcoin and all this stuff is 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:14.919 so expensive. But you know, and especially for women, if 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:17.040 you're looking at a business, if you're looking to start 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:21.639 something and create something of value, definitely look into the 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:25.919 virtual world. Absolutely. I couldn't agree more and I just 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:30.000 have to ask this. You know, nothing is quote unquote perfect, right, 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:33.359 So is there anything that worries you or anything that 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:36.639 you could say, Okay, this is the downside or the 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:39.600 or the con of n f t S. The biggest 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:42.280 thing with n f t S is because it's the trend. 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:45.080 You know, when you have fifth and sixth grades asking 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:46.880 about n f t S and you know it's a trend, right, 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:49.920 And so there are a lot of scammers out there too. 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:52.120 There are a lot of people out there that are 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:55.240 scamming people. So you have to be careful. You have 0:17:55.359 --> 0:18:00.520 to do your research and make sure that you are, 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:03.800 you know, looking to be part of something that has 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:07.199 some kind of mission, some kind of utility. If you 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:11.000 look at a token or a coin, you have to 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:14.920 think about what is this thing doing, where's the community 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:17.919 around it, who else is involved with it? Because a 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.680 lot of times there are people out there that will 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:23.679 pump something and then get people to buy it, and 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:26.320 then they dump it and then they disappear. So I 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:29.480 think that that's the biggest risk with n f t 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:32.080 S right now, is a lot of fakes out there. 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:34.720 So you've got to make sure that if you're gonna 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:36.520 step into the world of n f T s and 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:41.440 be a collector that you're going to credible places that 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:45.639 have verified people on there, and that you're not just 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:49.600 blindly going into it. That's great advice because I have 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:52.720 seen that, and there's shows on Netflix, you guys that 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:54.720 you can look and I just watched one the other 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:58.120 day about a scammer or whatnot. So I think that's 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:00.760 for me would be like the only con that there 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:03.680 are a lot of fakes out there, so just be careful. 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:06.919 And do you have any tips as to where they 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:10.280 can find an n f T like where to start, Well, 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:12.040 they can start with yours. Where are you going to 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:18.439 have an available? Are like, um right now? Well, my 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:21.160 first n f T I think I dropped it about 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:23.560 a year ago. So that's the only one I have 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:25.760 in this game, so they sold out. I don't have 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:29.119 any more, but I want to do like another line another. 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:33.200 I have two different ideas, so I don't know. Here's 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:35.320 the thing. It's a little difficult I think right now 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:37.080 to to purchase n f t s, like you have 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:39.520 to go through like coin base and then to open 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:41.520 see and like I want to find a way to 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:43.800 make it easier for people to just kind of use 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:46.679 their credit card, just because everyone is so used to 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:49.480 just either swiping up or now clicking on a link. 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:52.479 For me, especially in my demographic, I want to make 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:54.800 it as easy as possible for them. So that's like 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:57.400 my whole thing trying to figure that out. Yeah, that's 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:00.240 for sure the biggest thing that you know, it's seek 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:04.640 that we're doing because for music concerts. Right even when 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:07.360 we started with VR, we created our own VR headset 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:10.600 because a lot of the headsets are that we're so complicated, 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:12.919 and it's the same thing with n f t s 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:15.639 and this one and that one. So we've made it 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:19.359 super easy because the seak coin itself, the SEEK token 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:22.800 is just the enough currency. It's no different than if 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:27.040 I'm buying tokens on roadblocks or on any of these games. 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:30.600 That's how simple we've made it. So you buy your 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:33.480 package and then you use your package to buy whatever 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:36.120 you want to buy. If it's a painting, if it's 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:39.120