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Speaker 2: Into the zome for the touchdown. Hollywood Brown has been spectacular.

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Speaker 2: Connor to the five and end of the end zone

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Speaker 2: Problem solved touchdown Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 1: All that was nasty right there right The latest news

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Speaker 1: and notes from the insiders who cover the team.

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Speaker 3: Break it On, Break it On.

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Speaker 2: Tukdown Saving Colin slammed the ground by fooda baker like

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Speaker 2: a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I skirting nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 2: What do you say we start with a show hands?

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Speaker 2: This goes back?

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Speaker 3: Darren? Oh, wait like that?

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Speaker 2: Yet you come from a household run by a teacher,

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Speaker 2: you know, know your place?

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Speaker 3: That's true.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's take a role by the way urban. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: how about a little more you know professional here Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Danny Sirek present Okay, poly podcast him over here, Danny,

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Speaker 2: how many how many on air appearances does this make for.

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Speaker 4: The day three and four hours.

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Speaker 2: Okay, here we go, Danny Sirek, won't you guide our

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Speaker 2: slay tonight? Here we go. Here's the question, show a hands.

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Speaker 2: Were you aware you're not familiar with the rule as

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Speaker 2: arcane as it was out of the depths of the

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Speaker 2: rule book, thou shalt not throw a backward pass out

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Speaker 2: of bounds with less than two minutes to go and

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Speaker 2: a half. I was unaware, unaware, unaware. Yeah, I feel

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Speaker 2: a lot better now. That makes me feel better, and

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Speaker 2: I'm off to a good start here on Cardinals Underground.

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Speaker 2: Brought to you by Pacific Office Automation because when it

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Speaker 2: happened in the moment, Okay, I'm like, all right, now,

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Speaker 2: we expected to know that because we were perplexed up

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Speaker 2: in the booth minus Day Pash, who is a master

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Speaker 2: of the rule book. Ok So, I already have an

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Speaker 2: anxiety going so many different ways because I'm not Polly Pash.

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Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, something like that comes

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Speaker 2: out of nowhere, and I'm like, wait a minute, And

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Speaker 2: I really would love to know if Dave Pash would

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Speaker 2: have known in the moment what was going on with

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Speaker 2: that rule.

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Speaker 3: You have to admit it's a good rule.

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Speaker 2: Explain it to me exactly.

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Speaker 3: Well, here's here's what I would It prevents what U

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Speaker 3: in that circumstance. You're like, well, what would be the

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Speaker 3: point of it. However, if you, let's say, especially in

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Speaker 3: the last two minutes, you're trying to score, and it's

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Speaker 3: the last two minutes of a half, and you're running

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Speaker 3: you don't have any timeouts, and you're about to be tackled.

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Speaker 3: But you can lateral the ball to a teammate. Oh

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Speaker 3: I missed them, and it goes flying out of bounds

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Speaker 2: Even if you're past the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 3: You could do later backwards, so you're not throwing a

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Speaker 2: It's sort of the anti or the inverse of the

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Speaker 2: Holy Roller. Yea the Raiders did back in the day. Right, Oh,

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Speaker 2: no time on the clock. I'm about to get tackled.

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Speaker 2: Oh I'm fumbling the ball forward. Just keep kicking it

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Speaker 2: forward like it's lacrosse or something. You know that rule,

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Speaker 3: That's what I would assume be the reason for you know.

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Speaker 2: On the sideline, Danny, was there an awareness of what

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Speaker 4: I don't think I didn't see any like true confusion.

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Speaker 4: I think it was I was just more trying to

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Speaker 3: Like had to huddle up as officials, like we can

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Speaker 2: It's true. It did remind me of I won't name

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Speaker 2: The coach would be so like you know the old

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Speaker 2: You know the whole thing. Well, this guy had a

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Speaker 3: I love how you say you won't say, but then

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Speaker 2: He's been around like two dozen years, So I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's not that a little bit of five different head coaches,

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Speaker 2: I believe if you go back, I think I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: What I am sure of is this is not good

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Speaker 2: podcasting to get into the depths of the rule book.

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Speaker 2: So what else are we going to talk about here

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Speaker 2: on Cardinal's Underground? How was the sideline, Danny? Were there

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Speaker 4: I did not, thankfully good and thankfully it was dry.

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Speaker 4: There was no rain, there was no snow. My toes

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Speaker 4: I was wearing layers, I was taking all the precautions

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Speaker 4: as general manager Manti Austin for it called it when

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Speaker 2: See. I wasn't really sure if you're going to go

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Speaker 4: So here's the thing. Both things can be true, Paul.

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Speaker 4: It can be outrageously warm that time of year in

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Speaker 4: on Twitter said that, Like somebody somebody quote tweeted me

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Speaker 4: Like I'm in Cleveland. You don't need that code. It's like, oh,

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Speaker 3: She was debating before the game weathers to put on her.

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Speaker 3: It's about comfort, it's not about fashion.

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Speaker 2: The good news is if you would have been barreled

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Speaker 2: So that's good. Okay, all right, what about you know

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Speaker 2: what about that game did you sense and let's just

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Speaker 2: Was there or was there not a lack of energy

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Speaker 4: It did feel like there wasn't the energy that we

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Speaker 2: There were something I mean, the first play of the

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Speaker 4: And the only other position group really was the offensive

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Speaker 2: It was down. It was either fourteen to nothing or

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Ledbetter working the sideline pretty fiercely, being pretty vocal

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Speaker 2: And then they dialed it in from there and they

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Speaker 2: But you know, some of the same issues cropped up

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Speaker 2: do you want to start on that front?

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Speaker 3: Huh, Well, I mean offensively, I think we know the

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Speaker 3: shortcomings of this defense right now, and the Bears aren't

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Speaker 3: a great offensive team. They were able to run the

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Speaker 3: But and I know I asked this question of Drew Petson.

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Speaker 3: I don't know about you guys or how you felt

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Speaker 3: because Drew Petsing said there wasn't anything special that was done,

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Speaker 4: This is not an offense that is built to play

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Speaker 4: from behind, Paul, But they don't have the personnel, they

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Speaker 4: nothing like it or not, you have to abandon the

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Speaker 4: from your wide receivers, that's going to be difficult. Trey

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Speaker 4: McBride only having thirty one receiving yards feels so low,

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Speaker 4: of weeks. He just is coming off his second one

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Speaker 4: hundred plus receiving yard game. The fact that your leading

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Speaker 4: Mercado in there. You had four receptions by your receivers,

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Speaker 4: and it's just it's not good enough. And when again,

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Speaker 4: you're playing from behind by twenty one points and your

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Speaker 4: wide receivers are not producing anything. I can understand somebody

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Speaker 4: like rookie Michael Wilson is still being productive in the

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Speaker 4: blocking game, but that's two straight games he has not

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Speaker 4: had a single catch, and that's just not good enough

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Speaker 4: when you don't have Hollywood Brown out there, and.

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Speaker 2: It's not from Malac targets, right, I mean, Michael Wilson,

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Speaker 2: And so yeah, I mean, here's the thing. You're right.

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Speaker 2: They're not built to come back. They are not built

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Speaker 4: That just tells me you don't have the personnel. Losing

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Speaker 4: shaking off the tackling? I know Fields is a big player,

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Speaker 2: And that's one of the things you point to down

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Speaker 2: same challenges except a better offensive line, better weapons are

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Speaker 2: So I'm hoping that's remedied by the return of Garrett Williams.

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Speaker 4: Wasn't that an interesting defensive decision is you're putting in

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Speaker 2: And or a former cardinal Marco Wilson.

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Speaker 3: Are go being released. You mean yeah, I mean they

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Speaker 3: a different kind of dude. We all know that, and

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Speaker 4: Day, and he wouldn't Oh, it was a home game.

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Speaker 2: And look this. People ask me about where they're going

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Speaker 4: I do think it's interesting that Wilson hadn't played a

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Speaker 3: I mean, for me, I don't I don't think it

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Speaker 2: He's in a contract here and he was given it's

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Speaker 3: He does okay, if somebody picks him up on waivers,

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Speaker 2: So look, he was to me, it all falls into

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Speaker 2: he got eleven starts. Whatever you want to assess about practice, Okay, bod.

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Speaker 2: Ultimately you got to prove it in the game and

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Speaker 2: coordinator put it that way. But I think Antonio Hamilton quietly,

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Speaker 3: I would agree with that. And it's funny because you

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that personality really fits one we're priorities.

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Speaker 3: And I would agree from the standpoint, and nobody wants

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Speaker 2: I was just about to say the same thing. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Thought it was your fault as the play by play.

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Speaker 2: Guy, because where is this going?

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Speaker 2: Where is this? Is this going to be the preseason

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Speaker 3: The fact that they had the ball down one score

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Speaker 2: It reminded me of the Niners game Week four in

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Speaker 3: to nothing or forty two to seven, and instead we

437
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,239
Speaker 3: had a chance to come back at the end. You

438
00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,800
Speaker 3: get that this year. Next year you don't get that

439
00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,360
Speaker 3: next year. The second year, you don't get to keep

440
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,040
Speaker 3: saying well, we fought back. No, you don't get to

441
00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,240
Speaker 3: do that. This is your moment in time to get

442
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 3: to that part of it, and then starting next season

443
00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,919
Speaker 3: you better have some of that figured out. Then if

444
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,399
Speaker 3: you get down twenty one nothing, it doesn't matter what

445
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,400
Speaker 3: the final score is, what kind of fight you show.

446
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,640
Speaker 3: You just screwed up and got down twenty one nothing

447
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:51,800
Speaker 3: and that cost you.

448
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,280
Speaker 2: You notice, though, and this is just me because there's

449
00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,000
Speaker 2: never a bad time for a hot take or a

450
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 2: conspiracy theory that when you've been at those pivotal points

451
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 2: in the season, someone has lost their job, because the

452
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,920
Speaker 2: only way to truly motivate in professional sports is job security.

453
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:10,920
Speaker 2: In this case, it's Marco Wilson.

454
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,520
Speaker 4: Are you saying, carsonally a scapegoat.

455
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,479
Speaker 2: Not necessarily well, no d R an example.

456
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 3: We just want people to be uncomfortable on this roster.

457
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,200
Speaker 2: And to know that jobs are hanging in the balance

458
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 2: and there's a direct correlation between production in job security,

459
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 2: and if you're not deemed part of the future, then

460
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 2: guess what good point We'll make that decision sooner than later.

461
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 2: And if the other fifty two guys on the active

462
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,359
Speaker 2: roster right now, if they take something from that, so

463
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,879
Speaker 2: be it. If we reinforce the message that this is

464
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 2: a results oriented business week to week and there's still

465
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,679
Speaker 2: two games to go, and thou shalt bring it instead

466
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 2: of packing it, then guess what we'll reinforce that.

467
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure you had a similar sentiment in Minnesota

468
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 4: when the Cardinals traded Isaiah Simmons, and I think you

469
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 4: could find some correlations between the two of these, which

470
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,959
Speaker 4: we've talked about. Look, Marco Wilson was not playing well,

471
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 4: and again, if you know he's not part of the future,

472
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 4: if he's just gonna sit on your bench, and this

473
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,360
Speaker 4: is the year where you're trying to figure out what

474
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,920
Speaker 4: pieces do you have, what pieces do you still need

475
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 4: to both sides of favor release him, maybe he finds

476
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,719
Speaker 4: somewhere else the last two games of the season or

477
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 4: ends up signing somewhere early in the offseason. But give

478
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 4: some younger players that you maybe want to see, not

479
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 4: necessarily at cornerback, right, but now you have a roster

480
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 4: spot and you can elevate somebody else and get a

481
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 4: better idea of who you have and what you still need.

482
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 2: So when it comes to the defense, when you talk

483
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,159
Speaker 2: about some of the names and right, I mean, and

484
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 2: the injuries and the releases, the trades, all the above,

485
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 2: think of how the personnel has evolved, oh ya, on

486
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 2: the defensive side of the ball over the course of

487
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 2: this season. So you're now, to Danny's point, you're missing

488
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 2: your top four defensive lineman. Going back to day one,

489
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 2: you're on your third different starting mike lineback. You have

490
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 2: an undrafted rookie playing corner along with Antonio Hamilton and

491
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 2: Starling Thomas. So yeah, this you know, I mean, you

492
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 2: know it's a process. When it's thirty minutes before kickoff

493
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 2: and we've seen every single practice of this team over

494
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 2: the years we're allowed to see and I'm literally writing down, Okay, wait,

495
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 2: who's forty four again? And I'm writing down on my

496
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 2: on my my board, Oh it's fifty eight. Seeh I

497
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 2: screwed it up forty four, Hyrek Maddox Wiams literally writing

498
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 2: that down thirty minutes before kickoff because forty four is

499
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 2: Ohen Papal exactly. And then I'm like, okay, wait, Cayden

500
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 2: Davis is up seventeen, but he's not thirty nine like

501
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 2: he was in the preseason. Now he's seventeen. These are

502
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 2: things that have happened right before kickoff. So you know,

503
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 2: I don't know where the Cardinals are a number of

504
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 2: players who have actually been in a game, but it's

505
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 2: up there. So now, if you're Nick Rolis, what do

506
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 2: you do? Right? I mean, from week to week you're

507
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 2: trying to you're trying to get this sound scheme to

508
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 2: go against some pretty potent offenses. And now you got

509
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 2: the Eagles and Jalen Hurts. I mean, it's it's daunting,

510
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 2: to say the least.

511
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 3: The Eagles. Nick Sirianni actually acknowledged in his postgame presser

512
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 3: after they beat the Giants in a game closer than

513
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 3: people thought it was going to be in Philadelphia, where

514
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 3: the fans were chanting run the ball.

515
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 2: Run the ball.

516
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 3: He was saying, run the ball, and I'm thinking, Wow,

517
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 3: you're now about to face statistically the worst run defense

518
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 3: in the league, in the Cardinals, because of the injuries

519
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 3: and everything that they've gone through. I'll be interesting to

520
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 3: see how the Eagles attack this. I mean, the Bears.

521
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 2: Were thought they were No.

522
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 3: I'm sorry the Bear. You can catch that on Folk Tales,

523
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:40,880
Speaker 3: Thanks coach. It's a great episode.

524
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 2: By the way, I threw that out in the Big

525
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 2: Red Rage. Jamari de Mercado looked at me, had no

526
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 2: idea whatever comment, had never heard of Denny Green nor

527
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 2: the Denny Green ran.

528
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 3: We're to that point in our lives.

529
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 2: I deserved it.

530
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 3: But the Bears were running over the Cardinals. And then,

531
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,360
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, Justin Field's tried to throw a touchdown

532
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,199
Speaker 3: pass and that's the won that Jan Thompson intercepted, and

533
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 3: I'm like, why would you do that?

534
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 2: There was another three and out where they threw it

535
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 2: twice and then and then the third time they tried

536
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 2: like a draw play and it was three and out

537
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,239
Speaker 2: and You're like, okay, Cardinals will take it. If all

538
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 2: of a sudden, you're gonna shun the run and go

539
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 2: that route because you realize that despite that, despite a

540
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 2: confusing emphasis with a two score lead and going with

541
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 2: the pass game the Chicago Bears and actually helping turning

542
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 2: into a close game in the fourth quarter, which of

543
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 2: course you know the locals were gripping about that, considering

544
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 2: the Bear's propensity to blow double digit leads in the

545
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 2: fourth quarter at a historic rate. Anyway, you realize the

546
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 2: last five games, the Cardinals have given up more than

547
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 2: four hundred total yards in four those five. So if

548
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: you had them up the light, I went Craig Grielou

549
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 2: and I took the last five games total yards by

550
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 2: Cardinals opponents, it's over two thousand. It's four hundred and

551
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 2: four per game, and in terms of rush yards, you're

552
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 2: giving up an average of one seventy three over the

553
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: last five games.

554
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 4: It's not an excuse. I just think it's noticeable that

555
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 4: the way the schedule has panned out, the Cardinals, who

556
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 4: are still playing meaningful football, you are again showcasing what

557
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 4: you can do, why you deserve to be here, why

558
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 4: you deserve to continue to coach here. That's different than

559
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 4: the meaningful football that a lot of these other teams.

560
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 4: Arizona's playing this part of their schedule is playing for

561
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 4: in terms of a playoff push. That's what you have

562
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 4: from Chicago, from Philly, from San Francisco, from Seattle. So

563
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 4: I think to a certain point when you're looking at

564
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 4: not just coaching and game plan is not what I'm saying.

565
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 4: I'm saying more when you look at the personnel and

566
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 4: the injuries, you're just at a point where this defense

567
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 4: is facing some really potent offenses and you could really

568
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 4: only do so much with who you have out on

569
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 4: the field.

570
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 3: The other thing too, and when you start talking about

571
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 3: the schedule, that reminded me too, Like I did an

572
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 3: update on where the cardinals two first round picks are,

573
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 3: and right now they're picking two for their own pick sixteen,

574
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 3: which is where the Texans pick is.

575
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 4: Hey, we'll take it.

576
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 3: Obviously, those things can change. But when you talk about

577
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 3: tie breakers and who gets the higher pick if teams

578
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 3: are tied, the only tie breaker that matters is opponent

579
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 3: strength of schedule, which means when you play a more

580
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 3: difficult schedule then you have you're gonna have a lower

581
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 3: pick than anybody else you tie with. And that's what

582
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 3: the Cardinals are faced with right now in fact, I

583
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 3: think right now, if I remember the numbers correctly, I

584
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,719
Speaker 3: believe there is no one with a higher opponent's strength

585
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 3: of schedule percentage than the Cardinals, and I think it's

586
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 3: like five sixty eight right now, which makes sense. Both

587
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 3: the Rams and the Seahawks have been way better than

588
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 3: people thought they play. They had the forty nine ers,

589
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 3: they play those teams six times. You know, they've played

590
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 3: a lot of other good teams. I mean, they're going

591
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 3: to down the stretch they the Bears weren't, but they

592
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 3: got the Eagles now. Now then they have the Seahawks

593
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 3: who are probably going to be playing for a playoff

594
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 3: spot in that last week. So I mean, it's going

595
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 3: to hurt them in terms of if they tie anybody

596
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 3: with draft picks. But it does again, not an excuse,

597
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 3: like Danny said, but it does explain something when you're

598
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 3: talking about taking some haymakers here, because when you put

599
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 3: together the fact you don't have the players and you

600
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 3: have these really good teams, that usually doesn't end up well.

601
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, the NFC West earlier this year was taking some

602
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: heat right for falling off. Hello, they might have three

603
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 2: playoff teams this division and you look at a Rams

604
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 2: and a Seahawks team. That's why I was talking at

605
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 2: length last week about to me, the offseason initiative is

606
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 2: this division. You'd got to figure out what you're doing

607
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: against Sean McVay and what you're going to do against

608
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: coach Double Rainbow and Seattle. He's got them back in contention,

609
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: and maybe you can knock them out of the playoffs

610
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 2: in week eighteen. We'll see. That would be a joyous

611
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 2: holiday season, There's no doubt about that. And then of

612
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 2: course the forty nine ers is still have the inside

613
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 2: track on the NFC number one seed. But yeah, now

614
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 2: you get an Eagles team that had lost three in

615
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: a row beat the Giants. Got a little you know,

616
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 2: drama in the end there, but they looked that good though, No,

617
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: not at all, not at all. I mean so in

618
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 2: Jalen hurts, you know, at his moments. So we'll see, well,

619
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: the inside knowledge of Jonathan Gannon, Nick Ralis and company

620
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 2: serve the Cardinals well in terms of do you get

621
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 2: hit by a snowball? Paul, do they have enough personnel?

622
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, Paul, you might want to steer clear of Nick

623
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 4: Rowlis and Jonathan Gann on the sideline. I don't know

624
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 4: what's going to be thrown their way in Philly.

625
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, do those Eagles fans well, I'll just

626
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: say it, the Eagles fans should have a new found

627
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 2: appreciation for what they have, you know what.

628
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 4: I think they do. But I think when they see

629
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 4: JG and rawlis there, they're going to forget about that

630
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 4: for the day, and then after we get back to Arizona,

631
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 4: they're going to go back to realizing what they had

632
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 4: in Gannon.

633
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 2: Do you think the Eagles fans will be well lubricated

634
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 2: considering it's New Year's Eve and they don't have to

635
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 2: work the next day. That could be a rhetorical question,

636
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: a factor that make me in the press box, the

637
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 2: passion level that's in those stands.

638
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 4: Don't look at me. I'm just kidding, Darren. Oh wee

639
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 4: take a joke.

640
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: By the way, the whole you know, in the holidays,

641
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 2: you talk about Eagles fans. Somebody just did a big article.

642
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 2: I think it was an AP writer. It was December

643
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty eight. That was the infamous Bad Santa incident

644
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 2: sixty eight.

645
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 3: I wasn't even born yet, Paul.

646
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 2: So no comment over here. And you revolved around how

647
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: apparently the Eagles had started oh to eight and then

648
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 2: they had won a couple of games, and the fans

649
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: were mad about that because all the fans wanted OJ

650
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 2: Simpson to top the draft. So there was even tank

651
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: talk back in nineteen sixty eight apparently, So then they

652
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: were mad and the Eagles, I guess were, you know.

653
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, they're out there, and

654
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 2: I guess some guy dressed, some just ordinary fan dressed

655
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 2: in a Santa suit, decided to go ahead and make

656
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 2: a spectacle out of himself, and it triggered all the

657
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 2: Eagles fans who weren't in a festive mood. And he

658
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: bore the brun of that, and they said, I triple

659
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: dog Darrey, and they let him have it, and boom.

660
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 2: They haven't been able to shake that, that sort of mark.

661
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: That's you know, smirch on their on their reputation for

662
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 2: a good fifty years.

663
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 3: If OJ had only been an Eagle's right.

664
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 2: So there you go. By the way, do you know

665
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 2: what OJ's nickname was back in his playing days? I

666
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: should specify the juice. That's a good one. He had

667
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: another one among players headquarters, he had the largest melon

668
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: you've ever seen. He was like a side You think

669
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: Bruce Bochie and his size eight and a half, we're

670
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: talking like size nine hats on?

671
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 3: Really are we saying bigger than Bruce Bochie? I got

672
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 3: a Bruce Bochie's the story to tell you, not on there.

673
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 2: So, so what do you think about Gannon going Because

674
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: you know, gan had his moment before the game with

675
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: Matty Eberflus in Chicago and he spoke very highly of

676
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: him and how he considers him one of his biggest mentors,

677
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 2: and he worked three years under him as a position

678
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: coach when eber Flus was a DC for the Colts.

679
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 2: But now you get Nick Sirianni and they're still tight.

680
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 2: Interesting to hear Jonathan Ganna tell the media that they

681
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: still talk on a regular basis and then he's gone

682
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: through Sirianni for you know, some advice here there on

683
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 2: how to run things as a head coach. So, okay,

684
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 2: they're tight, But could some of the institutional knowledge about

685
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: the Eagles go about things and the personnel could be

686
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: enough of an advantage competitive advantage for the Cardinals that

687
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 2: they could somehow make this a holiday, you know, miracle

688
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 2: of sorts and go in there with a very depleted

689
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 2: roster and give the Eagles a game who have been

690
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 2: struggling in their own right in different ways.

691
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 4: I'm going to be a Darren Downer over here and

692
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 4: say that I don't know that the insite knowledge is

693
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 4: just going to be enough to really give the Cardinals

694
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 4: any true advantage, just from what we've seen personnel wise

695
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 4: and what the Eagles have on their roster. I do

696
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 4: believe that when Gannon says this is just the next game, partially,

697
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 4: I believe that that's how he'll feel maybe once the

698
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 4: whistle blows. But I don't believe that this is not

699
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 4: any extra motivation during the week or having any extra

700
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 4: juice to him, which is hard to imagine that he

701
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 4: could have any more energy than he already has. I

702
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 4: do think it'll be interesting to see Nick Rawlis, who

703
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 4: has the persona he puts his hoodie on. He really

704
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 4: doesn't have any emotion when you're on the field pre

705
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 4: game and he walks past to he is locked in

706
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 4: on just what's directly in front of him. He's not

707
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 4: chatting with other people. You don't really see a lot

708
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 4: of emotion. So we saw a little bit of that

709
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 4: when he talked to the media Tuesday about being back

710
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 4: at the Link and in front of the fans who

711
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 4: are not very welcoming typically in Philly. I think it'll

712
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 4: be interesting to see if we see any sort of

713
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 4: emotion out of Rawless, which we don't typically see one

714
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 4: way or the other.

715
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 3: I did enjoy following that up. Somebody had asked him

716
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 3: about going back to Philly and he said, it's just

717
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 3: another game. And then I came back to it later

718
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 3: and kind of said, Okay, I know it's easy. I

719
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 3: know you believe that. Right now, sitting here in Tempe

720
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 3: on a Tuesday, I keep thinking I can think of

721
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 3: a million players that have done this. But the most

722
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 3: recent example is Jim's Connor and Pittsburgh and he sat

723
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 3: up there early in the week and he said, if

724
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 3: this was the year after I left Pittsburgh, blah blah blah.

725
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 3: And then the first thing I asked him of the

726
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 3: postgame press conference was after I had this huge game,

727
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 3: you said earlier in this week, this game really didn't

728
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 3: mean that much to you, And he cut me off

729
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 3: and he's like, why you got to bring that up?

730
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 3: And I have a feeling, especially if they win obviously

731
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 3: not if they lose, but if they win, I don't

732
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 3: Gannon's too smart, he'll never gloat over any of this.

733
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 3: But you you cannot tell me that winning this game

734
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 3: would not be extra special team.

735
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 4: You can't, especially after what all the fans said about

736
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 4: him after the Super Bowl. Still do.

737
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 2: It's like going back to your high school reunion, right,

738
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 2: you want to make your best showing. I guess I

739
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: didn't go, or you did have one.

740
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 3: I was going to say, to have a reunion I am.

741
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 2: But you know he doesn't have his best roster by far, right,

742
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: So I mean it's sort of like, you know, you

743
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 2: go to the high school reunion and your Lamborghini's in

744
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 2: the shop. You know, you can't drive it, you can't flex.

745
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 2: It's a tough it's a tough deal, you know, not

746
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 2: that I would really know. I just sort of envision.

747
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 2: And I will say this much. When I tried to

748
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 2: redeem myself speaking to Nick Rolis in the press conference

749
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: after last week, where it looked like he had the

750
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: hoodie on and he was giving me the stare down.

751
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I remember that portally phrased question. I owned it,

752
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: and I tried to come back, and so I just

753
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 2: asked him about his knowledge of the run game by

754
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 2: the Eagles, and then he gave a very lengthy, very

755
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 2: detailed answer that dar I say, we haven't heard all

756
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 2: year long. So not that he didn't have the knowledge

757
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 2: of other team's run games, but he was willing to

758
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: share it with the media this week. So if you

759
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 2: really know exactly how that Eagles offense works, write down

760
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 2: to every single block they're trying to execute. What do

761
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 2: you think the odds are he can devise something the

762
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 2: x's and o's, even with a depleted roster, try and

763
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 2: stymy that and give them some headaches. He knows what.

764
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: For example, Jason Kelsey wants to do. What can you

765
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 2: do as a defensive coordinator to make it extra difficult

766
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 2: on the Eagle center, who's sort of the epicenter of

767
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 2: everything they do.

768
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 3: I think you can. You can have something like that.

769
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 3: You can capture lightning in a bottle and have that

770
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 3: all work out. I mean, I think you kind of

771
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 3: saw that a little bit with the Raiders Chiefs game

772
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 3: over the weekend, where the Raiders probably had no business

773
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 3: winning that game, especially what they did offensively, but they

774
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 3: did so much defensively. You know, can it be the

775
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 3: other way around. Can Kyler Murray in this offense do enough?

776
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: You know, going back to that Chief Raiders. It's why

777
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 2: if you want upsets in the NFL, look at the

778
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 2: division games. Yeah, because division opponents know each other so well.

779
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point. And this is not a

780
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 3: division game.

781
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: No, but but they but they know this team like

782
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 2: a division opponent, I guess, is my point.

783
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 3: You would, yes, I would.

784
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 4: The coaches do right to a certain extent. You can

785
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 4: only relay that to the players who haven't gone up

786
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 4: against them.

787
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 3: So and I do think I like, going back to

788
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 3: the Chiefs Raiders game, I think the Raiders have some

789
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 3: pretty good talent on defense, Whereas you know, again, this

790
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 3: is going to come back to the It's not about

791
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 3: the x'es and o's, It's about the Jimmy's and Joe's.

792
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 3: And I just don't know if if the Cardinals have

793
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 3: enough Jimmy's or Joe's.

794
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 2: You know what the Raiders have. They have Max Crosby,

795
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 2: that premier pass rusher, who's you know, sort of like

796
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 2: the whole Montes sweat thing. I mean, once we dug

797
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 2: into the numbers, the whole Montes sweat effect and what

798
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: he's done for that Bears defense is truly remarkable. I

799
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,720
Speaker 2: mean the before and after. I just I wonder if,

800
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 2: and I won't get into it all other than this,

801
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 2: say that they were twenty third in total defense, twenty

802
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 2: eighth and scoring D and since Montes Sweat showed up,

803
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 2: they're a fifth in total D and seventh in scoring defense.

804
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 2: So I just wonder. You know, we look at all

805
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 2: the priorities in the offseason, and we can talk all

806
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 2: we want about corner and offensive line and receiver, but

807
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: edge rusher to me, I don't know if that guy

808
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: exists in the top five, in the top three. I

809
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 2: don't know if there's that guy this year. But if

810
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 2: you I just get the the Yeah. Yeah, the Bears

811
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 2: gave up a high second round pick for Montez Sweat. Yeah,

812
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 2: they paid them a lot of money, four years, ninety

813
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 2: something sixty two guaranteed. But I think Ryan Poles, a GM,

814
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 2: is feeling like it was worth it because they're getting

815
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 2: instant return on investment.

816
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 4: The Cardinals just don't have that. It's not just the

817
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 4: sack numbers, it's the pressures, the hurries, the quarterback hits.

818
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 4: Cardinals have not been able to put really any opposing

819
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 4: quarterback under true duress. The last couple of weeks. We

820
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 4: saw sparks of it the start of the season, which

821
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 4: kind of surprises a little bit when you look at

822
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 4: who is in that room. Maybe again, now it's more

823
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 4: about the quarterbacks you're facing this time of year, or

824
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 4: what the game plan is of how fast they're getting

825
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 4: the ball out or who they're handing the ball off too.

826
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 4: You're just not getting really anything from that pass rush.

827
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 4: And to your point, Paul, considering the fact that Cardinals

828
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 4: have so much draft capital this year and also next year,

829
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 4: the player might not be the draft that they need,

830
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 4: but it might be with another team, and the Cardinals

831
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 4: make a trade for a couple of picks and a player,

832
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 4: and I would be okay with that at this point.

833
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 2: I mean, once upon a time this team was in

834
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 2: dire need and they traded for Chandler Jones. How that

835
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 2: work out, right until the very last season worked out

836
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:09,919
Speaker 2: real well.

837
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 3: If you could get a guy like Chandler Jones at

838
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 3: that point of his career for a second round pick

839
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 3: and a throway offensive.

840
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 2: Linemanp Absolutely, I mean, I'll give you an example. Jalen Johnson,

841
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 2: their free agent to be cornerbackers. That a heck of

842
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 2: a season for the Bears. Jalen Johnson thirty three. You know,

843
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 2: those four interceptions he's had this year have all come

844
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 2: in the last eight games. It's all come since Montese

845
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 2: Sweat showed up. It's amazing how much better your corners

846
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: are once you get a formidle pass rush. Because Montes

847
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 2: Sweat before he showed up, the Bears ranked last in

848
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 2: sacks and last in quarterback pressures. So it's just remarkable

849
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 2: that before and after what he's done. And I'm just

850
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 2: wondering if you you know, we saw Mantiosa Ford and

851
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: Jonathan Gannon on that field, and I wonder if they're

852
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 2: thinking to themselves you look at the Bears as a

853
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 2: case study what getting that guy can for your defense.

854
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 3: That's all I would I don't think you're gonna find

855
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 3: any arguments.

856
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 2: I just I guess I'm just sort of talking to myself.

857
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 2: Thought bubble No, And.

858
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 4: I do think that's interesting. Talking about the draft, it

859
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 4: kind of feels like that might be assuming you have

860
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 4: the right team to make a trade with and the

861
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 4: right player, it seems like that might be one of

862
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 4: your best options again, it's early to really go into details,

863
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 4: but if you're not, if we know that this staff

864
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 4: wants to start young, and if you don't feel like

865
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 4: one of these older veterans who's playing in a contract

866
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 4: year or might have one more year in a contract

867
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 4: you could pick up. If that's not something you want,

868
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Speaker 4: you want something that's going to be more long term.

869
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 4: Maybe you don't want to do another draft pick and

870
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 4: really have to develop a player that could be your

871
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 4: best bet as getting somebody who is entering or is

872
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 4: already in their prime, and you know, giving up some

873
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 4: of the draft capital you've collected.

874
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 3: Usually the funny thing is is usually those guys don't

875
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 3: come available. The Monta's sweats through the league don't come available.

876
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 3: I'm not really sure what Washington was doing there, to

877
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 3: be honest, but because if they go and get themselves

878
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 3: a quarterback and they would have kept those pass rushers,

879
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 3: because who was the other one they are Jase Young

880
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 3: San Francisco, which again I know they both needed money,

881
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 3: I get it, but.

882
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 2: They got a third rounder for Chase Young.

883
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 4: This is me the way San Francisco has the money

884
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 4: to do all this.

885
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's what happens when you have a last

886
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 2: pick in the draft quarterback.

887
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 4: Right making no money.

888
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: They just just storing that. The other day somebody went

889
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 2: a deep dive. So he's making less than a million

890
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 2: dollars a year.

891
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure there was a joke about because Christian

892
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 4: McCaffrey got everyone on offense like customized golf clubs. And

893
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,479
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure there was a quote of Rock Party

894
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 4: joking that he couldn't afford that even if he wanted to.

895
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 2: He has a roommate Rock Party rooms with an offensive lineup.

896
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 3: Danny referenced it was did I did?

897
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 4: I tweeted out. I said, man, I hope Rock Party's

898
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 4: roommate has some freshly baked cookies or something waiting for

899
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 4: him because foreign interceptions.

900
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but here's the thing, even though he makes less

901
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 2: than a million year, he has endorsements whatever that else.

902
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 2: But like, for example, when they made the run last

903
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: year to the NFC Championship Game, he got an extra

904
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: ninety or one hundred and forty grand for that. And

905
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 2: you know, if you go to the Super Bowl this year,

906
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: and then if you go to the Pro Bowl, you

907
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 2: get an extra eighty grand if you're the winners. I mean,

908
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 2: these are all things that add up.

909
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 3: There's also a thing where overachieving.

910
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: Yes, NFLPA, yeah has a fund.

911
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 3: Has a fund, so overachieving players get a bunch of

912
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 3: extra not a bunch of extra money, but extra money.

913
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 2: Yeah for him, I think he's tracking like one hundred

914
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: and fifty k extra through that fund, which is the

915
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 2: max you can have somehow.

916
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 3: So he's a starting quarterback for a really good team,

917
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 3: and most of those guys are making twenty thirty million

918
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 3: dollars a year. So yes, I don't want to sit

919
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 3: here and say he should be happy with an extra

920
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 3: five hundred k.

921
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: So if the Bears get the number one pick. And

922
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 2: as we wrap this up here, do you stick with

923
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 2: justin fields if you're the Bears or not? Danny, you

924
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: were the mastermind of three fantasy football teams this season.

925
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:56,479
Speaker 2: It goes so well.

926
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 4: Row, Yeah, I lost last week. I lost in the

927
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 4: first round of two of those leagues. Coincidentally, both of

928
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 4: those opponents had Christian McCaffrey, who put up forty yards

929
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 4: forty points rather and then I made it to the

930
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 4: second round in another league and I ended up losing

931
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 4: because I had brought party as my so forty nine

932
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 4: ers did not do me any favors in the postseason.

933
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 2: Waite, you needed your roommate to book do a bake

934
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 2: you cookie.

935
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 4: Maybe I should go back on my statement that maybe

936
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 4: being a jam is a little harder.

937
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: Than because DJ Moore had the opinion with the media

938
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: going into the game where he said, you know what,

939
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 2: those two guys in college aren't better than Justin Fields.

940
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 2: That was Dj Moore in the media and he was

941
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: talking about Drake May and Caleb Williams.

942
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 3: Well, and you can make that argument and nobody knows

943
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 3: for sure. That's the thing here. The thing about when

944
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 3: you talk about moving on to the quarterbacks is you

945
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 3: know DJ Moore says they're not better than Justin Fields. Well,

946
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,879
Speaker 3: he doesn't know. Nobody knows. That's part of the problem, true.

947
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 3: But part of the equation too is take out who

948
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 3: you're going to replace him with, at least in the

949
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 3: short term, and you ask yourself, isn't it's not just

950
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,919
Speaker 3: is Caleb Williams, let's say better than Justin Fields. Part

951
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,479
Speaker 3: of the question you have to ask yourself, is Justin

952
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 3: Fields the guy to take us to where we want

953
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 3: to go? That's the ultimate question. It really shouldn't matter

954
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 3: who you're replacing him with when you're asking that question,

955
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 3: because if you're playing the is this next guy we're

956
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 3: bringing in as good as this guy, that's you're doing

957
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 3: it wrong.

958
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 2: You also reset the clock on the whole QB contract

959
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 2: if you go for one of those rookies you do.

960
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 2: And I bring this up because as it stands right now,

961
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 2: the Bears would pick number one, the Arizona Cardinals number two,

962
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 2: and what happens to Kyler's cap number next year skyrockets

963
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,959
Speaker 2: to fifty million plus, which is.

964
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 3: What quarterbacks cost if they're good. Now, you're right, you

965
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 3: could reset it, but again, if you reset it, you

966
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 3: might be helping you well, you're not even helping your

967
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 3: cap because you're gonna have to take a hit if

968
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 3: you did something with Kyler. But much more importantly, if

969
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 3: you keep Kyler and you have the second pick and

970
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 3: you trade down to seven, and you get another first

971
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 3: round pick and another pick on top of that, and

972
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,919
Speaker 3: maybe a body for somebody to move up to take

973
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 3: that quarterback, that's a lot of pieces you can put

974
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,439
Speaker 3: around on a roster that we have just got through

975
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 3: talking about needs a bunch of stuff.

976
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 2: So anyway, my point is that the top two picks

977
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:46,439
Speaker 2: could be traded, yes easily. Bears and Cardinals could stick

978
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 2: with their guys, or two pretty top notch talented quarterbacks

979
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 2: could be traded to make way true for the two rookies.

980
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 2: So very intriguing off season in that regard, right, that's

981
00:45:58,880 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: my point.

982
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 3: We should have some pod casts to talk about it.

983
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: You know, uh, New Year's resolutions, you know anything?

984
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 4: Uh?

985
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 2: You know, I have you? Have you given it a

986
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 2: lot of thought?

987
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 3: I'm got My new Year's resolution is to be nicer

988
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 3: to Danny said?

989
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 4: Luck with that?

990
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 2: I say, does that count the press box? You know,

991
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 2: when you got your game face on? You know, does

992
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 2: that count the press box? Or are you exempt from that?

993
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 4: You're pretty nice in the press box.

994
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,479
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm pretty nice in the press box.

995
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: Okay, I might just so, what would you be referring to?

996
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: In what circumstances? Are you not so nice?

997
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 3: Podcast?

998
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: I see? Okay?

999
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 4: Waiting for press conferences to start?

1000
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 2: Gotcha? Okay?

1001
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 4: All right, I think Darren is pretty nice, So I

1002
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 4: will say he always puts up and takes down my

1003
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 4: suitcase on the plane, so I don't have to.

1004
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,919
Speaker 3: Danny's resolution is to grow another four inches.

1005
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 2: Well, when you figure that out, let me know. Hgh.

1006
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 2: For everyone on the house, we'll put it on Darren's

1007
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Speaker 2: tap and that'll do it. For this week's addition of

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