1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease. 2 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 2: Alex Murdog, the name that seemingly will never go away, 3 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 2: believe it or not, we have learned that love letters continue, 4 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 2: and at this moment are pouring in love letters, women 5 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 2: saying things like I think I'm obsessed with you to 6 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 2: Alex Murdog. I guess they didn't read the headline about 7 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 2: him killing his wife and son. Love letters pouring in 8 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 2: now we are getting an idea about the appeal where 9 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: Alex and Murdad. Can't you just imagine him right now 10 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 2: in his jail cell, gnashing his teeth and switching his tail, 11 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 2: rubbing his hands together like a fly, thinking about what 12 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: grounds he can come up with he can cook up 13 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: for appeal, Just one that might stick. And is it 14 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:13,199 Speaker 2: true that the tax man may nudge over the families 15 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 2: of not only Mallory Beach, the teen girl that was 16 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 2: killed on the Murdoch boat, but the family of Gloria Satterfield, 17 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: the long time aid helper, housekeeper, babysitter, nanny of the 18 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 2: Murdogs in line for money. The tax Man's gonna get 19 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: the money, really, not them, Imancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. 20 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 2: Thanks for being with us here at Fox Nation in 21 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 2: series XE one eleven, And those are just the tips 22 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 2: of the iceberg about what's happening with Alex and Murdoch. 23 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 2: Of course, he's not behind bars doing anything Worthwhile he's 24 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 2: doing all this, he's probably reading his love letters right now. 25 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 2: Who may I ask take a listen to our friends 26 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: at Fox Carolina and nees. 27 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 3: Access some messages send to Alec Murdock since he's been 28 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 3: in prison. A Murdoch was sentenced to two consecutive life 29 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 3: sentences last month for killing his wife, Maggie's Paul. From 30 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 3: women reaching out to offer legal advice, extend friendship, and even. 31 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 2: Express love for Murdoch. 32 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 3: Well, Lacey says, quote, Hi, Alec, let me start off 33 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 3: by saying that I am so so sorry this happened 34 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 3: to you. You don't know me, and I don't know you, 35 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 3: and I hope that this does not come off as 36 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 3: weird that I'm reaching out to you. I apologize if 37 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 3: it does, I'm unable to get you. 38 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 2: Off my mind. Okay, number one, it is weird. I'm 39 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: sorry if this comes off as weird, Well, it is weird, 40 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 2: And Lacey, you got this completely bass awkwards. I feel 41 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: bad for you that you can't get Alex Murdoch off 42 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: your mind in a romantic way. I can't get him 43 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: off my mind. And a horrible husband, murder's wife and 44 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 2: son way. But yeah, it's weird and that's not the 45 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: only one. Take a listen now to Justin Dherty Fox 46 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 2: Carolina Well. 47 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 3: Mary says, quote, Hello, Alec, hope you're managing okay, let 48 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 3: me know if I can send you any commissary, I'll 49 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 3: be sending a postcard you're way tomorrow, loyally yours. Mary 50 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 3: Nicolette says, quote, I think I love you. I think 51 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 3: about you all day every day. Those are two separate messages, 52 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 3: and she also sent another message saying that she was 53 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 3: embarrassed that she said that she's terrified of the day 54 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 3: that he sees them. But it's too late now, so 55 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 3: hopefully he responds. That was her third message, And again 56 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 3: that's just a glimpse of a few of those messages. 57 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 2: We have thirty two. 58 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 3: Of them, and most of the people sending the messages 59 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 3: to him were on his side, saying they think he 60 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 3: is innocent and that it was somebody else who killed 61 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 3: Maggie and Paul, and they look forward to his appeal 62 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 3: and they hope that he's successful. 63 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 2: Lacey, Mary, Nicolette, and so many others. I've got letters 64 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 2: right here in front of me. Ladies, you need to 65 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 2: go get a job, and if you already have a job, 66 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: you need to get a second job or something to 67 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 2: fill up your time. To doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psychoanalyst, 68 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 2: joining us out of Beverly Hills, star up Blinging Empire 69 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 2: on Netflix. You can find it at doctor Bethany Marshall 70 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 2: dot com. What is wrong with these women? 71 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 4: Nancy? There are two common features of women who fall 72 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 4: in love with men who are incarcerated. 73 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,799 Speaker 2: I think I love you well. 74 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 4: One feature is that they always think that the court 75 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 4: system got it wrong and that their quote unquote love 76 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 4: fun is innocent. In fact, they notoriously do not read 77 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 4: the filings or the pleadings. They know no details of 78 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 4: the crime. They do not want to think that that 79 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 4: person is guilty. And then also the idea that the 80 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 4: person is behind bars puts them in a position of 81 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 4: power potentially where they are always know where that person is. 82 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 4: But Nancy, I have read all of these this morning, 83 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,239 Speaker 4: way too early, before I had my morning coffee. 84 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 2: They really shouldn't read these on an empty stomach, Doctor Bethany, 85 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not an MD, I'm just a JD. 86 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 2: But even I know that. 87 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 4: You know, almost all these women are court watchers, which 88 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,679 Speaker 4: I think is interesting because many of them say, look, 89 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 4: I'm not a reporter, so they want Alec Murdoch to 90 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 4: know that they're not after anything but love. Secondly, they're 91 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 4: all fairly obsessive. They report thinking about him day and night. 92 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 4: And I third think the third feature which really stood 93 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 4: out to me is that they had studied the pictures 94 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 4: of Alec, his wife, Maggie, buster Paul, and they saw 95 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 4: a powerful in their eyes, a powerful, influential man with 96 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 4: a beautiful family, and now with the wife and kid 97 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 4: out of the way, they could be number one. So 98 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 4: as with so many almost stocking profiles, they inserting themselves 99 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 4: into somebody else's life where they have no business being 100 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 4: in that life. But I would imagine if I were 101 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 4: able to interview one of these women, I would find 102 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 4: out that they have a prolific fantasy life and that 103 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 4: they're really not living in. 104 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 2: The real world. They're kind of giving me too much 105 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 2: information in the sense that I can't take it all in. 106 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: It's like drinking from the fire hydrant, joining me In 107 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 2: addition to doctor Bethany Marshall, Jennifer Wood direct to research 108 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 2: at fitznews dot com. Hey Fitz has been on the 109 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 2: story since the very beginning. Jennifer Wood, I hope you're 110 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 2: sitting down for this one. You may need a cold 111 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 2: compress after this. Take a listen to our friends at 112 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 2: crime Online. 113 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 5: Some of the letters to convictor murderer Alex Murda are 114 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 5: so light and breezy it seems as though the author 115 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 5: has forgotten how they heard about Alex Murda in the 116 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 5: first place. Hi there, my name is Cheyenne. I felt 117 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 5: like I should reach out and say hi. To be honest, 118 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 5: I have no idea why. I figured that you may 119 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 5: need a non judgmental friend. I can be that if 120 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 5: you're interested, we don't have to talk about anything specific. 121 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 5: I'm a boored, thirty one year old female that decided 122 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 5: to write a letter to someone who could use a 123 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 5: friend to If you're interested in chatting, feel free to 124 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 5: write back. If Phil will let me attach a picture 125 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 5: of myself to this, I'll add one just so you 126 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 5: can put a face to the name. It's only fair, 127 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 5: right I don't want to go into too much detail 128 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 5: about myself in the event you decline the communication attempt. 129 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 5: I truly hope to hear back talk soon, Gyan. 130 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 2: But I love the way that Dave Mack from a 131 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 2: crime online put all the inflection in like he is 132 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 2: actually Chyenne attach a picture. Oh, I can only imagine 133 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 2: where that picture is. I imagine it's going to involve 134 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: something skin tight with a push up bra factor thrown 135 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 2: in Jennifer Wood. Are they crazy? They? I mean, they 136 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 2: don't sound crazy in their letters. They can speak coherently. 137 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 2: They know how to get posts, write a letter, send 138 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 2: it to the right place. But did they not see 139 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 2: those crime saying photos of Maggie's bullet riddled body and 140 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 2: his own son shot dead. 141 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 6: Well, I mean the crime scene photos were for the 142 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 6: most part fealed, so they probably didn't. But I mean 143 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 6: the facts of the case are gruesome and very clear 144 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 6: and very public. So it's bizarre. And some of these 145 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 6: women are extremely persistent in their attempts to communicate with them. 146 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 6: They get upset when he doesn't respond. We have yet 147 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 6: to see a response from Elick, and they get very 148 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 6: frustrated when he doesn't respond. 149 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 2: Oh, dear, what do you mean by that? Are these 150 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 2: emails or actual letters? 151 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 6: So they go through it's like a prison. It's like 152 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 6: the prison messaging system, and each prisoner has a tablet 153 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 6: that's highly regulated. 154 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 2: Did you say each prisoner has a tablet like an iPad? 155 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 6: They sure do, and they go through that. I mean, 156 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 6: one woman named Danielle on this round said I went 157 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 6: through studying the account ups. I would just like to 158 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 6: hear from you. I think I've become. 159 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 7: Obsessed with you. 160 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 6: I don't care what you've done. I mean, she just 161 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 6: goes on and on, like over and over. 162 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 8: Yeah, and Nancy, those tablets also have video conferencing capabilities. 163 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, I think I recognize the voice 164 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 2: of colleague and friend Ery Bland. I don't know why 165 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 2: you're being some that's totally uncharacteristic. Chris McDonald's joining me, 166 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 2: director of the Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective, host 167 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 2: of YouTube channel The Interview Room, which is where I 168 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 2: found him, and you can find him not only at 169 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 2: the Interview Room on YouTube, but also at Coldcase Foundation 170 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 2: dot org. Chris, you just brought up a very scary specters. 171 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 2: It's as if a monster raised its ugly head. And 172 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 2: I'm going to run for the yields. Are you saying 173 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 2: that these tablets have what? Now? 174 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 8: So they have a video conferencing capability? So each inmate 175 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 8: when they have money on you know, quote the books, 176 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 8: then that money can be utilized for not only phone 177 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 8: calls and or video conferencing, as well as email. So 178 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 8: the messaging that you know, he appears to be getting 179 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 8: is coming through one source, right through letters and through email. 180 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 8: But he also if this these you know, type of 181 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 8: relationships start to develop, then he also has the capability 182 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 8: of connecting with them. 183 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 7: Face to pace. 184 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 2: You know, Chris McDonough, I like you a lot. I 185 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 2: respect everything you have to say, but when you start talking, 186 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 2: you make me nauseous. And I'll tell you why. Eric Bland, 187 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 2: Now I got to think about Alex murdog having a 188 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 2: FaceTime with some woman that's obsessed with him, because you know, 189 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 2: I've got no doubt that they will perform sex acts 190 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 2: on the other end of that video conference. Pay five 191 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 2: dollars a month to cover the cost of the tablet, 192 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 2: says Jackie. Is this true? What Chris McDonald who just 193 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 2: made me nauseous? Thank you Chris McDonald for putting that thought, 194 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 2: that mental picture in my head, Alex Murdogg having facetimed 195 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 2: sex with some deluded woman on the other end? Is 196 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 2: this true? 197 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 9: Pause for a big thank you to our partner making 198 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 9: today's program possible. It's Fox Nation and its brand new series, 199 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 9: Scam Preneur. Hey, do you love a good con artist story, 200 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 9: then you need to check out the new Fox Nation 201 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 9: series Scam Preneur. 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Thanks 216 00:12:46,200 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 9: Fox Nation for being our partner. 217 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greace. 218 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 2: Eric Bland, Oh, if you could have just seen him. 219 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 2: I was in front of the Carlton County Courthouse ready 220 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 2: to go on air live with the Latest at the 221 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 2: lunch break during the Murdoch trial, and there was a 222 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 2: huge crowd just everywhere, kneeling around behind me, in front 223 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 2: of me, on either side, everybody doing their own thing, 224 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 2: talking about the case. And then all of a sudden, 225 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 2: it says if the crowd parted like the Red Sea 226 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 2: and up walks Eric Bland, you know, bidding adieu hello 227 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 2: to everyone. I mean, this guy was absolutely the ring master. 228 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 2: Eric Bland high profile lawyer and lawyer for Sandy Smith 229 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 2: who was Steven Smith's mom and the Gloria Centerfield family. 230 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 2: He's also co host of Cup of Justice podcast. Eric Bland. 231 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 2: Does Alex and Murdock actually have a tablet with which 232 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 2: he can FaceTime these women? 233 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 7: I have not heard that but I'll tell you, for 234 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 7: once in the most recent history, I am speechless after 235 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 7: hearing these, these love letters and love inquiries. It really 236 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 7: troubles me that, you know, these women, something must have 237 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 7: happened in their life to make them want to do this, 238 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 7: and you know, at the same time, I'm disgusted by it. 239 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 7: But I do feel sorry for these women. 240 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 2: Okay, somehow I don't feel sorry for them. 241 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 4: Okay, something did happen in their lives. I will jump 242 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 4: in about that really quickly. So there's some research that's 243 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 4: been done on women who fall in love with men 244 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 4: who are behind bars that suggest that some of these 245 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 4: women have been raised in households where there was fools 246 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 4: in love and violence, where the people who love them 247 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 4: also beat them re abuse him. So the idea of 248 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 4: love and violence being fused or going hand in hand 249 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 4: is something that's deeply sort of embedded in their psyches. 250 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 2: Dodger, Bethany, if you and Eric Bland are trying to 251 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 2: make me feel sorry for these women that are giving 252 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 2: Alex Marloch money for his FaceTime adventures, it's not working. 253 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 2: And if they've got time to write Alex Marlock of 254 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 2: all people, then they've got too much time on their hands. 255 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 2: As you all know, the idle mind is the devil's workshop. Guys. 256 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 2: If that's not enough, take a listen to our friends 257 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 2: at crime Online. 258 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 5: Alex Murdau is getting male behind bars. Some of it 259 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 5: is quite shocking. This one dated March sixth, twenty twenty 260 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 5: three from Darla. First, I want to say you had 261 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 5: a beautiful family and a very prominent family. Indeed only 262 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 5: others could dream of having. Just for a day, your 263 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 5: trial had me confused. It seemed to be about alleged 264 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 5: financial crimes, not a murder trial. I feel you are 265 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 5: not a murderer. However, you did steal people's money. Why 266 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 5: would the judge allow your financial stuff. There's no proof 267 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 5: you killed your family in my opinion. Also, the prosecutor 268 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 5: lying to the grand jury about your shirt. That's pretty 269 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 5: much what I have to say. Take care, Darling. 270 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm glad she wasn't sitting on the jury, 271 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 2: and apparently she is an esteemed member of the South 272 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 2: Carolina Supreme Court, Eric Bland, because she is now commenting 273 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 2: on his appellate grounds. The financial crimes and even the 274 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 2: fact that she's convinced to state lied about Alex Mardog's shirt. 275 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 2: I mean she's a court watcher. 276 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 7: Oh, there's no question. And all this does will feed 277 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 7: to Alex's narcissistic personality instead of him being reflective in prison. 278 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 7: I think all these different things are going to feed 279 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 7: his narcissism, you know, the frivolous appeals, some of the 280 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 7: frivolous motions that are made, you know, the answer, and 281 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 7: the nautilist insurance come case. And I'm sure we'll talk 282 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 7: about all this, and certainly the more learned people on 283 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 7: this program who are doctors will be able to tell 284 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 7: about it. But it just beeds, know as narcissism enough. 285 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 4: Don't you think it's interesting that this particular woman talks 286 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 4: about the fact that he had a beautiful family, one 287 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 4: that some people could only hope to have for a day. 288 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 4: And that tells me the motivation of this particular woman 289 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 4: is that she's probably somebody who's unable to form a 290 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 4: family or meaningful relationships of her own, so she's kind 291 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 4: of injecting herself into his notoriety. You know. To her, 292 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 4: he's like mister Biggs on Sex and the City. He's 293 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 4: the man, and he is the holder of everything and 294 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 4: if she could just be a part of his life 295 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 4: for even a minute, it would give her life. 296 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 2: Meaning. Okay, guys, I'm just going to apply one more. Okay, listen, 297 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 2: this is Lacy again. 298 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,959 Speaker 5: Many of the letters Allen's murda is getting behind bars 299 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 5: are very supportive of an express belief that he is 300 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 5: not guilty. This one is from Lacey. Hi, Alex, let 301 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 5: me start off by saying that I am so sorry 302 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 5: this happened to you. I am unable to get you 303 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 5: off my mind. I followed the trial and all of 304 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 5: the media coverage that has surrounded everything. It is heartbreaking 305 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,239 Speaker 5: that we live in a world where this kind of 306 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 5: injustice happens to people. I want you to know that 307 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 5: there are still people out here who are non judgmental, 308 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 5: kind and compassionate, that there is still love for you 309 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 5: and your family, especially for buster. While I don't know 310 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 5: Maggie or Paul, I can assume that they are so 311 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 5: proud of you and how you have handled yourself, been 312 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 5: honest and proclaimed your innocence, and hopes that they would 313 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 5: find the actual person who did this to your family. Also, 314 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 5: while it might be weird, I want to be able 315 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 5: to be of some assistance here for you. I am 316 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 5: here if you want to message or talk anytime. Everyone 317 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 5: needs a friend. 318 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 2: Lazy, okay, Lacy, poor, misguided person. Jennifer Wood joining me, 319 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 2: director research fitsnews dot Com. Did you hear this? I 320 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 2: hope they can find the actual person who did this 321 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 2: to your family? Why did this happen? What happened to you? 322 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 2: They've got it completely backwards, Jennifer. 323 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 6: They're sure too. It's like they I mean, it's almost 324 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 6: like they were watching a completely different trial than the. 325 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 10: Rest of us. 326 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 6: It's the most bizarre thing I've ever seen. 327 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's another component to it. Chris mcdonnaugh joining me, 328 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 2: Director Colecase Foundation, former homicide detective, star of The Interview Room. Chris, 329 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 2: it's people like this that enable others to commit heinous crimes. 330 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 2: It really is. I understand it's their fault. Who's the 331 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 2: real killer? Do you know there are people that actually 332 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 2: think there's a killer on the loose from the O. J. 333 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 2: Simpson double murder. They cannot accept that he did that, 334 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 2: and it enables the person. And what's so scary about it, 335 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 2: Chris McDonough is, these women look perfectly normal. You might 336 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 2: even just put one on a jury for Pete's. 337 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 7: Sake, they're serving food to us every day, they're driving 338 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 7: cars next to us. Nancy, come on. 339 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 8: Yeah, they're completely I think the doc can tell us. 340 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 8: I mean, I think it's called hybristophilia. There's an actual, 341 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 8: you know, diagnosis for this problem. And you're one hundred 342 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 8: percent right, Nancy. What happens is this emboldens him even 343 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 8: further into you know, his own narcissism. And it does 344 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 8: it sends a clear message. I have a caper right 345 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 8: now that we're working through the Cold Case Foundation where 346 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 8: an individual is utilizing those tablets through that FaceTime capability. 347 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 8: And so my assumption was that if he's got one 348 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 8: of those, then he's on the same system and that 349 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 8: this other suspect is. And these individuals have done some 350 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 8: horrendous things. So to your point, Nancy, is you're one 351 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 8: hundred percent right. This is just going to embolden other 352 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 8: folks to you know, to kind of chime in here 353 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 8: who may have this dysphoria. 354 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 2: Hi, Chris mcdona, homicide, Have you ever come across this, 355 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 2: Because I have defendants murder defendants that are egged on 356 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 2: by their family, you know, like Scott Peters and He's 357 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 2: a great example, and they are behind bars and they 358 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 2: convince themselves they didn't do it, and they actually get 359 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 2: angry with you if you don't believe their lives. 360 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 10: I think this is analogous to why people join gangs. 361 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 10: They have a very low self esteem. They want to 362 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 10: be part of something, and these women are expressing that 363 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 10: they want to be friends with him, they want to 364 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 10: sort of be part of his life, and it's because 365 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 10: they don't really have a life of their ownt. They're 366 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 10: not part of anything similar to this. 367 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 2: So I found this out, Eric Bland. There is internet access, email, 368 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 2: and phone capability on these tablets. You ever had anybody 369 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 2: like that? Bland, I'm not asking you to reveal anything 370 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 2: about your clients that they think they've covered every single 371 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 2: piece of evidence. They have an explanation. They always have 372 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 2: an explain. Say, I actually get mad at you if 373 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 2: you say no, I think you did it. 374 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 7: I actually have a doctor client right now who is 375 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 7: going up before the Medical Executive Board and there's probably 376 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 7: twenty three separate complaints about him, and he has an 377 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 7: explanation for every single one of them, and its persecution. 378 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 7: And the problem is these people get said these kind 379 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 7: of things and it doesn't. It doesn't do any good. 380 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 7: It only exacerbates the problem. It clogs up our system 381 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 7: with a you know, frivolous motion. 382 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 2: And these women are egging him on, telling him how 383 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 2: well I believe you're innocent. 384 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace. 385 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 2: Jartian. Michelle Duprey join me. Forensic pathologist, medical examiner, former 386 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 2: detective and this really says it all. Author of the 387 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 2: Homicide Investigation Field Guide. You can find her at d 388 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 2: as in Delta Michelle dupre MD dot com. Doctor dupre 389 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 2: could you just give everybody a little reality check and 390 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 2: describe the injuries to wife Maggie. 391 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 10: And son Paul Nancy. These were horrendous injuries, I mean horrendous. 392 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 10: Being shot with a shotgun is devastating. There is lots 393 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 10: of blood. There was obviously body parts on the ground 394 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 10: and on the walls Maggie. Maggie was shot several times, 395 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 10: five different times at least And how can you explain this? 396 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 10: These are also up close and personal. This was not 397 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 10: done from far away. This person that did this saw 398 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 10: their victims. They did this intentionally. 399 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 6: It was horrific. 400 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 2: Jennifer would with me from Fitznews dot com Jennifer. Remember 401 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 2: the crime scene photos, the ones we could see and 402 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 2: then we heard discuss the fact that Paul's brain basically 403 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 2: just kind of popped out and was lying adjacent to 404 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 2: his body. 405 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I remember, and I have seen a good 406 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 6: majority of what was presented in court. In it, they 407 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 6: were gruesome. I mean, I wouldn't recommend anybody see. 408 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 10: Them, but as. 409 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 6: Gruesome as they were, I mean, it's just horrific to 410 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 6: imagine what. 411 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 2: They went through that night and thinking you want to 412 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 2: crawl in bed with the guy that a jury convicted 413 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 2: for these heinous crimes, not just crimes, but crimes on 414 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 2: the people we assumed he would love the most. Well, 415 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 2: aside from all of the very disturbing love letters to 416 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 2: Alex Marlock behind bars, there's more. We're getting a glimpse 417 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 2: of the inner workings of the defense. What will be 418 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 2: argued on a pe Take a listen to Valerie Castro NBC. 419 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 11: Murdoc, who has always maintained his innocence, is currently appealing 420 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 11: his murder conviction, and Griffin says he's got support from 421 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 11: some who watched the highly publicized trial. 422 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 12: I have here ninety letters from people over twenty eight states, 423 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 12: ninety nine percent of those are folks who watch the 424 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 12: trial who believe in his innocence. 425 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 2: Hey, Griffin, reality check. This is not Dancing with the 426 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 2: Stars where people call in their votes. That's not the 427 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 2: way it works. You know, Eric Bland with me, high 428 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 2: profile lawyer out of South Carolina and beyond if his 429 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 2: partner in crime, Lafitte, is any example which I think 430 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 2: you can look at his appeal and get an idea 431 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 2: or a blueprint of where Murdog is heading. A lot 432 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 2: was made about jury replacements, which also happened in the 433 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 2: Scott Peterson case. You know, because one your would be disqualified, 434 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 2: that the next and the next thing you bring in alternates. 435 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 2: I imagine that's one bone of contention that they're going 436 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 2: to argue. What do you think absolutely? 437 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 7: In addition, they're going to argue the four four B 438 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 7: admission of evidence by Judge Newman in connection with the 439 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 7: financial crimes. 440 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 2: You mean the motive evidence. 441 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 7: Yeah, the mode of evidence. And so there's a number 442 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 7: of issues that they'll they'll raise. But the thing that 443 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 7: just struck me by what you played, Jim Griffin said, Oh, 444 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 7: I've received ninety nine letters. How about there's probably a 445 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 7: million letters that if people wanted to write that would 446 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,239 Speaker 7: say to Jim, your client is guilty as sin. We 447 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 7: sat through the same trial and listen to the evidence 448 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 7: and watch what you watched, and your client got just 449 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 7: you know, got a just verdict. So the fact that 450 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 7: ninety nine people said that he is not guilty doesn't 451 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 7: move me at all, because I'm sure there's five to 452 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,959 Speaker 7: ten million that would say he was guilty. 453 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 2: Well, I know to Jennifer Wood joining us from fitz Neews, Jennifer, 454 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 2: I can put money on this if I were a 455 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 2: betting person, which I'm not, that they will. Alex Murdagu 456 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 2: will argue ineffective assistance of counsel in addition to musical 457 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 2: chairs with the jurors, which I believe the judge covered 458 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 2: all the bases in doing that appropriately and for good reason. 459 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 2: I think murdog will argue ineffective assistance of counsel. Not 460 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 2: because I think Hart Putlingen and his team were ineffective. 461 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 2: To the contrary, I think they did the very best 462 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 2: job they could with what they had to work with. 463 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 2: But I think that's going to be a client specifically. 464 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 2: Wasn't it Griffin that asked the question, are they witness 465 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 2: that opened the door for the state to bring in 466 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 2: all that financial crime as motive. 467 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 6: Absolutely, I mean, and I think Griffin did that couple 468 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 6: of times if I remember correctly where he just. 469 00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 7: Yeah, he did it on the Labor Day shooting. 470 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 6: And I think, I mean, I think any appeal part 471 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 6: of that ends up being, you know, arguing ineffective counsel somehow. 472 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,959 Speaker 2: I also think they're going to go after the lady 473 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 2: medical examiner Jennifer Wood. Remember the great female medical examiner 474 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 2: for the state, doctor Ellen Reamer. I've just got a 475 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 2: sense they're going to go after her. And I also 476 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 2: think they're going to trying to find some fault with 477 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 2: the chain of custody and or the scientific evidence when 478 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 2: it comes to cell phone data, because that was the 479 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 2: nail in the coffin for me. 480 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 6: I think any attempt to go after doctor Reemer is 481 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 6: going it will not be successful. She's very highly regarded, 482 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 6: she's very professional, she's very thorough. 483 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 2: She was great. I agree with you, But that certainly, 484 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 2: Eric Blame, would you agree, won't stop them from trying 485 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 2: just like an ineffective assistance claim. Hey, the lawyer screwed 486 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 2: up by asking this question and then all my financial 487 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 2: crimes came in under motive, which motive is allowed. That 488 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 2: motive evidence is allowed. So I think even though he 489 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 2: had a great team, he's going to attack them on appeal. 490 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 7: Gun blast appeal. That's what most of them are to 491 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 7: see if anything sticks, and then ultimately to get a 492 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 7: habeas corpus. I mean Russell Offee has not been sentenced yet, Nancy, 493 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 7: but he's already raised in effective a sense of the 494 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 7: council against his first set of lawyers. He's now on 495 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 7: his third set to so you know, and he's about 496 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 7: to be sentenced I think within the next six day weeks. 497 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 7: But he's on his third set of lawyers. 498 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 2: And listen, everybody, the lawyers don't get upset about it. 499 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 2: They know they're going to be accused of ineffective assistance 500 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 2: of counsel incompetency. It's just part of the deal when 501 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 2: you take that big fat check, right, Eric Bland, you 502 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 2: know what's coming down the pike. 503 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 7: Yeah, And most of them fall on the sword. When 504 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 7: the arguments are made and they're put up on this stand, 505 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 7: they say that they wish they could have done better. 506 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 7: They do the best they can of not admitting negligence. 507 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 7: But they admit that they wish they could do better. 508 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 7: Most of the ineffective assistance the councils fail, except if 509 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 7: it's somebody who's handling the murder case it doesn't have 510 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 7: any criminal law experience. Yeah, both most of them failed. 511 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 7: They're not going to get Dick Carpootlin or Jim Griffin 512 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 7: on in that way. 513 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 2: Well, the reason they won't admit error to the point 514 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 2: of negligence is because then they can be sued or 515 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 2: disbarred or reprimanded. But they may say something like, yeah, 516 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 2: that was a really bad trial strategy decision. I wish 517 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 2: I hadn't done that. I was ineffective. Yeah, they'll go 518 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 2: along with it, and as Bland said, fall on the sword. 519 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 2: We got another problem. Is the tax man going to 520 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 2: come along and yank the money away from the families 521 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 2: of Mallory Beach and Gloria Satterfield. Take a listen to this. 522 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 2: We are following breaking news. 523 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 13: Convicted murderer Alec Murdoch is now facing new charges and 524 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 13: Murdock was indicted by grand jury for two more accounts 525 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 13: of tax evasion. He was already facing ninety nine charges 526 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 13: for other financial crimes. Now the new indictment alleged Murdoch 527 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 13: failed to report more than two point one million dollars 528 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 13: of income as part of his scheme to defraud his 529 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 13: former law firm and clients. Murdoch was convicted of murdering 530 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 13: his wife and son in March. 531 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 2: And more from our friends at WC and C. 532 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 14: The Attorney General's office saying it is going after convicted 533 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 14: murderer Alec Murdoch on new charges of tax evasion. Attorney 534 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 14: General Alan Wilson's office said today a state grand jury 535 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 14: issued an indictment against Murdoch on two counts of tax evasion. 536 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 14: Prosecutors say the alleged crimes took place in twenty twenty 537 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 14: and twenty twenty one. The indictment says Murdock failed to 538 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 14: report more than two million dollars of income earned through 539 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 14: illegal acts, which means he did not report more than 540 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 14: one hundred and thirty thousand dollars in state taxes. 541 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 2: What an idiot? I mean, that's a big red flaglight 542 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 2: waiving a flag, a red flag in front of a bull. 543 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 2: There's all these sneaky maneuvers you can do on taxes, 544 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 2: but not reporting earnings, that's so easy, that's low hanging fruit. 545 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 2: You know, think about it. I know, you know the 546 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 2: name al Capone. This guy, this mobster, had murdered so 547 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 2: many people, had done horrible violent acts, ran a crime syndicate. 548 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 2: Nobody could touch him except the tax man. Oh yeah, 549 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 2: and he got nailed on I think five counts of 550 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 2: tax fraud. Jennifer Wood joining us fitznews dot com. Tell 551 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 2: us about the tax claims against Murdog. 552 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 6: Well, I mean they had already filed tax you know, 553 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 6: tax abasing charges against him in the fall. These were 554 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 6: for the years twenty twenty and twenty twenty one that 555 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 6: they were waiting for additional data to come in to 556 00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 6: style them. And I mean, I think, just like everything else, 557 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 6: he I mean, you got to pay your taxes, and 558 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 6: I keep I mean, I know, if he didn't pay 559 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 6: his South Carolina taxes, he certainly wasn't paying a federal taxes. 560 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 6: So are we going to see federal taxibasion charges? 561 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 2: So let me ask you this, Eric Bland. Would the 562 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 2: tax man actually get in front of the victims' families 563 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 2: Mallory Beach and Gloria Sadderfield and possibly Steven Smith don't 564 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 2: know about that one. Would they take present and get 565 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 2: the money before the Beach family. In the Sattlefield family. 566 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 7: They don't have a lien yet. But more importantly, we 567 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 7: didn't get money from Alex myrdle. We got seven and 568 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 7: a half more than seven and a half million dollars 569 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 7: from other sources, So it would be different if Alex 570 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 7: gave us the money. But we haven't gotten any money 571 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 7: from Alex. We have a four point three million dollar 572 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 7: judgment and they haven't perfected their claim yet to a lien. 573 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 2: You mean file it at the courthouse. 574 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 7: Yeah. From the Satifield point, I'm not concerned. Mallory Beats though, 575 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 7: was paid some from money that went to Alex through 576 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 7: Maggie's estate, So I don't know what the situation with 577 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 7: that will be. 578 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 2: But does generally speaking, when you've got a lot of 579 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 2: claims as a tax man, take precedent they can. Oh, Man, 580 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 2: that doesn't seem right. Don't get me wrong, I rass 581 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 2: I'm on your side, okay. So not only is there 582 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,760 Speaker 2: a chance that the victims' families may come up empty handed. 583 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 2: Now we hear Alex simardag wants to move from his 584 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 2: private sale where he's having all those enchanting facetimes with women, 585 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 2: to GP general population. What take a listen to our 586 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 2: friends at NBC. It's been just. 587 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 11: Over six weeks since former South Carolina attorney Alec Murdoch 588 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 11: became a convicted killer after a jury found him guilty 589 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 11: on all charges guilty in the fatal shooting of his 590 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 11: wife Maggie and son Paul. Now Alec is handling life 591 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,800 Speaker 11: in a maximum security prison. 592 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 12: I mean he would rather take his chances on the 593 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,879 Speaker 12: yard than than wrought away in a. 594 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 11: Griffin revealing Murdoch has been living in protective custody, but 595 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 11: now wants to be in the general prison population, even 596 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 11: after receiving threats from within the prison wall. 597 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 8: Do you think that he's got a little bit of 598 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:11,479 Speaker 8: a death wish. 599 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. 600 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 12: He has been a man who's who has been sober, 601 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 12: and he has been rational, and he plans to continue. 602 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 12: He looks forward to the day of getting out of prison. 603 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 2: Okay, back to Jennifer Wood from FITZ News, is this real? 604 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,360 Speaker 2: Why would he want to move to GP. 605 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 6: I don't understand what his play is with that. I mean, 606 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 6: I think it's one a safety issue for him and 607 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 6: for prison officials, and I just I guess I just 608 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 6: don't understand. 609 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 2: What There's got to be something in it for him, Eric, 610 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 2: Why what could it possibly be boredom? 611 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 7: I think it's also as narcissism. I think he believes 612 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 7: that he'll be able to persuade if there's any people 613 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 7: that want to hurt him, he'll be able to trade, 614 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 7: whether it's anteen money or lawyer advice. He also is 615 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 7: a bigger man, and you know during some of the 616 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 7: Bond hearing his dance, he had scuff marks on his 617 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 7: base and bruises on his hands, so he's already been 618 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,360 Speaker 7: in some bikes when he was in jail. I just 619 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 7: think it's his hubris. I think he thinks that he's 620 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 7: going to be able to align himself with people that'll 621 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 7: protect him. Either he'll financially support them or he's going 622 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 7: to offer ap pellet services. But you know, he didn't 623 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 7: even know what a habeas corpus was, so I'm not 624 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 7: sure I would trust his legal advice and. 625 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 4: Nancy if I could jump in about this, isolation and 626 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 4: loneliness are felt to be more terrible than physical harm. 627 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 4: I mean, look at the Surgeon General came out with 628 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 4: the report today saying that isolation and loneliness are health hazards, 629 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 4: and so you know, part of me thinks that he'd 630 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 4: rather socialize and be harmed than to be isolation. On 631 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 4: the other hand, another skeptical point of view is he's 632 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,839 Speaker 4: going to start a prison ministry or now that he's 633 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 4: no longer using opioids. 634 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 2: Right, you think you can't get drugs behind bars. 635 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 4: That's a good point. But maybe he has fantasies of 636 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,720 Speaker 4: doing good. But I think loneliness, you know, drives people 637 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 4: to do all kinds of things. I mean, look at 638 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 4: the women who are writing him while he's behind bars. 639 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,800 Speaker 4: People who cannot establish relationships in any meaningful way, are 640 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 4: trying to establish a relationship with somebody behind bars where 641 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 4: they already always know who he is, where he is, 642 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 4: they always know what he's doing. At least that's their 643 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 4: fantasy about the situation. So I think the drive to 644 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 4: connect would be a primary motivator here. 645 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 2: Chris mcdoney, you've dealt with so many convicted killers. This 646 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 2: is what Marnock's a lawyer say. Quote Marnock gets along 647 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 2: with prisoners but avoid sex offenders. Gee, I wonder why, 648 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 2: But what about it, Chris mcdonna, He gets along with prisoners, 649 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 2: what does that mean, well, it's. 650 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 8: A facade right where he you know, what he forgets 651 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 8: is the reason he's in PC protective custody. And they 652 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,800 Speaker 8: put these guys into what they call special housing units, 653 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 8: few units within these maximum prisons, and the reason for 654 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:31,800 Speaker 8: that is inside those walls, there's a whole new world 655 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 8: that presents itself and those that come into it, such 656 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 8: as a Murdoch, who believe that you know, they they've 657 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 8: had some law enforcement authority, et cetera. You know, on 658 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 8: the outside that they believe they can use those negotiation 659 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,239 Speaker 8: skills on the inside. He's going to get an awakening 660 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 8: really quickly because just the fact that he has a 661 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 8: access to much more commissary money and I'm talking about 662 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 8: the very small minutia pieces stance see that you and 663 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 8: I and others are very aware of. He's going to 664 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 8: try to play that look, I can, I can do 665 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 8: you favors, but unfortunately that is not going to work. 666 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:18,359 Speaker 8: And my concern with his positioning here is he is 667 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 8: placing himself in severe danger because there's going to be 668 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 8: that one guy that's been in there for twenty five 669 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 8: years before him, and he was put there by somebody 670 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 8: in the Murdoch family and he has got a very 671 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 8: short memory and if he has access to this guy, 672 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 8: I can promise you there will be a problem. And 673 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 8: you know, I know the jail is probably sitting back going, well, 674 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 8: you know what, let's have a meeting about this, because 675 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 8: he may be talking about it, but we don't think 676 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 8: it's in their best interest to move him over. 677 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,919 Speaker 2: Doctor duprey, you're hearing what Chris mcdunn is saying. Could 678 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 2: you tell us, doctor dupree, have you ever had a 679 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,440 Speaker 2: case with someone who is stabbed by a shiev or shank? 680 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 2: What is that? 681 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 10: Yeah, sugar shank anyone. It's a homemade knife, usually a 682 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,560 Speaker 10: short pointing instrument, and yes, I have seen this before 683 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,879 Speaker 10: and they can be lethal, I mean absolutely, and they're 684 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 10: made by prisoners pretty much all the time. 685 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had several cases of stabbings and murders with 686 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 2: a ship or a shank. Jennifer Wood, could you just 687 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 2: describe for us where is Murdoch right now? I can't 688 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 2: imagine why he would want to go in gp general population. 689 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,919 Speaker 6: So he was placed in a protective custody and they've 690 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 6: stated that they are not releasing the location that he 691 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 6: is at. But persons are telling us that he is 692 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 6: located at a maximum security prison called McCormick Correctional Institution, 693 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 6: and it is I mean, it is where the worst 694 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 6: of the worst get sent. 695 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,839 Speaker 8: You have gangs, ab like arian brotherhood, you have all 696 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 8: these other types of you know, clicks withinside of the joint. 697 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,399 Speaker 8: There is what they call it, you're and for him 698 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,279 Speaker 8: to just kind of step into this environment to believe, hey, 699 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,319 Speaker 8: you know, I'm Alex Murdoch. What he's not realizing is 700 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:18,040 Speaker 8: they're very aware of all the problems that have been 701 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 8: that occurred outside and they're not necessarily going to play 702 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,160 Speaker 8: with him. Uh they're you know, they're they're going to 703 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 8: take care of it, and it could be very problematic. 704 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:29,480 Speaker 7: Again. 705 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, those prisoners, like if he is at McCormick, they 706 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 2: don't care who he is or how much money he 707 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,840 Speaker 2: ever had. Uhh, they don't care period. He's just another 708 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 2: victim to them. We wait as justice unfolds. Apparently it 709 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 2: ain't over yet with Alex Murdoch. Goodbye friend.