WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Jean Spangler 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:17.279 Thinking Sideways. I don't stories of things we simply don't 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:22.599 know the answer too. Well. Hi there, welcome to another 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:28.000 episode of Thinking Sideways. I'm Joe, joined as always by 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:33.600 and Steve. Yeah. So you guys ready to solve another mystery? Yeah, okay, 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:38.520 let's roll up our sleeves and start up solving. So, 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:42.519 so this week we're gonna talk about a person named 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:49.880 Jean Spangler Spangler, Jan Spengler. Yeah, so let's let's find 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:53.600 out what her mystery was. Okay. So she was a 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:56.680 dancer and a model who had also done some bit 0:00:56.720 --> 0:00:59.880 parts in movies in the late nineteen forties, and she 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:02.520 lived in Los Angeles. She lived in a two bedroom 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:05.520 apartment with her mother, Florence, and her five year old 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:10.840 daughter Christine. Didn't she also live with her brother in Lawns. 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:14.080 I've seen that little that little nugget out there. But 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:17.080 apparently her brother was actually killed in the war, and 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:19.520 so they were still in good terms with her sister 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:22.360 in law, Sophie, and Sophie was from it was so 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:24.319 Sophie wasn't living there, but she was staying there. She 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:27.559 was from in from out of town on a visit. Yeah, 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:29.840 and so yeah, that would have been pretty crowded to 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:32.320 have everybody living there a full time, you know, But 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:34.080 I think it happens. I think that's what I said, 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:35.720 like on the wiki page for this and had that 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:37.400 on there. I think that was inaccurate. A lot of 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:42.000 a lot of inaccurate stuff in Wikipedia. Yeah, we're not 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:48.040 going to Okay, that's back to our story here. At 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:52.560 the time that our story begins October nine, Jeans Spangler 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:55.720 was twenty six years old. Yeah, I know, and she 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:58.640 had she had been in eight different movies, all of 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:03.000 them uncredited. Yeah, I know. The shame. She had been 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:06.520 married briefly to a guy named Dexter Benner. They divorced 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:09.600 in nineteen six and they had a baby between a 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:12.400 child between them, Christine, and there was a nasty court battle, 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:16.280 and she eventually was awarded custody of the daughter and support. 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:19.760 Well didn't she have to? Wasn't an Initially they awarded 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:23.320 custody to the husband, but he was such a jerk 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:27.160 and kept denying her visitation that eventually said yeah, Well, 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:30.000 the court eventually sided with her and they changed their 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:33.480 mind and gave custody. Hurt. Actually, the divorces interesting. They 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:36.760 were married for like four months. Initially, they got married 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:38.480 when she was nineteen, and they were married for four 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:40.880 months before they separated, and then saw each other on 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:45.640 and off for five years before they divorced. Yeah, come on, guys, 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:56.639 come on, I know that's sad. Kids today, yesterday, Okay, 0:02:56.639 --> 0:03:01.000 back to our mystery. On October seven, Jean left her 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:04.160 daughter with with her sister in law, Sophie. Her mother 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:07.800 was out of town on visiting relatives in Kentucky, so 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:09.880 she said that she had to go see her X 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:12.120 about child support, which she apparently was laid on. Oh 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:15.799 I heard that she wanted to increase the Yeah, I 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:18.920 heard both of those things. Yeah. She also said that 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:20.400 after that she was going to go work on a 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:23.840 night shoot for a film, and uh, well, long story short, 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:26.959 she never came back. She never returned home, and no, 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:29.040 to this day, nobody knows what happened to her, or 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:33.880 probably somebody does, but they're not talking. Yeah. So the 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:36.560 next day, Sophie called the police. They took a report. 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:38.920 They didn't do anything because they figured, you know, it's Hollywood. 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:42.960 People are people are party and all. Probably yeah, yeah, 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:45.520 so obviously they're not gonna waste their time. And again 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:48.680 Sophie is the sister. Sophie is a sister, just making 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:52.560 sure who was watching Christine the daughter, Christine's daughter exactly. 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:56.440 So the day after that Sunday ACTO or nine, Jean's 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:59.160 purse was found in Griffith Park by a park ranger. 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:01.960 The straps on one side had been torn off, would 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:05.440 suggests some sort of violence. Uh, And so this galvanized 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:08.080 the police into action. The next day they got together 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:10.680 a bunch of cops, like sixty cops and the hunters 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:15.400 plus volunteers and started combing Griffith Park and they found nothing. 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:17.440 I think the search one on for three or four days. Well, 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:19.920 and Griffith's Park is a bit was a big park. 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:23.600 It was like it's I think it's more than that. 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:27.040 I just remember it. It was just a huge area 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.679 to have to search. And I don't think they searched 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:32.320 the entire park. This is at one specific Yeah, I'm 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:35.680 sure they comed the area around. Yeah, I'm sure they 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:37.640 won the ways, but yeah, that I mean searching that 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:39.800 entire park. Oh my god, they'd be like searching Forest 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:44.600 Park like yeah, it's huge, Yeah, it's really huge. Okay 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:46.920 back to the purse, Uh, it had no money, and 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:49.520 except for a silver dollar which was her lucky charm. 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:55.000 Yeah fail. Yeah, but her sister law said that she 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:56.799 had had no money and when she left on Friday, 0:04:56.800 --> 0:04:59.040 So it doesn't look like roberts a motive and she 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:01.159 of course see that was when you're doing things like 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:03.480 having bit parts and as an extra in the movie, 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:08.120 you're not really making a lot of money. Yeah. Yeah. 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:10.320 So everything there was an I D. And the usual 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:13.280 stuff you'll find your purse. The big, the big out 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:16.800 of interest was a note which read Kirk can't wait 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:19.880 any longer going to see Dr Scott. It will work 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:23.240 best this way while mother is away, and it ends 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:25.440 with a comma, as if she'd been interrupted while writing 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:28.120 writing it. Although I've seen a photograph of the note 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:29.960 and I can't really tell. It looks to me like 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:34.280 it could just easily be a period that Yeah, so 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:37.000 I don't really know. Although you would think you would 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:38.760 sign a letter, yeah, I was, I was, I was 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:40.960 taking there would at least be initials at the bottom 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.080 and signs nothing now yeah, so it does have a 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:47.600 certain unfinished quality to it. On October twelve, this was 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:50.440 the Tuesday following or not excuse me, The Wednesday, following 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:53.080 the LP you got a surprise phone call from none 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:58.520 other than Kirk Douglas. Kirk Douglass. You don't know Kirk douglast, 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:00.960 I don't know why. Why do I know Kirk Douglas. 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:05.960 She's the father of Michael Douglas Spartacus Pass to Glory 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:12.279 PASTI glory. You are so killing me. The generational gap 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:16.880 really is making me feel old right now. Yeah, he was. 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.799 He was the one who was in Spartacus, not Michael Douglas, 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:22.719 was not the one that it was Kirkuk. So yeah, 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:25.560 then I know who he is. Yeah, okay, alright. It's 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:28.680 also sometimes just fun to do that blank stare with 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:33.520 you guys, so we both freak out. Not nice, it's fun, 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:37.760 it's fun. I did have heard of Kirk. Yeah. So anyway, 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:40.560 Kirk DA says, you all know it was a famous 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:43.520 movie star. So he phones him up just out of 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:45.560 the blue and tells him he totally was not the 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:48.680 Kirk that the note was addressed to. So he's just like, hey, 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:51.520 l A. P D. What's up. Yeah, that Kirk that 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:57.920 it's not me? Yeah, okay, that's suspicious. Maybe Yeah. James 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:01.000 Spangler had had a bit part of him movie recently 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:03.039 that Douglas started and called young Man with a Horn, 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:08.560 also starring Laura McCall and Doris Day, and apparently Delas 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:11.320 said that he had heard about it. Somebody that he 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:13.480 knew that he was acquainted with, had read about this, 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:17.360 recognized the name checked she was in the movie, and 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:21.440 mentioned it to him some studio exactly. Otherwise, Yeah, those 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:24.080 guys are probably always putting out little fires and stuff 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:26.920 like that, you know, so they probably said, you said, hey, 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:28.600 you know, talk to you Laura, then call the cops 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:31.200 and get get out ahead of this story. So I'm sure, yeah, 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:33.840 this is I mean, this is before like us Weekly 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:38.040 right then, like Kirk Douglas or well, there there's always 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:41.400 been those those Hollywood dirt rags though, where they're always 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:44.240 trying to find stuff about people. So you I can 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:46.920 imagine that they, as Joe put it, they're they're putting 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:50.480 out fires way ahead of time before those guys can 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:52.800 even get to Yeah, although I guess it seems like 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:55.600 the sort of thing that like you would figure out 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:58.000 a way, like your publicity manager would probably figure out 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:00.360 a way to like on the low down and let 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:02.800 the l a p. D. Know hey, we're just trying 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:04.800 to get out had this point, you know, it's not him, 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:07.360 instead of like personally phoning the l A p D 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:10.320 And being like, hey, guys, this is totally unsolicited, but 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:13.520 it's not me. Well it's it's really interesting too. So 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:16.080 he phones, like the senior investigator and I'm sure you 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:19.400 got some you know, some secretary or something or something 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:28.800 like that. Can I tell him he's calling Kirk Douglas. Yeah. Yeah, 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:33.720 by the way, as your refrigerator running. Uh so, uh 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:36.080 he just he told the police that he remembered talking 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:38.280 to her on the set a little bit, but that 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:40.360 other than that, he didn't know her personally at all. 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:43.880 When Jean's mother got back from Kentucky, she told police 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:46.760 that Jean had actually dated a guy named Kirk and 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:49.360 had gone out with him at least twice, but that 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:51.320 she didn't know his last name and had never met 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:53.880 him and knew nothing about him. So that was it. 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:56.320 So it could have been another Kirk. Oh that's right, 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:59.080 that's right, because this guy he always he stayed in 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:01.800 the car and she out and met him, so the 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:05.800 mother never could get a good look at him. Well, 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:09.480 on the other hand, if I were famous actor Kirk Douglas. 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:12.000 I don't know that. I would be like, you probably 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:13.480 want to keep it on the day. Yeah, I wouldn't 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:16.280 be like flaunting it around. I don't know. I don't 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:18.960 know what his like marital girlfriend status was at the time, 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:23.680 but I believe he didn't have one. I don't know. 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:25.880 I haven't done any research on him. Actually, I mean 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:27.880 I did a little bit, and I covered some some 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:31.480 unsavory thing. I'm sure we'll get into that later, but 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:33.800 I wasn't really got to bring that up very much 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:38.080 because I was so and then this is this episode 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:41.160 is not about Kirk Douglass anyway. Next scept his behavior 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:46.640 was my suspicious Gina. As far as dating, apparently she 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:49.320 was dating somebody knew at least a couple of weeks 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:52.320 before her disappearance. Um and but it turned out that 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:53.960 the cops tracted and he turns out he was a 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:57.360 writer named Peter Brooks, so nobody named Kirk. All right, 0:09:57.480 --> 0:09:59.800 that's the high level part of it. Now, I'm gonna 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:01.640 go I can get in a little bit more detail 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:06.120 without being tedious about it than nothing, of course, I know. 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:08.720 So I'm gonna give you a little a little brief 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:11.319 timeline here there her seventh five o'clock to five thirty, 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:13.480 and I've seen both of them, depending on where you 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:16.280 read about this. She leaves the apartment, she's gonna go 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:19.720 see her ax and then gonna go to a movie. Shoot. Uh, 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:22.200 six o'clock. She's seen at the farmer's market at Third 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:24.600 and Fair Fact, which is about eight hundred two thousand 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:27.839 feet in north of her apartment, so pretty close by. 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:30.400 And there was a clerk there who saw her hanging around, 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:33.600 said she was there for around ninety minutes, just browsing, 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:37.040 started hanging out, and the clerk said that he got 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:40.040 the impression that she was waiting for somebody. I didn't 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:42.960 talk to her, but just got that impression. And that's 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:45.640 how do you get that? Okay, Well, I don't understand that. 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:49.080 If it's a farmer's market, and I've been to farmers markets, 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:52.600 what do people do. They wander from booth to booth 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:56.400 and they check out the wares and the goods. So 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:00.160 what I don't get is how does that infer or 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:03.320 that I'm waiting for someone? I mean, I mean she 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:05.760 was probably like looking at her watch, or look checking 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:08.120 the door regularly or something like that. I mean, I 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:12.000 think that what we classify as a farmer's market isn't 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:14.880 Whether it is classified as a farmer's market in the 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:18.440 mid forties late I don't think. I don't think that 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:20.040 that's the same thing. I don't think it's the same 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:23.040 sort of like street hair situation. I'm not really sure, wrong, 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.720 but you know in l A they have that famous 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:28.400 it's not like a farmer's market, but it's kind of 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:31.160 a it's a mall that's attached to what used to 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:33.760 be a farmer's market, and it's it's booths and stuff 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:36.760 like that, but it's really it's like lots of storefronts together. 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:38.840 I can't remember what it's called, right, and I'll be honest, 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:43.040 called the farmer's market place is still in the same spot. 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:45.000 It's still called the farmer's market. I don't know if 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:47.640 it looks the same. It looks it looks kind of demolished, 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:49.000 but it looks like some of the buildings are kind 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:51.920 of old. There's a lot of new construction around it, 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:53.240 but it looks like at least a few of the 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:57.360 buildings are old wooden buildings. Yeah, I mean I think that, Yeah, 0:11:57.440 --> 0:11:59.440 I think we're talking about the same kind of place. 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:02.600 Maybe maybe to the farmer's market. Maybe it's not, but 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:05.720 it's you know, it's it's like booths. It's kind of 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:07.839 more like a boardwalk, I think, is maybe the way 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.680 that I would describe it. Lots of like storefronts, not 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:13.440 like somebody's just like brought their little car to food 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:15.559 and like set it up under a tent, which is 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:17.240 kind of what I think of with like a modern 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:20.760 day farmers you know. So I think you can kind 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:23.400 of say like it's all surrounded, you know, it surrounds 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:25.880 a square kind of area. It's easy to just kind 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:30.319 of be loitering and wandering, and especially if you're doing 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:32.319 it for ninety minutes and you really don't ever buy 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:35.000 anything and you kind of just are looking like it's 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:39.120 interestedly in things, I think it's easier to like you. 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:41.720 I think it's possible to say I'm sorry all that 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:44.440 to say. I think it's very possible to say it's 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:47.480 it'd be pretty easy to say that person was just 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:54.120 waiting for somebody. Yeah, long explanation, sorry, alright. Seven Back 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:57.120 to our timeline. Seven o'clock, She calls home to check 0:12:57.160 --> 0:13:00.520 on her daughter and says that she'll be home later 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:03.440 and talked to Sophie of course. Yeah, so obviously from 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:05.280 a pay phone in the Farmer's market, because she didn't 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:08.560 leave there until about seven thirty Okay, by the time 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:10.400 she left, of course, it would be dark. I checked 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:16.560 sunset on that day. It was six thirty pm, let's 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:20.080 be specific. Yeah, and not that you know, not that 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:22.280 it matters all that much, but you know, it's just 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:26.199 easier to murder people when it's dark out. Yeah, okay. 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:29.800 Her next sighting was six hours later October, the wee 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:32.560 hours of October eight, Saturday morning, one thirty am, she 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:34.439 was seeing at a table in a restaurant called the 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:39.319 Cheese Box at Sunset and Laurel Canyon Um sitting with 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:42.280 the dark like a tall neat man as he was described, 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:45.080 with dark hair, thirty thirty five years old. And by 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:47.000 the way, the location of the Cheese Box is about 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:51.040 two miles north of her apartment, so far away from home. Yeah, 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:53.200 she might have got a ride, cut a bus, but 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:55.160 she could have easily walked it in that time. How 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:58.240 I'm doubting she did. She was still at the Cheese Box. 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:01.400 Apparently at two thirty am a different eye wouldness saw 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:03.200 her there. But she was sitting sitting at a different 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:05.640 table and arguing with with a couple of guys. And 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:08.760 of course, let's some of these sightings. Let's let's face 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:14.600 it might not have been her after yeah, yeah, after yeah. 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:16.959 So I'm I'm pretty convinced the guy at the farmer's market, 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:19.280 since she lifts up close by, I probably knew her, 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.280 it was familiar with so that was probably an accurate one. 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:26.560 So anyway, early that morning, it's just kind of vague. 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:30.080 She A gas station attendant reported that a convertible with 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:33.120 a man and a woman pulled in for gas, and 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:36.040 of course, at this time, her disappearance had not yet 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:39.320 hit the papers, so he had but apparently she reportedly 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:42.360 looked like Jeanne, and the guy in the car said 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.080 that they were going to go to Fresno. And yet 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:46.520 as they drove away, the woman yelled, how the police 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:49.760 follow this car? So the attendant called the cops, but 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:52.600 the cops were not able to find the car. It 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:57.000 probably was a joke. You know, is your refrigerator running? Really? 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.480 I mean, you know, it's like early morning. She's probably 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:03.920 drunk and just like think this would be whole area. 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:07.280 It's really like who's gonna how are they gonna? Yeah, 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:09.360 I think that probably that stuck in his mind a 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:11.080 little bit, and finally when he picked up the papers 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:14.000 and saw her picture heard about the disappearance, he started 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:16.640 his memory. His memory probably played a little trick on 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:19.400 him there. But then at the same time, maybe it 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.479 was her. I'm doubting it. So it's Saturday, same Saturday, 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:25.920 somewhere between six pm and ten pm. Her purse is 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:29.040 dropped at the Ferndale entrance to Griffith Park, which is 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:32.000 three and a half miles northeast of the cheese Box, 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:35.280 and the timeline for that particular the one was. But 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:37.080 the guy who found it I think his name was 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:39.880 Henry Angle. He was a park ranger, and he didn't 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:43.480 find it until Sunday, the day after. And so I'm 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:46.000 not sure why he's so sure it's between six and ten. 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:48.800 I mean, maybe he was by there at at six 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:51.840 pm on Saturday and didn't see it there and then 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:53.960 and then maybe perhaps they closed the park at ten 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:55.640 o'clock and shut the gates. I don't know, And that's 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:58.000 the only way I can think of that he knew 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:01.640 that if they closed the gates it would have been 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:03.080 there and they would have seen it when they closed 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:06.720 the gates. Well, I don't think it now. I don't 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:08.480 think it was right by the gates. It was about 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:11.040 ten feet inside the entrance here. So it just seems 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:12.600 like that. I mean, you do a patrol, like if 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:15.080 you close the gates to a park, you you close 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:18.040 the gates. But but you know, I mean gates to 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:20.640 a park. I doubt mean that the thing is got 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:23.200 a cyclone fence around it, and it's a tall chain 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:26.400 link fence. It's probably just bars across the road. But 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:31.440 any any goofball can walk by or stop and throw 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:35.080 something into the bushes in totally totally. So yeah, I 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:37.320 think that I think that this this is kind of shaky. 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:40.160 And also I went and looked at the park entrance 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:41.680 on Google street View. You know, you know me, I 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:44.560 always have to do that every story. I didn't see 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:48.040 any evidence of massive, massive chain link fences or anything 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:51.640 like that. Well, I mean a park that big. I mean, 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:53.880 trying to close a park like that off, you forget it. 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:57.040 How you can close parks like that? You know they 0:16:57.040 --> 0:16:59.640 do this with Washington Parker for Forest Park in Portland 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.600 closed the roads so that car traffic can't get through, 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:06.800 but pedestrian traffic there's no So they just don't even 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:10.440 try anymore. It's not worth it, Okay. Next to our timeline, 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:14.439 October nine, nine am, a Fresno man saw her in 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:18.280 a in a bar in Fresno with a man, and 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:22.560 so apparently once again, so this is October nine, she 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:25.240 still has not hit the papers. Apparently she was saying 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:26.919 she was his nine am. She's sitting in the bar 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:29.080 with a guy and said something on the order of like, 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:30.920 you know, I just had the worst night of my life. 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:33.959 I don't she said that to this guy or if 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:36.080 he overheard her saying it. I think I think he 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:40.400 overheard her. Uh, And so I don't really, I don't 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:43.600 really believe Again, this guy, this guy was hanging out 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:46.000 the bar, probably had had a few of himself at 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:51.480 nine a less seriously, that might be one reason the 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:54.679 police discounted this and didn't take it too seriously. Okay, 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:58.000 So anyway, that same day the purse is found, and 0:17:58.119 --> 0:17:59.879 of course that guess the police all hot and bo 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:02.480 there and they started to search the next day, Monday, October. 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:07.200 That same day, October ten, David ogul Uh, who was 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:09.920 a guy that Jean reportedly dated for a while or 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:13.679 hung out with at least he disappeared too. He was 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:16.160 an associate of an l A gangster named Mickey Cohen, 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:20.280 another one of his another one of the gang, Frank Nicole, 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.440 had managed about a month before. But these guys actually 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:27.159 had reasons to vanish. They were under indictment. Trying to 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:30.760 remember what they were indicted for. Conspiracy was the official 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:33.560 chart for that. I don't know. Conspiracy to what you know, 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:37.320 I mean, conspire about all sorts of things. Hard to tell. 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:41.480 May I remember seeing that and looking at it, to 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:45.919 the life of me, remember what it was. Yeah. October eleventh, 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:48.920 Jean was cited by three three waitresses at a restaurant 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:52.600 in Monterey. You guys know where water is, right, California? Yeah, 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:55.959 somewhere in California. I just wanted to make sure we 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:58.439 were talking, still talking about California. Still in California. But 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:00.400 that's that's a ways up the coast from l It's 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:03.120 almost to San Francisco. Well, I mean it's not as 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:07.280 though you can't like drive that far. I mean technically 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:11.000 drive from Portland to l A in one day. Yeah, Yeah, 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:13.000 I wouldn't want to try to remember the speed of 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:16.520 travel of cars in the roads at that time. But 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:18.560 given a couple of days l A to the Bay Area. 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:22.800 I'm not just because we go to Portland, l A. 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.400 In a day now doesn't mean that was the case before. 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:28.560 But to say, like it seems impossible that she could 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:33.880 have made a depressn terray like and a half. Yeah, 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:37.920 even without inter State five, it could be done. So 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:41.240 her next setting October twelfth, so somebody reported that he 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:43.920 saw her at a bus depot in Stockton. I actually 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:49.320 don't know where Stockton is, California, central central California, like 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:54.160 just like maybe a hundred miles east of San Francisco. Okay, yeah, yeah. 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:56.160 Of course on that same day that the famous movie 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:58.320 guy Kirt Doutlist called the police up its where it 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:03.480 totally wasn't him in that note. Next day, October, she 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:06.040 sided Geane. That is a sided in North Hollywood by 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:08.800 Shirley Anne Morris, who was a thirteen year old girl 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:11.520 who knew Gene. Apparently they were friends, and so this 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:13.760 might be a more reliable sighting. Although what she was 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:15.639 doing hanging out in North Hollywood I don't know, But 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:19.359 apparently Shirley saw her in a car with an older 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:21.720 looking guy, and she looked nervous and frightened. I bet 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:23.840 Shirley was an actress. Don't you think she was also 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:27.480 like a bit actress? Don't you think? I mean? I 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:29.560 think I thought she was a schoolgirl. But hey, maybe 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:31.400 maybe that's how they knew each other from the movies. 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:34.879 From she that she had done some bit parts in movies, 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:36.920 that she had also been a bit part. Maybe Jean 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:40.800 played her mom once they but that might be a 0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:44.359 more reliable sighting. I don't know. And after that, no, 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:47.600 no major sightings reported. In October eighteenth, the police called 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:50.760 off the investigation. Yeah, they said they believed that she 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:54.119 had just taken off and was ten days later, right, 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:57.159 that let's be they didn't. They didn't really start their 0:20:57.200 --> 0:21:03.200 investigation until the ninth, nine days later. Yeah cool. Yeah, Hey, guys, 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:04.880 if I ever disappear, I want you to make sure 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:07.040