Speaker 1: The Danny Masterson of it all. I've had an education
Speaker 1: on something I knew nothing about. I've thought all about this.
Speaker 1: I've thought about so many aspects of it. I knew
Speaker 1: Danny Masterson as a name who was on a show,
Speaker 1: and then in the background a guy who was accused
Speaker 1: of rape. So all of a sudden, the headlines are
Speaker 1: saying that he's convicted of raping multiple women. And then
Speaker 1: started seeing headlines about Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher, which
Speaker 1: I'm now learning made the convictions bigger, like they brought
Speaker 1: more attention to something that might have gone away in
Speaker 1: a few days. They got killed and dragged because they
Speaker 1: wrote a letter to a judge to reduce a sentence,
Speaker 1: along with Billy Baldwin and some other people, because Danny
Speaker 1: Masterson's mother asked this of them. I don't I know
Speaker 1: that Ashton was a very close friend of Danny Masterson,
Speaker 1: maybe a best friend. They've worked together, they ran together,
Speaker 1: they dated girls together. They were in the same bro
Speaker 1: pack that I guess I'm now hearing at tof for Grace,
Speaker 1: who I love and interviewed, was not in So people
Speaker 1: are speculating as to why Mila and Ashton would get involved.
Speaker 1: And I initially thought, I understand why the mother reached out,
Speaker 1: and I initially I didn't think that deeply into it, thought, oh,
Speaker 1: he's kind of reaching out because maybe his friend he
Speaker 1: believes will have been punished and suffered and pay the price.
Speaker 1: And I kind of like almost understood it. I wasn't
Speaker 1: really paying that much attention. And then I humanized it
Speaker 1: and personalized it daughters of mothers and future mothers, and
Speaker 1: like I was with Paul and he was reading it
Speaker 1: to me, and I thought, what the hell. I started
Speaker 1: digging down into the timeline and then thinking about them,
Speaker 1: thinking about this guy free for all of these years,
Speaker 1: with a kid and a wife, going to Starbucks, living
Speaker 1: his free life for twenty years while they knew this,
Speaker 1: and they were, or at least some of them were,
Speaker 1: in scientology and kind of being told they would handle
Speaker 1: it behind the scenes and not through law enforcement, and
Speaker 1: that they had one of them had to meet with
Speaker 1: Danny Masterson and it was all like hush hush, and
Speaker 1: it's so Hollywood, hush hush. It's like very Harvey Weinstein,
Speaker 1: very nda, very paid people off, very belittling, very entitled
Speaker 1: Hollywood money man, power, and like, I got really angry,
Speaker 1: and it triggered me, and it made me think of
Speaker 1: so many things in my own life and in my
Speaker 1: own childhood that I've never discussed, and I would if
Speaker 1: I were those And I didn't know how rare convictions are,
Speaker 1: but of course they are, because it occurred to me
Speaker 1: how often people won't even say something because they know
Speaker 1: no one will believe them, And then if someone does
Speaker 1: believe them, which they won't, or belittles them, how are
Speaker 1: they going to prove it? How are they going to
Speaker 1: get a conviction? And then I started hearing about how
Speaker 1: rare it is to get a conviction, the odds of
Speaker 1: getting a conviction, and that like, then these girls who
Speaker 1: are human beings, who were raped and held a gunpoint
Speaker 1: and drugged with vomiting their hair, that they saw a
Speaker 1: conviction and after all these years they feel a validation
Speaker 1: and a freedom and a vindication after having to suffer
Speaker 1: with this man paying no price, and with his wife
Speaker 1: and then his wife's siblings husband Billy Baldwin, because Shina
Speaker 1: Phillips is married to Billy Baldwin and China is Biju Phillips,
Speaker 1: Danny's wife's sister, I know that was long winded, but
Speaker 1: who cares? But so writing letters and this guy just
Speaker 1: walk in the streets and then they have to hear
Speaker 1: this really powerful couple that like are an architectural digest
Speaker 1: and have hundreds of millions of dollars who were part
Speaker 1: of his bro pack write letters to like belittle the
Speaker 1: sentencing and what they went through. It's effectively belittling that.
Speaker 1: It's a belittling the justice system that they fought so
Speaker 1: hard to make work for them, that they thought would
Speaker 1: never work for them, and that they were in the
Speaker 1: scientileogy culled it all is crazy. So Lea Remedy wrote,
Speaker 1: spoke out, and then I thought about what she said,
Speaker 1: and when Christina Ricci said about just because these douchebag
Speaker 1: grows that are sometimes nice to us doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: they're not pieces of shit. And if I were those girls,
Speaker 1: I'd want him to die and suffer and rot, not
Speaker 1: just like go to jail, but to suffer, and every
Speaker 1: day I'd want him to suffer more like that's the truth,
Speaker 1: not really any compassion, just complete wanting him to suffer.
Speaker 1: And so and I know that because I was and
Speaker 1: this is I need to put a period at the
Speaker 1: end of the sentence and start a new sentence. I
Speaker 1: was abused for ten years. I was emotionally, verbally, mentally tortured,
Speaker 1: hundreds of emails to the point where there was a TRORO,
Speaker 1: there was an arrest, and for years lawyers and people said, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think he can prove it because
Speaker 1: he's not like putting cigarettes out on you, and it's
Speaker 1: just that someone being a complete asshole and a dick.
Speaker 1: It ruled my life. It ruined my life. It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter that I had money. You can't make judges move
Speaker 1: more quickly or lawyers do things more quickly because you
Speaker 1: have money. And if you have family involved in a situation,
Speaker 1: you have to tread more lightly than if you're just
Speaker 1: a normal solo person. And you get put on gag orders.
Speaker 1: People use like gag orders so you can't speak and
Speaker 1: NDAs so you can't speak and say things that have
Speaker 1: happened to you. And many people, including myself, get intimidated
Speaker 1: and think that like, you can't speak your truth about
Speaker 1: what's happening to you because there'll be some sort of ramifications,
Speaker 1: and you have to be able to speak your truth
Speaker 1: if you're being abused, and I don't know why. I
Speaker 1: was told by so many successful lawyers that I had
Speaker 1: to keep quiet about certain things happening to me because
Speaker 1: I was under an NDA and a gag order. And
Speaker 1: it's like an abusive power And often when a person
Speaker 1: isn't doesn't have MONE and they're dealing with someone who does,
Speaker 1: it's often the person who feels like they're not in
Speaker 1: the power position, so they'll do anything and by any
Speaker 1: means necessary, get the power position. I've been told, you're ugly,
Speaker 1: you're old, you're a hag, you're disgusting. I've had a
Speaker 1: person crawl into bed next to me and stare at
Speaker 1: me and refuse to get out and do and follow
Speaker 1: me and hack me and email ad nauseum people around
Speaker 1: me to the tune of multiple seas and desist And
Speaker 1: had to get law involved in hundreds and hundreds of
Speaker 1: abusive emails and texts and anti semitism and just abuse
Speaker 1: and taunting and trauma and in front of you know,
Speaker 1: there's certain things I don't want to say because of
Speaker 1: my position as a parent, but like real mental trauma.
Speaker 1: And I had notebooks with sections, different sections about different
Speaker 1: types of abuse, and I was extremely organized and had
Speaker 1: copious notes, and I did it myself. I got that
Speaker 1: all together. I got that all organized, and I was
Speaker 1: threatened and I took it to the police, and it
Speaker 1: went all the way to the district attorney, and it
Speaker 1: was a tro and it was an arrest, and I
Speaker 1: was abused. And I don't talk about it enough because
Speaker 1: it helps people to know that someone like me, who
Speaker 1: has power and influence and money, was tortured and tortured
Speaker 1: because I'm a public person, and that I would be
Speaker 1: that this person would have me in a corner crying
Speaker 1: and my publicers would be crying because blackmail and took
Speaker 1: all these emails that were hacked into that we're going
Speaker 1: to use against me, Like it was a nightmare. And
Speaker 1: the reason I say this is that I know that
Speaker 1: some of you know this that like it affects you
Speaker 1: for years after, like you have a like a flint reflex.
Speaker 1: You think like there are certain things that you were
Speaker 1: told to you about how disgusting you are, and how
Speaker 1: like certain things that when someone abuses you for so long,
Speaker 1: you kind of even though you know it's wrong, it's
Speaker 1: been repeated so many times that you like feel like
Speaker 1: it's true. And it's the upside down also, where you
Speaker 1: just you're trained to be treated a certain way and
Speaker 1: told that, and then you have inability to trust other people.
Speaker 1: You're just always waiting for someone to fuck you over
Speaker 1: and be abusive, and you really have a lack of
Speaker 1: ability to trust. And I grew up in a household
Speaker 1: where I've seen like wrist slashing, the cops at my
Speaker 1: house all the time, a woman be dragged down the
Speaker 1: hall and beaten with a phone, you know, and called
Speaker 1: the sea word, and had you know, knife fights and
Speaker 1: punching of fists through glass and like just crazy stuff
Speaker 1: that I've seen, like really bad. I've seen guns. I've
Speaker 1: had the mafia chasing after members of my family, like
Speaker 1: I've seen cocaine use and like gambling to another level.
Speaker 1: And I never say it out loud, Like the way
Speaker 1: I was raised is despicable. I shouldn't have been at
Speaker 1: nightclubs at thirteen. I shouldn't have been alone. Yeah, at nightclubs.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have been alone with men that work as
Speaker 1: gamblers or jockey agents or bookies at the race track
Speaker 1: as my caretakers. I should That puts you in a
Speaker 1: sexual position that is not appropriate. And will damage you
Speaker 1: for the rest of your life. And I shouldn't have
Speaker 1: been dropped off with horse grooms to live at their
Speaker 1: house for weeks to come. I shouldn't have seen violent
Speaker 1: physical abuse to the point where it would end up
Speaker 1: in hospitalization. And then you'd see the same two people
Speaker 1: having sex and hear it and be around it. Like
Speaker 1: if this stuff fucks you up the rest of your life,
Speaker 1: like sexually, emotionally, all of it. Like, it's just we
Speaker 1: are such fragile yet also strong and survivor creatures, but
Speaker 1: you have to fight. And the fact that these women
Speaker 1: had to fight for themselves. They had to go and
Speaker 1: prove it. It was on them. It was on them, the
Speaker 1: burden of proof of them to provide emails and evidence
Speaker 1: and and and people they told and what happened that
Speaker 1: night and vomit and drugs and guns, and like they
Speaker 1: had to prove it. I'm sure many people said they
Speaker 1: were sluts and liars and all the shit, and that
Speaker 1: the guy that, oh, but he's just a bro, he's
Speaker 1: just a player. He's just like all the shit. It's
Speaker 1: just the onus is on us, and it's often women,
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's a nightmare. But you stay the course,
Speaker 1: you be organized, you have your shit and you pull
Speaker 1: it together, you figure it out, and there is a
Speaker 1: way to get justice. And they got justice. So I
Speaker 1: was wrong to think that it made sense that a
Speaker 1: mother was gonna call Ashton and Mila. I put the
Speaker 1: whole puzzle together, and I was dead wrong, and I
Speaker 1: didn't know so much. So it was at one time
Speaker 1: on social media where I really did experience a dialogue
Speaker 1: and a conversation and learned a tremendous amount. I was
Speaker 1: in a relationship where my daughter and I were in
Speaker 1: a room when a family member overdosed on oxy and
Speaker 1: dinner just went just continued as if nothing had gone wrong.
Speaker 1: The person dropped dead, went to hospital, dropped dead. Shortly thereafter,
Speaker 1: we found out that another family member had been arrested
Speaker 1: by the FBI for being on underage girl pedophile sites.
Speaker 1: And I kept all of this in when wanting this
Speaker 1: to be something that wasn't to be around my child,
Speaker 1: and I just felt like I was stifling things because
Speaker 1: of a gag order. And it's hard when you have
Speaker 1: a child to talk. My daughter doesn't listen to my podcast,
Speaker 1: my daughter doesn't read headlines, thank God, But like, there's
Speaker 1: I'm sure many of you have been in situations with
Speaker 1: really challenging divorces, abusive situations, and you keep your fucking
Speaker 1: mouth shut when you know you shouldn't because you should
Speaker 1: be a person who uses your voice. But using your
Speaker 1: voice isn't always easy because you have other elements. You
Speaker 1: have family members, you have maybe parents. People protect people
Speaker 1: protect parents that abuse them, People protect spouses or ex
Speaker 1: spouses because of kids. Like, there's a million reasons why
Speaker 1: people don't speak up. You guys are so right when
Speaker 1: you say it's not that easy to speak out. It's
Speaker 1: actually true. It's not easy because also you'll be criticized, scrutinized,
Speaker 1: you go on you go on trial, and you have lawyers.
Speaker 1: Then look at your character. So you wore a provocative
Speaker 1: top and hold hell, the cocktail means you weren't raped, Like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck? It's crazy. A lot has provoked me lately,
Speaker 1: A lot has provoked me. This seems unrelated, it's not
Speaker 1: in the same category. But that girl with Quel was
Speaker 1: a person who cheated with a guy on a friend
Speaker 1: it happened, then she was emotionally abused. Like that doesn't
Speaker 1: make that okay. Either like there's just so many things
Speaker 1: that are not okay, and I don't know why that
Speaker 1: this like show, this podcast and interviews and something has
Speaker 1: like broken me open lately, and I just feel like
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not fully speaking my entire truth just because
Speaker 1: I'm treading lightly. But I couldn't sleep last night. I've
Speaker 1: been going to bed really early, and then last night
Speaker 1: I was up till twelve. And it's something about this
Speaker 1: Masterson thing and something about Christina Ricci like dipping in
Speaker 1: and talking like about abuse adjacent to hers. Like we're
Speaker 1: these women that are sort of like dabbling in it,
Speaker 1: and we just we're not ready to just like open
Speaker 1: our mouths and fully be about it because we have
Speaker 1: to understand why, because not everything needs to be said.
Speaker 1: But there's just like if it could help girls know that,
Speaker 1: like you got to fucking fight for it, open your mouth,
Speaker 1: take the heat, take the beating. It's worth it. You
Speaker 1: could get a conviction, a vindication. But it takes a
Speaker 1: lot of work and it takes fortitude. And so it's
Speaker 1: correct that entitled celebrities asking for a reduction would be
Speaker 1: a complete violation. I get that, And then you watch
Speaker 1: these videos going down this rabbit hole of Ashton Kutcher
Speaker 1: saying that he and the skuy Danny had a side
Speaker 1: bet that he, who was nineteen years old, would French
Speaker 1: kiss me Lacunis on the show, and they're all joking
Speaker 1: about it, And I have a thirteen year old daughter
Speaker 1: and they're joking about it because different shit was okay
Speaker 1: back then. Different shit was okay back then, where like
Speaker 1: it was okay to say nice twins to somebody at
Speaker 1: an office about her tits. And you have any idea
Speaker 1: how many producers have tried to sleep with me, how
Speaker 1: many of my fathers, my father's horse trainer friends have
Speaker 1: tried to sleep with me, have groped me, have actually
Speaker 1: done inappropriate things to me as a young girl. That
Speaker 1: like that was a different time, Like you just kept
Speaker 1: your fucking mouth shut. And that's why me too was
Speaker 1: so entirely powerful. There's a reckoning in many areas. So
Speaker 1: it was you know, black lives matter and me too.
Speaker 1: It's not over. It doesn't mean, oh yeah, we got
Speaker 1: through that thing where like white men were the devil
Speaker 1: and the enemies, and we like now we're onto a
Speaker 1: new thing, Like no, we're going deeper. It's not fucking okay.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't okay for two celebrities and I was wrong,
Speaker 1: And it's not okay for a girl to be abused
Speaker 1: emotionally on national intelligence, on national television, you know, and
Speaker 1: people profit off of it. Sorry, it's not it's not.
Speaker 1: When I started this podcast, I said, I checked my
Speaker 1: bank account. I'm good. I have a voice, I have
Speaker 1: a microphone, and my bank account. The checks have cleared.
Speaker 1: So if I go down, I'm going down in a
Speaker 1: fucking blaze of glory having said my truth and not
Speaker 1: just stifling myself all the time for fear of cancelation.
Speaker 1: And you signed up for this. These people didn't sign
Speaker 1: up for all this shit. If you're being abused and
Speaker 1: you're being treated poorly, you're not. You didn't sign up
Speaker 1: for it, no matter what, no matter what you wanted,
Speaker 1: no matter what fame you wanted, no matter what money
Speaker 1: you wanted, no matter what, you didn't fucking sign up
Speaker 1: for it.