WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 022622 Did Ahmaud Arbery's Murderers Get What They Deserved? 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:00.920 And now. 0:00:02.920 --> 0:00:10.119 Watching my mic back like we can strike with waters 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:13.560 from headquarters behind him and the sides in the border. 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:16.400 Now, if you're just tuning in to civic cipher, I 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:18.720 am host Rams's job. I go by the nine key 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:21.800 ward host indeed, and let need you to stick around 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:23.480 a little bit more because we still have a lot 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:26.840 more show in store for you. We will be talking 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:33.360 about the killers of Ahmad Aubrey and their sentence, which 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:39.800 is a rather different outcome. And you know, to be journalists, 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:42.639 we have to be fair to you know, make sure 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:44.720 that we tell the stories, all the stories in the 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:47.440 right way. And so we'll spend some time talking about that. Also, 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:51.559 you know, I come across a lot of data, a 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:53.840 lot of statistics and things like that. So I do 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:55.520 want to tell a story. I believe that it is 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:58.600 the celebration of the black mind. So we're going to 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:01.880 do that for our way black fact and discuss I 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:07.520 named Thomas Fuller aka the Virginia Calculator in a few 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:12.160 more minutes. But first up, we are going to discuss 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:17.440 how to become a better ally, all right, so we 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:22.800 work in mediad indeed, yes, yes, sir, And so this 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:24.319 is going to get a little technical for those of 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:26.920 you who don't really follow media, but there's a company. 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:29.960 It's called Nielsen. Nielsen is the company that gives us 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:35.280 all of our ratings. Let's just know how we're doing. Right. 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:40.200 Nielsen has chosen to become a better ally, and we're 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:42.039 gonna shout them out. I'm going to read this for you. 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:44.640 This is from inside radio dot Com. We're radio nerds, 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:46.840 so we read this sort of stuff, but we had 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:49.000 to share it all right. In a move that will 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:52.440 potentially make radio ratings more accessible to more station owners, 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:55.640 Nielsen has launched a new program geared at helping diverse 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:59.160 owned media companies raise their profile with advertisers and agencies. 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:03.680 This diverse media equity program will also include helping minority 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:06.640 own radio stations to be measured even if they are 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.360 unable to afford a subscription, as well as the launch 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:12.239 of the first ever report on diverse owned media reach 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:16.639 and audience profiles quote. Nielsen is investing in diverse owned 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:19.320 media by getting rid of historical barriers and traditional measurement. 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:22.880 CEO David Kenny said in a statement, advertisers and the 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:25.160 media industry recognize the need to be more inclusive and 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:28.240 want to ensure they reach an audience that is increasingly diverse. 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:30.919 We are leading the charge to develop a consistent framework 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:33.800 and metrics to help demonstrate the value of diverse own, 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:41.200 diverse owned media. What that means basically is information is expensive. 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:43.639 To get ratings to know how your programs are doing, 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:48.960 that's expensive. Right, They're making those ratings more accessible to 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.160 black owned radio stations. 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:51.680 Right. 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:55.680 And for those that follow me a little bit more closely, 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:59.880 you might know that I work with the Black and 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:03.240 Information Network as my Monday through Friday and then my 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:09.399 Saturday or Sunday or whatever day that civic cipher errs 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:13.600 in your city is sort of our passion project. You 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:16.400 and our passion project here one time for the Black 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:22.639 Information Network. Yes, indeed, got to say that. So that 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:27.440 data making its way to black owned radio stations and 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.560 minority owned radio stations, whether or not they can afford it, 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:36.240 is a huge win because it helps those stations have 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:42.040 get more up to speed, have a little bit more 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:44.360 we're talking gospel sting, We're talking stations that you know, 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:47.960 it doesn't really they could do better, They can make 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:51.080 better decisions. These aren't you going to change the landscape 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:53.520 and it's not being unfair. This is this is a 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:56.520 brilliant move and it's a it's a kind move, and 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:59.440 it deserves to be shouted out. So shout out to Nielsen. 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:03.360 And you know, if you want to learn how to 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:05.680 become a better ally, you know, take a page out 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:10.680 of that book right there. All right, moving on, let 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:17.920 us talk about this story from CNN dot com. All right, 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:21.760 A jury has found the three white men who killed 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:24.680 a Maud Aubrey in twenty twenty guilty of all charges 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:28.360 in their federal hate crimes trial, backing the prosecutor's case 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:31.080 that the men chased the twenty five year old through 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:33.839 the streets of a Georgia neighborhood because he was black. 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:38.960 I'm not going to say these people's names, because I 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:44.040 got beef. The men were found guilty of interference of rights, 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:48.320 a federal hate crime, and attempted kidnapping. The verity comes 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:50.320 nearly two years to the day after Aubrey was killed 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:53.520 in the neighborhood outside Brunswick on February twenty third, twenty twenty, 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:57.000 and it's months after the three were convicted in a 0:04:57.120 --> 0:05:04.840 state court in November of all right, so let's bring 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:07.240 ourselves up to speed, so we knew that they were 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:10.080 convicted in the state court. Right then they had to 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:12.680 go to trial, like a federal trial or something like that, 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:17.960 and they were gonna accept some sort of plea that 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:24.839 would have allowed them basically a lenient sentence. You know, 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:27.120 I'll be the first to admit, I'm not a court or. 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:30.640 The idea was that they'd confessed that they did this 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:34.040 for the reasons that they did it, Okay, so accepting 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:36.839 a lesser charge for doing so Okay, Hey, we killed 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:38.719 that guy because he was black, and we'll admit that. 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:40.400 But you guys got to take it easy on us. Cool. 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:43.280 I think you for saying that, because it's hard for 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:43.719 me to say that. 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:46.240 Yeah, And then they were like, nah, we're not going 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:47.680 to take it easy on you for that what you're 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:48.240 talking about. 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:50.560 But I remember that that came out in the news 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:53.160 and a lot of people and sort of our circles 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:55.640 were kind of worried. I thought it was hurt. It 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:57.800 was bad, Yeah, because I was sure. 0:05:57.600 --> 0:05:59.640 That that was the worst thing I'd ever heard of, Like, wait, 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:04.560 what m somebody I think must have felt like I felt, though. 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:10.120 Well, unlike you know, the Kim Potter judge, unlike the 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:19.000 Kyle Rittenhouse judge, this judge in Georgia, or wait a minute, yeah, 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:20.840 I know the judge in Georgia. I'm not sure who 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:22.719 the judge is now, but that judge in Georgia was 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:25.680 a g right. I remember we talked about on the show. 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:28.839 He made the court sit in silence for the amount 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:33.240 of time that the men chased off a mod just 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:35.840 so that everyone in the courtroom would know how long 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:39.040 these people were making the decision to end this man's 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:45.680 life and otherwise interfere with his liberty. Right. This is 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:49.200 one story where we can look at it and say 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:54.640 we don't want to say it's good, because it's not good, 0:06:55.080 --> 0:07:02.159 but we can say, now you're doing your job. I'd 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:07.240 like to say it's good well and should be normal normal. 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:09.040 That's that's what That's what I'm trying to say. It's 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:10.680 not it's not that I want to make it good 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.600 like hahaha, but it's just it's fair. 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:16.200 It's not celebratory in a trivial way. Yeah, that's why 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:18.360 I didn't want to use work goods. It's the sense 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:21.480 of accountability that should exist. You should not be able 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:25.400 to murder people with impunity because you felt like it. Yes, like, 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:27.840 that's not how this is supposed to go, except for 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:29.800 when the victims look like us. 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:32.640 Yeah, disproportionately black people and they don't get the the 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:34.000 perpetrators look like them. 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:37.720 Yeah, we can turn back the page to the story 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:39.800 we just or the segment that we know. 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:43.720 Yeah, because I can. Yeah, No, absolutely, we can rewind. 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:47.600 We gotta view, we can rewind. We have we keep 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:50.920 our shows. Yeah, absolutely, so we can rewind. Okay, never mind, Well. 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:54.720 That reminds me too. By the way, quick blood. If 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.080 you just tuned into the show, or you catch it 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:59.080 halfway through, you missed last week, or you want to 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:01.600 catch up on another Apple, so hit the website, Citecyper 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:03.600 dot com because we do take the radio show and 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:06.840 we make it available for download on your favorite podcasting 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:13.600 platform via our partnership with the Black Information Network pacifica 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:17.480 radio network, iHeartMedia, you know, you name it. We've got 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:19.800 a lot of partners and we have a lot of listeners, 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:23.080 and we appreciate that because we never expected for things 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:26.320 to get to where they are, and now we're starting 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:29.320 to feel a little bit more indispensable in the media space, 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:31.160 at least for the things that we talk about, and 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:33.880 that's because of the support of our listeners. So we 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:36.040 hope we continue to do right by you and we 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:38.760 continue to be fair in this space. That's why I 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:43.040 love the fact that you're realistic and I'm optimistic, because 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:44.640 I can't have my head in the clouds and we 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:48.120 can't just be dooming gloom all the time either. So anyway, 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:53.760 back to the story, here's a quote, thank God for 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:57.559 this good morning that Wanda and Marcus have prayed for. 0:08:57.800 --> 0:08:59.880 I'm imagining Wanda and Marcus are the parents of them all. 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:03.600 It is because of their conviction to get full justice, 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:07.200 not partial justice, that we get to celebrate this moment. 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:14.720 Attorney Ben Crump told reporters the gentleman who took Ahmud's 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:17.720 life had agreed to plead guilty before a trial, but 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:21.400 the judge overseeing the case rejected the deal after Aubrey's 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:23.679 family raised concerns that the resulting sentence could lead to 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:26.920 favorable imprisonment conditions. That's what I was trying to say earlier. 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:33.000 US Attorney General Merrick Garland, responding in Washington Tuesday to 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:36.200 a reporter's question about Cooper Jones's statement appeared to choke 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:38.680 up as he answered, quote, I cannot imagine the pain 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:40.920 that a mother feels to have her son run down 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.640 and then gunned down while taking a jog on a 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:47.320 public street, Garland said at a Justice Department news conference. 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:50.520 My heart goes out to her into the family. That's 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:58.000 really all I can say about this. Now. I know 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:01.880 we're not talking to these people because I don't imagine 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:05.360 these people listen to the type of stations that carry 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:09.040 this show, and if they do, they certainly probably aren't 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:10.720 listening to our show. But I do want to say 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:16.480 something so that it is said. I've heard this before, 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:18.240 and I may have even shared it on the show before, 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:23.280 but many people in this instance had taken issue with 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:31.360 Ahmud Aubrey his jog quote unquote, and his attire whilst 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:36.200 jogging right that he did not look like a jogger. 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:41.240 Okay, it's funny, we went on a jog earlier. You 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:44.199 stole it from out of my brain. Ramses, go ahead 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:47.040 talking about it. We went for a jog today in 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:52.040 one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in the state of Arizona. Yeah, 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:56.240 we did not look like we were dressed appropriately for 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:56.920 a jog either. 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:58.640 I'm guessing I have. 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:04.920 On almost slacks and a hoodie and a hat and 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:07.400 a jacket, and I didn't. I actually did have on 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:11.000 some runners, and I did not have on jogging or 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:15.840 workout clothes. So I'm sure we could have been none 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:17.480 of us painted with the same brush. 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:21.360 But what were we doing. It was a bona fide jog. 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:23.880 We're taking care of our fitness. We went out to 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.439 talk and discuss business and you know, we have a 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:29.560 lot of business together, and then you know, throw some 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:33.079 ideas around about the show and get some exercise. That's 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:33.680 what we were doing. 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:36.640 And turns out we did some pretty dangerous and I 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:38.880 didn't think about it in that scope until now. 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:42.520 Yeah, man, that's why it was so it's important to 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:44.760 share this too. There was a woman that drove by 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:46.240 us today. You want to tell the story. 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:50.840 Yes, there was a young lady I'll call her, but no, 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.160 a young lady that's old enough to be our mother's 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:54.600 at least. 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:56.480 There you go, and a. 0:11:56.640 --> 0:12:00.640 Very very expensive automobile who gave us a very joyous 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:03.640 smile and a very courteous wave as she passed us. 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:09.559 Okay, stop, stop now. If you're listening to that story, 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:13.640 you think, well, yeah, that's that's normal. Nothing crazy there. 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:19.800 But if you're us in that neighborhood, maybe not dressed 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:22.920 in what. I don't know, who goes shopping for running clothes. 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:24.920 I just run in the clothes that I'm wearing. That's 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:28.960 I You know, I don't I play basketball and jeans 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:31.160 why not? You know, I'm not an athlete, so I 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:34.160 don't need to prove anything. But if you're us and 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:36.520 you hear that story, you're like, wow, that's amazing that 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.160 that's woman who's that age and that type of vehicle 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:41.920 and that type of neighborhood was happy when she saw 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:44.480 you and she waved. This lady was not black, by 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:46.800 the way. Oh yeah, no, she was not black. It 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:49.320 was such a surprise, right, It goes a long way. 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:53.240 So if you're in a surprise because thirty forty cars 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:56.320 drove by us, Yeah, she was the singular smile and 0:12:56.400 --> 0:13:01.960 wave that we got. Yeah. Now, another thing that a 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.920 lot of folks said who took issue with a mod 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:11.079 Aubrey or his jogging in the neighborhood mentioned that he 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:13.680 stopped at a house that was under construction. And I 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:18.720 did say this on the show before if you had 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:22.240 any concerns about that, Well, what was he doing in 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:24.000 that house? You shouldn't have been in that house looking 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:27.760 at the house under construction. He could have been stealing. Okay, 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.120 we're going to check your prejudices right now. Right, if 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:34.080 that's what you believe, you shouldn't have been in that house, right, 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:36.400 which in your mind is very sensible. Why would anybody 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:38.320 go into the house that's under construction unless they were 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:40.800 up to no good? Right in your brain, that seems 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:43.520 like a very reasonable and very sensible question to ask. Right, 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:46.640 We're going to challenge your prejudices right here, Q and 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:49.240 I are going to do that. Do me a favor. 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:59.079 Swap a mod Aubrey for Kelly. What is Kelly's last name? Anderson? 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:03.040 Kelly is the same age as a mode Aubrey, twenty 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:05.600 five year old. Let's make her white. Let's give her 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:07.800 blond hair and blue eyes. Let's make her young, Let's 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:12.560 make her attractive. Okay, So now we've just changed the person, right, 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:17.640 same story, though she's out in a neighborhood where people 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:20.560 may not know her. She goes into a construction site, 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:25.040 checks it out, leaves the construction site. Now, are you 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:26.960 still saying, well, you know, she shouldn't have been in 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.560 the house. You know, she had to have been up 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:32.120 to no good? Are are you still saying that? Because 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:34.680 now she's a white woman with blond hair and blue eyes. Right, 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:37.640 So does personal accountability matter or is it skin color? 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:40.000 Did you learn something about yourself after I said that? 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:46.120 This is what we've been trying to say. Now. I 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:48.800 know on the show, I've shared that once upon a 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:51.960 time I had a house under construction. Once upon a 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:57.720 time before then, even I dreamt of building a house, right, 0:14:57.840 --> 0:14:59.640 I wanted to build this really cool house that I 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:01.600 could have. You know, I've always been into music and 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:03.120 that sort of thing. I wanted a studio. I thought 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:06.120 that'd be so cool. Now I have one. You know, Uh, 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:08.440 this is you know, this is kind of how. This 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:10.600 is how I imagine my future. You know a lot of 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:13.560 folks might recognize you have to imagine things before they 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:16.560 manifest themselves in reality. Right. And one of the ways 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:20.160 that I went about doing this was by engaging wherever 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:22.640 I could. I needed the visual, I needed the tactile 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:25.200 response so that I could know how to piece things 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:27.760 together in my mind, how to formulate a plan and 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:33.160 bring it into manifestation. So I was interested in construction 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:37.080 techniques and how how do you you know, incorporate class 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:40.120 in brick into the same architecture, you know, like those 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:42.520 sorts of things, because those are things you know growing 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:44.480 up in the southwest of the United States, those are 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:46.440 things that you know, we work with the building materials 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:48.240 that are here, that are that are going to last. Right, 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:51.760 So I took an interest in those things. Then later 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:56.000 when I actually bought a house, right, I paid the 0:15:56.080 --> 0:16:01.120 money to the proper, to the need, the home builder. 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:05.040 I designed my house. I picked out the colors, looked 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:08.000 like a castle, was right on the lake. I was, man, 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:11.960 I was doing my thing, man anyway, So I did 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:15.560 this whole thing, and of course it takes a while 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:17.440 for them to actually build the house. I bought the 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:19.560 plot of land. They had my money. You know, everything 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.360 was on the up and out, and this house was 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:25.960 so far away. But because I'm me and I needed 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:27.840 to see it and I needed to feel it, right, 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:30.840 what I do. Whenever I got some free time, I 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:34.360 took that long drive out there to go see my 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.320 house and see how far along they had gotten. And 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:39.680 I'd be there on that plot of land where I 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:42.000 was going to bring my son. I was going to 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:43.760 bring my girl and my family, and we were going 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:46.240 to live. Right. I would see that plot of land, 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:48.360 and then I would see when they put the sticks 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:50.000 in the strings, and then I would see when they 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.520 poured the cement, you know, And I saw where the 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:54.360 driveway was going to go, you know, and then I 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:56.840 saw the wood frames go up. I would go back 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:58.080 and back and back, and I would see all the 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:00.480 supplies laying in the backyard for the pool and every 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:02.560 you know, I saw it all, and i'd go and 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:04.679 I would go and I would go, and what happened? 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:06.520 People would see me there? What is this guy doing 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:08.360 over there? Does he live around here? Who is he? 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:11.000 You know? Well? Is that guy up to no good? 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:13.120 You know? Those are the looks that I got. And 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:15.840 I feel like that's the story that we are seeing here, 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:19.560 because as we now know, this man didn't steal anything. 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:26.199 This man was in fact running, you know, and this 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:28.480 man's life is now over because of these three men. 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:30.639 So I just want to make sure that I said that. 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:40.120 Now let's get back to the these guys that took 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:47.240 his life. Did you hear about the the court proceedings 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:50.800 where they like went through their social media history and 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:54.399 pulled up all of their like racist jokes and things 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:57.040 like that to help kind of establish the character of 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:57.480 these men. 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:04.479 Social media, cell phone records, their normal, their normal, daily 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:09.080 day to day conversations with their practitioners and neighbors and 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:10.399 friends and colleagues. 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:12.400 One of these guys an. 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:17.679 Ex cop right, who disgustingly provided no objection to the 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:20.280 way that these guys thought and spoke. That's actually what 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:23.240 stood out to me the most when they're talking about 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:25.480 the records of these conversations. There's no record of any 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:27.280 of these people been like, Yo, that's kind of wild 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:28.280 what you said there. 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:33.640 Par for the course, And you know what, you might 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:37.400 be listening in Oregon. You might be listening in Vermont, 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:39.359 You might be listening in Texas, you might be listening 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:42.080 in San Diego, might be listening anywhere in the country. 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:45.400 Wherever you are. We appreciate that listenership and the support. 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:51.200 But you might be thinking that doesn't happen here, and 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:53.960 I'm here to tell you that it probably does. 0:18:54.640 --> 0:19:00.680 You can remove the probability, it's not probable, it absolutely happened. Sure, 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:04.800 I try to sadly, it absolutely happened. You know, I 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:09.000 try to give where you are too, but. 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:13.560 I think I think one of these guys was was 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:16.239 an ex cop, right, if I'm not mistaken, I'm not 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:20.040 the eldest, the older of the three gentlemen, like there 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:21.440 was a guy and his son, and then the neighbor 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:26.680 driving a truck. The older gentleman yests upon a time 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:29.800 a police officer. Yes, some relationship with the criminal justice system. 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:37.560 That I'm sure sure, And so it's funny how there 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:40.480 are so many people in this country that will take 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:45.560 this word police and blindly back it. It can do 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:48.760 no wrong, or they might have some concessions. They will 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:51.040 see that hey man, you know there's a few bad apples. Ever, 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:53.520 you know, we'll force that big. You're bound to get 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:56.159 some folks or kooky and whatever. But overall they do 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:59.880 a great job, right, instead of looking at it like, well, 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:02.520 you know what, we have a system in place that 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:12.360 affords opportunities for advancement and fails to punish or thoroughly 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:18.360 vet You know, folks who have harmful beliefs and ideologies 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:24.600 who cannot execute the job fairly equally across the board. 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:30.239 You know, there are people who say, you know, you know, 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:35.120 obviously there's a call, very loud call to defund the police. 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:40.359 There's a group of people who say, no, defend the police, right, 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:47.160 And I believe that the police does not really need defense. 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:51.480 I'm being funny here, because they are the I believe 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:56.040 it's the second largest military force on the planet, or 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:58.679 the third. If you take the police departments in the 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:02.840 United States and put them together, that is the you know, 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:06.000 in terms of tanks, you know, helicopters and all that 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:10.879 sort of stuff. But you know, there are people that 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:13.399 you know defend the police, right, I get it, I 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:14.920 get it. You know you might know someone who's a 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:17.960 police officer. But remember, you know, the person. We're not 0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:24.400 talking about the person. We're talking about the institution, the 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:29.920 machine they are a part of. Right. It is killing 0:21:30.040 --> 0:21:34.280 us literally, and then if it hasn't killed us, it 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:37.960 very much shapes the world in which we live. Right. 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:41.560 I was reading a report on the cash bail system, 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:45.000 just to continue down this path, on the cash bell 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:51.360 system in the United States, and basically the cash bell 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:57.560 system works like this, you could be arrested for allegedly 0:21:57.640 --> 0:22:00.359 doing something. Right. I read a story the other day 0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:04.000 about a woman who her puppy. Her dog gave birth 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:05.480 to puppies at the neighbor's house. 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:06.800 Right. 0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:09.119 She went to the neighbor's house and says, hey, my 0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:12.600 dog is here with the puppies at your house. I 0:22:12.600 --> 0:22:14.560 need my dog back. The neighbor says, no, this is 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:18.200 my dog and those are my puppies. So the lady's 0:22:18.240 --> 0:22:20.160 like no, and then they have to blow back and forth. 0:22:20.800 --> 0:22:22.960 These neighbors call the police on the woman who owns 0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:26.439 the dog. Woman has to go home. Please show up 0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:29.359 at her house and arrest her, take her to jail. 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:34.440 Judge gives her a sixty thousand dollars bond, right which, 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:37.240 if you go to a bail bonds company I didn't 0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:40.840 know this, you have to pay them ten percent. So 0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:43.360 you give them six thousand dollars that you never get back, 0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:49.240 regardless of if you're guilty or innocent, and they will 0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:51.199 put up the rest of the bond for you to 0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:53.879 get out of jail so that you can fight that 0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:58.959