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Speaker 1: Hey, Discos, need a little more disgrace Land in your life,

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Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.

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Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,

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Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.

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Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after

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Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full

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Speaker 1: episode of disgrace Sland to the other, the backyard to

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Speaker 1: dig into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are

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Speaker 1: talking about this week's full episode subject then Lizzie. We

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Speaker 1: also talked some def Leppard, Huey Lewis, Gene Hackman, Odell

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Speaker 1: Beckham Junior, and I guarantee those are four names ever

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Speaker 1: used together in the same sentence before. And we get

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Speaker 1: into your voicemails, text DMS, emails and as.

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Speaker 2: Always, a whole lot of Rosie. All right, Discos, let's

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Speaker 1: The song Jail break off of Din Lizzie's nineteen seventy

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Speaker 1: song as a leadoff track can get, I think. Anyways,

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Speaker 1: I listened to the song yesterday when I was working out,

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Speaker 1: and I was immediately pushing myself harder. I was singing

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Speaker 1: along in my backyard, likely annoying my neighbors. And don't

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Speaker 1: get me wrong, the entire jail Break album by then

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Speaker 1: Lizzie is great, but that leadoff track is fucking perfect.

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Speaker 2: It sets the whole album up.

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Speaker 1: It perfectly encapsulates what the band is about and what's

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Speaker 1: in store for you, the listener for the next forty

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Speaker 1: minutes or so. Thin Lizzie were a tough band to

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Speaker 1: figure out. For me as a young metalhead, I missed

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Speaker 1: their whole thing. I didn't get into him until I

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Speaker 1: was an adult, you know. As a kid, of course,

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Speaker 1: I saw the patches, I saw the pins, I saw

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Speaker 1: the name the band in that iconic, big, bold white

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Speaker 1: font on the black the image, of course, of Phil

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Speaker 1: Linett stretched out on stage with his bass piercing upward

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Speaker 1: also from Jailbreak. Massive song still is massive. I knew

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Speaker 1: and loved it, of course, but it was, like I said,

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Speaker 1: fourth grade kid to get on my mongoose and pedal

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Speaker 1: down the kmart with my ten bucks or whatever to

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Speaker 1: Then Lizzie predated MTV, which pretty much means they predated

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Speaker 1: some of MTV's leading artists. Hugh Lewis says, quote Phil

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Speaker 1: Linett was the single greatest performer I've ever scene. He

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Speaker 1: had incredible stage instincts. We opened for Thin Lizzy and

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Speaker 1: I saw about fifty shows and they were incredible. Now

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Speaker 1: you may be laughing at the idea of Huey Lewis's opinion,

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Speaker 1: and you shouldn't. By the way, Hugh Lewis and the

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Speaker 1: News both great, and you should look into their early days.

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Speaker 1: And my point is, you know, Heugh Lewis has been around,

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Speaker 1: and that's Joe Elliott from the band def Leppard. We

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Speaker 1: the title track Hysteria. I know I'm probably forgetting a few.

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Speaker 1: This album was massive, it was huge. But the Deaf

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Speaker 1: Leopard before Hysteria, the Deaf Leppard record before Hysteri. Pyromania

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Speaker 1: It was produced by Mutt Lang, and Mutt was coming

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Speaker 2: But what Phil line it from Thin.

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Speaker 1: Lizzie heard when he heard def Leppards Pyromania was that

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Speaker 1: That's how impactful the recording of def Leppards Pyromania was

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Speaker 1: Leppard's breakthrough album and then quitting has long been challenged

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Speaker 1: Do I believe Phil Lee had said this, Yes, I

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Speaker 1: I believe he was probably in that bathroom getting high,

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Speaker 1: that discouragement turns into motivation, turns into inspiration. Phil was

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Speaker 1: makes for an interesting story, So there you go. You

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Speaker 1: Turns out there was no foul play, which of course

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Speaker 1: Sean Diddy, Combs, and presumably others, and Odell Beckham has said,

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Speaker 1: in response to the allegations against him, quote, I've been

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Speaker 1: I have never done anything like that, and I would

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Speaker 1: these ridiculous claims against me will be dismissed unquote. Now

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Speaker 1: it's important to note that the woman accusing Beckham here

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Speaker 1: by the way, who is claiming that Combs most definitely

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Speaker 1: And it should be noted that these accusations are not

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Speaker 2: All right, I guess that's the only thing I know.

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Speaker 2: And this whole wild, wild story.

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Speaker 1: That we've been trying to unpack for the last year

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Speaker 1: before it goes to trial, the only thing I know

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Speaker 1: regarding Sean Diddy Combs for sure is that we need

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Speaker 1: to take all of these allegations with a grain of assault.

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Speaker 1: Are these accusations true? Nobody but the accuser and the accused. No,

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Speaker 1: TikTok doesn't know Diddley squat as they say, But hey,

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Speaker 4: Great, This is Dodie Rose from the two oh six

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Speaker 4: with Seattle. I'm calling because my favorite band is you

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Speaker 1: Doty, thank you so much for the for the passionate

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Speaker 3: Hi, this is Jenny from Boston and I'm calling in

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Speaker 3: favorite band Stiff Little Fingers, absolutely adacious, got that punk undertone,

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Speaker 1: Absolutely love Stiff Little Fingers. And you know what I

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you up in Boston. Six one seven nine oh

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Speaker 1: I suggest these prompts June Carter, Pussy Riot, Bonnie Rait, Tina,

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Speaker 1: Mia culpa, if not, start getting excited. If you these

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Speaker 1: You're a force of good. Keep up the humble acknowledgment

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Speaker 1: love it. June Carter, we did a Johnny Cash episode,

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Speaker 1: We could do a Courtney Love focused episode. We did

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Speaker 1: dms us on Facebook, Hey Thin, Lizzie are in a

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Speaker 1: bought jailbreak for me at Christmas. This is my favorite

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Speaker 2: Nicky.

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Speaker 1: Your niece is still thinking about that Christmas gift you

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Speaker 2: Mike, You're absolutely right. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Someone wrote in hijack and you know what, I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to read your name because my name's not Jack.

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Speaker 1: Over on Instagram, JQ writes, there are some great Irish

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Speaker 1: rocky folk. You're a little bit of everything. I've not

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Speaker 1: We mentioned a bunch of artists today that we've done

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