1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: You're listening to the I Heart Radio and Coast to 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Coast a and Paranormal podcast network, where we offer you 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: podcasts of the supernatural and the unexplained. Getting ready now 4 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: for Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. Welcome to 5 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: our podcast. Please be aware of the thoughts and opinions 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions only 7 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: and do not reflect those of I Heart Media, I 8 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: Heart Radio, Coast to Coast AM, employees of Premier Networks, 9 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: or their sponsors and associates. We would like to encourage 10 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,599 Speaker 1: you to do your own research and discover the subject 11 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: matter for yourself. Hi. I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty 12 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: five years, I've been on a journey to prove the 13 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: existence of life after death. On each episode, we'll discuss 14 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: the reasons we now know that our loved ones have 15 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: survived physical death, and so will we. Welcome to Shades 16 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife Today, I'd like you to meet Annette Marnaccio, 17 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: who had some extraordinary experiences that led her into researching 18 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 1: the afterlife. They always seemed to stem from something happening, 19 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: and for Annette it was the death of her mother 20 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 1: at law. She's the author of the book your sole focus. 21 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: You believe in the afterlife, don't you. I just love 22 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: that subtitle and thought we need to hear from Annette. Annette, 23 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Thank you, thank you, Sandra, 24 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me here. I'm very 25 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: excited to be here. Well, we are just as excited 26 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: to have you with us, and that you know your 27 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: story better than anyone. If you wouldn't mind sharing with 28 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: us about who you are, I know you have some 29 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: thoughts about grief and tell us about the book you 30 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: take the floor. I live in New York and my 31 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 1: discipline my profession is a c p A and a 32 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: health care executive, and I absolutely love what I do 33 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: work and career wise, it is not a career that 34 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: one would think would intersect with sort of the spiritual 35 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 1: side of things. That makes my book, I think, all 36 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: the more interesting. But what happened to me is um 37 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: Over a decade ago, after my mother in law died, 38 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 1: she was intent on proving to me that there is 39 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: an afterlife. And when she first started sending those kinds 40 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: of signs and synchronicities, I was a little bit curious, 41 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: like what is going on here. They were actually coming 42 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: a little bit more through my daughter, who was thirteen 43 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: at the time and very earnestly telling me about, you know, 44 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: dreams and things like that, and I was just curious. 45 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: I had not really ever thought about the afterlife before. 46 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: And I was starting to tell a lot of my 47 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: friends and family about some of the happenings that were 48 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: occurring after my mother in law died. And one of 49 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: my very good friends, who I had known for ten years, 50 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: but I guess we had never spoken about the afterlife. 51 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 1: She in a very matter of fact way, she was like, well, 52 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: and that you believe in the afterlife, don't you, which 53 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: is the subtitle of my book. And I was just like, 54 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: I don't know, do you. She was like, of course, 55 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: there's an afterlife, and so that sort of opened my 56 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: eyes to it a little bit. I was just like, 57 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: let me really try and understand this a little bit more. 58 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: And I just asked the quick question, did your mother 59 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: in law say she wanted to get through to you 60 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: before she passed or was it after that you started 61 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: getting the signs? Absolutely after we had. I had no 62 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: discussion prior to her passing about the afterlife at all. 63 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: Some people they do say this is a sign I'm 64 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: going to give you, or this is the code words. 65 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: Can you share with us some of the signs that 66 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: you guys did get. That kind of kind of opened 67 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,119 Speaker 1: your eyes to that there's something to this. Yeah. Well, 68 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: the first um sign that my daughter received was a 69 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: tangible sign. It was physical. It was pompoms. And I 70 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: thought to myself, well, maybe my daughter's making this up 71 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: and this is some type of a coping mechanism. But 72 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 1: she in her art class had she told me pompoms 73 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: that just appeared on her desk. Nobody put them there, 74 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: nobody was around, and they were um within less than 75 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: a week of us burying my mother in law, and 76 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: they were too pompoms, the exact same lavender and ivory 77 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: colors of the balloons we let go with the grave site. 78 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: And so when my daughter was just earnestly telling me 79 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: the story, and we really had not discussed death or 80 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: the afterlife and my family, but she was earnestly saying, 81 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: can you believe this? I wonder how pompoms appeared? And 82 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: I was just like looking at her like could these be? 83 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: Could this be real? Like what's going on? And so 84 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: I was telling everybody the Pompom story, really, and that's 85 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: when my girlfriend of ten years was like, you believe 86 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: in the afterlife, don't you? And so what happened is 87 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: a series of synchronicities. But I think more importantly than that, 88 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: I think my mother in law and many of my 89 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: deceased relatives at that point started very methodically proving to me, 90 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: showing to me that there is an afterlife. So I 91 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: had not really thought about it before, and I think 92 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: they knew with my kind of accounting brain, you know, 93 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: I needed to be walked through it. I needed to 94 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: digest everything, and I wasn't all of a sudden going 95 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: to be like, oh, of course, you know. So they 96 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: really were very methodical about it, which I of course appreciated. 97 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: What I'll tell you the thing that happened for me 98 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: and I for a lot of people, they can sometimes 99 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: trace how they started to understand about the afterlife to 100 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: one specific event. I can certainly do that, because what 101 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: happened was when I told my friends of ten years 102 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: the Pom Pom story and she said, well, you believe 103 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: in the afterlife, don't you. She started telling me that 104 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: she frequented a medium Josephine, who was a local medium. 105 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: But as synchronicity and my deceased relatives would have it, 106 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: um that later that week, we went out, my husband, 107 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: my son, and my recently widowed father in law went 108 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: out to a local restaurant on our main street in town, 109 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: and while we were dining, we were placed at a 110 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 1: table with a very large window, and in that window 111 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: was a very large poster and it said dinner and 112 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: medium show with Josephine, the medium who she just my 113 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: girlfriend just told me about. So I was like, well, 114 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: that's sort of coincidental. It was, you know, maybe in 115 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: the upcoming months. But I went home and I said 116 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: to my girlfriend do you want and another girlfriend too, 117 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: do you want to go to this show? And she 118 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: was like absolutely. I made the reservations and at party 119 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: of three, no other information, not for any reason, just because, 120 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: you know, and I sort of viewed it as some 121 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: type of magic show. I was like, go see a 122 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: magic show. Entertain entertainment. As that day came upon us 123 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: and the three of us went there, the medium Josephine 124 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: came out and I was thinking, oh, she looks so 125 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: nice to be a fraud. I don't know. We all 126 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: had our dinner, and then she the first she related 127 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: to the first you know person. I'm thinking, I how interesting. 128 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: They're probably planted here and they're all crying and relating 129 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: to the stretch. Probably knows them. And then she came 130 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: right over to me and she said to me, um, 131 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,679 Speaker 1: she came right over to our table and she said, 132 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: I have a woman here named Lucille. Lucille was my 133 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: mother's mother in law's name, so it's pretty specific. And 134 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: I was like frozen. I could not take the microphone. 135 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: My girlfriend's kicking me under the table and she is 136 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: going on about Lucille. She's got dark hair with my mother. 137 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: You Basically, she was describing my mother in law and 138 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: she's like, I think it's for someone at this table, 139 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: and I froze. I could not take the microphone. So 140 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: someone at the table next to us said, well, my 141 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: name is Elizabeth, and I gave Elizabeth the microphone, and 142 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: then my mother in law, through this medium, started like 143 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: speaking about my life. And she said, oh, I see 144 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: that you're going to Italy in a couple of months, 145 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: which I had booked Italy in a couple of months, 146 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: and Elizabeth was like, no, I came from Florida, you know, 147 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 1: so um because because it wasn't from for Elizabeth, it 148 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: was from me, but I didn't I was frozen. Um anyway, 149 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: So the medium eventually sort of retreated back and read 150 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: a couple of more people, and they're all sort of 151 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 1: crying and relating to the stories. But my mother in 152 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: law was very intent. She came back again. So the 153 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 1: medium came out back over and said, this woman Lucille 154 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: is here. And so this time I had unfrozen myself 155 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: and raised my hand, and then she said the line 156 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: that was just sealed the deal for me. She said, 157 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 1: Lucille is asking how Rita is. Rita's still here? Right? 158 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: Rita is my mother's name, and my mother and my 159 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: mother in law we're both diagnosed with cancer within a 160 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: week of each other. And when they were both my 161 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: mother is still here. She she made it through my 162 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: mother in law, so come to it. But as they 163 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 1: were both going through their surgeries, their chemo, their radiation, 164 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: each one would always ask us how the other one was. 165 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: Ha's Lucia, how's Rita? Has Lucia? How's Rita? So when 166 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: this medium said, has Rita She's still here, isn't she? 167 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: I was like, Oh my goodness, there's just no way. 168 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: There's just no way. And then she also had, you know, 169 00:09:55,360 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: additional evidential information that nobody could have an own, and 170 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: that was sort of enough to let me say, all right, 171 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: I'll take the reins here, I'm gonna take the reins. 172 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: There's something to this that I need to understand. And 173 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: so that's what I trace it back to. Yes, there 174 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: were a lot of things leading up to me being 175 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: open to it at that point, including the conversation the 176 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: pom poms and the conversation with my my girlfriend prior, 177 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: but that was the thing that I always say like 178 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: tripped the meter for me. It was like, Okay, this 179 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 1: is real. I have to understand this. Yeah, So that 180 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: was that was the thing that did it for me, 181 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people can actually trace 182 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: it back to a particular thing. I want to speak 183 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: a little bit about grief, because you have brought that 184 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: up and not all those stories in the book, but 185 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: grief is in the book. To what I feel about 186 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: grief is I have what I think is an interesting 187 00:10:53,480 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: perspective on grief. I think that grief always always is 188 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: pertains to us wanting something that passed not passed like crossover, 189 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: but like crossover, but anything in the past. And the 190 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: example I like to give is I have two children 191 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: there and there late twenties, mid to late twenties, and 192 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 1: when they were two, three, four or five. I mean, 193 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: they were those a little CUTEI venuties. I just you know, 194 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 1: could like any little child, you just so cute. And 195 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: they don't remember those times. I remember those times. My 196 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: husband remembers those times, my parents remember those times. I 197 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: think those times were for me. I don't think they 198 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: were for them, because I remember them. I can watch 199 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: a home movie and be like, oh, I remember that. 200 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: My kids are like, it's a little far into them. 201 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: So to me, I could actually get lost in the 202 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: grief of the fact that I will never have that again. 203 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: I will never have that again. I would love to 204 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: have those times again. They will not be there. The 205 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: only thing that pulls me out of that grief is 206 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: the fact that I can speak to them now in 207 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: their twenties, in the mid twenties. That pulls me through 208 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: the grief. But that feeling of grief is as real 209 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: as real gets. And my kids are still alive, Thank goodness. 210 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: When somebody loses someone, I think they feel that same 211 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: intense grief, but there's nothing to pull them out. It's 212 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: very difficult to come out the other side because they're 213 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: not going to be able to see and speak and 214 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: hug and smile at and see the smile of their 215 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: deceased loved one. There's just not The grief is the same, 216 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: but there's nothing to pull them through, and that we 217 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: need to take a quick break. But when we come back, 218 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: you can continue sharing about grief. It's so important, I 219 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: think to all of us not only believing in the 220 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: end to life, but understanding grief. We're all going to 221 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: go through it, so let's take a break. You're listening 222 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio 223 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back 224 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain and we 225 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: are with Annett Marnaccio, who wrote the book with a 226 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: great title your sole focus. You believe in the afterlife, 227 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: don't you, and that you're just talking about how grief 228 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: is different if somebody is still alive versus if they're not. 229 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: Could you talk more about that grief is the same, 230 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 1: but there's nothing to pull them through and once you 231 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: really are convinced, I like to say, like people say, oh, 232 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: you believe, I don't know. It's I think it's more 233 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: than believing in my case. And people said, well, you 234 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: can't know. Of course I can't know. I'm here on earth, 235 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: but I'm convinced that our deceased loved ones live on 236 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: and they're really right around the corner. I mean, they're here, 237 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: very close, and that is very helpful. It doesn't allow 238 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: you the same feeling you would have knowing you would 239 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: be able to sort of chat with them one on 240 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: one tomorrow, but they are right here and they're watching 241 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: over you. I like to get this analogy, and some 242 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: people have sort of latched onto this. This is how 243 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: I correlate a tangible view of the other side. If 244 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: you are to um, walk out of your front door 245 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: one morning and it had snowed that morning, and you just, 246 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: you know, open your door and you're standing on the 247 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: porch and it's absolutely beautiful. Nothing has walked in the 248 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: snow yet, Nobody has walked in the snow. It's just 249 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: a pristine white snow. As far as you can see, 250 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: your mailboxes covered, the trees are covered. It's glistening. It's 251 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: just serene, white, peaceful, snowy day. And then if you 252 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: were to just picture right outside of your view a 253 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: clear acrylic sphere over your entire everything, you can see 254 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: over the entire world for you. Your loved ones are 255 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: right on the outside of that clear acrylic sphere. It's 256 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: like you're in a snow globe and they see everything. 257 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: But because of Einstein's theory of relativity, you can only 258 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: see what you can relate to, So you can only 259 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: see up to that clear sphere and you can't see 260 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: the next energy level or that other dimension they can see, 261 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: you can't. So I'd like to sort of have that 262 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: correlation because a lot of times people say, I don't 263 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: want to disturb my my mother's maybe my deceased mothers 264 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: may be resting in peace. I don't want to, you know, 265 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if they're right here, And I'm like, oh, 266 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: disturb them, because they want to hear from you. They 267 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: want to be involved in your life, and they will 268 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: help in any way they can. Yeah, I don't think 269 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: anybody's resting in peace. I think they're living more than 270 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: they possibly can. And I love the snow globe story 271 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: I've been at this game for twenty five years, researching 272 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: the afterlife, and people say that there's music that our 273 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: brains can't even get our head around. There's colors that 274 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: don't exist in our spectrum, but they exist in the hereafter, 275 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: So how can you explain that If we don't have 276 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: it here, how can we really get it? And also, 277 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: people have had near death experiences that they experienced so much, 278 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: but there's no language that they can share what it is. 279 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: So snow globe sounds perfect. And also I like how 280 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: you describe grief. It is the most painful thing any 281 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: of us go through. And I know when we love someone, 282 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,479 Speaker 1: In fact, the more we love, the more it hurts. 283 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: So everything you and I and others are doing too 284 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: spread the good word that life goes on, and then 285 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: they're right here with us. It doesn't help like giving 286 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: them being able to call them or give them a hug, 287 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: but it certainly does help. It does, so tell us 288 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: about your soul focus. Let's let's get into the book 289 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: and some of these things that you learned and principles 290 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: you teach. It's interesting because, as I had mentioned, after 291 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 1: I sort of learned about everything, the universe was putting 292 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: me in the path of people. And you know, in 293 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: my work, in my work day, although my work is 294 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 1: not a spiritual type of work is there's still sound 295 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: surrounded by people and I would sort of like, you know, 296 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: maybe be speaking to somebody, and you know, I would 297 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: throw out, okay, why don't we meet on you know, 298 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 1: August fifteen. I think that's a good day for us 299 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 1: to meet next. And then the person's face drops and says, 300 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: I can't believe you just said August fifteen. My grandfather 301 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: died last August fifteenth. Then I just feel like, you know, 302 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: you said that for a reason, and I would be like, oh, 303 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: then you're absolutely right. I mean, I just picked that 304 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: date out of the air. It just means nothing to 305 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: me in my head. But obviously grandfather is saying hello. 306 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: And then next thing, you know, it would be they 307 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: would have story after story the story and my son 308 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: sees this and my like, that's so cool. You know. 309 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: After being in the position of sort of being in 310 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: the path of people who are either grieving or curious, 311 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: I realized I had to consolidate what I knew into 312 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:46,719 Speaker 1: something uh tangible and and real that was timeless. I mean, 313 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: the information of my book just will will be long 314 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: after I'm gone, it still pertains. So I just needed 315 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,199 Speaker 1: to sort of get it into some kind of form 316 00:18:55,680 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: that people could appreciate. I almost pictured people like getting 317 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: the book and after you sort of get past the 318 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: fact that I learned that there is an afterlife, because 319 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: that in and of itself a lot of people may 320 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: not know. I certainly didn't know, but other people may know. 321 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: I also have those kind of significant takeaways I almost 322 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: pictured people. And I have had people tell me they 323 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 1: sort of like highlight the book with things that they 324 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: feel like, oh, I want to remember this, you know 325 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: this pertains to me or something like that. So um, 326 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: and I think all of our books that come out 327 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: that have these kind of pearls of wisdom or knowledge, 328 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: knowledge or um, little tidbits after years of research, you're 329 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: sort of looking for those tidbits that resonate with somebody 330 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: so they can sort of take it into their their 331 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: daily life. But what happened was I was, you know, 332 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 1: became very intent on writing a book, putting it into 333 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: a form that is tangible and enjoyable. And I'm a 334 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: numbers person. I'm not a writer. I don't read a 335 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: lot either except for you know, business articles and things 336 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: like that. So I'm not that like kind of verbal 337 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: and reading writing person. I'm really like numbers. I love numbers. 338 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: So after I wrote the whole thing, I was like, oh, 339 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: I think this is pretty good. So I got up 340 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,719 Speaker 1: the nerve to ask three local mediums with a public 341 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: presence on Long Island where I live in New York, 342 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: to do me a favor and read it from their perspective, 343 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: because I felt like, it's okay, it's good for an 344 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: accounting from an accountant's perspective, but I wonder if a 345 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: spiritual person would also appreciate it and to recommend it, 346 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: if they were so inclined. And they each of one 347 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: of the three of them very different people um read 348 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: it and gave me a recommendation, which I had in 349 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 1: the back of the book and I have in the 350 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: inside of the book, And so I was so appreciative. 351 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: But then I knew I was onto something because I 352 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: was like, Jesus, this works from me from my accounting 353 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: kind of brain, and it works from a spiritual perspective. Also, 354 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: I think the combination in this book is just you know, 355 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: a message for people. Since I put it out and 356 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: of course, you know the way the universe works. I 357 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: published it two days before my mother in law's birthday. 358 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 1: The first book that was published has her birthday as 359 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: the date that it was printed, which is like, that's 360 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 1: how the universe works, you know. So February two was 361 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 1: the first printed copy, which I gave to my mother. Um, 362 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: so it's like, you know, but that's how the universe works. 363 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: And now I sort of get it. But at any rate, 364 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: when I put it out there, I've had such heartwarming 365 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: um messages from people who really appreciated it. I had 366 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: this woman from Oregon. Obviously I'd never know anybody from Oregon, 367 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: but she but you know, the wonders of social media, 368 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: she contacted me and she said, you know, she had 369 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: lost her adult son about a year prior and she 370 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: stumbled across my book and she wanted to thank me 371 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: for taking the time to write it because it really 372 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 1: helped comfort her and it shared a perspective that she 373 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 1: had not thought about prior. And I was like, that's 374 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: that's great, and that's exactly what I wanted. I just 375 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: wanted it to, you know, help people maybe see things 376 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: from a perspective that they may not otherwise have thought, 377 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: you know, thought of So that's your soul focus. You know, 378 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: it has a lot of, like I said, personal stories 379 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 1: and antidotes, but only enough to get my points across. 380 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: Uh And of course in the number one point is 381 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: yes there's an afterlife, but I also speak about the 382 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: grief and the snow globe, you know, just a variety 383 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: of other things, because I just want to share what 384 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: I've learned, um, exactly as you're doing, share what I've 385 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: learned with others because you know, if you can help somebody, 386 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 1: that's that connection that we have is invaluable and it's 387 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: so rewarding. So it's like, you know, why wouldn't I 388 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: want to do that? That's right, And you're the perfect 389 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: person to write the book and speak on it because 390 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: like with my book, my subtitles of Skeptics Discovery of 391 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 1: Life after Death. I didn't believe in me this, So 392 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,239 Speaker 1: you're gonna have a lot of those people who love 393 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: numbers just like you, who might not have believed in 394 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: the after life, but then something happens and they're going 395 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: to look for answers. So is it better to listen 396 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: to some one of these spiritual woo kind of people 397 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: or you, and they're gonna, they're gonna take you. What 398 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: are some of these other nuggets that you have in 399 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: your book? Is it about living life? Yes, it's really 400 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: about how the other side relates to us. And um, 401 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 1: I think I'm I'm going to give you what I feel. 402 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: Is the one thing that I've learned that people who 403 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: do believe in the afterlife and are grieving the loss 404 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: of a loved one, I hear this question over and 405 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: over again, and that question is why don't I see signs? 406 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: The whole sign thing is so important to people. I 407 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: will say that in addition to writing my book, I 408 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: serve on the board of a nonprofit foundation called the 409 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: Forever Family Foundation, and their mission is to scientifically prove 410 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: there's an afterlife. So I've been blessed to be surrounded 411 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 1: by like minded people for the last a little over 412 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: a decade. So that was one of one of the 413 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: groups that I found when my mother in law. After 414 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 1: my mother in law proved to me there was an afterlife, 415 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: I sort of, you know, stumbled acron u pond Forever 416 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 1: Family Foundation, and I can just see that people grieving 417 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: and people curious. Signs is the number one kind of 418 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:33,719 Speaker 1: question that people ask about, and the struggle that a 419 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: lot of people have is why don't I get signs? 420 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: Why are why am I not able to see my 421 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: deceased father in my dreams? Why does my neighbor get 422 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: the cardinal but I don't, So there's a lot of 423 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: struggle with why people may not receive signs. Yeah, I agree, 424 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 1: people really want to see signs. They worry when they don't, 425 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: and for a lot of people that's what they need 426 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: to let them know that their loved one is okay 427 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: and not dead. So when we come back from the break, Annett, 428 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: talk about your two reasons and we'll talk about signs, 429 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: are they important, what do we need to look for 430 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: and more. Let's go to the break and we'll be 431 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: back with Annette Marnacchio. You're listening to Shades of the 432 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 433 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. 434 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: I'm Sanders Champlain and we're here with author Annett Marinaccio. 435 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 1: And that you're just saying that there are two important 436 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: things you have to say about why people don't see 437 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: signs from their loved ones. One of them is ask 438 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: for the sign. Ask for the sign. Don't wait. If 439 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: you're really struggling, don't sit and wait for a sign, 440 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: a non discript sign that you're not even sure what 441 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: you're waiting for. Be very specific and ask for a 442 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: sign and you'll see. I have it in my book 443 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: a couple of stories with people ask for signs. I'll 444 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 1: give you an example of one. My sister, who was 445 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: very skeptical when I was starting to learn about all 446 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: this um. She said, oh, really, you can ask for anything. Fine, 447 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to ask grandma grandmother to show me a 448 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: sea horse. I'll never see that. You know, sea horse 449 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 1: is so rare, I forget it, I'll never see it. 450 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: Let's see how real this is. And usually your loved ones, 451 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: if asked for something very specific that you can't discount, 452 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 1: if you do see it. And if you just ask 453 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: for like I'd like to see, you know, a red circle, 454 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 1: Well you may see a red circle and you say, yeah, 455 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 1: but of course I'm going to see a red circle. 456 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: But a sea horse is not something you gonna see 457 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: anyone their course. So you have to answer something unique, 458 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 1: and typically they will if they can, they will show 459 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: you within two weeks. About two weeks, there's a science 460 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: to it. Almost a couple of weeks you will see it. 461 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: So sure enough she's asking for a sea horse, and 462 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 1: you meditate on the sea horse, and you right. And 463 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: her co worker comes back from vacation about a week 464 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: after she's asked my grandmother for the sea horse, with 465 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: all pictures of her vacation, and of course her family 466 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: visited an aquarium and of course she had pictures of 467 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 1: the sea horse display and my sister was like, oh 468 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: my goodness, I actually saw because that's the horse. And 469 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah. So the first thing in science is 470 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: ask them if they can show you something, they will, 471 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: and then you will. It'll be easier for you to say, 472 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 1: I can't discount that it really happened. But I also 473 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 1: have the out to this, you know, because not everyone 474 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,479 Speaker 1: will see the sign they ask for in that two weeks. 475 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: And then people say, well, then why didn't I see it? 476 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: Is it that my deceased father isn't there, My my 477 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: son doesn't love me like I thought he did. I 478 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: don't understand this, is it not really true? And the 479 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: interesting thing is, I like to say, and this is 480 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: a very significant takeaway. The souls are right there on 481 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 1: the other side of that snow globe. But they are 482 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: very polite, very respectful, the ultimate and respectful and polite. 483 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: They will not interfere with your soul's journey or the 484 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: journey or purpose of another soul. And if you are 485 00:28:53,360 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: meant to live this life without seeing constant signs from 486 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: your deceased loved one, because you need not to see 487 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: the signs to grow, you need to not see them 488 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: in order for your soul to grow, then you will 489 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: not see the sign because your deceased loved one is 490 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: more intent are you joining him or horror in the 491 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: hereafter and having your soul have grown, They're more intent 492 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: on that. Then they're more intent on you coming back 493 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: to the other side with your soul's purpose having occurred. 494 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: Then they are worrying about you seeing a sign here. 495 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: They want your soul to grow, And if your soul 496 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: is going to grow by not seeing constant signs, then 497 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: they are going to hold back because they will not 498 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: interfere with your soul's growth or the growth of someone else, 499 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: and they're going to not show you the sign. So 500 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: it's not really about the sign lines. It's not it 501 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: really isn't It's about your soul's purpose and your soul's growth, 502 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: and they're waiting on the other side for you to 503 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: get there and for them to say, congratulations, you lived 504 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: through the life here. I also like to say this 505 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: is another significant thing. If you were able to sort 506 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: of tap into the other side all the time, it 507 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: would be such a distraction. I mean, you know, mediums 508 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: and psychics they have to actually learn to turn off 509 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: that constant barrage. But if you really were able to 510 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: sort of tap into the other side and really understand 511 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: all the mysteries of life, it would be such a 512 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: distraction to your soul's purpose here. If you knew that 513 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: you were going to be you know, I'm making this up, 514 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: but you know hit by a car or in a 515 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: car accident at fifty years old, maybe not crossover, but 516 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: being a debilitating car accident. Could you imagine in your 517 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: thirties and forties have distracted you would be you wouldn't 518 00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: be leaving the house at fifty years old, You'd be 519 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: like was fifty one or fifty two. I have to say, 520 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: I mean you just you'd be so distracted you wouldn't 521 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: be able to develop your soul's purpose here, So we're 522 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: not really supposed to see all these signs and have 523 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: the knowing that the other side has. We're really supposed 524 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,719 Speaker 1: to be here to enjoy what we have here and 525 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: to grow. So that's some significant a series of significant 526 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: things that I've learned and that I have included in 527 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: your soul's focus. For our friends on the other side, 528 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: there is no time, So outside of the snow globe, 529 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: there's no time. So for us, what seems like a 530 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: lifetime for them is just a blink of an eye. 531 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: So we might have that panic to get a sign. 532 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: And I also believe that just because we crossover doesn't 533 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: mean we have all the information in the universe. We 534 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: don't know how to manipulate lights and you know, all 535 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: these other kind of things make pom poms appear. You know, 536 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: we don't. We don't have that. I believe there's a 537 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: school of learning to do that. But also and that 538 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: I was just thinking that we retain our same personalities. 539 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: For instance, my grandmother, wonderful lady. When you were alone together, 540 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: she would speak her mind, but when we were we 541 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: were with a group of people, she'd stay reserved and 542 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: let the young people talk, you know. So it was 543 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: a good ten years after she passed before she finally 544 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: came through in a medium reading. The people continue to 545 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: have their personalities. So if somebody wasn't boisterous or let 546 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: me get to the front of the line in life, 547 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: they're not going to be that in death. But I 548 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: do say, playful out ask for the signs, but slow 549 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: down and pay attention. Do you find that too, that 550 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: people are so busy in their own minds that they 551 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: need to be present to actually see a sign. You're 552 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: absolutely right. Everything you said is absolutely right. And the 553 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: interesting thing too, is you may not get the sign 554 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: and eat act way that you think you're going to 555 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: get a sign. So you may be saying, okay, I 556 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: want to see, you know, a yellow bird. You may 557 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: not actually see a yellow bird flying past your window, 558 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,959 Speaker 1: but you may actually, you know, drive by a restaurant 559 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: called the yellow Bird. Right, So, sometimes signs can be 560 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,239 Speaker 1: a little bit like elusive, and you have to be 561 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: in tune to the fact that it may not be 562 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: exactly what you're you're asking for, you know, or you mean, 563 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: maybe what you're asking for, but not the way you 564 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: think you're going to receive it. Exactly, and there's got 565 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: to be some mystery to like you said about knowing 566 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: all the answers in the universe or what's coming in 567 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: the afterlife. It might be great, but there is stuff 568 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: here to learn. I think we're born into this light 569 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: forgetting what home is all about, because we'd want to 570 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: get back there. But there's a richness to life, you know. 571 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: I often say, and that if you have to eat 572 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: your same favorite food over and over and over and 573 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: that's the only food you get the to your life, 574 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: it would be kind of boring, wouldn't it straight boring? 575 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: But and comparing that to the afterlife, when it's all 576 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: good all the time, it's fantastic, But there's something more. 577 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,359 Speaker 1: So I think the souls crave being here on earth 578 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: because we have the ups and downs, we have all 579 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,439 Speaker 1: kinds of emotions, and while it might be great, there's 580 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,439 Speaker 1: things that we can get here. Do you have any 581 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: thoughts as to the purpose of life? You know, the 582 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,359 Speaker 1: big question about why we're here or how to make 583 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: the most of it. So the why we're here is 584 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: very straightforward, right. It's to love and to grow. That's 585 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: really why we're here. So it's all about, right, I mean, 586 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: that's just it. So it's all about our connection to 587 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: each other, sharing things, and our souls growth. You know. 588 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: It's interesting, as I've gotten older and as I've learned more, 589 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: I start to be able to tell you know, or 590 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: to know when I'm working with you verse as opposed 591 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: to grinding against it. You know. So, Um, when you 592 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: feel that kind of friction, you know, and you're not aligned, um, 593 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: that's a sure sign you're probably not working towards your 594 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,240 Speaker 1: soul's purpose. But if you're really, if things are rolling 595 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: easily for you, then you can feel comfortable that you're 596 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: working toward your soul's purpose. Chances are if you're looking 597 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: at things positively and sharing that positivity and sharing anything 598 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: you can with anyone you can, chances are you working 599 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: towards your soul's goal. I mean those. And it could 600 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: be one big goal, one small goal, it could be 601 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: a lot of little goals. Um. And you also may 602 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,720 Speaker 1: have decided to come here not for your own growth, 603 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: but to help somebody else grow. So you may have decided, Okay, 604 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,839 Speaker 1: I'm I'm coming here, and I'll do you a bunch 605 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: of these little things. But the real purpose I'm here 606 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: is to help this group of people grow or to 607 00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: help one other person grow. It's not always a bad 608 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: out your own soul. It's about other souls too, souls 609 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 1: within your group. So yeah, that but that's I mean, 610 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: that's a simple purpose, right, love and grow. Yeah, you know, 611 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: I think about other souls. And somebody once said that 612 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 1: I interviewed, because not all souls are friendly to you summer, 613 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: you know, you get these relationships that clash. But what 614 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: she had said is other people can be like a 615 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: bit of sand in an oyster, right, And so we 616 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 1: learned that to deal with it, and we grow and 617 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 1: what ultimately comes out as a pearl. Yeah, And it 618 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 1: all starts from that friction. And that's interesting too. You're right, 619 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 1: because soul mates. Everybody thinks like, oh, I'd love to 620 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: just meet and full in love with my soul mate, 621 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: you know, and things will be so happy and blissful 622 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: and easy. But you know, sometimes your soul mate is 623 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 1: somebody that's going to force your soul to grow and 624 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: it may not be so blissful and easy. And when 625 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: you find that, even in your your family, you know, 626 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: your siblings or your parents or children, it may not 627 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:07,240 Speaker 1: be so you know, and typically isn't so swimmingly easy. Um, 628 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: And it's because they're pushing your soul to grow. And 629 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,279 Speaker 1: that let me just jump in. You just said some 630 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: things that are a gold mine. When you're talking about 631 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,399 Speaker 1: forcing your soul to grow. I think we all come 632 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,360 Speaker 1: from families that there's been friction, or maybe there is 633 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: right now, and learning how to see life from another 634 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: person's perspective, learning how to communicate, learning how to rise 635 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 1: above and maybe bite your tongue and wait before responding. 636 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 1: And then also you had mentioned that we may be 637 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 1: here for someone else. Imagine being so wise in the 638 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: before life and then coming to earth with certainly some 639 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: soul growth to be done, but being so generous to say, 640 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,840 Speaker 1: let me help you to another soul and give of 641 00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 1: yourself so that these circumstances happen to help other people. Anyways, 642 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: we need to go to a break and then we'll 643 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 1: be right back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife 644 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM 645 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 1: Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. 646 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: I'm Sanders Champlain, and we're here with Annette Marnaccio, author 647 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 1: of Your Sole Focus and that we were just talking 648 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 1: about tough times and tough people and the ability for 649 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,279 Speaker 1: soul growth. Can you talk more about that. I was 650 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,320 Speaker 1: blessed to go to one Oprah Winfrey is a large 651 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 1: stadium events and she was beautiful, beautiful person, unbelievable stories 652 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 1: And at the end she was telling a story about 653 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 1: her mother and her very very difficult upbringing. But she 654 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,800 Speaker 1: said at the end, at the and after her mother passed, 655 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 1: she realized that she didn't get the mother she wanted, 656 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 1: but she definitely got the mother she needed. That happens, 657 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,239 Speaker 1: you know, and maybe not always with parents, but a 658 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 1: lot of times you do cross paths with people that 659 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 1: you need, even though they may not be people that 660 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 1: you feel happiest with, but they if they're helping your 661 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,280 Speaker 1: soul to grow, you'll sort of know it, as opposed 662 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,879 Speaker 1: to talk of people that you really should just walk 663 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:34,280 Speaker 1: away and you know, get out of their way. Yeah, 664 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: sometimes that's hard, but we do the best we can. 665 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 1: I heard somebody speak on this yesterday and it's it's 666 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:44,359 Speaker 1: similar to what you're saying. So often people blame their 667 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 1: parents for the life that they have, right you hear that, 668 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 1: Or they blame a spouse or a relationship gone wrong 669 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 1: for how it now is. But when we really look 670 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: to see where we've grown. So there's been some say 671 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 1: a child that's been neglected, it turns out to be 672 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 1: the best parent ever. Right, the best parent is best grandparents. Well, 673 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,440 Speaker 1: it all stems back from that relationship with their parents. 674 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 1: So instead of using the energy to make them wrong, 675 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 1: maybe they were here for our soul to grow. And 676 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,239 Speaker 1: whether it's true or it's not, if we can look 677 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:23,839 Speaker 1: from an empowering lens, then you can move on with 678 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,839 Speaker 1: your life and you can thank them. You know. I've 679 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 1: had some difficulties in my family own things around the 680 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 1: time of my dad's death. But had everyone not played 681 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: the roles that they did, I would have never gone 682 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 1: searching for answers. I would have never written the book, 683 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 1: I would have never had these shows. I would have 684 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,319 Speaker 1: never met you today. So while it's easy for our 685 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:51,640 Speaker 1: human brains to have these flashbacks and make people wrong, 686 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 1: you know, make them right because without them we wouldn't 687 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,840 Speaker 1: be right here today. Well that's a great story, because 688 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. I mean, all those things that occurred 689 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 1: to you when your dad died, and all those family 690 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 1: and friend relationships that may have you know, felt like 691 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,839 Speaker 1: they were grinding at the time, like a friction. Um, 692 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:14,840 Speaker 1: look at what it's done. It's put you in a 693 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,920 Speaker 1: place to help so many people. That's a huge blessing. 694 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, the hardest times in our life can be 695 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,600 Speaker 1: the biggest growth for our soul. So and Thatt, what 696 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 1: else would you like to talk about? Well, again, I 697 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,920 Speaker 1: think I would just say I would like everybody to 698 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: appreciate the work that you put into the show, you 699 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 1: put into your book, I put into my book. I 700 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,840 Speaker 1: think there are a lot of like guiding light kinds 701 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:45,800 Speaker 1: of personalities out there, and I really hope that people 702 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 1: who are attracted to, you know, this kind of an 703 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:53,359 Speaker 1: environment do what you're doing, which is really give back, 704 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,640 Speaker 1: give back to the community and um, give back to 705 00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:01,320 Speaker 1: family and friends, because that is only going to It 706 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 1: helps your own soul, it helps you feel good, um, 707 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 1: and and it just it helps the world. We're all connected. 708 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,600 Speaker 1: We're connected to people we don't know, let alone people 709 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 1: we do know. We are all connected. So the more 710 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 1: we can raise the elevation and the spiritual level and 711 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 1: this level of spiritual awareness of anyone else and everyone else, 712 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,440 Speaker 1: and the better if we are. So I think, you know, 713 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 1: that's what I would like. The message I would like 714 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:35,960 Speaker 1: to give is I think sharing is very important. When 715 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 1: you say purpose of life is love and grow, you know, 716 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 1: I also want to throw in their service because it 717 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:48,200 Speaker 1: helps everything. I mean, if you're at rock bottom grieving, 718 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 1: which is an awful place to be, if you can 719 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,280 Speaker 1: set your sights on someone else, maybe making a difference 720 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 1: for someone else, then all of a sudden, you start 721 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,680 Speaker 1: feeling better. Whatever that may be in each one of us. 722 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 1: I feel, whether it's afterlife or not, there's a journey 723 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,960 Speaker 1: we've been on, there's growth that we've had, and if 724 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 1: we can share our knowledge with others and be that 725 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,280 Speaker 1: moral support, I think it just makes a huge difference. 726 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 1: You know. It's interesting you say that because one of 727 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 1: the motivations for me sticking with writing the book was 728 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:29,480 Speaker 1: a very unlikely source, Justin Bieber. So Justin Bieber, that 729 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,680 Speaker 1: is unlikely, very unlikely because he's a young fellow in 730 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,120 Speaker 1: his twenties, and I'm, obviously, I'll be kind to myself, 731 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,279 Speaker 1: middle aged woman, you know, but an older woman. So 732 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 1: you wouldn't think that he would be able to be 733 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,719 Speaker 1: in a position to influence me. But he did come 734 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 1: across my feed in Google or whatever. At some point 735 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 1: around the time of January, when I had committed to 736 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:54,799 Speaker 1: myself that I was going to try and get this 737 00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,440 Speaker 1: book together. It was an interview of his and who 738 00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,360 Speaker 1: knows from when it was, I don't I don't remember, 739 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,719 Speaker 1: but he basically said that one of the things that 740 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:10,840 Speaker 1: helped turn him around was his ability to focus on others. 741 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,839 Speaker 1: He said, when I was younger, of course he was, 742 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 1: he's still young, but when he was younger, he said, 743 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 1: he was very you know, self absorbed or focused on himself. 744 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,680 Speaker 1: And when he realized that it was more important to 745 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,520 Speaker 1: focus on others, that's when he sort of turns was 746 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 1: able to turn his life around. And that just resonated 747 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,799 Speaker 1: with me, and I was like, that's the answer. The 748 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 1: answer is not to focus on us. The answers to 749 00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:43,000 Speaker 1: focus on others. Exactly what you said, SENTENTI service, because 750 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,439 Speaker 1: if you can continue to focus on others, a lot 751 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,000 Speaker 1: falls into place. And throughout the process of that year 752 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,279 Speaker 1: writing my book, I had to keep my eye on 753 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,160 Speaker 1: that and my ear on that. I had to keep 754 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,480 Speaker 1: going back to that focus on others, because it really 755 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,160 Speaker 1: is um There are many times in a in the 756 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,600 Speaker 1: process of writing a book, and I'm sure in your 757 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,839 Speaker 1: process of putting on the shows and whatnot, where it's 758 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,600 Speaker 1: just sometimes it's easier to say, you know, I'm not 759 00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,400 Speaker 1: going to do that today. You know, I'm going to 760 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 1: put it that off, and it's easier just not to 761 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,719 Speaker 1: sort of put the energy into it sometimes that I 762 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,360 Speaker 1: kept thinking justin Bieber, and you know, I have to 763 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,640 Speaker 1: focus on the others I have. I can't focus on 764 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,120 Speaker 1: the hassle it is for me right now. I have 765 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,920 Speaker 1: to focus on putting this book out and having it 766 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 1: helps somebody. That's what I have to focus on, and 767 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 1: that's what I did, and it makes it that service 768 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:37,880 Speaker 1: to others. Um really makes things just easier. You know, 769 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,520 Speaker 1: if you can keep your eye on that, it does 770 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:44,239 Speaker 1: make life a lot easier. So so many people think 771 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,680 Speaker 1: they're not smart enough for their story is not important enough. 772 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,960 Speaker 1: But if it's happened to you, somebody else is going 773 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,799 Speaker 1: through it. And I really think while a lot of 774 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,520 Speaker 1: people may never have a book, if you can get 775 00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,439 Speaker 1: your story out there, whatever hardship that you went through 776 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,560 Speaker 1: and how you overcame it, you don't have to do 777 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,399 Speaker 1: anything with it. You don't need to sell a book. 778 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,440 Speaker 1: You don't need to have a show, um, and sometimes 779 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,319 Speaker 1: it's literally just sharing a post on social media or 780 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,399 Speaker 1: if you're brave enough to have a camera to you, 781 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,160 Speaker 1: you know, do Facebook live or something and just say, 782 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:20,759 Speaker 1: you know, there's something I want to get off my 783 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,839 Speaker 1: chest and share your story. You never know who's at 784 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,200 Speaker 1: their wits end going through the same exact thing, and 785 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:34,200 Speaker 1: these synchronicities, these signs are real and somebody might just 786 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,279 Speaker 1: see it and it's the difference they need. Here's here's 787 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,320 Speaker 1: an example for you. I got a really interesting email 788 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:44,360 Speaker 1: from a guy whose three year old child had died 789 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,880 Speaker 1: and he was driving in his car. He just asked 790 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:55,600 Speaker 1: sirie on the phone to play some news, nothing about 791 00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,040 Speaker 1: the afterlife, and what started playing was an episode of 792 00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:03,040 Speaker 1: my show. Oh wow, that's so great. But he had 793 00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,240 Speaker 1: to open his mouth, and the universe or God, whoever 794 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,640 Speaker 1: you want to say, loved ones put it in his path, 795 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,400 Speaker 1: and so it's it's made a difference. So everybody who's 796 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:17,120 Speaker 1: listening right now, your story is important. Whatever it is, 797 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,880 Speaker 1: all that stuff that you've been through in your life, 798 00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:24,640 Speaker 1: it's growth for your soul, and if you can share 799 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,799 Speaker 1: it with others, it's it's the magic formula of having 800 00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,359 Speaker 1: a good life. That really is my purpose is just 801 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,439 Speaker 1: to sort of get the word out there. I really 802 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,279 Speaker 1: would love the same as you for people to live 803 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:40,439 Speaker 1: very fulfilled lives, and it is so possible, so I think, 804 00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,560 Speaker 1: you know, um, fifteen years ago, before my mother in 805 00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:47,680 Speaker 1: law died, I was just very busily living my crazy life. 806 00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,360 Speaker 1: Once she opened my eyes, it was like, this is 807 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,400 Speaker 1: what it's about. It's it's a little bit more you know, 808 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,960 Speaker 1: intense that I thought in a good way. So um 809 00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,880 Speaker 1: So anyway, Yeah, if you had to leave people with 810 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,320 Speaker 1: just one last piece of advice, you might have already 811 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,120 Speaker 1: covered it. But what would you say to people again? 812 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,960 Speaker 1: I think the advice is that love and grow situation. 813 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,080 Speaker 1: Our theme of sharing, you know that and service as 814 00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,600 Speaker 1: you've brought up is really it's really you know, people say, oh, 815 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,920 Speaker 1: it's better to give us as you receive it really is? It? 816 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,239 Speaker 1: Really is? It feels better? So I think, yeah, the 817 00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,759 Speaker 1: more people speak about the afterlife, if they've had experiences, 818 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:33,520 Speaker 1: the more it's open and discussed openly, especially for people 819 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,880 Speaker 1: who aren't exactly mediums, you know, and maybe people assume 820 00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,120 Speaker 1: that psychics and mediums are always speaking about that kind 821 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,680 Speaker 1: of thing. People that aren't psychics and mediums get out there. 822 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,200 Speaker 1: And if you've had these experiences, these real life experiences, 823 00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,440 Speaker 1: speak about them, speak about them openly because they just 824 00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,680 Speaker 1: may help somebody, and that's what it's about. Thanks. And 825 00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,880 Speaker 1: if you are somebody that um is having a tough time, 826 00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,440 Speaker 1: and you might have somebody that's wants to give and 827 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,520 Speaker 1: wants to share, and some times the hardest thing is 828 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,520 Speaker 1: to allow someone to give. And so just remember that 829 00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,880 Speaker 1: person gets a whole bunch of growth for their soul 830 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,200 Speaker 1: if they're able to give. So don't shut them off 831 00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,319 Speaker 1: if they want to share with you. I mean, it's 832 00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,520 Speaker 1: it's a two way street. And certainly when we have 833 00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,840 Speaker 1: the means, we do share. But let other people share 834 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,160 Speaker 1: and love you as well. Well. And Natte, thank you 835 00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,719 Speaker 1: so much for being our guest today. Thank you so 836 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,719 Speaker 1: much for having me Sandra, it was a beautiful way 837 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,279 Speaker 1: to spend the afternoon. I agree. I love spending time 838 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:35,480 Speaker 1: with you too. And for our listener, we love hearing stories. 839 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,680 Speaker 1: Every guest I talked to, I want to hear more stories, 840 00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:44,560 Speaker 1: more stories. And you maybe someone who has had some 841 00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:50,000 Speaker 1: signs or something special happen with your loved one who 842 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,480 Speaker 1: may be in the afterlife. If you don't have the 843 00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:58,680 Speaker 1: courage to share openly, that's okay. Why don't you send 844 00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:03,120 Speaker 1: them to me because I don't even have to mention 845 00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,920 Speaker 1: your real name. But there's something that you've experienced that 846 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:11,160 Speaker 1: will make a difference for another, So go ahead. Remember 847 00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:17,120 Speaker 1: my email Sandra Champlaine at gmail dot com. Please don't 848 00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:21,239 Speaker 1: forget our home bases We Don't Die dot com. Join 849 00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,719 Speaker 1: our Facebook group. We have almost seven thousand like minded members. 850 00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,120 Speaker 1: You never know who you're going to meet. In closing, 851 00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,279 Speaker 1: I'm Sander Champlain. 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