1 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here, Welcome back to Killers amongst Us, 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:14,319 Speaker 1: a production of iHeartMedia and Crime Online. To the world 3 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: around them. David and Belinda Temple were the Golden couple. 4 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: He's a big man on campus, a football star, she 5 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: miss school spirit. Their lives all centered around football. He 6 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: even proposes on the fifty yard line. How did it 7 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: go so horribly wrong? I Nancy Grace and this is 8 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: Killers amongst Us. David's prowess on the football field earns 9 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 1: him a full college scholarship to Stephen F. Austin University 10 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: in Texas. David Temple a Texas football star. Everyone wanted 11 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: to know him be recognized by him his stunning, charismatic 12 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: wife Belinda. They clicked immediately. They were gifted with looks, charm, 13 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: and talent. David Temple and Belinda Temple the All American couple. 14 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: They've been described as the Golden Boy and the Sunshine 15 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: Lady a million times. Everything seemed right in their marriage. 16 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: Belinda Gorgeous and her twin sister, Brenda, grew up in 17 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: a very loving home in Nagadochis, Texas. Temple David Temple 18 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: grew up in Katie, Texas. Not too far away and 19 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: was a Katie High School gridiron star. People treated him 20 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: like royalty. You know that guy that comes down the 21 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: high school hallways and the crowd just kind of parts 22 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: to let him come through. That's David Temple. I'm Nitzy 23 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: Grace Killers amongst us. Thank you for being with us. 24 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: You know, joining me right now is now defense attorney, 25 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: family law specialist Randall Kessler, forensics expert, Professor Forensics at 26 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, an author of Blood Beneath My Feet 27 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: on Amazon. Joseph Scott Morgan, forensic psychiatrist. Joining me out 28 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: of the Florida jurisdiction doctor Daniel Bober. But right now 29 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: I'm going to go to Katie Times owner in Katie, Texas, 30 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: Brandy Kelcini with me and Brandy, not only are you 31 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: at the Katie Times, but you're from Nagdog. Just tell 32 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: me about Nagadogs, because I've got it in my head, 33 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: Brandy that it reminds me of where I grew up, 34 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: and that was in rural bib County, Middle Georgia. We 35 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: like to say Middle Georgia, not South Georgia. Now, I 36 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: don't know what is that subtle, but apparently very important distinction, 37 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: but from Middle Georgia. And we can't really even say 38 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: make in Georgia because we were out in the unincorporated 39 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: county on a red dirt road and well water where 40 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: the bookmobile would bring books to the rural and or 41 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: underprivileged children. But I gotta tell you something. It was 42 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: beautiful growing up there, far away from crime or any 43 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: idea of hate or not getting along. It was a 44 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: really rural, bucolic setting. And that's how I have in 45 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: my mind that Nagodochus is. Well. I would say that 46 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: Nakodochius is like that, as long as you add a 47 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: bunch of very very tall trees, lots of pine trees, 48 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: lots of pine trees. Tell me about Nagodochus. Now, Nagodochus again, 49 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: is where Belinda grew up. Belinda grew up in Nagodochus. 50 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: David grew up in Katie. And that's really how this 51 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: whole thing starts. Now, I didn't mean to interrupt. You, 52 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: go ahead and tell me about Nagodochus. Well, So Nakodoches 53 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: is considered one of the oldest towns in Texas. So 54 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: there was a settlement there about ten thousand years ago 55 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: was the site of the cattle Indian man. When you 56 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: say old, you really meant it. Okay, Now, what did 57 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: you say, ten thousand years ago? Yes, that there are 58 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: some artifacts that they have found in the Nakodochs area 59 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 1: that date back that far. Wow, Okay, but I want 60 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: to hear about everyday living as it is now. Tell 61 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: me about Nagadochis. Although I appreciate the ancient artifacts I do, 62 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 1: but tell me about life now. I mean, when I 63 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: grew up my grandmother Lucy. Okay, Okay, all of you 64 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: guys stopped groaning, especially you Kessler. I'm sure you're you know, 65 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: want to go out and charge your exorbitant hourly fee. 66 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: And Joe Scott Morgan wants to go examine some blood 67 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: and Bober wants to go examine some person with them, 68 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: you know, criminally insane. But just hold on, okay, Because 69 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: where I grew up, my mama, Lucy, my grandmother, for 70 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: a long time, worked behind the counter at the Woolworths diner. 71 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: There was actually a bar in the non alcoholic sense 72 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: where you could go and order grilled cheese and that 73 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: was the big thing. It was by the piggly Wiggly 74 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: and that was the big thing. I could go there 75 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: and Mama would fix me and grilled cheese and chocolate milk. 76 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: I was in heaven. That was the big thing. Then 77 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: we got the dairy Queen, so we were really, really 78 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: in high cotton then. So Brandy, owner of the Katie Times, 79 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 1: now that I've told you all about something irrelevant, you 80 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,679 Speaker 1: tell me about Nagadoches. Well, Nagadochs is the quintessential small 81 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: college town. So much of the community is based around 82 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: Stephen of Boston University, which is right in the middle 83 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: of town. There are lots and lots of trees everywhere, 84 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: and one of the great things on campus is a 85 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: little log cabin that is original to that area from 86 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: when the first settlers came to Texas. So wait, are 87 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: you telling me that American Indians lived in a log cabin? No, No, 88 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: the first American settlers came to that area. Now that 89 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: the American Indians are not gonna like that. You said that, 90 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: just know that, and I just want to put it 91 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: out there. I have nothing to do, no control over 92 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: what she just said. All right, So I get it. 93 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: Stephen Austin University has a log cabin on campus. That 94 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,119 Speaker 1: was one of the thee or one of the very first. 95 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: It was one of the very first settlement. Wow, okay, Now, 96 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: what was life like growing up in Negadition? No, I 97 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: would say what we always thought it was was fairly, 98 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: you know, typical of any other small American town. The 99 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: kids went out on Friday nights. Football was king. You 100 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: had went out and partied on Saturday night with all 101 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: your friends. And there were, you know, several specific places 102 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: that you hung out, especially as a college student. There 103 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: were a couple of clubs that were the popular places 104 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: to go, and there were a couple of key restaurants 105 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: that you always went to on a regular basis. Now, 106 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: I don't know what you're saying. In high school you 107 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: went to a club. All we got to do is 108 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: go to Shakey's Pizza and that was a big night. 109 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: And if I was not home by a quarter of eleven, 110 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: my father would and did come looking for me. I'm 111 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: not gonna tell you what happened when he found me either, 112 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: but I'd like to forget that moment. But what do 113 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: you mean clubs in high school? There were a lot 114 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: of dance Oh no, there were a lot of dance 115 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: clubs there in Nacodote, just mainly because it was a 116 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: college town. And back then in the eighties, Nakodoches and 117 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: Stephen F. Auston was known as a party school. So 118 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: a lot of the kids in the area would graduate 119 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: from high school and go to Stephen F. Austen. That 120 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: was a standard path if you wanted to get a 121 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: college education, was to just go right there in your backyard. Well, 122 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: this is what I know about Stephen F. Austin. I 123 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: know that it's a public university in nagadochus and it 124 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: was originally founded as a teacher's college in nineteen twenty 125 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: three and named after a guy that helped established Texas, 126 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: Stephen Austin. And I'm really curious about its football program. 127 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: But hey, I'm getting ahead of myself. Randy keion SENI 128 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: owner of the Katie Times. So that is where Belinda 129 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 1: grows up and she heads to Stephen F. Austin State University. 130 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: But what was her family like? I was recently giving 131 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: a speech in Port Huron, way up on the Canadian border, 132 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: and believe it or not, out of the blue ran 133 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: into her sister. And I was amazed, because you know, 134 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: I've felt that I knew her sister for a really 135 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: long time. But tell me about her family life. Blenda's 136 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: family life growing up well. Growing up, she and her 137 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: twin sister, they were very active in sports. She a 138 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: blend of herself, played basketball and was named All District 139 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: as a senior at Nacodoch's High School. She graduated from 140 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: their nineteen eighty seven. She was also voted the girl 141 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: with the most school Spirit at Nakodochri's High School. Okay, 142 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 1: I'm identifying with that. To Randy Kessler, defense attorney, I 143 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: guess you're not surprised that I won Miss School Spirit 144 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: several times in a row. I just know that deep 145 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: inside you are arguing with miss school Spirit and what 146 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: have you done with your life? Huh? Look at that? Amazing? 147 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: But you know, to Joseph Scott Morgan, when you are 148 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: I mean you and I know what lies ahead in 149 00:09:55,880 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: this story. But it always is when you go into 150 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: a crime scene, Joe Scott Morgan, I used to do 151 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: this all the time when I was investigating, and this 152 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 1: was a very poignant moment for me. And it happened 153 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: all the time. I would go to a crime scene 154 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: or someone's home or meet with their sister, and I 155 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: would get a glimpse of the players as they were 156 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 1: in their youth, before life took a toll on them. 157 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: Does that when you are ever on a crime scene, 158 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: or you're called out, or you're investigating, do you ever think, 159 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: how in the world do we get here or get 160 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: a glimpse of these people before they hit the headlines? Yeah, Nancy, 161 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: that's it's a long crooked path. Lots of times when 162 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: you look at you know, how these lives, you know, 163 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: just kind of intersect and wind up in these horrific situations. 164 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: I make this comment many times when I'm speaking publicly 165 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: and also to my students at JSU, I'll say that 166 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: as cromp scene investigators, as death investigators, were always having 167 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: to look at things, look at the abnormal in the 168 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: context of the normal, and sometimes it's really quite striking. Wow, 169 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: that's an incredible quote right there, looking at the abnormal 170 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: into context of the normal. Did I get at Bass 171 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: Ackwards or is that what you said? Yes, ma'am, that's 172 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: absolute correct. And to doctor Daniel Vover, so often we 173 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 1: look at crime stories or crime scenes or read the news, 174 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: and we look at these players as if we're looking 175 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: at a tarantula under a glass box, like they're different 176 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: from us. But you hear what Brandy Kean Seni at 177 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: Katie Times is saying, Belinda grew up as a basketball 178 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: star and as miss school Spirit. I mean, what could 179 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: be more wholesome and more scrubbed in sunshine than that? 180 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: You know what, Nancy, I always say with people, you 181 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: get two things, what you see and what they want 182 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: to show you. And a lot of times families have 183 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 1: secrets and things are never what they seem from outward appearances. 184 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: Linda grew up in a very loving home. She excelled 185 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: in basketball, Miss school Spirit. She was definitely a looker, 186 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: really really pretty young girl. What about him, Well, he 187 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 1: was mister football. He was part of the football team 188 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: there at Katie High School, and Katie is a powerhouse 189 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 1: in Texas sport and in particular in Texas football. And 190 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 1: because he was a star linebacker his senior year, everybody 191 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: knew him. You know that's funny you said that, Brandy, 192 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: because suddenly, just at that moment, took me back to 193 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: my freshman year at Valdosta State College now as Kaldosta University, 194 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: pretty much at the Florida Georgia border. And I remember 195 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: the first Friday night I was at college. I was 196 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: in my dorm and all of a sudden, I heard 197 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: what sounded like the drumbeats of a war party. It 198 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 1: sounded like a war beat, and I said, what is that? Well, 199 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: the local football team Lowndes County is like what you're saying. 200 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: It was the state powerhouse and all the way across 201 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: town you could hear the band music. Because it was 202 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: Friday night, they were getting ready to play football. At 203 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: my little high school, you know, football was a big 204 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: deal and a huge big deal. The only sport for 205 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: girls was basketball. Twenty five girls tried out, twenty four 206 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: girls made the team. I was the one that got cut, 207 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 1: just so you know, not better, not better, It is 208 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: because they only had X number of uniforms. So somebody 209 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: had to go and it was me. Hence my career 210 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: and cheerleading, and that's how I really learned about football. 211 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: I watched so many football game as a cheerleader. But 212 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: I remember that drumbeat, and I hear what you're saying, Brandy, 213 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 1: football was king. Now. Tell so where does David Temple 214 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: fit into that? Well, he was the star. He was 215 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: one of the top players on their team, and the 216 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: his senior year, they had an undefeated season and the 217 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: word district champions and that goes a long way here 218 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: in Texas. So after he graduated, he went to SFA 219 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: and played football there. Now, tell me about his family, Well, 220 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: he has his parents are there in Katie and he 221 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: has a brother who is now married, and they were 222 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: pretty close and were very supportive of him and what 223 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: he wanted to do and where he wanted to go. Well, 224 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: what did he want to do and where did he 225 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: want to go? Well, he wanted to go as far 226 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: as he could with his football career and eventually become 227 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: a teacher. And that's what most you know, what a 228 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: lot of guys will do when they want to play football, 229 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: They play as long as they can, and then they 230 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: coach it because they absolutely love the game. Well, I've 231 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: got to tell you something in this day and age, 232 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: you know, Brandy, when my son was three, he had 233 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: a horrible blow to the head at a birthday party 234 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: and he was in the hospital for four days. At 235 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: age three, he had a horrible concussion. Excuse me, age 236 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: four and I have you know and goes. I've always 237 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: encouraged him to play soccer or play golf, played something 238 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: other than football. The other day, he was in the 239 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: front yard. Somebody gave him a football, he got it out, 240 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: he threw it across the front yard. I went, oh, 241 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: dear Lord in Heaven, he had an arm like a bullet. Oh. 242 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: I hope no football coach sees that, because you cannot 243 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: take another blow to the head. But Brandy, I hear 244 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: what you're saying. So they both end up headed to 245 00:15:54,320 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: Stephen F. Austin State University. Listen, David's proud. It's on 246 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: the football field Stephen F. Austin University in Texas. Once there, 247 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: it's not surprising that girls flocked to David's side, and 248 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: he feels entitled to the prettiest girl in the room. 249 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: Then one day in the fall of nineteen ninety, David 250 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: sees a striking blonde around campus. Her name is Belinda. 251 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: Belinda was working with the football team. She was in 252 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: the athletic program at the same college, and they met 253 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: through the football program there and they clicked immediately. Not 254 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: only is Belinda gorgeous, she has a great personality. She's 255 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: always had a smile on her face, and she loved life. 256 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: She loved people. She was just a wonderful person, you know, 257 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: and everyone that didn't know her wanted to know her 258 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: as soon as they met her, just simply because she 259 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: was so much fun to be around. You are hearing 260 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: our friends Nicole Blackman and Catherine Casey ud scorned. Wow. 261 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: So they meet at stephen Austin. They meet at Stephen 262 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: Austin University and apparently it's love at first sight, and 263 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: David is completely taken with Belinda. It's love at first sight. 264 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: He was very affectionate with her. He always had his 265 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: arm around her. He would always touch her or play 266 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 1: with her hair. David could be incredibly romantic. He was 267 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: the kind of guy who showed up with roses and 268 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: left little love notes on a windshield when he saw 269 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: his girlfriend's car. It's a whirlwind courtship. Classmates even give 270 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: them the nickname the Golden Couple. And after dating for 271 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: just eleven months, David proposes. He came over Nash for 272 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: a hand in marriage, and we thought that was a 273 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 1: neat thing when he proposed. He did it in a 274 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 1: very remarkable, unforgettable way. He proposed on the football field 275 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: where he had all of his great victories and He 276 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: got down on his knees and asked her to marry him, 277 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: and she agreed to. He did everything the fairytale way, 278 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: very very romantic. She loved him very much. He was 279 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: her world. She wanted to be a wife, she wanted 280 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: to be a mother. That's what she wanted to do. 281 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: It does sound like a fairy tale. Those were our friends, 282 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: Nicole Blackman and Katherine Casey. An interesting Tom Lucas that 283 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: is Belinda's dad talking about the proposal with me. Randy Kessler, 284 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, doctor Daniel Bober and Brandy Kosini Kenny 285 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: Times owner. Brandy tell me about the proposal and the wedding. Well, 286 00:18:55,400 --> 00:19:00,719 Speaker 1: so he proposed on the football field was a very 287 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: important thing for him, and they were married in nineteen 288 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: ninety two and Acadochus, which is her hometown. Brandy, hold on, 289 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: you know, I'm so happy I get to correct you. 290 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: It wasn't just the football field. It was the fifty 291 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: yard line, is my understanding. It was the fifty yard line. 292 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: I'm so happy about my irrelevant fact. Okay, go ahead. 293 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: He you know, one of the things that a lot 294 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: of people don't realize is that he was part of 295 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: the championship team at SFA for their conference, and that 296 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: happened in nineteen eighty nine, and then they had in 297 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety and then got married in nineteen ninety two. 298 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: So where he proposed to her had a lot of 299 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: significance for him because they won a lot of games 300 00:19:51,440 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: during his time there, you know, to forensic psychiatrists, doctor 301 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: Daniel Bober joining me, doctor Bober, a lot of people 302 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: would you have a field day with the fact that 303 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,719 Speaker 1: he proposed on the fifty yard line of a football field. 304 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know that I would read that 305 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: much into it. He's a young guy and he can't 306 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: really this is his world, and I don't think he 307 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: at that time could think beyond that proposal location. But 308 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: what do you make of it? I don't think much 309 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: could be gleaned from that. I mean, I think he 310 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: probably thought it was a pretty neat and interesting thing. 311 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: But like you said, that's his world, that's what he's 312 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 1: surrounded by, so for him it probably made perfect sense. Now, 313 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: some people would argue that she's just another victory, She's 314 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 1: like another trophy, because he is proposing right there on 315 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: the fifty yard line, and you know, I guess there's 316 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: some validity to that way. In Doctor Robbie Ludwig do 317 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: people meet and fall in love in college? It's really 318 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 1: a time of innocence, and college can feel like the 319 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: real world, but as we know, real life is far 320 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: more complex and challenging, and so there's this kind of 321 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 1: pseudo reality that happens within a collegiate environment. Especially when 322 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 1: you have somebody who is a star football player who 323 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: has some celebrity, It can create an environment that feels 324 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: like everything is within your control. And just on top 325 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 1: of that, you know, really, what we know about younger 326 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 1: relationships and why it's so important to really give yourself 327 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,479 Speaker 1: time before making a final choice and a spouse, is 328 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: that really the frontal cortex of your brain is not 329 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: fully developed, so your ability really to understand cause and 330 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: effect and to really know who you are doesn't happen 331 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: until slightly later in life. Take a listen to our 332 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: friends at forty eight Hours Off the field. He was 333 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: a bit of a romantic, especially when it came to 334 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: an attractive, fizzed major Belinda Lucas. She's just naturally god 335 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: given duty, but on the inside she's prettier that she 336 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: was because she would do anything for anybody. I'm in 337 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: Carol Lucas for her hand. That is very old fashioned 338 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: to ask her, what did you make of that? I 339 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: made that, you know, this pretty neat guy. I didn't 340 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: think young men did that in these days. With her 341 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: parents blessing, David proposed to Belinda in the most sentimental 342 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: setting he could imagine. I took her down in the 343 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: fifth yard, lining got down and told her how much 344 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: I vowed her and actress she'd married me. You're hearing 345 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: Belinda's parents and David Temple speaking about the proposal, the engagement, 346 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: and then the wedding. Brandy tell me about the wedding, well, 347 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: I would say it was a typical East Texas wedding 348 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: with flowers and happiness. And you know in East Texas, 349 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: you know, especially in the eighties and nineties, there was 350 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: lots of big hair, so, you know, you it was 351 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: just indicative of the time. Everything was big. So it 352 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: was big hair, big flowers, big dress, big you know, attendance, 353 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: so and lots of happiness. It was a truly joyous time. 354 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: Looking at a picture of them driving away from their wedding, 355 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: and Belinda's just beautiful. She's got on an off the 356 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: shoulder wedding dress. It looks a little bit like Princess 357 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: Diana's dress and her hair beautiful. She's wearing pearls, he's driving, 358 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: he still has on his black tugs. He's looking handsome. 359 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: And I'm just looking at all the wedding photos right now, 360 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: and they really are just stunning. She's beautiful, he looks 361 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: so happy. We're talking about the wedding of Belinda and 362 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: David Temple. So off they go to set the world 363 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: on fire, hand in hand. Then when the honeymoon is over, 364 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: they settle in for happily ever after, let's go to 365 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: cut four. David gets a job teaching at a local 366 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: high school, where he also becomes an assistant football coach, 367 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: and Belinda gets a teaching job at David's alma mater, 368 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: Katie High School. She's adored by her colleagues. We called 369 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: her our sunshine lady. She would send cute little emails 370 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: to teachers, and she was just a bubbly young woman 371 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: and loved teaching. You were hearing our friend Nicole Blackman 372 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: speaking at Scorned. You know, it seems like it's a 373 00:24:54,680 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: picture perfect life. So Randy keion Cini with me, owner 374 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 1: of the Katie Times. It seems like they really took 375 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: to teaching. Oh they did. They. You know, there's a 376 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,959 Speaker 1: lot to being a teacher. It can't just be a vocation. 377 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 1: It has to be a passion, and that is exactly 378 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: what it was for both of them. For him, it 379 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,479 Speaker 1: made sense. He started in sports and was a football player, 380 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: went into college, got his you know, got his degrees, 381 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: and then went to Ali Pacings High School and was 382 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: a coach and a teacher, And so that makes absolute sense. 383 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: For Belinda, it absolutely was a passion. When she got 384 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: her job at Katie High School, she was a special 385 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: education teacher. When they think about when you think about teachers, 386 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: it is not an easy job in the best of circumstances. 387 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: When you deal with special needs children on a variety 388 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: of levels. You have to be completely adaptable to each 389 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: individual student in every aspect of what they need. Times ten. 390 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: And she was, by all accounts, extremely happy in her job. 391 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: She loved it, She loved her students and she would 392 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: always go the extra mile for them. Here's our friend, 393 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 1: Richard's lessinger. They married and both ended up working with children. Belinda, 394 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: they married and both ended up working with children. Belinda 395 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 1: taught special ed at Katie High where her husband had 396 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 1: ruled on the football field. She was such a great 397 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: teacher because she loved kids and she understood the kids 398 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: so well. Debbie Burger, who taught in the same classroom, 399 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 1: was a close friend. She was a strong person, very direct, 400 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: but yet very loving and warm. David landed a job 401 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: in a nearby town, teaching and coaching alongside his old 402 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: rival Wade lucern Oh. I thought he was good a 403 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: coach I've ever worked with, and I'm coached for thirty 404 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: six years. He'd take guys maybe weren't as good, and 405 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: he would always try to bring their level up. No, 406 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: It's interesting to doctor Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist, the significance 407 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 1: of going back home after college. When you graduate, you 408 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: start a new life, but you return home to Katie, Texas. 409 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: What does that mean, if anything, to you. He goes 410 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: back to where he was the big man on campus 411 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: to get a job right back at his old high school. 412 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: One Nancy with that tells me is that, you know, 413 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: he kind of goes back to the place where he 414 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: had his status, where he was, you know, on top. 415 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: And I think that happens for a lot of people 416 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: when they, you know, are in an area where that 417 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: was where they were prominent, they want to go back 418 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: to sort of relive those glory days, if you will. 419 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: What about it, Brandy Brandy Key on SNI with Me, 420 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 1: owner of the Katie Times. It may mean nothing, but 421 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 1: it may mean something. To tell me about it, Well, 422 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 1: I would agree in a lot of instances, when you 423 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: have people, young people who are very popular in their community, 424 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: especially in a smaller community as Katie was back then, 425 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: they go off to college, they are in their degree, 426 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 1: and they want to come back because they want to 427 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 1: relive that time and they want to be close to 428 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 1: their families when they start their own families. So it 429 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: made complete sense that that's where they went. So the 430 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 1: two are back and it's not long until they discover 431 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 1: they're going to have a baby. To really complete that 432 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: perfect picture, how long have they been married, Brandy before 433 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: she gets pregnant. They were married a little over two 434 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: years when she got pregnant, and Evan was born in 435 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five. So, Brandy, what could you tell me 436 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: about their neighborhood? Where did they live, where did they 437 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: settle down and have the first baby? Well, they lived 438 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: in a small neighborhood right right in the middle of Katie, 439 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: and it was a great little house, and that it 440 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: was a great place to start a family. This was 441 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: a community of a lot of small families and it 442 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: was just a great starter place. It wasn't long after 443 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: that that she finds out she's pregnant again, and my world, 444 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: that was the happy, happiest time in my life when 445 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: I realized my dream of having a child was coming true. 446 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: After the murder of my fiance so many years before, 447 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: I thought it would never happen. And not only did 448 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: it happen, I had blessings rained down on my head. 449 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: I never imagined I had twins. But for Belinda, it 450 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: was bitter sweet. When David tells When David tells Belinda 451 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: he's not sure if he still loves her, she's completely devastating. 452 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: It would be a matter of months before everything blows 453 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: sky high. Nancy Grace Killers of must Us, Goodbye friend.