1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: I am back from Italy. Buck. I am jetlagged. We 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: got in last night around midnight. Probably will take me 5 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: a few days to get back to complete normalcy. But 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: an incredible trip over to Italy if you ever get 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: the opportunity to go. I'd never been before. We took 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: the whole crew. I posted some photos. I think we 9 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: had him up at Clay and Buck also had him 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: up at Instagram of the trip Florence, Rome and Naples. 11 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: Last day, Buck, we spent in Pompey, which was incredible, 12 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: covered by the eruption of Mount Vesuvius. Hike to the 13 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: top of Mount the Suvius. Just an awesome time. And 14 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: I tweeted a little bit about this. But we talk 15 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: regularly on this show about what history nerds we are, 16 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: and we're gonna get into Trump versus De Santis. Trump 17 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: said he was going to get arrested today. It does 18 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: not appear that that likely to happen. We're going to 19 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: break down New York City case Valvin Bragg, and we'll 20 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: also talk about doctor Fauci providing receipts for the wise 21 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: that he was sharing while they were working on a 22 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: hagiography documentary that is going to air on PBS. All 23 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: of that coming your way and more. But what I 24 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: come back from Italy with is a renewed appreciation for 25 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: our founding fathers, how brilliant they were to study the 26 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: history of Greece and Rome, but also just how short, 27 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: just how incredibly short our entire nation's history is. I mean, 28 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: when you're walking into the Pantheon, which is two thousand 29 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: years old and basically has been used for two thousand 30 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: years consistently in Rome, and you do the math and 31 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: you think, Okay, if someone randomly walked in here, there's 32 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: almost eighteen hundred years of this building's existence before the 33 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: United States even came into being. I mean, it just 34 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: is wild to kind of have that perspective. Also from 35 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: a religious perspective, we went to Vatican City, but the 36 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: historical aspects of Jesus, I think in many ways that 37 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: entire period it feels so remote to people, and then 38 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: you're walking around in Rome and you're like, oh, wait, 39 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: this was here before Jesus, right touring the coliseum, all 40 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: these different places. It was just an incredible experience that 41 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: I think, I hope for my kids opens their mind 42 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: more substantially, But even for me as a middle aged 43 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: forty three year old adult, I'm coming back, I think 44 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: with a renewed appreciation for much of what we have 45 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: here in America, and also a better understanding of sort 46 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 1: of the history of Rome and how it impacted the 47 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: United States, if that makes sense. Everybody was fantastic. People 48 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: were friendly. That got put on several pounds in incredible pasta. 49 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: The food was insanely good. Buck just an awesome time. 50 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: It was a great to get away. I'm excited to 51 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: be back. One of the best places you could visit period. 52 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: I'm so glad you had a lot of fun. I 53 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: will say that here we are now being told that 54 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: Trump will not be indicted at least today. And maybe 55 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: it's because, you know, wiederp returned to town here, mister 56 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: Clay Travis. You know, maybe the Commies realized they were 57 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: misbehaving too much in your absence. Yes, you well know. 58 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: And we were texting some although thanks to everybody, I 59 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: didn't get all the usual emails and everything else, so 60 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: I wasn't plugged in like I ordinarily would be, but 61 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: you're five or six hours ahead in Italy. So one 62 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: morning I woke up and you and Ali had texted 63 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: that news had broken. So you gotta go to bed 64 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: at six o'clock over at six o'clock Eastern time, which 65 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: is midnight over there, eleven o'clock, whatever it is, and 66 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: you wake up to see what the stories are going 67 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: to be. For me, sometimes march madness, what was happening 68 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: in the college basketball tournament, but the idea of Trump 69 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: putting out news that he was going to be arrested 70 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: on Tuesday and diving into this Alvin Bragg's story, Buck, 71 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: I just for people who listen, I've been predicting that 72 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: Trump was going to be indicted for a long time, 73 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: and I thought that it probably would come from one 74 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: of these states, right New York or Georgia, because I 75 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: think that's more difficult now in the wake of the 76 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: Biden classified document scandal. But I just don't think people 77 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: are talking enough about how outrageously without precedent this move 78 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: is not only for Trump but basically, Buck, what I 79 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: believe it would put in motion is almost every politician 80 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: would end up getting charged with felonies because they're going 81 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: to be Republican firebacks if Democrats do this, and it 82 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: will become standard that there will be purple walks for 83 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: politicians of both parties for decades to come. Democrats have 84 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: tried similar shenanigans in terms of the weaponization of the 85 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: law against politicians in the past, but never have you 86 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: seen it against not only a former president but a 87 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: current presidential contender. Right. That's really the part of this 88 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: that I think if you're looking at the destabilizing effects 89 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: that it could have. I mentioned before. I think it 90 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: was clay while you while you were here, before you 91 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: went away. The Ted Stevens prosecution, for example, Republican Senator 92 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: Ted Stevens, they hid evidence. I mean that as as 93 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: straightforward as it was. And as I said, you know, 94 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: federal prosecutors ended up losing their careers in one even 95 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: took his own life over over that debacle. And then 96 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: there was the Governor Bob McDonald of Virginia Honest Services 97 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: fraud prosecution. If you recall, they wanted to put McDonell, 98 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: the former governor of Virginia way for something like eleven years. 99 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: I think that was the initial that was the initial 100 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: push and his wife. His wife wasn't even official for 101 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: two years because they had deprived this was under federal 102 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: a federal prosecution. They had deprived the people of Virginia 103 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: of the services of their time. I mean, it was 104 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: a complete Supreme Court end up saying yeah, you could 105 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: literally prosecute somebody for I mean, and this comes out 106 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: of out of justice Scalia for getting a good table 107 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: at a restaurant as a politician, because hey can't count 108 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 1: on them to be honest in the restaurant industry anymore. 109 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: They got a good table. He's like, it's completely insane. 110 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 1: The Donald Trump situation though right now. First of all, 111 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: as we know, it hasn't happened. So I know, I've 112 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: been talking everybody about this obviously all day yesterday, so 113 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: I wanted to I want to make sure everyone got 114 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 1: your sort of thirty thousand foot take. Does this first 115 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: of all and your mind, does it one hundred percent happen? 116 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: You know, is there a chance that brag backs off 117 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: at this point? And the second aspect of this that 118 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: I wanted to hear your take on was or is 119 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: the political reality of this? Does this mean that Donald 120 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: Trump is the day facto Republican nominee, and is that 121 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: what Democrats want? Break those two down for Yeah, that 122 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: those are good questions. And so the first one is 123 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: it depends on what Alvin Bragg's aim is. He overwhelmingly 124 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: wins by bringing charges against Donald Trump, no matter what happens, 125 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: because then he goes into the history books as the 126 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: prosecutor who had the stones to take on Donald Trump. 127 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: And whether Trump is convicted or whether the case ends 128 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: up in being legitimately able to be brought or not, 129 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: Alvin Bragg becomes a maide man in Democrat circles. He 130 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: could decide to run for the Senate, he could decide 131 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: to run for governor. I don't see any political fallout 132 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: for Alvin Bragg at all. So in terms of whether 133 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: or not it happens, I think, honestly, and it's crazy 134 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: to have to think about this, I think it has 135 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: to go to the essence of whether Alvin Bragg wants 136 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: to effectively start nuclear war in our politics, because if 137 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: he does this, then this is going to become commonplace, 138 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: I believe, in the decades ahead, almost buck in the 139 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: same way that impeachment has kind of become standard. I 140 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: just you know, you kind of roll your eyes when 141 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: somebody gets impeached. Now, for hundreds of years it was rare, 142 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: and now you sort of feel like every president, if 143 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: they have a party that is of the opposite party, 144 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: is going to impeach for some reason or other. It 145 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: feels like that's kind of standardized. It was so cheapened 146 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: in the Trump era. I feel like these kind of 147 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: charges do that now. If the Democrats have anything on 148 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: Alvin Bragg, I don't think that they want this to 149 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: be their opening salvo on Trump because it's a weak 150 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: misdemeanor that's trying to be elevated to a felony. It 151 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 1: also steps on whatever might happen in Georgia, and more importantly, 152 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: it steps on the Department of Justice decision. So I 153 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: think Democrats nationally don't want it to happen. I think 154 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: for Alvin Bragg, it makes all the sense in the 155 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: world to happen. So can I put out this idea 156 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 1: to you which came to us. We played it on 157 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: the show yesterday when you were in flight. Andy McCarthy 158 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: had said over the weekend, I believe Andy is joining 159 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: us in the third hour, so we'll get some some 160 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: of his real time live insight onto where all this 161 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: is going. It's also a strange thing to spend a 162 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: few days. This is clay, This was there's a banking 163 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: crisis that is still unfolded by the right. Yeah, we 164 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: are on the precipice of a massive recession according to 165 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 1: a lot of very smart people. And Donald Trump getting 166 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: arrested for effectively a glorified misdemeanor that's past the statute 167 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: of limitations, that's a campaign finance issue was the biggest story. 168 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: But anyway, and it's crazy. Andy McCarthy was saying that 169 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: could this be the breaking of you know, the breaking 170 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 1: of the wall, the crossing of the rubicicon, you know, 171 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:52,239 Speaker 1: pick your metaphor whereby one seasondicted by one legal authority 172 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: that is weaponized, then Georgia, then maybe January six on 173 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: the federal side, then it sort of creates a break 174 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: of the damn effect. That's a better metaphor. What do 175 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: you think about that? I still don't think they're going 176 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: to bring federal charges on him, because I think Mark 177 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 1: Garland is going to get up eventually and wag his 178 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: finger because Biden stepped all in the classified document mess. 179 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: I think it's going to be very hard to bring 180 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: federal charges because that feels so intensely political, and also 181 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: because I believe then that blows back when you have 182 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: a national constituency. Remember, what is Alvin Bragg one? Or 183 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 1: what if he wants to be elected governor, if he 184 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: wants to be elected senator, the best thing he could 185 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: do for his own career is to charge. I think 186 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: we could. I think we can agree, you, me and 187 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: everybody listening. I don't. I don't really think there's any 188 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: doubt that the downside for Alvin Bragg is basically zero. Yes, 189 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: there if he indicts, there's nothing but upside for him 190 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: over the long term. The downside for the nation, the 191 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: rule of law, you know, our sense of politics in 192 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: this country, and what is fair play, that is all 193 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: at risk. But for him, he becomes a hero, a 194 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: guaranteed multi millionaire, and a gubernatorial and clay maybe even 195 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: beyond that political uh you know, political democrat player. That's 196 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 1: what happens for him if he does it. So why 197 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: then you got to get to the why wouldn't he 198 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,839 Speaker 1: do it? And that's why I also think charges in 199 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: George are gonna end up happening. That's what I've been 200 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: saying for a while, because again, the benefit to the 201 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: prosecutor of bringing these charges is so much more substantial politically, 202 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: and these are political animals than any of the downside. 203 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: Usually bet on big upside, no downside, you know, And 204 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: that that then goes to Andy's I think Andy's point again, 205 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: he'll be with us in the third hour of the 206 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: program to talk about this himself. But first one through 207 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: the breach creates the opening for i mean for Georgia, 208 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: your point about the decision making process in that Georgia, 209 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: you know, election interference case. If you're the second guy 210 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: to bring charges against the president, you get to be 211 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: a hero and you have to the Democrats obviously not 212 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: to the country, but also you know, you're just kind 213 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: of following, you're following suit. I think the first one 214 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: to pull, the first one to pull the lever on 215 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: this one, is making the harder call, and then it 216 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 1: just becomes easy for others to follow and say, yeah, 217 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: it's a pylon, no no doubt. And then it also 218 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: becomes easier for the media to not have to focus 219 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: on the particulars of one case and just say this 220 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 1: is evidence of the Trump being just a criminal vigilante 221 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: and all of the behavior being so unexcited. When we 222 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: come back, I'm gonna make you answer the question though, 223 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: Does this mean if they bring the charge? 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And that's the 256 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: part that as a former prosecutor and a lawyer, troubles 257 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: me the most. So that was former Trump White House 258 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: lawyer Ty Cobb, which one of it. That is the 259 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: famous baseball player, right, yeah, oh yes, right, I know 260 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: enough to know that. So, but that's the lawyer ty Cobb, 261 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: not the ball player, and he's saying what's obvious, which 262 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: is they wouldn't bring this against anybody who wasn't Trump. 263 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: The politics of this are as open and brazen as 264 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: anybody could imagine. The decision hasn't been made, so we 265 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: don't want to be labor. We got a banking crisis 266 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: we still got to talk about with Clay. The Rhonda 267 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: Santist Trump aspect, this is very interesting and we've got 268 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of topics to hit that we're going 269 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: to later on today in the show and for the 270 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: rest of the show. But Clay, the dynamics of this 271 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: for just the Republican primary are interesting and for the 272 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: general election, let's just you. You just take the ball here. 273 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: If Trump is indicted next week, does this dramatically assist 274 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: him in the primary and the general election or is 275 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: it very much conditional on what comes next. I think 276 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: it massively helps him. I don't think there's any doubt 277 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: at all, because in the same way that when the 278 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: Mara Lago raid occurred, a lot of people lined up 279 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: and said, hey, Trump, this is unacceptable. The precedent that 280 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: we are setting. I think that many people out there 281 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: will rally around Trump if he's indicted over this issue, 282 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: and the same thing if the indicted in Georgia, and 283 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: then I don't think the Department of Justice is going 284 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: to do this, but if they then jumped on as well, 285 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: it's an unprecedent in an attack against the leading political contender. 286 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: And for everybody out there who was a Democrat that's 287 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: been arguing democracy dies in darkness and all of this crap, 288 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: this is the biggest attack on our democracy that would 289 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: have occurred in any of our lives for the political 290 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: party opposing Donald Trump to try to take him out. 291 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: So remember, though, I think that they also may be 292 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: involved in this calculus book, because I think the Democrats 293 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: know that if they indict Trump, they actually make it 294 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: more likely that he's going to be the nominee. And remember, 295 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: if Joe Biden and Kamala Harris got to select their 296 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: opponent right now, they would pick Trump. That's why Democrats 297 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: are running Joe Biden. We know Biden is in I 298 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: think this is designed to actually in some way strengthen 299 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: Trump and make him more likely to be the nominee. 300 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: I gotta say, I'm curious if any of our extended 301 00:16:55,400 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: family here of radio radio listeners think that that statement 302 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: because I do think that there's an assumption right now, 303 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: it's very widespread even among Trump supporters in the primary, 304 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 1: that the Democrats would rather face off against Trump. Does 305 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 1: anyone I'm curious if anyone disagrees with that, you can 306 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: email us at Clonbuck vip Clanbuck dot com, but also 307 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: call us. I'm very curious to hear an argument about that, 308 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: right that no, they they don't want Trump, because that, 309 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: to me is an important part of this calculation. If 310 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: you if your opponents, you know, if the enemy wants 311 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: you to make a move, are they just mistaken or 312 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: is that something that we should be taking into account. 313 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 1: I also wonder, and this is a big picture question, 314 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: how does the santist We're gonna talk about this some 315 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: in the next hour and a little bit, but how 316 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: does the Santis respond to this? 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In 344 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 1: the Department of Justice decision surrounding classified documents, mar Lago 345 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: rate all of that jan six But Buck, one of 346 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: the things that that everyone is debating is Trump calling 347 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 1: for protests in the event that he's arrested. Now, I'm 348 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 1: gonna be honest with everybody out there, I will be outraged. 349 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: I'll actually be really kind of scared for the future 350 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: of our country because I think it's just going to 351 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: set the precedent that many different politicians out there are 352 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: going to get charged with crimes. Because whatever precedent you set, 353 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: ultimately the other side ends up following it down the line. 354 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 1: But I want to be really clear about this because 355 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: as soon as I saw a Trump's tweet about potentially 356 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 1: getting arrested on today, No, everyone listening to us right now, Buck, 357 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: do not do anything to protest. They are trying to 358 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: set you up for another January sixth. They want you 359 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: to knock down a barricade, they want you to storm 360 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: a courthouse. They want you to set the message of 361 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 1: Trump's supporters are deranged anti Democrat, democratic lunatics. That's the 362 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: narrative they're trying to set up. They want you to 363 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 1: lose your mind, they want you to riot. They're not 364 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: going to pay you ten million dollars like they're paying 365 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: out BLM and all these cities where riots took place 366 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: for months. They're gonna arrest you. They're gonna throw you 367 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: in solitary confinement like they have to January six political prisoners, 368 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: and almost no one in the political landscape is going 369 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: to speak out for you. Don't let it happen to you. 370 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: Got to also say here that for a lot of 371 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: people there has been there has been a reminder with 372 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: this with Trump's calls to protest, protest, protest. First of all, 373 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: it's just just an idea. Throwing the word peacefully in 374 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: there would be helpful, just so that you wouldn't have 375 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: what you did have, which was, you know, all the MSNBC, CNN, 376 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: New York Times, industrial complex saying that he's calling for riots, 377 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: He's calling for you know, yes, obviously you in good 378 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: faith you can assume that protest means First Amendment rights 379 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 1: being exercised. Peacefully. But that's not how the Democrats take it. 380 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 1: But anyway that that's a minor issue, that's just a 381 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: stylistic point. But this is not a stylistic point. What 382 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: was done by Trump and by the people around him 383 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: and the sort of moral ago power base for the 384 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: January sixth defendants, was enough done for them. There are 385 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: people who are raising these questions right now. Our friend 386 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly raised this question in a fiery monologue recently. 387 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: There are others as well who are saying, Okay, hold 388 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: on a second, since you're calling for more protests. Granted, protests, 389 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: not riots, he said, protests, of course, but we're thinking 390 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: back to what happened to the last people that showed 391 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: up and protested. How many truth socials have there been 392 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: that are fired up about the raising money for the 393 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: defense fund for j six defendants who have been lingering 394 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: in the DC gulag and they have not been given 395 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: their due process rights, they have not been afforded fair trials, 396 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: they have not been given Then you change just by 397 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: those judges they've been held for months and months on 398 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: the lunatic theory that judges have written down clay that 399 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: they might do another insurrection if they got out. This 400 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 1: includes people that didn't hurt anyone, And so people are 401 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: saying with Trump right now, what did he really do 402 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: for them? And I know people do not want to 403 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: hear that, but it is a conversation that is happening 404 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: on the right, and a lot of people don't have 405 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 1: very good answers well. And this is one where I 406 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: would say, I'm very proud of what we've done on 407 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: this program, which is I bet of almost any media outlet, 408 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: in any show, I bet we have spent more time 409 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 1: talking about those prisoners of January sixth than I donated. 410 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: You remember we had Julia Elli donated thousands of dollars 411 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: directly to try to get these guys legal representation. But 412 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: I just want everybody out there, you saw what happened 413 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 1: with the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping case. You've seen what happens 414 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: with the January six they are You've seen what they 415 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: did for the people who stand stood outside of Abortion 416 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: X and protested. I mean, guy shoves a protester lightly 417 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: and they try to put him away in prison for years. 418 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 1: This Department of Justice, they do not concern themselves with justice. 419 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: They are going after their political enemies, and if you 420 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: do anything untoured in the event that Donald Trump is arrested, 421 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 1: particularly if you do it in a blue city or 422 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: certainly if you do it in a blue state, they 423 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,239 Speaker 1: are going to throw the legal book at you. Just 424 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: like to be fair. I mean, I think this is important. 425 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: On the Alvin Bragg charges, Buck the guy took office 426 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: saying I'm not gonna prosecute felonies. I'm going to reduce 427 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 1: many felonies to misdemeanors. And now he's elevating a misdemeanor 428 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: under state law in New York to a felony to 429 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: go after Donald Trump. That's what they are going to 430 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: do to you. So listen to us. You can be angry, 431 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: you can want to get active, do not do anything 432 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: that could run you a foul of the law, because 433 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: they will come after you. And next thing you know, 434 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: you'll be a headline on CNN, you'll be a headline 435 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: on MSNBC, and they'll be talking about all the drains 436 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: Trump supporters and their reaction, which turns to be fair. 437 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: And I think if we had Trump on I would 438 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: tell them the same thing. Donald Trump, you want the 439 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: story of your arrest to be the unfounded political nature 440 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: of that arrest. You don't want it to be your 441 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: supporter's response to that arrest. If you're Trump and you 442 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: want to flash the handcuffs as you walk in and 443 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 1: define yourself as a political prisoner, I think that's a 444 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: great look for Trump. I really do. I think it 445 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 1: helps him. What does not help him is what you 446 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: know MSNBC and CNN, in New York Times and the 447 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: Washington postal du Buck is if four people get arrested 448 00:25:55,160 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: for violence, Trump getting arrested will become the secondary story, 449 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 1: and it will become look at these Trump supporting maniacs 450 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 1: trying to overthrow democracy again. They're coming after our legal 451 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: system now, they've already come after our constitution. I understand. 452 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: Also because people share this frustration with us. They say, 453 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 1: but it's so unfair because they had the BLM riots 454 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: all through twenty twenty and they you know, that's never 455 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 1: even talked about. And Kamala Harris wanted money raised fort 456 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 1: for rioters, for people that were destroying our society because 457 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 1: of I mean, as we know, what was accomplished. Nothing 458 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: was accomplished other than raising crime rates and more people 459 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: getting shot and murdered across America act as a result 460 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: of the anti police, anti law enforcement movement that Democrats 461 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: embraced in that year. That is what happened. But to 462 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: your point about what goes on now, it isn't going 463 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: to be fair. And we need to understand that it 464 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: is a rigged game. And what that means in the 465 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: context of protest in favor of or in support of 466 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: the craziness of a possible Trump prosecuted is if you 467 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: have a handful of people, a handful of people who 468 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: you know, throw throw fistsit cops or get crazy over 469 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 1: this or whatever, CNN will run it on a loop 470 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: for the next six months, for the next eighteen months. 471 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter that it's a misrepresentation. If they have 472 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 1: even the slightest opportunity, they are absolutely dishonorable propagandists and 473 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: they will use it. So that is the And now 474 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: you could say, oh, but yeah, we'll tell the truth 475 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: on this show. We'll say, guys, it was two people 476 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: that were you know, thirty thousand people protesting on but 477 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: we will tell the truth. You know, Fox will tell 478 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: the truth of what a few other you know, other 479 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: radio hosts and podcasters, et cetera. But we don't have 480 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: ninety percent of journals in the media to hammer home 481 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: and narrative. So if they just have even the smallest 482 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: window to misrepresentatives, Oh it's Jay six again, they will 483 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: do it right. And I think that's so important. We'll 484 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: take some of your calls maybe to close out the hour, 485 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: but understand what their game plan is. They want you 486 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 1: to lose your mind, they want you to break the law, 487 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: and they want to use you as a symbol of 488 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: all Trump supporters and how unacceptable your opinions are. I 489 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: understand the rage. They want Trump, they want him against Biden. 490 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 1: They're gonna do whatever they can to make it happen. 491 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: And we're going to talk about I think in the 492 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: next hour Ron de Santis and how other political candidates 493 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: that may well be running in twenty twenty four are 494 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: handling this Trump situation and what they should do. And 495 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: I'll even ask this question as we get ready to 496 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: go to break, does Trump want to be arrested? Because 497 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: when he tweeted I guess truth out that he was 498 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: going to be arrested today Tuesday, it felt a little 499 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: bit like a challenge to Alvin Bragg of go ahead 500 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: and do it. I think Trump wants the purp walk. 501 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: I think Trump wants to be charged in this case. 502 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: Is that the right move for him? I think there 503 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: are so many different aspects here that it's very hard 504 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: to predict because there's so many different moving parts here 505 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: that it's hard to analyze. To your point, Bucket, we'll 506 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: talk with Annie McCarthy about this. How does this impact 507 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: the Georgia investigation? What if anything, does Merit Garland say 508 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: publicly about these Alvin Bragg charges? How does that impact 509 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: January sixth and the classified document investigation on a federal level. 510 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I just think there's so many angles here 511 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: that become so complicated. But the biggest one is once 512 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: you set the precedent that you can arrest for relatively 513 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 1: minor charges your chief political rival, that's not ending. We 514 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: become of an Anna Republic. It's going to become a 515 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: for the rest of our lives. There will be presidential 516 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: candidates being arrested in this. I would just add, and 517 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: this is one thing I want to come back to later, 518 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: Clay laughably. Minor charges. Yeah, this is like saying somebody 519 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: was double park outside a courthouse and it's felony obstruction 520 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: of justice because the judge couldn't get into the courthouse 521 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: or something. This is crazy what they're doing, and in 522 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: the essence of it, Buck, it's charging somebody with campaign 523 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: finance violations. Almost all campaign finance violations are designed to 524 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: keep candidates from taking money for themselves. Here Trump is 525 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: giving his money to Stormy Daniels. Right. Most campaign finance 526 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: I studied it in law school is about, hey, we 527 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: don't want this guy to end up super rich because 528 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: he's stealing money. That's the exact opposite of what Trump 529 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: did here. I want to tell you, Look, if you 530 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: got low testosterone, you probably working in the Biden White House, 531 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: probably voting for Democrats. You know that the most Beta 532 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: mails out there overwhelmingly vote for Democrats. You know, overwhelmingly 533 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: men vote Republican. 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Biden's extra as the VITO 568 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: has to do with how your retirement funds are being invested, 569 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: and has to do with the fiduciary responsibilities of the 570 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: people that are in charge of moving money around to 571 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: get you to retirement or just to get you, you know, 572 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: yield on the earnings that you have ESG, which we'll 573 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: be talking about, is still going to be a part 574 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: of the decision making process. Well, we'll get there. Basically 575 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: woke investing for the meantime here to stay thanks to 576 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: Biden and at a time we have a banking crisis 577 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: play that is still unfolding and I could get a 578 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: lot uglier ever, just thinking oh yeah, it's fine, it's 579 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: gonna be fine. Just keep your composure. I don't know 580 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: if it's gonna be fine, but we'll see. Clay and 581 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,719 Speaker 1: I will dive into the banking crisis coming up here 582 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: in a couple of minutes. We got a bunch of 583 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: lines lit people fired up over the situation Trump. Let's 584 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: get to it. Jim in Texas has some thoughts about 585 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: protest Trump and the possible indicatment. What's up, Jim, Thanks 586 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: for listening. Yeah, guys, I was calling about your comments 587 00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: on that. You said don't protest. You didn't say don't protest. 588 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: You didn't say protests safely. You said don't protest. You 589 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: know we're behind the eight ball, We're we're late to protests. 590 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: We've really got to gotta get out there, Jim, Jim, 591 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 1: I have to, Jim. I remember when I talked about 592 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: that whole thing about how I want a Trump to 593 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 1: say peacefully and that exercising your First Amendment rights is fine. 594 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:24,280 Speaker 1: Of course, people assembling to protest anywhere is for any reason, 595 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: by the way that they that they choose is absolutely 596 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: absolutely essential. Clay's exhortation, he did say don't protest, He 597 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: meant don't protest and riot. Yes, So, Jim, you're you're 598 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: you're right, But I mean, if you're listen to the 599 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: contest of what we're saying, protests, my point is in general, 600 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,320 Speaker 1: they are going to try to get you to break 601 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: the law. Yes, right, So, And I don't believe if 602 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 1: one hundred thousand Trump supporters or a million Trump supporters 603 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: show up in a city, that it's going to be 604 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: possible to have a protest without some of those people 605 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 1: breaking the law. Right. It's just like you put a 606 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 1: million people together to do anything, some of them are 607 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: going to misbehave less than during the BLM protests, but 608 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 1: they then will turn you into a scapegoat a sign 609 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: of Trump having been completely overtaken the Trump supporters by 610 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,320 Speaker 1: anti Democrat mindset, and they'll put you in prison for 611 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: years if you step outside the line a little bit. 612 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,839 Speaker 1: Let's look at what's at what's going on. Appreciate Jim, 613 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: Jim and Texas calling in so everyone could be very 614 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 1: clear about about what we're getting what we're talking about here. Um. Yeah, 615 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,720 Speaker 1: if you want to have a big rally in Texas 616 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 1: and supported Donald Trump, God bless of course, you know, 617 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,919 Speaker 1: Clay and I might see you there. But if you're 618 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: talking about going to New York City to protest outside 619 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: the core of the NYPD, as they have all of 620 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: these barriers set up in the barricades and this militarized posture. 621 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 1: Showing up there. First of all, we'll do we'll do 622 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: nothing to change any minds in New York City or 623 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,760 Speaker 1: the NYPD or the District Attorney's office. And it's fine 624 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 1: to do, but you're just running the risk of them 625 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: deciding that you know, if you do even the slightest 626 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,359 Speaker 1: thing that is illegal, they'll make a much bigger deal 627 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: of it. And certainly, if you legitimately cross the law, 628 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: break the law across the lines, you could get yourself 629 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: into a whole lot of trouble. Not to mention, Look, 630 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: you could be there completely behaving within the law and 631 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 1: there's a bunch of people from Antifa there who suddenly 632 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: show up and start throwing things at police. That's exactly 633 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: swept up and arrested, and you've done nothing wrong and 634 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 1: they throw the book at you. I I want people 635 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: to understand risk reward here. Don't put yourself in a 636 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: losing proposition. I just want to want to follow book 637 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,400 Speaker 1: lay said there. Think about it this way, if Trump 638 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 1: got arrested next week, you show up to New York. 639 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 1: You're a peaceful protest to You're a patriotic American. You 640 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: just want to show your support against the tyrannical deep 641 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 1: state madness of prosecuting Donald Trump, our former president and 642 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 1: possible future president. And some anti FA lunatics are there. 643 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 1: One of them takes a swing at you, but you 644 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: take a better swing. You break his jaw. What do 645 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: you think happens to you? Do you think District Attorney 646 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: Bragg is going to say you're defending yourself. No, Clay 647 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 1: and I are going to be raising money for you 648 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: because they're gonna try to lock you away for ten years. 649 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:25,319 Speaker 1: That's what we're saying. Play Travis and Buck Sexton on 650 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,240 Speaker 1: the front lines of truth.