Speaker 1: Previously on Death and Deceit in Alliance.
Speaker 2: Spent a lot of time on that, and I guess
Speaker 2: one question is three hundred dollars to murder a woman
Speaker 2: in cold blood?
Speaker 3: The reason David Thorne is sitting in jail right now
Speaker 3: is someone that you acknowledge as a fucking liar.
Speaker 2: I know that the allegations are out there that even
Speaker 2: some in the police force were taking advantage of Yvonne's services.
Speaker 4: If that's in fact what was happening.
Speaker 3: There's a full blown declaration that they went after three
Speaker 3: friends of David's. Did they approached first and tried to
Speaker 3: coerce them into testifying against David. There are things that
Speaker 3: make you say, well, why is he staying at a
Speaker 3: freaking hotel in town that night?
Speaker 2: You know, right off the bat, A couple of things
Speaker 2: that raised my eyebrows are the knife and the pants.
Speaker 2: How did Joe lead them to the circumstances? And Joe
Speaker 2: did lead them there, then that's a big deal.
Speaker 1: This is death and Deceit and Alliance a real time
Speaker 1: investigation into whether David Thorne killed Yvonne. I'm Maggie Freeling.
Speaker 1: After the jury came back in January two thousand with
Speaker 1: a guilty verdict against David Thorn. His grandfather tried to
Speaker 1: sound calm. The truth will come out sooner or later,
Speaker 1: he told the grandson he'd raised as guards led David
Speaker 1: Thorn away to prison, but David Kazisko's claim was a facade.
Speaker 1: Outside of the courtroom, Kazisko started to shake with anger.
Speaker 1: His face went red when he saw Detective Lloyd bud Sampson,
Speaker 1: one of the cops whose testimony had condemned David for life.
Speaker 1: Kazisko told an Akron Bakrin Journal reporter quote, there's the
Speaker 1: one who made a fool out of himself on the stand,
Speaker 1: and they believed him. Now. I can't ask Kazisko his
Speaker 1: thoughts because he died in twenty fifteen, but to me,
Speaker 1: it seems like he wanted to have David's bad but
Speaker 1: knew deep down that it was going to take a
Speaker 1: lot more than just the truth to free David. And
Speaker 1: twenty one years later, I think he's right. If David
Speaker 1: is ever going to be released from prison, it won't
Speaker 1: be because his supporters prove he didn't kill his girlfriend,
Speaker 1: Yvonne Lane. It'll be because we figure out who actually did.
Speaker 1: When I met up in Ohio with John Harden and
Speaker 1: Danny Waxler, the investigators for Proclaimed Justice. One of the
Speaker 1: first things we did was try to rule in or
Speaker 1: out our people of interest in the case. The guys
Speaker 1: didn't start with Joe right away. His story has changed
Speaker 1: so many times it's hard to know what to believe.
Speaker 1: They decided to reach out to him later and gather
Speaker 1: as much information about the case as possible before trying
Speaker 1: to talk to him. Plus the word and not Joe's
Speaker 1: prison denied our visitation request. Speaking with Joe was going
Speaker 1: to be harder than we expected, so we started with
Speaker 1: Rose Moore and Chris Campbell, allegedly the people who Joe
Speaker 1: told he was going to murder someone that night. But
Speaker 1: as you heard last episode, we didn't get anything new,
Speaker 1: so we moved on to the others on our list,
Speaker 1: starting with Jim, the neighbor who was the last known
Speaker 1: person to see Yvonne just before her murder, if the
Speaker 1: coroner's correct, around five thirty pm. The coroner's window for
Speaker 1: time of death was sometime after seven pm March thirty. First, Remember,
Speaker 1: Jim said he went over to see the puppies that
Speaker 1: Yvonne was selling, although it's unclear if he ever did
Speaker 1: go inside the house to see them after that. Jim
Speaker 1: never had a particularly solid alibi for the time after
Speaker 1: five point thirty. He said he went on a bike
Speaker 1: ride after leaving Yvonne's house and then was at work
Speaker 1: by ten pm, But was he actually on a bike ride.
Speaker 1: That would have been hard to confirm back in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety nine, and it's straight up impossible now. So that
Speaker 1: leaves quite a gap of time from five point thirty
Speaker 1: to ten pm unaccounted for. And there's also Yvon's four
Speaker 1: year old Vinnie saying Josh, Jimmy or Jeremy pushed Mommy.
Speaker 1: The kids knew Jim since he was in the neighborhood
Speaker 1: and they were always running in and out of his yard.
Speaker 1: We don't know if Jim was looked at as a
Speaker 1: possible suspect by detectives William Mucklow and Bud Sampson, yet
Speaker 1: it does seem they found him interesting enough to fingerprint
Speaker 1: and compare to the partial print found on the knife
Speaker 1: blade matching Yvonne's kitchen set. The knife found down the street,
Speaker 1: not the lock blade pocket knife that Joe said was
Speaker 1: the murder weapon. The print on the kitchen knife didn't
Speaker 1: match Jim. However, it begs the question did anyone think
Speaker 1: Jim might have been involved? If the police went as
Speaker 1: far as to fingerprint him, it's not likely they were
Speaker 1: unting everyone. Some people closest to Yvonne were never printed.
Speaker 1: But Jim, the neighbor who was the last known person
Speaker 1: to see Yvonne alive, was, so we figured it was
Speaker 1: time to talk to him. Fortunately, Jim was easy to find. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's still living in the same house that touches the
Speaker 1: yard of nine sixteen Divine, the home where Yvonne was murdered.
Speaker 1: When we first went over to Jim's, his.
Speaker 3: Wife answered they.
Speaker 1: Asked to speak with Jim.
Speaker 3: We were hoping we could speak to him and kind
Speaker 3: of yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, we could do the morning too, that would be fine.
Speaker 1: So we tried him in the morning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, because we can't make him.
Speaker 5: Answer the door.
Speaker 1: As John and Danny walked away, I.
Speaker 4: Don't want to talk about that. That happened over to
Speaker 4: go and as far as I'm.
Speaker 2: Concerned that it's out a note, Yes, sir, I don't
Speaker 2: know if you if your wife told you who we are,
Speaker 2: But we were just hoping for just a few minutes.
Speaker 1: They tell him who they are and that they're reinvestigating
Speaker 1: the Yvonne Lane murder.
Speaker 6: There was a lady that came here years ago and
Speaker 6: I talked to her, and I feel that with that
Speaker 6: should suffice. I mean, that was like twenty years ago.
Speaker 6: That probably I don't know, it's I don't know, it's
Speaker 6: twenty years befo.
Speaker 1: She's talking about Sue coming to see him almost two
Speaker 1: decades ago.
Speaker 6: So I really don't want to talk about it any
Speaker 6: further than that, Okay, I mean she was to me.
Speaker 6: I thought she was a nice person, and I don't
Speaker 6: you know, if she was a nice neighbor, you know
Speaker 6: that people seem to get along with her here, and
Speaker 6: so beyond that point, I don't want.
Speaker 4: To talk about it. It's like it was. I was
Speaker 4: upset about it at the time. Yeah, sure, and you
Speaker 4: know she was. She was nice to me, and that's
Speaker 4: all I know.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we you know, we were just hoping for
Speaker 2: a couple of minutes.
Speaker 3: One of the toughest things is that I think that
Speaker 3: lady that came to visit you, when they give us
Speaker 3: information just because because they said this this or this
Speaker 3: or this, we have to kind of go validated, like
Speaker 3: I thought bad enough. No, I get that, and if
Speaker 3: we didn't at least speak to you, we would have
Speaker 3: failed in doing what we're trying to do, which is
Speaker 3: try and say, hey, who was there, who could possibly
Speaker 3: know something? If David's where he belongs. David's where he belongs.
Speaker 3: But we're going to give him a shot and see
Speaker 3: if there's credible information that maybe they got it wrong.
Speaker 1: Jim says he doesn't want to talk again, but Danny
Speaker 1: and John keep going.
Speaker 3: I guess she had puppies or something at the time.
Speaker 4: Yes, she had puppies at the time, And.
Speaker 3: That were you helping with the kids at all? Because
Speaker 3: I read something about Preston was in your tree or something.
Speaker 6: Preston cleaned my antenna, and I told her he cleanned
Speaker 6: my antenna, and because I was real worried about him
Speaker 6: climbing my antenna.
Speaker 1: And despite not wanting to talk, Jim keeps going.
Speaker 6: The only thing I can tell you was that day.
Speaker 6: And this is the most bizarre thing, is it It
Speaker 6: was so dog gone. I mean it was like there
Speaker 6: was no cars going down the street. I didn't see
Speaker 6: anybody walk in the streets. And that's What strikes me
Speaker 6: strange is why you would think that it was a
Speaker 6: nice and beautiful spring day. No cars, nothing, nothing. I
Speaker 6: didn't see anything. I'm kind of like the non observant
Speaker 6: of the non observant. I mean, I closed my curtains
Speaker 6: at night. I you know, I work midnight shift at
Speaker 6: that time, so I really don't you know, I don't
Speaker 6: know much.
Speaker 4: Of anything that went on over there. Like I said,
Speaker 4: I felt bad about it.
Speaker 6: I really don't want to talk about it beyond this
Speaker 6: point because I because I worked their shift and that's
Speaker 6: all I pretty much.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm so dog got tired, you know.
Speaker 6: They you know, I really don't know what's going on
Speaker 6: because I, like I said, I went to work and
Speaker 6: then next day I find out something that I don't
Speaker 6: even know what's going on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're an officer that lived near here.
Speaker 5: In one of these houses.
Speaker 6: I don't really want to get into all that. I mean,
Speaker 6: like I said, this is the end of this conversation.
Speaker 6: I mean, I feel like I've shared.
Speaker 4: Enough with you. Yeah, I just want to I don't
Speaker 4: want to think about it at further.
Speaker 6: I don't want to relive this. I want to just
Speaker 6: put it behind me. She's a nice person and I
Speaker 6: just want to put it behind you.
Speaker 4: I want to.
Speaker 1: Forget it, but they tried to continue.
Speaker 3: I know you've got family and law enforcement, right, Yes,
Speaker 3: mister Jenkins is a captain there and I know that sometimes.
Speaker 4: Well, hey, I gotta go. You guys have a great day.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, Jim.
Speaker 1: That was it. I'm surprised you opened the door.
Speaker 3: If he was going to say, is we were walking away,
Speaker 3: but he probably thought they're going to keep coming.
Speaker 5: Yeah, nervous little fucker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a nervous fucker.
Speaker 3: But I'm not going to talk about you get him
Speaker 3: to the porch.
Speaker 4: You got got a little bit out of him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jim didn't give them anything particularly useful from that
Speaker 1: brief interaction, but just seeing him and the kind of
Speaker 1: person he was helped them form an opinion. He didn't
Speaker 1: jump out as an obvious suspect. The reason I keep
Speaker 1: bringing up how brutal the crime is is because it
Speaker 1: seems whoever did this had an incredible amount of rage
Speaker 1: and anger towards Yvonne, someone who is likely known to
Speaker 1: have a violent history, and Jim doesn't. And we couldn't
Speaker 1: think of any reason he'd violently want to kill Yvonne.
Speaker 1: So the guys moved Jim to the bottom of the
Speaker 1: list for now and went on to the next best
Speaker 1: person of interest, someone Vinnie may have named.
Speaker 2: Hi, how are you? We're looking for Jeremy. Does he
Speaker 2: live here? He does not? Okay, he did?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Are you do you know him?
Speaker 1: Very roughly?
Speaker 2: Okay? Do you have any idea where he moved to?
Speaker 1: Okay, Like Chris Campbell, Jeremy seemed like he was going
Speaker 1: to be hard to find now. If you remember, Jeremy
Speaker 1: was the boyfriend of Linda McLaughlin and Linda was the
Speaker 1: mother of Eric Cameron, who was the father of three
Speaker 1: of Yvonne's children. Those three kids include Vinnie, who had
Speaker 1: special needs and lived with Linda rather than Yvonne, and
Speaker 1: there was tension between the two women because of this.
Speaker 1: And I know this is a complicated cast, but the
Speaker 1: gist is that Jeremy it was something like a grandfather
Speaker 1: to Vinnie during this time period, or maybe even a father.
Speaker 1: Jeremy it was in his mid forties at the time,
Speaker 1: and he was at Linda's house almost every day and
Speaker 1: he helped with raising Vinnie.
Speaker 2: Hi, how are you goodhead looking? For Jeremy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's local. Jeremy.
Speaker 2: Is he here?
Speaker 4: You don't let me he's in his name, brother, what Jeremy.
Speaker 1: The woman we found at this address is Jeremy's sister
Speaker 1: who said she had not seen him in three years.
Speaker 5: Rather do men.
Speaker 1: Decent.
Speaker 7: I tried to help. He lived here, and I knew
Speaker 7: there was something wrong. I said, Jeremy, what is wrong?
Speaker 7: Are you on drugs? He said, I'm not doing it here.
Speaker 7: I said, I'm not gonna be the one. Fine dad,
Speaker 7: you gotta live.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was the last time you saw him.
Speaker 7: Wow, came by one time, threatened to flip my throat.
Speaker 2: Did you ever know of him being violent?
Speaker 3: Okay? Was that a weird statement to make, because that's exactly.
Speaker 2: How the young girl was guilting.
Speaker 6: Throat was slipp I think that's that was just the
Speaker 6: drugs talking.
Speaker 2: It sounds like he's probably burned a few bridges over
Speaker 2: the years. Okay, had a car.
Speaker 7: I knew he was in.
Speaker 4: Fire fone car. We just left there, yep. Obviously.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 4: All the actions turned into these days.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you for your time, and again, if he surfaces,
Speaker 3: were put an alert out to if you see Jeremy had
Speaker 3: to call these guys.
Speaker 5: We greatly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, thank you very much. I appreciate y'all's time.
Speaker 4: All right, sorry to.
Speaker 1: We had hit every address we had for Jeremy and
Speaker 1: he wasn't at any but there were two phone numbers
Speaker 1: for him. One wasn't him and the other looked fake,
Speaker 1: but we tried it anyway.
Speaker 2: Hello, Yes, I'm trying to reach Jeremy. Petty.
Speaker 4: Is this Jeremy you have?
Speaker 3: Do you have any free time to talk with us?
Speaker 3: A bath weekly? Okay?
Speaker 2: What's your address?
Speaker 1: And we found him the fake numbers.
Speaker 2: The one, the one, three, four, boss seven.
Speaker 1: Holy shit, we found.
Speaker 4: Him, My god.
Speaker 1: We found Jeremy living in Akron, Ohio, in a dilapidated
Speaker 1: house on a dirt road behind a U haul facility.
Speaker 2: Hey, Jeremy, how are you?
Speaker 1: Danny had a plastic bag in his hand, and Jeremy
Speaker 1: asked what was in it?
Speaker 4: Oh, and I was sick.
Speaker 3: The kid always got chicken noodle soup and saltines, nickers
Speaker 3: and gatoraing.
Speaker 6: A little better.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm John and that's Danny.
Speaker 6: Oh.
Speaker 4: Claim justice.
Speaker 3: We're an innocent project and we've been asked to look
Speaker 3: into David's.
Speaker 5: Case and Dan's still in prite.
Speaker 1: He is, Yeah, he's in for live as usual. John
Speaker 1: and Danny explained that they're looking into David's case to
Speaker 1: find out if he's actually innocent.
Speaker 2: So that's what we're doing, is we came up from
Speaker 2: Austin yesterday and uh, just you know, talking to folks
Speaker 2: who knew everybody at the time.
Speaker 1: Jeremy said Yvonne was his best friend. Now remember we
Speaker 1: knew they were close. Yvon would go to Linda's often
Speaker 1: to see Vinnie, who was living with Linda and Jeremy.
Speaker 1: Jeremy is also interesting because, like Preston, another of Yvonne's
Speaker 1: sons said, whoever killed his mom knew Vinnie because Vinnie
Speaker 1: was taken care of. He'd been dressed as though someone
Speaker 1: had started getting him ready for the day, and Vinnie
Speaker 1: couldn't dress himself, and he normally slept in his diaper,
Speaker 1: which Preston told us he was in when he went
Speaker 1: to bed, and to the guys, Jeremy seemed like a
Speaker 1: really good person of interest. Yvonne had just taken Vinnie
Speaker 1: back to her home a few days before the murder,
Speaker 1: and Linda told Sue that Jeremy was really upset about that.
Speaker 1: I should note Jeremy's not well. He's dying of cancer,
Speaker 1: and honestly, we're lucky we caught him when we did, because,
Speaker 1: based on his age sixty for an advanced condition, this
Speaker 1: could be the last time anyone speaks to him about
Speaker 1: Yvonne or the case.
Speaker 2: So what tell me about vonn?
Speaker 5: I mean, so that's we just came close because, uh,
Speaker 5: because of the kid.
Speaker 1: Remember Jeremy and Eric's mom, Linda were taking care of Vinnie.
Speaker 5: The kids we see a long great I had thirteen
Speaker 5: of them.
Speaker 2: You have thirteen of them.
Speaker 4: By the same.
Speaker 5: How did you know her? I mean, how did you
Speaker 5: meet her?
Speaker 8: You said earlier she was your best friend.
Speaker 9: Yeah, ended up Linda and Eric and it's start coming
Speaker 9: home in once he had one one kid.
Speaker 1: Of course, Bennie took right to me, Jeremy says. When
Speaker 1: Yvonne brought Vinnie over, Vinnie took right to him.
Speaker 3: So was that friendship based just on Vinnie or were
Speaker 3: you and her?
Speaker 4: Did y'all have your time together too?
Speaker 5: Were we in? You know, you talk to me about
Speaker 5: what going on.
Speaker 10: Eric.
Speaker 1: Jeremy made very ar that he and Yvonne had a
Speaker 1: platonic relationship.
Speaker 9: Contrary to belief a man hand hand Clayton right being
Speaker 9: sexually ma right on.
Speaker 1: In fact, he said he had only been to her
Speaker 1: house two times, but both times with Linda. Jeremy and
Speaker 1: Yvonne would only hang out at Linda's house, usually in
Speaker 1: the kitchen at the table talking and doing drugs.
Speaker 9: Crazy.
Speaker 5: We was.
Speaker 9: We would pull out a bow's hands on the mars
Speaker 9: and would sit down at the kicking table at the
Speaker 9: house on the dynamo and uh with tell beer things,
Speaker 9: tell beer, see what passed out?
Speaker 5: Or you know back what who pass up? Or she
Speaker 5: just popping bills from?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So where would you guys get the drugs from?
Speaker 2: I mean, does she have somebody that she would get
Speaker 2: drugs from?
Speaker 5: That of course like a legally.
Speaker 1: If you couldn't make that out, He said he got
Speaker 1: his legally from the VA. Remember the psychic's prediction the
Speaker 1: killer had been in the military. Jeremy is a veteran.
Speaker 1: And remember the psychic also said the killer had a
Speaker 1: cross tattoo. Jeremy has a cross on his upper arm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you know who it was she was getting
Speaker 2: drugs from?
Speaker 1: John and Danny were trying to see if there was
Speaker 1: a connection to the cops and the drug scene that
Speaker 1: Jeremy knew about. He said no. Then they asked Jeremy
Speaker 1: if the police ever questioned him.
Speaker 9: Best came through Donald.
Speaker 1: So, even though there's no record of it, they did
Speaker 1: look into Jeremy allegedly. In fact, his prints were also
Speaker 1: collected on April twentieth and tested against the same kitchen knife.
Speaker 1: Jim's were no match, and if the police were doing
Speaker 1: their job, they would have also checked his alibi. Jeremy
Speaker 1: said he was working at a McDonald's in Hartville that night.
Speaker 1: Hartville is about twenty minutes from Alliance. If he did
Speaker 1: kill Yvon, Jeremy would have had to leave work during
Speaker 1: his shift, drive twenty minutes to her house, kill her,
Speaker 1: dress Vinnie, and drive back. He would probably have been
Speaker 1: gone from work for over an hour and someone would
Speaker 1: have noticed. Assuming the police did their job, they checked
Speaker 1: his time cards when they showed up at McDonald's that day.
Speaker 1: And one more thing, Jeremy didn't drive. Linda said she
Speaker 1: picked him up that night. In fact, it seems like
Speaker 1: Jeremy still doesn't drive. His sister told us she'd see
Speaker 1: him walking everywhere. John and Danny asked him straight up.
Speaker 2: You weren't there that night, Your DNA would not be
Speaker 2: on her clothes at all, had no involvement whatsoever.
Speaker 9: Okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And from talking to him, he seemed to really
Speaker 1: care about Yvonne a lot.
Speaker 4: And obviously this is.
Speaker 3: A little personal, but I'm just curious of the emotional
Speaker 3: effect that Yvonne's death had on you.
Speaker 5: Oh it dropped me. Yeah, it's somebody that I could
Speaker 5: talk to you and talk to me and be Uh
Speaker 5: at that point I'd be open about for him. Not personal,
Speaker 5: no will it could volve in anything like that. But uh,
Speaker 5: did she ever confide in you that she felt like
Speaker 5: she might have upset somebody that could have could hurt her.
Speaker 5: You know, she was never a great never paid anybody
Speaker 5: or anything to me that time and time again.
Speaker 9: One thing I do know about Yvonne show me back down.
Speaker 1: Jeremy talked about how she was a confident, composed person,
Speaker 1: but in her last days, he said he noticed a change. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jeremy said, four days before the murder, she came to
Speaker 1: Linda's house and was in a rush. He said, that
Speaker 1: was unusual.
Speaker 4: You could just tell something was wrong that day.
Speaker 1: I'm never Jary never, he said. She was frantic dropping
Speaker 1: the kids off. She told him she was going to
Speaker 1: an appointment, and Jeremy figured he talked to her later
Speaker 1: about it, but that never happened.
Speaker 3: So that would have been your last encounter with her alive.
Speaker 5: Wow, that's why I think.
Speaker 8: I think he could have done I could die and
Speaker 8: I could have somehow something. Did she go to her funeral?
Speaker 8: Did you ever see any of the kids again? I'm
Speaker 8: sorry to lead you back into these memories.
Speaker 4: I know they're painful, I can tell, but we're trying
Speaker 4: to figure out what happened.
Speaker 8: And I know that someone as close as you you
Speaker 8: had to have had a million dots run through your
Speaker 8: head wondering if it could have done this to.
Speaker 5: Her a million.
Speaker 8: Yeah, she Linda has publicly said before she passed away.
Speaker 5: Baby didn't do this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, baby didn't do that.
Speaker 5: I really don't.
Speaker 8: I mean, twenty years later, what do you think happened?
Speaker 4: I think you life switch from it.
Speaker 5: I'm I do.
Speaker 4: I honestly believe that for some reason.
Speaker 6: I don't know why.
Speaker 2: But please, Jeremy, we appreciate your time very much. And yeah,
Speaker 2: you sure did, and you've got our information, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was surprising that we left Jeremy with the
Speaker 1: feeling that he wasn't involved. He'd seemed like a really
Speaker 1: strong possibility for starters. Jeremy has a record that includes
Speaker 1: violent crime. His own sister said he threatened to slit
Speaker 1: her throat the precise way Yvonne had been killed, and
Speaker 1: he admitted to us he was incredibly fucked up back then,
Speaker 1: so could he have snapped. But mostly what we've heard
Speaker 1: about Jeremy is that when he's sober, he's a softy
Speaker 1: and wouldn't fight anyone. Even the sister he threatened said
Speaker 1: the threats he made to her were just the drugs.
Speaker 1: She never knew him to actually be violent. Though again,
Speaker 1: there's always the possibility he snapped, but from speaking to him,
Speaker 1: the guys felt he really cared for Yvonne and had
Speaker 1: no motive to kill her. Sure, they speculated maybe Jeremy
Speaker 1: wanted custody of Vinni, but after talking to him, he
Speaker 1: told the guys he knew he and Linda wouldn't get
Speaker 1: Vinnie even if Yvonne was dead. The children were supposed
Speaker 1: to and did go to Yvonne's parents after she died.
Speaker 1: It seemed to us Jeremy cared for Yvonne outside of
Speaker 1: Vinnie and wouldn't want her dead. But he did confirm
Speaker 1: a possible drug connection. Like we had heard from so
Speaker 1: many people before. His strong suspicion was that the police
Speaker 1: could have been involved. And one thing is clear to us.
Speaker 1: People in this town do not trust the cops, and
Speaker 1: maybe there's a good reason. Remember there was a new
Speaker 1: chief of police at the time of Yvonne's murder. The
Speaker 1: previous chief was fired for stealing drugs, guns and money,
Speaker 1: and other cops were implicated to Clearly, it's not just
Speaker 1: in our heads there's something up with the Alliance police.
Speaker 1: But did they have anything to do with Yvonne's death.
Speaker 1: We still couldn't shake the psychic tapes and detectives William
Speaker 1: Mucklow and Bud Sampson bringing up the possibility that it
Speaker 1: was one of their own. So it was time to
Speaker 1: speak with some people who may actually know who Yvonne
Speaker 1: was involved with back then. It's just so bizarre. It's
Speaker 1: really she had so many secrets.
Speaker 2: I don't know how she kept everything straight.
Speaker 1: Coming up, some of Yvonne's secrets start to unravel coming
Speaker 1: up on death and deceit in Alliance she had come.
Speaker 3: To you saying she'd pissed off the wrong person.
Speaker 1: She had so many secrets, it's like.
Speaker 10: Three phases that I know of her life.
Speaker 1: She was dating a cap They said they thought she
Speaker 1: was pregnant, and she probably trying to.
Speaker 10: Black you know, the daddy. I knew that she would
Speaker 10: tell people that she was pregnant and then ask for
Speaker 10: money for an abortion. That's how she would send money
Speaker 10: to Eric when he was in the joint.
Speaker 5: I think she was pregnant.
Speaker 7: She had a belly eye when I.
Speaker 2: See her, and she would shake them down, say I'm
Speaker 2: want to tell your wife or something.
Speaker 4: She had some dark sides too.
Speaker 1: What about this sex tape that Sue said you filmed.
Speaker 10: I don't know how she kept everything straight.
Speaker 1: Death and Deceit in Alliance is produced and reported by
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Speaker 1: Case is our legal researcher. Our executive producer is Eve Fishman.
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