WEBVTT - Death & Deceit in Alliance | 9. The Others 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:03.200 Previously on Death and Deceit in Alliance. 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:04.600 Spent a lot of time on that, and I guess 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:07.280 one question is three hundred dollars to murder a woman 0:00:07.360 --> 0:00:08.119 in cold blood? 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:10.320 The reason David Thorne is sitting in jail right now 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:12.479 is someone that you acknowledge as a fucking liar. 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:15.440 I know that the allegations are out there that even 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:19.520 some in the police force were taking advantage of Yvonne's services. 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:21.600 If that's in fact what was happening. 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:24.280 There's a full blown declaration that they went after three 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:27.640 friends of David's. Did they approached first and tried to 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:31.640 coerce them into testifying against David. There are things that 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:33.479 make you say, well, why is he staying at a 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:35.600 freaking hotel in town that night? 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:37.760 You know, right off the bat, A couple of things 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:40.720 that raised my eyebrows are the knife and the pants. 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:44.680 How did Joe lead them to the circumstances? And Joe 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:46.920 did lead them there, then that's a big deal. 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:55.480 This is death and Deceit and Alliance a real time 0:00:55.600 --> 0:01:01.840 investigation into whether David Thorne killed Yvonne. I'm Maggie Freeling. 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:12.319 After the jury came back in January two thousand with 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:16.520 a guilty verdict against David Thorn. His grandfather tried to 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:20.200 sound calm. The truth will come out sooner or later, 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:23.920 he told the grandson he'd raised as guards led David 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:29.919 Thorn away to prison, but David Kazisko's claim was a facade. 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:33.720 Outside of the courtroom, Kazisko started to shake with anger. 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:37.720 His face went red when he saw Detective Lloyd bud Sampson, 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:42.320 one of the cops whose testimony had condemned David for life. 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:47.400 Kazisko told an Akron Bakrin Journal reporter quote, there's the 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:49.920 one who made a fool out of himself on the stand, 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:53.800 and they believed him. Now. I can't ask Kazisko his 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:57.600 thoughts because he died in twenty fifteen, but to me, 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:00.640 it seems like he wanted to have David's bad but 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:03.480 knew deep down that it was going to take a 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:07.840 lot more than just the truth to free David. And 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.800 twenty one years later, I think he's right. If David 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:15.520 is ever going to be released from prison, it won't 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:19.600 be because his supporters prove he didn't kill his girlfriend, 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:25.200 Yvonne Lane. It'll be because we figure out who actually did. 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:28.720 When I met up in Ohio with John Harden and 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:33.000 Danny Waxler, the investigators for Proclaimed Justice. One of the 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:36.360 first things we did was try to rule in or 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:40.080 out our people of interest in the case. The guys 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:43.400 didn't start with Joe right away. His story has changed 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:46.160 so many times it's hard to know what to believe. 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:49.160 They decided to reach out to him later and gather 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:53.040 as much information about the case as possible before trying 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:56.080 to talk to him. Plus the word and not Joe's 0:02:56.120 --> 0:03:01.200 prison denied our visitation request. Speaking with Joe was going 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:03.720 to be harder than we expected, so we started with 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:07.600 Rose Moore and Chris Campbell, allegedly the people who Joe 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:10.440 told he was going to murder someone that night. But 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:13.480 as you heard last episode, we didn't get anything new, 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:16.760 so we moved on to the others on our list, 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:20.440 starting with Jim, the neighbor who was the last known 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:23.800 person to see Yvonne just before her murder, if the 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:28.200 coroner's correct, around five thirty pm. The coroner's window for 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:33.680 time of death was sometime after seven pm March thirty. First, Remember, 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:36.320 Jim said he went over to see the puppies that 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:39.720 Yvonne was selling, although it's unclear if he ever did 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:43.720 go inside the house to see them after that. Jim 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:47.520 never had a particularly solid alibi for the time after 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:49.800 five point thirty. He said he went on a bike 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:53.000 ride after leaving Yvonne's house and then was at work 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:57.520 by ten pm, But was he actually on a bike ride. 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.520 That would have been hard to confirm back in nineteen 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:05.080 ninety nine, and it's straight up impossible now. So that 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:08.360 leaves quite a gap of time from five point thirty 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:13.000 to ten pm unaccounted for. And there's also Yvon's four 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:18.960 year old Vinnie saying Josh, Jimmy or Jeremy pushed Mommy. 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:21.320 The kids knew Jim since he was in the neighborhood 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:24.119 and they were always running in and out of his yard. 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:26.880 We don't know if Jim was looked at as a 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:31.279 possible suspect by detectives William Mucklow and Bud Sampson, yet 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:34.720 it does seem they found him interesting enough to fingerprint 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:37.480 and compare to the partial print found on the knife 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:41.880 blade matching Yvonne's kitchen set. The knife found down the street, 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.880 not the lock blade pocket knife that Joe said was 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:49.200 the murder weapon. The print on the kitchen knife didn't 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:53.360 match Jim. However, it begs the question did anyone think 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:56.159 Jim might have been involved? If the police went as 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:59.720 far as to fingerprint him, it's not likely they were 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:04.240 unting everyone. Some people closest to Yvonne were never printed. 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:07.800 But Jim, the neighbor who was the last known person 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:12.159 to see Yvonne alive, was, so we figured it was 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:20.119 time to talk to him. Fortunately, Jim was easy to find. Yeah, 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:22.680 he's still living in the same house that touches the 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:27.000 yard of nine sixteen Divine, the home where Yvonne was murdered. 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:29.120 When we first went over to Jim's, his. 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:35.159 Wife answered they. 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:34.040 Asked to speak with Jim. 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:36.680 We were hoping we could speak to him and kind 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:38.280 of yeah. 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.920 Oh, we could do the morning too, that would be fine. 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:42.440 So we tried him in the morning. 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:50.080 Yeah, thank you, because we can't make him. 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:50.560 Answer the door. 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:57.880 As John and Danny walked away, I. 0:05:57.800 --> 0:05:59.560 Don't want to talk about that. That happened over to 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:02.960 go and as far as I'm. 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:05.680 Concerned that it's out a note, Yes, sir, I don't 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:07.800 know if you if your wife told you who we are, 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:09.840 But we were just hoping for just a few minutes. 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:13.400 They tell him who they are and that they're reinvestigating 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:14.960 the Yvonne Lane murder. 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:17.080 There was a lady that came here years ago and 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:18.440 I talked to her, and I feel that with that 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.839 should suffice. I mean, that was like twenty years ago. 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:23.440 That probably I don't know, it's I don't know, it's 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:24.120 twenty years befo. 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:27.880 She's talking about Sue coming to see him almost two 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:29.000 decades ago. 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:31.080 So I really don't want to talk about it any 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:33.960 further than that, Okay, I mean she was to me. 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:36.800 I thought she was a nice person, and I don't 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:38.400 you know, if she was a nice neighbor, you know 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:40.760 that people seem to get along with her here, and 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:42.320 so beyond that point, I don't want. 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:44.159 To talk about it. It's like it was. I was 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:46.599 upset about it at the time. Yeah, sure, and you 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:48.560 know she was. She was nice to me, and that's 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:48.919 all I know. 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:51.320 So yeah, we you know, we were just hoping for 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:52.120 a couple of minutes. 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:55.160 One of the toughest things is that I think that 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:58.640 lady that came to visit you, when they give us 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:02.080 information just because because they said this this or this 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:05.480 or this, we have to kind of go validated, like 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:08.400 I thought bad enough. No, I get that, and if 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:10.440 we didn't at least speak to you, we would have 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:12.480 failed in doing what we're trying to do, which is 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:15.280 try and say, hey, who was there, who could possibly 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:19.040 know something? If David's where he belongs. David's where he belongs. 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:21.280 But we're going to give him a shot and see 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:24.400 if there's credible information that maybe they got it wrong. 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:28.240 Jim says he doesn't want to talk again, but Danny 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:29.960 and John keep going. 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:32.680 I guess she had puppies or something at the time. 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:34.960 Yes, she had puppies at the time, And. 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:36.920 That were you helping with the kids at all? Because 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:40.040 I read something about Preston was in your tree or something. 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:44.840 Preston cleaned my antenna, and I told her he cleanned 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:47.520 my antenna, and because I was real worried about him 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:48.400 climbing my antenna. 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:52.440 And despite not wanting to talk, Jim keeps going. 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:54.400 The only thing I can tell you was that day. 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:58.560 And this is the most bizarre thing, is it It 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:01.880 was so dog gone. I mean it was like there 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:04.520 was no cars going down the street. I didn't see 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:07.000 anybody walk in the streets. And that's What strikes me 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:10.480 strange is why you would think that it was a 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:15.360 nice and beautiful spring day. No cars, nothing, nothing. I 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:18.520 didn't see anything. I'm kind of like the non observant 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:20.600 of the non observant. I mean, I closed my curtains 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:23.240 at night. I you know, I work midnight shift at 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:26.280 that time, so I really don't you know, I don't 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:26.680 know much. 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:28.360 Of anything that went on over there. Like I said, 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:29.200 I felt bad about it. 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:30.560 I really don't want to talk about it beyond this 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:33.080 point because I because I worked their shift and that's 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:33.960 all I pretty much. 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:37.120 I'm like, I'm so dog got tired, you know. 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:39.560 They you know, I really don't know what's going on 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:42.080 because I, like I said, I went to work and 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:43.960 then next day I find out something that I don't 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:44.559 even know what's going on. 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:47.559 Yeah, you're an officer that lived near here. 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:48.440 In one of these houses. 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:50.360 I don't really want to get into all that. I mean, 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:52.120 like I said, this is the end of this conversation. 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:53.400 I mean, I feel like I've shared. 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:55.080 Enough with you. Yeah, I just want to I don't 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:56.240 want to think about it at further. 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:58.360 I don't want to relive this. I want to just 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:01.280 put it behind me. She's a nice person and I 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:02.240 just want to put it behind you. 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:02.880 I want to. 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:05.559 Forget it, but they tried to continue. 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:08.160 I know you've got family and law enforcement, right, Yes, 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:11.440 mister Jenkins is a captain there and I know that sometimes. 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:13.959 Well, hey, I gotta go. You guys have a great day. 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:18.040 Okay, thank you, Jim. 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:22.920 That was it. I'm surprised you opened the door. 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:26.600 If he was going to say, is we were walking away, 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:30.560 but he probably thought they're going to keep coming. 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:33.439 Yeah, nervous little fucker. 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:38.120 Yeah, he was a nervous fucker. 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:41.640 But I'm not going to talk about you get him 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:42.160 to the porch. 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:43.800 You got got a little bit out of him. 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:50.199 Yeah, Jim didn't give them anything particularly useful from that 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:54.000 brief interaction, but just seeing him and the kind of 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:57.959 person he was helped them form an opinion. He didn't 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:01.120 jump out as an obvious suspect. The reason I keep 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:04.160 bringing up how brutal the crime is is because it 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:08.360 seems whoever did this had an incredible amount of rage 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:13.360 and anger towards Yvonne, someone who is likely known to 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:17.079 have a violent history, and Jim doesn't. And we couldn't 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:21.760 think of any reason he'd violently want to kill Yvonne. 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:25.120 So the guys moved Jim to the bottom of the 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:27.679 list for now and went on to the next best 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:31.200 person of interest, someone Vinnie may have named. 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:36.440 Hi, how are you? We're looking for Jeremy. Does he 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:41.880 live here? He does not? Okay, he did? 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:42.360 Okay? 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:44.920 Are you do you know him? 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:46.160 Very roughly? 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:48.560 Okay? Do you have any idea where he moved to? 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:53.000 Okay, Like Chris Campbell, Jeremy seemed like he was going 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:56.280 to be hard to find now. If you remember, Jeremy 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:59.640 was the boyfriend of Linda McLaughlin and Linda was the 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:03.640 mother of Eric Cameron, who was the father of three 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:07.800 of Yvonne's children. Those three kids include Vinnie, who had 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:11.120 special needs and lived with Linda rather than Yvonne, and 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:13.760 there was tension between the two women because of this. 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:16.920 And I know this is a complicated cast, but the 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.800 gist is that Jeremy it was something like a grandfather 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:23.520 to Vinnie during this time period, or maybe even a father. 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:26.319 Jeremy it was in his mid forties at the time, 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:30.040 and he was at Linda's house almost every day and 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:31.800 he helped with raising Vinnie. 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:39.040 Hi, how are you goodhead looking? For Jeremy. 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:41.319 Yeah, that's local. Jeremy. 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:42.120 Is he here? 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:48.440 You don't let me he's in his name, brother, what Jeremy. 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.920 The woman we found at this address is Jeremy's sister 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:58.040 who said she had not seen him in three years. 0:11:58.600 --> 0:11:59.400 Rather do men. 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:01.120 Decent. 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:05.480 I tried to help. He lived here, and I knew 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:07.560 there was something wrong. I said, Jeremy, what is wrong? 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:09.960 Are you on drugs? He said, I'm not doing it here. 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:11.680 I said, I'm not gonna be the one. Fine dad, 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:12.280 you gotta live. 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:15.080 Yeah, and that was the last time you saw him. 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:19.880 Wow, came by one time, threatened to flip my throat. 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:23.200 Did you ever know of him being violent? 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:28.959 Okay? Was that a weird statement to make, because that's exactly. 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:29.800 How the young girl was guilting. 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:33.160 Throat was slipp I think that's that was just the 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:33.920 drugs talking. 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:36.319 It sounds like he's probably burned a few bridges over 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:38.440 the years. Okay, had a car. 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:42.040 I knew he was in. 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:45.160 Fire fone car. We just left there, yep. Obviously. 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:49.200 Yeah, yeah, that's. 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:51.160 All the actions turned into these days. 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:54.720 Well, thank you for your time, and again, if he surfaces, 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:59.920 were put an alert out to if you see Jeremy had 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:00.920 to call these guys. 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:02.000 We greatly. 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:06.120 Yeah, okay, thank you very much. I appreciate y'all's time. 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:08.000 All right, sorry to. 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:12.679 We had hit every address we had for Jeremy and 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:16.800 he wasn't at any but there were two phone numbers 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:20.240 for him. One wasn't him and the other looked fake, 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:29.280 but we tried it anyway. 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:33.440 Hello, Yes, I'm trying to reach Jeremy. Petty. 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:36.640 Is this Jeremy you have? 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:41.200 Do you have any free time to talk with us? 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:47.199 A bath weekly? Okay? 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:48.200 What's your address? 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:50.559 And we found him the fake numbers. 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:53.040 The one, the one, three, four, boss seven. 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:57.040 Holy shit, we found. 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:57.959 Him, My god. 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:02.120 We found Jeremy living in Akron, Ohio, in a dilapidated 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:05.640 house on a dirt road behind a U haul facility. 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:10.360 Hey, Jeremy, how are you? 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:15.360 Danny had a plastic bag in his hand, and Jeremy 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:16.559 asked what was in it? 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:18.240 Oh, and I was sick. 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:24.000 The kid always got chicken noodle soup and saltines, nickers 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:25.200 and gatoraing. 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:28.080 A little better. 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:34.320 Okay, So I'm John and that's Danny. 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:37.360 Oh. 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:38.280 Claim justice. 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:40.840 We're an innocent project and we've been asked to look 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:42.080 into David's. 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:43.600 Case and Dan's still in prite. 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:46.800 He is, Yeah, he's in for live as usual. John 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:50.120 and Danny explained that they're looking into David's case to 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:52.320 find out if he's actually innocent. 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:54.960 So that's what we're doing, is we came up from 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:59.200 Austin yesterday and uh, just you know, talking to folks 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:00.720 who knew everybody at the time. 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:07.360 Jeremy said Yvonne was his best friend. Now remember we 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:10.120 knew they were close. Yvon would go to Linda's often 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:12.680 to see Vinnie, who was living with Linda and Jeremy. 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:17.600 Jeremy is also interesting because, like Preston, another of Yvonne's 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:22.160 sons said, whoever killed his mom knew Vinnie because Vinnie 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:25.400 was taken care of. He'd been dressed as though someone 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:28.680 had started getting him ready for the day, and Vinnie 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:32.520 couldn't dress himself, and he normally slept in his diaper, 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.480 which Preston told us he was in when he went 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:39.280 to bed, and to the guys, Jeremy seemed like a 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:43.840 really good person of interest. Yvonne had just taken Vinnie 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:46.080 back to her home a few days before the murder, 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:50.640 and Linda told Sue that Jeremy was really upset about that. 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:54.560 I should note Jeremy's not well. He's dying of cancer, 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:58.440 and honestly, we're lucky we caught him when we did, because, 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:03.160 based on his age sixty for an advanced condition, this 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:06.400 could be the last time anyone speaks to him about 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:07.880 Yvonne or the case. 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:09.960 So what tell me about vonn? 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:13.360 I mean, so that's we just came close because, uh, 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:14.600 because of the kid. 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:18.240 Remember Jeremy and Eric's mom, Linda were taking care of Vinnie. 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:20.200 The kids we see a long great I had thirteen 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:20.480 of them. 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:23.240 You have thirteen of them. 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:25.960 By the same. 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:28.560 How did you know her? I mean, how did you 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:28.920 meet her? 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:30.880 You said earlier she was your best friend. 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:37.240 Yeah, ended up Linda and Eric and it's start coming 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.480 home in once he had one one kid. 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:42.800 Of course, Bennie took right to me, Jeremy says. When 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:46.520 Yvonne brought Vinnie over, Vinnie took right to him. 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:49.520 So was that friendship based just on Vinnie or were 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:50.000 you and her? 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:51.840 Did y'all have your time together too? 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:55.960 Were we in? You know, you talk to me about 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:56.760 what going on. 0:16:57.520 --> 0:16:57.720 Eric. 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:01.880 Jeremy made very ar that he and Yvonne had a 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:04.040 platonic relationship. 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:09.960 Contrary to belief a man hand hand Clayton right being 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:11.359 sexually ma right on. 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:14.480 In fact, he said he had only been to her 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:18.919 house two times, but both times with Linda. Jeremy and 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:22.040 Yvonne would only hang out at Linda's house, usually in 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:25.840 the kitchen at the table talking and doing drugs. 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:26.520 Crazy. 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:26.840 We was. 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:31.880 We would pull out a bow's hands on the mars 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:34.920 and would sit down at the kicking table at the 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:41.000 house on the dynamo and uh with tell beer things, 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:44.719 tell beer, see what passed out? 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:47.320 Or you know back what who pass up? Or she 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:48.919 just popping bills from? 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:54.119 Yeah, So where would you guys get the drugs from? 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.240 I mean, does she have somebody that she would get 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:56.960 drugs from? 0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:01.280 That of course like a legally. 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:04.399 If you couldn't make that out, He said he got 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:08.560 his legally from the VA. Remember the psychic's prediction the 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:12.400 killer had been in the military. Jeremy is a veteran. 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:15.879 And remember the psychic also said the killer had a 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:19.720 cross tattoo. Jeremy has a cross on his upper arm. 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:22.639 Yeah, do you know who it was she was getting 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:23.280 drugs from? 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:27.000 John and Danny were trying to see if there was 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:29.639 a connection to the cops and the drug scene that 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:33.080 Jeremy knew about. He said no. Then they asked Jeremy 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:39.240 if the police ever questioned him. 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:42.440 Best came through Donald. 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:44.640 So, even though there's no record of it, they did 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:48.480 look into Jeremy allegedly. In fact, his prints were also 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:52.879 collected on April twentieth and tested against the same kitchen knife. 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:55.840 Jim's were no match, and if the police were doing 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:59.800 their job, they would have also checked his alibi. Jeremy 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:03.080 said he was working at a McDonald's in Hartville that night. 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:07.440 Hartville is about twenty minutes from Alliance. If he did 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:10.760 kill Yvon, Jeremy would have had to leave work during 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:14.400 his shift, drive twenty minutes to her house, kill her, 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:18.320 dress Vinnie, and drive back. He would probably have been 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:21.680 gone from work for over an hour and someone would 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:24.720 have noticed. Assuming the police did their job, they checked 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:27.200 his time cards when they showed up at McDonald's that day. 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:31.320 And one more thing, Jeremy didn't drive. Linda said she 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:33.879 picked him up that night. In fact, it seems like 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:38.120 Jeremy still doesn't drive. His sister told us she'd see 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:42.720 him walking everywhere. John and Danny asked him straight up. 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:49.600 You weren't there that night, Your DNA would not be 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:53.480 on her clothes at all, had no involvement whatsoever. 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:54.399 Okay. 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:59.560 Yeah, And from talking to him, he seemed to really 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:02.320 care about Yvonne a lot. 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:05.200 And obviously this is. 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:09.679 A little personal, but I'm just curious of the emotional 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:12.320 effect that Yvonne's death had on you. 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:18.200 Oh it dropped me. Yeah, it's somebody that I could 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:21.200 talk to you and talk to me and be Uh 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:27.959 at that point I'd be open about for him. Not personal, 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:34.400 no will it could volve in anything like that. But uh, 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:37.240 did she ever confide in you that she felt like 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:40.400 she might have upset somebody that could have could hurt her. 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:44.520 You know, she was never a great never paid anybody 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:48.080 or anything to me that time and time again. 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:52.440 One thing I do know about Yvonne show me back down. 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:57.000 Jeremy talked about how she was a confident, composed person, 0:20:57.280 --> 0:21:06.159 but in her last days, he said he noticed a change. Yeah, 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:09.560 Jeremy said, four days before the murder, she came to 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:12.359 Linda's house and was in a rush. He said, that 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:13.159 was unusual. 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:15.680 You could just tell something was wrong that day. 0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:24.240 I'm never Jary never, he said. She was frantic dropping 0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:26.359