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Speaker 2: I guess maybe because the team I love to see

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Speaker 2: But otherwise just wall to wall action BYU ended up

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Speaker 2: This is a very uh, this is a heavy time

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Speaker 1: We are going to talk to our friend Ari Wasserman

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Speaker 2: It's possible that Penn State is actually has to play

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Speaker 1: It's listen, it's all fair. We got, as I said,

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Speaker 2: all happening at the same time.

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Speaker 1: Great, great, love it great. Yea. The only big draft

435
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Speaker 1: declaration that I could find, and it should come as

436
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Speaker 1: no great surprise. Caleb Johnson the running back for Iowa

437
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Speaker 1: as a side of to go pro. Depending on where

438
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Speaker 1: you look, he's either great as the number two or

439
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Speaker 1: number three running back this cycle. Number one is Ashton

440
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Speaker 1: Gin That goes without saying in some cases. Omari and

441
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Speaker 1: Hampton the back from UNC is great as two, but

442
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Speaker 1: Caleb Johnson is right there in some order. It is

443
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Speaker 1: those three guys who are sort of leading the pack

444
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Speaker 1: with respect to NFL Draft running back prospects. So again,

445
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Speaker 1: not a surprise, just something that we wanted to get

446
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Speaker 1: on the record here. Damn anything else jump out to

447
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Speaker 1: you from a news standpoint before we get to Ari.

448
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Speaker 2: I don't think so. I'm just trying to I've seen

449
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Speaker 2: a lot of stray thoughts about the playoff and I actually,

450
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Speaker 2: you know, there's a I think it's BCS. Know how,

451
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Speaker 2: there is some Twitter accounts, some social media account that

452
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Speaker 2: like points out, like what the BCS rankings would be

453
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Speaker 2: if the BCS were still a thing, And I think

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Speaker 2: it's Oregon Texas one and two, And you think to yourself,

455
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Speaker 2: all right, kind of makes sense all things considered, with

456
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Speaker 2: Ohio States loss with Notre Dames, you know, resume loss

457
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Speaker 2: or resume killing loss with one loss eleven and one,

458
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Speaker 2: and not playing in a conference championship, with Penn State

459
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Speaker 2: being in the same conference as Oregon, and having that,

460
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Speaker 2: you know, loss to a team that Oregon b You're like,

461
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Speaker 2: it's kind of clean this year. I for the BCS.

462
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Speaker 2: You know I hated the BCS. I hated the BCS

463
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Speaker 2: with every fiber of my being.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say though, yeah, every time I look

465
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Speaker 1: at that Twitter account or any time I look at

466
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Speaker 1: anyone running the formula who's figured out how to incorporate

467
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Speaker 1: all of these new elements. Sure it really has stood

468
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Speaker 1: the test of time. I mean it's really damn accurate

469
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Speaker 1: all things considered.

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Speaker 2: It's also, by the way, a year in which a

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Speaker 2: number of these conference championship games it maybe you'd have

472
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Speaker 2: to go through every year and I just haven't. So

473
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Speaker 2: maybe that's on me, but like it feels especially worthless

474
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Speaker 2: this year. You're just like, well, we got to find

475
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Speaker 2: out who deserves the Big Ten crown, the undefeated team

476
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Speaker 2: or the one loss team. You're like, well, Morgan kind

477
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Speaker 2: of did it already. You look at the ACC, you

478
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Speaker 2: look at the Big Twelve. I think the Big twelve

479
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Speaker 2: is a legit case where you're like, who deserves it?

480
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Speaker 2: You know both of these teams have lost two games

481
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Speaker 2: in the conference. Then you're like, oh, I guess it's

482
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Speaker 2: Joey Maguire who beat both of these teams. We should

483
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Speaker 2: just give the Red Raiders the conference crowd give it

484
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Speaker 2: to them, baby, give it to Yeah. In the SEC,

485
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Speaker 2: we have Texas and Georgia. George's lost a couple times,

486
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Speaker 2: Texas hasn't even though they lost head to head, and

487
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Speaker 2: like the Premier League way of thinking about is like, well,

488
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Speaker 2: we have an SEC champion. Guys, Texas has the best

489
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Speaker 2: record at the end of this whole thing, and they

490
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Speaker 2: scheduled at least what looked to be a good non

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Speaker 2: conference game in the ACC. Seems SMU has done more

492
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Speaker 2: to earn this than Clemson in kind of a formality,

493
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Speaker 2: But here we are.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this fell off the back of a truck

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Speaker 1: for Clemson this week, let's be real.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh absolutely, And I'm not saying I'm picking.

497
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Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily picking against Clemson. Oh but ending up here, yes,

498
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Speaker 1: but this fell off the back of a truck losing

499
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Speaker 1: their way into this absolutely Clemson Tigers. So yeah, there

500
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Speaker 1: is like that element of like, why why are we

501
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Speaker 1: doing this every year? What is this exercise in especially

502
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Speaker 1: when we have this extended playoff? But the television.

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Speaker 2: Overlords have their way, as always.

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Speaker 1: The television over I will get to the TV overlords

505
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Speaker 1: here after our interview with Ari, because okay, great, I'll

506
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Speaker 1: talk through what these games are just so you can

507
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Speaker 1: plan accordingly. They're good games if nothing.

508
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Speaker 2: Now, I mean, boy, see you at LV is great.

509
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Speaker 2: But we saw it.

510
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Speaker 1: We did, we did, but and there are some rematches here. Yeah,

511
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Speaker 1: but I'm excited to see these games. They look like

512
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Speaker 1: they're gonna be a ton of fun joining us now.

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Speaker 1: We had to bring them in out of a bullpen

514
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Speaker 1: for this one. One of our best friends, Ari Wasserman

515
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Speaker 1: over at Andy and Ari on three, let's talk some

516
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Speaker 1: Ryan day, Ari, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I feel honored to get called up into the bullpen,

518
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Speaker 3: and I just want you guys to know this is

519
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Speaker 3: a brand new MIC today, first day using it, and

520
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Speaker 3: I built the stand on my own, which is a

521
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Speaker 3: huge growth for me. All you had to do was

522
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Speaker 3: screw it together, and I figured I felt pretty good

523
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Speaker 3: about it. But yeah, I'm happy to be here. This

524
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Speaker 3: is always a very hot button issue and I feel

525
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Speaker 3: like Groundhog's Day because we have to have it every

526
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Speaker 3: four years. But this one, I think is particularly different,

527
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Speaker 3: So I'm excited to get into it.

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Speaker 1: When we called you out of a pen, they were

529
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Speaker 1: playing timmy trumpet and getting the whole crowd worked up

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Speaker 1: for this one because Yeah, you've informed us before we

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Speaker 1: hit record that you have some fresh takes that might

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Speaker 1: only be available exclusively on a show, which we.

533
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Speaker 2: Feel that's some knuckle curves ready to roll.

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Speaker 1: If we're very privileged to see the Ari Wasserman Ryan

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Speaker 1: Day slurv on today's an.

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Speaker 3: Episode, guarantee they were going to be good takes or

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Speaker 3: interesting ones, So you know, you know, buyer Beware.

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Speaker 1: Thirteen to ten was the final Michigan one. The immediate

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Speaker 1: aftermath of this game, I think we all did kind

540
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Speaker 1: of our part to react to it on our show.

541
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Speaker 1: On your show, everybody kind of did the same thing.

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Speaker 1: You had a chance to go back and rewatch the game.

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Speaker 1: What was your impression on the rewatch as opposed to

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Speaker 1: seeing the game in the moment. How did you come

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Speaker 1: away feeling knowing that this sort of used to be

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Speaker 1: your beat? How did you kind of come away feeling

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Speaker 1: after the rewatch?

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Speaker 3: I talk a lot about Ohio State because I spent

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Speaker 3: a decade in my life covering that team, and I think,

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Speaker 3: you know, being a national podcaster and columnist is hard

551
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Speaker 3: in terms of like gaining institutional knowledge of places and

552
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Speaker 3: understanding them to their core the way I do with

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Speaker 3: Ohio State, and it's an important place and a lot

554
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Speaker 3: of people care about it, so it kind of worked

555
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Speaker 3: out well for me. And like I will say this

556
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Speaker 3: in full disclosure, guys, I watched the game in College

557
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Speaker 3: Station with Andy out of Texas Roadhouse, and we were

558
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Speaker 3: sitting at a bar and we were eating those cinnamon

559
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Speaker 3: butter roles that they give you, and I was like,

560
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Speaker 3: I didn't really start really really paying attention to the

561
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Speaker 3: game until the second half because I was knee deep

562
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Speaker 3: in cinnamon butter. Like and by the way, been on

563
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Speaker 3: this diet journey. I smashed food on Saturday. I was

564
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Speaker 3: like one of those days of like it' rivalry Saturday.

565
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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna eat whatever I want and get back

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Speaker 3: on the wagon on Sunday. So I didn't really start

567
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Speaker 3: to consider that Ohio State would lose the game until

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Speaker 3: the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 1: Like I thought that it was just.

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Speaker 3: A rivalry game and they were playing poorly and that

571
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Speaker 3: Michigan's offense stunk, and then Ohio State would throw it

572
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Speaker 3: to a receiver at some.

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Speaker 1: Point and then win the game.

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Speaker 3: So once they lost, it was almost like shocking to me,

575
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Speaker 3: like more shocking than the previous ones because unlike the

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Speaker 3: previous three. This is the first time Ohio State lost

577
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Speaker 3: to a bad team. Like Ryan Day, say what you

578
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 3: want about his performance in the rivalry, and there's a

579
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Speaker 3: lot to say about that he has gone through the

580
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Speaker 3: first five years of his Ohio State leadership without ever

581
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Speaker 3: losing to a bad team, regardless of their uniform. And

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Speaker 3: I think you could make the case that this is

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Speaker 3: the worst winner of the Ohio State Michigan rivalry game

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Speaker 3: maybe in the history of the rivalry, like in terms

585
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Speaker 3: of like how good the team that one was. And

586
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Speaker 3: I think you could make the case that this is

587
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Speaker 3: the most shocking upset loss in the history of the rivalry.

588
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Speaker 3: Certainly go back to ninety six, and if you are

589
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Speaker 3: feeling extra advantageous, going back to nineteen sixty nine, which

590
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Speaker 3: is a game that happened basically one hundred years ago

591
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Speaker 3: that people still talk about. So yeah, and it was

592
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Speaker 3: done in a way where it was just egregiously coached

593
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 3: and just mismanaged. So like that to me is it's

594
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 3: like weird things happen. It's college football teams lose to

595
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 3: teams they shouldn't, Like, Oh, Georgia could have lost to Georgia.

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Speaker 1: Attack on stuff happens.

597
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Speaker 3: But this entire program, it's coach, it's players, its fans

598
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 3: are built on winning this football game. And for you

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Speaker 3: to have the worst game plan imaginable, almost as if

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Speaker 3: like you've never even coached football before going into this

601
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Speaker 3: game and trying to take a injury riddled offensive line

602
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Speaker 3: and run the ball down Michigan's throat when their only

603
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Speaker 3: real hallmark on their team is an elite defensive line

604
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Speaker 3: without trying to use the advantage, not trying to attack

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Speaker 3: Michigan in a way where you have the advantage, I

606
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Speaker 3: thought was egregious. So you know, it's did he choke?

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Speaker 1: Is he? John Cooper?

608
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Speaker 3: Like all these things are important, but like when you

609
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 3: get down to the tactical x's and o's on how

610
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 3: Ohio State to attack Michigan, it almost felt fixed. It

611
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 3: was that bad. It's like, how could you possibly do that?

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Speaker 1: Somebody left a comment for us saying that, in their opinion,

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Speaker 1: it seemed like they tried to out Michigan. Michigan, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I thought that was an interesting way of putting it.

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Speaker 1: I hadn't thought of that beforehand, but it was almost

616
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Speaker 1: a confounding game plan. It seemed to go it's almost

617
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Speaker 1: like counter to everything we know that they are good

618
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Speaker 1: at otherwise.

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Speaker 3: And it's like my whole column about this game afterward

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Speaker 3: was that Ryan Day is mentally on it. It's like

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Speaker 3: this is a mental issue, like whatever it is. And

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Speaker 3: I think that that is under the umbrella of mental

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Speaker 3: issue because I think that he probably got so bogged

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Speaker 3: down on trying to prove that Ohio State could be

625
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Speaker 3: tough and to win a game. He ended up playing

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Speaker 3: four quarters on Michigan's terms, which when you have a

627
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Speaker 3: team that can barely get a first down half the time, like,

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Speaker 3: how on earth are you doing that? And they had

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Speaker 3: big turnovers and all these things that they could have

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Speaker 3: done no points off those turnovers in the second half,

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Speaker 3: and then of course this defense that has been elite

632
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Speaker 3: all year gave it up again in the fourth quarter

633
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Speaker 3: with long sustained drives against the team that you know,

634
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 3: frankly speaking, has a terrible offense. So you know, there's

635
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Speaker 3: a lot to unpack there. One is, if you have

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Speaker 3: an Ohio State coach who does everything right but beat Michigan, can.

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Speaker 1: They that person be Ohio State's coach?

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Speaker 3: Like I think that at that that's a baseline discussion

639
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 3: that you could have had had Michigan been eleven and

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00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 3: one this year and good. And then the other baseline

641
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 3: question is, if you are a team that invested twenty

642
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 3: million dollars into a roster, in a program that invests

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Speaker 3: as much as it does into a recruiting budget, facilities,

644
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 3: fan experience, all that stuff into the football team, how

645
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 3: could how is this game plan or what they put

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Speaker 3: on the field on Saturday a acceptable representation of that investment.

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Speaker 3: And those two things are very heavy stuff, which all

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Speaker 3: lead to my opinion, which is a Ryan Day probably

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Speaker 3: isn't fit to be ohiosed he's coach anymore.

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Speaker 2: What do you know about the relationship between Ryan Day

651
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 2: and Chip Kelly? Just because Chip Kelly is somebody who

652
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: Ryan Day probably holds into as high esteem as anybody

653
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 2: he's worked with, right that he is like his one

654
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: time mentor he's worked with him before he's older. They're

655
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: from the same part of the country, They're from the

656
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 2: same state, from the same area, right, they have this

657
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 2: history together that if there were anybody who could pull

658
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: Ryan Day aside and say, like, what is this game plan?

659
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: Man? Who are you trying to prove this to?

660
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 2: Like are you still angry about Lou Holtz from last

661
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 2: year and calling you soft, like who cares, Let's run

662
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 2: an offense that can beat Michigan. Michigan State scored seventeen

663
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: or whatever against Michigan. It's not on the defense, which

664
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 2: I don't think you actually think it's on the defense

665
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: because it's a don't It was a two yard touchdown

666
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: drive that Michigan had in this game after the interception.

667
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: This is just me guessing here, why is Ryan Day

668
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 2: not listening to chip Kelly? If we think this is

669
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: a Ryan Day stubbornness issue.

670
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 3: Well, that's what's so weird about the situation, guys, because

671
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 3: chip Kelly was supposed to be the thing that shielded

672
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 3: Ohio State from having the emotional pitfalls that lead to

673
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 3: them losing games like this. Like chip Kelly was supposed

674
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 3: to be the one designing the offense and calling the plays,

675
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 3: and from what I understand, that's what happened on Saturday.

676
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 3: But it looked like it would have looked if Ryan

677
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 3: Day was more bogged down on you know, those.

678
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: Thoughts than calling an offense.

679
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 3: So it's like Ohio State has four receivers that are

680
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 3: going to be first round picks on their team, and

681
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 3: Michigan was without their two best players in the game

682
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 3: on top of being bad, including Will Johnson, their their

683
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 3: NFL corner And did they throw the ball downfield? Like

684
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 3: in the game? Was it once? The entire second half

685
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 3: they just didn't possess the ball and when they did,

686
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 3: they just ran it up the middle for no gain.

687
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 3: And it was just a bizarre thing. And like, you know,

688
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 3: I've spent a lot of time in my career covering

689
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 3: Ohio State, going back and watching Ohio State games and

690
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 3: understanding and being familiar with the rivalry, and it was

691
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 3: like when Jim Trussell was the coach, they would go

692
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 3: out and have like five to seven new plays offensively

693
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 3: a game just for that game that nobody had seen

694
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 3: all year, Right, And it's like when Ohio State goes

695
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 3: out on the field, whether it be against Michigan or

696
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 3: anybody else, it's just out, we're going to rely on

697
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 3: talent and we're going to win, and there's no it

698
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 3: almost looks like there was the game plan that we

699
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 3: saw on Saturday. Look like nobody even prepared for the game.

700
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: Like that's like I would be like, that's what I

701
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 3: would see if you just showed up without watching film

702
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 3: and are just like, let's play, and like I don't

703
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 3: want to be hyperbolic, and I'm actually working on it, right,

704
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 3: And I really do not think I am being hyperbolic.

705
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 3: Like it was the worst game plan I think I

706
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 3: have ever seen. I can't I can't even think of

707
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 3: anything that would be on like in terms of at

708
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 3: least Ohio State, anything that would come close to it.

709
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 3: And they've had some pretty head scratching losses in the too,

710
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 3: Like I was at the fifteen Michigan State game where

711
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 3: Ezekiel Elliott rushed of all like nine times and they

712
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 3: ended up losing to a backup quarterback at home, Like

713
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 3: that was the worst blunder of urban Meyer's career.

714
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: That this was worse.

715
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 3: You know, at least is Isekiel Elliott was in the

716
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 3: hospital that week and like had some infection in his

717
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 3: leg that stopped him from being fully healthy. Like there's

718
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 3: at least an excuse, Like I don't even know what

719
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 3: the answer is here, and like could Michigan be that

720
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 3: deep in Ohio State's brain and DNA to cause this?

721
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 3: And if they can, then you can't continue to proceed

722
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,720
Speaker 3: because there's no way, like if Ohio State was playing

723
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 3: that exact team with the same personnel, but they were

724
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 3: wearing Indiana's a terrible example this year Purdue uniforms, but

725
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 3: it was the same player on a different field somewhere

726
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 3: else called something different as Ohio State like a thirty

727
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 3: one point favorite, Like, I mean, I don't think people

728
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 3: are because Michigan's the defending national champion, are respecting and

729
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 3: acknowledging how bad they've been, Like they're not a good team.

730
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 3: So that's the worst team Ohio State's lost to since

731
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 3: they lost to Purdue in twenty eighteen.

732
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: Ron del Mori, Yeah, yeah, What is it about this job?

733
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 2: Bruce Feldman wrote about this for The Athletic that has

734
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 2: sort of seemingly ground Ryan Day down to a nub

735
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 2: emotionally and talking, you know, doing the interviews ahead of

736
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 2: time where he said, you know, this is on par

737
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: with some like horrible like personal life trauma. Is there

738
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 2: any coming back from this? Like, is there any reason

739
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 2: to believe? Because there's reason to believe that Ryan Day

740
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: is an excellent college football coach. Big picture right, forty

741
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: seven to one against what non Michigan Big Ten teams,

742
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: something crazy impressive that basically any program would.

743
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 3: Be loe and the one is the number one team

744
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 3: in the country right right, and the one is on

745
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 3: the road.

746
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: By one point, who has been number one for the

747
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 2: past few weeks in the country. Is there is there

748
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: a reason that you can believe? And we got the

749
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: sort of like, hey, Ryan Day is doing you now

750
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 2: stories in the off season. I think maybe I'm conflating

751
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 2: that with Brian Kelly from whenever, but that it was like,

752
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: there's a there's a chiller nature to Ryan Day this

753
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 2: past offseason. Is there any coming back from this? I

754
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: know your answer and what you've written is no, But like,

755
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 2: do you see a world in which he realizes the

756
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 2: error of his you know, hubrists and stubbornness or whatever

757
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 2: and is able to you know.

758
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: Move forward.

759
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 3: It's been four years, Like you got to fix that

760
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 3: after two If you're getting paid ten million dollars to

761
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 3: be Ohio State's head coach, you don't get five years

762
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 3: to figure that out. So I don't know, Like the

763
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 3: thing that's just different now is that in the past,

764
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 3: losing to Michigan ended your season and that's how you

765
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 3: went into the off season, Like Ohio State might be

766
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 3: hosting a playoff game in two weeks, right, it also matters,

767
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 3: so not that like it didn't really. I mean, it

768
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 3: mattered in the sense that they won't be Big ten champions,

769
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 3: and it mattered in terms of what matter to people

770
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 3: of course, but it didn't matter in the national championship race. So, like,

771
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 3: is there any coming back from this? I mean, I

772
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 3: guess you know, you guys remember what happened in twenty

773
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 3: two when they lost to Michigan and the world was

774
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 3: on fire. They almost beat Georgia, and if they would

775
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 3: have beaten Georgia, they likely would have won the national title.

776
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 3: And I don't know what we would be saying about

777
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 3: Ryan Day right now. I don't think I would say

778
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 3: he can't be the coach anymore. So yeah, like they

779
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 3: have games to play and they're the third I don't

780
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 3: know if you guys saw this, but they're the third

781
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 3: highest betting favorite in terms of like the shortest odds

782
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 3: to win the national title.

783
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: Well Michigan, So yeah, they don't have to play Michigan again. Yeah.

784
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 3: The thing that you guys have to understand about the

785
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 3: Ohio State fans is and this is going to sound psychotic,

786
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 3: and I'm not even sure it's true, but I think

787
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 3: it might be true that even if Ohio State won

788
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 3: a national championship this year, there would be a level

789
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 3: of disgust about what happened on Saturday that you can't

790
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 3: wash away even with the title. Like, like, I national

791
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 3: championship is more important than beating Michigan.

792
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, right, But.

793
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 3: I don't know if you can still like exist in

794
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 3: a system where you can't beat your rival when that's.

795
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: Not the right way to do it. Yeah, Like, and

796
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: it's like.

797
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 3: What like if you ask an Ohio State fan, like,

798
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 3: they'll win three national championships under Ryan Day in the

799
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 3: next fifteen years, but they won't beat Michigan once.

800
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: Like do you think they take that deal right? Right? Like?

801
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 3: I don't know, like some would, I don't know that

802
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 3: everybody would.

803
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this. Sorry, one of the

804
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: popular schools of thought online right now, if there is

805
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: any debate over this, and if you believe Bruce Felman's column,

806
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: he's saying the only people who want Ryan Day to

807
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: stick around are Michigan fans, which there probably is some

808
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: credence to that. If not Ryan Day, then who That's

809
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: to Dan's point, the record has been pretty good. It

810
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: hasn't been great against Michigan, but all things considered, he

811
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: has been, yes, an excellent college football coach. If not

812
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: Ryan Day, who is the fix? Is there a fix

813
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: out there at Ohio State? So how much do they

814
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: pay for search firms? Guys?

815
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 2: I think seven figures something like that.

816
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: Seven figures. Yeah, I don't make seven figures. I don't know.

817
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's the thing. It's like, you there

818
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 3: are two schools of thought on this, guys. One is

819
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 3: Ohio State. Is Ohio State. It has all the money

820
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 3: in the world, it has the advantageous recruiting advantages. Anybody

821
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 3: can go get really good players to play there. You

822
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 3: need a coach that gets it. And then on the

823
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 3: other hand, it's like Ryan Day does ninety five percent

824
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 3: of the job better than everybody else outside of Dan

825
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 3: Lanning and Kirby smartin college football. You fire him because

826
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 3: he's zero four against Michigan. In the last few years,

827
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 3: they don't recruit as well, and like they turn into

828
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 3: Tennessee or something like. And Ohio State has never had

829
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 3: prolonged down periods. They've always seemed to figure it out.

830
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 3: But like when Jim Tressel got fired, Urban Meyer fell

831
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 3: out of the sky. Like that was like almost like

832
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 3: divine intervention for them, Like it's like right, you know,

833
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 3: So I think that coaching changes are the one thing

834
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 3: outside of NCAA sanctions, which are going to be fewer

835
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 3: and far between in the future, that can derail a program.

836
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 3: So like, you know definitively what Ohio State is under

837
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 3: his leadership, which is an eleven win team who will

838
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,760
Speaker 3: make the playoff literally every year. In this new system,

839
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 3: they will never not make they if they start losing

840
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: because he has no track record for losing team to

841
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 3: gain teams that aren't very good until Saturday, that was

842
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 3: the first time they lost to a bad team. So

843
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 3: do you take the thing that you know or do

844
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 3: you say what we know is unacceptable because of the

845
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 3: Michigan game and take a shot at something. And it's like,

846
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 3: I don't think Mike Rabel is ever going to coach

847
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 3: at Ohio State.

848
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: Like that's the number one name that you hear all

849
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: the time.

850
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 3: And then he was just on some show somewhere talking

851
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 3: about how he couldn't stand how he had to go

852
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 3: open up the stadium when recruits would come to visit

853
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 3: even though they weren't coming there. Yeah, Like that's not

854
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 3: the temperament of a human being that once is on PMT.

855
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah.

856
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 3: So like I saw that clip and I was just like, yeah,

857
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 3: that person does not want to coach college football and

858
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 3: he's going to be an NFL head coach soon. So

859
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 3: it's like, do you go back to Luke Fickle? Like

860
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 3: Wisconsin's kind of on fire right now, Like do you

861
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 3: want to do that?

862
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: Like or do you?

863
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 3: And like the thing too is it's very complicated at

864
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 3: Ohio State because being an Ohio native matters to a

865
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 3: lot of people. And the two coaches who have been

866
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 3: terrible against Michigan but otherwise good at their job and

867
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 3: every other facet where John Cooper and now Ryan Day

868
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 3: and neither of them were from Ohio. So like if

869
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 3: your candidate has to be from Ohio, then like that

870
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 3: whittles your pool down.

871
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: But then who is it?

872
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 3: So it's like a very complicated thing.

873
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 1: Now.

874
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 3: The thing that I will say, guys is that if

875
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 3: you watched the postgame news conference of that man, and

876
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 3: like here's the thing.

877
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: I like him a lot.

878
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 3: He is a good dude, very good person and comes

879
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 3: from a great family. And like everything about him is

880
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 3: a good like leader for a program. He looked like

881
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 3: he wanted to cease, like like walk cease to exist

882
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 3: in this job and like walk out of there. Like

883
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 3: he wasn't looking reporters in the eye, like he is

884
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 3: a broken man at the moment. So like when you ask,

885
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 3: as they're coming back from that, well, we'll see on

886
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 3: the field in two weeks if Ohio State can muster

887
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 3: up some pride and play well and make a run here.

888
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: But well, it's also it's also like who wants that?

889
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: Hell right?

890
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 3: Not?

891
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 2: I mean, the right person at Ohio State will have

892
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 2: a great job and will you know, seemingly have a

893
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 2: great life. You know, but then it comes back in stress.

894
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, full.

895
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 3: Circle because it isn't like beating that Michigan used to

896
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,439
Speaker 3: be easy, like and it should have been easy. That's

897
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 3: the reason why everybody's freaking out. Like you lose to

898
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 3: the Michigan team that won the national championship last year.

899
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 3: It's like that sucks, but you understand it. You lost

900
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 3: to a good team. It's a rivalry. Stuff happens.

901
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm not even saying the Michigan part of it.

902
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 2: I'm saying who wants what is now on the shoulders

903
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 2: of a major head college football coach in twenty twenty

904
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: five of recruiting and portal and nil and a twelve

905
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 2: team playoff and an expanded conference that now you have

906
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 2: to play Oregon and USC and whoever else and on

907
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: top of all the mission, like who is actually I'm

908
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 2: gonna say, like very like maybe they're three and a

909
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 2: half people on earth who could actually successful navigate the

910
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 2: Ohio State job. And other than beating Michigan, Ryan Day

911
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 2: has been excellent, which is not good enough, of course,

912
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 2: but like it's just in the way that like the

913
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 2: head coach of Alabama, the head coach of Georgia, the

914
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 2: head coach of Texas, these are all like hellish experiences

915
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 2: in terms of what a guy has to do.

916
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: And is that the.

917
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 3: Reason why when the Alabama job opened they hired somebody

918
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 3: in thirty eight hours that had never coached at that level?

919
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: You know, like are at a place like that, right?

920
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 3: And like is that why we're gonna find out that

921
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 3: Alabama hired a nice guy like Ryan Day who isn't

922
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 3: a psychopath and a I mean Kayla, yeah, yeah, right,

923
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 3: Like are we gonna be talking about that in five years,

924
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 3: Like do you have to be a do you have

925
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 3: to be a certain type of machine to exist at

926
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 3: those places and be successful long term? Because Ryan Day

927
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 3: you could go to Chili's with and have a nice

928
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 3: lunch with and talk about tennis and Wilson shirts and

929
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 3: dieting and all that, Like you could not do that

930
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 3: with urban Meyer, right, Like urban Meyer was so programmed

931
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 3: at one thing and like them or not, you know,

932
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 3: personal opinions of the guy aside he was a he

933
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 3: was a machine. So like that, and how many people

934
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 3: exist like that right now?

935
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: When coaches coach?

936
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 3: And I think part of the reason why there aren't

937
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 3: that many coaching positions opened at all and the sport

938
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 3: is because there aren't candidates flying around like there used

939
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 3: to be, right right, and nobody is who they are

940
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 3: until they get their shot like Glenn Schuman, for instance.

941
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 3: The assistant at Georgia could be the next Kirby Smart

942
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 3: when and if he gets his shot soon. But like

943
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 3: there's no big time proven coaches. You saw it with

944
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 3: the A and M search last year, you saw the

945
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 3: Alabama search, like there's no well who do you get? Well,

946
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 3: you pay a search firm, you have an athletic director

947
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 3: who's making seven figures, use their understanding of what needs

948
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 3: to be done in the sport to guide that decision.

949
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: Like who am I to say who it should be?

950
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 3: I don't know, like somebody who isn't scared to game

951
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 3: plan a functional plan against your rival. So start there.

952
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: Ari. Ohio State's new ada is Ross Buork, who has

953
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: a bit of a history, a bit of a history.

954
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: Little yeah, paying the Armis buyouts before or after re

955
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: upping Jimbo Fisher down. Not his money to be, not

956
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: his money, not his money. But there's a bit of

957
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: a track record there. One of the I guess more

958
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: scandalous thoughts that I have seen floating around online is that, hey,

959
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 1: Ohio State should just bring back Urban Meyer. No, I

960
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: don't do that. Where do you think the Ohio State

961
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: fan base is on that idea?

962
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna get clipped on this one. So

963
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 3: I covered every game and every day of the Urban

964
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 3: Meyer era, and I will say that I think that

965
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 3: there are two schools of thought on that. One is

966
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 3: that I believe that he's very underappreciated. I think Ohio

967
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 3: State is what they are today because of the groundwork

968
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 3: that he to bring them into the new era. Like,

969
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 3: I don't know if Jim Trussel would have just stayed

970
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 3: an extra ten years, if Ohio State would have made

971
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 3: that recruiting turn and turned into a juggernaut the way

972
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 3: that they had in terms of like talent accumulation, money spent, expectations,

973
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 3: all those things. On the other hand, he's a very

974
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 3: problematic human who has had some issues so like, and

975
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 3: I don't think that his way of doing things, not

976
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 3: that I even think he would be interested.

977
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: Right, of course, this is hypothetical. I'm just just sort

978
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: of parroting what I saw online.

979
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 3: Let's do rich Rod to West Virginia next. I don't

980
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 3: know if his leadership style can work in the nil

981
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 3: era because he ruled by fear by I don't need

982
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 3: to know your name until you do something.

983
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: Who were you?

984
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 3: If you're not going to do good enough, get the

985
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 3: hell out of here, like that sort of thing. And

986
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 3: it's like in the Portal nil era, like he ruled

987
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 3: by fear and expectation.

988
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: And I think that that is, you know, great, because.

989
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 3: It works and it demands a lot of things out

990
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 3: of people. But I don't know if you can do

991
00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 3: it when people can just hop in the portal when

992
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 3: everything want no, So, like, I think people would be mad,

993
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 3: and I think some would be excited. I think it

994
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,720
Speaker 3: would be a disaster if it ever actually happened.

995
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 2: What what do they do from here? What in your estimation,

996
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 2: knowing how this place operates, is it on Ryan Day

997
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 2: to figure out if he wants to be in Columbus.

998
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 2: You know, there was a story after that There's not

999
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 2: really an appetite to spend you know, upwards of forty

1000
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: million dollars buying him out at this point, especially because

1001
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 2: they're like a playoff team, Like this wasn't a catastrophic

1002
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: season in its totality, unless you believe it's all Michigan,

1003
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,280
Speaker 2: which I mean that's true for a lot of people.

1004
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 3: It is though because of the investment and what they

1005
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 3: did to like losing two games. Of course this roster

1006
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 3: is insane. Yeah, but go yes, sorry Yeah.

1007
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 2: So who does the future of Ohio State fall on

1008
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 2: in this moment?

1009
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1010
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 3: So, I mean that would have to be ross By Yorke, right,

1011
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 3: But I do think that he's already made a statement

1012
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 3: to the Columbus Dispatch that they were one hundred percent

1013
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 3: behind Ryan Day. So like in terms of like five

1014
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,720
Speaker 3: hiring him, I don't think that's going to happen.

1015
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 2: Is there a universe in which he's like, God, I

1016
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 2: had so many great years here, this is always going

1017
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 2: to be a special place to me. Onto USC I

1018
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 2: think there is, yeah, or on to the offensive coordinator

1019
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 2: job for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

1020
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 1: Or something like. I don't know.

1021
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's going to happen. But like

1022
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 3: the man that we saw in the press conference after

1023
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 3: the game on Saturday did not look like a man

1024
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 3: who wanted to be the coach there anymore. But at

1025
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 3: the same time too, like when he got hired, Guys,

1026
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 3: the Cleveland Plain Dealer sent me to New Hampshire to

1027
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 3: spend time with his family and to like get to

1028
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:36,919
Speaker 3: know him as a human and.

1029
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: Write a big profile on him.

1030
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 3: And like his brother toured me around New Hampshire and

1031
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 3: like the places I used to play, and you know,

1032
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 3: I went to his high school. I look through the eearbook,

1033
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 3: Like I feel like I got a sense in an

1034
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 3: essence of who Ryan Day is as a person, and

1035
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 3: like that is a competitive dude, you know, like he

1036
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 3: is like driven by winning, And I don't think you

1037
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 3: could become the Ohio State coach if you weren't driven

1038
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 3: by that. But like it's already as bad as it

1039
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 3: possibly can get, Like if they lost to Ohio State

1040
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 3: or to Michigan next year at Ohio State, Like is

1041
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 3: it worse than it feels right now for them? Probably not,

1042
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 3: It's just is what it is at that point. Like

1043
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 3: for me, I would take the free role if they'd

1044
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 3: have me back and try to not go out like that, Like,

1045
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 3: as a person who is competitive, quitting is the worst

1046
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 3: thing you can do, right, like because then your legacy

1047
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 3: is cemented as that, Like if Ohio State would have

1048
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 3: beaten Michigan this year and won the national title in

1049
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 3: a hypothetical world, all would have been forgiven. I still

1050
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 3: think that if he could figure out a way to

1051
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 3: fix it, that all could still be forgiven, Like if

1052
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 3: they win a national title this year, or beat Michigan

1053
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 3: next year and win a national title next year, which

1054
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 3: is always possible at Ohio State, Like you can forgive that,

1055
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 3: but you have to be willing to try to fix

1056
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 3: it now. The issue for me, and the reason why

1057
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 3: I don't think he should be the coach anymore, is

1058
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 3: that I think we have enough evidence that he's not

1059
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 3: in a position to.

1060
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: Do that because if he could, it would have been

1061
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: done already.

1062
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 3: Like if he fixed the issue, it would have been

1063
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 3: they would not have lost on Saturday. This would have

1064
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 3: been me Like, this would have been like that, And

1065
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 3: that's a layup. I mean you could play that game

1066
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 3: one hundred times. If they come in with the right

1067
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 3: with the right game plan, they probably win ninety eight

1068
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 3: of them, right, Like I don't I have no idea

1069
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 3: how like if you simulated that in an alternate universe, how

1070
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,439
Speaker 3: that could happen again? Like it was that bad. I'm

1071
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 3: not trying to be again hyperbolic, it was that bad.

1072
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 3: So could he get this team back? Could he get

1073
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 3: this fan base back? Absolutely? Do I believe that he

1074
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 3: has the ability to do that anymore? Absolutely not.

1075
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:39,399
Speaker 2: So you're now you're saying, potentially beat Michigan fifty five

1076
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 2: to ten next year and poetically once again go out

1077
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 2: like it was Marcus Hall with the Double Birds after

1078
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 2: he was kicked out of the game like a decade

1079
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 2: ago for Ohio State.

1080
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 3: Like if I were him, wouldn't that be so much better?

1081
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 3: Like to live with yourself because I think about how

1082
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 3: much money he's made at Ohio State, and how much

1083
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Speaker 3: of his life he's put on the line for that program.

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00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 3: To go out and just be the footnote of the

1085
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 3: guy who couldn't beat Michigan for the rest of your

1086
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 3: life would be a pretty terrible thing for a competitive person.

1087
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 3: So like part of me thinks he's going to like

1088
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 3: tap out and go find another job somewhere so that

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00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 3: he can like be in a sane place where he

1090
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 3: doesn't have to worry about whether people are going to

1091
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 3: pick on his kids, you know, at school, or whether

1092
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 3: he needs a police escort to get home. Like that's

1093
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 3: that's insane. And if you act like that, you're a psychopath.

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00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 3: But that's Ohio State, like people like you know, that's

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00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 3: how it is.

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Speaker 1: So like he might not want to live in that

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00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 1: world anymore.

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Speaker 3: But you're also making a lot of assumptions, like you know,

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Speaker 3: what he said during the week about like what happened

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00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 3: with his father and how this ranked up there with

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00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 3: one of the worst thing that's I don't think he's

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00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 3: saying it was as bad as that, but I think

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00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 3: what he's saying is that he takes a tremendous amount

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00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 3: of pride. Yeah, in his work, and like for me,

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00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 3: it's like if I got busted for plagiarism or something,

1106
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,760
Speaker 3: or like I said something on air that got me fired,

1107
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 3: that would be one of the worst things that ever

1108
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 3: happened to me. And that doesn't mean that it's a

1109
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 3: more important than family or things that could go wrong,

1110
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 3: you know, in your personal life, but like your profession

1111
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 3: when you're a coach is your personal life. That is

1112
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 3: your life, right, So like I think that he feels

1113
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,760
Speaker 3: that way and look the way that he did on Saturday,

1114
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,879
Speaker 3: because it is like, literally, outside of a terrible thing

1115
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 3: with his family, the worst thing that could possibly happen

1116
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 3: to him, and it keeps happening every year, And I

1117
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 3: just don't know, it's so complicated because it's like everyone's

1118
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 3: like fire everybody, but it's like it's so much more

1119
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 3: complicated than that.

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Speaker 2: So why didn't Why didn't the big money feel that

1121
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 2: way after the game? Why aren't they as impassioned as I.

1122
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 3: Think that they probably are. But we're also like six

1123
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 3: months away from revenue sharing and all these important expensive

1124
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 3: things that are happening, And it's like, do is it

1125
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 3: a smart use of money to fire a coach who's

1126
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 3: going to be owed forty mil Yeah, I don't think

1127
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 3: two weeks so smart sport, Yeah yeah, yeah, when you're

1128
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 3: two weeks away from playing in the playoff, right, and

1129
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 3: like we won't be Like could you imagine if they

1130
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 3: won the national title now, like it's on the table

1131
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 3: if they figure it out, it's always on the table

1132
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 3: for them. This would be much different. I don't think

1133
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 3: they will. I think they're broken, but I I think

1134
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 3: the story is still being written. Okay, but right now

1135
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,439
Speaker 3: as I sit here right now, I don't think he'll

1136
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 3: be the coach there next year.

1137
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 2: Wow, based on just leaving for some for greener pastures,

1138
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 2: deciding himself to do so.

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00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 3: I don't think he's going to be fired. Okay, I

1140
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 3: don't think. I don't think he'll be fired, but I

1141
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,760
Speaker 3: do think that he might find another job somewhere.

1142
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 2: That's a forty million dollar decision.

1143
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

1144
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I don't know. It's like they

1145
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 3: could win three more games, and like your perspective changes.

1146
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 3: It's really hard to try to write the ending to

1147
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 3: a story I think that hasn't been completely unfolded yet.

1148
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 3: And then on the other hand, when I say that

1149
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 3: It's like, I also know kind of how he is,

1150
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 3: and I don't know that he would want to quit.

1151
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: So it's just it's complicated.

1152
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:08,720
Speaker 2: It's complicated, not complicated. Andy and ari On three two

1153
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 2: generally awesome dudes. And why I say generally, I mean

1154
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 2: all the time. Listen to their show read ari on

1155
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,399
Speaker 2: On three and uh as always thanks for coming on.

1156
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 1: Love you guys. All right, Dan, there you go, Ari Wasserman,

1157
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: some fresh hot takes for the Rebowler hood. Yes, talking

1158
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: through Ryan Day and Ohio State, and man, what a

1159
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 1: what a mess.

1160
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 2: That would be? I mean, is there precedent for the

1161
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 2: head coach of a place as big as Ohio State

1162
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 2: voluntarily leaving for not an upgrade in job esteem or quality,

1163
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 2: for like an offensive coordinator job in the NFL?

1164
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: I mean Urban Meyer left Florida because of health reasons, right,

1165
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he took time off. He took some

1166
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: time off, So I guess that would probably be the

1167
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: closest comp that comes to mind. But you know, what

1168
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 1: we're talking about here is essentially mental burnout. What we're

1169
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: talking about here is like borderline yips. I don't know

1170
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: if we've got a comp for that. I mean it

1171
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: does feel somewhat unprecedented, as is hiring anybody to take

1172
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: over at Ohio State. We just kind of went through

1173
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: this exercise with Alabama. It's really hard to hire somebody

1174
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: at a program that big. I am not equating Ryan

1175
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,760
Speaker 1: Data Nick Saban, but I think it's a tough gig

1176
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,720
Speaker 1: to try and just plug somebody into and expect success

1177
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: given all the resources they have given some of the

1178
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: baggage they now have over the last four years of

1179
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: losing the Michigan has been a while since they won

1180
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: a national championship. That is always the expectation at Ohio State.

1181
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: It's a complicated mess, as I think already pointed out,

1182
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: a good mess, and that you have everything you could

1183
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: possibly imagine to make the program successful. But with that

1184
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: comes great responsibility. And I just don't know where Ryan

1185
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: Day is at right now.

1186
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 2: It's going back to Spider Man, TI. It's always always

1187
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 2: back to Spider Man.

1188
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 1: Somebody called me Tomy maguire on our YouTube comments recently,

1189
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: so because of how you look or because of your

1190
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: Spider Man love, I guess because of how I look

1191
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: up or because of the Spider Man love. I don't know.

1192
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 2: I'm not crawling the ceiling here. I don't always get it.

1193
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 2: Worse things to be called. Yeah, here is.

1194
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,399
Speaker 1: What we are looking at this weekend. If we are

1195
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: to take a look ahead, there are three games on

1196
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: Friday night. The big one is UNLV against Boise State.

1197
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: Boise State is favored by three and a half points

1198
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: a time of recording. At the same time, though, is

1199
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: Tulane against Army. Tulane minus four against Army. I am

1200
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: going to hammer the crap. I almost said a different

1201
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: word out of Tulane minus the four. Okay, just throwing

1202
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: that out there. Two lane early lock of the week.

1203
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: Also Friday at seven pm CBS Sports Network, We've got

1204
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: Western Kentucky against Jacksonville State for the Conference USA Crown.

1205
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: Jack State favored by three and a half points. Then

1206
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: as we turn the corner into Saturday, there are six

1207
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: games of note. Saturday high noon on ABC. We've got

1208
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: Iowa State against Arizona State. Arizona State favored by battlefield goal.

1209
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: I play that one in Arlington Saturday at four o'clock.

1210
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: It's Georgia, It's Texas. It's a rematch. Texas is favored

1211
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: in this one despite the earlier matchup. Earlier in the year. Yes,

1212
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: then two games, doubleheader at eight pm, Clemson squaring off

1213
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: against SMU. SMU favored by two and a half points

1214
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: for the acc game, and then the big in the

1215
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: sort of solid ver Bowl My Penn State nitey lyons

1216
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: your Oregon Ducks favored by as we said earlier, just

1217
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: three and a half points, eight pm on Fox Lucas

1218
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: Oil Stadium in Indianapolis. We will not be at this game.

1219
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: Did we want to do something else for this game

1220
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: because it feels like a regal occasion.

1221
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, We're going to Macau. We're going to put on

1222
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 2: tuxedos and watch this game while playing baccarat.

1223
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1224
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: I don't know what we can do a livestream Smell

1225
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 2: tizhair dot com.

1226
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: Smell tizhare dot com. We'll figure out some way to

1227
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:55,959
Speaker 1: make it fun.

1228
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 2: What level of passion, what level of verve? What level

1229
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 2: of tom plattaess do you have for Penn State playing

1230
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 2: Oregon instead of Notre Dame playing Oregon?

1231
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: Is it a.

1232
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 2: Seventy percent as juiced fifty eight ninety one?

1233
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: Oh, it's about eighty seven. I'd say eighty seven percent.

1234
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: I'm ready, I'm ready to bring to bring the funk

1235
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: on you a little bit on Thursday when we start

1236
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: talking through these games.

1237
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 2: I'm ready, what do you identify more as right because

1238
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 2: you don't have Notre Dame friends in the way that

1239
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 2: you have Penn State.

1240
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: No, right, no, no, I don't like.

1241
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 2: You paid tuition at Penn State.

1242
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: I wasn't smart enough to get into Notre Dame. I

1243
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 1: got wait listed, so I rid chip on my shoulder

1244
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: with respect to that.

1245
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 2: Let's be clear, I didn't even think to apply to

1246
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 2: a place like Notre Dame. I knew I wouldn't get in.

1247
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so I didn't get in there. I still

1248
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: kind of hold that against them, and I could have

1249
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 1: entered the transfer portal. I chose to stick it out

1250
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: with Penn State. So I am a nitty lyon. I

1251
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: ow nittie lyon. I'm gonna be ready for this game.

1252
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: I am fired up for this game. I will have

1253
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: some libations on hand for this game. We're gonna have

1254
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: it a true second screen fan experience. Okay, I can't wait.

1255
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 2: Okay, I just I like to gauge because there's more

1256
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 2: like family ties with Notre Dame and more friend and

1257
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 2: social ties with Penstein.

1258
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna go through my rolodex and see

1259
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: what Penn staters I can get on the stream with us.

1260
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: I got somehow Yeah, Anthony Morelli, like what are we

1261
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: talking about? Anthony Morelli is not gonna come on the stream,

1262
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: but I can. I can work something out.

1263
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 2: Okay, oh man, we were the penn staters that you

1264
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 2: think could provide like ample counterpoint juice.

1265
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: I'll let you know. Okay, just kind of put that

1266
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 1: one in the quiver. Okay. Got a few other games

1267
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: on Saturday, though, the MAC Championship, the Battle of Ohio.

1268
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: Literally they finally get to play, finally get to play

1269
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 1: Ohio at nine and three, Miami of Ohio at eight

1270
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 1: and four, Miami Ohio, Your Miami Ohio. They are a

1271
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: two and a half point favorite. And then at seven

1272
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: thirty it's Marshall against Louisiana for the Sun Belt. Louisiana

1273
01:00:58,080 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 1: favorite by four points.

1274
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 2: Bunch of rank weird Charles Huff situation right at Marshall weird.

1275
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: Charles Huff situation, rumors that maybe he might take the Southern.

1276
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 2: Miss job, and that he's hasn't had his contract extended,

1277
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 2: has a contracting contact.

1278
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, there's a lot of weirdness there. Yeah.

1279
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 2: So they've got a bunch of great games. Some of

1280
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 2: them feel unnecessary, but I can't wait to watch them.

1281
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: I'm excited to watch them. Dan, that is what you

1282
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: have in store. Again. If you want to pick those

1283
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: games and some of the props, go to play runthboard

1284
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: dot com. We'll be activating that game shortly. If nothing more,

1285
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: go on out to our patreon at forballers dot com.

1286
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: Sign up for the free tier Sunday morning at eight am.

1287
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 1: You are going to get a email and you can

1288
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 1: vote in our poll that will be in direct conflict

1289
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:54,439
Speaker 1: with the upcoming playoff rankings from the Playoff Committee. I'm

1290
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: just curious to compare the two. The verbolo hood is smart.

1291
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: We've had many people chime in on pretty much every

1292
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 1: social media platform saying the forboller hood should pick. I'm

1293
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: all for it. So let's see. Let's see how the

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Speaker 1: Couldn't agree more. Tie for that guy over there, my

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