1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: My name is Matt. Our colleague Nol is currently on 6 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: an adventure, but we'll be returning soon. They call me Ben. 7 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: We're joined as always with our super producer Paul Mission 8 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: Controlled Decond. Most importantly, you are you, You are here, 9 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: and that makes this the stuff they don't want you 10 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: to know. It is one of our favorite times of 11 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: the week. Fellow conspiracy realists, it is time for us 12 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: to hear from you and share your stories with your 13 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: fellow listeners. Now, we spend a lot of time, Matt 14 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: and I going through various social media platforms, going through 15 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: various other forms of correspondence. We check the voicemails, We 16 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: read every email we get, and our only regret, which 17 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 1: will be a longstanding regret, is that we can't do 18 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: a single episode with everyone all at once, because that 19 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: would be hundreds of thousands of amazing pieces of correspondence. 20 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: And honestly, Matt, I I feel like Mission Control would 21 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: kill us. Yeah, hopefully not. Paul, Please don't do that 22 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: on a traceable way. He's a very clever man, you 23 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like I just accidents happened. Yeah, 24 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: but uh, oh my god, you know where to look 25 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: if something happens to us? Oh boy if yeah? So 26 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: uh so, Matt, because we are exploring today some some 27 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 1: pretty strange stuff. I'm wondering, particularly if you feel there 28 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: are some shades of car stuff in today's UH in 29 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: this week's listener mail segment, because it's uh something you 30 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: found very interesting from uh from people who called one 31 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: eight three three st d w y T k Uh. 32 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: We were talking about this briefly off air, and you said, Okay, 33 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: look man, this guy might be familiar to you, but 34 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: I have I have not heard this voicemail yet. Okay, okay, 35 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: you haven't heard the voicemail. But you're you're going to 36 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: be aware of the topic. I know you are. This 37 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: is a message that we received from someone named Fauzy, 38 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: So why don't we jump right into it her conspiracy 39 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: pros in the Three Awesome Super Producers Conspiracy Fazi reporting 40 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: a topic that I think you all should hopefully cover 41 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:12,239 Speaker 1: in an episode of partial episode The Man that's been 42 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:20,679 Speaker 1: called one man environmental disaster. Thomas Midgeley Jr. The scientists 43 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: who has played a major role developing leaded gasolene and 44 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: some of the first choral floral carbons, better known in 45 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: the United States by brand name free On. Both products 46 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: were later brand banned from a common use due to 47 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: harmful impact on human health any environment. He was granted 48 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: a more than a hundred patents over the course of 49 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: his career, and he's been called as one man environmental disaster. 50 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: That was all taken from the Wikipedia. I find the 51 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: fact that he's created two of the most dangerous environmental 52 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: hazards of our lifetime fascinating. These are problems that the 53 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: world is still recovering from and you know, like ghosts 54 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: are going to haunt us for quite a while. Um, 55 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: thank you and uh you were You have permission to 56 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: use my name, and I want to thank you all. 57 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: I've been a fan of your show for a year 58 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: and a half and I've been listening to you guys 59 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: as I work and it's been helping pass the time. 60 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: And thank you very much. Have a great day. Oh boy, 61 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: conspiracy fausey coming in with something that I didn't know about. 62 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: But Ben, I I heard your reaction. Well, what what's 63 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: your What is your initial reaction to that message from 64 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: Fozzy other than loudly exclaiming, oh yeah, yeah, this is 65 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: this is funny because Matt Fozzy fellow conspiracy realist before 66 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: the end or eternal pause of Car Stuff, this was 67 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: on my list as an ap episode for that show. 68 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: And you know this, Matt Um. We are big, big 69 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: fans of our good friend friend of the show recurring guests, 70 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: Scott Benjamin himself. Scott has always had a deep and 71 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: abiding interest in two things, cars and crime. Those are 72 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:30,799 Speaker 1: like his two things. And I, uh, you know, uh, 73 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: I think you and I both hold Scott and such 74 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: highest team. He's an awesome dude. And I don't say 75 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 1: it lately. I mean that's why illegal street racing is 76 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: the most exciting thing you could ever talk about with 77 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: Scott Benjaman illegal street racing because it's both cars and crime, 78 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: uh and moudying the vehicles. Just that's the whole thing. Yeah, 79 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: mind boggling. And we also did there's a lot of 80 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: true crime in the Car Stuff catalog, which is pretty deep. 81 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: One I always love to recommend is the Saga of 82 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: the Dale car. If you like conspiratorial stuff, I would 83 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: also recommend checking out the story of Tucker and what 84 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: happened to the Tucker Automobile Company. This is one that 85 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: we did not, as far as I can recall, have 86 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: an episode on, but I had done a lot of 87 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 1: digging on it. And the way that I got to 88 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: it met and and Fossey is that I was going 89 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: through this phase. You probably remember a number of years ago, man, 90 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: where I um, I started getting irritated by what I 91 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: saw as unnecessary signs just all all around people's everyday life, 92 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: like drug free school zone implies that there is somewhere 93 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: at some school a zone that is for drugs, or 94 00:06:54,200 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: you know, in particular, the idea of unleaded gasoline. Gasoline 95 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: the vast majority will not have lead. There are some 96 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: old engines that need lead additives, right, but in this country, 97 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: pretty much any gas pump you go to is going 98 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: to say unleaded gasoline. And at this point they might 99 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: as well say something like there is no kryptonite in 100 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: this gasoline, just just to be clear, in case you 101 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: were wondering, Uh, well, let's yes, let's get into that. 102 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: Let's let's jump fully into this Okay, so we're talking 103 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: about a scientist, a very intelligent engineer, an inventor. We're 104 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: talking about Thomas midge Lee. That is m. I. D. G. L. 105 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: E Y Jr. It's very important because there is a 106 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: senior who was also an inventor, I believe in an engineer. 107 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: But this is the junior. And this person is born 108 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: in the eight hundreds of things eighteen eighty nine and 109 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: went to Cornell University and got a degree in engineering 110 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: and started working for some of the big names in 111 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: automobiles in the early nineteen hundreds. And there was a 112 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: problem with vehicles around that time. And Ben, I know, 113 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: I know, you got someone this the problem with these 114 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: vehicles because of these internal combustion engines that they had, 115 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: where they're all these little explosions occurring moving the pistons 116 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: up and down. Vehicles often had this and knocking that 117 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: would occur. The engine itself would kind of knock around. Um, 118 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 1: it was clunky. It's like an old clunker, you might say. 119 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: And everybody had to deal with it. And and the 120 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: automobile industry was looking for a solution. And old Tommy 121 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: Midgley Jr. Came along and said, well, I'm gonna try 122 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: a bunch of things, including putting iodine into the fuel mixture, 123 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: putting other chemicals, like basically going down the periodic table, 124 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: like what if we had this one or did that one? 125 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: And uh, he found a solution and it was lead. 126 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: That is why there is now unleaded on What did 127 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: she say, n adamantean casoline right, non kryptoonite, no adamantium. 128 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: That is big oils promised to you. Yeah, you nailed it, Matt, 129 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: you nailed it. Engine knocking was a a crazy and 130 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: a real thing at this point. I think in time, 131 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: uh Midgeley Jr. Started working for GM around early called nineteen. 132 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: I think uh he he was trying to figure out 133 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: what the solution was. He knew the problem was due 134 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: to the way that gasoline burns right and the cylinders 135 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: of your garden variety internal combustion engine. But he wasn't 136 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: he wasn't sure how to like punch it up to 137 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: get get it to be a little bit less KNOCKI 138 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: to be a bit less of a clunker, as he said, 139 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: And as you pointed out, as Fazzy points out, this 140 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: guy found what he thought was a solution which was 141 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: leaded gasoline, and GM was going in the gas game 142 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: at that time with a proprietary additive. It wasn't just 143 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: straight up lead, right, it was something called ethel lead compound. Well, yeah, 144 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: because they could they could patent that, right, they could 145 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: trade work that. Then they can sell it because you 146 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: know lead itself, it's not just lead from GM. You know, 147 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: it's not something you could sell and make a huge 148 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: profit on. But if you patent it, you put it 149 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: into a thing that goes into your gas tank. Now 150 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 1: there's some money for you. And you know GM is 151 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: all corporations profit driven, So they figured out how to 152 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: do that. Uh. Well, and I guess we can. I mean, 153 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: just for the case of this conversation, we can just 154 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: say what happened to the lead. We took it out, 155 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: we put some we humans and smart engineers like Mitchelly 156 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: put other things in there. Uh. It is now ethanol, correct. 157 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: So you'll see at the gas pump, largely, at least 158 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: within the United States. I know for sure, a certain 159 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: percentage of ethanol will be in that gasoline you're adding 160 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 1: to your vehicle, and it's serving the same purpose. Yeah. 161 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 1: You you might have seen it called flex fueled before. Uh, 162 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: the story of ethanol itself is the story of a 163 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 1: another I guess we could call it a conspiracy, the 164 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: story of big corn. Right. Uh and ak the reason 165 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: corn syrup is in so many things that Americans consume. Uh, 166 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: you know, you got so much corn. You gotta find 167 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: a way to do something with right, the profits must 168 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: Expand we're going to pause for a word from our sponsors. 169 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 1: Will be right back, and we're back. The thing about 170 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: Midgley for our purposes here is this. Uh. It's not 171 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: as if he were just a brilliant mind unaware of 172 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: the consequences. Uh. This guy was operating in a world 173 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: where the dangers of lead exposure were already very well known. 174 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: You might not have maybe thought of it if you 175 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: were someone just popping around your model T or whatever. 176 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: But if you were a chemist, it is I'll say it. 177 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: It's not even virtually certain. It's absolutely certain you would 178 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: know this stuff was poisoness. And not from my understanding, 179 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: Midgeley Jr. Kind Of had a rep for working with 180 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: known poisonous substances. Oh yeah, Oh, he certainly had. He 181 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: had a penchant for it, and he himself got lead 182 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: poisoning due to his work with lead. Uh. This it's true. 183 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: He knew that seven people died from lead poisoning when 184 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: they were creating the substances, you know, while his work 185 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: on on fuel additives. It was it was a known thing. 186 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: He took a I think it's described one of these 187 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 1: articles I think from famous scientists dot Org. Uh. There 188 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 1: are several amazing articles if you look up Midgeley. He 189 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: talks about how he took a quote long vacation while 190 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: suffering from the effects of lead poisoning. But lead isn't 191 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: the only thing, as was stated by Fozzy, that Midgeley 192 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: had a hand in when he comes to you know, 193 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: lead in our environment. There's this other thing CFCs, also 194 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: known as floro floral carbons. Uh. He also invented a 195 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: little thing that we call free on again automobile related 196 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: in this case, helps your vehicles interior and other parts 197 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: stay cold, which is a much appreciated thing in the summers, 198 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: especially here in Atlanta. Uh, that having a cool car. 199 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: I mean not necessarily the CFCs, but theoretically an amazing 200 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: invention that helped everyone until it was in the environment 201 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: for long enough that we realized, oh, this is bad, right, Yeah, 202 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: and this has also led to not word play here, 203 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: it has led to the death of many dogs. Right, 204 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: it's led to the death of children. Uh, it's led 205 00:14:54,880 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: to a lot of I would say, unintended long term consequences. Nicely. 206 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: By the way, well, do you remember that thing called 207 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: the ozone layer, Remember that thing we used to hear 208 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: about as kids. Yeah, back in the day, back in 209 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: the day, we should we should check on the ozo layer, 210 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: don't you think. Let's just see how how it's doing. 211 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: It's kind of like looking up somebody on Facebook at 212 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: this point. Ozone depletion. It's a real thing. Uh. The 213 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: let's talk about the plural fluoral carbons though, I think 214 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: that's where we're going with this, right, Yeah, it is 215 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: been proven in the decades since CFCs were a thing 216 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: and Frean was invented that they were. They were used 217 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: so much by humans, much like lead gasoline. It was 218 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: just the new thing. These are the new things that work. 219 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: We're going to use them. So everybody picked it up. Well, 220 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: CFCs tend to do this little thing like creating massive 221 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: holes in the ozone layer, which is one of our 222 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: best ways to protect ourselves, you know, all life on 223 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: planet Earth from radiation. From the sun. It's no, boy, no, 224 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: And this this is a thing that tends to occur, 225 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: and we keep seeing history repeat itself where a brand new, 226 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: large usually chemical invention, or you know, something that is patentable, patentable, 227 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: something that can go out there in a free market 228 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: and it ends up just causing major detrimental effects on 229 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: the environment largely, which then affects humans. Agreed, man, And 230 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,359 Speaker 1: the the issue goes back to what's called the tragedy 231 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: of the commons. If you can make short term micro 232 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: economic gains for something, then why should you be on 233 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: the hook for the macro level problems posed by this? Right? 234 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: That's it's it's a conversation that goes back to the 235 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: industrial era and the shadow or the specter of the 236 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: consequences of large scale fossil fuel use. Uh. We know 237 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: that these problems are fixable, but they require a kind 238 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: of coordination that the human species simply has no precedent 239 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: for being capable of. I want to point out, Matt, 240 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: there's this fascinating article by Susan Fortain on interesting engineering 241 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: Thomas Medley Jr. The man who harmed the world the most, Right. 242 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: I think that goes to what you were talking about here. Uh. 243 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: In this article, there's a quote from Thomas Midgeley when 244 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 1: he is talking to a fellow named Charles Kettering in 245 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: nine three. This is after he's recovering from lead poisoning. 246 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: And you you heard about this part right, Like he uh, 247 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 1: he wanted to demonstrate that gas with lead in it 248 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: was safe by huffing it. This is a true story. 249 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: Huffed it for sixty seconds and he's so he's laid 250 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: up recovery and he says on this phone call, quote, 251 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: can you imagine how much money are I going to 252 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: make with this? Am I going to make two d 253 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: million dollars? Maybe even more? I am kind of free 254 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: taking some artistic license with the accent of course. No. 255 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: I yeah, I saw that, and I was like, there's 256 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: no way he said that, because it just seems so 257 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: evil scientists kind of thing. But it's not evil scientists. 258 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 1: It's it's a very straightforward capitalist. Uh. So he that's 259 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: not the only experiment he did with one of his 260 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: own inventions. By the way, he also after inventing free 261 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: on at this convention in nineteen thirty I think it 262 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: was two years after he invented the stuff. He uh, 263 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: inhaled a whole bunch of free on, and there's a 264 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: lit candle, and he blew out all the free on 265 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 1: to blow out the candle, just to show everybody that 266 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: he's fine. After inhaling the free on and the candle 267 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: went out, it did not burst into flames, so the 268 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: substance is not flammable. So we're all good. Um, and 269 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 1: and I guess we thought we were right. These CFC 270 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: is a little different because it seems like it wasn't 271 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 1: as much of a known thing at the time. But 272 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong in saying that anybody listening 273 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: who knows more about this, because this is just us 274 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 1: dipping our toes into this gentleman and his inventions. He 275 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 1: really was a pioneer. You know. It's cf seemed fine 276 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 1: at the time, right, So I can't, I can't, but 277 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: but you're absolutely you know. Interesting thing about this guy, 278 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: Uh he did die as a result of his inventions, 279 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: but maybe not, maybe not the way some people are thinking. 280 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: Later in his life, just before he passed, he was 281 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: suffering from polio and he could not move very well. 282 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: So he invented this series of pulleys and things that 283 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: are attached to his body that he could move and 284 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 1: I guess you would say ambulate himself. And apparently he 285 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: was discovered strangled via the mechanism itself, like stuff got 286 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: wrapped around his neck in a bad way and he passed, 287 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: and experts were certain this was an accidental death, but 288 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: I think they were I think it's an interesting note. 289 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 1: It's also for as you all knew, Matt and I 290 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: are pretty big fans of the bibliographies on Wikipedia and 291 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: also the obscure weird articles. So Fozzy, as you were mentioning, 292 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: you cited with Cokipedia article on Midgley Jr. I hope 293 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: that you if you haven't checked it out, check out 294 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: another wiki link that is, I believe in the In 295 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: the bio on Midgley, it's quote list of inventors killed 296 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 1: by their own inventions, and uh, it's yeah, it's a 297 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 1: real thing, and it's it's a yeah, it's exactly as 298 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 1: sad and poetic as as you might you might assume 299 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: from initially hearing that. But so, Matt, what did this 300 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: like when you heard about this? When you know, it's 301 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: very difficult to trace the origin of many inventions, many innovations, right, 302 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: because people are often standing on the shoulder of giants. 303 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: There's a lot of parallel thinking. Uh, there are a 304 00:21:55,800 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: lot of incremental improvements made to something. It's pretty rare, 305 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: honestly to find a single person who did a single thing. 306 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: And yes, nidge lynde Lye made free once. So how 307 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: what stands out to you about this story? Do you 308 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: think there's anything we can apply to the present day? 309 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: Like why did this called you? Oh? It really calls 310 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: to me just thinking about how especially in lead additives 311 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: to gasoline, how much the scientific community that is working 312 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: that section of the scientific community that is working for 313 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: a private corporation, Because you know, he's not the only 314 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: scientists an engineer who's working for GM. He's a part 315 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: of a large group who are doing that. How all 316 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: of those people will decide. You know, I'm employed, I 317 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: have my own personal life and and everything. I see 318 00:22:55,640 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: a solution here, a possible solution. I understand as a scientists, 319 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: and you know, having an understanding of chemistry and how 320 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: certain substances interact with the body and the environment, that 321 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 1: this is going to be damaging to both humans and 322 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: other animals and the environment, but it's going to help 323 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 1: me in my career it's going to help the company 324 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: find success and profits. So I'm going to choose to 325 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: do this. Um, I think that choice is happening all 326 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: the time across the world right now. Maybe even somebody 327 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: who's listening to this is grappling with a problem where 328 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: there's a potential solution that you know, ticks all the boxes, 329 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: including the one where it's harmful to humans and the environment. 330 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: And I'm just hoping somebody listening to this will contemplate 331 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: a little bit further before they, you know, announce their findings. Uh, 332 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: because rest assured, what what, No matter what you think 333 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: as the individual or the team that's discovered something like that, 334 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: the corporation will probably just because it has its own 335 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: wants and need, will want to move forward with that thing, 336 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: no matter how dangerous. Absolutely, I think that is a 337 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: salient point. And I agree with everything that you mentioned. 338 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 1: And if you are a fellow conspiracy realist listening to 339 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: this now, and uh, your corporate overlords have told you 340 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: that the percentage of I don't know, like puffins or 341 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 1: marine animals that might be lost is acceptable for Q two, 342 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: I don't know if you should listen to them. The 343 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 1: puffin loss is acceptable sir, we'll we'll revisit in autumn. Yeah, 344 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: all right, Well, thank you so much, Fossy for for 345 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: sending that message to us, and hopefully we can work 346 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: this in later. I kind of want to do a 347 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 1: whole episode on those inventors that killed themselves with their inventions. 348 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 1: That's pretty interesting. All right, We'll be right back afterwards 349 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: from our sponsor. And we have returned with UH with 350 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: a response to our earlier conversation about the looming overturn 351 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: of Roe versus Wade, which, for any non US listeners, 352 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: if you're not aware, roe versus Wade is the Supreme 353 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 1: Court ruling that allows allows people who can give birth 354 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 1: autonomy over their own bodies in that regard, that's probably 355 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: the best way to put it. And we were I think, 356 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 1: um Matt, I think both of us were immensely grateful 357 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: for all the insightful comments we received, all the correspondence. 358 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: A lot of our fellow listeners wrote in from the 359 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: field of medicine. We had philosophers writing in, professors, we 360 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: had people writing in with their own experiences, and in 361 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: some cases, UH many of these people had requested UH anonymity, right, 362 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: which we do our best to provide and from those 363 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: we arrived at a conversation with our fellow conspiracy realist, Will, 364 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: Will has given us permission to use their name, and 365 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: he sent us the following email. We'd like to share 366 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: it with you and then and then discuss a little 367 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: bit more about the un maybe just like lead poisoning, 368 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: the long term consequences of of legislation. Will says, Greetings, 369 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 1: I recently listened to your strange news segment about the 370 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 1: lead Supreme Court decision on overturning Roe v. Wade and 371 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: about the potential appeal of oberg Fell versus Hodges, which 372 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: would overturned gay marriage. Will says, as a gay man 373 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: that has been married for the last seven years and 374 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: together for a total of twenty two years, this makes 375 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: me feel very scared and very alone, since I have 376 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 1: no one in the court that truly represents my voice, 377 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: since this Supreme Court case kind of went under the radar, 378 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: at least for me. It's a very sneaky way to 379 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: attack human rights. It is almost and Will says q 380 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: conspiracy noise slash music here if January six was a 381 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 1: red herring, Yeah, there we go, and this was the 382 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: true coup or could it be since they couldn't take 383 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: away one right on that day I e. Election that 384 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 1: the far right is slowly stripping away the rights of 385 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 1: those who have been traditionally seen as opposing them for 386 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: whatever reason. But besides the conspiracy theory, another aspect that 387 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 1: is troubling are these things called trigger laws from various states. 388 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: Thirteen states have laws that will automatically ban abortion upon 389 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: the official ruling of the Supreme Court. Now not this 390 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: is as a little bit of a longer letter, I 391 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: suggest that we double dragon this. You want to hop 392 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 1: on the latter half jumping in here. A few states 393 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: already have these laws in place that would overturn gay 394 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: marriage as well, Mississippi being one and Texas laying the 395 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: groundwork as well. Like I said, I'm afraid of the 396 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 1: future for myself and my partner. But what is scarier 397 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: is these trigger laws, which have a double meaning, one 398 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: action causing another action, but also because they can literally 399 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 1: kill human rights and even humans. I had never heard 400 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: of them until recently, and I would love a deeper 401 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 1: dive into them. Are they legal? I e? How can 402 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 1: you pass an anti law law and have of it 403 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: in writing. That's a good question of What are some 404 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: landmark laws that we did not know were trigger laws? 405 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: What can the average shmoke like me do to help 406 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: get them overturned or invalidated? These are good questions, will, 407 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: and clearly you know to be transparent, Clearly, UH, will 408 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,479 Speaker 1: you do not subscribe to the political ideology of what 409 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: would be called the right in in the US. UH. 410 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,959 Speaker 1: And the thing about this is that you don't have 411 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: to subscribe to any consistent or defined political ideology to 412 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: understand that trigger laws are an issue, and they will 413 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: be an issue for quite some time. A trigger law 414 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: is kind of um, you know, like if you're ever 415 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: on a road trip you called dibbs right on a seat. 416 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: You know, it's like shotgun trier laws, kind of calling 417 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: dibbs on something You're you're preparing for a another event 418 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: to take place at which point, kind of like Russia's 419 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: dead hand system, you'll have an automated process, or as 420 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: automated as possible to ensure that what you want to 421 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: pass comes to pass. In the US right now, specifically 422 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: with the case of Roe v. Wade, there are thirteen 423 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: states that have the so called trigger laws, specifically pertaining 424 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: to abortion and pertaining to UH making abortion illegal to 425 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: banning it. And the idea is that as soon as 426 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: the ring graces of the Supreme Court say ha ha 427 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: j k abortions illegal after all, then those thirteen states 428 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: will be able to immediately say uh L M A 429 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: O L O L for real though it's illegal and 430 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: like the because importantly, not to get too into the 431 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: legalistic wheats, but importantly, the way that the draft opinion 432 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: is written, if it, if it does come to pass, 433 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:07,959 Speaker 1: makes the matter of people's bodily autonomy a state's rights issue, 434 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: So it would be up to the fifty states to 435 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: go their own way. Hashtag no Fleetwood Mac And the idea, 436 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: I know, I know, but the uh, you know what, 437 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry to everyone. But the idea here 438 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: is older than I think a lot of people may assume, 439 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: because there used to be fourteen states, and there would 440 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: have been fourteen states would trigger laws specifically about this issue, 441 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: one of them being Illinois. Their law in this regard 442 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: was enacted in n and then fast forward several decades 443 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: it was repealed in twenty seventeen. So trigger laws themselves 444 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: are a thing that can exist in any number of 445 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: sir circumstances. It would not be surprising, for example, to 446 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: see this tactic used in something like marijuana legalization or 447 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: excuse me, cannabis legalization. Then you could just say, Okay, 448 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: if the federal law, like we won't pass our own 449 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: legalization policy says, in what's a random state, Arkansas? Okay, 450 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: Arkansas perfect, perfect, You are correct, sir, that is the 451 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: correct random state we were looking for. So Arkansas maybe 452 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't want to straight up say hey, we're going 453 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: to make marijuana legal within the state limits of Arkansas, 454 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: but we're gonna have it locked and loaded to be 455 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: legal as soon as the federal government says it's up 456 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: to you all do as thou wilt. Uh. So, what 457 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: I'm saying is trigger laws are an anticipatory thing. They're 458 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: not inherently minister but in this case, in this case, 459 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: they are definitely attempting to remove autonomy from people who 460 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: can give birth, and in states like Arkansas just happen 461 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: to have something open about the Arkansas trigger law that's 462 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: in on the books right now. Actually, um, it is 463 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: the situations where many of these trigger laws ban abortion 464 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: or are prepared to ban abortion completely, no matter the 465 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: circumstances whatsoever. Those are specifically the ones that worry me 466 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: the most because it removes all nuance from the possible 467 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: situations that humans find themselves in. Uh. Sorry that I 468 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: don't want to sew boxes. Just that feels so dangerous 469 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: to me. Where it is a yes, it is a 470 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: yes or no situation, it is illegal, no matter what. Right. Yeah, 471 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: well said, it is a odd brush right, And that 472 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: is a diplomatic way of putting it. And and and 473 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 1: to be clear, you know, will everybody listening, A trigger 474 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:16,839 Speaker 1: law is it's slang. It's like the street name for 475 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,879 Speaker 1: this kind of tactic. You're you're you're making a law 476 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 1: that is currently unenforceable but can be enforceable if just 477 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: a few things change. Again, it doesn't have to be sinister. 478 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: You could lock and load any number of unenforceable laws 479 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: and then just wait. And there's no statute of limitations 480 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: unless that's baked in the original language. This is of 481 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:50,479 Speaker 1: course a hot button issue for many many people. Uh. 482 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,240 Speaker 1: And again we can emphasize this enough. They are used 483 00:34:54,280 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: for specific political ends. But the tactic, the strategy hind 484 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: it is a political It is something that can work. 485 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 1: And that's that's the reason these things will be deployed. 486 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: Now will this sort of stuff happen? Uh? To to 487 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 1: answer that question, you need a little bit of a 488 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: magic eight ball or crystal ball or whatever your methods 489 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 1: of scrying. Maybe, But we can say that, we can 490 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: say that the Supreme Court and the process of making 491 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: laws is itself not as set in stone as it 492 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: may appear, nor as it may be reported. For example, 493 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: for a non uh, non abortion or non bodily autonomy 494 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: kind of legislation, legislative move you can look to Tennessee. 495 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 1: Tennessee has recently made camping on public land a felony. 496 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: And Matt, you and I talked about this a little 497 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: bit off air, I think a while back earlier was 498 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: he yesterday might have been yesterday, Man, I think it 499 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 1: was yesterday. I don't know. Well, yeah, the topic was, 500 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: you know, what what constitutes public land in perhaps a 501 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: city space or in a more populated town like area. 502 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: What what constitutes public space and what constitutes camping? What 503 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: could they be trying to control? Right? Right? People who 504 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,720 Speaker 1: for one reason or another, one cavalcade of circumstance or another, 505 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 1: do not have a permanent address or living space. You'll 506 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: hear them called the homeless. You will hear them called 507 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:57,399 Speaker 1: the unhoused things of that nature. The conspiratorial bent here 508 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:02,800 Speaker 1: is that Tennessee has the Tennessee legislature, i should say, 509 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: has made this a felony because it will remove in 510 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 1: that state the right of those people to vote. That 511 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: might seem a little bit like a game amouse trap, 512 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,279 Speaker 1: might seem a little bit Rube goldberg esque, but more 513 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 1: importantly for our purposes, you need to know that this 514 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 1: would be unconstitutional according to established earlier established case law 515 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:38,360 Speaker 1: by the Supreme Court. Specifically, back in the Scotus. Supreme 516 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: Court of the US backed up a lower court ruling 517 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,919 Speaker 1: in California that said, hey, if you're homeless, you can 518 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 1: sleep on sidewalks, public trails, public parks if there's not 519 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:57,319 Speaker 1: other available alternative forms of shelter. And this comes from 520 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: the ninth US Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco. 521 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: It's known as the Martin v. Boise decision. And the 522 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:11,879 Speaker 1: idea here is that Tennessee legislature, knowing there have been 523 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:16,359 Speaker 1: some changes to the composition of the Supreme Court, can 524 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: now make this law, which gives the Scotus the ability 525 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:25,799 Speaker 1: to review this law and to say m I don't 526 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 1: think so, essentially, which it's a clever move. Um, will 527 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:38,319 Speaker 1: it work just like objectively ideology aside any regardless of 528 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 1: our feelings on felony convictions or public camping or socioeconomic strata. Matt, 529 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: do you think it will work? No, because it'll all 530 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 1: just become private camping. They'll just be camping on private 531 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,960 Speaker 1: property and then they'll have to deal with it, all 532 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: you private property owners. Ha ha. No, I don't know. 533 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 1: It doesn't feel it's an odd situation to me. Mm hmmm. Um. 534 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: I am a skeptical that it will function in the 535 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: way they wanted to. Yeah. Yeah, the Unfortunately, that Fantasia 536 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 1: example of Mickey Mouse as the Sorcerer's Apprentice tells us 537 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 1: all we need to know about unintended consequences. Again, importantly, 538 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: there are trigger laws for other things. There are other 539 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 1: ways to push for a new decision in the highest 540 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 1: court in the land. Uh. I don't know how many 541 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: people remember this, but back in the day when the 542 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:46,799 Speaker 1: Affordable Care Act sometimes called Obamacare was passed, lawmakers in 543 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:52,720 Speaker 1: certain states also made trigger laws in anticipation slash hope 544 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,400 Speaker 1: that Scotus would knock down that plan. Uh. There was 545 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 1: even I heard heard tell as they would say in 546 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 1: to see that there was a trigger law about a 547 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: national speed limit in the early nineteen nineties. Uh, and 548 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 1: it said that it was in Texas, and it said 549 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:20,400 Speaker 1: that once there was a repeal of a national once. 550 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,359 Speaker 1: Yes it was this boy. Yeah, once there was this 551 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 1: law that said there needs to be a national mandatory 552 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 1: speed limit in Texas said you know, as soon as 553 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 1: that gets repealed, we will automate overnight the lifting of 554 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 1: speed limits and we will literally send out the Transportation 555 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 1: department to go and change all those signs across Texas, 556 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 1: which is a huge place, you know what I mean. 557 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:56,759 Speaker 1: So yeah, so trigger laws are a real thing. Could 558 00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:01,879 Speaker 1: you call them conspiratorial? Yeah, I would argue you could. Uh. 559 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,280 Speaker 1: How I think maybe one of the most important questions 560 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,279 Speaker 1: Will is asking here, uh Matt, is how do you 561 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 1: make your voice known if you are in opposition to 562 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 1: to some sort of trigger law. Uh. The best way, 563 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:26,279 Speaker 1: of course, is not necessarily convenient. It is to directly 564 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:33,200 Speaker 1: message your representatives at state and federal levels and to 565 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 1: maybe spread the word engage in activism things of that nature. Uh. 566 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 1: You could, if you wish, you can write a letter 567 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,880 Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court. I doubt they will read it. 568 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,919 Speaker 1: I'm just being honest. No, I agree with you, Ben. 569 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,360 Speaker 1: I think the best action is what you what you said, 570 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,799 Speaker 1: interact with your state legislature. You can do that if 571 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: you think about the Capital Building and Congress and the 572 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 1: House of Representatives and the Senate all that that's kind 573 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 1: of a big pond, right, But your state legislature you're 574 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:13,239 Speaker 1: gonna find. I have a feeling that it's way easier 575 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,720 Speaker 1: to get into contact with somebody if you want to. Yeah, 576 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 1: that part is true. You may receive a form letter 577 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,879 Speaker 1: response or something like that. But if you continue, if 578 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 1: you continue making your voice heard, that is, in theory, 579 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,920 Speaker 1: how the system is supposed to work. And I know 580 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,800 Speaker 1: the idea. I think we both know the idea. Maybe 581 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 1: the idea of trigger laws may itself sound triggering to 582 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:43,239 Speaker 1: some people, right, and uh, the argument maybe for some 583 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:48,400 Speaker 1: supporters of these laws. Simply put, they may just say, hey, ours, 584 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 1: my representatives already know my opinion, my stance on this, 585 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,880 Speaker 1: and so all they're doing is representing me in this regard. 586 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,920 Speaker 1: But again, I would I would warn against the dangers 587 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:10,000 Speaker 1: of a broad brush laws should not be passed automatically. 588 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,920 Speaker 1: That is a very lazy thing to do, even if 589 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,400 Speaker 1: it seems proactive, because, as you pointed out beautifully, Matt, 590 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:23,360 Speaker 1: there needs to be deep analysis. Words have power, language 591 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,480 Speaker 1: has power, right, and they have real world consequences. Will 592 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,000 Speaker 1: you are not far off and saying that, uh, certain 593 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:34,880 Speaker 1: laws can endanger human rights for sure, and down the 594 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 1: line they can endanger human lives very much so. And 595 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,920 Speaker 1: I would love to hear examples from our fellow conspiracy 596 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:49,080 Speaker 1: realists of your experience with maybe laws that are written 597 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:53,399 Speaker 1: to broadly, laws that are are called trigger laws, because 598 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:58,760 Speaker 1: again it's the conversation in media now is entirely orbiting 599 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:03,239 Speaker 1: the concept of trigger laws in response to abortion. But 600 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,080 Speaker 1: trigger laws go deeper than that. We would love to 601 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:10,240 Speaker 1: hear your thoughts, Oh we would, and reiterating one last time, 602 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,440 Speaker 1: your legislators want to hear your thoughts too, because they 603 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,480 Speaker 1: exist on votes and mostly campaign money, but votes to 604 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,840 Speaker 1: votes as well. Uh. There's a quote from a Guardian 605 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,719 Speaker 1: article where Governor I think, is it assa Asa Hutchinson? 606 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,440 Speaker 1: I don't, it's a s A. I don't know how 607 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 1: to say it. Assa Hutchinson, governor of Arkansas, is quoted 608 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:39,680 Speaker 1: in this article from the Guardian, and he states, Uh, 609 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:44,640 Speaker 1: he's reacting to some circumstances where rape and incest, maybe 610 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,160 Speaker 1: a thing that occurs and causes a young girl to 611 00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,920 Speaker 1: be forced to give birth, and he says, these are 612 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:54,040 Speaker 1: heartbreaking circumstances. When we when we passed these trigger laws, 613 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:58,040 Speaker 1: we were trying to reduce abortions. But whenever you see that, 614 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,760 Speaker 1: you know, real life circumstance answers like that, the debate 615 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,839 Speaker 1: is going to continue. And here it is the will 616 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,719 Speaker 1: of the people may or may not change. That's the 617 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,200 Speaker 1: important part. The will of the people may or may 618 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,440 Speaker 1: not change. So if you can just show that the 619 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,799 Speaker 1: will of the people is different, then those legislatures will 620 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,799 Speaker 1: hopefully fall in line if they know what's good for 621 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:26,920 Speaker 1: their votes. And if you can also engage in lobbying. 622 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:31,720 Speaker 1: While while you do that, uh, your mileager bay vary, 623 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,280 Speaker 1: but you will. You may be surprised how many doors 624 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:39,560 Speaker 1: open once the hinges are greased with some cash. So, uh, 625 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,719 Speaker 1: we hope that you can tell that Matt. 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