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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff Mom Never Told You from House top

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Kristen and I'm Caroline, and to celebrate Women's History Month

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Speaker 1: and also explore questions that we hear directly from sminty

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Speaker 1: listeners about how to become female trailblazers, about gender equality instigators,

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Speaker 1: and those fearless rabble rousers, we're presenting this month long

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Speaker 1: mini series we're calling change Makers. And this whole thing

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Speaker 1: was inspired by our trip to a women's empowerment conference

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Speaker 1: hosted by Makers, which is a joint effort from PBS

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Speaker 1: and a o L which regular stuff Mom Never Told

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Speaker 1: You listeners have probably heard us a reference before, but

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Speaker 1: in case you aren't familiar with it, Gloria Steinem is

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Speaker 1: basically It's godmother, and Makers is the largest video collection

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Speaker 1: of women's stories, and at its conference, Caroline and I

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Speaker 1: had the opportunity to chat with a few of them

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Speaker 1: who were personally driven to change their environments and ultimately

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Speaker 1: change the world. But we realize how changemaking can seem intimidating.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how do you start what if you aren't

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Speaker 1: a celebrity or a corporate superstar? What are the transformative

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Speaker 1: tools that we all have, regardless of where we are

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Speaker 1: in life, even if your podcasters let us. So, Fortunately,

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Speaker 1: we have so many female role models like these change

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Speaker 1: Makers that were going to be spotlighting all month, whose

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Speaker 1: stories and insights demonstrate not only what incredible societal impacts

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Speaker 1: women can create, but also how each of us, you

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Speaker 1: and me, Caroline, I'm talking to you, talking to me,

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Speaker 1: all of us can find our voices and our authentic

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Speaker 1: paths towards success for today and for a hopefully more

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Speaker 1: egalitarian future. So the feme of this first change Makers

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Speaker 1: and Almond is dignifying your work. And we're talking about

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Speaker 1: this with a woman named I Gen Poo, who a

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Speaker 1: is one of the most incredible women I've ever met,

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Speaker 1: and the way she puts it in terms of what

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Speaker 1: she does is trying to build a movement of caregivers

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Speaker 1: to make sure that we can all live well. And Caroline,

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Speaker 1: can you share with our listeners just all of the

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Speaker 1: incredible accolades that I gen Poo has garnered in the

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Speaker 1: process of doing this, of building this movement. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 1: who is the director of the National Domestic Workers Alliance

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Speaker 1: She serves on the boards of directors of several organizations,

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Speaker 1: Not to mention, she's a World Economic Forum Young Global Leader,

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Speaker 1: want of Fortune's World's Fifty Greatest Leaders, and the author

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Speaker 1: of the book The Age of Dignity, Preparing for the

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Speaker 1: Elder Boom and a Changing America. And this MacArthur Fellow

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Speaker 1: began organizing immigrant women workers nearly two decades ago, and

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Speaker 1: it was almost two decades ago, in the year two thousand,

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Speaker 1: New York organization that spearheaded the successful passage of the

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Speaker 1: state's historic Domestic Workers Bill of Rights, in which we'll

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Speaker 1: a moment. And one of the reasons why we were

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Speaker 1: so excited to talk to eigen Poo is because the

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Speaker 1: work she does focuses on what's often un invisible labor force.

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Speaker 1: Even though there are so many people doing all of

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Speaker 1: we hear about trailblazers and McArthur geniuses to think, well,

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Speaker 1: I could never do that, I could never really affect

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Speaker 1: the opposite. I mean, she really thinks that we are

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Speaker 1: obviously her focus is really on caregiving. And first we

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Speaker 1: wanted to know why that's so important, why it's worth

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Speaker 1: really about valuing care and caregiving. I mean, we're at

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Speaker 1: for working people to manage their jobs, manage everything in life,

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Speaker 1: Particularly so if we look at the caregiving population in America,

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Speaker 1: and this constitutes an unpaid workforce worth around four hundred

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Speaker 1: referred to as the Sandwich generation. And the individuals who

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Speaker 1: generational patterns that we're seeing. So we have this aging

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Speaker 1: the millennials, I mean, we are not only delaying marriage,

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Speaker 1: and historic, really outcomes of that community organizing that I

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Speaker 1: Bill of Rights in New York. And this was organized

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Speaker 1: So this kind of legislation is so sorely needed. And

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Speaker 1: And on that note, we wanted to know who the

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Speaker 1: There's so many. I feel like I have a whole

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