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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants.

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Speaker 2: US Giants on the Giants give me some Job, part

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Speaker 2: of the Giants Podcast Network.

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Speaker 1: Let's welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 1: I am John Schmelk. Big show coming your way today.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk to Giants captain and Mike linebacker Bobby o'carak.

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Speaker 1: We're going to have Brian Dable and Bob Papa, and

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Speaker 1: of course Dave Spidaro, who covers the Eagles for that

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Speaker 1: team's official site. Front of the program, getting you ready

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Speaker 1: for the Giants and Eagles. But we're gonna lead off

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Speaker 1: with my interview with Bobby Okaraka. And now we're joined

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Speaker 1: by Bobby Ocarak. Bobby, how are you man?

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Speaker 3: Good brother? How you doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing good. Here's the I'm gonna ask you a

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Speaker 1: random question every time. You're always one of the last

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Speaker 1: guys off the field, last guys in the locker room.

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Speaker 1: A lot of guys, you know, some people take the

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Speaker 1: locker room time to relax and chill. You're always on

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Speaker 1: the iPad. When you're on the iPad after practice, what

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Speaker 1: are you looking at?

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Speaker 3: I'm watching practice. I'm watching practice. I'm seeing how I'm moving,

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Speaker 3: I'm seeing how well I'm reading what the offense has

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Speaker 3: given me, see how well I'm playing the scheme. Just

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Speaker 3: working on that one percent, getting better.

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Speaker 1: So you're watching that day's practice, they could turn around

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they turned around. I mean five minutes when the

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Speaker 3: locker room it's up. So I'm usually there just doing

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Speaker 1: Is it mostly the team stuff? Were you're watching? Even

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Speaker 1: your stuff in the individuals before you do teams?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, watch individuals. We got one on one with the

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Speaker 3: running backs. Watch those routes. Really just from a fundamentals technique,

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Speaker 3: standpoint footwork, just making sure I'm getting better.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure if that's what you guys do every

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Speaker 1: Monday after the games. Right when you sat down watch

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Speaker 1: the tape after the Bengals game, what did you say?

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Speaker 3: I saw an explosive pass rush obviously got to be

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Speaker 3: a little bit more detailed, and the coordinated rush. You know,

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Speaker 3: Burrow had a couple scrambles there that hurt us bad.

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Speaker 3: But saw a defense that's resilient, a defense that's forcing turnovers,

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Speaker 1: What particularly do you think your defense has improved upon

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Speaker 1: as I think overalls are unit has shown improvement every

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Speaker 3: Yeah, first and foremost starts with stopping the run. I

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Speaker 3: Can still have room for improvement, but it starts up front.

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Speaker 3: The big guys up front are creating a lot of

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Speaker 3: out quick, making him get out of the pocket, getting sacks,

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Speaker 3: So that rush is helping everybody.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned the sacks. You can have a good pass

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Speaker 1: Why has your group been able to translate the pressure

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Speaker 3: We got technicians up front, you know, guys who are

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Speaker 3: really honed in on their craft. Obviously, Decks is a

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Speaker 3: beast among men. Brian Burns elite pass rusher Aziz. Everybody

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Speaker 1: What is it like to see AZ's finally get a

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Speaker 1: you know, seventy percent of the snaps last week, and

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Speaker 1: really I thought the contrast on tape was jarring. They

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Speaker 1: his speeding quickness operating to me was jarring. When you

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Speaker 1: rewatched the game on tape.

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Speaker 3: So to see him have that quality of level of

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Speaker 1: One thing they want to ask you about in that

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Speaker 1: I thought there were a number of times in that game,

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Speaker 1: more than most games you'll see Borough play, where you

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Speaker 1: your pass rush to get home. Was that a product

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Speaker 1: How were you able to take that first read away

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's both film study for sure. Understanding when you're

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Speaker 3: And then defensively, just making sure we're executing the scheme.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's doing their job at a high level. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I think that's probably a sign of progress from

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Speaker 3: I mean those guys are doing an excellent job. Starts

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Speaker 3: Their communication has been excellent. Drew Phillips has been an

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Speaker 1: In what areas and then we'll get to the opponent.

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Speaker 1: Do you still think there's room for progress and mastering

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Speaker 1: what Shane is trying to have you guys do every week?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just excelling in the details of our job. You know,

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Speaker 3: as we're going through the season, as we're getting plays.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's only so many times they can run

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Speaker 3: get that pattern recognition down more. But yeah, it's just

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Speaker 1: Now we're recording this before the injury report is out,

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Speaker 1: so we'll see what happens when it comes out. But

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Speaker 3: For sure. Yeah, similarly with a Cavon, we got a

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Speaker 3: next man up mentality. So those guys up front. DJ

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Speaker 3: he's been a great player for us. Same with Jordan Riley.

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Speaker 3: Those guys at front will play really well with Chapman

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Speaker 3: and then Burns can't come in. We got faith in

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Speaker 3: the guys. We have back end timon Fox, Boogie Basham,

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Speaker 3: have a great next man up mentality.

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Speaker 1: What is it like watching Dexter Lawrence play football every day?

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Speaker 1: You know, watch it on tape. It's so much fun.

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Speaker 1: I can only imagine what it's like standing behind that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fun. I mean he's driving offensive lineman five

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Speaker 3: the past, allowing the guys like me Micah to fly

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Speaker 1: He really dictates to an offense how they have to

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Speaker 3: Right, for sure, the same way. We're talking players not

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the opponent. You mentioned you

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Speaker 1: feel like you're stopping the run better. Yep, Well you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to this week, right, This is a tough challenge.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Not only Saquon Barkley, but also Jalen Hurts is part

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Speaker 1: So when you watch how they've run the ball this year, Philly,

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Speaker 1: player in a second that makes it difficult to defend.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they have a really good offensive line. You know,

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Speaker 3: they hang on the doubles, try to drive the defensive

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Speaker 3: And you know, their quarterback run game is pretty complex.

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Speaker 3: They run some counter they run some draw aspect of it,

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Speaker 1: Does your experience practicing against Saquon give you any sort

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Speaker 3: I mean, you just know the type of player he

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Speaker 3: is in a crunch time situation. You know he wants

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Speaker 3: like you've played him all the time in practice in

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Speaker 3: so it'll be an exciting challenge for us.

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Speaker 1: Is this similar to how you have to play Kenneth

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Speaker 1: he can make you miss if you're one on one.

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Speaker 1: He can also not necessarily go where the plays designed.

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Speaker 1: He can pop it in any direction and kind of

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Speaker 1: take it into both very explosive for sure.

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Speaker 3: I'd say Saquon has a little bit more weight on

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Speaker 3: him and has maybe a little bit more nemeicism, if

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Speaker 3: that's a word. He's a little more dynamic out of

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Speaker 3: so really got to limit him and don't give much space.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned the offensive line for Philly. Different group though

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Speaker 1: they have some different names in there. They're gonna be

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Speaker 1: with al Jordan Mailatta who but like you guys are

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Speaker 1: gonna miss Andrew Thomas, they're gonna have just as big

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Speaker 1: of a loss with my lot out there. Yeah, what

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Speaker 1: do you see from that offensive line? Obviously they have

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Speaker 1: a very good coaching Jeff Statin, he kind of has

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Speaker 1: them playing the same way. But how has know Jason

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Speaker 1: Kelsey obviously in the middle, So how does their how

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Speaker 1: does their offensive one look a little bit different than

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they're a gritty group. They're a physical group.

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Speaker 3: You know. They's center Cam Jurgen's got a lot of

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Speaker 3: Very desperate. We we want to win, bad for our fans,

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to see it. Bobby, good stuff a man,

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Speaker 1: goodluck on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, brother, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: You're ready for a change. Payday comes early with Citizens,

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Speaker 1: Now let's turn to the opponent. We'll look inside the

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles with Dave Spidarro, and now we welcome in

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Speaker 1: Dave Spidaro. He covers the Eagles for the team's official

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Speaker 1: site Front of the Program, been with us many times

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Speaker 1: over the years. Dave, let's start real basically here, what

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go through some of these injuries, just

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Speaker 1: Let's start here, which guys are you pretty sure not

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Speaker 5: Dave, I would tell you that it's very Jordan Mailatta,

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Speaker 1: And I lwaise AJ Brown's only played for two games

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Speaker 1: though it might be tough for you to tell, but

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Speaker 1: how is Kellen Moore utilizing Saquon Brown Smith in a

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Speaker 1: way that maybe is a little bit unique to get

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Speaker 1: the most out of them?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, non evident to date, and a lot of that

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Speaker 5: is AJ's injury, but it's There's been nothing particularly unusual

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Speaker 5: or signature Kellen Moore wise to date, other than the

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Speaker 5: way that the team performed in Brazil and against the Packers.

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Speaker 5: They had two early turnovers and then they turned it

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Speaker 5: on and had four hundred and ten yards of offense

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Speaker 5: and thirty four points and moved the ball up and

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Speaker 5: down the field and it looked really good. Where the

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Speaker 5: Eagles haven't gotten production is when AJ is off the field.

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Speaker 5: Johan Dotson has been as productive when Goddard has been

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Speaker 5: off the field. Grant Calcatara last week was productive but

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Speaker 5: until then not as productive. So they really haven't gotten

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Speaker 5: it in volume from players beyond Aj DeVante and Dallas Goddard.

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Speaker 5: In the past game. Saquan has been used early on

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Speaker 5: a lot and was really really effective. Then when they

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Speaker 5: lost in Tampa Bay, Eagles fell behind early, he only

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Speaker 5: got ten touches. Fans were going, why aren't you giving

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Speaker 5: the ball to Saquon Barkley. Last week, it was really

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Speaker 5: obvious that Jim Schwartz and Cleveland schemed to stop the

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Speaker 5: run and they did an excellent job against Saquon Barkley,

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Speaker 5: who's looked terrific you know, he had to drop against Atlanta,

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Speaker 5: but as you know, total professional, very very very very

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Speaker 5: good football player. No complaints about Saquon Barkley at all.

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Speaker 5: He has added a lot of dynamic running ability and

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Speaker 5: in that game against Green Bay pass catching ability to

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Speaker 5: this offense.

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Speaker 1: You know, I just want to follow up on the

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Speaker 1: receivers because I think one thing watching that's kind of

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Speaker 1: surprised me, Dave, is that I thought maybe they'd be

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Speaker 1: a larger change in how the passing game is structured

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Speaker 1: with rout combination and stuff. With Kellam Moore, it kind

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Speaker 1: of looks the same to me. You're closer to it

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Speaker 1: than I am.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's I think that's fair, and I

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Speaker 5: think that's a question A lot of people are asking

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Speaker 5: about this offense. So maybe it's being integrated very slowly

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Speaker 5: into it. Maybe they're finding out that some of the

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Speaker 5: things that they want to do are really compatible with

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Speaker 5: the talent that they have. I don't know, but we

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Speaker 5: are waiting to see the signature of Kellen Moore on

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Speaker 5: this offense and Todate. I think it's only been very

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Speaker 5: little of a difference between what we see now and

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Speaker 5: what we've seen in the past.

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Speaker 1: Years. Yeah, and again, I think until you get aj

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Speaker 1: Bran at Devanta swith together from multiple games, you might

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Speaker 1: not see that. And that's and that's gonna start coming now,

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Speaker 1: all right. Defensively, Dave upfront doesn't look like as dominant

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Speaker 1: of the group as we've seen traditionally from Philadelphia. The

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Speaker 1: joke I've been making like, I feel like Jalen Carter

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Speaker 1: is the guy that you got to like wind up

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Speaker 1: a little bit before the game. But if you wind

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Speaker 1: them up, he's good. But sometimes he plays and he

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Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be wound up. So how has this

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Speaker 1: defensive front kind of come together with a bunch of

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Speaker 1: new faces, including Bryce Off, who, if you look at

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Speaker 1: some of the advanced metrics, has not been very productive.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, fair I mean Jalen Carter had the dominant game

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Speaker 5: against New Orleans, Otherwise has been fairly ordinary. I mean,

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Speaker 5: waiting for him to be a consistently dominant defensive tackle.

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Speaker 5: Brice huff Edge player successful with the Jets, really great

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Speaker 5: get Off has not has registered at half a quarterback

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Speaker 5: sack last week, so showed some improvement. The Eagles haven't

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Speaker 5: gotten to the quarterback as much as they like Vic

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Speaker 5: Fangio generally doesn't want to have to blitz.

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Speaker 3: He dials it up a.

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Speaker 5: Bit last week against Cleveland, and Cleveland's a really difficult

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Speaker 5: case study because their offense is so bad and Deshaun

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Speaker 5: Watson is so inaccurate, and so yeah, the defensive line

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Speaker 5: has not performed to pass standards. I think that's fair

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Speaker 5: to say, both against the run and the pass.

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Speaker 1: And how about the secondary. You got a weird mix

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Speaker 1: of like rookies and then veteran guys that have been

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Speaker 1: around for a long time. How have they mixed that

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Speaker 1: this kind of group of talent together In terms of

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Speaker 1: structuring Banjo's back end, which obviously he's trying to play

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Speaker 1: a lot of his own and keep things in front

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Speaker 1: of him, played.

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Speaker 5: A lot more man last week against Cleveland, So I

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Speaker 5: saw that a bit of a different a different look

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Speaker 5: from the defense, finding out what your personnel can do.

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Speaker 5: Two very promising impressive rookies in Quinnon Mitchell and Cooper

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Speaker 5: Jean Darius Slay still playing good football. The safeties read

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Speaker 5: blanket Chips had a couple of late game interceptions.

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Speaker 1: CJ.

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Speaker 5: Gardner Johnson is has been a bit inconsistent with his

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Speaker 5: tackling I mean, I think the thing that's been all

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Speaker 5: through all three levels really misstackles have been a worry

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Speaker 5: point for VIC and for the defense. So I think

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Speaker 5: Sunday really is a great test against you know, a

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Speaker 5: Giants offense that, when it is whole. Milik Neighbors is

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Speaker 5: the guy that everybody's kind of talking about, is a

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Speaker 5: much better gauge for where this defense is. It's hard

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Speaker 5: to tell when you play Cleveland because that offense is

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Speaker 5: so out of sorts, and people will put up teams

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Speaker 5: put up really good numbers against Cleveland reals. I mean,

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Speaker 5: that's just the way their offense is performed. So I

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Speaker 5: would say it's an emerging secondary with two young rookies.

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Speaker 5: Are they are the present, they are the future, and

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Speaker 5: they have shown that the moment is not too large

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Speaker 5: for them to date.

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Speaker 1: All right, final question, if there's one either matchup or

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Speaker 1: aspect of the Eagles that you think could really give

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Speaker 1: them an advantage in this game. And then on the

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Speaker 1: other side, what's one thing you're really worried about again

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Speaker 1: heading into this game against the Giants that you think

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Speaker 1: could determine victory or defeat.

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Speaker 5: I think that the worrisome part or the I really

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Speaker 5: think that Daniel Jones and the way that the Giants

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Speaker 5: use his mobility and the way the Eagles have not

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Speaker 5: really faced that kind of quarterback fish. So let's see

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Speaker 5: how VIC schemes against the run game of Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 5: That is, you know, look quarterback draws. I mean, the

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Speaker 5: Eagles have it in the in the the idea, they

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Speaker 5: have an answer for it. Will they be able to

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Speaker 5: provide that answer on Sunday? I think that's one of

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Speaker 5: the things I'm really looking at because if you can

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Speaker 5: contain Daniel Jones and the run game and his explosiveness

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Speaker 5: in the run game, and I know their running backs

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Speaker 5: have performed well, but Daniel's always had success running against

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Speaker 5: the Eagles, and when they've been able to slow him down,

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Speaker 5: they've been able to get after him a little bit.

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Speaker 5: So that's the one thing I think from an advantage standpoint,

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Speaker 5: I mean, aj Brown and DeVante Smith are just dominant

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Speaker 5: wide receivers and to me, I think everybody's focus is

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Speaker 5: going to be on Saquon and the return to MetLife

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Speaker 5: Stadium and absolutely a storyline, But from the football standpoint,

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Speaker 5: how can the Eagles get explosive plays out of their

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Speaker 5: wide receivers against the Giants secondary. So I think when

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Speaker 5: you have aj and DeVante, you always have an advantage.

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Speaker 1: Dave you the best man. Thanks so much, I'll see

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Speaker 1: you on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: Thanks John.

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Speaker 1: Brian Dable.

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Speaker 6: As always, were joined by the head coach of the

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Speaker 6: New York Giants, Brian Dables. Afternoon, it's the Giants and

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Speaker 6: Eagles at MetLife Stadium and coach Obviously division game home

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Speaker 6: game has extra meaning to it. You know you guys

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Speaker 6: were able to beat them at the end of the

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Speaker 6: last season when they were trying to win because of

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Speaker 6: the way their season was going. Is there any carryover

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Speaker 6: or you know, with it being so long ago and

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Speaker 6: with the teams changing as much as they have that, Uh,

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Speaker 6: there's no such thing as that kind of momentum in

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Speaker 6: the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think there's any thing like that. New year,

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Speaker 2: new team. You know, this is an important game for us.

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Speaker 2: As you said, it's a division game against Philadelphia Eagles.

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Speaker 2: They have a new team, you know, some new pieces,

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Speaker 2: and you know the most important thing is going out

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Speaker 2: there and playing well.

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Speaker 3: So let's cut to the chase here, right.

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Speaker 6: They've been struggling a little bit, and then they get

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Speaker 6: Devonte Smith back, and they get aj Brown back and

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Speaker 6: they wound up making big plays last week en route

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Speaker 6: to beating the Cleveland Browns. When you look at these

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Speaker 6: two guys, obviously they're super talented. What makes them special

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Speaker 6: in a lot of ways from a football standpoint, IQ wise, Well.

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Speaker 2: I can speak on DeVante. I was with him at Alabama.

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Speaker 2: He's He's got all the tools you need to be

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Speaker 2: an elite receiver. He's very instinctive, he has good hands,

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Speaker 2: he's a crafty route runner. You make contested catches, and

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Speaker 2: he can run with the ball in his hands, and

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Speaker 2: no Aj for a while. He's strong, he's hard to cover.

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Speaker 2: When he's covered, he still makes contested catches. I don't

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Speaker 2: think it's any secret. While you get big plays when

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Speaker 2: you get two guys like that back, you know, and

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Speaker 2: Jaln puts the ball where he needs to put the

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Speaker 2: ball to give those guys opportunities. So definitely a challenge,

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Speaker 2: particularly outside the numbers and vertical. You know, Smiddy does

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Speaker 2: some good catch and run stuff, as AJ Brown does.

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Speaker 2: Two of the better receivers in the league.

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Speaker 6: You know, I guess that is the league now, right, coach,

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Speaker 6: Because we have the same conversation leading into the Seattle game,

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Speaker 6: and we had the same conversation leading into the Bengals game.

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Speaker 6: We have the same conversation this week with Philadelphia. The

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Speaker 6: game has really evolved in a lot of ways, hasn't

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Speaker 6: it since you know, you first came in the league

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Speaker 6: twenty five years ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, these and you know, these receivers that are coming

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Speaker 2: out of college, you know, they're adapting probably a lot

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Speaker 2: quicker than they did twenty years ago. But again, everybody's bigger, longer, faster,

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Speaker 2: and seems like every team you know, has at least one,

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Speaker 2: if not two, elite players on the perimeter, and I

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Speaker 2: think that's what you need nowadays in the National Football

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Speaker 2: League to put stress on defenses.

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Speaker 6: Obviously, it's the return of Saquon Barkley, and you and

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Speaker 6: he worked together for the last couple of years. You

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Speaker 6: think it'll be weird seeing him in the uniform just

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Speaker 6: during warm ups or whatever. I know, it doesn't factor

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Speaker 6: in anything in the game. The game is the game,

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Speaker 6: and he's a talented player. But is there any kind

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Speaker 6: of weirdness that you expect just to see him in

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Speaker 6: Eagles Green.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you said, twenty five years, it's been a

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Speaker 2: long time, and you see pretty much everything you can

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Speaker 2: see in the National Football League. I've said this before.

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Speaker 2: I got a tremendous amount of respect for Saquon the

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Speaker 2: things that he did for me when he was here.

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Speaker 2: And you know, it's it'll be important that we play well.

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Speaker 2: That's the most important thing. And he's a hard person

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Speaker 2: to defend. Give him a crease, he can go the distance.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna have to tackle him well and cover him well.

654
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 2: He's a he's a very talented player, you.

655
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Speaker 6: Know, defensively, coach with the young guys in the secondary

656
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 6: things coming along nicely with the group. And then you

657
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 6: know guys that have been here even pre dating you,

658
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 6: a guy like Azizo Julari stepped up last week in

659
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Speaker 6: the absence of Cavon Thibodeau. Can you just talk about

660
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 6: the way your defense is starting to really come into

661
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 6: form as far as with a new coordinator, understanding exactly

662
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Speaker 6: what's being asked to them and then them executing it

663
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Speaker 6: at a nice high level.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, each week, each week, there's been improvement. I think

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00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 2: Jerome Henderson has done a really good job with these

666
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 2: with these young defensive backs. You know, they meet constantly

667
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 2: early late, He's out there on a practice field giving

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Speaker 2: them the details, and you know, give those guys credit

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Speaker 2: for putting the work in. And you know, Shane obviously

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00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 2: is our leader on the defensive side of football. He's

671
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 2: a very good teacher. He's demanding, he's fair, and I

672
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 2: think he's done a good job of bringing everybody together, coaches,

673
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 2: players alike. And again, one week, you know has nothing

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Speaker 2: to do with the next week, but you know, you're

675
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 2: you're seeing improvement each and every day.

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Speaker 6: Coach, Obviously, you got some tough news earlier in the

677
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 6: week when it was announced that Andrew Thomas would need surgery,

678
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 6: which he had you know, earlier in the week, and

679
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 6: you know, he's lost for the year. I know it's

680
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 6: a next man up league and everybody's got to step up,

681
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 6: and it is that next man up. But from a

682
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 6: team standpoint, when you lose one of your captains and

683
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 6: one of your best football players, what kind of adjustments

684
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 6: do you have to make with the team, forget about

685
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 6: the physical part, with the psychological part of the group,

686
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Speaker 6: knowing that you don't have him for the rest of

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Speaker 6: the year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think all the players and the coaches understand

689
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 2: that those things happen in this league and they're unfortunate,

690
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 2: and we feel terrible for Andrew and everybody wishes him

691
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 2: well and stays in contact with him, but you really

692
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 2: have to move on, and that's the nature of the

693
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: business we're in. So we have to make sure that

694
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 2: we're getting our other players ready to go. Andrews, you know,

695
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 2: he's a great player, he's a great leader. Unfortunately we

696
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: don't have him, and you know, it is the next

697
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 2: man up mentality. Everybody's got to be ready to go

698
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 2: to go out there and perform at a high level.

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Speaker 6: Do you think sometimes fans and even us in the

700
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 6: media underestimate the ego. And I mean this in a

701
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 6: good way, but you know, all these guys are in

702
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 6: the NFL for a reason, and they all have unbelievable

703
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 6: confidence in themselves that they can play and that that

704
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 6: competitive spirit, you know, leads to Cinderella's stories, leads to

705
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 6: these stories of I don't know, this is one hundred

706
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 6: years of Giants football, Victor Cruz being undrafted and becoming

707
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 6: a star. You're around him, You've been around him a

708
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 6: long time. Guys have a lot of confidence when maybe

709
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 6: everybody else in the outside world doesn't think that somebody's

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Speaker 6: gonna be able to step up and perform.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think they all want to be excellent in their

713
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 2: craft and that's why they put so much work into

714
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 2: it inside the building, in the meeting rooms, on the

715
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: practice field and the offseason. You know, everybody wants to

716
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 2: go out there and do as well as they can do,

717
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: and they put everything they got into it. And there's

718
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 2: different talent levels, no question about that. But the mindset,

719
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Speaker 2: the discipline, the attitude, you know, the will, the grit

720
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Speaker 2: that that these players have. I think it's important to

721
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 2: each and every one of them. So when they get

722
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: their opportunity, they want to make the most of it,

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Speaker 2: and we want to help them make the most of it.

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Speaker 1: Coach.

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Speaker 6: Obviously, the run game is something that is very important

726
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 6: for you guys. You know, Devin Singletary has been back practicing.

727
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Speaker 6: You know, Tyrone Tracy's done a nice job for you.

728
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 6: Talk a little bit about how important it is to

729
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Speaker 6: run the ball against this Philadelphia team. Just sort of

730
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Speaker 6: stay on schedule.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, you know, the most important thing for us,

732
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Speaker 2: Bob is to execute well on early downs, regardless if

733
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 2: it's a run or a pass. You know, the run

734
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: game can control clock, but you need to gain yards

735
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: with it as well. You know, you can intermede past it,

736
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 2: intermediate pass it, short pass it, but you know, coming

737
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: off on the ball, letting the line, you know, go

738
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Speaker 2: forward and the running back gain yards positive yards. But again,

739
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 2: you know, you run the ball a bunch and it's

740
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,239
Speaker 2: second and ten, or it's you know, second and eight

741
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: and you run it and it's third and eight. It's

742
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: got to be a productive running game, whether it's downhill

743
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 2: outside quarterback runs. You know, it's important. You know, it's

744
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: an important part of the offense, but you know, so

745
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: is the pass game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Speaking of the pass game and wrapping it up here,

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Speaker 6: Leak Neighbors obviously got back to work this week and

749
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Speaker 6: the red jersey came off in practice. What about getting

750
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Speaker 6: him back up to speed after missing the time. Does

751
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 6: he look like, you know, he hasn't missed a step

752
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 6: so far.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think anytime you have a little bit of

754
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 2: a layoff, you know, you have to make sure your

755
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: conditioning is right because you're not out there practicing every day.

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Speaker 2: But you know, the two practice says that he's been

757
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 2: part of. He's been i'd say productive and in shape,

758
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 2: ready to go. It's good to have him back.

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Speaker 1: Coach.

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Speaker 6: We appreciate a couple of minutes. Good luck against Philadelphia

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Speaker 6: and we'll do it again next week.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Bob.

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Speaker 1: Great job from all of our guests today, we thank

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Speaker 1: them for joining us on the Giants Total Podcast. Bob Coach, Dable,

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Speaker 1: Dave Bidaro, and Bobby Okaa.

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Speaker 4: Kay.

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Speaker 1: I'm John Schmulk. Stay tuned to the Giants Total Podcast

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