Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky
Speaker 2: and Rhett with you as we uh, as we inch
Speaker 2: a little closer, not only to the draft of Hey, boys,
Speaker 2: it's Big twelve Combine week. Let's go heading out to Dallas.
Speaker 2: I smell a dinner coming our way tomorrow as we
Speaker 2: get ready for the Big two combine.
Speaker 1: Let's let's go. We got this. This is the year
Speaker 1: two of this. This event fired up to uh to
Speaker 1: get a you know, another look at some players.
Speaker 3: Man never passed down an opportunity to evaluate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna have a chance to uh, not only
Speaker 2: see all those guys, we're gonna talk to all those
Speaker 2: head coaches too during the week. So looking forward to that.
Speaker 2: We got three hours of coverage. Rhtt you're on that right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked to by the way, coach Sadderfield today,
Speaker 1: your year old pal over and a it's got a
Speaker 1: think about a close to a dozen Cincinnati players that'll
Speaker 1: be taking part.
Speaker 3: So I'm excited to see some of those guys.
Speaker 1: Give some a couple of nuggets on on those guys
Speaker 1: and that look that's That's ultimately what we're trying to
Speaker 1: do here as well, is you know, get to know
Speaker 1: some of these guys and let those of you tune
Speaker 1: in on Wednesday and Thursday once we're down there in Dallas,
Speaker 1: get a chance to better know some of these players.
Speaker 1: They're going to end up on your favorite teams. That's
Speaker 1: what it's all about.
Speaker 2: Look forward to it. All right, let's get things cranking here.
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Speaker 2: Mobile four Business. We had a new contract come down, Buck,
Speaker 2: and I wanted to get to you on this one.
Speaker 2: So when you have Derek Stingley getting a new deal
Speaker 2: putting him at the top of the corner market, I
Speaker 2: want to go back to that draft class, right. So
Speaker 2: this is twenty twenty one the NFL Draft. These are
Speaker 2: I'll give you the top thirteen picks here, Trevor Lawrence,
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Kyle Pitts, Jamar Chase, Jalen Wattle,
Speaker 2: Piney Sewell, j C. Horn, Patrick Sir Tandavonte Smith, Justin Fields,
Speaker 2: Micah Parsons Rashaan Slater from that group, we've already seen
Speaker 2: now Trevor Lawrence has got paid. We've seen Jamar Chase,
Speaker 2: We've seen Wattle, we've seen Sewell, We've seen Horn, We've
Speaker 2: seen Sir Tan, We've seen DeVante Smith, and yet to come.
Speaker 2: I would imagine we're going to see eventually the Micah Parsons,
Speaker 2: Rashn Slater, Elijah Verk Tucker. I would guess probably gets done.
Speaker 2: I mean, that is a lot of dudes sticking and
Speaker 2: getting big deals on second contracts. That turned out to
Speaker 2: be a heck of a draft.
Speaker 4: It did turn out to be ahead of a draft.
Speaker 5: And it's interesting that most of the guys that we
Speaker 5: were talking about are your non quarterbacks, you guys that
Speaker 5: are your traditional position players.
Speaker 4: And how we were able to look.
Speaker 5: I would say some teams avoided the temptation of getting
Speaker 5: a quarterback and focused on taking the best player available,
Speaker 5: and those guys have turned out to be I would
Speaker 5: say even better than expected. And Derek Stanley signing his deal,
Speaker 5: I just remember looking at the tape and you had
Speaker 5: to lean on.
Speaker 4: A lot of the earlier years.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he didn't play much last year as opposed to
Speaker 5: the last the last season, but it's look, there's a
Speaker 5: lesson and that for scouts, it's the entire body of work.
Speaker 4: It's not the final season. You gotta look at it all.
Speaker 5: And he was helped by the fact that we were
Speaker 5: able to look at the one on one tapes him
Speaker 5: against Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase.
Speaker 4: That certainly played a part in him being drafted.
Speaker 2: He was drafted. That was my coup that year. That
Speaker 2: was my coup that year. If getting the practice tapes.
Speaker 3: Nice, Yeah, you had to have it. I had to
Speaker 3: have it.
Speaker 2: Hey.
Speaker 1: By the way, Jalen Phillips also got paid on a
Speaker 1: second contract. Who is down there in the fifty eighteen
Speaker 1: overall and Greg Russou at thirty also got a second
Speaker 1: deal from the same team.
Speaker 2: So good draft, class man, and there's more to come.
Speaker 3: Technically, Reshot Bateman got another deal too. It wasn't like
Speaker 3: a massive one, but it was an extension. Yet Darisa
Speaker 3: got out of him.
Speaker 2: It pays to get out ahead. DEARRISA is a great player. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I think you get those done early. Man.
Speaker 2: I every now and then you're gonna be wrong. You're
Speaker 2: gonna gamble and be a little bit wrong, but man,
Speaker 2: the price they do not go down when you've got
Speaker 2: good players.
Speaker 5: It never goes down, and it's going up by the week.
Speaker 5: I mean the city, I think J. C. Horns has
Speaker 5: his due and you look up de extintly says the
Speaker 5: new ceiling for the position. We're finally. The funny thing
Speaker 5: is what used to be quarterback money, We're now seeing
Speaker 5: guys ascend into that that range. For a long time,
Speaker 5: twenty million was kind of like that forbidden ground. Now
Speaker 5: we're seeing that thirty million is kind of like the
Speaker 5: new ray for your marquee players at your traditional positions.
Speaker 5: It's just interesting. You better to pay them earlier rather
Speaker 5: than wait, because it it doesn't go down.
Speaker 1: Just on, just on that subject here real quick, because
Speaker 1: obviously the T. Higgins and the Jamar Chase came up
Speaker 1: here and I will probably get to it here in
Speaker 1: a second ditch.
Speaker 3: But like I mean, this is if I've.
Speaker 1: Ever seen somebody trying to recreate the two thousand and
Speaker 1: seven Indianapolis Colts. I mean, it's like, you go back
Speaker 1: and look at it. Marvin Harrison, Peyton Manning, Dwight Freeny,
Speaker 1: and Reggie Wayne with the top four cap hits on
Speaker 1: that team. They went on to win a Super Bowl, right,
Speaker 1: And so I mean like Marvin Harrison thirty five years
Speaker 1: old making twelve the highest highest cap hit on that
Speaker 1: whole on that team in O seven. It's kind of
Speaker 1: interesting the way that they've strategized similarly that way.
Speaker 5: Well, look, I think I think it was more interesting.
Speaker 5: I think they have the same representation they do they do. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I think they did a mic and mic deal. Hey,
Speaker 5: you can't tell me about one without me the others,
Speaker 5: and so we're we're package. I think DJ you talked
Speaker 5: about on Rosie's podcast, the tandem bike.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the tandon bike you wanted. You get all like,
Speaker 4: we're both going over, not going at all.
Speaker 2: That's what I told Rosenthal is. I was like, he
Speaker 2: and we're going to get to this free agency stuff
Speaker 2: and where we go with the draft here in a minute.
Speaker 2: But he was like, I don't know. The Bengals defense stinks.
Speaker 2: They haven't signed anybody. I'm like, hey, man, when you're
Speaker 2: a kid and you have an allowance and you're saving
Speaker 2: up and you want a bike, but you go to
Speaker 2: the toy store and you go, mom, I want a
Speaker 2: video game, but you can use your allowance, but you
Speaker 2: ain't never getting that bike you go shopping for the video.
Speaker 2: I'm like they went, they saved up all their money,
Speaker 2: didn't spend any of it free agency, and they went
Speaker 2: and spent on those two shiny new bikes that they got.
Speaker 2: Maybe have a chance to get a third bike here
Speaker 2: with Hendrickson, but yeah, but that's gonna you know, let's
Speaker 2: wrap this top part because I want to get to
Speaker 2: this next part of the discussion here. That's a wrap
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Speaker 2: So Buck, I've put together some questions, some draft related
Speaker 2: questions I was thinking about. I told give RTT a
Speaker 2: little notice on this one, but I like getting the
Speaker 2: raw reactions. So this is like some of the takeaways
Speaker 2: that I have as to where we are now. And
Speaker 2: this one was not at the top of the list,
Speaker 2: but just coming off that conversation, I'm going to move
Speaker 2: it to the top of the list. Cincinnati now, you know,
Speaker 2: with what they're doing and because they couldn't be real
Speaker 2: active in free agency because they want to take care
Speaker 2: of these guys My question is when you look at
Speaker 2: them defensively last year, twenty fifth points per game, twenty
Speaker 2: fifth tied for twenty fifth, and sacks as well, terrible
Speaker 2: on the defensive side of the ball. So my question is,
Speaker 2: you guys can both hit it. Buck Euro up first.
Speaker 2: Is this an all defense draft? We've seen team do
Speaker 2: a draft on one side of the ball. Is this
Speaker 2: we got to solve all of our problems on defense
Speaker 2: in the draft, and we got to scout them and
Speaker 2: we got to develop them once they get here.
Speaker 4: Yes, I think so.
Speaker 5: And I think Trey Henderson if they're able to sign
Speaker 5: him back, it makes perfect sense. Red brought up the
Speaker 5: Indianapolis coast and how that was how they constructed their
Speaker 5: team to be a Super Bowl champion. The Cincinnati Bengals
Speaker 5: might have tipped their hand when they hired Al Golden
Speaker 5: from Notre Dame. Al Golden just spent a couple of
Speaker 5: years dealing with some eighteen to twenty two year olds,
Speaker 5: getting them up to speed, getting them to play defense
Speaker 5: at a high level. So the teaching and schematics and
Speaker 5: all that, he certainly understands how to get that age
Speaker 5: group ready to play.
Speaker 4: If you're the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 5: Let's be real, the only reason why they didn't go
Speaker 5: to the playoffs a season ago is like they got
Speaker 5: off to the slow start. If they can figure out
Speaker 5: how to start faster, whatever their issues are on defense,
Speaker 5: that offense can light it up. And I think what
Speaker 5: you do now is you coach your team differently. Thirty
Speaker 5: points has to be the magic number. Every week. You
Speaker 5: put the pressure on Joe Burrow and those guys on
Speaker 5: the outside.
Speaker 4: We got to get to thirty.
Speaker 5: Then defensively, we're just trying to like not let the
Speaker 5: big play go and find a way to rush the passes.
Speaker 5: To me, they are a carbon copy of what the
Speaker 5: Colts were able to do to be a top team
Speaker 5: in the AFC for a decade.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think I'm I would agree with
Speaker 1: you on that front. And so you know, I'm kind
Speaker 1: of interested to see where this thing goes as we
Speaker 1: as we kind of look, you know, forward to where
Speaker 1: the Bengals are, you know, looking at what they're where
Speaker 1: they sit right now, where we got them at Where
Speaker 1: did I seventeen? They picked seven seventeen, that's right, seventeen
Speaker 1: A ton of picks, right, but they always.
Speaker 2: Have their picking their round man since Anti Angles where
Speaker 2: it is at the same dinner every night when it
Speaker 2: comes back.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know, I think I think you could
Speaker 1: find I mean, you're gonna get you can find one
Speaker 1: of the best, you know, one of those d linemen,
Speaker 1: whether that's an edge guy, whether it's one of the
Speaker 1: interior guys, You're gonna have a have.
Speaker 3: An opportunity there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think this is an opportunity for the Bengals to
Speaker 1: get a lot better on defense in this draft.
Speaker 2: Yeah, spoiler, I got a mock draft coming out tomorrow,
Speaker 2: and I mean it's just one pick. We can give
Speaker 2: away one pick. So Mike Green, I said, Mike Green
Speaker 2: from Marshall as someone to throw on the other side there.
Speaker 2: Let him rush. And again to Bucky's point, you know,
Speaker 2: if you're hunting for thirty points, guess what, we're gonna
Speaker 2: put a premium on guys who can rush the quarterback.
Speaker 2: We're gonna play with the lead. So let's let's maybe
Speaker 2: we got to give a little bit against the run.
Speaker 2: If we got to do that, that's that's okay. We're
Speaker 2: gonna go hunt the quarterback. And that's really what the
Speaker 2: Colts did. The Colts built their team, for their stadium,
Speaker 2: and for their offense during the exactly right undersize fast
Speaker 2: rush the quarterback, if you could get on them, if
Speaker 2: you could get a lead on them, you were in
Speaker 2: a pretty good spot.
Speaker 1: But they had some younger players that contributed, right, that
Speaker 1: were that were draft picks. You go back to Bob Sanders,
Speaker 1: you go back to Joe and Die and Anthony Gonzalez,
Speaker 1: and like they had had younger players filling those those
Speaker 1: kind of gaps.
Speaker 3: And that's exactly what since that he's gonna have to
Speaker 3: do here.
Speaker 5: And it all worked together because remember Tony Dungee's defense
Speaker 5: was super simple, so young guys could jump in and play,
Speaker 5: not a lot of thinking, just sea ball, get ball.
Speaker 5: I am sure in Cincinnati it would be something that
Speaker 5: is young player friendly to allow them to get those
Speaker 5: young defenders on the field, because look, the onus whether
Speaker 5: they win or lose, would depend on the big three
Speaker 5: Joe Burrow, T Higgins, Jamar Chase. They got to play
Speaker 5: great every week for this team to win. Look, that's
Speaker 5: where the money goes, all.
Speaker 2: Right, So that was one of the questions. Guys. I
Speaker 2: wrote down some more here because these these are things
Speaker 2: that are dominating my thoughts right now. So I've got
Speaker 2: my own thoughts, and I kind of changed a little
Speaker 2: bit from day to day. I want to get some
Speaker 2: fresh perspective from you guys on this one. So Buck, again,
Speaker 2: you're batting lead off here, because this is the one
Speaker 2: that I just keep thinking about the Cleveland Browns. Here
Speaker 2: we go. So we're in the draft room. Picture it.
Speaker 2: We're in the draft room. We got the white board
Speaker 2: up there. So here's what I'm writing up on the
Speaker 2: whiteboardy ready, I've got Schador Sanders and Nick s Gordon
Speaker 2: and underneath that, I've got Abdull Carter and Tyler Shuck's
Speaker 2: Dret's chomping at the bit to get in here. But
Speaker 2: what I want to get, Bucky, I want to get
Speaker 2: your un unfiltered thoughts on that one.
Speaker 3: Now, are you saying second round for Shuck at this point.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, these are your first two picks. You either
Speaker 2: Pickandars with the first pick and you get Nick Gordon
Speaker 2: as this as your second round pick, or you take
Speaker 2: Abduall Carter with your first pick and you get Tyler
Speaker 2: Shuck with your second pick.
Speaker 5: I'm just fascinated by the combination of having two dominant
Speaker 5: pass rushers. Coming coming coming off of the conversation where
Speaker 5: we just talked about Cincinnati loading up offensively, Baltimore is
Speaker 5: loaded on on offense.
Speaker 4: I mean, who knows what Pittsburghns do, but they go
Speaker 4: and get DK Metcalf.
Speaker 5: I think you just have to take Abduall Carter to
Speaker 5: give yourself a chance and then Tyler shut if. Look, man,
Speaker 5: you're taking a chance on an older player, seven year
Speaker 5: college player. But he's as talented as they come when
Speaker 5: you look at him compared to that tier.
Speaker 4: He's certainly there.
Speaker 5: It's just a matter of who's who's the guy that
Speaker 5: he's competing with for the starting job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I do find that that part of it,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of interesting to see a lot of
Speaker 1: the talk and a lot of.
Speaker 2: After looked.
Speaker 4: Probably about the same age.
Speaker 1: I don't care how old he is, Like the Browns
Speaker 1: haven't had a quarterback in twenty years, Like they'll take
Speaker 1: one for five years.
Speaker 2: Took the playoffs fine, but he's no longer there.
Speaker 3: I mean, like they had a chance to keep him
Speaker 3: and didn't. I don't know, man, I just I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't care about the age thing on that one
Speaker 1: with me and I would, Yeah, I would lock in
Speaker 1: Abdull car. I feel better about Abdul Carter than I
Speaker 1: do Nick. Like I feel better about Abdull Carter being
Speaker 1: a being that much better than Nick Gorton, and I
Speaker 1: feel like Shador And that's.
Speaker 2: That's the whole thing to me, is that's the That's
Speaker 2: how I would frame the argument. Is like and people
Speaker 2: say quarterback Trump's everything, Just take your best quarterback. That's
Speaker 2: that side of the argument, right, My thing is the gap.
Speaker 2: But like, you're hitting a home run with Abdol Carter.
Speaker 2: Nick Gorton is a nice player, but that's not even
Speaker 2: they're not even on the same planet. And then Tyler Shuck.
Speaker 2: I can say he's got a stronger arm, he's bigger,
Speaker 2: he's more athletic, like, he's got a lot of things
Speaker 2: in his column, you know, favorably. I don't know that
Speaker 2: I could say Nick Gorton does one thing better than
Speaker 2: Abdel Carter does. So you're getting an elite, elite player,
Speaker 2: and you're gonna have on the opposite side of the
Speaker 2: most talented head rusher that maybe we've ever seen in
Speaker 2: the NFL. So you're gonna get one on ones with him.
Speaker 2: I mean Abdol Carter is going to have fourteen sacks
Speaker 2: as a rookie if he goes to Cleveland. And the
Speaker 2: other thing is Buck And you know him as you
Speaker 2: know him, maybe not as well as I do, but
Speaker 2: you know him telling you man Jim Schwartz in that
Speaker 2: draft in that draft meeting, being like, boys, you don't understand.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know the court, I know.
Speaker 2: Find another quarterback. Just find one because you only even
Speaker 2: need to score seventeen points a game. You don't need
Speaker 2: to score that. You give me him, yeah, yeah, let
Speaker 2: him as.
Speaker 1: Garrett by the way, you know, and talking to I'm
Speaker 1: sure you guys have talked some folks at Penn State,
Speaker 1: but I was talking to Tom Allen, uh, you know
Speaker 1: who was there and facilitated the switch down to edge
Speaker 1: full time for Abdul Carter and was like, never had
Speaker 1: to push that, never had to press him to get
Speaker 1: like that he practices as hard as anybody on that
Speaker 1: team that year that that Tom was there, Like he
Speaker 1: is as as hard a practice player as he is
Speaker 1: a game player. And we saw that throughout the playoffs.
Speaker 1: That is a tough dude who is really still scratching
Speaker 1: the surface of what he can be as an edge.
Speaker 3: Right, this is a year we're talking about a year?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's it's again, this is an interesting
Speaker 2: discussion and this could very well be a discussion with
Speaker 2: the New York Giants at three. It's saying that if
Speaker 2: the quarterback goes to if Sanders were to go two, yeah,
Speaker 2: then the Giants would be faced, you know, or sorry
Speaker 2: if if the Browns will take somebody else and shoots falls.
Speaker 2: Now you have to say, Okay, maybe they're hunting the
Speaker 2: same guy. Maybe it's Jackson Dart, whoever it is. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're now looking at well as Travis Hunter. Do I
Speaker 2: want Travis Hunter in a next tier quarterback?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: You know? Like that whole conversation is it's gonna be fascinating.
Speaker 3: That's what this draft is about to me.
Speaker 1: Once you get beyond cam Ward, right for the at
Speaker 1: least in the top ten, Like that's what these teams
Speaker 1: are going to be saying.
Speaker 5: Yeah see, And I'm I am still pausing and pumping
Speaker 5: the brakes a little bit on cam Ward.
Speaker 4: I don't have cam Ward.
Speaker 5: Like as the stratospheric quarterback that is going to solve everything.
Speaker 5: He certainly is more talented in those things. I think
Speaker 5: it's funny how the conversation has become cam Ward and
Speaker 5: then everybody else.
Speaker 4: I'm just a little leary and going all in. But
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 5: I love what we're talking about with Abdul Carter because
Speaker 5: if we were talking, are we saying that we that
Speaker 5: cam Ward is the most talented player in the draft.
Speaker 5: We're just saying take position out, say I.
Speaker 2: Feel like Ward is going to go one. I just
Speaker 2: feel like between.
Speaker 4: You know, I got that.
Speaker 5: I'm not talking about who goes one. I'm just talking
Speaker 5: about if we were just at the park, Oh player, Okay, Okay,
Speaker 5: I was just getting it. Who's your number one player?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Ab Carter?
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 5: So then if I'm the Cleveland Browns, if you always
Speaker 5: take the best player, you can't go wrong. Because we've
Speaker 5: talked about this in a bunch of different iterations. Build
Speaker 5: up one side of the ball to be great, and
Speaker 5: that'll give you a chance. And so if we're talking
Speaker 5: about in Cleveland, we have a chance to build a
Speaker 5: great defense with Miles Garrett and Abdul Carter, who are
Speaker 5: guaranteed to grow together for at least the next four years.
Speaker 5: Why not go all in on that to be dominant
Speaker 5: there and then find a quarterback figure out that part
Speaker 5: of it. And with Kevin Stefanski, I would say taking
Speaker 5: back over play calling duties, I think is much easier
Speaker 5: to kind of cobble together the offense using the system
Speaker 5: that he's used previously as opposed to the way that
Speaker 5: it was when he had Ken Dorsey and trying to
Speaker 5: do things to fit.
Speaker 1: To Sean Wass, But if the Titans take Abdull Carter,
Speaker 1: the Browns are taking cam Ward, right, I mean, like
Speaker 1: that's that's not going to be the same debate I feel.
Speaker 2: I feel like they would. I feel like I don't
Speaker 2: know that for certain. I don't know where they don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know there's I know there's some people in
Speaker 2: the league who think the Browns are more locked in
Speaker 2: on the second tier quarterbacks than they are on the
Speaker 2: top tier quarterbacks.
Speaker 4: Uh that would be yeah, that would be kind of yeah.
Speaker 1: And that and then that could be them assuming also
Speaker 1: you know that can be one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So I don't.
Speaker 5: I think I think all the theories that and then look,
Speaker 5: it's tough because new general manager for the Tennessee Titans,
Speaker 5: his first draft, his theories are going to be tested
Speaker 5: like best player available versus most impactful position?
Speaker 4: Which one do you odd for?
Speaker 5: Regardless of whether we talk about Abdual Card being a
Speaker 5: generational talent or not. Like in talking to some of
Speaker 5: the people there, they said they desperately need a pass rush,
Speaker 5: like desperately, like you can't compete, but you also Herolanda
Speaker 5: and so you just think about Abdual Carter being the
Speaker 5: best play in the draft, you bypass him.
Speaker 4: I don't know. It's a fascinating discussion.
Speaker 5: That's why I can't wait to draft weekend to see
Speaker 5: how all of this plays out.
Speaker 2: It's a hard it's look, it's a hard top fifty
Speaker 2: to stack up just how you grade the players because
Speaker 2: everybody's graded so similarly. It's hard to even get your
Speaker 2: own opinion on how you like the players. That's hard.
Speaker 2: It's impossible to do a mock draft. It's impossible, man,
Speaker 2: because you just like these guys. If I've got you know, five, six, three,
Speaker 2: sixty four level players on the grading scale at one position, frick,
Speaker 2: I don't know which one of these dudes they like
Speaker 2: better than the other four or five. You know, you
Speaker 2: got guys that are gonna go seven and sometimes they
Speaker 2: might go twenty eight in these things, in these mock drafts,
Speaker 2: it's like impossible trying to put that thing together. But
Speaker 2: it's kind of a weird year. I want to get
Speaker 2: to some of these other questions here. I'll rip through them,
Speaker 2: all right, Rat, you're up on this one. I'll hitch
Speaker 2: you up on this one. Buck, follow it up. Are
Speaker 2: we greater than this sounds crazy compared to years past,
Speaker 2: but are we a greater than fifty percent chance of
Speaker 2: seeing two running backs go in the top ten?
Speaker 3: Greater than fifty percent?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: Top ten? Oh wait, I'm sorry you said top ten?
Speaker 2: No top ten? No, no, no, no, give you my giving
Speaker 2: my first round, and I no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: I think we're for I would pick it to the
Speaker 2: bank we're getting to in the first round. I'm just
Speaker 2: looking where I am right now, and I'm looking at
Speaker 2: the Raiders at six as a potential running back team,
Speaker 2: and I'm sitting there, and I'm looking at Chicago Bears
Speaker 2: at ten as a potential running back team. And I'm
Speaker 2: sitting there and I'm just looking at the grades of
Speaker 2: the players, and I'm like, Okay, let's say gent's gone
Speaker 2: Genty's like my third guy. So now you start looking
Speaker 2: at Omarion Hampton from your from your tar heels buck
Speaker 2: and I'm like, if I'm the Bears, like, Okay, there's
Speaker 2: we've solved it. Well. We like to think we've solved
Speaker 2: the interior offensive line. So I mean edge rusher like, gosh, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's some edge rushers that would be interesting there, but man,
Speaker 2: there's so many of them. I know there's more running
Speaker 2: backs too, but I I think the gap the drop
Speaker 2: off between like Omar and Hampton and maybe what you
Speaker 2: would see the running backs that would be there, because
Speaker 2: I think we'll see a little run before the Bears
Speaker 2: pick again, Whereas I think there's another edgresser that could
Speaker 2: help them. I just to me, I just keep coming
Speaker 2: back to the thought process of Caleb. Caleb, Caleb, Caleb
Speaker 2: cleeb the offseason, free agency, Caleb, the draft. It almost
Speaker 2: feels like this, we gotta get Caleb going. Man, we
Speaker 2: hired the coach, we got the free agent players to
Speaker 2: come in and help them. Let's go get who helps
Speaker 2: him the most. I can't make an argument that somebody
Speaker 2: other than like if Genti or Omar and Hampton are there,
Speaker 2: that that somebody helps him more than those guys do.
Speaker 4: M I was waiting to see if jump in go ahead?
Speaker 1: All all right, yeah, I mean I think you could
Speaker 1: kind of come back to the same similar question with
Speaker 1: the Bears, like you know, when they come back around,
Speaker 1: you know, and they got what two second rounders.
Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken, I got it right here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chicago is they do have two second rounders. They
Speaker 2: have thirty nine and forty one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, again, you could be talking about, you know, Nick
Speaker 1: Gorton again in a spot like that, you know, compared
Speaker 1: to let's say, all right, let's say you take.
Speaker 2: Might you might get I don't know if Judkins is
Speaker 2: there at that time. I just think early second round.
Speaker 2: I think we might see these some of those those
Speaker 2: too Ohio State kids. I don't know if they make
Speaker 2: it there.
Speaker 1: Do you think the third running back does go in
Speaker 1: the first round.
Speaker 2: I think there's a really good chance of that. I
Speaker 2: don't think it's a slam dunk, but I think there's
Speaker 2: a good chance of it. I just think you're going
Speaker 2: to see that running back. It's going to go late
Speaker 2: first early second. You're going to see some of those
Speaker 2: dudes come off.
Speaker 5: So success leaves clues Ben Johnson just left Detroit where
Speaker 5: Detroit took Jamier Gibbs at twelve, and at the time
Speaker 5: everyone was outraged that Jamier Gibbs came off the board
Speaker 5: at twelve. But what he was able to do is
Speaker 5: take a veteran running back in David Montgomery pairing with
Speaker 5: the young running back with Juice, and they had a
Speaker 5: dominant running game that look alleviated a lot of depression
Speaker 5: on Jerry Goff. If we're talking about the best way
Speaker 5: to take Kaylyn Williams and elevate him, why not take
Speaker 5: Deandre's swift Amari and Hampton.
Speaker 4: Put those two in the backfield, let them take.
Speaker 5: Turns, because even if one suffers an injury, you at
Speaker 5: least have another RB one to carry. You don't have
Speaker 5: split backs, meaning a guy's an RB two. To me,
Speaker 5: if I'm the Bears, now that you solved the puzzle
Speaker 5: on the offensive line, man, why not go get a
Speaker 5: legitimate back to really settle the offense down and to
Speaker 5: allow you to kind of play with Ben Johnson is
Speaker 5: used to playing like running the football to set up
Speaker 5: the quarterback to really dominate in the passing game.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's interesting and Omrio Hampton catch the ball too,
Speaker 2: So I mean, like there's there's different levels. I think
Speaker 2: it's an interesting question. Yeah, I guess maybe the better
Speaker 2: way to phrase it, instead of greater than fifty percent chance,
Speaker 2: I should have just phrased it, would you be shocked?
Speaker 2: I would not be shocked if if a Mario and
Speaker 2: Hampton was a tenth pick in the draft, it wouldn't
Speaker 2: shock me at all. So that's why I was getting
Speaker 2: all right, let's let's take a quick break. Come back.
Speaker 2: I got a couple more questions and we'll get to
Speaker 2: some of these draft debates in terms of players r
Speaker 2: after this. All right, let's get to a couple more.
Speaker 2: I've got like three more questions here. Fuck, I'll get
Speaker 2: to you on this one. New England offensive line or
Speaker 2: bust in the first round? I mean, are we kind
Speaker 2: of there? Does that feel like that?
Speaker 5: We got to make sure we protect the king, build
Speaker 5: a fortress up, make sure you have enough protection around
Speaker 5: Drake May so he can grow. You still would like
Speaker 5: to see them have more more weapons, but if he
Speaker 5: is getting beat up, it doesn't matter. You got to
Speaker 5: make sure that you take care of the offense line.
Speaker 5: And let's be honest, Mike Rabel. It just strikes me
Speaker 5: as this is gonna be a meat and potatoes type draft.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be someone that is physical that can kind
Speaker 5: of help him not only like accelerate the culture building,
Speaker 5: but also like stylistically how the page is going on
Speaker 5: to play.
Speaker 4: I think it has to be a line of scrimmage player.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent, like one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: I mean I was I thought that, you know, even
Speaker 1: if this felt like it was too high for Will Campbell,
Speaker 1: now I feel like it might be spot on for
Speaker 1: Membu with the way that we've seen him kind of rise.
Speaker 2: Where I'm leaning with them a little bit, is Membo, Yeah,
Speaker 2: My only thing is gosh, you know, here's a challenge,
Speaker 2: and I guess I'll spin it into this one buck.
Speaker 2: If you're sitting there and because we have two quarterbacks
Speaker 2: that go, if that does happen and you've got Travis
Speaker 2: Hunter sitting there versus those offensive linemen, I think that
Speaker 2: becomes a hard decision.
Speaker 5: It could become a hard decision maybe, but like look,
Speaker 5: I got Christian Zalez.
Speaker 4: I just paid money to get carledon.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about playing him at receiver. Travis Hunter is
Speaker 2: better than any receiver that Drake Mays throwing the ball
Speaker 2: to right now.
Speaker 4: I mean that's true, that is that is true.
Speaker 2: So it's so weird to say he's a weird one
Speaker 2: because your mind goes to defense and I'm sitting here
Speaker 2: going like, wow, you don't even need just he's a
Speaker 2: luxury on defense with the Patriots specifically, I'd be like,
Speaker 2: he's the best receiver on the Well.
Speaker 5: Also, Mike knows that life right, He's been a two
Speaker 5: way player, like he did a little bit of both.
Speaker 5: He called a lot of touchdowns, a lot of touchdowns.
Speaker 4: Man. There's something about watching memboos run around though. Man.
Speaker 5: But I guess it depends on what offensive lineman are
Speaker 5: we talking about taking at the top of the second round,
Speaker 5: Travis Hunter and whom uh are we taking?
Speaker 2: Membo I think you're looking at You're looking at maybe
Speaker 2: a guard Donovan Jackson, you know, potentially that player, you know, but.
Speaker 4: That can work in New England though, like that can
Speaker 4: work honorly.
Speaker 2: Maybe you start getting to that group Josh Simmons I
Speaker 2: think will be gone. So there's no guarantees on that,
Speaker 2: but I mean it's just again you kind of go
Speaker 2: back to that's the debate that we've had many many
Speaker 2: years ago. We saw one guy who just got paid
Speaker 2: as the highest paid receiver in the NFL, who once
Speaker 2: upon a time was Pina sul versus Jamar Chase was
Speaker 2: all we talked about in that draft. And Joe Burrow,
Speaker 2: I'll take the weapon. Yeah, So I don't know, that's
Speaker 2: interesting question. All right, next one? Uh, all right, let's
Speaker 2: get to a rehtt on this one. Yeah, uh Seattle
Speaker 2: is this uh and we can wrap it up on
Speaker 2: this one. But yeah, Seattle, are they into your offensive line?
Speaker 2: You know? Proverbial gun to the head that no choice here?
Speaker 1: I love right there at eighteen. That's the case that
Speaker 1: feels like a massive fit there. That not only helps Sam,
Speaker 1: but I mean, like, I still think we haven't seen
Speaker 1: If Kenneth Walker stays healthy, I think we'll be talking
Speaker 1: about one of the top ten run games in the
Speaker 1: league with especially if they continue to fortify on the interior. Now, look,
Speaker 1: I think the tackles, you know, have been banged up
Speaker 1: a bunch too out there, you know, and.
Speaker 3: So I'd like to see those guys stay healthy.
Speaker 2: I think specifically Lucas.
Speaker 1: Specifically exactly, but I mean, shoot, Zabel helps you any
Speaker 1: of the five.
Speaker 2: I had, I had, I had Zabel just a punch
Speaker 2: to the gut going sixteen to the Cardinals.
Speaker 1: Oh, I wouldn't be shocked if that's a Josh Simmons
Speaker 1: spot too.
Speaker 3: By the way, Yeah, with Seattle, No Arizona.
Speaker 2: Oh oh with Arizona. Interesting. Oh the offensive line coach
Speaker 2: is there right?
Speaker 4: Oh, it's buddy Buddies, Buddies there you go.
Speaker 5: Look, connect connecting, connecting the dots with Sam Donald, Clint Kubiak.
Speaker 5: How they want to run this offense is really important
Speaker 5: that they're solid up front. They need the running game
Speaker 5: because all the competently complimentary play action, those things that
Speaker 5: Sam could work on.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: Look, it's essential to be able to con to.
Speaker 5: Look, move the line of scrimmage and if you can
Speaker 5: move the fenders off the ball, Kenvin Walker King get
Speaker 5: going with other running games, complimented running game that you
Speaker 5: want to use. It allows Sam Donald to not only
Speaker 5: throw those play action passes that he's good on, but
Speaker 5: also come out the back door on the buleg. So yeah,
Speaker 5: let's make sure we're solid up front for John Snyder
Speaker 5: and his crew. You want this to work because you
Speaker 5: want to run the football, and I think interior presence
Speaker 5: is where the Seattle certainly need to focus on. Plenty
Speaker 5: of weapons would be available. You got Cooper Cup, you
Speaker 5: got JSN. That's not the issue. The running game at
Speaker 5: a lot of scrimmage.
Speaker 2: So you got if I told you though, Bucky, You've
Speaker 2: got Banks, who's a tackle who maybe could use inside.
Speaker 2: You've got Simmons who's a tackle who maybe you'd want
Speaker 2: to use inside or maybe just keep him at tackle
Speaker 2: there with what you got, Or I told you that
Speaker 2: Colston Lovelin had fallen down there at pick number eighteen,
Speaker 2: I just that's where I just, I mean, I want
Speaker 2: to build the trenches. But I have such a higher
Speaker 2: grade on Colston leveland as a football player, I don't
Speaker 2: know if I i'd be like, hey, Sam, we got you.
Speaker 2: Somebody can get open quick. We need you to go ahead,
Speaker 2: get that thing out now, let's get that thing out
Speaker 2: of your hands.
Speaker 5: I mean, he's he's a really good player. I just
Speaker 5: have him with a lightning boat on the side.
Speaker 4: I got you. I just think he'd be such a good.
Speaker 2: I didn't have him getting I didn't have him getting
Speaker 2: that far. I don't think that would be.
Speaker 3: The Dolphins at thirteen for the tight end.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, no, that's that's an interesting one. You know,
Speaker 2: who I ended up and again we'll just kind of
Speaker 2: have it riffing here, but who I ended up giving
Speaker 2: to the Dolphins is someone that the longer we go
Speaker 2: through the process, the more I appreciate Buck. Do you
Speaker 2: ever have players like that, like you kind of give
Speaker 2: him the grade? Oh, and then you go through the
Speaker 2: process and it's not like you're it's not like I
Speaker 2: don't even feel bad about But like Malachi Starks, I
Speaker 2: think I went in with the expectation because he had
Speaker 2: such a big reputation and then I just didn't see
Speaker 2: quite the playmaking that I wanted to see this year
Speaker 2: off the tape, and for whatever reason the Clemson game
Speaker 2: kind of he flashed like whoa, this keeps up, man,
Speaker 2: this is a top ten player. And then but gosh,
Speaker 2: I just I know, the forty was okay, the workout
Speaker 2: numbers like threekin on all that stuff wasn't great. But
Speaker 2: just watching him go through the drills, he was like
Speaker 2: the fastest in every single drill. He just looked the
Speaker 2: way he moved it gave me and I know he
Speaker 2: didn't make anywhere near the places that ed Reid makes,
Speaker 2: but just watching him move and body control and things
Speaker 2: like that, he gave me some Ed Reid vibes. And
Speaker 2: then when I hear from team after team after team
Speaker 2: that his interviews were off the charts, like the football intelligence,
Speaker 2: the leadership, the communication, which is huge at that position.
Speaker 2: I'm like, this guy ain't missing man somebody in a
Speaker 2: draft with so many kind of uncertainties. That's why I
Speaker 2: thought he's going to go in the top fifteen, just
Speaker 2: because he's too clean of a person as well of
Speaker 2: a player.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think this is where the beauty pageant gets
Speaker 5: everything kind of muddied, right, because we're always looking for
Speaker 5: the superhero that can leap tall buildings in the single bound.
Speaker 5: But don't forget man, it's about the ball. And when
Speaker 5: you look at Malakoi Starks, particularly not last year, but
Speaker 5: the year before, he's all over the place and not
Speaker 5: the same player, but kind of the same conversation with
Speaker 5: Kyle Hamilton. When you look at Cal Hamilton and you
Speaker 5: just knew he's a really good football player, but the
Speaker 5: other stuff didn't work out for him, so he falls
Speaker 5: to Baltimore and becomes the player that we thought that
Speaker 5: he would be in the league. To me, I get
Speaker 5: that sense with Malakin Starks. The problem is the guy
Speaker 5: that is at his position South Carolina kid is a
Speaker 5: super hero.
Speaker 4: With also balder skills.
Speaker 3: Does that kick us off with a couple of this
Speaker 3: or that's here each?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I'll give you the floor because we talked
Speaker 2: about this and we each kind of go through. BUTTT,
Speaker 2: why don't you lead us off and then Buck, you
Speaker 2: get a second to get your thoughts on this one.
Speaker 2: Then I'll go a second. But the struggle that you
Speaker 2: might be having at a certain position, this player versus
Speaker 2: that player. Go ahead, RTT, what do you got our dj?
Speaker 3: I' mecha a Buka versus Matthew Golden.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good one. It's a good one. I
Speaker 2: mean I have him, I have him touching each other,
Speaker 2: I think right, I have I have him fifteen in uh,
Speaker 2: fifteen and seventeen.
Speaker 1: So me, the resume speaks louder for a buka. The
Speaker 1: length of the resume, the volume of the resume. And
Speaker 1: now we're going to see, you know, when Ohio State
Speaker 1: goes through a pro day, We're gonna see.
Speaker 3: What the numbers are for a buka.
Speaker 1: But I imagine it's They're going to impress us in
Speaker 1: the way that Chris Olave and UH and Garrett Wilson
Speaker 1: did when they came out, and maybe a little bit
Speaker 1: faster than people think he is. So I just think
Speaker 1: he's such a polished professional at this point that like
Speaker 1: that dude's going to come right in. And not to
Speaker 1: say that Golden can't be that, but to me that like,
Speaker 1: I feel a little bit more comfortable with a Buka.
Speaker 3: That's the way I would turn it.
Speaker 2: And how would you have that one? Buck?
Speaker 4: Man, That's a good one. It's so funny.
Speaker 5: I spent all of the fall just loving Abuka and
Speaker 5: then of late, not only the combine stuff, but Matthew Golden.
Speaker 5: When you go back and look at the tape, you
Speaker 5: just wonder, Man, what was I missing When you look
Speaker 5: at him. He's such a clean route runner, He's so
Speaker 5: spectacularly with the ball in his hands, and he does
Speaker 5: have that juice.
Speaker 4: I'm leaning towards Matthew Golden over top.
Speaker 5: And I know Ohio State has just produced receiver after
Speaker 5: receiver aster receiver after receiver receiver, but I don't know, Man,
Speaker 5: the Texas kid got something to him that just kind
Speaker 5: of kind of pop for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I look at the fact a couple of different
Speaker 2: things where I would go with Golden. I mean, just
Speaker 2: first of all, just pure juice. He's just got more
Speaker 2: juice Buka Is. I think, what ten pounds heavier, so
Speaker 2: and he's strong, but Golden plays strong, plays strong through
Speaker 2: the ball. They're both I love the fact that they
Speaker 2: both get their feet in the ground, their grounded through
Speaker 2: the catch. They're just real. They played strong for their size.
Speaker 2: I just think you get a little more juice with Golden.
Speaker 2: And I come back to two things with Golden. One
Speaker 2: is he moves up a level basically, right, you know,
Speaker 2: you go from Houston and then you go to the
Speaker 2: biggest stage there is with Texas, and he's much better
Speaker 2: at Texas than even was at Houston. And then in
Speaker 2: the biggest games, in the biggest moments, i e. Season
Speaker 2: on the line, fourth down against Arizona State, whereas Steve
Speaker 2: Sarkisan's got a lot of options in that offense and
Speaker 2: he's running it through Matthew Golden, he was making plays
Speaker 2: and save their season. So I've got kind of that
Speaker 2: clutch factor. And then you just kind of go through
Speaker 2: the spring and I'm like I've seen him. I mean,
Speaker 2: I just got a chance to see him, you know,
Speaker 2: at the combine and saw that speed, which is which
Speaker 2: is real. So and you also have some kickoff return
Speaker 2: stuff too. If you want to mess with that, he's
Speaker 2: he's he can take it to the house on that.
Speaker 2: But that's a good one. That's a great example of
Speaker 2: kind of this one versus of that one. I've got
Speaker 2: one for you on Buck. I'll hit you on this one.
Speaker 2: And it's not that this is again when you're doing these,
Speaker 2: it's not we're not just talking about the you know,
Speaker 2: the top ten, top fifteen players, just like the ones
Speaker 2: that you struggle with. For me, it's that's a safety
Speaker 2: position in that next tier behind those top two guys.
Speaker 2: So to me for the third safety, when I look
Speaker 2: at Xavier Watts from Notre Dame with all of his
Speaker 2: production and Jalen Reed from Penn State, they're almost identical
Speaker 2: in size five to one, one five two eleven for Reid,
Speaker 2: five one one six two oh four for Watts. Reid
Speaker 2: ran a four four to nine. So with Reed, you know,
Speaker 2: I just I think he plays fast. I love his
Speaker 2: physicality as a blitzer. He still had you know, he
Speaker 2: got production, had three picks, So it's not he hasn't
Speaker 2: done anything in the production department. He just twitched up
Speaker 2: and plays kind of hair on fire. And then with Watts,
Speaker 2: you've got the incredible production, like unbelievable ball production. But
Speaker 2: some of it is kind of ball finds him, you know,
Speaker 2: like the you know, it's not necessarily him always making
Speaker 2: plays on the ball. The ball kind of gets them.
Speaker 2: I think sometimes we underestimate that that those guys. The
Speaker 2: ball finds him in college, it tends to find him
Speaker 2: in the NFL as well. I didn't think he moved
Speaker 2: quite as good. We haven't seen him run yet, so
Speaker 2: I'm curious to see him run when you get that process.
Speaker 2: But man, it's hard to ignore the production. So that's
Speaker 2: the third safety for me. Back is a good debate.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the third stage is a good debate.
Speaker 5: Now, Xavier, watch the IQ the awareness, and you talked
Speaker 5: about just the ball finding him. To me, I'm just
Speaker 5: a believer that some of those plays are made because
Speaker 5: the guy says traps that he understands where the ball
Speaker 5: is going and he just finds a way to kind
Speaker 5: of maneuver and get himself to that spot.
Speaker 4: It's a good one.
Speaker 5: I still lean towards to Notre Dame kid like watch
Speaker 5: to me is kind of like that safety that I
Speaker 5: love having. Maybe it's the ball production that I can't erase.
Speaker 5: Really good player, both guys are really good players.
Speaker 3: Though I really liked I really like Xavier Watts.
Speaker 1: I just you know, the thing that strikes me is
Speaker 1: that that dude doesn't miss a whole lot like in
Speaker 1: the open field man on some of those like some
Speaker 1: of those you know, get some of those quick screens up.
Speaker 1: I remember watching that USC game just thinking that that
Speaker 1: dude just bringing everybody he touches, is getting to.
Speaker 3: The ground like he's not missing on guys, And.
Speaker 1: I just I think that is a very valuable commodity
Speaker 1: in the league right now, especially with the way that
Speaker 1: we see those kind of quick kitters, you know, trying
Speaker 1: to get yards.
Speaker 3: So I would lean slightly towards Wats.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's uh, it's an excellent debate. I
Speaker 2: have Wats. I have an exact game both sixty two,
Speaker 2: so I have the same exact great on these guys.
Speaker 2: I want to see if I can pull up the
Speaker 2: tackle thing because now you got me, uh, you got
Speaker 2: me thinking they're RT. So I want to.
Speaker 3: Twenty.
Speaker 1: It was I think I got I want to say,
Speaker 1: you had like eight miss tackles in a run game
Speaker 1: on the year.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm pull it up right now here too, so
Speaker 2: I can pull up. I just wanted to compare the
Speaker 2: the tackling stuff with those two guys. Yeah, let's go
Speaker 2: to miss tackles. Yeah, Jalen Reid had sad eight. He
Speaker 2: had eight miss tackles and guess what David Watts eight
Speaker 2: miss tackles. Jalen Reid had twenty run stops, Xavier Watts
Speaker 2: had seventeen. Okay, I mean like that's what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: that's night.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The guys are very close as players, so that could
Speaker 2: be as you know what that could be as simple
Speaker 2: as that could be, as simple as you bring them
Speaker 2: both into your building, you let your coaches visit with them,
Speaker 2: and who do you want to coach?
Speaker 3: Put them back to back, right, just like we do
Speaker 3: what we say one of the value.
Speaker 2: I don't people realize that because everybody thinks it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's just this tape and this stat and this and
Speaker 2: this you pro day, I'm like, you know what it is.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you bring him in the coach because I just
Speaker 2: like this kid. I like this kid better than that
Speaker 2: kid I want. If I'm gonna have him in my room,
Speaker 2: I'd rather have this kid. And we are never going
Speaker 2: to know.
Speaker 3: That I got.
Speaker 1: I got two more rapid firewoods, if you guys are
Speaker 1: are ready them off Darius Alexander versus Josh Farmer. Now,
Speaker 1: Now tackles are tougher because, like there's differences.
Speaker 3: In style stylistically, right, but in terms of.
Speaker 2: Like both older I believe too, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit Alexander and Farmer, both guys we
Speaker 1: sought the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 3: Farmer feels like.
Speaker 2: He thought Farmer had a better overall week there, you know,
Speaker 2: just in terms of the consistency, whereas Alexander flashed well.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what I feel like, is what
Speaker 1: you're buying with Alexander, Like you're buying a little bit
Speaker 1: more pizaz than you are with Farmer, who's got a
Speaker 1: little bit more of like the bulk, maybe not as
Speaker 1: much of the twitchiness that Alexander does, maybe is a
Speaker 1: little bit less, Like Alexander's got a little bit more
Speaker 1: freaky athleticism.
Speaker 4: To me, he is, he is a freak show on
Speaker 4: the inside.
Speaker 5: When you just see a man dead's size move the
Speaker 5: way that he moves, the way he's able to create
Speaker 5: chaos on the inside. He's so good with his hands,
Speaker 5: and the way his hands and feet are tied together
Speaker 5: as a rusher, to me is super impressive for an
Speaker 5: interior guy.
Speaker 4: You just don't see guys with his sides kind of
Speaker 4: moving around like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had I had Farmer six spots over Alexander,
Speaker 2: but I would say that is more than likely going
Speaker 2: to flip one once we get down the home stretch
Speaker 2: here and more of the reasons that kind of you
Speaker 2: mentioned there, just kind of the length, the athleticism. You
Speaker 2: get a little bit more with Alexander, And it's weird
Speaker 2: to say as somebody, I think it's twenty five years
Speaker 2: old that you're kind of but he's gotten better every year,
Speaker 2: like he's just continued to get better. So I would
Speaker 2: probably lean towards Alexander on that one. At this point
Speaker 2: in time. What's the last one?
Speaker 1: Last one I got is Landon Jackson versus jack Sawyer.
Speaker 2: Jackson at this point in time, Atlanta Jackson, Ace the
Speaker 2: Senior Bowl game, he was phenomenal. Then he goes to
Speaker 2: the Combine and Ace the combine. Yah. So, and the
Speaker 2: other thing is when I was going back through and
Speaker 2: I'm gonna, you know, one of the ones that I
Speaker 2: would don't we won't have to do it here. But
Speaker 2: like we've kind of already talked about Membo, you know,
Speaker 2: potentially having leap frogged Will Campbell right as the top
Speaker 2: offensive linemon. Golly man, it's the Arkansas game for Will
Speaker 2: Campbell's a tough one and Lanta Jackson he ate his
Speaker 2: lunch and the game.
Speaker 1: I mean's Max Crosby, you know, it's like that that
Speaker 1: that effort.
Speaker 2: And it doesn't he just doesn't then quite like Crosby,
Speaker 2: but he is so long.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I also like the fact I think he was l
Speaker 2: s U first right too injurance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, came in with an injury.
Speaker 2: And then that's.
Speaker 4: That's what.
Speaker 2: Anyone that you come up with.
Speaker 5: Oh no, No, the one that I've had is the one
Speaker 5: that we were about to get into. When it talks
Speaker 5: about the Ohio State running backs, like I'm still having
Speaker 5: a talk flipped them twice, all right, I mean between
Speaker 5: Henderson and Jakins, like trying to figure out who and
Speaker 5: what and then you're trying to you're trying to look
Speaker 5: at the tape and and figure out like, well, why
Speaker 5: does this guy get the ball at this moment, but
Speaker 5: then the next game the other guy gets it at
Speaker 5: the same identical moment. In a situation, it's like the
Speaker 5: coaches didn't give me clues as to which one they
Speaker 5: felt like was the one they need to hang their
Speaker 5: hat on.
Speaker 4: Man, really good players. Both are explosive and dynamic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kins ran a little faster than I thought he would,
Speaker 2: and you know, he's heavier to me, heavier, and he
Speaker 2: ran really well and he's the closer. But then Henderson,
Speaker 2: you get you. He hits a lot of home runs.
Speaker 4: A lot of home runs.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm saying that is a tough one. I've
Speaker 2: had him. I'll probably switch it a million times and
Speaker 2: when yeah, by the time we finish up there, you
Speaker 2: know what. You know what. It reminded me of like
Speaker 2: one of the all time debates that I had where
Speaker 2: I went back and forth on it, which is kind
Speaker 2: of funny now when you think about it, But it
Speaker 2: was Hooker, right and Jamal Adams.
Speaker 1: When they had seem Yeah, it was like he ended
Speaker 1: up going what like three and fifteen or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for Hooker, Yeah, yeah, Adams was way up there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you had Adams who was at the line of
Speaker 2: scrimmage and the blitzer, and and then you had Hooker
Speaker 2: who was at all that ball production back now, to
Speaker 2: be honest with you, I mean, and Adams had some
Speaker 2: good early years, but like and Hooker still going on. Still, yes,
Speaker 2: he's had a long career. But I would say neither
Speaker 2: one of them, like from the impact we thought we
Speaker 2: were going to get with those guys, neither one of
Speaker 2: them really can.
Speaker 5: Because I think I think Jamal was six, MALIEK. Cooker
Speaker 5: was Was he fourteen?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I won't say fifteen of the colts, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's in that range. And we're like, why what's taking
Speaker 1: Why is Malie Cooker lasted so long? I remember that
Speaker 1: being one of the conversations.
Speaker 4: That basketball player natural instincts.
Speaker 5: He was making all the plays all over the field
Speaker 5: in terms of ball production.
Speaker 4: And then we.
Speaker 3: Talked about him up there in like the top five
Speaker 3: overall players.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, all right, how about this? Would you
Speaker 2: I would have never guessed this. I don't know why
Speaker 2: I haven't paid attention to those two guys. What would
Speaker 2: you give me your guests without looking without cheating. Career
Speaker 2: interceptions Malik Hooker versus Jamal Adams.
Speaker 4: I would say Malik Hooker probably has here's the boys.
Speaker 4: I want to say twenty. Can we get to twenty?
Speaker 4: Can we get to twenty interceptions? Oh?
Speaker 2: No, Mali Cooker has fourteen? Fourteen interceptions? Still okay, it's
Speaker 2: pretty good. Fourteen, Okay? Jamal Adams has four.
Speaker 4: Four I knew, I knew his less than whatever his
Speaker 4: team was, you know.
Speaker 2: Like I'm still getting I had Molly Cooker in that one.
Speaker 2: I thought I had lost that one.
Speaker 5: Like Jamalson was ended up being when Greg Williams made
Speaker 5: him a pseudo linebacker in sack production, and then he
Speaker 5: carried it on to Seattle and then the injuries and
Speaker 5: then he couldn't acknowledge what he is and that's why
Speaker 5: he said, issue.
Speaker 2: You want to know what's crazy? So in Seattle he
Speaker 2: had nine and a half sacks, right, think about this
Speaker 2: is how weird the league is and injuries. I obviously
Speaker 2: play a partner. So he's an All Pro, second team
Speaker 2: All Pro Pro bowler nine and a half sacks in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, and he at that point he's twenty five
Speaker 2: years old. Do you know how many sacks he had
Speaker 2: after that?
Speaker 4: Probably one?
Speaker 2: Right, I have zero?
Speaker 3: How many one?
Speaker 1: So the has traded more first round picks for Jamal
Speaker 1: Adams then sacks that he had to get him out
Speaker 1: of New York?
Speaker 2: Is that right? Well, his the nine and a half
Speaker 2: sack year was.
Speaker 3: That was the first year that was New York. That
Speaker 3: was that was in New York. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So Seattle traded.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, he had six and a half. He
Speaker 2: had six and a half with the Jets, and then
Speaker 2: his first year in Seattle he had nine and a half.
Speaker 3: Okay, so it paid off for a little bit for
Speaker 3: his first year.
Speaker 2: That's that first year he's a Pro bowler, second team
Speaker 2: All Pro, nine and a half sacks and then from
Speaker 2: that point on he did not have a single sack
Speaker 2: and did not let me see, where's interceptions? And then
Speaker 2: he had he had two interceptions after that after the
Speaker 2: age of twenty five, No sacks, two picks. Man injuries
Speaker 2: I think had yeah, yeah, a big part of that.
Speaker 2: But well, I did not think we were going to
Speaker 2: do the Molie Cooker. Jamal Adams, do you want to
Speaker 2: do golf versus Wentz? Yeah, gosh, that's a tough loss
Speaker 2: for me on that one. Bucky was Bucky was team
Speaker 2: Golf or he got me. He got me good on
Speaker 2: that one.
Speaker 3: Well, it wasn't what I mean. Look that one's had
Speaker 3: some ups now, okay.
Speaker 2: One Buck had a couple of big wins early the
Speaker 2: early path to the draft years. That's what it was.
Speaker 2: It was like this guy versus that guy. I lost.
Speaker 2: I lost the Vic bass I think you might have won,
Speaker 2: Vic Beasley, because I don't even remember who I have.
Speaker 2: I don't think you did anything.
Speaker 4: It was not. It was not a Fowler, I think right,
Speaker 4: Oh it was.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was. He's still play. I can't. It was
Speaker 2: a good comeback for me. It was a good early
Speaker 2: on was not looking good for me.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 1: That was the Seahawks, by the way, just two first
Speaker 1: rounders in a third for Jamal Adams.
Speaker 2: I know that was a heist.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 5: I thought I thought he was going to be peace
Speaker 5: version of Troy Pola up there.
Speaker 4: I thought he was gonna play.
Speaker 5: I thought he was gonna play down in the line
Speaker 5: of scrimmers like Troy did, ed sc and make a
Speaker 5: ton of plays.
Speaker 4: And he did that first.
Speaker 2: Year and then that was it. Yeah, not great. You
Speaker 2: know what's going to be funny is all the debates.
Speaker 2: You know, we're talking about that twenty twenty one draft.
Speaker 2: Think about then, Buck, you kind of mentioned it about
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks, but like how much time we spent on
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Fields, mac Jones, Like we
Speaker 2: knew Trevor was gonna go number one with that whole
Speaker 2: draft process, was talking about those four of those four.
Speaker 1: Others, they're all they're all on your third team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at least the third right, Yeah, Well, I assume we'll
Speaker 1: get somewhere.
Speaker 5: So here's here. And I know we do a lot
Speaker 5: of the quarterback discussion for TV. Let's try and make
Speaker 5: sure we talk about the best players, so we at
Speaker 5: least have some of that. We have to talk about
Speaker 5: the quarterback because everyone loves the quarterbacks, but let's talk
Speaker 5: about the best players.
Speaker 3: Are the producers listening. Are the producers listening to the show?
Speaker 2: I'd like to hear it like you'll hear it like
Speaker 2: with uh, you'll hear it with the analysts when you're
Speaker 2: watching all the different networks about like how do you
Speaker 2: not take it? You don't have one, you have to
Speaker 2: take one and I'm like, notarily not in the first round.
Speaker 2: If you don't love them, just take one that you
Speaker 2: take another player you love and take your swing on
Speaker 2: the year of.
Speaker 3: The second round.
Speaker 2: Quarterback right here, let's go and then you know what
Speaker 2: inevitably happens, and everybody starts. It's like poker, you know,
Speaker 2: everybody starts around the Wait, they haven't gone yet.
Speaker 3: Let's hold off.
Speaker 2: Let's just yeah, yeah, nobody needs to raise the pot here.
Speaker 2: Nobody needs to raise the pot. Let's just chan their
Speaker 2: card free. Look here. That's what it is, all right.
Speaker 2: Anything else you guys want to get into before we
Speaker 2: get out here. This was fun to be back together again.
Speaker 3: Man, Yeah, I enjoyed it. Enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: I like, I like playing the this or that. So
Speaker 1: I think there's there's a million more we could get
Speaker 1: to and we should probably do some semblance of that
Speaker 1: here for the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: I gave you guys one story as we as we
Speaker 2: head out, you guys knew I was gone last week.
Speaker 2: I was in Hawaii and uh, celebrate my anniversary. And
Speaker 2: we're we're walking back my wife when I went out
Speaker 2: to dinner. We're walking back through a different hotel than
Speaker 2: the one we were at. And we're looking around and
Speaker 2: I go, I go, oh, oh, babe, these are there's
Speaker 2: these are NFL players. I just look around, so there's
Speaker 2: a lot of NFL players here, like, how do you know?
Speaker 2: How do you know? I'm like, I just I'm body typing.
Speaker 2: He's like, you can't you can't know that their NFL players.
Speaker 2: I'm all, yeah, look at the I just look at
Speaker 2: the look at the bodies and look at the watch,
Speaker 2: like the combination of the body with the watch the
Speaker 2: NFL players. And she's like, you don't know that. I
Speaker 2: kid you not. Within sixty seconds of her saying you
Speaker 2: can't know that, Harrison Harrison Phillips from Dirty Harry in
Speaker 2: the Minnesota.
Speaker 3: Like, DJ, what's up.
Speaker 2: I'm like, Harrison, what are you doing over? Harrison? We
Speaker 2: start talking the NFL pay that is. It was literally
Speaker 2: all of these guys walking around there. So it was
Speaker 2: it was great to catch up with him. What a
Speaker 2: good dude, man. So but it was, uh, it was funny.
Speaker 2: Come on, like Buck, we never we can't turn body
Speaker 2: typing off. Stops at the mall, You'll see somebody like
Speaker 2: I know he's somebody I don't know who he is,
Speaker 2: but I know he's somebody anyways. All Right, that's gonna
Speaker 2: do it for us today. Appreciate you guys hanging with us.
Speaker 2: We'll see you next time. We got coming to you
Speaker 2: from the Big twelve Pro Days in Dallas. Yeah, coming
Speaker 2: your way, so be on the look out for that.
Speaker 2: Until then, we appreciate you and hope you have a
Speaker 2: wonderful week.
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