WEBVTT - Bengals' Throwback Strategy, NFL Draft Scenarios, This or That! 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:06.240 And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:10.879 What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:14.280 and Rhett with you as we uh, as we inch 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:16.239 a little closer, not only to the draft of Hey, boys, 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:19.360 it's Big twelve Combine week. Let's go heading out to Dallas. 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:21.959 I smell a dinner coming our way tomorrow as we 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:23.680 get ready for the Big two combine. 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:26.520 Let's let's go. We got this. This is the year 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:30.040 two of this. This event fired up to uh to 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:31.680 get a you know, another look at some players. 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:34.120 Man never passed down an opportunity to evaluate. 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:36.239 Yeah, we're gonna have a chance to uh, not only 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:37.559 see all those guys, we're gonna talk to all those 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:39.599 head coaches too during the week. So looking forward to that. 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:42.080 We got three hours of coverage. Rhtt you're on that right. 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:45.720 Yeah, we talked to by the way, coach Sadderfield today, 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:48.360 your year old pal over and a it's got a 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:51.280 think about a close to a dozen Cincinnati players that'll 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:51.880 be taking part. 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:54.480 So I'm excited to see some of those guys. 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:57.120 Give some a couple of nuggets on on those guys 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:58.960 and that look that's That's ultimately what we're trying to 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:00.360 do here as well, is you know, get to know 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:02.320 some of these guys and let those of you tune 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:06.080 in on Wednesday and Thursday once we're down there in Dallas, 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:07.920 get a chance to better know some of these players. 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:09.479 They're going to end up on your favorite teams. That's 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:10.120 what it's all about. 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:13.640 Look forward to it. All right, let's get things cranking here. 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:15.560 It's time for the lead block, presented by Team Mobile 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:17.560 for Business. Football needs a network willing to go the 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:19.760 extra yard, and so do you go further with Team 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:23.360 Mobile four Business. We had a new contract come down, Buck, 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:24.840 and I wanted to get to you on this one. 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:27.600 So when you have Derek Stingley getting a new deal 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:29.600 putting him at the top of the corner market, I 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:31.880 want to go back to that draft class, right. So 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:35.360 this is twenty twenty one the NFL Draft. These are 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:38.600 I'll give you the top thirteen picks here, Trevor Lawrence, 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:42.880 Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Kyle Pitts, Jamar Chase, Jalen Wattle, 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:47.880 Piney Sewell, j C. Horn, Patrick Sir Tandavonte Smith, Justin Fields, 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:51.600 Micah Parsons Rashaan Slater from that group, we've already seen 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:54.840 now Trevor Lawrence has got paid. We've seen Jamar Chase, 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:57.600 We've seen Wattle, we've seen Sewell, We've seen Horn, We've 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:01.160 seen Sir Tan, We've seen DeVante Smith, and yet to come. 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:04.120 I would imagine we're going to see eventually the Micah Parsons, 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:09.040 Rashn Slater, Elijah Verk Tucker. I would guess probably gets done. 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:11.600 I mean, that is a lot of dudes sticking and 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:14.160 getting big deals on second contracts. That turned out to 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:15.080 be a heck of a draft. 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:17.200 It did turn out to be ahead of a draft. 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:19.000 And it's interesting that most of the guys that we 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:22.320 were talking about are your non quarterbacks, you guys that 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:24.400 are your traditional position players. 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:27.280 And how we were able to look. 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:30.280 I would say some teams avoided the temptation of getting 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:32.760 a quarterback and focused on taking the best player available, 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:35.359 and those guys have turned out to be I would 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:39.160 say even better than expected. And Derek Stanley signing his deal, 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:42.600 I just remember looking at the tape and you had 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:43.200 to lean on. 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:44.920 A lot of the earlier years. 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:47.720 Yeah, he didn't play much last year as opposed to 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:50.960 the last the last season, but it's look, there's a 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:54.400 lesson and that for scouts, it's the entire body of work. 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:57.000 It's not the final season. You gotta look at it all. 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:58.920 And he was helped by the fact that we were 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:01.079 able to look at the one on one tapes him 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:03.400 against Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase. 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:05.600 That certainly played a part in him being drafted. 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:07.600 He was drafted. That was my coup that year. That 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:10.839 was my coup that year. If getting the practice tapes. 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:13.960 Nice, Yeah, you had to have it. I had to 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:14.280 have it. 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:14.600 Hey. 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:17.160 By the way, Jalen Phillips also got paid on a 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:21.240 second contract. Who is down there in the fifty eighteen 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:25.600 overall and Greg Russou at thirty also got a second 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:27.440 deal from the same team. 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:29.679 So good draft, class man, and there's more to come. 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:32.679 Technically, Reshot Bateman got another deal too. It wasn't like 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:36.320 a massive one, but it was an extension. Yet Darisa 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:37.080 got out of him. 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:39.960 It pays to get out ahead. DEARRISA is a great player. Yeah, 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:43.040 I mean yeah, I think you get those done early. Man. 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:45.080 I every now and then you're gonna be wrong. You're 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:47.120 gonna gamble and be a little bit wrong, but man, 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:49.440 the price they do not go down when you've got 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:50.520 good players. 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:52.920 It never goes down, and it's going up by the week. 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:56.680 I mean the city, I think J. C. Horns has 0:03:56.760 --> 0:04:02.080 his due and you look up de extintly says the 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:06.120 new ceiling for the position. We're finally. The funny thing 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:09.760 is what used to be quarterback money, We're now seeing 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:13.760 guys ascend into that that range. For a long time, 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:16.800 twenty million was kind of like that forbidden ground. Now 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:20.080 we're seeing that thirty million is kind of like the 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:23.240 new ray for your marquee players at your traditional positions. 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:28.719 It's just interesting. You better to pay them earlier rather 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:30.880 than wait, because it it doesn't go down. 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:33.559 Just on, just on that subject here real quick, because 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:36.719 obviously the T. Higgins and the Jamar Chase came up 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:39.560 here and I will probably get to it here in 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:40.200 a second ditch. 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:43.080 But like I mean, this is if I've. 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:45.400 Ever seen somebody trying to recreate the two thousand and 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:48.120 seven Indianapolis Colts. I mean, it's like, you go back 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:50.680 and look at it. Marvin Harrison, Peyton Manning, Dwight Freeny, 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:52.479 and Reggie Wayne with the top four cap hits on 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:54.760 that team. They went on to win a Super Bowl, right, 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:58.480 And so I mean like Marvin Harrison thirty five years 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:01.719 old making twelve the highest highest cap hit on that 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:04.919 whole on that team in O seven. It's kind of 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:08.080 interesting the way that they've strategized similarly that way. 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:10.000 Well, look, I think I think it was more interesting. 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:13.200 I think they have the same representation they do they do. Yeah, 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:15.760 I think they did a mic and mic deal. Hey, 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:18.919 you can't tell me about one without me the others, 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:23.000 and so we're we're package. I think DJ you talked 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:24.960 about on Rosie's podcast, the tandem bike. 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:28.159 Yeah, the tandon bike you wanted. You get all like, 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:30.480 we're both going over, not going at all. 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:33.080 That's what I told Rosenthal is. I was like, he 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:35.440 and we're going to get to this free agency stuff 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:37.159 and where we go with the draft here in a minute. 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:39.920 But he was like, I don't know. The Bengals defense stinks. 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:42.280 They haven't signed anybody. I'm like, hey, man, when you're 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:45.240 a kid and you have an allowance and you're saving 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:47.560 up and you want a bike, but you go to 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:49.240 the toy store and you go, mom, I want a 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:51.920 video game, but you can use your allowance, but you 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:54.240 ain't never getting that bike you go shopping for the video. 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:58.120 I'm like they went, they saved up all their money, 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:00.160 didn't spend any of it free agency, and they went 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:02.440 and spent on those two shiny new bikes that they got. 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:04.200 Maybe have a chance to get a third bike here 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:07.880 with Hendrickson, but yeah, but that's gonna you know, let's 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:09.280 wrap this top part because I want to get to 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:11.120 this next part of the discussion here. That's a wrap 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:12.880 for the Lead Black presented by Team Mobile for Business. 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:14.719 Football needs a network willing to go the extra yard. 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.600 So do you go further with Team Mobile four Business? 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:22.040 So Buck, I've put together some questions, some draft related 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:24.560 questions I was thinking about. I told give RTT a 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:26.520 little notice on this one, but I like getting the 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:30.120 raw reactions. So this is like some of the takeaways 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:31.839 that I have as to where we are now. And 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:33.240 this one was not at the top of the list, 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:35.080 but just coming off that conversation, I'm going to move 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:38.039 it to the top of the list. Cincinnati now, you know, 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.480 with what they're doing and because they couldn't be real 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:43.840 active in free agency because they want to take care 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:45.880 of these guys My question is when you look at 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:49.799 them defensively last year, twenty fifth points per game, twenty 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:53.159 fifth tied for twenty fifth, and sacks as well, terrible 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:55.279 on the defensive side of the ball. So my question is, 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:57.440 you guys can both hit it. Buck Euro up first. 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:00.240 Is this an all defense draft? We've seen team do 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:02.279 a draft on one side of the ball. Is this 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:04.719 we got to solve all of our problems on defense 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:07.159 in the draft, and we got to scout them and 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:08.920 we got to develop them once they get here. 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:10.600 Yes, I think so. 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:13.280 And I think Trey Henderson if they're able to sign 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.280 him back, it makes perfect sense. Red brought up the 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:19.400 Indianapolis coast and how that was how they constructed their 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:22.560 team to be a Super Bowl champion. The Cincinnati Bengals 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:25.240 might have tipped their hand when they hired Al Golden 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:29.400 from Notre Dame. Al Golden just spent a couple of 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:32.880 years dealing with some eighteen to twenty two year olds, 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:34.920 getting them up to speed, getting them to play defense 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:38.560 at a high level. So the teaching and schematics and 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:41.600 all that, he certainly understands how to get that age 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:42.600 group ready to play. 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:44.400 If you're the Cincinnati Bengals. 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:46.680 Let's be real, the only reason why they didn't go 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:48.880 to the playoffs a season ago is like they got 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:51.160 off to the slow start. If they can figure out 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:55.000 how to start faster, whatever their issues are on defense, 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:57.880 that offense can light it up. And I think what 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:00.840 you do now is you coach your team differently. Thirty 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:03.200 points has to be the magic number. Every week. You 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:05.880 put the pressure on Joe Burrow and those guys on 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:06.520 the outside. 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:07.640 We got to get to thirty. 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:11.440 Then defensively, we're just trying to like not let the 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:14.360 big play go and find a way to rush the passes. 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:16.960 To me, they are a carbon copy of what the 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:19.640 Colts were able to do to be a top team 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:20.920 in the AFC for a decade. 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:27.160 Yeah, I mean I think I'm I would agree with 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:29.720 you on that front. And so you know, I'm kind 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:32.520 of interested to see where this thing goes as we 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:35.160 as we kind of look, you know, forward to where 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:37.520 the Bengals are, you know, looking at what they're where 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:40.880 they sit right now, where we got them at Where 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:44.360 did I seventeen? They picked seven seventeen, that's right, seventeen 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:48.000 A ton of picks, right, but they always. 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:50.760 Have their picking their round man since Anti Angles where 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:52.880 it is at the same dinner every night when it 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:53.319 comes back. 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:54.720 Yep. 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:58.640 Yeah, So you know, I think I think you could 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:00.600 find I mean, you're gonna get you can find one 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:02.240 of the best, you know, one of those d linemen, 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:04.120 whether that's an edge guy, whether it's one of the 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:05.800 interior guys, You're gonna have a have. 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:08.800 An opportunity there. Yeah. 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:10.720 I think this is an opportunity for the Bengals to 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:12.800 get a lot better on defense in this draft. 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:16.000 Yeah, spoiler, I got a mock draft coming out tomorrow, 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:18.000 and I mean it's just one pick. We can give 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:20.160 away one pick. So Mike Green, I said, Mike Green 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:22.400 from Marshall as someone to throw on the other side there. 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:25.439 Let him rush. And again to Bucky's point, you know, 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:28.120 if you're hunting for thirty points, guess what, we're gonna 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:30.000 put a premium on guys who can rush the quarterback. 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.600 We're gonna play with the lead. So let's let's maybe 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:34.000 we got to give a little bit against the run. 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:35.720 If we got to do that, that's that's okay. We're 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:37.360 gonna go hunt the quarterback. And that's really what the 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:39.680 Colts did. The Colts built their team, for their stadium, 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:43.000 and for their offense during the exactly right undersize fast 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:45.320 rush the quarterback, if you could get on them, if 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:46.679 you could get a lead on them, you were in 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:47.560 a pretty good spot. 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:51.160 But they had some younger players that contributed, right, that 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:53.360 were that were draft picks. You go back to Bob Sanders, 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:55.760 you go back to Joe and Die and Anthony Gonzalez, 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:58.439 and like they had had younger players filling those those 0:09:58.520 --> 0:09:59.120 kind of gaps. 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:01.080 And that's exactly what since that he's gonna have to 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:01.400 do here. 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:04.600 And it all worked together because remember Tony Dungee's defense 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:07.000 was super simple, so young guys could jump in and play, 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:09.360 not a lot of thinking, just sea ball, get ball. 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:12.480 I am sure in Cincinnati it would be something that 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:15.040 is young player friendly to allow them to get those 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:17.760 young defenders on the field, because look, the onus whether 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:20.480 they win or lose, would depend on the big three 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.200 Joe Burrow, T Higgins, Jamar Chase. They got to play 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:25.840 great every week for this team to win. Look, that's 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:27.400 where the money goes, all. 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:29.160 Right, So that was one of the questions. Guys. I 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:31.520 wrote down some more here because these these are things 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:34.720 that are dominating my thoughts right now. So I've got 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:36.960 my own thoughts, and I kind of changed a little 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:38.240 bit from day to day. I want to get some 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:41.600 fresh perspective from you guys on this one. So Buck, again, 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:43.319 you're batting lead off here, because this is the one 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:47.800 that I just keep thinking about the Cleveland Browns. Here 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.160 we go. So we're in the draft room. Picture it. 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:51.720 We're in the draft room. We got the white board 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:53.959 up there. So here's what I'm writing up on the 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:59.280 whiteboardy ready, I've got Schador Sanders and Nick s Gordon 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:08.440 and underneath that, I've got Abdull Carter and Tyler Shuck's 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:10.480 Dret's chomping at the bit to get in here. But 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:12.280 what I want to get, Bucky, I want to get 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:16.080 your un unfiltered thoughts on that one. 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:20.800 Now, are you saying second round for Shuck at this point. 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:23.240 I'm saying, these are your first two picks. You either 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:26.000 Pickandars with the first pick and you get Nick Gordon 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:28.520 as this as your second round pick, or you take 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:31.080 Abduall Carter with your first pick and you get Tyler 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:32.520 Shuck with your second pick. 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:35.280 I'm just fascinated by the combination of having two dominant 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:40.079 pass rushers. Coming coming coming off of the conversation where 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:45.560 we just talked about Cincinnati loading up offensively, Baltimore is 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:47.120 loaded on on offense. 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:49.480 I mean, who knows what Pittsburghns do, but they go 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:50.480 and get DK Metcalf. 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:53.120 I think you just have to take Abduall Carter to 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:56.760 give yourself a chance and then Tyler shut if. Look, man, 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:59.400 you're taking a chance on an older player, seven year 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:02.560 college player. But he's as talented as they come when 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:04.520 you look at him compared to that tier. 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:06.120 He's certainly there. 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:09.600 It's just a matter of who's who's the guy that 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:11.439 he's competing with for the starting job. 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:14.720 Yeah, and I do find that that part of it, 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:16.880 you know, kind of interesting to see a lot of 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:18.200 the talk and a lot of. 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:20.960 After looked. 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:24.520 Probably about the same age. 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:28.400 I don't care how old he is, Like the Browns 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:30.959 haven't had a quarterback in twenty years, Like they'll take 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:31.960 one for five years. 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:36.280 Took the playoffs fine, but he's no longer there. 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:38.760 I mean, like they had a chance to keep him 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:42.280 and didn't. I don't know, man, I just I don't. 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:44.800 I don't care about the age thing on that one 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:46.840 with me and I would, Yeah, I would lock in 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:50.360 Abdull car. I feel better about Abdul Carter than I 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:54.200 do Nick. Like I feel better about Abdull Carter being 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:58.600 a being that much better than Nick Gorton, and I 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:03.400 feel like Shador And that's. 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:03.920 That's the whole thing to me, is that's the That's 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.160 how I would frame the argument. Is like and people 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:08.800 say quarterback Trump's everything, Just take your best quarterback. That's 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:12.000 that side of the argument, right, My thing is the gap. 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:14.400 But like, you're hitting a home run with Abdol Carter. 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:16.320 Nick Gorton is a nice player, but that's not even 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:19.520 they're not even on the same planet. And then Tyler Shuck. 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:21.720 I can say he's got a stronger arm, he's bigger, 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:24.240 he's more athletic, like, he's got a lot of things 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:27.000 in his column, you know, favorably. I don't know that 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:29.840 I could say Nick Gorton does one thing better than 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:33.400 Abdel Carter does. So you're getting an elite, elite player, 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:36.040 and you're gonna have on the opposite side of the 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:38.680 most talented head rusher that maybe we've ever seen in 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.240 the NFL. So you're gonna get one on ones with him. 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:43.320 I mean Abdol Carter is going to have fourteen sacks 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:45.400 as a rookie if he goes to Cleveland. And the 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:48.240 other thing is Buck And you know him as you 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:49.920 know him, maybe not as well as I do, but 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:52.800 you know him telling you man Jim Schwartz in that 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:55.680 draft in that draft meeting, being like, boys, you don't understand. 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:57.920 I know, I know, I know the court, I know. 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:00.600 Find another quarterback. Just find one because you only even 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:03.000 need to score seventeen points a game. You don't need 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:07.319 to score that. You give me him, yeah, yeah, let 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:08.839 him as. 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:11.439 Garrett by the way, you know, and talking to I'm 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:13.120 sure you guys have talked some folks at Penn State, 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:15.400 but I was talking to Tom Allen, uh, you know 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:18.720 who was there and facilitated the switch down to edge 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:21.720 full time for Abdul Carter and was like, never had 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:25.200 to push that, never had to press him to get 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:29.160 like that he practices as hard as anybody on that 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:32.120 team that year that that Tom was there, Like he 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:34.360 is as as hard a practice player as he is 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:36.640 a game player. And we saw that throughout the playoffs. 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:39.760 That is a tough dude who is really still scratching 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:42.440 the surface of what he can be as an edge. 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:44.360 Right, this is a year we're talking about a year? 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:47.680 Yeah, I mean it's it's again, this is an interesting 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:50.480 discussion and this could very well be a discussion with 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:54.400 the New York Giants at three. It's saying that if 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:57.400 the quarterback goes to if Sanders were to go two, yeah, 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:00.840 then the Giants would be faced, you know, or sorry 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:04.080 if if the Browns will take somebody else and shoots falls. 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:06.560 Now you have to say, Okay, maybe they're hunting the 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:09.600 same guy. Maybe it's Jackson Dart, whoever it is. Yeah, 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:12.800 they're now looking at well as Travis Hunter. Do I 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.040 want Travis Hunter in a next tier quarterback? 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:15.520 Right? 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:19.000 You know? Like that whole conversation is it's gonna be fascinating. 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:20.440 That's what this draft is about to me. 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:23.080 Once you get beyond cam Ward, right for the at 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:24.840 least in the top ten, Like that's what these teams 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:25.600 are going to be saying. 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:30.280 Yeah see, And I'm I am still pausing and pumping 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:31.560 the brakes a little bit on cam Ward. 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:32.720 I don't have cam Ward. 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:36.640 Like as the stratospheric quarterback that is going to solve everything. 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:39.360 He certainly is more talented in those things. I think 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:42.120 it's funny how the conversation has become cam Ward and 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:43.160 then everybody else. 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:46.000 I'm just a little leary and going all in. But 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:46.600 I love that. 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:49.960 I love what we're talking about with Abdul Carter because 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.400 if we were talking, are we saying that we that 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:54.600 cam Ward is the most talented player in the draft. 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:59.440 We're just saying take position out, say I. 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:00.640 Feel like Ward is going to go one. I just 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:02.040 feel like between. 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:02.360 You know, I got that. 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:04.160 I'm not talking about who goes one. I'm just talking 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:09.120 about if we were just at the park, Oh player, Okay, Okay, 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:11.080 I was just getting it. Who's your number one player? 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:11.760 Yeah? 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:12.360 Ab Carter? 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:13.000 Okay. 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:15.360 So then if I'm the Cleveland Browns, if you always 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:18.040 take the best player, you can't go wrong. Because we've 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:21.360 talked about this in a bunch of different iterations. Build 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:23.280 up one side of the ball to be great, and 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:25.120 that'll give you a chance. And so if we're talking 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:27.360 about in Cleveland, we have a chance to build a 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:30.640 great defense with Miles Garrett and Abdul Carter, who are 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:33.600 guaranteed to grow together for at least the next four years. 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:36.280 Why not go all in on that to be dominant 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:39.240 there and then find a quarterback figure out that part 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:42.640 of it. And with Kevin Stefanski, I would say taking 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:45.840 back over play calling duties, I think is much easier 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:49.000 to kind of cobble together the offense using the system 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:52.400 that he's used previously as opposed to the way that 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:54.680 it was when he had Ken Dorsey and trying to 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:55.400 do things to fit. 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:59.040 To Sean Wass, But if the Titans take Abdull Carter, 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:01.840 the Browns are taking cam Ward, right, I mean, like 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:05.119 that's that's not going to be the same debate I feel. 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:07.960 I feel like they would. I feel like I don't 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:09.760 know that for certain. I don't know where they don't know. 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:10.760 Yeah, I don't. 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:12.879 Yeah, I know there's I know there's some people in 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:14.919 the league who think the Browns are more locked in 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:16.840 on the second tier quarterbacks than they are on the 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:17.919 top tier quarterbacks. 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:21.360 Uh that would be yeah, that would be kind of yeah. 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:24.320