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Speaker 2: it's Big twelve Combine week. Let's go heading out to Dallas.

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Speaker 3: Man never passed down an opportunity to evaluate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna have a chance to uh, not only

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Speaker 1: But they had some younger players that contributed, right, that

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Speaker 3: And that's exactly what since that he's gonna have to

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Speaker 5: And it all worked together because remember Tony Dungee's defense

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Speaker 2: Right, So that was one of the questions. Guys. I

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Speaker 3: Now, are you saying second round for Shuck at this point.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, these are your first two picks. You either

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Speaker 5: I'm just fascinated by the combination of having two dominant

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Speaker 4: I mean, who knows what Pittsburghns do, but they go

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Speaker 5: I think you just have to take Abduall Carter to

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Speaker 5: give yourself a chance and then Tyler shut if. Look, man,

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Speaker 5: you're taking a chance on an older player, seven year

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Speaker 5: college player. But he's as talented as they come when

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Speaker 4: He's certainly there.

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Speaker 5: It's just a matter of who's who's the guy that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I do find that that part of it,

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Speaker 2: After looked.

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Speaker 4: Probably about the same age.

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Speaker 1: I don't care how old he is, Like the Browns

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Speaker 2: Took the playoffs fine, but he's no longer there.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like they had a chance to keep him

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Speaker 1: I don't care about the age thing on that one

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Speaker 2: That's the whole thing to me, is that's the That's

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Speaker 2: how I would frame the argument. Is like and people

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Speaker 2: that side of the argument, right, My thing is the gap.

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Speaker 2: But like, you're hitting a home run with Abdol Carter.

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Speaker 2: they're not even on the same planet. And then Tyler Shuck.

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Speaker 2: I can say he's got a stronger arm, he's bigger,

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Speaker 2: he's more athletic, like, he's got a lot of things

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Speaker 2: I could say Nick Gorton does one thing better than

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Speaker 2: and you're gonna have on the opposite side of the

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Speaker 2: most talented head rusher that maybe we've ever seen in

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Speaker 2: I mean Abdol Carter is going to have fourteen sacks

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Speaker 2: other thing is Buck And you know him as you

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Speaker 2: you know him telling you man Jim Schwartz in that

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Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know the court, I know.

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Speaker 2: Find another quarterback. Just find one because you only even

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Speaker 2: need to score seventeen points a game. You don't need

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Speaker 1: Garrett by the way, you know, and talking to I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you guys have talked some folks at Penn State,

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Speaker 3: Right, this is a year we're talking about a year?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's it's again, this is an interesting

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Speaker 2: then the Giants would be faced, you know, or sorry

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Speaker 2: Now you have to say, Okay, maybe they're hunting the

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Speaker 2: they're now looking at well as Travis Hunter. Do I

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: You know? Like that whole conversation is it's gonna be fascinating.

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Speaker 3: That's what this draft is about to me.

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Speaker 1: Once you get beyond cam Ward, right for the at

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Speaker 1: least in the top ten, Like that's what these teams

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Speaker 5: Yeah see, And I'm I am still pausing and pumping

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Speaker 4: I don't have cam Ward.

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Speaker 5: Like as the stratospheric quarterback that is going to solve everything.

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Speaker 5: He certainly is more talented in those things. I think

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Speaker 4: I'm just a little leary and going all in. But

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Speaker 4: I love that.

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Speaker 5: I love what we're talking about with Abdul Carter because

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Speaker 5: if we were talking, are we saying that we that

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Speaker 5: cam Ward is the most talented player in the draft.

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Speaker 5: We're just saying take position out, say I.

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Speaker 2: Feel like Ward is going to go one. I just

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Speaker 4: You know, I got that.

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Speaker 5: I'm not talking about who goes one. I'm just talking

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Speaker 5: I was just getting it. Who's your number one player?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Ab Carter?

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Speaker 5: So then if I'm the Cleveland Browns, if you always

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Speaker 5: Why not go all in on that to be dominant

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Speaker 1: To Sean Wass, But if the Titans take Abdull Carter,

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Speaker 1: the Browns are taking cam Ward, right, I mean, like

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Speaker 1: that's that's not going to be the same debate I feel.

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Speaker 2: I feel like they would. I feel like I don't

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know there's I know there's some people in

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Speaker 4: Uh that would be yeah, that would be kind of yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So I don't.

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Speaker 5: I think I think all the theories that and then look,

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Speaker 5: like best player available versus most impactful position?

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Speaker 4: Which one do you odd for?

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Speaker 5: Regardless of whether we talk about Abdual Card being a

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Speaker 5: like desperately, like you can't compete, but you also Herolanda

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Speaker 4: I don't know. It's a fascinating discussion.

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Speaker 5: That's why I can't wait to draft weekend to see

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Speaker 5: how all of this plays out.

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Speaker 2: It's a hard it's look, it's a hard top fifty

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Speaker 2: It's impossible to do a mock draft. It's impossible, man,

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Speaker 2: because you just like these guys. If I've got you know, five, six, three,

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Speaker 2: sixty four level players on the grading scale at one position, frick,

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Speaker 2: I don't know which one of these dudes they like

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Speaker 2: might go twenty eight in these things, in these mock drafts,

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Speaker 2: it's like impossible trying to put that thing together. But

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Speaker 2: it's kind of a weird year. I want to get

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Speaker 2: all right, Rat, you're up on this one. I'll hitch

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Speaker 2: you up on this one. Buck, follow it up. Are

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Speaker 2: we greater than this sounds crazy compared to years past,

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Speaker 3: Greater than fifty percent?

438
00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:08,080
Speaker 4: Yes?

439
00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,080
Speaker 3: Top ten? Oh wait, I'm sorry you said top ten?

440
00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,600
Speaker 2: No top ten? No, no, no, no, give you my giving

441
00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,040
Speaker 2: my first round, and I no, no, no, no, no, no,

442
00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,000
Speaker 2: I think we're for I would pick it to the

443
00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:20,840
Speaker 2: bank we're getting to in the first round. I'm just

444
00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:22,760
Speaker 2: looking where I am right now, and I'm looking at

445
00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,320
Speaker 2: the Raiders at six as a potential running back team,

446
00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,919
Speaker 2: and I'm sitting there, and I'm looking at Chicago Bears

447
00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,120
Speaker 2: at ten as a potential running back team. And I'm

448
00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:32,879
Speaker 2: sitting there and I'm just looking at the grades of

449
00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,120
Speaker 2: the players, and I'm like, Okay, let's say gent's gone

450
00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:40,320
Speaker 2: Genty's like my third guy. So now you start looking

451
00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,240
Speaker 2: at Omarion Hampton from your from your tar heels buck

452
00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,639
Speaker 2: and I'm like, if I'm the Bears, like, Okay, there's

453
00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,600
Speaker 2: we've solved it. Well. We like to think we've solved

454
00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:53,720
Speaker 2: the interior offensive line. So I mean edge rusher like, gosh, okay, yeah,

455
00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,720
Speaker 2: there's some edge rushers that would be interesting there, but man,

456
00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,399
Speaker 2: there's so many of them. I know there's more running

457
00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,879
Speaker 2: backs too, but I I think the gap the drop

458
00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,159
Speaker 2: off between like Omar and Hampton and maybe what you

459
00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,120
Speaker 2: would see the running backs that would be there, because

460
00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:07,879
Speaker 2: I think we'll see a little run before the Bears

461
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,280
Speaker 2: pick again, Whereas I think there's another edgresser that could

462
00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,200
Speaker 2: help them. I just to me, I just keep coming

463
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,080
Speaker 2: back to the thought process of Caleb. Caleb, Caleb, Caleb

464
00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,200
Speaker 2: cleeb the offseason, free agency, Caleb, the draft. It almost

465
00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,560
Speaker 2: feels like this, we gotta get Caleb going. Man, we

466
00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,879
Speaker 2: hired the coach, we got the free agent players to

467
00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:25,840
Speaker 2: come in and help them. Let's go get who helps

468
00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,159
Speaker 2: him the most. I can't make an argument that somebody

469
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,880
Speaker 2: other than like if Genti or Omar and Hampton are there,

470
00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:32,879
Speaker 2: that that somebody helps him more than those guys do.

471
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,800
Speaker 4: M I was waiting to see if jump in go ahead?

472
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,680
Speaker 1: All all right, yeah, I mean I think you could

473
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,240
Speaker 1: kind of come back to the same similar question with

474
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,400
Speaker 1: the Bears, like you know, when they come back around,

475
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,760
Speaker 1: you know, and they got what two second rounders.

476
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken, I got it right here.

477
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chicago is they do have two second rounders. They

478
00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 2: have thirty nine and forty one.

479
00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, again, you could be talking about, you know, Nick

480
00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,440
Speaker 1: Gorton again in a spot like that, you know, compared

481
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,480
Speaker 1: to let's say, all right, let's say you take.

482
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:05,919
Speaker 2: Might you might get I don't know if Judkins is

483
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:07,880
Speaker 2: there at that time. I just think early second round.

484
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 2: I think we might see these some of those those

485
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 2: too Ohio State kids. I don't know if they make

486
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:12,200
Speaker 2: it there.

487
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 1: Do you think the third running back does go in

488
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 1: the first round.

489
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 2: I think there's a really good chance of that. I

490
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,400
Speaker 2: don't think it's a slam dunk, but I think there's

491
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 2: a good chance of it. I just think you're going

492
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:24,880
Speaker 2: to see that running back. It's going to go late

493
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 2: first early second. You're going to see some of those

494
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 2: dudes come off.

495
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 5: So success leaves clues Ben Johnson just left Detroit where

496
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 5: Detroit took Jamier Gibbs at twelve, and at the time

497
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,440
Speaker 5: everyone was outraged that Jamier Gibbs came off the board

498
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 5: at twelve. But what he was able to do is

499
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,399
Speaker 5: take a veteran running back in David Montgomery pairing with

500
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 5: the young running back with Juice, and they had a

501
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,680
Speaker 5: dominant running game that look alleviated a lot of depression

502
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 5: on Jerry Goff. If we're talking about the best way

503
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 5: to take Kaylyn Williams and elevate him, why not take

504
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 5: Deandre's swift Amari and Hampton.

505
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 4: Put those two in the backfield, let them take.

506
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,399
Speaker 5: Turns, because even if one suffers an injury, you at

507
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,239
Speaker 5: least have another RB one to carry. You don't have

508
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,199
Speaker 5: split backs, meaning a guy's an RB two. To me,

509
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,880
Speaker 5: if I'm the Bears, now that you solved the puzzle

510
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 5: on the offensive line, man, why not go get a

511
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 5: legitimate back to really settle the offense down and to

512
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 5: allow you to kind of play with Ben Johnson is

513
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,919
Speaker 5: used to playing like running the football to set up

514
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 5: the quarterback to really dominate in the passing game.

515
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 2: I mean, it's interesting and Omrio Hampton catch the ball too,

516
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 2: So I mean, like there's there's different levels. I think

517
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,120
Speaker 2: it's an interesting question. Yeah, I guess maybe the better

518
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,360
Speaker 2: way to phrase it, instead of greater than fifty percent chance,

519
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 2: I should have just phrased it, would you be shocked?

520
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 2: I would not be shocked if if a Mario and

521
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 2: Hampton was a tenth pick in the draft, it wouldn't

522
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 2: shock me at all. So that's why I was getting

523
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,239
Speaker 2: all right, let's let's take a quick break. Come back.

524
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 2: I got a couple more questions and we'll get to

525
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,159
Speaker 2: some of these draft debates in terms of players r

526
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 2: after this. All right, let's get to a couple more.

527
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 2: I've got like three more questions here. Fuck, I'll get

528
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 2: to you on this one. New England offensive line or

529
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 2: bust in the first round? I mean, are we kind

530
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 2: of there? Does that feel like that?

531
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 5: We got to make sure we protect the king, build

532
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 5: a fortress up, make sure you have enough protection around

533
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 5: Drake May so he can grow. You still would like

534
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 5: to see them have more more weapons, but if he

535
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 5: is getting beat up, it doesn't matter. You got to

536
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 5: make sure that you take care of the offense line.

537
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 5: And let's be honest, Mike Rabel. It just strikes me

538
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 5: as this is gonna be a meat and potatoes type draft.

539
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 5: It's gonna be someone that is physical that can kind

540
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 5: of help him not only like accelerate the culture building,

541
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 5: but also like stylistically how the page is going on

542
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 5: to play.

543
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 4: I think it has to be a line of scrimmage player.

544
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 3: One hundred percent, like one hundred percent.

545
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: I mean I was I thought that, you know, even

546
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: if this felt like it was too high for Will Campbell,

547
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: now I feel like it might be spot on for

548
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: Membu with the way that we've seen him kind of rise.

549
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 2: Where I'm leaning with them a little bit, is Membo, Yeah,

550
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 2: My only thing is gosh, you know, here's a challenge,

551
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 2: and I guess I'll spin it into this one buck.

552
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 2: If you're sitting there and because we have two quarterbacks

553
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 2: that go, if that does happen and you've got Travis

554
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: Hunter sitting there versus those offensive linemen, I think that

555
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 2: becomes a hard decision.

556
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 5: It could become a hard decision maybe, but like look,

557
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 5: I got Christian Zalez.

558
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 4: I just paid money to get carledon.

559
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 2: I'm talking about playing him at receiver. Travis Hunter is

560
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 2: better than any receiver that Drake Mays throwing the ball

561
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 2: to right now.

562
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 4: I mean that's true, that is that is true.

563
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 2: So it's so weird to say he's a weird one

564
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 2: because your mind goes to defense and I'm sitting here

565
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 2: going like, wow, you don't even need just he's a

566
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 2: luxury on defense with the Patriots specifically, I'd be like,

567
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 2: he's the best receiver on the Well.

568
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 5: Also, Mike knows that life right, He's been a two

569
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 5: way player, like he did a little bit of both.

570
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 5: He called a lot of touchdowns, a lot of touchdowns.

571
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 4: Man. There's something about watching memboos run around though. Man.

572
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 5: But I guess it depends on what offensive lineman are

573
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 5: we talking about taking at the top of the second round,

574
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 5: Travis Hunter and whom uh are we taking?

575
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 2: Membo I think you're looking at You're looking at maybe

576
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 2: a guard Donovan Jackson, you know, potentially that player, you know, but.

577
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 4: That can work in New England though, like that can

578
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 4: work honorly.

579
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 2: Maybe you start getting to that group Josh Simmons I

580
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 2: think will be gone. So there's no guarantees on that,

581
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 2: but I mean it's just again you kind of go

582
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 2: back to that's the debate that we've had many many

583
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 2: years ago. We saw one guy who just got paid

584
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 2: as the highest paid receiver in the NFL, who once

585
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 2: upon a time was Pina sul versus Jamar Chase was

586
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 2: all we talked about in that draft. And Joe Burrow,

587
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 2: I'll take the weapon. Yeah, So I don't know, that's

588
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: interesting question. All right, next one? Uh, all right, let's

589
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: get to a rehtt on this one. Yeah, uh Seattle

590
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 2: is this uh and we can wrap it up on

591
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: this one. But yeah, Seattle, are they into your offensive line?

592
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 2: You know? Proverbial gun to the head that no choice here?

593
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: I love right there at eighteen. That's the case that

594
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: feels like a massive fit there. That not only helps Sam,

595
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: but I mean, like, I still think we haven't seen

596
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 1: If Kenneth Walker stays healthy, I think we'll be talking

597
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: about one of the top ten run games in the

598
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: league with especially if they continue to fortify on the interior. Now, look,

599
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: I think the tackles, you know, have been banged up

600
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: a bunch too out there, you know, and.

601
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 3: So I'd like to see those guys stay healthy.

602
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 2: I think specifically Lucas.

603
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: Specifically exactly, but I mean, shoot, Zabel helps you any

604
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: of the five.

605
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 2: I had, I had, I had Zabel just a punch

606
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: to the gut going sixteen to the Cardinals.

607
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: Oh, I wouldn't be shocked if that's a Josh Simmons

608
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: spot too.

609
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 3: By the way, Yeah, with Seattle, No Arizona.

610
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 2: Oh oh with Arizona. Interesting. Oh the offensive line coach

611
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 2: is there right?

612
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 4: Oh, it's buddy Buddies, Buddies there you go.

613
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 5: Look, connect connecting, connecting the dots with Sam Donald, Clint Kubiak.

614
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 5: How they want to run this offense is really important

615
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 5: that they're solid up front. They need the running game

616
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 5: because all the competently complimentary play action, those things that

617
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 5: Sam could work on.

618
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 2: Uh.

619
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 4: Look, it's essential to be able to con to.

620
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 5: Look, move the line of scrimmage and if you can

621
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 5: move the fenders off the ball, Kenvin Walker King get

622
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 5: going with other running games, complimented running game that you

623
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 5: want to use. It allows Sam Donald to not only

624
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 5: throw those play action passes that he's good on, but

625
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 5: also come out the back door on the buleg. So yeah,

626
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 5: let's make sure we're solid up front for John Snyder

627
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 5: and his crew. You want this to work because you

628
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 5: want to run the football, and I think interior presence

629
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 5: is where the Seattle certainly need to focus on. Plenty

630
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 5: of weapons would be available. You got Cooper Cup, you

631
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 5: got JSN. That's not the issue. The running game at

632
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 5: a lot of scrimmage.

633
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 2: So you got if I told you though, Bucky, You've

634
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 2: got Banks, who's a tackle who maybe could use inside.

635
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 2: You've got Simmons who's a tackle who maybe you'd want

636
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 2: to use inside or maybe just keep him at tackle

637
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: there with what you got, Or I told you that

638
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: Colston Lovelin had fallen down there at pick number eighteen,

639
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 2: I just that's where I just, I mean, I want

640
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 2: to build the trenches. But I have such a higher

641
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 2: grade on Colston leveland as a football player, I don't

642
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 2: know if I i'd be like, hey, Sam, we got you.

643
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 2: Somebody can get open quick. We need you to go ahead,

644
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 2: get that thing out now, let's get that thing out

645
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 2: of your hands.

646
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 5: I mean, he's he's a really good player. I just

647
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 5: have him with a lightning boat on the side.

648
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 4: I got you. I just think he'd be such a good.

649
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: I didn't have him getting I didn't have him getting

650
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 2: that far. I don't think that would be.

651
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 3: The Dolphins at thirteen for the tight end.

652
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, no, that's that's an interesting one. You know,

653
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 2: who I ended up and again we'll just kind of

654
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 2: have it riffing here, but who I ended up giving

655
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: to the Dolphins is someone that the longer we go

656
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: through the process, the more I appreciate Buck. Do you

657
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 2: ever have players like that, like you kind of give

658
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 2: him the grade? Oh, and then you go through the

659
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: process and it's not like you're it's not like I

660
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 2: don't even feel bad about But like Malachi Starks, I

661
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: think I went in with the expectation because he had

662
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: such a big reputation and then I just didn't see

663
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 2: quite the playmaking that I wanted to see this year

664
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 2: off the tape, and for whatever reason the Clemson game

665
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: kind of he flashed like whoa, this keeps up, man,

666
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 2: this is a top ten player. And then but gosh,

667
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 2: I just I know, the forty was okay, the workout

668
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: numbers like threekin on all that stuff wasn't great. But

669
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 2: just watching him go through the drills, he was like

670
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: the fastest in every single drill. He just looked the

671
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: way he moved it gave me and I know he

672
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: didn't make anywhere near the places that ed Reid makes,

673
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: but just watching him move and body control and things

674
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 2: like that, he gave me some Ed Reid vibes. And

675
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 2: then when I hear from team after team after team

676
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 2: that his interviews were off the charts, like the football intelligence,

677
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 2: the leadership, the communication, which is huge at that position.

678
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, this guy ain't missing man somebody in a

679
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: draft with so many kind of uncertainties. That's why I

680
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: thought he's going to go in the top fifteen, just

681
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 2: because he's too clean of a person as well of

682
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 2: a player.

683
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think this is where the beauty pageant gets

684
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 5: everything kind of muddied, right, because we're always looking for

685
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 5: the superhero that can leap tall buildings in the single bound.

686
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 5: But don't forget man, it's about the ball. And when

687
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 5: you look at Malakoi Starks, particularly not last year, but

688
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 5: the year before, he's all over the place and not

689
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 5: the same player, but kind of the same conversation with

690
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 5: Kyle Hamilton. When you look at Cal Hamilton and you

691
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 5: just knew he's a really good football player, but the

692
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 5: other stuff didn't work out for him, so he falls

693
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 5: to Baltimore and becomes the player that we thought that

694
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 5: he would be in the league. To me, I get

695
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 5: that sense with Malakin Starks. The problem is the guy

696
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 5: that is at his position South Carolina kid is a

697
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 5: super hero.

698
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 4: With also balder skills.

699
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 3: Does that kick us off with a couple of this

700
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 3: or that's here each?

701
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I'll give you the floor because we talked

702
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 2: about this and we each kind of go through. BUTTT,

703
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: why don't you lead us off and then Buck, you

704
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: get a second to get your thoughts on this one.

705
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 2: Then I'll go a second. But the struggle that you

706
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 2: might be having at a certain position, this player versus

707
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: that player. Go ahead, RTT, what do you got our dj?

708
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 3: I' mecha a Buka versus Matthew Golden.

709
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good one. It's a good one. I

710
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 2: mean I have him, I have him touching each other,

711
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: I think right, I have I have him fifteen in uh,

712
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 2: fifteen and seventeen.

713
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: So me, the resume speaks louder for a buka. The

714
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: length of the resume, the volume of the resume. And

715
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: now we're going to see, you know, when Ohio State

716
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: goes through a pro day, We're gonna see.

717
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 3: What the numbers are for a buka.

718
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: But I imagine it's They're going to impress us in

719
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: the way that Chris Olave and UH and Garrett Wilson

720
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: did when they came out, and maybe a little bit

721
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: faster than people think he is. So I just think

722
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: he's such a polished professional at this point that like

723
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: that dude's going to come right in. And not to

724
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: say that Golden can't be that, but to me that like,

725
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: I feel a little bit more comfortable with a Buka.

726
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 3: That's the way I would turn it.

727
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 2: And how would you have that one? Buck?

728
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 4: Man, That's a good one. It's so funny.

729
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 5: I spent all of the fall just loving Abuka and

730
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 5: then of late, not only the combine stuff, but Matthew Golden.

731
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 5: When you go back and look at the tape, you

732
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 5: just wonder, Man, what was I missing When you look

733
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 5: at him. He's such a clean route runner, He's so

734
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 5: spectacularly with the ball in his hands, and he does

735
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 5: have that juice.

736
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 4: I'm leaning towards Matthew Golden over top.

737
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 5: And I know Ohio State has just produced receiver after

738
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 5: receiver aster receiver after receiver receiver, but I don't know, Man,

739
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 5: the Texas kid got something to him that just kind

740
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 5: of kind of pop for me.

741
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I look at the fact a couple of different

742
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 2: things where I would go with Golden. I mean, just

743
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 2: first of all, just pure juice. He's just got more

744
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 2: juice Buka Is. I think, what ten pounds heavier, so

745
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: and he's strong, but Golden plays strong, plays strong through

746
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 2: the ball. They're both I love the fact that they

747
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: both get their feet in the ground, their grounded through

748
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: the catch. They're just real. They played strong for their size.

749
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 2: I just think you get a little more juice with Golden.

750
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 2: And I come back to two things with Golden. One

751
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: is he moves up a level basically, right, you know,

752
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: you go from Houston and then you go to the

753
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: biggest stage there is with Texas, and he's much better

754
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 2: at Texas than even was at Houston. And then in

755
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: the biggest games, in the biggest moments, i e. Season

756
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 2: on the line, fourth down against Arizona State, whereas Steve

757
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 2: Sarkisan's got a lot of options in that offense and

758
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 2: he's running it through Matthew Golden, he was making plays

759
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 2: and save their season. So I've got kind of that

760
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: clutch factor. And then you just kind of go through

761
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: the spring and I'm like I've seen him. I mean,

762
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: I just got a chance to see him, you know,

763
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 2: at the combine and saw that speed, which is which

764
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 2: is real. So and you also have some kickoff return

765
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 2: stuff too. If you want to mess with that, he's

766
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: he's he can take it to the house on that.

767
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 2: But that's a good one. That's a great example of

768
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 2: kind of this one versus of that one. I've got

769
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 2: one for you on Buck. I'll hit you on this one.

770
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: And it's not that this is again when you're doing these,

771
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: it's not we're not just talking about the you know,

772
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: the top ten, top fifteen players, just like the ones

773
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 2: that you struggle with. For me, it's that's a safety

774
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: position in that next tier behind those top two guys.

775
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 2: So to me for the third safety, when I look

776
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 2: at Xavier Watts from Notre Dame with all of his

777
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 2: production and Jalen Reed from Penn State, they're almost identical

778
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,959
Speaker 2: in size five to one, one five two eleven for Reid,

779
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,479
Speaker 2: five one one six two oh four for Watts. Reid

780
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 2: ran a four four to nine. So with Reed, you know,

781
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 2: I just I think he plays fast. I love his

782
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 2: physicality as a blitzer. He still had you know, he

783
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: got production, had three picks, So it's not he hasn't

784
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 2: done anything in the production department. He just twitched up

785
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 2: and plays kind of hair on fire. And then with Watts,

786
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 2: you've got the incredible production, like unbelievable ball production. But

787
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 2: some of it is kind of ball finds him, you know,

788
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: like the you know, it's not necessarily him always making

789
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 2: plays on the ball. The ball kind of gets them.

790
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: I think sometimes we underestimate that that those guys. The

791
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 2: ball finds him in college, it tends to find him

792
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: in the NFL as well. I didn't think he moved

793
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 2: quite as good. We haven't seen him run yet, so

794
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: I'm curious to see him run when you get that process.

795
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 2: But man, it's hard to ignore the production. So that's

796
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 2: the third safety for me. Back is a good debate.

797
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, the third stage is a good debate.

798
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 5: Now, Xavier, watch the IQ the awareness, and you talked

799
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 5: about just the ball finding him. To me, I'm just

800
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 5: a believer that some of those plays are made because

801
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 5: the guy says traps that he understands where the ball

802
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 5: is going and he just finds a way to kind

803
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 5: of maneuver and get himself to that spot.

804
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 4: It's a good one.

805
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 5: I still lean towards to Notre Dame kid like watch

806
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 5: to me is kind of like that safety that I

807
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 5: love having. Maybe it's the ball production that I can't erase.

808
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 5: Really good player, both guys are really good players.

809
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 3: Though I really liked I really like Xavier Watts.

810
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: I just you know, the thing that strikes me is

811
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: that that dude doesn't miss a whole lot like in

812
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: the open field man on some of those like some

813
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: of those you know, get some of those quick screens up.

814
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: I remember watching that USC game just thinking that that

815
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 1: dude just bringing everybody he touches, is getting to.

816
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 3: The ground like he's not missing on guys, And.

817
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: I just I think that is a very valuable commodity

818
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: in the league right now, especially with the way that

819
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: we see those kind of quick kitters, you know, trying

820
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: to get yards.

821
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 3: So I would lean slightly towards Wats.

822
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's uh, it's an excellent debate. I

823
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: have Wats. I have an exact game both sixty two,

824
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 2: so I have the same exact great on these guys.

825
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 2: I want to see if I can pull up the

826
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: tackle thing because now you got me, uh, you got

827
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 2: me thinking they're RT. So I want to.

828
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 3: Twenty.

829
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 1: It was I think I got I want to say,

830
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,959
Speaker 1: you had like eight miss tackles in a run game

831
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: on the year.

832
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm pull it up right now here too, so

833
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 2: I can pull up. I just wanted to compare the

834
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 2: the tackling stuff with those two guys. Yeah, let's go

835
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: to miss tackles. Yeah, Jalen Reid had sad eight. He

836
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 2: had eight miss tackles and guess what David Watts eight

837
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: miss tackles. Jalen Reid had twenty run stops, Xavier Watts

838
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 2: had seventeen. Okay, I mean like that's what I'm saying,

839
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 2: that's night.

840
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 3: Yeah.

841
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 2: The guys are very close as players, so that could

842
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 2: be as you know what that could be as simple

843
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 2: as that could be, as simple as you bring them

844
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 2: both into your building, you let your coaches visit with them,

845
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 2: and who do you want to coach?

846
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 3: Put them back to back, right, just like we do

847
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 3: what we say one of the value.

848
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,919
Speaker 2: I don't people realize that because everybody thinks it's like, oh,

849
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 2: it's just this tape and this stat and this and

850
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 2: this you pro day, I'm like, you know what it is.

851
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 2: Sometimes you bring him in the coach because I just

852
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 2: like this kid. I like this kid better than that

853
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: kid I want. If I'm gonna have him in my room,

854
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: I'd rather have this kid. And we are never going

855
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: to know.

856
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,919
Speaker 3: That I got.

857
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: I got two more rapid firewoods, if you guys are

858
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: are ready them off Darius Alexander versus Josh Farmer. Now,

859
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: Now tackles are tougher because, like there's differences.

860
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 3: In style stylistically, right, but in terms of.

861
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 2: Like both older I believe too, yeah.

862
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit Alexander and Farmer, both guys we

863
00:37:58,960 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: sought the Senior Bowl.

864
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 3: Farmer feels like.

865
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 2: He thought Farmer had a better overall week there, you know,

866
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 2: just in terms of the consistency, whereas Alexander flashed well.

867
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what I feel like, is what

868
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 1: you're buying with Alexander, Like you're buying a little bit

869
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: more pizaz than you are with Farmer, who's got a

870
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: little bit more of like the bulk, maybe not as

871
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: much of the twitchiness that Alexander does, maybe is a

872
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: little bit less, Like Alexander's got a little bit more

873
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: freaky athleticism.

874
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 4: To me, he is, he is a freak show on

875
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:29,240
Speaker 4: the inside.

876
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 5: When you just see a man dead's size move the

877
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 5: way that he moves, the way he's able to create

878
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 5: chaos on the inside. He's so good with his hands,

879
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 5: and the way his hands and feet are tied together

880
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 5: as a rusher, to me is super impressive for an

881
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 5: interior guy.

882
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 4: You just don't see guys with his sides kind of

883
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 4: moving around like that.

884
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had I had Farmer six spots over Alexander,

885
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 2: but I would say that is more than likely going

886
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 2: to flip one once we get down the home stretch

887
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 2: here and more of the reasons that kind of you

888
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: mentioned there, just kind of the length, the athleticism. You

889
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: get a little bit more with Alexander, And it's weird

890
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 2: to say as somebody, I think it's twenty five years

891
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 2: old that you're kind of but he's gotten better every year,

892
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: like he's just continued to get better. So I would

893
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 2: probably lean towards Alexander on that one. At this point

894
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: in time. What's the last one?

895
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: Last one I got is Landon Jackson versus jack Sawyer.

896
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: Jackson at this point in time, Atlanta Jackson, Ace the

897
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: Senior Bowl game, he was phenomenal. Then he goes to

898
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 2: the Combine and Ace the combine. Yah. So, and the

899
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 2: other thing is when I was going back through and

900
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: I'm gonna, you know, one of the ones that I

901
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 2: would don't we won't have to do it here. But

902
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 2: like we've kind of already talked about Membo, you know,

903
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 2: potentially having leap frogged Will Campbell right as the top

904
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: offensive linemon. Golly man, it's the Arkansas game for Will

905
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 2: Campbell's a tough one and Lanta Jackson he ate his

906
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 2: lunch and the game.

907
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: I mean's Max Crosby, you know, it's like that that

908
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: that effort.

909
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: And it doesn't he just doesn't then quite like Crosby,

910
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 2: but he is so long.

911
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

912
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 2: I also like the fact I think he was l

913
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 2: s U first right too injurance.

914
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, came in with an injury.

915
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 2: And then that's.

916
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 4: That's what.

917
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 2: Anyone that you come up with.

918
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 5: Oh no, No, the one that I've had is the one

919
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 5: that we were about to get into. When it talks

920
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 5: about the Ohio State running backs, like I'm still having

921
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 5: a talk flipped them twice, all right, I mean between

922
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 5: Henderson and Jakins, like trying to figure out who and

923
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 5: what and then you're trying to you're trying to look

924
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 5: at the tape and and figure out like, well, why

925
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 5: does this guy get the ball at this moment, but

926
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 5: then the next game the other guy gets it at

927
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 5: the same identical moment. In a situation, it's like the

928
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 5: coaches didn't give me clues as to which one they

929
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 5: felt like was the one they need to hang their

930
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 5: hat on.

931
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 4: Man, really good players. Both are explosive and dynamic.

932
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kins ran a little faster than I thought he would,

933
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: and you know, he's heavier to me, heavier, and he

934
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 2: ran really well and he's the closer. But then Henderson,

935
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 2: you get you. He hits a lot of home runs.

936
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 4: A lot of home runs.

937
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm saying that is a tough one. I've

938
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 2: had him. I'll probably switch it a million times and

939
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 2: when yeah, by the time we finish up there, you

940
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 2: know what. You know what. It reminded me of like

941
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: one of the all time debates that I had where

942
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 2: I went back and forth on it, which is kind

943
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 2: of funny now when you think about it, But it

944
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 2: was Hooker, right and Jamal Adams.

945
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: When they had seem Yeah, it was like he ended

946
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: up going what like three and fifteen or something.

947
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, for Hooker, Yeah, yeah, Adams was way up there. Yeah,

948
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 2: and you had Adams who was at the line of

949
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 2: scrimmage and the blitzer, and and then you had Hooker

950
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 2: who was at all that ball production back now, to

951
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: be honest with you, I mean, and Adams had some

952
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 2: good early years, but like and Hooker still going on. Still, yes,

953
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 2: he's had a long career. But I would say neither

954
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 2: one of them, like from the impact we thought we

955
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 2: were going to get with those guys, neither one of

956
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 2: them really can.

957
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 5: Because I think I think Jamal was six, MALIEK. Cooker

958
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 5: was Was he fourteen?

959
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I won't say fifteen of the colts, but yeah,

960
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: it's in that range. And we're like, why what's taking

961
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: Why is Malie Cooker lasted so long? I remember that

962
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: being one of the conversations.

963
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 4: That basketball player natural instincts.

964
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,439
Speaker 5: He was making all the plays all over the field

965
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 5: in terms of ball production.

966
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 4: And then we.

967
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 3: Talked about him up there in like the top five

968
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 3: overall players.

969
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, all right, how about this? Would you

970
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 2: I would have never guessed this. I don't know why

971
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 2: I haven't paid attention to those two guys. What would

972
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 2: you give me your guests without looking without cheating. Career

973
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 2: interceptions Malik Hooker versus Jamal Adams.

974
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 4: I would say Malik Hooker probably has here's the boys.

975
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 4: I want to say twenty. Can we get to twenty?

976
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 4: Can we get to twenty interceptions? Oh?

977
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 2: No, Mali Cooker has fourteen? Fourteen interceptions? Still okay, it's

978
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 2: pretty good. Fourteen, Okay? Jamal Adams has four.

979
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 4: Four I knew, I knew his less than whatever his

980
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 4: team was, you know.

981
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 2: Like I'm still getting I had Molly Cooker in that one.

982
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 2: I thought I had lost that one.

983
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 5: Like Jamalson was ended up being when Greg Williams made

984
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 5: him a pseudo linebacker in sack production, and then he

985
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 5: carried it on to Seattle and then the injuries and

986
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 5: then he couldn't acknowledge what he is and that's why

987
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 5: he said, issue.

988
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: You want to know what's crazy? So in Seattle he

989
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 2: had nine and a half sacks, right, think about this

990
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 2: is how weird the league is and injuries. I obviously

991
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 2: play a partner. So he's an All Pro, second team

992
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 2: All Pro Pro bowler nine and a half sacks in

993
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, and he at that point he's twenty five

994
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: years old. Do you know how many sacks he had

995
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: after that?

996
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 4: Probably one?

997
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 2: Right, I have zero?

998
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 3: How many one?

999
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: So the has traded more first round picks for Jamal

1000
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: Adams then sacks that he had to get him out

1001
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: of New York?

1002
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 2: Is that right? Well, his the nine and a half

1003
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 2: sack year was.

1004
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 3: That was the first year that was New York. That

1005
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 3: was that was in New York. That's what I'm saying.

1006
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 3: So Seattle traded.

1007
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 2: No, no, no, he had six and a half. He

1008
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 2: had six and a half with the Jets, and then

1009
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 2: his first year in Seattle he had nine and a half.

1010
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 3: Okay, so it paid off for a little bit for

1011
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 3: his first year.

1012
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 2: That's that first year he's a Pro bowler, second team

1013
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 2: All Pro, nine and a half sacks and then from

1014
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 2: that point on he did not have a single sack

1015
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 2: and did not let me see, where's interceptions? And then

1016
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 2: he had he had two interceptions after that after the

1017
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 2: age of twenty five, No sacks, two picks. Man injuries

1018
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 2: I think had yeah, yeah, a big part of that.

1019
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 2: But well, I did not think we were going to

1020
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 2: do the Molie Cooker. Jamal Adams, do you want to

1021
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 2: do golf versus Wentz? Yeah, gosh, that's a tough loss

1022
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 2: for me on that one. Bucky was Bucky was team

1023
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 2: Golf or he got me. He got me good on

1024
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: that one.

1025
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: Well, it wasn't what I mean. Look that one's had

1026
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 3: some ups now, okay.

1027
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 2: One Buck had a couple of big wins early the

1028
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 2: early path to the draft years. That's what it was.

1029
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 2: It was like this guy versus that guy. I lost.

1030
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 2: I lost the Vic bass I think you might have won,

1031
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 2: Vic Beasley, because I don't even remember who I have.

1032
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: I don't think you did anything.

1033
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 4: It was not. It was not a Fowler, I think right,

1034
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 4: Oh it was.

1035
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 2: Maybe it was. He's still play. I can't. It was

1036
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 2: a good comeback for me. It was a good early

1037
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 2: on was not looking good for me.

1038
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 3: Guys.

1039
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: That was the Seahawks, by the way, just two first

1040
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 1: rounders in a third for Jamal Adams.

1041
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 2: I know that was a heist.

1042
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 4: Man.

1043
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 5: I thought I thought he was going to be peace

1044
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 5: version of Troy Pola up there.

1045
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 4: I thought he was gonna play.

1046
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 5: I thought he was gonna play down in the line

1047
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 5: of scrimmers like Troy did, ed sc and make a

1048
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 5: ton of plays.

1049
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 4: And he did that first.

1050
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 2: Year and then that was it. Yeah, not great. You

1051
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 2: know what's going to be funny is all the debates.

1052
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: You know, we're talking about that twenty twenty one draft.

1053
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 2: Think about then, Buck, you kind of mentioned it about

1054
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks, but like how much time we spent on

1055
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Fields, mac Jones, Like we

1056
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 2: knew Trevor was gonna go number one with that whole

1057
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 2: draft process, was talking about those four of those four.

1058
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: Others, they're all they're all on your third team. Yeah,

1059
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: at least the third right, Yeah, Well, I assume we'll

1060
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: get somewhere.

1061
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 5: So here's here. And I know we do a lot

1062
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 5: of the quarterback discussion for TV. Let's try and make

1063
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 5: sure we talk about the best players, so we at

1064
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 5: least have some of that. We have to talk about

1065
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 5: the quarterback because everyone loves the quarterbacks, but let's talk

1066
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 5: about the best players.

1067
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 3: Are the producers listening. Are the producers listening to the show?

1068
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 2: I'd like to hear it like you'll hear it like

1069
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: with uh, you'll hear it with the analysts when you're

1070
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: watching all the different networks about like how do you

1071
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 2: not take it? You don't have one, you have to

1072
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 2: take one and I'm like, notarily not in the first round.

1073
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: If you don't love them, just take one that you

1074
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 2: take another player you love and take your swing on

1075
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 2: the year of.

1076
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 3: The second round.

1077
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 2: Quarterback right here, let's go and then you know what

1078
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 2: inevitably happens, and everybody starts. It's like poker, you know,

1079
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: everybody starts around the Wait, they haven't gone yet.

1080
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 3: Let's hold off.

1081
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 2: Let's just yeah, yeah, nobody needs to raise the pot here.

1082
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 2: Nobody needs to raise the pot. Let's just chan their

1083
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 2: card free. Look here. That's what it is, all right.

1084
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: Anything else you guys want to get into before we

1085
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 2: get out here. This was fun to be back together again.

1086
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 3: Man, Yeah, I enjoyed it. Enjoyed it.

1087
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 1: I like, I like playing the this or that. So

1088
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 1: I think there's there's a million more we could get

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Speaker 1: to and we should probably do some semblance of that

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Speaker 1: here for the next couple of weeks.

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Speaker 2: I gave you guys one story as we as we

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Speaker 2: head out, you guys knew I was gone last week.

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00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 2: I was in Hawaii and uh, celebrate my anniversary. And

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00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 2: we're we're walking back my wife when I went out

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Speaker 2: to dinner. We're walking back through a different hotel than

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Speaker 2: the one we were at. And we're looking around and

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00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: I go, I go, oh, oh, babe, these are there's

1098
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Speaker 2: these are NFL players. I just look around, so there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of NFL players here, like, how do you know?

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Speaker 2: How do you know? I'm like, I just I'm body typing.

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Speaker 2: He's like, you can't you can't know that their NFL players.

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Speaker 2: I'm all, yeah, look at the I just look at

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00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 2: the look at the bodies and look at the watch,

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Speaker 2: like the combination of the body with the watch the

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00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 2: NFL players. And she's like, you don't know that. I

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00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: kid you not. Within sixty seconds of her saying you

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Speaker 2: can't know that, Harrison Harrison Phillips from Dirty Harry in

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Speaker 2: the Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: Like, DJ, what's up.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, Harrison, what are you doing over? Harrison? We

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00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 2: start talking the NFL pay that is. It was literally

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Speaker 2: all of these guys walking around there. So it was

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Speaker 2: it was great to catch up with him. What a

1114
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Speaker 2: good dude, man. So but it was, uh, it was funny.

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Speaker 2: Come on, like Buck, we never we can't turn body

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00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 2: typing off. Stops at the mall, You'll see somebody like

1117
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 2: I know he's somebody I don't know who he is,

1118
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Speaker 2: but I know he's somebody anyways. All Right, that's gonna

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00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 2: do it for us today. Appreciate you guys hanging with us.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you next time. We got coming to you

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Speaker 2: from the Big twelve Pro Days in Dallas. Yeah, coming

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Speaker 2: your way, so be on the look out for that.

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Speaker 2: Until then, we appreciate you and hope you have a

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Speaker 2: wonderful week.

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Speaker 4: H