1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Paranormal podcast network, where we offer you podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: and the unexplained. Get ready now for Beyond Contact with 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Captain Rong. 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 7 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: to Coast AM, employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 9 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 10 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 11 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond Contact, 12 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 3: explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of the 13 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 3: classic cases, and bring you the latest information from the 14 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 3: newest cases as we talk with the top experts. 15 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 4: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today 16 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 4: we have the great pleasure of speaking with one of 17 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 4: the legends in ufology, the author of Communion himself, mister 18 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 4: Whitley streeber Will. He's actually written over forty fiction and 19 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 4: nonfiction books and he is still at it with a 20 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,919 Speaker 4: brand new book out right now. Called the Fourth Mind. 21 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 4: The Fourth Mind is the first book ever to explore 22 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 4: the anatomy, brains, genetics, beliefs, and capabilities of the as 23 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 4: Whitley calls them, the visitors. His website Unknown Country is 24 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 4: among the largest in the world dealing with paranormal phenomenon 25 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 4: and his podcast Dreamland has been produced weekly for over 26 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 4: twenty years and remains one of the premier spots on 27 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 4: this topic. We're also going to be very honored to 28 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 4: once again have them back at Contact in the Desert, 29 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 4: and I'm thrilled to have them here with me today. 30 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 4: Thanks for taking the time. Welly, how you doing. 31 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 5: By doing great? And I'm glad to be here. 32 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 4: You know, I wanted to start off today and ask 33 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 4: you a bit about psionics and telepathy because I feel 34 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 4: like you sit right at the intersection of the telepathy 35 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 4: tapes and UFOs. I think the very first time I 36 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 4: remember reading about telepathic contact with beings was in Communion, 37 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 4: and we often hear contact these saying how that they 38 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 4: feel that the beings communicated with them telepathically, Isn't that right? 39 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 5: That's right. The telepathy is the way they communicate. It's 40 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 5: really their voice. They are not vocal. They do not 41 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 5: have a SIRNX, which is what a bird uses to 42 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 5: make notes or vocal cords like we used to make words. 43 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 5: Their method of communication is telepathic, and when you were 44 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 5: with them you can do ti pelepathy too easily, and 45 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 5: if you with them enough, eventually you can do telepathy 46 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 5: fairly well yourself, just on your own. We are capable 47 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 5: of it, but because we use the voice, it's not 48 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 5: emphasized the telepathy tapes. What happened there were These were 49 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 5: people that doctor Diane Hennessy Powell discovered were communicating telepathically, 50 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 5: largely because their parents and caregivers told her that this 51 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 5: was happening, and she's open minded enough to look into it. 52 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 5: These are, specifically, we're people who were unvoiced, who generally 53 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 5: were autistic and could not speak people. The parents would 54 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 5: begin to hear them in their heads. And this happened 55 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 5: so often that, as I say, she began to test it. 56 00:03:54,400 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 5: And then a particularly special documentary filmmaker, Kai Dickens, who 57 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 5: is devoted to making documentary films that help people. I 58 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 5: mean in other words, that she's a helping personality, discovered 59 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 5: this was going on and decided to make a documentary 60 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 5: film about it. Nothing. She did a lot of the work, 61 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 5: but she couldn't get the film funded because people are 62 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 5: so I mean, this is the Western this is Western civilization. 63 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 5: We don't believe in the soul. We don't believe in 64 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 5: anything we can't measure, even if we maybe later could 65 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 5: measure it. Like you would have been burned at the 66 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 5: stake in Western civil or not burned at the stake 67 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 5: at this point. But in eighteen thirty, if you had 68 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 5: declared that it was possible to transmit voice over the 69 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 5: air between people, let alone pictures, you would have been 70 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 5: laughed off the stage of science as being some kind 71 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 5: of a crank. But radio existed then, we just didn't 72 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 5: know how to use it. Telepathy exists now, we just 73 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,799 Speaker 5: don't know how to use it. And because we can't 74 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 5: measure whatever it is that causes telepathy, we scoff at it. 75 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 5: The scientific world scoffs at Diane, And they in fact 76 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:29,239 Speaker 5: tried to get her take her license to practice away, 77 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 5: just the same thing they did with John Mack. And 78 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 5: then they tried to They forced her to take a 79 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 5: mental health exam before she could continue to practice again. 80 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 5: Just the most absolutely outrageous, humiliating thing. You can imagine, 81 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 5: it's horrible and. 82 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 4: Don't you think Whitley that a lot of times throughout 83 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 4: history this has happened to scientists who come across something new. 84 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I mean, of course the classic cases are 85 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 5: Galileo and Donald Bruno. Bruno, probably one of the most 86 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 5: brilliant human beings who ever lived, ended up getting burned 87 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 5: at the stake, and Galileo came close. He ended up 88 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 5: in house arrest for the rest of his life because 89 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 5: they were right. Being right hurts, people will beat you up. 90 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 4: You know, you seem very excited about the work of 91 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 4: Diane and of course Ki Dickens who's documenting her work. 92 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 4: There seems to be other aspects within these non speakers 93 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 4: abilities that really relates to our areas of the phenomenon 94 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 4: in general, like crystal's vibration consciousness. Aren't these other things 95 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 4: kind of showing up in their work? 96 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 5: Some of them have a sensitivity that enables them to 97 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 5: perceive the reality of crystal vibration. I have crystals here. 98 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 5: I have one that it's a rose quartz crystal that 99 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 5: I dreamed about it one night and we were walking 100 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 5: down the street the next day and there it sat 101 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 5: in the window of a shop and I thought I 102 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 5: was told that and then said, oh, look there's your crystal. 103 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 5: And I think I thought to myself, I'd better buy 104 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 5: that crystal. And I've had it ever since. That was 105 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 5: back in the in the long before the community experience, 106 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 5: back in the seventies. Oh, I've had it beside my 107 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 5: bed ever since. It's been You know, I don't feel 108 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 5: anything direct from it, but I do greatly respect it. 109 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 5: I think it has something to do with my relationship 110 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 5: to the earth. Perhaps I don't know. 111 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 4: You know, there's so many fascinating aspects to doctor Powell's work, 112 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 4: Like I wonder if they are communicating mind to mind 113 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 4: by sending messages, or if there's somehow sharing consciousness and 114 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 4: that the one person's actually seen through the other person's eyes. 115 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 4: You know, we heard that that tale years ago someone 116 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 4: a blind child was able to read an eye chart 117 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 4: through their mother's eyes. Which do you think it. 118 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 5: Is well both? For example, in communicating with the visitors, 119 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 5: I have a trigger word, which if I hear it 120 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 5: in my head repeated three times in my head, then 121 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 5: my mind becomes open to verbal telepathy. If I don't, 122 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 5: if you say it, it doesn't make any difference. I've 123 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 5: tried that, believe me. But if I hear it is, 124 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 5: if it's being spoken in my head, then I can 125 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 5: verbally be verbally telepathic with whoever is being telepathic with me. 126 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 5: And that doesn't just mean the Grays. There are people 127 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 5: who can do this too, and the ones that know 128 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 5: the trigger word can communicate with me. But I'm locked away. 129 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 5: I can't. I can't, like do telepathy, do verbal telepathy 130 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 5: with you right now? I wish I could. I know 131 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 5: some people who can and are very good at it. 132 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 5: In fact, the other kind of telepathy is much richer, 133 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 5: and that I'm pretty much in that. That's when in 134 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 5: the telepathy tapes the kids talk about going to the hill, 135 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 5: which is a figurative place where they are all aware 136 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 5: on the same frequency. You get used to working in 137 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 5: these frequencies. It's not hard. It's something that everyone can do. 138 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 5: In fact, I talk about it a lot in the 139 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 5: Fourth Mind. We don't do it because we're told it's impossible, 140 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 5: and so that's why we don't do it. We're told 141 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 5: we're weak, small, ignorant, and foolish and actually also dangerous. 142 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 5: All of those things are to a degree true, but 143 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 5: we are also wonderful. We are also capable, and we 144 00:09:54,920 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 5: have a rich relationship with other levels of real and 145 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 5: we have many frequencies we can address in the human being. 146 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 4: Well, real quick, I wanted to ask you. We're almost 147 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 4: at the break here, but I wanted to see when 148 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:16,079 Speaker 4: you first experienced the telepathic communication back in the day, 149 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 4: when this first happened with the visitors. Did it feel invasive? 150 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 4: I mean, you had have never had an experience like 151 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 4: that before. It had to be unsettling, right, I. 152 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 5: Have had those experiences all my life, so no, it 153 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 5: didn't feel invasive. Oh, I used to have him. I 154 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 5: used to have telepathy when I was a child pretty routinely, 155 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 5: and I didn't think anything of it. There's just life. 156 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 5: I think my dad might have been telepathic. We don't 157 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 5: know much about his career in the military during World 158 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 5: War Two. We think he worked in South Texas interrogating 159 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 5: Africa Corps officers and Africa Core soldiers who were brought 160 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 5: there after they were captured. But he never said anything 161 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 5: about it, but he seemed to be very telepathic too. 162 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 4: News. Okay, when we come back, we're going to talk 163 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 4: more with Whitley about these sihabilities and how the visitors 164 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 4: use those abilities. You're listening to be Beyond Contact on 165 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 4: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. 166 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 4: We are back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking with mister 167 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 4: Whitley Strieber about the telepathic abilities the visitors seem to 168 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 4: have and how it relates to some of the new 169 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 4: findings we are making in autistic non speaking children. Willie, 170 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 4: These discoveries seem to my end to the longtime argument 171 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 4: that humanity has had, whether it's the mind holding our 172 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 4: consciousness versus the mind being a receiver that taps into 173 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 4: like a larger consciousness or Akashic records, which do you 174 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 4: feel is happening, you know, regarding the visitors and how 175 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 4: we're doing this. The brain is a mechanism. It's like 176 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 4: a plug that's plugged into a larger field, the field 177 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 4: of consciousness. We are not, as the neurologists say, isolated 178 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 4: inside our heads at all. That's not true. 179 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 5: You can be, but you can and that's the way 180 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 5: it mostly feels in life. And I'm alone in here, 181 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 5: But if you let yourself open up, then it becomes 182 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 5: quite a different world. And the difficulty is this, we 183 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 5: have imaginations and the imagination and can take over very quickly, 184 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 5: and all of a sudden you're getting downloads and everything 185 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 5: that are basically coming from your own mind, and you're 186 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 5: even more isolated than before when you're going out and saying, oh, 187 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 5: I'm in touch with this for that spiritual being and etc. 188 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 5: And so forth. So the truth is this, if we 189 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 5: let ourselves open, the a whole nother level of reality 190 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 5: is right here inside you and around you, all around 191 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 5: you is beyond telepathy. The thing that prevents us from 192 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 5: doing this is ego. Now I'm not saying we should 193 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 5: reject our egos at all. They're very necessary. They're a 194 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 5: necessary part of verbal life, this life we live in, 195 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 5: this speaker in speaking world. And because you have to 196 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 5: be a self, you can't do this. But there's also 197 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 5: someone else in here. That someone else is the silent 198 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 5: presence that is kind of watching your life live be lived. 199 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 5: And it's when you can pay attention to that silent 200 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 5: presence and let it be part of your life that 201 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 5: your world really opens up. You know. 202 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 4: It also ties into this idea of our soul and 203 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 4: its detachment from the human body. Which has been spoken 204 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 4: about for centuries and centuries. Yet you have speculated that 205 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 4: the after death realm may somehow be related to or 206 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 4: tie into the visitor experience as well. Do you think 207 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 4: it's related to the outer body aspect? 208 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 5: Well, that's an interesting question. I can't go out of 209 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 5: my body on my own. The reason I think I 210 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 5: can't get out on my own is that they won't 211 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 5: let me. They will take me out. They've taken me 212 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 5: out quite a few times. But I think that they 213 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 5: don't trust me. I think that they think I'll play 214 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 5: practical jokes and things, and they're probably right, because it 215 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 5: is possible to make yourself visible in that state. I've 216 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 5: done that. 217 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 4: Why do you feel this, Guyson with the after death though, Like, 218 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 4: don't you've said that before that you think that death 219 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 4: is related somehow to this? 220 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, the Journeys out of the Body and you 221 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 5: Robert Monroe a little bit who wrote Journeys out of 222 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 5: the Body, and he was the first person to warn 223 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 5: me about community. He said, you realize this book's going 224 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 5: to cause you a lot of trouble. He read a 225 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 5: galley proof he was before it was published, And I said, no, 226 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 5: I didn't think of that, he said, well, get ready, 227 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 5: because it is and he was right. In any case, 228 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 5: visitors and the dead are kind of in the same space. 229 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 5: Are dead that we are based isolated in the body 230 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 5: in order to be fixed in the stream of time 231 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 5: so that we can have novel experience, and the visitors 232 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 5: enter the time stream with the bodies that they make. 233 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 5: They basically I go into the fourth mind in great 234 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 5: detail about the anatomy of these bodies and the way 235 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 5: they are partially physical biological, and partially partially mechanical and 236 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 5: so forth. So I think that they go into the 237 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 5: bodies in order to be in the stream of time, 238 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 5: and most of the world is outside of it. Most 239 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 5: of the world, most of reality, is not this. This 240 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 5: is something like a school that we do in order 241 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 5: to learn about ourselves. 242 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 4: Interesting, you know, the discrepancy within this phenomenon involving the 243 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 4: inner action with these beings. You feel that people who 244 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 4: claim that these are religious experiences are incorrect, even though 245 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 4: you just said it's related to the death, which some 246 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 4: people think these are possibly angels or spirits, And you 247 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 4: think the people that say that these visitors are angels 248 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 4: or demons are incorrect, And it's something entirely different, Isn't 249 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 4: that true? 250 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 5: I think that it's important not to try to reimagine 251 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 5: this in the context of our old beliefs, because those 252 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 5: beliefs aren't enough. If they were enough, this would be 253 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 5: a different world. They are very much like us in 254 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 5: a lot of ways. They're not higher beings, they are 255 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 5: not angels, they are not demons. They are part of 256 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 5: the consciousness and the journey of this whole universe, just 257 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 5: like us. 258 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 4: So when we talked earlier that the mind is not 259 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 4: isolated in our skull, that the mind is just tapping 260 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 4: into this giant acastac record or whatever term we want 261 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 4: to use for that mass consciousness, you're saying, these are 262 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 4: other beings that are also part of that network. 263 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 5: Is that Correa? Precisely, They're part of it, and they 264 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 5: are coalesced into being inside a larger consciousness without bodies. 265 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 5: And you know, I've been in that state. I've been 266 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 5: out of my body, so I know it's very real. 267 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 5: I wasn't part of it. I wasn't I didn't disappear 268 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 5: into a larger consciousness when I was out of my body. 269 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 5: I remained myself, and I remained in this world. In fact, 270 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 5: for the most part, the visitors showed me how I 271 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 5: could become an orb of light, and they showed me 272 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 5: how I could become a manifestation that would look like 273 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 5: a physical body. And I've done both things in the 274 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 5: other state and interacted with people in the who saw 275 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 5: me as a physical being and to a lesser extent, 276 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 5: as orbs, because believe me, when you're in that state, 277 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 5: they just stare at you, and you know, you think, 278 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 5: you know, he doesn't know it. You know we're friends, 279 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 5: he doesn't know it. I'm in this and so orbs 280 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 5: come in here in this apartment when I meditated quite often, 281 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 5: and I think to myself, you know, I try to 282 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 5: open my mind to them because I know that they 283 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 5: could be just other people from the neighborhood very easily. 284 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 5: And who are to attract Annie? What? 285 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 4: Or Annie? Maybe? 286 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 5: Annie? Oh, it's certainly. Annie is certainly involved. I mean 287 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 5: she's back there right behind me where you can see him. 288 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,719 Speaker 5: For a reason, and the reason is that, you know, 289 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 5: I feel like Annie's I wear both rings. I wear 290 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 5: both rings. I took her ring off her when I 291 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 5: put it on her when we were married, and took 292 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 5: it off her when she died. And I put it 293 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 5: on me, and as far as I'm concerned, we're together. 294 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 5: We wrote a book right after she died, called The 295 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 5: Afterlife Revolution. We wrote it together because she very skillfully 296 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 5: proved that she still existed. She did that at a 297 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 5: Western level of believability by coming to friends and telling 298 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 5: them to call me at moments when I was really 299 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 5: down in the dumps because of my grief. She did 300 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 5: this enough to where even I, who tend to be 301 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 5: much more skeptical than I sound today, had to say, yes, 302 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 5: it's real. She did this. 303 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 4: She's interesting to hear, and it's another case of consciousness 304 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 4: surviving death. When I come back to talk to Whitley 305 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 4: Moore about his brand new book, The Fourth Kind, which 306 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 4: delves into the aspects of psionics and the anatomy, brains, genetics, 307 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 4: beliefs and capabilities of the visitors. You're listening to Beyond 308 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 4: Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 309 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 4: podcast network. We are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain 310 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 4: Ron and we're speaking with Whitley Strieber. He's still writing 311 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 4: very important books. In this new one, The Fourth Mind, 312 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 4: sounds fascinating. Willy in this book, you claim that the 313 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 4: visitors have these set of abilities that you describe as 314 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 4: the fourth Mind, that includes powers such as telepathy, levitation, 315 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 4: and the ability to move heavy objects without machinery. Well, 316 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 4: this ties right into all these legends we've heard over 317 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 4: the years about how ancient structures were built, from Nan Medal, 318 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 4: the Pyramids to the stones at Ballbeck Lebanon. Is that 319 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 4: how you think these things were built? 320 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 5: Well, I think that Well, first, I don't know that 321 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 5: the visitors have the ability to move very heavy objects. 322 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 5: They probably do. But what they have that I have observed. 323 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 5: They have the ability to levitate, They have telepathy, and 324 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 5: they have the ability to move instantaneously from place to place. 325 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 5: And also, just as happened to a friend of mine 326 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 5: last week, they have the ability to take you and 327 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 5: move you right through a wall. You know. So they 328 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 5: do have certain of these abilities, and I think we 329 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 5: had them too. One in particular that I think that 330 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 5: there's plenty of evidence on the ground all over the 331 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 5: planet that we did have is the ability to move 332 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 5: very very heavy objects with the mind or with some 333 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 5: kind of a force within us. And there was a 334 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 5: man called ed Leids Skalnet who apparently had this ability, 335 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 5: he moved caral stones and it made something called the 336 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 5: Carl Castle in Homestead, Florida. And he did this, moved 337 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 5: them without any apparent means of movement. In other words, 338 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 5: he didn't have any crane or anything. He had some tools, 339 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 5: but he didn't have anything that moved them from the 340 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 5: quarry to the where he built the castle. No one 341 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 5: ever saw him do it either. He said that it 342 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 5: was an ancient Egyptian secret that he had learned. He 343 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 5: didn't say where, but he was from Lithuania, and Lithuania 344 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 5: is a place with a lot of magic still there, 345 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 5: so it's doable. Now, somebody did it. I believe we 346 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 5: have these powers because Ed had them. Therefore it's quite possible. 347 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 4: It was us in ballback. Isn't it true that then 348 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 4: these giant some of them were lifted and put on 349 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 4: top of another one. Yes, how did they lift that up? 350 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 5: Well? Probably it wasn't even very difficult for them. But 351 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 5: there's another thing at Baulbeck. The thousands upon thousands of 352 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 5: granite columns that are there all brought up from Aswan 353 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 5: in southern Egypt. And we don't have any evidence of 354 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 5: anything that the Egyptians had that could have transported them, 355 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 5: not alone, let alone the enormous number of them. Somebody 356 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 5: who had superior engineering abilities was here in the past. 357 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 5: And we're like children who always assumed that, you know, 358 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 5: what we have is the best. And the Eurocentric archaeologists 359 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 5: always looked down their noses at the people of the 360 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 5: past and say, oh, well, you know, we're far in 361 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,479 Speaker 5: advance of them. We know what they We know more 362 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 5: about the world world than they do. Did I don't 363 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 5: think so. I think it's turned around, And in the 364 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 5: fourth mind I talk about exactly why it's turned around 365 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 5: and what happened and why we are living in the 366 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 5: shadow of a much greater civilization. 367 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 4: It does seem like it's one or the other. Either 368 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 4: we had these abilities that we were able to move 369 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 4: these giant stones and somehow lost that technology, which is possible, 370 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 4: or we had help from elsewhere. 371 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 5: Right, yeah, that could be part of both, because it's 372 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 5: not a technology, it's a mental it's a state of 373 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 5: mind that we weren't. We didn't use a technology to 374 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 5: do this. We used our minds, I'm sure, to. 375 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 4: Lift the rocks like some sort of ability to move item. 376 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 4: We had a relationship to the planet. That's different, was 377 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 4: different then than it is now, and it was it 378 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 4: was beaten out of us basically by what we thought 379 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 4: at the time of as a war in space. And 380 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 4: who knows that could have been something real. You know, 381 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 4: if you look in the ancient Sanskrit texts, you see 382 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 4: stories of a war in space. But we know from 383 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 4: scientific research something that did happen that thirty thousand years 384 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 4: ago there was a supernova. The gamma rays from a 385 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 4: supernova arrived on Earth here into our Solar System, and 386 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,479 Speaker 4: we even have a few legends from different places in 387 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 4: the world of a time when there were two sons 388 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 4: in the sky, and we have a scar from this 389 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 4: gamma ray sheeting that took place of mass extinctions of 390 00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 4: large animals across Southeast Asia and Australia. Now fast forward 391 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 4: to twelve thousand years ago. The planet is in deep 392 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 4: in a nice age and suddenly the physical debris from 393 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 4: this supernova arrives. 394 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 5: And this debris consists of metals and all kinds of 395 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 5: iron and things that have been spit out by the supernova. 396 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 5: All of a sudden, this debris arrives in our Solar System, 397 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 5: moving at high speed, and this is why the result 398 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 5: of This is that this planet is sheeted by enormous 399 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,479 Speaker 5: numbers of bolides, little meteors, some of them no bigger 400 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 5: than a grain of sand. When they reach Earth, and 401 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 5: it primarily hits the sheet of it primarily hits the 402 00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 5: North American continent. This is why you find the outdoor 403 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 5: ungulates like mammoths. When we find them preserved in permafrost, 404 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 5: they often have food in their mouths, and this is 405 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 5: because they were hit by these things that penetrated any 406 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 5: and some scientists have actually found bits of meteor in 407 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 5: their bones. They just literally were hit by this and 408 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 5: dropped dead like a bullet out. Yeah, like a bullet exactly. 409 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 4: It's funny that people think of Whitley Street, or people 410 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 4: certainly outside our community, I should say, think of you 411 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 4: as the alien guy, let's say, but you, in fact 412 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 4: don't even use that term. You call them the visitors 413 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 4: because you don't know what this presence is. 414 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 5: No, I don't know where they're from. Maybe they are 415 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 5: from here, I mean up at the cabin in upstate 416 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 5: New York. They come out of caves that are in 417 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 5: iron and a seam of iron under the ground, so 418 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 5: that you know they're not coming from they don't arrive 419 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 5: in a flying saucer. They did once or twice, so 420 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 5: maybe they come from both above and below. Wow, incredible, Willy. 421 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 5: We got to take another break. This is our last one. 422 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 4: When we come back, we're going to talk with Whitley 423 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,959 Speaker 4: more about the Fourth Mind and some of the characteristics 424 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 4: of the visitors. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the 425 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 4: iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We 426 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 4: are back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking with Whitley Streeber. Willy, 427 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 4: I wanted to ask you how your views on the 428 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 4: and these encounters have evolved since you first wrote about 429 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 4: them in Communion. You've been having these for what forty 430 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 4: plus years now, right? 431 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, I've had I I you know, at first 432 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 5: it was encounters and they were very physical. Then not 433 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 5: long after that, it became obvious to us that these 434 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:33,719 Speaker 5: beings could enter our lives in our house invisibly and 435 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 5: then also visibly, and it became a relationship. One of them, 436 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 5: the lady on the cover of Communion, was almost became 437 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 5: like part of the family. And she didn't see her 438 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 5: very often, but she sure was there and the children 439 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 5: saw her. And when my son had a boy over 440 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 5: up to our cabinet. She didn't like it had such 441 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 5: a tongue in a light socket when he was three, 442 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 5: and she just thought that was meant he was completely irresponsible, 443 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 5: and she didn't want him anywhere around us. So that 444 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 5: night he was there, she kept coming up to the 445 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 5: bedside and waking me up, and I would see like 446 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 5: smoke pouring out the side of her mouth, and then 447 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 5: she'd project images of my son going to her house 448 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 5: in a cab and the cabby kidnapping him and all 449 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 5: kinds of things. This is the way she talked, was 450 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 5: in images in the head. And so I'm thinking maybe 451 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 5: we shouldn't have him around again, because she didn't like 452 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 5: him too much. Morning came and he said, mister Streeber, 453 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 5: something was here in the night in the bedroom, the 454 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 5: boy's bedroom. My son's bed was on one wall and 455 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 5: the guest bed was on the other wall, immediately across 456 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 5: from the door. And what she been doing she had 457 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 5: long snaky fingers that you know they have. I go 458 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 5: into this in detail in the fourth mind as to 459 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 5: exactly how their anatomy works, and they have four fingers, 460 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 5: and so she was and they have little claws on 461 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 5: the ends of them, and she was taking these around 462 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 5: the door and moving them up and down the door 463 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 5: and tapping on the door with their fingernails their claws, 464 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 5: and he was just scared to death, he said, mister Streebert, 465 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 5: he described this happening. Would you please take me home today? 466 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 5: And I said, of course I will, and I took 467 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 5: him home. We never saw him again. That would have 468 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 5: been me. I would not well. But anyway, that's the 469 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 5: level of relationship then. Then now it's different. I do 470 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 5: have physical encounters with them sometimes once in a blue 471 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 5: moon do I see them physically, the little gray people. 472 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 5: But I've seen them enough to where you know, let's 473 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 5: there's detailed descriptions of their anatomy and the fourth mind, 474 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 5: and it's quite correct. But mostly it's like I was 475 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 5: at a meeting yesterday evening. I was very tired. I'd 476 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 5: gotten up at six and gone swimming, and the meeting 477 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 5: was up in Malibu, and I live in Santa Monica, 478 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 5: so it's a long trek up there because the highway 479 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 5: that used to be the easy highway to take is 480 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 5: closed because of the fires that happened here in January. 481 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 5: So I fell asleep at the meeting, and immediately an 482 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 5: invisible finger tapped me on the shoulder, wake me up. 483 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 5: And I am touched like that all the time day. 484 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 5: It's there's always a presence here and it's become a 485 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 5: very loving friendship. And I write my books with them. 486 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 5: I wake up at three o'clock pretty much every morning 487 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 5: and work with them because that's the time of day 488 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 5: that your mind is most open. It's called brahma with 489 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 5: hearth at time in yoga, and it is the and 490 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 5: it's about an hour and a half before dawn, and 491 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 5: I wake up then and or they wake me up 492 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 5: either way, I mean they can. They do wake me 493 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 5: up from time to time. If I don't wake up enough, 494 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 5: they'll wake me up. And if I still don't get 495 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 5: up when they're trying to wake me up, then they 496 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 5: get pissed off. And you don't want that to happen. 497 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 5: That they are. They have a definite temper at least 498 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 5: when it comes to me. Even in when Annie was alive, 499 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 5: I would say, from time to time, you know, I 500 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 5: think they're pissed off at me, and she said, yeah, 501 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 5: of course they are. Everybody gets pissed off at you. 502 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,479 Speaker 5: What's about that? That's been the theme of today show. 503 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 4: Really, you know, you said that they don't control you, 504 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,280 Speaker 4: and they can't control you, but do you ever wonder 505 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 4: if they are perhaps manipulating you in some way. I 506 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 4: recently read an article about AI and they said, as 507 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 4: it gets smarter, it may in fact be manipulating us 508 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 4: and we won't even be aware of it. Is that 509 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 4: possible that that's happening to you? I could not imagine 510 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 4: that it wouldn't be happening. Of course it's happening. I 511 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 4: write my books with them, so sure they're manipulating me. 512 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 4: They're giving me ideas. I have an implant in my 513 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 4: ear that I use as a research tool, and they're 514 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 4: who's on the other side of it. But this presence, including. 515 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 5: Usuating it feels more like a partnership, Like you're right, Yeah, 516 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 5: that's that's what I was getting to. It's very much 517 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 5: of a partnership. I'm you know, because my books are 518 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:57,879 Speaker 5: about helping people understand this, and there's no one else 519 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 5: in the world writing books quite like this. And you know, 520 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 5: they're very devoted to these books, very devoted, and I 521 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 5: am too. I mean, this is my life and I 522 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 5: try hard to make this partnership work as best I 523 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:23,240 Speaker 5: can so that what I write does reflect the community's wish. 524 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,720 Speaker 5: And when I say community, I'm talking about a large 525 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:34,359 Speaker 5: community of un non physical beings that are. They come 526 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 5: in here, as I say, physically, only very rarely, but 527 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 5: mostly they're in a non physical state. She is. I 528 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 5: think she's like the tap on the shoulder at the 529 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 5: meeting we've been I've been going to. It's a meeting 530 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 5: of a sort of a discussion group, and I've been 531 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 5: going to it for years. Annie loved it, and I 532 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 5: think it was her. I think she's she's She's waked 533 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,800 Speaker 5: me up and done various things many times at the meeting, 534 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 5: and I think it's because she's there too, participating in 535 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 5: the meeting and using my body as her means of communication. 536 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 5: I think she comes in here with me quite frequently, 537 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 5: and I think they do too, and I'm perfectly content 538 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 5: with that. That's why she called the book the first 539 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 5: book Communion in the first place. It's about having a 540 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 5: deeper relationship of a kind we don't normally have in life, 541 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 5: with this other level of presence. And Wow, what do 542 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:35,320 Speaker 5: you think of the term NHI non human intelligence? Ah 543 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:40,760 Speaker 5: that you know it separates us. It's a separating term. 544 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 5: I mean, I use it. People use it, especially in 545 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,360 Speaker 5: the government and the military, and the academics and science, 546 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 5: different communities that are beginning to respond to that. But 547 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 5: I always say, you know, why should we think of 548 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 5: them as different from us. We're all part of the 549 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 5: same journey, and so non human intelligence. I would just say, 550 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 5: we are part of consciousness and some of it is 551 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 5: intelligent and some of it is not, But that doesn't 552 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 5: mean it is not self aware. 553 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 4: I think I would put the humans in the non 554 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 4: intelligent part. 555 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,440 Speaker 5: I would guess right, Oh no, no, don't make that mistake. 556 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 5: Humans are highly intelligent. We're more intelligent than the visitors. 557 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 5: The visitors have essentially one mind in many bodies, and 558 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,959 Speaker 5: when they come to something, they come to it right. 559 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 5: In other words, they know things that are true about 560 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 5: the universe much more than we do. But we know 561 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 5: many more things than they do, and we're much faster, 562 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 5: and we will catch up with them very quickly. Like 563 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 5: you know, five years ago, had you ever heard of 564 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 5: artificial intelligence? Now you use it every single day of 565 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:05,120 Speaker 5: your lines. 566 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 4: Right, That is fascinating stuff. Whitley, always great talking to you. 567 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 4: I appreciate you taking the time with us today. You 568 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 4: guys can find Whitley at Unknown Country dot com. Part 569 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 4: of the reason that I hope that we get vindication 570 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 4: for all of this is for someone like yourself, where 571 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 4: I feel like the bravery of you coming forward and 572 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,839 Speaker 4: sharing your experiences with us, I hope get vindicated one day. 573 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 4: You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at CD 574 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:36,360 Speaker 4: Underscore Captain Ron. 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