1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glazer, a mental health podcast 2 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: helping you out of the gray and into the blue. 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: Now here's Jay Glazer. Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental health 4 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: podcast with Jay Glazer. I am Jay Glazer, and look, 5 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,319 Speaker 1: I've talked about needing teammates in my life and the 6 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: guy I'm having on right now is one of the 7 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: baddest motherfucker's who have ever walked the face of the earth. 8 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: So for all the men out there who are nervous 9 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: or worried about opening up to other dudes about all 10 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: they're gonna call you a woos or oh it's gonna 11 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: take away your manhood. This is the baddest motherfucker on 12 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: the planet. And it's one of the guys I call 13 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: when I'm struggling and I'm hurting. I call him up 14 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: and I said, dude, do me a favor coming over 15 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: the house. I'm struggling today, I'm hurting, and basically coming 16 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: over and spark with me and punched me in the 17 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: face so I can feel a lot better. And with that, 18 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: I welcome in a man whose nickname is the Masking Machine, 19 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: who was one of the pioneers of mixed martial arts. 20 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: He is a former heavyweight champ of the world. He 21 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: was one of one. At one point he was the 22 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: baddest dude on this planet. Again, my friend Mark Kerr, welcome, 23 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: my brother, Hey Jay, thank you for the introduction and 24 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: that it's uh, you know, it's it's it's amazing. And 25 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: you know, I've learned, like you've learned over time that 26 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: that call sometimes is the hardest phone call to make, 27 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: you know, when you when you're in that funky space, 28 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: you know, but when you call me up, I look 29 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: towards to it because usually as much as you get 30 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: out of it, I tell I get probably ten times 31 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 1: as much. I mean, I'd like punching you, but you know, 32 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: usually works out really really well. But you know it's 33 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: not true. I mean, if anybody saw I was trained together, 34 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 1: I would say, if you counted wicks um I take, 35 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: I'd probably take more just because you know anyway, for 36 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: it's a lot of reasons why think more so people 37 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: who know are my strategy. Okay, and this is something 38 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: that you know I picked up usk Ale from Randy 39 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: tour right, who you wrestled in the n C Double 40 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: A Finals one year. Okay, But our thing is like man, 41 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: We're not more authotic anybody than anybody else. We're not 42 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: bigger than anybody else. We're not faster anybody else. We're not. 43 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: So I've just got like my output has to be 44 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: so much more. I've gotta be fucking relentless. So if 45 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: you throw one, I throw ten. And also I'm not 46 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: a loosis something they hit a lot, right, So that's 47 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: the thing. So market here is talking about me hitting 48 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: it more. That's because he throws one out, I'm gonna 49 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: throw ten because eventually, and by the way I go 50 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: about life the same way where I throw so many 51 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: fucking haymakers, eventually you're gonna go, holy sh it, I 52 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 1: didn't sign up for this. Get him the funk off 53 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 1: me just enough. Stop. So that's I use it in life. 54 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: I use it in fighting and just trying to be 55 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: fucking relentless, relentless, relentless. So I'll take my beating for 56 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: a while, but just keep it coming and keep going forward, 57 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: keep going for and that's how I so I got 58 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: to where I am as an NFL insider. It took 59 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: me eleven years to get a full job with that 60 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: same thing. So it's just um and even so, like 61 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: for me though, you know, I want people understand who 62 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: Mark is. So I'm gonna interrupt you here, Jake, because 63 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: that it's interesting because just the other day you had 64 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: said something where, uh, just you're in a place in 65 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: life right now where sometimes that relentlessness you you you 66 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: almost need to learn to dial it back some and 67 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 1: you know that's with your relationship with Rosie, you know. 68 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: And that's the hardest thing. Yeah, now you do because 69 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: it's because it's pain divid into your whole life. The 70 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: relentlessness that showman sparring is absolutely correct. It's it's it's 71 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: a it's a mirror for how you've how you've gotten 72 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: to where you've gotten to. And I think the hardest thing, 73 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of times for for me is 74 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: to make that adjustment to find that little balance between 75 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: that push as hard as you can in that Hey dude, 76 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: you know they laid back, you know, so so there 77 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: there's balance, and it's I'm still trying to find it. 78 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: That's my strategy when I'm trying to you know, win 79 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: business seals or get to where I am and like 80 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: wor go against a guy like you who um, folks, 81 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: I only had two fights and then Fox, maybe stop fighting, right. 82 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 1: I then had a switch and coach. So I'm not 83 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: a fighter in that sense like you know these guys are. Um, 84 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: I've been in there with him, but I'm not that. 85 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: But Mark again, what got me to fight in the 86 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: first place. It was Mark. HBO did a documentary on 87 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: him called The Smashing Machine. And back then when Mark fought, 88 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: there were no gloves, no time limit. You could head butt, 89 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: you could tear up and cuts, you could socker dudes 90 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: heads and there was no fame and no glory. And 91 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: I literally looked in and go, oh my god, that's 92 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: where I want to be. That's why I belo. And 93 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: I was already honest at the time, but I was like, 94 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: that's what makes me feel special, make me till those 95 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: early days. Oh my god, man, there's I mean, you 96 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: framed it correctly. I mean there you know, there was 97 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: very little to stop you from doing whatever you wanted 98 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: to do. I mean the implemented. Really The example I 99 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: give is, you know, just an obviously like Gary Goodridge, 100 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: they instituted the Gary Goodridge rule, and Gary Goodridge, in 101 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: a fight down in Brazil, reached in this guy's shorts, 102 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: grabbed his nuts, and twisted it as hard as he could, 103 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: and you could see from the camera angle the guy 104 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: just dropped down. And then they go, well, we're gonna 105 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: have to institute that one rule, no no nuts grabbing. 106 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: But you're out of everything, you're allowed to do everything else. 107 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: So it was absolutely nutzy. And I don't think, looking 108 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: back on it, if I fully understood it that I 109 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: probably would have, you know, went ahead and signed on 110 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: the dotted line. But once you were in it, you 111 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: were in it. You know. Once I was doing it, 112 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: I was doing it. There was no you know, if 113 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: I was doing and I was doing it from a 114 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: very primal perspective, it was doing it from I was 115 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: going to protect my village. You know. That's the way 116 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: I felt, you know, as as protecting. You know, it 117 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: just it draws out, you know, like fighting in general 118 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: just draws out. And people I believe they're just they're 119 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: absolute primal nature. And you know, I I always thought 120 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: I had it in me, But until I stepped in 121 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: the ring is when it was confirmation that I had 122 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: that in me, that that came right down to it, 123 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: that you know, I could I could fight some of 124 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: the the death. You know, that's the way it felt 125 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: inside me. You know, um, you know, because I I 126 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: think as a as a competitor, I always knew as competitive, 127 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: I always felt like, man, maybe I wasn't always reaching 128 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 1: the potential that I thought that, you know when I 129 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: think in the back of my head, you know, I 130 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: always had this a little bit of doubt of like, really, 131 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: am I really that? You know? Am I that competitive fight? 132 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: Back in those days? May fight at all? Fight at all? 133 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: You know? And you've heard me talk about this, I said, 134 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: regardless if it's in you know, considered like an amateur 135 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: or this or that, if you get in the ring, man, 136 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: you got my respect. No, I don't cared, and I 137 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: don't care if you're owning a hundred and sixteen you 138 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: have are no doubt you have respects. You're willing to 139 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: do something that ent in the world or unwilling or 140 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: unable to do. Absolutely yeah. So but but again you're 141 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: doing at a time when it's not like, you know, 142 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: the UFC was big or anything back then like it 143 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: is now. So tell me about when you first your 144 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: first fight, when you got in there, so you don't 145 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: you're fighting the unknown because you don't have any film 146 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: to really see what's going on? So you get in 147 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: your first fight, you have no gloves, there's no rules 148 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: set telling people where it is. Uh and how fucking 149 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: either psycho horrified? You are the reality? And I got 150 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: down to Brazil. It was in San Paulo, Brazil, was 151 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: in the basement of a hotel called the Max su Plaza, 152 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: and it's its ring. Like my first time down into 153 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: the bowels. How did they find you in the first place? Uh? 154 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: This local trainer here in town had said, hey, you know, 155 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: it's you know, I said, usually set it up like 156 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: this that year amateur wrestling I had just finished in nine, 157 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: I said, I was done. Um that year, working full 158 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: time as an assistant coach, all these other things. I 159 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: made twenty three thousand dollars. Okay. The guy that approached 160 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: me with this fight in in sam Paulo, Brazil, said 161 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 1: I'll get you twenty five thousand dollars for one night. 162 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: So right there, you got my attention, right, And so 163 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: I end up he ended up saying, hey, listen, it's 164 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: gonna be this competition. You're gonna be the most athletic. 165 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: He doesn't really give it much more deep tailed than that, 166 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, I'll change for it. And he's like, 167 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: you know, change me for it. And we get down 168 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: to Brazil and it's literally literally in the bowels of 169 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: this hotel and I go down there like when we 170 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: first arrived, and it's it's this ring in this small 171 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: little I don't even know what you can call it 172 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: a conference room. It was more like almost it felt 173 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: like it was like the storage area they had cleaned 174 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 1: out to make rooms for the ring. The locker rooms 175 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: were just dividers like practitioners you would put into like 176 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: an office space, and you know, he's like okay. And 177 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: the rules meeting was just really simple. It was like, okay, 178 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: you know they would only allow you to tape your 179 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: hands down to just short of your knuckles. That was 180 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: the rule. Like you can use tape on your on 181 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: your hands, but you can only take down to just 182 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: short of your knuckles. How many fights in the one 183 00:09:58,040 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: night were you gonna do? You know you're gonna have? 184 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: I knew I was gonna have three, and I knew 185 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: I was gonna have three. And the way it was 186 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: described to me as like, hey, listen, you're you're you 187 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: know the fight should be over quick. The first couple 188 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: you should. And the first guy that pair me with 189 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: is you know, just on size alone. It was Paul Barlin's. 190 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: He's six you know, Paul's passed away since then, but 191 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: he's you know, six foot seven, he's like three hundred 192 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: seventy three, and I need pounds just you know, we're 193 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: brainwashould think bigger is badder and it has nothing to 194 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: do with fighting, and I didn't hadn't realized that at 195 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 1: that point. And I remember looking across the ring from 196 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: and going like, holy fuck, man, this dude's big. Man 197 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: like looking at him, and I remember, I remember my 198 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: goats was kind of looking at me and goes, you'll 199 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: know what to do, and he was. He was right, 200 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: I mean everything at once the bell rang, Everything became 201 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: a reaction, and I just reacted to it. Did what 202 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: I do. I took him down to the ground that 203 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: you know, just started neeing him in the face, and 204 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: that set in the motion just kind of like butterflies 205 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: are gone. I understood what was going on and knew 206 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: like the next guy wanted to just get out, and 207 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: then I ran into the Paul Varlin's was a couple 208 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 1: of minute fight, just mangled him and and then I 209 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: fight this other guy, Mastro Hawk. That was a quick fight, 210 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: and then Fabio Gazelle and that that's when it was 211 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: like that was an eye opener. You know, Fabio Gazelle. 212 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: Everybody that was there in the audience that night was 213 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: there for him, and and it was probably god man, 214 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: they ended up stuff. I'm probably about probably six or 215 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 1: seven hundred people in this small little area and it 216 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: was all dude, it was all jiu jitsu guys, and 217 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: it was Fabio. And no matter what I did do him, 218 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: no matter how hard I had butted him, how many 219 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: cuts I dug into, how many elbows I threw, how 220 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: many he just would not quit. And I mean that, 221 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: like I honestly felt like there was moments where in 222 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: my head I was like, Okay, I'm just gonna head 223 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: button like five more times. And then she quit And 224 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: I fractured his orbital I broke his nose, um, I 225 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: chipped teeth in his mouth. I mean, like, Jay, it 226 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: was you've seen some of the I mean, it's it 227 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: was just messy. And he went quit. It just went quit. 228 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: And that was like the introduction to like really like 229 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: you know, like my perception of what I thought tough 230 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: was um like, he took it to a whole new 231 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: level of like just a just didn't matter, didn't matter 232 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: what I did do him. He was not that he 233 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: was not going to give up. Incredible. So when you 234 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:42,719 Speaker 1: went into the UFC, how is that different? UFC was 235 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: a little bit more theatrical. You know, it's a little 236 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: bit more you know, um what what? Which was your 237 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: first UC? UFC fourteen and you know part part of 238 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 1: the UFC, it's the last couple to set the stage 239 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:59,479 Speaker 1: for for your listeners, it's the last couple of tournaments 240 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: they had had. I believe fifteen or sixteen was the 241 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: last tournament they had and then they just switched the 242 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: individual about people can look it up, but it's one 243 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: of those where I know they were phasing it out. Yeah, 244 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: you know, the UFC was it was different, but it 245 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:23,119 Speaker 1: was one where it was still run like um an underground. 246 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: That's that's facing what it was. At the at the 247 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 1: time that I ended up fighting for the UFC, they 248 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: had alienated every boxing commission in the United States. The 249 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: only places they were having fights were Alabama in Mississippi 250 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 1: that either didn't have at the time a boxing commission 251 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: or the Boxing Commission just looked the other way. It was. 252 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: It was that much of a of a hit show 253 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: for you, it really was. So now then you gotta Pride, 254 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 1: which is in Japan, which is where none of the 255 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: we met there, right, because I was the first host 256 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 1: of an mm A show in America, national mm A show, um. 257 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: Because I had signed a deal with Fox to do 258 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 1: the NFL and UFC, and two weeks after I signed, 259 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: Dana had brought the UFC from Fox to We did 260 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: a show on Best damn Sports shal period and we 261 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: did fight there and then it got moved from here 262 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: to to Spike TV to do The Ultimate Fighter. But 263 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: it's still part of my contract. People don't know this. 264 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: That's how Proude got to America and that's how we 265 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: got on Fox. And because it was part of my 266 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: initial deal Fox in two thousand and four is when 267 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: that whd al right, So, but we had to go 268 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: to Japan and deal with them, and you basically dealing 269 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: with the Japanese mafia, you know, cotton to deal with them, 270 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: and it was the Wild West. So you get paid 271 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: twenty five grand fight Brazil. How much you get paid 272 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: to fight in the UFC. The UFC was thousand. I 273 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: ended up signing a three ideal at the time. Uh 274 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: so then like the Japanese it was just another and 275 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: that was like six figures. Yeah yeah, I wait, I 276 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: don't want to put your tax sh it out. But 277 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: if you walk into these ruins and when we're doing 278 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: Pride and they have all the stacks of money stacked 279 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: up with every like country of fighters, and they were 280 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: just they have like let's say this guy from um, 281 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: you know, England was fighting and he was getting two 282 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: two hundred thousand pounds. Didn't have two hundred thousand pounds 283 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: two grand for that guy in cash, and then two 284 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: hundred thousand they put like in a pillowcase for sack 285 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: something to give to the Japanese government or whatever it is, 286 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: you know what they're doing with it, right, and then 287 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: just pushed the cash across the table to you. M yeah, yeah, 288 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: I mean they like they didn't like you have no background, 289 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: Like there's no thing in my life to this point 290 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: which has taught me any kind of etiquette for this, right, 291 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: Like I I don't I don't know what to do. 292 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, it's like it is literally it's 293 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: it's written like a Hollywood script because you go into 294 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: hotel room you could still smoke heavily, you know, in 295 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: hotel rooms that's usually at the time was usually at 296 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: least a couple to three Japanese guys in they're smoking cigarettes, 297 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: and you know, they pull your contract around, they'd read 298 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: it to you and write it and then they get 299 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: these you know at their shade cases up which are square, 300 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: which fit money in a currency, and they open it 301 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: up and they'd just start piling out on the and 302 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: I like, literally, you you look at it, and I 303 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: remember the one time, one of the first times, I 304 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: remember like getting my shirt out and like trying to 305 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: like take the money and like stupid my shirt. And 306 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: then I was like, oh man, listen, like this is 307 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: not gonna water because I still had to go back 308 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: at the hotel back in the in the elevator, which 309 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: nobody is, nobody's gonna mess with you at all. They 310 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: kind of understand what's going on. It's run by the 311 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: job of his of course. Yeah, so that's when I 312 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: go and I could literally go to the bed, just 313 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: take a pillow case and go to the table and 314 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: scoot it on the you know, scoot it on the 315 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: pillow case and and literally walked down to my room. 316 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: So it was by far. I mean, it was some 317 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: of the best times. I can look back on it 318 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: now and realize that it is. At the time, it 319 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: was just no one can believe. Like you tell the 320 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: story to other people and they go, oh yeah, yeah, 321 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: the other fighters now, but you and I have done together, 322 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: and they look at us like, oh, come on, there's 323 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 1: no way happened. It's crazy, Like, oh no, that's how 324 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: it was. No, No, it's tally operated. It was. It was. 325 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: It was standard operating procedure. Man, it really was. Well, 326 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 1: you know, before you even get into that, I do 327 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 1: want to tell people because you've told us to a 328 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: girl who's fighting for us and I'm breakable. You give 329 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: her advice about what your mindset is. What's your mindset 330 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: when you get in that ring, that cage that you 331 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: would give to every fighter out there. You talked about 332 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: smelling blood, you talked about and talk about just the fear. 333 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: How you deal with that fear. You know a lot 334 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: of it took me a while to figure this out, 335 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 1: you know. I I call it reframing, reframing language before 336 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: I you know, the anxiety and stuff and all of 337 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,360 Speaker 1: that you get, you know, the nervousness and all that, 338 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: and then then realized one thing, you know, I realized 339 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 1: how privileged I was to be able to do what 340 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: I was doing. And I realized that it wasn't anxiety 341 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 1: or fear I was feeling. It was excitement and it 342 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: was genuinely I learned to really appreciate that moment that 343 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: all my senses were just getting stimulated to where, you know, 344 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: and it leads me into this. It's like one of 345 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: the one of the main reasons in a fight, I 346 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: tried to get somebody to bleed, you know, off it 347 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 1: like right when we started fighting, because that smell of blood. 348 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: It kicked in like this primal you know, are winning in, 349 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: you know, feeling of like you know, I'm I'm defending 350 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: my life, but I'm defending the village behind me as well. 351 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: You know, my smell would be so highlighted. It's you know, 352 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: I could literally literally stand twenty ft away from the 353 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: guy I was fighting and I could smell what kind 354 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: of sweaty had. I could smell nervous sweat, which is 355 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: a stinky, pungent or I could smell like sweat, like 356 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: just water salt. You know, it was this weird and 357 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: I thought it was weird until I started talking to 358 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: other people about it, going, hey, yeah, I kind of 359 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: have the same ocency because it's one where it's like, yeah, 360 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: you know, you're gonna tell a story about you smelling 361 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: some guy's body odor across the room. Someone's gonna look 362 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: at you like you're a little bit nuts. But you know, 363 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: at the time, it was like, you know, it's like 364 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: I could literally smell him, I could smell the iron 365 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: in his blood. I could just this feeling of anticipation, 366 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: ex sitement. It was like this feeling of like just 367 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: an unbelievable overload of senses, but focused and directed, you know. 368 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: And that's what that's kind of the areas whereas we're 369 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 1: talking about the fighter, it's like you need to embrace 370 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: those moments and you know, lean into it and you 371 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: you you learn to appreciate just that moment because there's 372 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: nothing else in your life that's going to give you that, 373 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: and even appreciate the fear, Appreciate the moments that cause 374 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: you to be afraid because you're doing something that's just 375 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: so different. And this could really translate to other areas 376 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: of life like even areas that you're afraid of things, 377 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: embrace it. You're like, hey, I appreciate I'm afraid of 378 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 1: that's right now because I'm doing something that's out of 379 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: my comfort zone. M h oh, a hundred percent. And 380 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: you know, for myself, you know, I'm like a late 381 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: bloomer and what's going on in my life now and 382 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure all this business stuff out and 383 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's scary for me, but you know, 384 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: but I can look back on, you know, what it 385 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: felt like to get in the ring, what it felt 386 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: like to be in that place of fear or anxiety, 387 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 1: and understand that it's a privilege still for me. You know, 388 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: even though I'm afraid of it, I don't know the 389 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: outcome of it. I'm still gonna work my way through it. 390 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: I'm still gonna fight my way through that fear of 391 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: anxiety or whatever it is, because realistically, it's a privilege, man, 392 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: It's a privilege to have that. You know, I can 393 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: sit back and I can go to work at you know, 394 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: wherever and take all the fear out of my life. 395 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: Right I could, you know, living on one bedroom shock, 396 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: I cannot have any you know if there's so many 397 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: things that I could do to make my life comfortable, 398 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: and it's just like, you know, to what end? You know, 399 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: to what end? The other was? You and I talk 400 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: a lot is because we're both sucked up. You know, 401 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: we're I say, we're sucked up, but we're good with 402 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: our fun. You've done more work than I have to 403 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 1: learn to be good with your more. You're funked up. 404 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: This and this was all this was in the fast machine. 405 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 1: It's we saw you had different addictions. How many you 406 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: know something a's or you in um like like basically 407 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: tell everybody what happened after fighting because you want to um, Yeah, 408 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: I you know what I understand now, Jay's that I 409 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: was trying to treat with alcohol and drugs, a lot 410 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: of different stuff that was going on with me, um, 411 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: mental health lives. You know, I am, you know, not 412 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: understanding any of it. And you know, once once I 413 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: got caught in that loop, it just is really hard 414 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: to break, you know, because he'd come out of a student. 415 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: You know, I would come out of a stupor and 416 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 1: I'd have a moment of consciousness where I'm thinking straight, 417 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 1: and then I would get trapped in that place again 418 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: where I would be like, you know, okay, and I 419 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: would start self medicating again. I would doing this and 420 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: doing that, and you know, it just it ended up. 421 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: And you know, by the time I ended up looking up, 422 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: you know, twelve years of my life, thirteen years of 423 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: my life had gone by, you know, and then you 424 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: and I run into each other again, and it's just 425 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: this perfect convergence, you know, because I I haven't done 426 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: any of that stuff and know alcohol are drugs and 427 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: in quite a long time. And you know, understanding that, um, 428 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,959 Speaker 1: you know that that you would put my life for 429 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: a reason, man, because I I you know, like I said, 430 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,360 Speaker 1: it's you know, the days you call me, hey man, 431 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 1: I really need you up here and stuff like that. 432 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: You know, I'm getting just as much out of it. 433 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: I understand that. You know, my mental health is based 434 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: on the actions I take, not by what I take, 435 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: you know, And it's a big difference. It's it's a 436 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: big difference, you know. And you know I put better 437 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: people in my life around me, you know, I better, 438 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: you know, a better personal relationship with you know, with 439 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: the woman in my life right now. And you know, 440 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: I have better relationships with my ex wife and a 441 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: better relationship with my son, and you know, and and 442 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: a lot of that is taken. It's taken a lot 443 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: of trial and error, you know, which took more out 444 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: of you, the punches and elbows and kicks or the 445 00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: drugs and alcohol. Oh man, wow, you know the drugs 446 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: and alcohol. Man. I mean realistically, it's you know, I could, 447 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: I could literally get punched every every day, you know. 448 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: And they talk about in a they talk about like 449 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 1: incomprehensible demoralization, you know, and that that's the feeling of 450 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: like I'm gonna quit one more time, and you wake 451 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: up from a bender, you know, with this shame and guilt, 452 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: and they call it an incomprehensible demoralization. Even at that moment, 453 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: you're making all the promises in the world, I'm never 454 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 1: gonna do this again. I won't put myself through it, 455 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: I won't put my family through it, I won't put 456 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: my loved ones through it. And then a little bit 457 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,239 Speaker 1: goes by and you do it again, and then you 458 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 1: end up in this loop. And you know, I was 459 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: stuck in that loop for such a long time, and 460 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: you know, the you know, just the guilt that I felt, 461 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: the shame I felt and all these things. I just 462 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: I can't break free. Did you get started with drugs 463 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: and alcohol too? Um replaced the hide for fighting or 464 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 1: was it because of your mental health issues. I think 465 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: it was a little bit of a little bit of both, 466 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: and part of what I'm figuring out now looking back. 467 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: I was trying to replace something, and it's just this. 468 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 1: You know, you always chase the first thing, like you 469 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: chase like as a as an atticut, I'd always chase 470 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: that first feeling of you know, that first oh my god, 471 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: you four or you fork, you know. And it was 472 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 1: trying to replace that. Like I said, there's nothing in 473 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: the world that can replace that, like in Japan and 474 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: I'm getting ready to fight and there's ninety thousand people 475 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 1: in the arena and I'm walking down that the spotlights 476 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: on you. There's nothing going to replace that. I tried 477 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: and it can't do it, you know. And I I've 478 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: learned to go, okay, man, that that was an experience 479 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: that was incredible, you know, I've learned to look at 480 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: it for what it was. This is incredible gift life 481 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 1: gave me to have that experience. And you've heard me 482 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: talk about this. Bill Gates can't buy it. You know, 483 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos, he can't buy it. You know Elon Musk, 484 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: but he can't buy that feeling I had walking down 485 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: getting in a ring, me and another dude in nine 486 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: people in an arena, getting ready to fight. You can't 487 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: buy it. But it took you fifty years to realize that. Yeah, 488 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: took me a long time. And this is something else 489 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: like Mark and I, Um, there was a day he 490 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: said to me, Man, one of my struggles is that 491 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: like I used to be more Curb and I'm like, no, motherfucker, 492 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 1: you're Mark Curb. And I want everybody out there to 493 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: understand that just because he used to do something doesn't 494 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 1: mean that person is gone now that you're not doing 495 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: it anymore. If you've done it once, you're that person. 496 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: Use that build up that equity. And as I said 497 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 1: this to Mark, no, you're fucking mark Er the kid 498 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: that we're at the gym market, I the kid behind 499 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: the dusk said to me, excuse me, find a chat 500 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: to you Mark urr r. Yeah. I want people to 501 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 1: understand that that I think we chase a lot of 502 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: past glories and that leads to a lot more mental 503 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: health issues instead of being proud for what we've done. 504 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: And it took you a long time to realize. Yeah, 505 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: no one could spend in every athlete out there. I 506 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: want them to hear this, that people can't spend billions 507 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: and billions and billions of dollars to get what you 508 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: have behind your rib cage. And you can't buy that. 509 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: And once you've had it, you've had it. You have 510 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: to look like look at it like it's always back 511 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: there behind your rib cage as a metal on your wall, 512 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: and nothing could take that off except you. Yeah, you know, 513 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: they're there's a there's a three borough like I understand this, 514 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: but there's a feeling of like when I finally got it, 515 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: you know, when I finally got it, you know, I 516 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: can intellectualize it and say yeah, you know it's like 517 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 1: he's telling me you can never, but you know it's 518 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: it's genuinely it's a feeling. You know, it's a feeling 519 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: of like, you know, you can't take that from me. 520 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: You know I've earned that. That's you know, something I've 521 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: earned it actually took that, and you know, quite a 522 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: few more conversations with you, you know, for me to 523 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: work through some of that, because that's some of the 524 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: stuff that you know that that I had difficulty around 525 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: is and I think every athlete does. I don't think 526 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: there's one athlete that you know walks away from any 527 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: sport and just easily transitions in their regular life and 528 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: just as just in it. You know, I look at 529 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: it like it's a it's a tall task, but you 530 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: can you can work through it. You know you can 531 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: work through it. And you know I I try to 532 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: drugs and alcohol to run from it. And you know, 533 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: now I'm embracing the fact that, hey man, that's my experrits. Man, 534 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: you don't have to keep doing it over and over 535 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: and over to say you did it. And I want 536 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: people to really understand. Give me and again you're in 537 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: like I learned a lot from you. And I call 538 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: Mark because we get each other. But you've been in 539 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: alcoholics anonymous nor products anonymous, um and you come up 540 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: with different things. Give me, like the most important thing 541 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: that you have learned as an addict that man, you 542 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: could you know in part on our listeners, you know 543 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: the like what I've learned for myself is a lot 544 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: of what I didn't understanding. And I grew up in 545 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: an alcoholic family. And you know, I didn't understand how, how, 546 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: how that really impacted me. You know, as as a 547 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: as a child, you can't choose your parents. You can't 548 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: choose you know, you live with them. They impact you 549 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: almost like your parents are godlike figures and they impact you. 550 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: And what I've understood through my recovery from alcoholism and 551 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: drug addiction and stuff like that is understanding where I 552 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: came from and how that impacted me. Um has just 553 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: such a huge importance on my recovery. And you know, 554 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,479 Speaker 1: the first thing is you need to be you know, 555 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: I had to be off the drugs, off alcohol, and 556 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: then I could then I could look at everything else. 557 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: You know, but without being sober, it doesn't really matter 558 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: what I do. It's just you get caught in this loop. 559 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: I was caught in this loop that just wouldn't let 560 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: me go. It wouldn't let me go. So anybody out 561 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: a little kid and you know, and that that's it. 562 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: That's that's literally it. Man. Like I've had to like 563 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: look at my you know, six year old self. You know, 564 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: like what you're talking about, Man, I'm gonna start crying 565 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: if I talk about it. So you're good brother, you know, 566 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: you're safe for me and all our teammates are safe. 567 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: That day I was at the house when you got 568 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: that good Thailand and you're talking about like, what would 569 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: you say the six year old day? Yeah, I said, 570 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: times sit in my pain and put my arm around 571 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: a little yeah, yeah, and give a hug and showing 572 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: compassionate because he never felt like yeah, incredible, And I 573 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: want people here and understand. Here again, here are two 574 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: bad motherfucker's sitting here crying hopefully in front of the public, 575 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: in front of America. Right now, nothing about this makes 576 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: us weak. Now you know what's strengthen my vulnerability, you know, 577 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: and you know, part of healing myself is to completely 578 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: get that, completely get that. You know, if I'm not 579 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: willing to dig below the services I'm doing myself. Such 580 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: a disservice, man, such a disservices is a human being 581 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: because other people look at us and they go, you know, 582 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: he's and it's like, now, man, I you know what, man, 583 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: The part that's that people are attracted to me in 584 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: me is my vulnerability, Yes very much. Yeah, I'm the 585 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: only one track to you because you punched me in 586 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: the face. Nobody else. That's a little Oh man, amazing though, 587 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: But this is again I want all the dudes out 588 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: there to hear this, and all the women listening to 589 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: let their dudes listen this go. Man, this dude's a 590 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: killer and he's crying to Jay openly. Yeah, there's there's 591 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: no there's no shaming it. Instead of admiring you for it, 592 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: you admire me for it when I cry to you. 593 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: And that's that's where. That's how we have to change 594 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: this world. We've got to start being open and vulnerable 595 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: with each other like this, because if we don't and 596 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: you hide your pain, that's when you hide it in 597 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: dangerous ways. Oh god, man, it's and you're right on that, 598 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: you know, it's it is just imperative man, that you know, 599 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: let a father be vulnerable to his to his family's 600 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: father be vulnerable to you know. I mean it's I 601 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: tell the head coaches in the NFL, be vulnerable with 602 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: your team. And you know what, I went out and 603 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: spoken in the Minnesota Vikings, gave a whole big thing 604 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: on this, and I saw Kevin O'Connell after they beat 605 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: the Cults and that come back crying in his locker room. 606 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: I was like, that's what I'm talking about how much 607 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: more of those guys. Now we're gonna lay it on 608 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: the line for you that you just cry in front 609 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: of the show them that you're real not oh no, 610 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: nothing stops me, nothing breaks me, nothing like And I 611 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: know it's called unbreakable, but what makes you unbreakable is 612 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: that vulnerability? Yeah? Yeah, absolutely, man. That's if people can 613 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: understand that to be unbreakable is just that is that 614 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: when you get down to the quarter of who you 615 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: are and you express that of vulnerability, you are unbreakable. 616 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: There's nothing out there that can break you because you 617 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: you're exposed. Man, you're Yeah, I'm a human being. I 618 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: cry and I get vulnerable. You know, the last question 619 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,719 Speaker 1: I have for you, my brother, since we're on the 620 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: term of unbreakable, ask every guest give me your unbreakable moment. 621 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: What's that moment? What's something should have broken you and 622 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: didn't and you came through the other side of that tunnel. 623 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: Now you're stronger as a result. Man. There there's actually 624 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: the biggest moment that you know is when I you know, 625 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: at my lowest point, man, when I when I overdosed 626 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: on on drugs. You know, when I overdosed and you know, 627 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: at that at that moment, man, it it was so overwhelmed, 628 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: talked about it. What did I overdosed on on morphine? 629 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: You know, it was what it was one of those 630 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 1: things where you know, at the moment when you when 631 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: I realized I didn't die, right and and I'm in 632 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,360 Speaker 1: the hospital and you know, I'm just you know you 633 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: and again this is this is this moment of this 634 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:41,240 Speaker 1: incomprehensive immoralization and feeling of like just this feeling of 635 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: of just such such shame, but such relief that I 636 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: didn't die, and like promising to God that I'm going 637 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: to do the most of my life and all of this. 638 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: And you know, it's like from that moment, man, I 639 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: was working my ass off in a different way. I 640 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: was working at to get medals, to get medallions, to 641 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 1: get belt, to get world championships, which there's nothing wrong 642 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: with that. But the big deal was is that I 643 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 1: made a different promise to God. You know, I promised 644 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: him that I that I would affect you know, those 645 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: around me in a way that I just wasn't at 646 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: the time. And it's taken me now to get to 647 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: this point day to where where I understand where I 648 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: am at this moment in time, you know, And it's 649 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: it's a fulfill that promise I made, you know, way 650 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,439 Speaker 1: back when, you know, way back when. So I love 651 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: that dude, and you know what you and I spoke, 652 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: I made the same promise. When you read my book 653 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: I'm Breakable, it's me almost dying ema cedar side of 654 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: the hospital and I man, the whole room goes to 655 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: the other goes about ten feet away. I was like, God, 656 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: if I'm this is my moment, I love you. It's okay, 657 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: but I think I have more to do in this world. 658 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: And if you could step in here, I promise I 659 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,319 Speaker 1: will do more help in this world and to help 660 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: inspire and change people's to save people. And that's what 661 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,320 Speaker 1: this podcast is for me. That's what the books for me. 662 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: It's my version of keeping my promise to God where 663 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: we could help people with their mental health, we can 664 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: help people. M VP was part of that promise for me. 665 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: Mergion Guns and Players and Unbreakable as part of it. 666 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: That book was really me keeping my promise to God 667 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: that I would do more for this world. And that's um. 668 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people forget when they make 669 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 1: that promise and they're just like, all right now, I'm saying, 670 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: now I can go back to just doing should have 671 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: things again. Yeah, and you know that was that was 672 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: part of you know, it's it's there's no coincidence. It's 673 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: why you're in my life now I'm in your life, 674 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: and you know it's it's it's a lot of things 675 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,280 Speaker 1: that I still have unfulfilled, you know, And I believe 676 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: that you know that the rest of my life is 677 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: just it's out in front of me to help as 678 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 1: many people as that. Man. I love you, brother, and 679 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: I'm glad. I love to listen to this and and 680 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: uh and get some help from this as a result 681 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,280 Speaker 1: of this man that's Mark Err. How does this gashing 682 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,879 Speaker 1: machine They call him the smashing machine for what he's 683 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: done in the past, and I call him the smashing 684 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,840 Speaker 1: machine because he's fucking guys still punching me in the face. 685 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 1: I love you, man, I appreciate it, Jake. Thank you. Man. Hey, folks, 686 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 1: let's keep walking. Let's walk together.