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Speaker 1: Here we go on a Monday. Don't tell me it

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Speaker 1: was boring. It's the greatest football game I've ever seen,

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Speaker 1: to the very last snap. I don't know about the

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Speaker 1: rest of you, but I had a dream last night

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold making a speech in Canton, Ohio. It was

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Speaker 1: so lifelike, so much more lifelike than it was twenty

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Speaker 1: four hours earlier. Welcome in. We're in Los Angeles. It's

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Speaker 1: the Herd wherever you may be, however you may be

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Speaker 1: less and listening. Thank you for making us part of

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Speaker 1: your day. Yeah, I'm feeling good today. It's a good

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Speaker 1: one for me. I get one occasionally. The scary part

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Speaker 1: about Seattle is sixth most cap space in the league.

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Speaker 1: Next year, their coach is thirty eight, moving into his

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Speaker 1: coaching prime Sam Donald, two more years of a team

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Speaker 1: friendly deal, and they may have seven or eight players

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Speaker 1: who are ascending, young guys only getting better. And go

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Speaker 1: ahead say it wasn't about Sam Donald. Go ahead and

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Speaker 1: say that. But it was in the postseason against the

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Speaker 1: superior NFC and eventually Vrabel's defense. No turnovers for Sam

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Speaker 1: smart enough, mature enough, and coachable enough to know what

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Speaker 1: was needed, and against New England he knew what was needed.

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Speaker 1: A couple of big throws, make the right decision. Since

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four quarterbacks have won a Super Bowl with

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Speaker 1: no turnovers. Maybe you've heard of him. Troy Aikman, Steve Young,

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Speaker 1: Drew Brees, and Sam Donald. They all had great coaches,

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Speaker 1: and they all had stacked rosters. They knew what the

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Speaker 1: assignment was. That's all this playoff run was about. For

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald. Against the Rams, he needed to be a

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Speaker 1: game changer. Donald had to make big throws because Matt

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Speaker 1: Stafford three different times eight the Seahawks secondary eight, and

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Speaker 1: Donald needed big throws. He was a game changer when

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Speaker 1: the game called for it. But with Kenneth Walker running

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Speaker 1: finding space regularly, Sam only had to make a couple

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Speaker 1: of big ones. Here's one of them on the screen.

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Speaker 1: He had to be a manager. He had to be

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Speaker 1: understanding of what was needed. I'll give you an example,

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady's first Super Bowl win and Tom Brady's last

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl win. I'm not sure if you know this.

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Speaker 1: He threw for few yards then Donald did last night.

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Speaker 1: That's what makes Tom great. All quarterbacks, I'd like to

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Speaker 1: repeat this slowly. All quarterbacks are game managers. But it's

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Speaker 1: part of the maturity that Sam lacked when he was

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Speaker 1: twenty and twenty one and twenty two in New York.

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Speaker 1: He developed it. He's a good listener, gratitude and humility.

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Speaker 1: Great parenting probably adds a lot. Twenty two year old

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Speaker 1: Sam screws that game up last night because the New

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Speaker 1: England Patriots were jumping routes. Mike vrabel knew, looking at

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Speaker 1: the film he had the second best roster, and Mike

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Speaker 1: vrabel knew the way to beat Seattle was make it

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Speaker 1: fast and frenetic and make the old Sam Darnold appear.

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Speaker 1: He didn't. In fact, he didn't in the entire playoff run.

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Speaker 1: I'll like to repeat against the superior NFC in New England, Seattle.

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Speaker 1: The Seahawks are the first team ever to win a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl with no turnovers against the Rams defense, the

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Speaker 1: Patriots defense. You see the Patriots defense against CJ. Stroud,

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Speaker 1: what they did to him. You see what they did

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Speaker 1: to New England's O line or excuse me, the Chargers

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Speaker 1: O line and Justin Herbert. That New England defense is rough,

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Speaker 1: really well coached. And yes, the Seahawks roster, like the

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Speaker 1: Eagles who won the Super Bowl last year, is stacked.

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Speaker 1: That's usually the way it works. Go ahead, say it's

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Speaker 1: not Sam, but no turnovers playing the Rams playing Robert Salas,

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Speaker 1: playing Mike Vrables. I mean, Drake Mayde's really talented. Look

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Speaker 1: at his postseason what do you have? Seven fumbles? Donold

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Speaker 1: eighty six offensive snaps against the Rams. He had to

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Speaker 1: be a game changer against the Patriots, and everybody in

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Speaker 1: Seattle's locker room knew it. The assignment was different. Stay

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Speaker 1: ahead of the change as much as you possibly can,

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Speaker 1: and don't make the big mistake. Here's Mike McDonald, a

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Speaker 1: great young coach, the defensive version of Sean McVay. On

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Speaker 1: defending Donald, It's become a regular habit in the Pacific Northwest.

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Speaker 3: Sam doesn't care about the obstacle. Like everyone's made a

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Speaker 3: narrative of this guy of like everyone is, they have

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Speaker 3: Has just been a tremendous player on our football team

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Speaker 3: and a tremendous leader who is the same guy every day.

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Speaker 3: And that's who he is, and that's how to talk

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Speaker 1: To move forward, let's talk Drake May. In New England.

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Speaker 1: I preached last week Stafford should be the MVP over

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Speaker 1: Drake May. And I said the reason is every time

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Speaker 1: Stafford walks to the line, every time Matt Stafford walks

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Speaker 1: to the line, he understands the why. Drake May's still

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out, as I said last week, the

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Speaker 1: what what am I seeing?

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Speaker 4: What is this?

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Speaker 1: He didn't have the answers against Seattle. Stafford against Seattle

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Speaker 1: tore him apart three times. Drake May overwhelmed. Chris Collinsworth

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Speaker 1: appropriately said at halftime, May is not ready for this moment.

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Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel at halftime seem resigned to the fact his

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Speaker 1: young quarterback was over his skis. He was nervous and

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Speaker 1: he was rattled. And that's why I said, stop vomiting

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Speaker 1: statistics and spewing analytics. Quarterback is about the why can

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Speaker 1: you walk to the line like a and a Manning

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Speaker 1: and a Mahomes and a Stafford and you have the

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Speaker 1: answers to the test. I mean, I'm watching Stafford against

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Speaker 1: May yesterday looked like a student driver. He was completely overwhelmed.

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Speaker 1: And New England's good, They're going to get better. It

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Speaker 1: was almost understandable. But Stafford and Mayor just different quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: and different human beings. Let's be honest. If bo Nix

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Speaker 1: was healthy, New England's probably not here. So, yes, Seattle

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Speaker 1: had more talent. We did our top ten rankings of

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Speaker 1: the players last week. The top four players were all Seattle,

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Speaker 1: including Darnold. But this was more than just well. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Stafford's got Puka Nakua. New England's tight ends and receivers

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Speaker 1: are way above average. And yes, Will Campbell is not

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Speaker 1: ready for this moment. He's probably gonna get moved inside.

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Speaker 1: He was the best tackle in a weak draft class.

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Speaker 1: He's probably a really good guard and the future is

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Speaker 1: great for May. The coaching around him is outstanding. But

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Speaker 1: at one point in the third quarter, Drake May eight

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Speaker 1: eight drives, eight punts, seven completions. That's not about Puka Nakua.

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Speaker 1: That's about not being able to see the why and

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Speaker 1: struggling with the what this postseason, and he faced good defenses.

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Speaker 1: Drake May completed fifty eight percent of his throws, was

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Speaker 1: sacked twenty one times, passer rating of eighty two. Matt

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Speaker 1: very good defense. It is a defense you can have

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Speaker 1: success against. But not yesterday, not this kid, not in

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Speaker 1: this moment. Here's Drake May after.

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Speaker 5: It's hurt, no, no doubt, No, it definitely hurts. It's

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Speaker 5: been a long ride. They played better enough tonight. Theyserve

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Speaker 5: it in that game, you know, speaking for the whole team,

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Speaker 5: and you know myself, just where journey it has been

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Speaker 5: for us. I love this team, love those guys in

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Speaker 5: the locker room, and we'll leave it all on the field.

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Speaker 5: And I know a lot of guys do that tonight

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Speaker 5: and just came up short, didn't play our best and

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Speaker 5: how's what happens.

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Speaker 1: Listen, Drake May reportedly had a shot before the game,

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Speaker 1: so he was not one hundred percent. And again Will

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Speaker 1: Campbell left tackle. He got overwhelmed, and we all knew

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Speaker 1: you knew it. I mean, there's a reason overwhelmingly the

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Speaker 1: bets were all on Seattle side. Tip of the captain Jmack,

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Speaker 1: who had said during the week multiple times he didn't

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Speaker 1: know if New England could score. And if you look

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Speaker 1: it's garbage times numbers for New England. They were not

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Speaker 1: competitive at one point. It's what nineteen nothing that nineteen seven.

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Speaker 1: Drake made some garbage time stats, but a lot of

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Speaker 1: these sacks and a lot of these fumbles. That's what

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Speaker 1: You're not prepared for them. So it was beyond that.

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Speaker 1: He was rattled, he was nervous. He wasn't one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: New England's gonna be fine. I mean, Josh Allen's in

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Speaker 1: their division. Jets are still a circus. My guess, is

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Speaker 1: there going to be a wild card or a division

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Speaker 1: winning team for the next ten years. They're going to

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Speaker 1: be back here there, didn't we say all week long?

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Speaker 1: We kept saying, didn't it feel weird that New England

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Speaker 1: still feels like they're a draft away? Well, in the AFC,

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Speaker 1: Mahomes didn't make it, Burrow didn't make it. We didn't

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Speaker 1: really know right Like, you're like, they feel like they're

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Speaker 1: a draft away. When you saw him against Seattle, it

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Speaker 1: was official, they're a draft away. So j Mack, congratulations.

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Speaker 1: You had Seattle on a.

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Speaker 6: Route and I had Kenneth Walker MVP on Friday. Remember

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Speaker 6: Kenneth's walking a good game? Yeah, headlines was very good.

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Speaker 6: I don't know, you seem bullish on the Patriots being fine.

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Speaker 6: I just posted and Drake mayhad was so bad. I

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Speaker 6: just wonder if they got bigger issues. I mean, remember,

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Speaker 6: Burrow's gonna come back, Mahomes is gonna come back, Lamar's

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Speaker 6: Chargers are gonna be really good.

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Speaker 1: Lamar's gonna come back.

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Speaker 6: The Jaguar's probably not going anywhere.

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Speaker 7: AFC's loaded.

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Speaker 6: I saw some troubling signs from Drake Bank throughout all

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Speaker 6: this postseason.

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Speaker 1: Yea, how many fummos did he have? Seven?

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Speaker 6: Interceptions galore, fifty eight percent completions.

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Speaker 7: That's fair.

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Speaker 1: I can't and buy for the record. We know he's

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Speaker 6: Because when you play a terrible schedule, it's tough to judge.

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Speaker 6: You know, they're playing six rookie quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: They go six and oh yeah, New England faced eleven

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Speaker 6: So when you played real teams in the playoffs, Drake,

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Speaker 6: they look like a mediocre quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Good college bass and watch you pick up the tab

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Speaker 1: All right, here we go, Colin Wright, Colin wrong?

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Speaker 4: Where Colin was right?

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold seven hundred yards, five touchdowns, no picks, and

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Speaker 1: a one h two passer rating in the Superior NFC

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Speaker 1: playoffs in Super Bowl. I never wavered on Sam because

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Speaker 1: quarterback is about traits, arm size, mobility, toughness, humility. I

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Speaker 1: always ask people in the league who I respected, and

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Speaker 1: the smart people always said, he just needs the right fit.

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Speaker 1: He came into the league at twenty in New York

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Speaker 1: and he just didn't have great college coaching. He just

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Speaker 1: got overwhelmed. Just wait until he gets the right coach.

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Speaker 4: Way to go, Sam, Where Colin was wrong.

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Speaker 1: Seattle dominated the scoreboard more than I thought I thought

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Speaker 1: it would be close, but Drake May was so ineffective.

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Speaker 1: Some of it is Will Campbell, who will eventually, I guess,

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Speaker 1: is get moved inside. But I mean three nothing in

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Speaker 1: the turnover department for the Seahawks. They got better quarterback play.

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Speaker 1: I mean, by the early second quarter, it felt like

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Speaker 1: we had the makings potentially of a blowout, and that

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Speaker 1: I knew it was a potential outcome. But it's not

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Speaker 1: the outcome I predicted.

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Speaker 4: Where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: I said last week the one thing I was certain

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Speaker 1: about in the Super Bowl, New England would not be

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Speaker 1: able to run the ball. Their offensive line not good enough.

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Speaker 1: They're not dynamic enough. They had forty two yards rushing

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Speaker 1: by running backs, and again Drake Mann a couple of

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Speaker 1: need to attack the offensive line in the draft. We

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Speaker 1: had said throughout the course of the playoff run, the

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Speaker 1: Patriots are still a draft away from elevating their tight

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Speaker 1: end group, elevating their offensive line. But my concern in

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Speaker 1: the game was, oh, Drake May is going to have

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Speaker 1: to throw it thirty four, thirty five times or more.

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Speaker 1: And he was one in seven in games in which

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Speaker 4: Where Colin was wrong.

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Speaker 1: I did not have Christian Gonzalez in my top ten

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Speaker 1: players in the Super Bowl. I think I had him

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Speaker 1: an eleven or twelve. He's phenomenal. He does get banged

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Speaker 1: up a lot. He reminds me of Christian Watson of

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Speaker 1: the Packers. He looks. I mean, he is literally an

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Speaker 1: Adonis with no body fat. He's just a remarkable athlete.

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Speaker 1: And on this ball is a little behind JSN, but

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Speaker 1: length and speed and timing. That game could have broken

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Speaker 1: open much earlier without that play on the deep ball

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Speaker 4: Where Colin was right, I said.

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Speaker 1: After Seattle lost to the Rams, I said, what team

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Speaker 1: in the league could have four picks and be driving

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Speaker 1: to beat Los Angeles said at that time after losing

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Speaker 1: to the Rams, Seattle's the best team in the league.

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Speaker 1: They just got to clean their act up and if

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Speaker 1: they can clean the turnovers up, and all year long,

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Speaker 1: I kept saying, turn the sound down when you watch

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks. They don't look like anybody else. They were

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Speaker 1: nine to zero in games with no turnovers. If they

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Speaker 1: didn't get reckless. They always won. We were right on that.

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Speaker 4: Where Colin was raw.

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Speaker 1: Defensive head coaches won the day. McVeigh, Ben Johnson, Kyle

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Speaker 1: Shanahan made the playoffs, but it was Mike McDonald who

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Speaker 1: calls his own plays. It was a very good year

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Speaker 1: for a subset of coaches. Defensive guys who have not

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Speaker 1: had a great decade. Rabeled, Demico Ryans, Mike McDonald all

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Speaker 1: had tremendous years. And it was a masterclass yesterday against

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Speaker 1: Drake May.

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Speaker 4: Where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: Devin Witherspoon, to me, is the best corner in football.

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Speaker 1: Said he's the first or second best player in this game.

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Speaker 1: He led all players on quarterback hits. I remember watching

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Speaker 1: versatile gets to the quarterback. I mean, there's just Patrick's

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Speaker 1: heartanat Denver's another one. Christian Gonzales is great, but you're

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Speaker 1: talking Devin Witherspoon. Seattle doesn't blitz much, and they're like,

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Speaker 1: we'll leave ourselves vulnerable in the back end. Go get him.

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Speaker 4: Where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: Well, I said Matt Stafford should be MVP over Drake

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Speaker 1: May and The reason isn't stats or analytics. It's because

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Speaker 1: Matt walks to the line and knows the why, and

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Speaker 1: Drake May is still trying to figure out the what.

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Speaker 1: Just see how good that Seahawk defense is. Stafford tore

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Speaker 1: the NFL in big plays. Stafford is something that Drake

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Speaker 1: May can't possibly be yet at twenty three years old.

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Speaker 1: The maturity I said before, Matt Stafford has more fourth

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Speaker 1: quarter comeback wins than Drake May has pro starts. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to hear about analytics and starts. They're just

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Speaker 1: different quarterbacks. And that's why, as Tom Brady said last week,

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Speaker 1: so many quarterbacks in this league once they get to

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Speaker 1: twenty eight, twenty nine. Look at Sam Donald. He is

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Speaker 1: Completely different.

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Speaker 1: Colin right, Colin wrong, And with that, a very happy

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Speaker 1: man is joining US live. Matt Hasselback a decade with

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks, eighteen years in the NFL. Look at that.

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Speaker 9: I don't know if happy he's the right word right now, Colin,

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Speaker 9: Maybe regretful. Should have gone to bed earlier. Man, amen one,

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Speaker 9: I was avvy yesterday. I was avvy yesterday. I know

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Speaker 9: that for sure. I got a few days to recover.

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Speaker 9: There's going to be a parade in Seattle on Wednesday,

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Speaker 9: so I got some time.

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Speaker 7: But yeah, what an incredible day yesterday.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, I don't you didn't hear this

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Speaker 1: because you were on the field. So they asked Kyle Shanahan,

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Speaker 1: who knows Seattle well about the game, and I couldn't

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Speaker 1: believe he said it. He goes, well, if Seattle doesn't

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Speaker 1: turn it over, this this could get ugly. When you're

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Speaker 1: to you when you're watching them and you can tell stuff,

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Speaker 1: you're a pro athlete, you've been there. Did you look

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Speaker 1: at that and go, man, Seattle just looks a little different.

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Speaker 7: Well.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, with the exception of the defense for New England

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Speaker 9: was holding them to field goals not touchdowns. So you know,

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Speaker 9: it was like Felix Sehawks were dominating, especially on defense,

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Speaker 9: but it was three nothing, and it was six nothing,

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Speaker 7: You know, as a player, that doesn't give you a

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Speaker 9: And it kind of reminded me of those great SA sorry,

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Speaker 9: those great Patriot defenses early on that they gave up

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Speaker 9: the end zone, and that's why they won so much,

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Speaker 9: you know, so many football games unfortunately. You know, that

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Speaker 9: much because it felt like three and out, three and out,

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Speaker 7: You know, so many punts.

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Speaker 9: I think it was like eight punts in a row

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Speaker 1: You know, Mike McDonald calls his own plays. I always

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Speaker 1: I get why certain coaches are like, listen, this is

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Speaker 9: Well, you got to remember why you got hired in

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Speaker 9: as a defensive play caller, and there's a great feel

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Speaker 9: for that. I mean, this Seahawks defense was so good

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Speaker 7: And then what did you see yesterday?

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Speaker 9: It was a blitz fest and there was blood in

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Speaker 9: you know what, usually we're not going.

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Speaker 7: To be a blitzer repeating team.

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Speaker 9: But if you don't prove that you have an answer

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Speaker 9: for it, we're bringing it again. And to see this,

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Speaker 7: It's not normal.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 9: an incredible blitzer pass rusher. I mean, really, he had

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Speaker 9: that's a Devin Witherspoon and Mike McDonald touchdown in my mind. So,

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Speaker 9: I mean, they were just the great defenses. I mean

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Speaker 1: It was interesting. Matt as somebody that's at home and

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Speaker 7: They're young.

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Speaker 9: I think they're going to get better someday. It was

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Speaker 7: They just wore down.

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Speaker 9: You know, it's complimentary football for a reason, like you

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Speaker 9: can't I mean, you just don't really appreciate all the

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Speaker 9: need more Kenneth Walker, we need more K nine. They said, no,

434
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Speaker 9: we're going to stick to the plan. We're going to

435
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Speaker 9: use Sharbonnay and then Charboney eventually got hurt. Then they

436
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Speaker 9: they had to unleash K nine and they did, and

437
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Speaker 9: I think it were the Patriots down.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting j Max talked about this Kenneth Walker,

439
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Speaker 1: I think is a free agent. And my take is

440
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Speaker 1: a few years ago Brady won in Tampa and they

441
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Speaker 1: brought the band back. And I've always believed that you

442
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Speaker 1: have to make some changes to keep it fresh. Seattle

443
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Speaker 1: is young, They've got a couple of guys in the

444
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Speaker 1: back end they could move off of. They don't have

445
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Speaker 1: a ton of picks. How do you keep this team hungry?

446
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: And and you know they've got some cap space here.

447
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Speaker 1: What do you I mean? Walker's not a pass catcher, Matt,

448
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: and he's not great blocker. He's a little one dimensional,

449
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Speaker 1: but he's unbelievable at that one dimension. Do you stay

450
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Speaker 1: with him? Do you stay with the roster? Do you tweak?

451
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Speaker 1: How do you stay young and hungry when it looks

452
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Speaker 1: like you're not only the best team in the lead,

453
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Speaker 1: only the Rams can challenge you.

454
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Speaker 9: Well, they're gonna have to stop the bleeding when Klin

455
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Speaker 9: Kubiak leaves. Klint Kubiak's gonna leave and go to the Raiders.

456
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Speaker 9: And you know, I think they can. You know, he's

457
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Speaker 9: a great coach. I think they can maybe handle losing

458
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Speaker 9: a coordinator. They've proven that. But who's he taking with him? Like,

459
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Speaker 9: that's the big question. There might be a lot of

460
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Speaker 9: turnover just because he's taking a bunch of coaches in

461
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Speaker 9: the building with them. He might be taking players with

462
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Speaker 9: him that he he knows fits into his system. He's

463
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Speaker 9: starting fresh in Las Vegas. They're gonna spend money, they're

464
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Speaker 9: building something. They want to draw a line in the sand, Like,

465
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Speaker 9: who's he taking with him? He's probably not taking K nine.

466
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Speaker 9: But if you do have a ton of turnover, then

467
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Speaker 9: maybe that's more of a reason to keep K nine

468
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Speaker 9: and keep the keep the band together just just a

469
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Speaker 9: little bit, and you see, you know, I think another point,

470
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Speaker 9: Klink Kubiak's proven he likes to bring people that he's

471
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Speaker 9: already been around, He's already spent a lot of time with.

472
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Speaker 9: He was a huge part of the fact that they

473
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Speaker 9: even got Sam Darnold. They were together in San France

474
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Speaker 9: at the trade deadline. He was the one banging, you know,

475
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Speaker 9: standing up on the table saying, hey, Rashid Shahed, I

476
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 9: had him in New Orleans. Bring him to us. You're

477
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 9: gonna love him on special teams. He's gonna fit well

478
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Speaker 9: in the room. He's got upside, he compliments JSN. He's

479
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Speaker 9: gonna help Cooper Cup be Cooper Cup. He can Cooper

480
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,719
Speaker 9: Cup can be the short intermediate guy and we get

481
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Speaker 9: our speech to hears outside.

482
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Speaker 7: So Klik Kubiak, you know, he's obviously.

483
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Speaker 9: The son of Gary Kubiak, he's the brother of Klay

484
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Speaker 9: Kubiak and Saint Francis.

485
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Speaker 7: Guy knows what he's doing.

486
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Speaker 9: So I think my biggest concern would be who's he

487
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Speaker 9: taking with him, Like who's he poaching? And you better,

488
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Speaker 9: you better hope that you don't let him poach the

489
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Speaker 9: people you need.

490
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Speaker 1: You know, It's funny people are saying, well, Donald, you know,

491
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Speaker 1: Donald wasn't the key to it. And I said, he

492
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Speaker 1: had one hundred and eighty six postseason snaps and didn't

493
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Speaker 1: have a turnover. And I think if you look at

494
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Speaker 1: like Aikman with a Cowboys was a great example, great coach,

495
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Speaker 1: great roster, Steve Young with the Niners, great coach, great roster.

496
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Speaker 1: Those guys played Super Bowls and didn't have a turnover

497
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Speaker 1: because they knew the assignment. I think part of Sam's

498
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Speaker 1: growth is what's needed against the Rams. He had to

499
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Speaker 1: make spectacular plays against Patriots they knew on film, especially

500
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Speaker 1: in the first corep like don't make a big mistake.

501
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Speaker 1: I think game manager gets a horrible reputation. Everybody to

502
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Speaker 1: some degree is managing. Take take me through kind of

503
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Speaker 1: what you saw with Sam in the entire playoff run

504
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Speaker 1: and against the Patriots.

505
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Speaker 9: Yeah, Gay, I agree, game manager is this weird word.

506
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 9: I don't use the word game manager. I use the

507
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 9: work game commander, like you're in command. Brady was the

508
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Speaker 9: best at that. He was in command of it. He

509
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Speaker 9: won Super Bowls at the beginning of the end. It

510
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 9: wasn't a stat fest. That wasn't what it was about.

511
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Speaker 9: It was about him in command of the game, dictating

512
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Speaker 9: how the game's gonna go, and just zoom out on

513
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Speaker 9: the playoffs this year, look at the turnover thing. The

514
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Speaker 9: turnover thing is a major thing. You want to measure

515
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 9: winning and losing. It is truly all about the ball,

516
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Speaker 9: and Sam Darnold understood that.

517
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Speaker 7: And I think part of it is he can.

518
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Speaker 9: Rest with confidence knowing that he doesn't have to always

519
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 9: go out there and throw for three point fifty like

520
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 9: he did in the NFC Championship game, because he knows. Hey,

521
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 9: they've told me, and I feel it. You're our guy, Sam,

522
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 9: You're our guy. You don't have to prove yourself. Maybe

523
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Speaker 9: other people want you to prove yourself.

524
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Speaker 7: You don't need to do that with us. You're our guy.

525
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 7: We've put our money where our mouth is.

526
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Speaker 9: We could have gone out and gotten anybody in the

527
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 9: world in free agency or gone the draft or whatever.

528
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 9: We put all our chips on you, and other teams

529
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Speaker 9: didn't do that. The Jets kick you to the curb.

530
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 9: Carolina kick you to the curb saying Fran never gave

531
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Speaker 9: you an opportunity. Even when you were in Minnesota and

532
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Speaker 9: you had that awesome year, you never really knew if

533
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Speaker 9: you were the guy.

534
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 7: You never really felt like you were the guy.

535
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Speaker 9: People in the building were probably saying, now, he's not

536
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Speaker 9: going to be our guy. So that when you know

537
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 9: you're the guy, you don't care if you throw for

538
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Speaker 9: one hundred and ninety eight yards and win the game.

539
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Speaker 9: You don't care. And that's what I see out of

540
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Speaker 9: Sam and I think the locker room respects it, and

541
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Speaker 9: I think you just stack bricks that way in terms

542
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 9: of confidence in yourself, the team's confidence in you. Unselfish

543
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 9: play goes a long long way in a locker room.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the you know Drake may J Mack had said

545
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Speaker 1: this earlier. He struggled throughout the playoffs. Yes, Will Campbell

546
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Speaker 1: was being overwhelmed. There's no question I didn't love I

547
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Speaker 1: thought they should attack Seattle with Hunter Henry. I think

548
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Speaker 1: the Rams have success against the Seahawks because they used

549
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Speaker 1: their tight ends very effectively. It's hard to be Witherspoon

550
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Speaker 1: in the outside. You got to do the best you

551
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Speaker 1: can with tight ends and throw it to backs with

552
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Speaker 1: Drake May Are you worried that he looked overwhelmed? Maybe

553
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Speaker 1: he wasn't one hundred percent. I mean, let take out

554
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Speaker 1: one drive and some garbage time stuff. I mean it

555
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: was pretty lean. What worried you at all?

556
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Speaker 7: Yeah, he did not look healthy to me.

557
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Speaker 9: You know, that was one thing, you know, like he

558
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 9: looked he looked okay, he looked good, pretty good, you know,

559
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 9: in terms of his fastball and stuff like that. He

560
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 9: had some great throws. But I just didn't think he

561
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 9: was looking he looked like he was in that like, hey,

562
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Speaker 9: I'm feeling my best.

563
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Speaker 7: I don't think that.

564
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Speaker 9: I also think that pass protection was a real issue

565
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 9: early on. It was a huge issue. I didn't love

566
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Speaker 9: how they didn't feel like an aggressive enough game plan

567
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 9: and when they went aggressive. Now he's holding on the

568
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Speaker 9: ball and putting the putting the offensive line in a

569
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Speaker 9: tough spot. Like, I don't think they're going to watch

570
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Speaker 9: the film and feel really good about it. I also

571
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Speaker 9: just think, like when you're playing a defense that is

572
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Speaker 9: that good, this defense, I you know, we need to

573
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 9: really start talking about this defense with the great defenses

574
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Speaker 9: of all time, the great defense, and we don't.

575
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Speaker 7: I'm not sure, why, but we need to.

576
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Speaker 9: So if you're playing, if you're mismatched with a great

577
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Speaker 9: defense of the historic of the historic nature, you got

578
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Speaker 9: to pull out the trick plays man, like you got

579
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 9: to you gotta steal one, you got to manufacture something exotic.

580
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Speaker 9: And like I just it was just kind of like, hey,

581
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,719
Speaker 9: inside zone, outside zone, we're just gonna, I don't know,

582
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 9: try to control the line of scrimage, control the clock,

583
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 9: control like it just it wasn't there for me. So

584
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Speaker 9: I think there's a lot to learn from. I think

585
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Speaker 9: the health is a thing. I'm not willing to just

586
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Speaker 9: like throw everything out, move people at other positions and

587
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 9: all the all the stuff. But I do think that

588
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 9: there's a there's a lot long look in the mirror

589
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 9: on this one, and what could we have done to

590
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 9: be more competitive in this game?

591
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Speaker 1: I think it's Seattle has the ability to get great

592
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: pressure with only four that's the definition of a great defense.

593
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Speaker 1: And they are unbelievably twitchy and handsy and athletic in

594
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Speaker 1: the back end, and their special teams are stacked. I mean, honestly,

595
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: it was not a little holes with Seattle.

596
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Speaker 5: No.

597
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Speaker 9: And I think just like if we go back to

598
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Speaker 9: the Drake May thing like I love like the tangibles

599
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 9: and the upside and of athleticism. But one of the

600
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Speaker 9: best quarterback performances against the Seattle Seahawks defense this year

601
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Speaker 9: was a forty four year old Philip Rivers, who is

602
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 9: like coaching high school football for a couple of years.

603
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Speaker 9: And it just goes to so if I could say

604
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 9: one thing to these young quarterbacks, learn from what Philip

605
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 9: Rivers did. It's a little bit more about things that

606
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,479
Speaker 9: they do not test for at the combine. It's your vision,

607
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 9: it's your communication, it's your demeanor. It's getting the ball

608
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 9: out of your hands quicker to guys who can do

609
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 9: something with it. It's protecting the offensive line by not

610
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 9: taking sacks. Fumbles need to be hated the way you

611
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 9: hate interceptions. There's a lot of lessons you can learn

612
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 9: from guys like Philip who had just like a longevity

613
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 9: of success year after year after year and then comes

614
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Speaker 9: and does it in Seattle, leaves the field with the

615
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Speaker 9: with the lead. You know it was only because of

616
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Speaker 9: the last second field goal they didn't get the win.

617
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Speaker 9: So I just think for young quarterbacks, if if you

618
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 9: want to really learn, you know, again, this is stuff

619
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Speaker 9: that doesn't show up at the combine. They don't test

620
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 9: for it, but it absolutely matters when you play this position.

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Speaker 1: By the way, the Pacific Northwest has great wine and

622
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: craft beers. I'm not going to get nosy on what

623
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Speaker 1: you you know, where you went last night, but I

624
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: will say this as somebody that grew up in the

625
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest. It's wine country, it's beer country. There's you

626
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: can have a good time in Seattle and you're telling

627
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Speaker 1: you did well.

628
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Speaker 9: I'm in San fran was at the you know the

629
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Speaker 9: post being part. Yeah, it was actually San Jose. I

630
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 9: made it for Ludacris and t Paine. I don't know

631
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Speaker 9: who performed after that. I went, I went, I left,

632
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 9: I left, but the young kids they were still there.

633
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Speaker 9: And I was very impressed to see Kenneth Walker at

634
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Speaker 9: the MVP presentation in his in his green suit.

635
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Speaker 7: He looked great.

636
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Speaker 9: Mike McDonald looks like he slept twelve hours. I don't

637
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 9: know how he does it. The dude's a machine. Very

638
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Speaker 9: impressive because it was. It was a good time. Great

639
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Speaker 9: see Anyboddy, awesome Colin.

640
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Speaker 7: Thanks.

641
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm staring at that Seattle Seahawk hat and he's

642
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: a former Seahawk, and I'm thinking, now, where do you

643
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: go in Seattle? Oh? Wait, the game was in Santa Clair.

644
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: I should probably know that, you know, I said before

645
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,719
Speaker 1: the game was starting, I turned to Ryan because we

646
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: were together watching this, and I said, Seattle knows this stadium,

647
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: they know the angles like Seattle's. This is. This feels

648
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Speaker 1: like a little bit There was a lot more Seahawk fans.

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Speaker 1: It felt a little bit like sixty five thirty five.

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Speaker 1: It felt like a Seattle home game in terms of

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Speaker 1: they've played in this stadium multiple.

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Speaker 6: Even Darnold look comfortable in the opening drive. They go

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Speaker 6: right down the field for the field goal. But I

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Speaker 6: want to let me ask something about what he said.

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Speaker 6: Hasselbeck was talking about May and he didn't look look right.

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Speaker 6: He talked about getting that shot after the you know,

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Speaker 6: before the game. I'm just do you think how much

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Speaker 6: do you think he was like eighty percent healthy seventy five.

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Speaker 1: Before a game. It means you're in pain.

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Speaker 6: After a two week layoff. That's not great at all.

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Speaker 6: So maybe I'm overreacting to this poor postseason. Well I didn't,

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Speaker 6: and he's been burned up.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate Matt Hasselbeck. I really appreciate Matt Hasselbeck saying

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Speaker 1: and admitting that this is how I felt. Why aren't

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Speaker 1: you attacking Seattle with the tight ends? The Rams do

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Speaker 1: a really effective job of that. Hunter Henry's a very

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Speaker 1: nice tight end. I want. I want twelve targets to him.

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Speaker 1: I want three step drops. I want a lot of

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Speaker 1: swing passes. In fact, if you looked at the opening

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Speaker 1: drive for New England, they had they they did a

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Speaker 1: couple of swing passes. You have to get Seattle in

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Speaker 1: some space. And by the way, excellent tackling team, but

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Speaker 1: that's one of you. If you're thinking you're gonna with

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Speaker 1: a left tackle Will Campbell with a quarterback, that's not

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent. With a team in Seattle that gets

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Speaker 1: pressure with four that is not a legitimate game plan.

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Speaker 1: You have got to bring in tricks, you've got to

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Speaker 1: do swing passes. You've got to be very Hunter Henry

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Speaker 1: aware no gadget plays at all. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: Seattle as the favorite. Did you notice how many times

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Speaker 1: they either did fake reverses to us sahit three times

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Speaker 1: in the first couple drives. So Seattle was trying to

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Speaker 1: be more creative and taking more chances than New England

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Speaker 1: and Seattle's got better personnel. So I thought it was

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Speaker 1: a pretty conservative game plan. Who came up with that?

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Speaker 6: Josh McDaniel's the architect of like seven Tom Brady first

687
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Speaker 6: quarters that did nothing.

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Speaker 1: Tenth straight Patriot Super Bowl appearance without a first quarter touchdown.

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Speaker 6: And a lot of those are Josh McDaniels, So what

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Speaker 6: is that just ultra conservative?

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Speaker 1: Ever, I didn't love the game plan. Again, this is

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Speaker 1: what coaches do. They look at film you are watching,

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Speaker 1: will Campbell get devoured by all these defenses, especially Houston. Well,

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Speaker 1: Seattle and Houston have defenses. As we've said multiple times

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Speaker 1: this year, turn the sound down. The Texans and Seahawks

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00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: defenses do not look like even the Chargers doesn't look

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Speaker 1: quite that good. So both though everybody knew in the

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Speaker 1: building in New England we're going to struggle protecting May's backside.

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Speaker 1: Everybody knew that. All these coaches knew it. Tight ends,

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Speaker 1: bubble screens, trick plays, reverses, gadgets. You gotta get Seattle

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Speaker 1: like slowing down or remember.

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Speaker 6: The stat about how McDonald against young quarterbacks owned is

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Speaker 6: there like one and nine And we saw that again

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Speaker 6: with May.

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Speaker 7: He looked confused.

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Speaker 6: Apparently the Seahawks only blitz seven times the entire game.

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Speaker 1: They were getting home with four. Like he said, Seattle's

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Speaker 1: a non blitzing team, and they brought corner blitzes.

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Speaker 6: And May was still totally rattled by this. So for

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Speaker 6: a gambling nugget, we'll file it for next September. If

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Speaker 6: the Seattle schedule has young quarterbacks, early fade those young

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Speaker 6: quarterbacks and load up on Seattle because this defense is just,

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's it's brutal.

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Speaker 1: He brought up a great point. Matn Hasselbreck brought up

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Speaker 1: a great point. We're asking what are they gonna do

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Speaker 1: with Kenneth Walker, who's absolutely gonna have value on the market. Now,

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Speaker 1: he's not a guy you're gonna throw the ball to,

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Speaker 1: but everybody wants to running backs. If you have a

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Speaker 1: running back that has good hands, and then Kenneth Walker

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Speaker 1: can be the bulldozer. And he said, and I thought

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Speaker 1: this was really, uh right, really clever. Because of the

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Speaker 1: loss of Clint Kubiak, and he will take other coaches.

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Speaker 1: You may pay Walker to create more dependability.

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Speaker 6: You don't want too much chaos on the offens. Familiarity

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Speaker 6: right with the walker. He also said Kubiak brought Shaheed

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Speaker 6: from New Orleans. I forgot about that. Does he now

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Speaker 6: take Shaheed, who's a free agent to the Raiders as

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Speaker 6: a potential field seutcher with Mendoza, I yeah, big loss

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Speaker 6: because he was huge.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a player I would pay

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Speaker 1: a I think the ways well, but the way that

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks looked at Rashid, she he was We're a

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Speaker 1: super Bowl roster. Okay, it's a one off. He's a

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Speaker 1: final piece. You can't make him a goat. He's not

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Speaker 1: a volume by if you have a really good team,

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Speaker 1: like you'd bring him to the Chief with Mahomes and

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00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: say if Simmons ends up being the left tackle they

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Speaker 1: think he is, and say, okay, we need an over

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Speaker 1: the top component here. I think good teams that need

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Speaker 1: a splash player like Seattle, that's who pays him. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, Seattle probably knew he was a one

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Speaker 1: year player. But you're looking at it. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: know how this league is. If you are the Rams,

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Speaker 1: let's go out and get Davonte Adams. Why because McVay

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Speaker 1: looks at the roster and thinks, can we got Pooka.

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Speaker 1: I love the tight ends, the backs. We're a Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl roster. Stafford's playing one or two years left. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna go get Davonte Adams. We're gonna give up this, this, this,

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Speaker 1: whatever you have to do. So there's players at certain teams,

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Speaker 1: and I think I don't think Rashid j Haid fits

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Speaker 1: the Raiders. Their timeline they need they you know what

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00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 1: they need the guy they let go to Jacksonville.

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Speaker 6: Jakobe Myers, Well, the kid Pierces from the Colts is

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Speaker 6: on the market. He's gonna command some top dollar. He's

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Speaker 6: a good receiver they need.

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Speaker 1: They need an eighty catch even if it's five touchdown.

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Speaker 1: The Raiders need an eighty catch receiver. They need a

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Speaker 1: volume receivment. And that's not what he is.

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Speaker 4: Live in LA.

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Speaker 1: It's the hurt