WEBVTT - Week 14 NFL Best Bets (Ep. 139)

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<v Speaker 1>Hey to everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to the Betting Pros podcast, brought to you

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<v Speaker 2>by bet MGM. I'm your host, Dan Harris. You can

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<v Speaker 2>find me on Twitter at Dan Harris eighty. It is

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<v Speaker 2>week fourteen of the NFL season.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time to.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk about our best bets from a spread or money

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<v Speaker 2>line or totals perspective. Here to do that with me

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<v Speaker 2>is Pat Fitzmorris. Find them on Twitter at fits Underscore

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<v Speaker 2>ff Fits.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you today?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm good, Dan? How are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing all right? We have both locked our dogs

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<v Speaker 2>in another room far away. That's one of our favorite

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<v Speaker 2>things to do when we podcast together, which is fairly often,

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<v Speaker 2>which is to make sure that the dogs cannot get

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<v Speaker 2>in and ruin our entire podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you are you? You feel comfortable?

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<v Speaker 2>We've got a good half hour forty five minutes here

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<v Speaker 2>where you can survive.

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<v Speaker 3>By lock far away? You mean sleeping next to me? Right? Oh? No,

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<v Speaker 3>much so? All right, that's okay.

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<v Speaker 4>I've got an emergency bone at the ready in case

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<v Speaker 4>I need it. If he wakes up and wants to

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<v Speaker 4>annoy me. That would buy us enough time, I think

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<v Speaker 4>to finish the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Very good.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I was lucky enough for my dog to write

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<v Speaker 2>before we start recording, see the neighborhood, Bobcat and run

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<v Speaker 2>downstairs barking up crazy. And then I just locked the

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<v Speaker 2>door behind it. So we should be good here. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you hear some scratching, that is that is him

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get in. All right, let's get into it, Pat,

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<v Speaker 2>This is gonna be a good show for us, as

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<v Speaker 2>people will find out shortly, because I know you and

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<v Speaker 2>I think very similarly on a lot of things, and

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<v Speaker 2>and Wyoming. All right, quick recap up last week. It

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<v Speaker 2>was not a good week for this podcast, pat So.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's been a little bit stagnant lately, myself, our guests. Frankly,

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<v Speaker 2>it hasn't been you know, we haven't been blowing the

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<v Speaker 2>doors off here. So Ian McMillan, who is having one

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<v Speaker 2>of the great betting seasons of all time. He bets

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<v Speaker 2>every single NFL game. He's up something like twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>units on the season. Like he's doing great. He went

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<v Speaker 2>out for three, He missed on the Bears, getting eight

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<v Speaker 2>from the Cardinals. The Raiders lank two and a half

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<v Speaker 2>to Washington, and the Ravens and the Steelers over forty four.

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<v Speaker 2>I went one and two. I missed on the Vikings

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<v Speaker 2>laying seven to the Lions, which was not close. The

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<v Speaker 2>second Adamsdally got injured, I realized, like, this is not

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<v Speaker 2>going to end well. Regardless. I also missed on the

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<v Speaker 2>Bills lank three to the Patriots. The one I hit

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<v Speaker 2>on was the Chargers getting three from the Bengals, which

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<v Speaker 2>was my favorite of the weekend. That's nineteen and twenty

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<v Speaker 2>on the year. That's obnoxious after a good start. So Pat,

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<v Speaker 2>we have to get back on track here. I know, Pat,

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<v Speaker 2>that we are not going to go six and oh

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<v Speaker 2>on our six favorite bets here, as you and I

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<v Speaker 2>may have discussed before we started recording. We can start there,

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<v Speaker 2>or we can start wherever.

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<v Speaker 1>You want. Give me a bet that you're looking at

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<v Speaker 1>this weekend.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, Dan, and I'm surprised this was not the one

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<v Speaker 4>that we agreed on necessarily because I know all about

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<v Speaker 4>your blind loyalty to the New York Jets, your willingness

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<v Speaker 4>to overlook their myriad deficiencies.

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<v Speaker 1>None of this is true whatsoever, but go ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>So I was kind of surprised you did not like

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<v Speaker 4>them catching five and a half points at home against

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<v Speaker 4>the Saints, who have lost five straights and have Taysom

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<v Speaker 4>Hill at quarterback. Who yeah, I mean he was Harry

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<v Speaker 4>Houdini with the rushing against the Cowboys.

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<v Speaker 3>A fat lot of.

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<v Speaker 4>Good it did them in that game. In his last appearance.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, he's just a terrible passer and has since.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, now he's got this finger issue, So like,

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<v Speaker 4>what is that going to look like? I know the

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<v Speaker 4>Jets defense is bad, but I don't think Taysom Hill

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<v Speaker 4>is capable of capitalizing on that. And the Jets have

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<v Speaker 4>averaged twenty two point eight points a game since Week eight.

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<v Speaker 4>This is actually a functional offense, and like Elijah Moore

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<v Speaker 4>has added a lot of spark here, Like I love

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<v Speaker 4>the five and a half points. I mean, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 4>lock in the safe five and a half, but I'm

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<v Speaker 4>probably gonna put a little something on the money too.

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<v Speaker 4>I Mean, the Saints team is like they're done. They

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<v Speaker 4>know they're not playoff bound. So it's not like you

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<v Speaker 4>are going to get this spunky, fighting for their life

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<v Speaker 4>Saints team, like they know they're not going to make

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<v Speaker 4>the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 2>Why well all that, why do you say five and seven?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we're gonna talk. Oh you know what I've had,

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<v Speaker 2>I should have talked about the Vikings tonight. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>you're right, because I know we had talked about that earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you what, we'll talk about that at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the show. We'll talk about the game because

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<v Speaker 2>people will have probably seen that game already by the

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<v Speaker 2>time they listen to this anyway, But we talked about

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<v Speaker 2>the Vikings at five and seven, like they're still in

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<v Speaker 2>the playoffs. You never know it's the seventh spot, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the Saints are still there.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess, man, But five straight Dan with Taysom Hill

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<v Speaker 4>at quarterback, I mean, they just they don't have a

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<v Speaker 4>quarterback who can win out. They need to win out,

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<v Speaker 4>and they're just not gonna do it with what they

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<v Speaker 4>have on offense right now.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, I will say this. I'll point a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of things out, just so you know. This has

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with why I'm not taking the but

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<v Speaker 2>I will point out Elijah Moore is battling the quad

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<v Speaker 2>injury like that popped up on the practice report, which

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<v Speaker 2>and it didn't sound like Robert Solid didn't come out

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<v Speaker 2>and been like this is nothing, it's maintenance, We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to take it easy. It was something where he was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see about it. So I'm at least a little

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<v Speaker 2>cautious there. Tevin Coleman, also dealing with the concussion, may

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<v Speaker 2>not play, and I know it's Tevin Coleman. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>like that makes a huge difference, but they are dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with some injuries. Keeling cole By the way, just as

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<v Speaker 2>we were sitting down the record placed on the COVID

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen list, I don't know the details of that. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>not that that matters that much, right, It's not like

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<v Speaker 2>these guys are doing it pad. I just like I

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<v Speaker 2>can see a scenario with Alvin Kamara back in this game,

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<v Speaker 2>which he's supposed to be that I won't say a

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<v Speaker 2>Patriots esque game plan here, but they can just go

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<v Speaker 2>out there and run the ball non stop whatsoever. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you have, let's say, the one thing the Saints

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<v Speaker 2>do really well on defense is stop the run. And

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<v Speaker 2>if the Jets can't run the ball at all, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're looking at it has to be Zach Wilson to

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<v Speaker 2>put up points here with the inability to move the

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<v Speaker 2>ball on the ground, that just makes me worried. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like the Saints. I'm not taking the Saints

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<v Speaker 2>on the road laying the weird dead number of five

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<v Speaker 2>and a half. But it's a game that I looked

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<v Speaker 2>at and I just went, ugh, this is a game

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<v Speaker 2>I want to run away from. Uh So that's really

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<v Speaker 2>why that's where my hesitation comes from.

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<v Speaker 3>Understandable, Yeah, I'm just.

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<v Speaker 4>I agree that the Saints defense is pretty good and

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<v Speaker 4>the running game could be an issue, although I think

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<v Speaker 4>even if Tevin Coleman isn't able to go, I think

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<v Speaker 4>they would be able to squeeze enough out of ty

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<v Speaker 4>Tyd Johnson. And there who's the mischievous Walter Austin Walter.

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<v Speaker 3>I forgot about his name.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so should I mean should we like the under

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<v Speaker 4>here at forty two and a half?

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<v Speaker 3>Too?

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<v Speaker 2>It was under consideration for me, Pat for sure. I my,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if they're ever a defensive score, I could

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<v Speaker 2>see happening here. But yeah, I mean, look, why would

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<v Speaker 2>you throw the ball if you're the Saints in this game?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the Jets cannot stop the run. You have

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<v Speaker 2>your best playmaker obviously on offense is Alvin Kamara, and

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<v Speaker 2>you've got a quarterback who's got mallet finger and by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, doesn't even have the Deontay Harris, right, like,

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<v Speaker 2>let me have a slant and take it seventy yards

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<v Speaker 2>to the house. It does strike me as the under

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<v Speaker 2>is the right play when it's a total that low,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm about to take an over under also on

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<v Speaker 2>the under, also with a total that's close to that low.

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<v Speaker 2>But it gives me sort of concerns. But I do

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<v Speaker 2>like the under better than the side in this one.

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<v Speaker 2>You like the under as well if you had to

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<v Speaker 2>go one way.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I like the under two, but I would take

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<v Speaker 3>the side first.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, I'm staying away from the side, And

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<v Speaker 2>again I want to make it clear I'm not against

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<v Speaker 2>you in this one. We'll get to one where I'm

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<v Speaker 2>against you, Pat, but I'm not against you on this one.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know it's got to be. I've got to

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<v Speaker 1>feel really.

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<v Speaker 2>Strong if I'm going to back the Jets, and I

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<v Speaker 2>certainly don't hear so you know if actually I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even have a if I had to go way, I

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<v Speaker 2>would go this way. If I had to go one way,

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<v Speaker 2>I would you root for the asteroid and jump out

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<v Speaker 2>the window and do something else. I'm gonna start with

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<v Speaker 2>the total, Pat, And then I was thinking maybe I'll

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<v Speaker 2>start with the game that I know we're on different sides.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll start with the total, though, since we talked about

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<v Speaker 2>a low total, I will give an equally low total

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<v Speaker 2>here the Panthers and the Falcons, Pat and I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>under forty two and a half. Carolina fired Joe Brady

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<v Speaker 2>and the stated reason was he doesn't run enough, Like

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<v Speaker 2>he is not running the ball enough. So I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what the over under is on rush attempts here

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<v Speaker 2>between Cam and Chuba Hubbard and you want to get

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<v Speaker 2>a mirror of Dullah involved in there, but it's got

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<v Speaker 2>to be like thirty five or something like that. Like

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<v Speaker 2>they're just gonna run the ball the entire time, is

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<v Speaker 2>what I guess, especially Pat after we saw Cam, who's

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<v Speaker 2>going to start in this game. I know he's not confirmed,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's gonna start. Go five for twenty one in

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<v Speaker 2>their most recent game. Like the passing game isn't really working,

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<v Speaker 2>so I don't expect them to attempt too many passes.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, a lot of running attempts that bleeds the clock.

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<v Speaker 2>That's kind of what we're saying here with this Jets game.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Falcons are bad defend for sure. Uh there's

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<v Speaker 2>the dog areas. Don't worry about it. Pat, you're very

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<v Speaker 2>concerned about the dog barking. I promise you it's not

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<v Speaker 2>a big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever. I will not let my crazy man in. But anyway, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't worry about it because I do know you are

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<v Speaker 2>concerned about the dog barking, So don't worry about.

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<v Speaker 1>What's her anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Falcons are bad defensively, but they are worse

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<v Speaker 2>against the pass than they are against the run. Like

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<v Speaker 2>that's just the way it is, and I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>part of why they get beaten so badly.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think with running it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the scoring, I don't think that the Panthers will

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<v Speaker 2>be able to just run down the field every single

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<v Speaker 2>drive and score necessarily, especially without Christian McCaffrey. But I

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<v Speaker 2>do think that they'll have long, sustained drives and that'll

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<v Speaker 2>bleed the clock a little bit. And on defense, the

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<v Speaker 2>Panthers get a lot of pressure that is bad for

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Ryan. You've got probably gilmour can just stick on

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<v Speaker 2>Kyle Pitts and take him out of the game, like

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much every team has been doing of late, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they focus everything else. I just getting pressure on

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Ryan and taking away Cordero Patterson and then the

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<v Speaker 2>Falcons are out of luck on offense. Ryan was not

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<v Speaker 2>great against them in the first game. Now you're on

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<v Speaker 2>the road in a second division game, which I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like the teams know each other already at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>They usually feels like it leads itself to a little

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<v Speaker 2>you know, scoring loll Here again, they're both five and seven, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>realistically they're both out of the playoff hunt, but they're

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<v Speaker 2>also still in the playoff hunt. Carolina needs a win

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<v Speaker 2>and they're all in right. I mean, they went for

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<v Speaker 2>Gilmour like they went for it this year even if

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<v Speaker 2>they shouldn't have, so they need to win here. I

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<v Speaker 2>think the defense plays really well, holds Atlanta down, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think with all the running that this is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be like a really low scoring game here. It

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<v Speaker 2>strikes me as like a like a twenty thirteen type

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<v Speaker 2>of game here, So I will go the under even

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<v Speaker 2>though it's low here at forty two and a half.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm probably going to piggyback you on that one.

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<v Speaker 4>We saw the first game Carolina one, nineteen thirteen when

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<v Speaker 4>they met earlier. We have not seen any appreciable improvements

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<v Speaker 4>in either offense since then. I hate everything about the

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<v Speaker 4>Falcons offense except Cordero Patterson pretty much. You know, we

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<v Speaker 4>have talked about this on our Sunday Recap pod, where

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<v Speaker 4>we have seen instances where Matt Ryan drops back to pass,

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<v Speaker 4>gets like four seconds of protection, scans the field, still

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<v Speaker 4>cannot find an open receiver and like eventually takes a sack.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, like Cam is just like, we've got some

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<v Speaker 4>really bad passers playing quarterback in the NFL this week.

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<v Speaker 3>I got some really.

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<v Speaker 4>Non functional passing games, and I think we're looking at

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<v Speaker 4>one with Carolina too. So as you said, it's probably

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<v Speaker 4>going to be a thirty five running rushing attempt game

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<v Speaker 4>for Carolina that's going to speed up the game. This

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<v Speaker 4>is one of those that could be over at like

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<v Speaker 4>two fifty five Central time.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, yes, So.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm with you here. I think this one plays under.

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<v Speaker 4>I was kind of surprised to see it as high

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<v Speaker 4>as it was.

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<v Speaker 1>What game ends first, Pat Saint Chetz or Falcons father.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's boy.

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<v Speaker 4>That is going to be a sprint to two sprinters

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<v Speaker 4>going at it like Ussein Bolts trying to get under

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<v Speaker 4>the four pm Eastern wire.

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<v Speaker 1>I want.

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<v Speaker 2>I want our books to start making. That is something

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<v Speaker 2>we can bet on which game end ends.

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<v Speaker 3>First, fun weekly prop, wouldn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like we'll start our own sports book. We'll get

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<v Speaker 2>that going, all right, So that's my first pick.

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<v Speaker 1>Go for number two. Whatever you want.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you got since we're on the Undersdan, how

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<v Speaker 4>about Jacksonville Tennessee under forty three and a half. I

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<v Speaker 4>mean Jacksonville has scored ten point seven points a game

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<v Speaker 4>in their last six just a completely dysfunctional passing game.

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<v Speaker 3>We know that.

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<v Speaker 4>And now the running game. You know, Urban Meyer choosing

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<v Speaker 4>to punish James Robinson for you know, a fumble where

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<v Speaker 4>he's slammed to the ground by Aaron Donald and then

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<v Speaker 4>like Carlos side lose is a much worse fumble. I

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<v Speaker 4>think it was like four series or three series after

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<v Speaker 4>that fumble that James Robinson didn't play and Hide has

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<v Speaker 4>a softer fumble and then plays the very next series.

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<v Speaker 3>But never mind that.

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<v Speaker 4>So we know the Jacksonville offense is gonna struggle to

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<v Speaker 4>put up like even seventeen points, and the Tennessee offense,

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<v Speaker 4>since Dereck Henry got hurt. They that surprisingly good performance

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<v Speaker 4>against the Rams where they won twenty eight to sixteen,

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<v Speaker 4>then twenty three to twenty one against the Saints, but

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<v Speaker 4>since then they lost what twenty two to thirteen to

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<v Speaker 4>Houston and last week thirty six or two weeks ago

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<v Speaker 4>thirty six thirteen to New England. You know, tougher matchup,

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<v Speaker 4>but we still don't know if Julio Jones is going

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<v Speaker 4>to play, and this is a barely functional passing game.

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<v Speaker 4>Even if he does play, I think we've got the

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<v Speaker 4>amalgam of running backs they have, like it's it's not

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<v Speaker 4>an offense.

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<v Speaker 3>To be feared.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not too worried about like the Titan Titans putting

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<v Speaker 4>up thirty in this game to push it over single handedly.

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<v Speaker 4>So I mean, I think you get a real good

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<v Speaker 4>percentage play with the under here. Not saying it's foolproof,

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<v Speaker 4>but you know, I feel like you're seventy percent this

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<v Speaker 4>plays under.

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<v Speaker 2>Certainly none of the bets that anybody gives out as

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<v Speaker 2>full proof, But yes, I agree with you here because

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<v Speaker 2>I do think that certainly the Titans offense since all

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<v Speaker 2>the injuries, has been pretty stagnant and understandably so, it's

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<v Speaker 2>never been an explosive offense. You've just had the best

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<v Speaker 2>running back you know playing in the game right now,

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<v Speaker 2>dominating and that allowing you know, Ryan Tannehill to be

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<v Speaker 2>the most efficient quarterback in the NFL. So with this,

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<v Speaker 2>even if Julio Jones plays, like, this is not a

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<v Speaker 2>Titans team that is going to basically go out there

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<v Speaker 2>and put up a million points unless I get some

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<v Speaker 2>sort of defensive score, because that's just not what they

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<v Speaker 2>want to do, especially in the game that they are

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<v Speaker 2>favored to win by eight and a half or nine

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<v Speaker 2>depending on the book. That they don't need to push it,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't need to take chances. And you mentioned, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the game against the Rams, there's a defensive score, like

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<v Speaker 2>their points come from defense, right, It's not like their

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<v Speaker 2>offense has ever lit it up since they've had all

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<v Speaker 2>the injuries. And Julio Jones, like if he plays, if

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't play, I love Julio Jones, pat, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>not like AJ Brown isn't there, and even when he was,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like they were really doing all that much anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>So I am with you here. I think both teams

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<v Speaker 1>struggled to score.

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<v Speaker 2>So man, unders huh, that's what we're doing in this

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<v Speaker 2>game in this podcast, right, now, huh can make one other.

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<v Speaker 4>Just the Tennessee's run defense is really good. And if

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<v Speaker 4>you're forcing Jacksonville to be one dimensional and lean on

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<v Speaker 4>the pass, right, boy, I mean, that's going to damage

0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:26.600
<v Speaker 4>their chances. And uh, you know, the Jacksonville defense is

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<v Speaker 4>not a complete pushover either.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct.

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<v Speaker 2>That was actually the next one I want to make,

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<v Speaker 2>which is I think we think of the Jacksonville because

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<v Speaker 2>I think sometimes you think of teams being terrible and

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<v Speaker 2>you assume that every part of the team is terrible,

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<v Speaker 2>and the overall defense for Jacksonville is not. And so

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to probably lend itself to a game that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be relatively low scoring. So I really hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>even thought about this one very much, Pat until you

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<v Speaker 2>brought it up.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do like it.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'll try it on it. But let look, I

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<v Speaker 2>have two picks left. Okay, one of them I feel

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<v Speaker 2>a little less confident in, and I've sort of been

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<v Speaker 2>debating when I was thinking about the third pick. One

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<v Speaker 2>of them I like a lot, and it is the

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<v Speaker 2>one Pat, which we are on opposite side. So we

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<v Speaker 2>talked about I kept waiting for you to bring it up.

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<v Speaker 2>You were waiting for me to bring it up. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>start then, and it is the forty nine ers that

0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:18.200
<v Speaker 2>are visiting the Bengals, And right now the forty nine

0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:20.080
<v Speaker 2>ers are laying a point. When I looked at it

0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:22.439
<v Speaker 2>with Joe and I said, I loved it. Then it

0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:25.040
<v Speaker 2>was the forty nine ers getting a point. So there's

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<v Speaker 2>probably been a little money. Not that it doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 2>to me, like giving a point, getting a point really

0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:30.919
<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter if you cross hear at that point. But

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<v Speaker 2>I do like the forty nine ers. You'll be on

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<v Speaker 2>the other side for one of your picks. And we

0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:36.760
<v Speaker 2>talked about that whether or not that made sense, and

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<v Speaker 2>I said, you and I are known to agree on

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<v Speaker 2>many things.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's disagree.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll make my case first, Pat, that's good with you,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you can counter.

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<v Speaker 1>Good, absolutely wonderful, all right. So this is the one

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<v Speaker 1>I really do like right now.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know there are some people out there who

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<v Speaker 2>like to fade me, which is great, And in this

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<v Speaker 2>case you've got an extra reason because you've got Pat

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<v Speaker 2>going on the other side. So I continue to fade

0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:01.000
<v Speaker 2>the Bengals Pat generally as the team I think they've

0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:04.400
<v Speaker 2>been overrated. That does not always work out. It does

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes like last week with the Chargers. Certainly the forty

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<v Speaker 2>nine Ers are a better team crew you know, not

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<v Speaker 2>a crude metric, but the most basic metric, again is

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<v Speaker 2>just total DVOA. The forty nine Ers are seventh, the

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<v Speaker 2>Bengals are nineteen. The forty nine Ers are a better

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<v Speaker 2>team than the Cincinnati Bengals. I have no doubt that

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<v Speaker 2>you look away to DVA that's more recent games, the

0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:24.960
<v Speaker 2>forty nine Ers are actually fifth and the Bengals are twentieth.

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<v Speaker 2>Since the forty nine Ers basically stopped with the they

0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:30.760
<v Speaker 2>haven't had the opportunity really with because of Trey Lance's injury.

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<v Speaker 2>But since they stopped the gimmicky stuff with giving Trey

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<v Speaker 2>Lance and splinting bots and Kyle Shannon came out and

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<v Speaker 2>talked about how that wasn't really working for them, the

0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:39.520
<v Speaker 2>offense has just been a lot better. They've got a

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<v Speaker 2>really good offensive line, They've got an incredible blocking tight

0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:46.959
<v Speaker 2>end in George Kittle. They're EPA offensively. The forty nine

0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:49.560
<v Speaker 2>Ers are ninth and the Bengals are twentieth and EPA

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<v Speaker 2>per play. Since Week ten, the forty nine Ers are fourth,

0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:56.120
<v Speaker 2>so they're really rolling here. Offensively. Both teams have injuries here,

0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:59.000
<v Speaker 2>Pat like, we can't discount that on either side. But

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<v Speaker 2>I actually think that the angles injuries are more significant

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<v Speaker 2>right now than the forty nine ers, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the reasons why I lean this way. So

0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Deevo Samuel Patt, I'm thinking, honestly he might. Then there's

0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:12.120
<v Speaker 2>optimism from Kyle Shannan. I'm expecting Devo to not play

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<v Speaker 2>in this game. I would love it if Elijah Mitchell

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<v Speaker 2>is able to suit up. I will be fine with

0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:19.760
<v Speaker 2>this even if Elijah Mitchell does not suit up, whether

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<v Speaker 2>or not it's Jamichael Hasty or Jeff Wilson's able to

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<v Speaker 2>come back. We know Emmanuel Moseley's already out in that secondary.

0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Fred Warner though, is back and practicing in full.

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<v Speaker 1>That's big.

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<v Speaker 2>But the injuries for the Bengals Pat the finger injury

0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:34.680
<v Speaker 2>for Burrow, and really that's kind of like the critical

0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:36.800
<v Speaker 2>point for me, Like that was an ugly injury. He

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<v Speaker 2>did not look good throwing the ball after that.

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<v Speaker 1>We have seen what these finger injuries do.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's the pinky, so it's a little different

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<v Speaker 2>than Wilson, but we've seen what these finger injuries do.

0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:47.120
<v Speaker 2>It's not as if like he's out there in practice

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm totally fine.

0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:48.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm totally fine.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like I can play through it and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that is going to affect the way

0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:55.640
<v Speaker 2>the Bengals are offensively. Not to mention T Higgins dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with an ankle injury, which happened at the very end

0:19:57.840 --> 0:19:59.439
<v Speaker 2>of that game. I didn't really realize it, but he

0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:03.600
<v Speaker 2>hasn't practic yet, and defensively two pat for the Bengals.

0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:06.600
<v Speaker 2>You know, a Woozia he might be out in this game.

0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:08.560
<v Speaker 2>That's a big loss for them. He might play, but

0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:11.600
<v Speaker 2>we already know Logan Wilson is out. That's a big loss.

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<v Speaker 2>They are coming east, Pat, and I know I never

0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:17.199
<v Speaker 2>love West Coast teams coming east, but the four to

0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:19.840
<v Speaker 2>twenty five game makes it a little more palatable to

0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:22.520
<v Speaker 2>me because it doesn't mess with their internal clocks. I

0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:24.880
<v Speaker 2>think the forty nine ers win this game, Pat, and

0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:28.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, the injury, especially the Burrow, makes me feel

0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:29.120
<v Speaker 2>even better about it.

0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:31.600
<v Speaker 1>That is my case. That is why one of my.

0:20:31.720 --> 0:20:35.160
<v Speaker 2>Picks is San Francisco giving one now to the Bengals

0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:36.000
<v Speaker 2>in Cincinnati.

0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:40.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so initially this started as San Francisco with a

0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:41.720
<v Speaker 4>one point correct.

0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:43.719
<v Speaker 2>They were, they were getting a point correct, they were

0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:45.800
<v Speaker 2>getting a point. Now they're a one point favorite.

0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:51.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so wait, I'm sorry. Who was initially the favorite?

0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:54.880
<v Speaker 2>The Bengals were initially the favorite. It is now enough

0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:58.920
<v Speaker 2>to San Francisco being the favorite. San Francisco I assume,

0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:03.080
<v Speaker 2>I really, I I have to believe Pat, that that's

0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:04.240
<v Speaker 2>that's injury related.

0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:06.200
<v Speaker 1>I have to believe it because I.

0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:10.600
<v Speaker 2>Think Burrow's comments not that he's gonna play. Burrow's tough guy.

0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:12.080
<v Speaker 1>We've seen it. He's gonna play.

0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:16.199
<v Speaker 2>But I think his comments have been less than like,

0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:18.200
<v Speaker 2>oh man, I'm good, let's go.

0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:21.080
<v Speaker 1>I feel great. It's more like I'm gonna be I'm

0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:22.639
<v Speaker 1>gonna manage it, I'm gonna play through it.

0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:25.119
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, my guess is that's why the money

0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:26.920
<v Speaker 2>came in. But again, to me, Pat, it doesn't really

0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:29.600
<v Speaker 2>matter one on on either side. Crossing zero doesn't matter

0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:30.760
<v Speaker 2>that much to me, but go ahead.

0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:31.159
<v Speaker 1>Sorry.

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<v Speaker 4>No, he has said that it hurts like hell, and

0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:36.639
<v Speaker 4>he saw him like those those practice throws on the

0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:41.680
<v Speaker 4>sideline where he was just like an excruciating pain. So yeah,

0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:44.840
<v Speaker 4>that is Admittedly, that is a big wild card that

0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:46.520
<v Speaker 4>I maybe.

0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:47.720
<v Speaker 3>I am not accounting for enough.

0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:52.199
<v Speaker 4>You know, we've seen this, this Bengals team drill some

0:21:52.280 --> 0:21:57.399
<v Speaker 4>of their divisional rivals and not bad teams either, but

0:21:57.440 --> 0:22:02.440
<v Speaker 4>they have been schizophrenic. Yes, that game against the Chargers

0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:06.400
<v Speaker 4>last week a really tough loss for them, but they

0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:10.760
<v Speaker 4>fought pretty hard to stay in a game that was looking.

0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:12.000
<v Speaker 3>Like it was going to be a blowout.

0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:15.520
<v Speaker 4>I just think this is a good enough team to

0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:20.760
<v Speaker 4>do something about a bad home loss and bounce back

0:22:20.840 --> 0:22:25.400
<v Speaker 4>against a team coming east, Yes, the West Coast coming

0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:28.240
<v Speaker 4>into the Eastern time thing. I'd feel much stronger about that,

0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:29.879
<v Speaker 4>of course, if it was an early start.

0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:31.920
<v Speaker 3>Although that old betting.

0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:37.480
<v Speaker 4>Axiom has not exactly, you know, been one hundred percent

0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:40.280
<v Speaker 4>by any means this year. But you know, I do

0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:45.520
<v Speaker 4>like the good team coming off a bad loss. That

0:22:45.520 --> 0:22:47.719
<v Speaker 4>that's kind of one thing I'm leaning on here. And

0:22:48.000 --> 0:22:50.560
<v Speaker 4>I don't think the Bengals are going to lose too

0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:56.560
<v Speaker 4>straight at home to West Coast teams. So and I

0:22:56.600 --> 0:22:59.480
<v Speaker 4>think they've got the better quarterback here Dan, Like I mean,

0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:05.560
<v Speaker 4>even if Burrow is completely incapacitated and we see him

0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:08.639
<v Speaker 4>sailing throws, like, I'll pay my money and know that

0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:12.119
<v Speaker 4>I made the wrong bats, but you know, Jimmy makes

0:23:12.240 --> 0:23:16.520
<v Speaker 4>like two or three just like bad mistakes every game.

0:23:16.960 --> 0:23:19.440
<v Speaker 3>I don't think he's a terrible quarterback.

0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:24.000
<v Speaker 4>But like he's going to give you some turnover opportunities

0:23:24.080 --> 0:23:27.280
<v Speaker 4>like every game. It happens every game, and I feel

0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:30.479
<v Speaker 4>like if the Bengals can capitalize on that get a

0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:33.440
<v Speaker 4>turnover to I really like their chances here.

0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:36.119
<v Speaker 2>So I think the only thing I'll say is the

0:23:36.160 --> 0:23:39.600
<v Speaker 2>good team coming off a bad loss goes both ways, right,

0:23:39.720 --> 0:23:42.320
<v Speaker 2>because the forty nine ers right coming off that loss,

0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:46.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean that honestly, neutral field, everyone healthy, who's the

0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:46.879
<v Speaker 2>better team?

0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:49.080
<v Speaker 1>Do you think in your mind forty nine Ers are

0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:49.600
<v Speaker 1>the Bengals?

0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:51.520
<v Speaker 3>I mean, to me, it's still really close.

0:23:51.640 --> 0:23:54.760
<v Speaker 4>Dan, Like, I have a greater belief in this Bengals

0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:57.919
<v Speaker 4>team maybe than I should, But you know, I like

0:23:58.240 --> 0:24:00.040
<v Speaker 4>there was a point early in the season where I

0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:04.240
<v Speaker 4>thought they could be a legitimate AFC Championship contender. I'm

0:24:04.240 --> 0:24:06.639
<v Speaker 4>not sure if I still believe that now, like they've

0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:10.199
<v Speaker 4>there have been some some leaks exposed, I think, but

0:24:10.840 --> 0:24:12.280
<v Speaker 4>I still think it's a pretty good team.

0:24:12.840 --> 0:24:16.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I mean again, and there's you know, for me,

0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:19.960
<v Speaker 2>it's been personally something where I have just been avoiding them,

0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:22.240
<v Speaker 2>and again it has not always worked out.

0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:25.000
<v Speaker 1>I faded them and they have romped at times.

0:24:25.480 --> 0:24:28.959
<v Speaker 2>But I do think that especially with the injuries, I

0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:30.920
<v Speaker 2>liked it before, Pat, I love it really now.

0:24:30.960 --> 0:24:33.080
<v Speaker 1>Like even if Burrow's like, I'm good.

0:24:32.880 --> 0:24:35.000
<v Speaker 2>And he looks gonna warm up, I mean, you know,

0:24:35.040 --> 0:24:36.960
<v Speaker 2>he takes a hit or something on the hand a

0:24:36.960 --> 0:24:39.600
<v Speaker 2>little bit like just makes me too worried with it.

0:24:39.640 --> 0:24:40.280
<v Speaker 1>But this is good.

0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:42.159
<v Speaker 2>I think it's good that we're on different sides, and

0:24:42.200 --> 0:24:44.520
<v Speaker 2>I know we'll have six bets, but it'll be different.

0:24:44.560 --> 0:24:47.000
<v Speaker 2>And the one thing I will say to our audience,

0:24:47.040 --> 0:24:49.280
<v Speaker 2>by the way, is because Pat and I talk all

0:24:49.320 --> 0:24:50.760
<v Speaker 2>the time, obviously.

0:24:51.119 --> 0:24:54.040
<v Speaker 1>We feel when we get a pick wrong.

0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:56.679
<v Speaker 2>Like we were taxing Pat on Thanksgiving because you were

0:24:56.680 --> 0:25:00.239
<v Speaker 2>on before Thanksgiving and you had the total four the

0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:04.440
<v Speaker 2>Dallas uh Las Vegas game wrong and you were upset

0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:08.080
<v Speaker 2>and you thought you had gotten the Detroit Chicago game

0:25:08.119 --> 0:25:10.199
<v Speaker 2>wrong because you would bet the money line yourself on

0:25:10.280 --> 0:25:12.240
<v Speaker 2>a personal play, but you had actually taken Detroit with

0:25:12.240 --> 0:25:15.800
<v Speaker 2>the spread. But I remember how bad you felt about it,

0:25:16.240 --> 0:25:17.240
<v Speaker 2>and I always feel the.

0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:17.719
<v Speaker 1>Same way too.

0:25:17.720 --> 0:25:20.000
<v Speaker 2>I hope everybody understands that, like when we give out picks,

0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:21.640
<v Speaker 2>like we want you guys to.

0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:24.640
<v Speaker 1>Be able to be profitable. So I thinks, so one

0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:25.159
<v Speaker 1>of us.

0:25:25.040 --> 0:25:27.879
<v Speaker 2>Pat is going to be really good at you know,

0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:30.719
<v Speaker 2>right before we do our fantasy show on the recap,

0:25:30.760 --> 0:25:32.160
<v Speaker 2>one of us is going to be in a bad mood.

0:25:32.280 --> 0:25:34.600
<v Speaker 4>So oh yeah, there's not going to be any trash

0:25:34.680 --> 0:25:36.040
<v Speaker 4>talking about that whatsoever.

0:25:36.320 --> 0:25:36.879
<v Speaker 1>We'll be fine.

0:25:37.400 --> 0:25:39.119
<v Speaker 4>Can I add one more thing about that game, just

0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:43.120
<v Speaker 4>one less points to make. I mean with the unit

0:25:43.240 --> 0:25:46.760
<v Speaker 4>versus unit matchups. One I forgot the pinpoint was just

0:25:47.680 --> 0:25:50.960
<v Speaker 4>the Bengals receivers against this forty nine or secondary. Yeah,

0:25:50.960 --> 0:25:53.680
<v Speaker 4>if the forty nine ers have a glaring achilles heel,

0:25:54.359 --> 0:25:57.000
<v Speaker 4>it is their secondary. And just you know that they

0:25:57.080 --> 0:26:02.040
<v Speaker 4>don't have very many capable cornerbacks. And you know, if

0:26:02.040 --> 0:26:06.119
<v Speaker 4>we get a healthy enough t Higgins, the Bengals can

0:26:06.160 --> 0:26:10.720
<v Speaker 4>deploy three very good wide receivers against a pretty terrible

0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:11.920
<v Speaker 4>group of cornerbacks.

0:26:12.720 --> 0:26:15.359
<v Speaker 3>But you know, again that all comes back.

0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:19.520
<v Speaker 4>To Burrow's ability to deliver tight FROs and you know

0:26:20.640 --> 0:26:24.560
<v Speaker 4>overcome that finger injury. So yes, yeah, that is the

0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:27.800
<v Speaker 4>Burrow finger could definitely torpedo this one for me and

0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:31.760
<v Speaker 4>you know, have you grinning ear to hear on Sunday

0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:32.160
<v Speaker 4>night day?

0:26:32.440 --> 0:26:34.679
<v Speaker 2>It's very rare, Pat, but I'm a happy man on

0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:36.520
<v Speaker 2>Sunday night. But let's hope for this time, and I

0:26:36.960 --> 0:26:38.480
<v Speaker 2>certainly will not rub it in as I hope you

0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:41.639
<v Speaker 2>don't if you are correct as well. My last pick, Pat,

0:26:41.680 --> 0:26:43.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how you're gonna feel about this one,

0:26:43.400 --> 0:26:45.399
<v Speaker 2>and I've kind of agonized that it because this is

0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:47.760
<v Speaker 2>one Pat where I had an initial instinct when I

0:26:47.800 --> 0:26:49.800
<v Speaker 2>saw the line and I talked about it on Monday,

0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:51.880
<v Speaker 2>and then as I dug into it, I didn't feel

0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:54.040
<v Speaker 2>quite as great about it. But I don't love that

0:26:54.119 --> 0:26:56.080
<v Speaker 2>many games this week, So I'm gonna stick with my

0:26:56.160 --> 0:26:58.520
<v Speaker 2>initial instinct here and I am going to take the

0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Ravens visit in Cleveland and right now getting two and

0:27:02.000 --> 0:27:03.320
<v Speaker 2>a half. But the one thing I will say is

0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:06.639
<v Speaker 2>there is there are threes out there, and my book

0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:08.760
<v Speaker 2>at Drackings, for example, is that a three. So I

0:27:08.760 --> 0:27:10.639
<v Speaker 2>would not bet this right now if you are a

0:27:10.720 --> 0:27:12.600
<v Speaker 2>Ravens backer like I am, and if the and if

0:27:12.640 --> 0:27:14.280
<v Speaker 2>the consensus moves to three, that's going to be my

0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:15.000
<v Speaker 2>official play.

0:27:15.160 --> 0:27:16.439
<v Speaker 1>And if it moves down That'll be my.

0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:19.520
<v Speaker 2>Official play wherever it closes closer on Saturday night, because

0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:21.760
<v Speaker 2>I do think that this might get to three here,

0:27:21.840 --> 0:27:23.240
<v Speaker 2>because I think there are a lot of things a

0:27:23.240 --> 0:27:26.920
<v Speaker 2>favorite Cleveland, like they're off a bye, the Ravens are

0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:28.879
<v Speaker 2>absolutely decimated by injury, of course.

0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:30.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's that's why Harbaugh said that they.

0:27:30.560 --> 0:27:32.720
<v Speaker 2>Went for two, because they didn't have anybody who could

0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:35.479
<v Speaker 2>stop the pass anymore. They are coming off of a

0:27:35.480 --> 0:27:39.040
<v Speaker 2>brutal game here. Lamar Jackson has not looked good, and

0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:41.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't ever remember this, pat. I don't

0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:44.720
<v Speaker 2>remember that often where you get a team that plays

0:27:44.800 --> 0:27:47.320
<v Speaker 2>an opposing team, then gets a bye, then plays that

0:27:47.359 --> 0:27:49.400
<v Speaker 2>same team like we've got here with Cleveland, where it's

0:27:49.400 --> 0:27:52.879
<v Speaker 2>basically you've had three weeks to dedicate yourself to Baltimore.

0:27:53.400 --> 0:27:56.600
<v Speaker 2>That's tough for Baltimore for sure, because this is all

0:27:56.680 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 2>they've had in their head. But I just have no

0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:03.400
<v Speaker 2>faith in Cleveland right now. And I think Baker Mayfield,

0:28:03.800 --> 0:28:06.040
<v Speaker 2>this is a week off does not cure Baker Mayfield.

0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:08.480
<v Speaker 2>Right Like Mayfield, you seem every game pad he looks

0:28:08.520 --> 0:28:12.040
<v Speaker 2>like he's about to just basically walk off. And the

0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:15.240
<v Speaker 2>injuries to the Ravens, especially in their quarterback. We lost

0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:18.280
<v Speaker 2>Marlon Humphrey. That's not that big a deal necessarily with

0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:20.880
<v Speaker 2>a team like Cleveland who doesn't really have that wide

0:28:20.920 --> 0:28:23.639
<v Speaker 2>receiver that threatens you right now, right I mean Donovan

0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:25.919
<v Speaker 2>People's Jonans, Travis Landry and the guy who's gonna, you know,

0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:27.439
<v Speaker 2>go deep. He'll get his catches like he did in

0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:29.440
<v Speaker 2>the first game, but still not a guy who really

0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:31.199
<v Speaker 2>threatens you. They want to run the ball. That's all

0:28:31.200 --> 0:28:33.000
<v Speaker 2>they really want to do. That's the Ravens strength. Their

0:28:33.080 --> 0:28:36.879
<v Speaker 2>fifth in defensive DVOA against the run. The Ravens are

0:28:36.880 --> 0:28:38.760
<v Speaker 2>well coached, as we know. I think Harbaugh will be

0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:41.160
<v Speaker 2>able to sort of get them through. They sort of

0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:43.440
<v Speaker 2>match up well in what they do. Like the Ravens

0:28:43.520 --> 0:28:46.400
<v Speaker 2>red zone defense is really good. Cleveland's red zone offense

0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:50.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of stinks, and I know that the offense has

0:28:50.800 --> 0:28:54.479
<v Speaker 2>really been struggling badly. And Lamar Jackson doesn't look good,

0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:56.760
<v Speaker 2>but I'm hoping this is a little bit of the

0:28:56.760 --> 0:28:58.600
<v Speaker 2>illness that he's been dealing with, and as he gets

0:28:58.640 --> 0:29:01.640
<v Speaker 2>further apart away from that, he'll look back closer to

0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:04.040
<v Speaker 2>what he looked like earlier in the season and Cleveland

0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:05.960
<v Speaker 2>plays a lot of his own that usually you know,

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:08.880
<v Speaker 2>plays into what Lamar strings are. So again, it's a

0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:13.320
<v Speaker 2>divisional games, it's usually close, especially with the second one.

0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:15.720
<v Speaker 2>They just played a game where Lamar Jackson threw four

0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:19.120
<v Speaker 2>picks and the Ravens still won the game. Like, I

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:20.840
<v Speaker 2>don't know, man, I think the Ravens are coming out

0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:22.720
<v Speaker 2>of here with a win that they need despite how

0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:23.400
<v Speaker 2>banged up they are.

0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:24.560
<v Speaker 1>I think they're just a better team.

0:29:24.600 --> 0:29:26.680
<v Speaker 2>But I am interested to hear your thoughts because it

0:29:26.760 --> 0:29:28.600
<v Speaker 2>is one where I've debated kind of all week.

0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:31.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is one I'm probably not gonna be touching.

0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:35.000
<v Speaker 4>And we've talked about my strange pool to bet the

0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:38.360
<v Speaker 4>Ravens in every single week and play it out as

0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:40.080
<v Speaker 4>a league. And I'm on a two game winning streak

0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:43.480
<v Speaker 4>to get back to six and six, all right, I

0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:46.280
<v Speaker 4>tentatively have taken the Browns in this just because.

0:29:46.360 --> 0:29:48.760
<v Speaker 3>And the angle that I hooked onto was.

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:53.160
<v Speaker 4>The weird scheduling quirk that the Browns have just stewed

0:29:53.240 --> 0:29:55.760
<v Speaker 4>on this game during their bye week and you know,

0:29:55.960 --> 0:29:58.800
<v Speaker 4>had all this extra time to watch film, and you know,

0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:00.760
<v Speaker 4>it's a pretty competent coaching staff.

0:30:00.800 --> 0:30:02.160
<v Speaker 3>I think on the Cleveland side.

0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:05.240
<v Speaker 4>So you mentioned the Marlin Humphrey injury again, I think

0:30:05.280 --> 0:30:07.160
<v Speaker 4>this is like one of the few teams that's not

0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:09.640
<v Speaker 4>going to be able to really capitalize on that very much.

0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:15.720
<v Speaker 4>Just not a strong group of receivers, not a good quarterback. Yeah,

0:30:15.920 --> 0:30:20.880
<v Speaker 4>Ravens under twenty points in three straights, the Browns thirty

0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:24.320
<v Speaker 4>total points in their last three. This just could be

0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:28.600
<v Speaker 4>an absolute rock fight. And you know, I think the

0:30:28.640 --> 0:30:31.120
<v Speaker 4>reason I'm going to be laying off in a game that,

0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:34.719
<v Speaker 4>you know, could be this low scoring and weird, Like,

0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:38.080
<v Speaker 4>I just think some sort of weird play a turnover,

0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:41.080
<v Speaker 4>a fumble return for a touchdown could like totally swing it.

0:30:41.160 --> 0:30:45.880
<v Speaker 4>A special teams play, you know. I just like, I'm

0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:48.640
<v Speaker 4>not going to feel good about whichever side I take

0:30:48.680 --> 0:30:50.800
<v Speaker 4>in this one, So I'm kind of just staying away.

0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:53.560
<v Speaker 2>Maybe we should have made this another underplay for us

0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:56.360
<v Speaker 2>here at forty three given the offensive struggles, Right, maybe

0:30:56.520 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 2>you go.

0:30:56.880 --> 0:30:59.800
<v Speaker 3>Forty I saw forty four on DraftKings this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, hold on, I'm checking it out. No draftings

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<v Speaker 2>down to forty three.

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<v Speaker 3>It is done forty three, as is.

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<v Speaker 2>A pretty much every book. Actually, there's a lot of

0:31:08.200 --> 0:31:10.960
<v Speaker 2>forty two's and there's forty two and a half's out there.

0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:13.400
<v Speaker 2>So if you want the under go now, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>get it.

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<v Speaker 3>I can understand why it's dropping.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, everybody listens to you, Pat, So that's right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to continue to drop. I don't hate the

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<v Speaker 2>under in that one too, but I just don't know

0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:25.760
<v Speaker 2>how many unders I can stomach in one week of football.

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<v Speaker 2>So all right, So that's going to be our six plays,

0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:32.160
<v Speaker 2>and you know it's technically five because it really depends

0:31:32.200 --> 0:31:33.720
<v Speaker 2>on which way you want to go here on that

0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:37.800
<v Speaker 2>Bengals forty nine Ers game. But Pat, you are taking

0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:42.080
<v Speaker 2>the Jaguars and the Titans under forty three and a half,

0:31:42.280 --> 0:31:44.920
<v Speaker 2>the Jets getting five and a half from the Saints,

0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:48.040
<v Speaker 2>and the Bengals getting one from the forty nine ers.

0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:49.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm on the other side of that one. I'm getting

0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:52.360
<v Speaker 2>the forty nine Ers laying one point to the Bengals,

0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:54.560
<v Speaker 2>the Panthers and the Falcons under forty two and a half,

0:31:54.640 --> 0:31:58.160
<v Speaker 2>and the Ravens getting two and a half from the Browns.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's quickly run through the remaining spreads pack if that

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<v Speaker 2>works for you, Yes, sir, start with tonight. Everybody's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>know already, So you're either gonna have a ton of

0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:07.760
<v Speaker 2>credibility or everybody's gonna be like, I'm fading whatever that

0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:10.480
<v Speaker 2>dude is doing. It's now the consensus line pad other

0:32:10.520 --> 0:32:12.840
<v Speaker 2>than our book of DraftKings, which is still at three.

0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:15.560
<v Speaker 2>The consensus line is now three and a half here

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<v Speaker 2>with the Vikings laying three and a half points in

0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:19.280
<v Speaker 2>this game.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not sure which I like more getting that hook

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:25.480
<v Speaker 4>on the field goal or getting even money to get

0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:29.840
<v Speaker 4>points with the Steelers against Kirk Cousins in a primetime game.

0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:32.480
<v Speaker 4>I've already read the script for how this game turns out.

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<v Speaker 4>Dan Kirk Cousins doesn't play well and the Vikings lose.

0:32:36.800 --> 0:32:38.960
<v Speaker 1>So what, yes, exactly?

0:32:39.800 --> 0:32:43.720
<v Speaker 4>I mean, like Kirk, He's played so consistently poorly in

0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:47.200
<v Speaker 4>primetime games, and like it is in the point at

0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:49.920
<v Speaker 4>the point where I think that is a thing. You

0:32:50.080 --> 0:32:53.360
<v Speaker 4>just wonder if as many tight games as the Vikings

0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:56.600
<v Speaker 4>have played, like if they didn't hit the tipping point

0:32:56.600 --> 0:32:59.200
<v Speaker 4>with the loss to Detroit, if they aren't just ready

0:32:59.240 --> 0:33:01.920
<v Speaker 4>to pack it in, and you know, in a game

0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:04.960
<v Speaker 4>where some of the coaching was just you know, I know,

0:33:05.480 --> 0:33:08.120
<v Speaker 4>my friends up in Minnesota were totally up in arms

0:33:08.160 --> 0:33:11.120
<v Speaker 4>over just some of the play.

0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:12.040
<v Speaker 3>Calling last week.

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<v Speaker 4>So and we've talked about the Steelers in desperation mode,

0:33:18.360 --> 0:33:21.040
<v Speaker 4>how that is normally a pretty good time to get them. Yes,

0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:26.400
<v Speaker 4>they did sort of stave off elimination last week. You know,

0:33:26.440 --> 0:33:29.200
<v Speaker 4>maybe that was their desperation mode game. Can they have

0:33:29.280 --> 0:33:32.360
<v Speaker 4>two of the desperation mode games in a row. But

0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:34.400
<v Speaker 4>this one is a big one for them, Like they

0:33:34.440 --> 0:33:38.080
<v Speaker 4>need this one too, And I you know, kind of

0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:41.280
<v Speaker 4>like them getting the points here against just you know,

0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:45.760
<v Speaker 4>squirrely Minnesota team with the Cousins factor and Cousins without

0:33:45.800 --> 0:33:48.280
<v Speaker 4>his Adam Feelin's security blanket.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a big thing.

0:33:50.480 --> 0:33:51.000
<v Speaker 3>That's a big thing.

0:33:51.040 --> 0:33:53.240
<v Speaker 2>Now, Dalvin Cook made play apparently as we were talking

0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:55.440
<v Speaker 2>about earlier, which is surprising to me. But I can't

0:33:55.480 --> 0:33:57.040
<v Speaker 2>imagine he's going to be at one hundred percent if

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<v Speaker 2>he does go at this point.

0:33:58.200 --> 0:34:00.640
<v Speaker 3>I think that doesn't really move the needle for you,

0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:00.960
<v Speaker 3>does it?

0:34:01.320 --> 0:34:04.120
<v Speaker 2>No, not at all, And because Alexander Madison's are perfectly

0:34:04.160 --> 0:34:06.440
<v Speaker 2>capable back anyway. And I wouldn't expect Alvin Cook to

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:09.000
<v Speaker 2>be at full strength regardless of if he plays. I

0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:11.680
<v Speaker 2>have not I full disc like I've not bet a

0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:13.440
<v Speaker 2>side on this. I do have a prop bet on

0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:16.440
<v Speaker 2>kJ Osbourne over forty one and a half receiving yards.

0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:18.600
<v Speaker 1>But I think the loss of Deeling is big.

0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Obviously ten of his twenty five touchdowns there, I mean,

0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:24.280
<v Speaker 2>Cousins played well this year, twenty five touchdowns, three picks.

0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:27.120
<v Speaker 2>Like I actually didn't even fully realize that until I

0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:29.440
<v Speaker 2>was looking up that sid. I was like, Wow, that's fascinating.

0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:33.360
<v Speaker 2>But we've seen the script and this is the normal

0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:35.640
<v Speaker 2>spot where you would back the Steelers, which is the

0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:38.239
<v Speaker 2>road underdog in a game they need to win with

0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:41.120
<v Speaker 2>their backs against the wall. Mike Tomlin gets them up

0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:41.960
<v Speaker 2>for those games. Man.

0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:44.080
<v Speaker 1>But it's probably something I'll stay away from.

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:46.960
<v Speaker 2>But are you on officially the Steelers getting It's not

0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:48.480
<v Speaker 2>gonna be one of your bets, Pat, don't worry, You're

0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:49.600
<v Speaker 2>not laying it out.

0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:51.840
<v Speaker 1>But Steelers getting three and a half from the Vikings?

0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:52.520
<v Speaker 1>Are you betting that?

0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:55.839
<v Speaker 4>I have put my own hard earned money on it already, Dan,

0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:58.320
<v Speaker 4>And isn't it fun to know that? Right now listeners

0:34:58.360 --> 0:35:00.719
<v Speaker 4>are laughing at us because Kirk Cousin through for three

0:35:00.840 --> 0:35:03.640
<v Speaker 4>hundred yards and three touchdowns. Dalvin Cook ran for one

0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:07.800
<v Speaker 4>hundred and fifty and another touchdown, and you know everyone's

0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:09.200
<v Speaker 4>just calling us idiots right now.

0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's fine. They do.

0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:12.680
<v Speaker 2>They do that for me anyway, so we're all good.

0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:15.480
<v Speaker 2>How about the Raiders visiting the Chiefs. This is one

0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:17.040
<v Speaker 2>that I kind of like when I first looked at it.

0:35:17.160 --> 0:35:20.440
<v Speaker 2>Pat on Monday, the Chiefs are laying nine and a

0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:21.760
<v Speaker 2>half at home. What do you think.

0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:26.960
<v Speaker 4>Generally, I've been disappointed when taking the Chiefs laying a

0:35:26.960 --> 0:35:30.680
<v Speaker 4>lot of points. I'm starting to feel a little better

0:35:30.680 --> 0:35:33.799
<v Speaker 4>about it. Not necessarily the offense, but their defense is

0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:38.400
<v Speaker 4>very quietly held five straight opponents to seventeen or fewer points.

0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:41.800
<v Speaker 4>Like the Chiefs defenses. You know, after being a laughing

0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:44.840
<v Speaker 4>stock the first five or six weeks of the season,

0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:49.400
<v Speaker 4>totally turn things around. The offense hasn't turned things around.

0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:53.000
<v Speaker 4>I mean, they look terrible again against Denver last week.

0:35:52.800 --> 0:35:57.160
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I don't know.

0:35:57.280 --> 0:36:00.959
<v Speaker 4>Las Vegas has scored sixteen points or fewer in four

0:36:01.000 --> 0:36:04.120
<v Speaker 4>of their last five, the one exception being that thirty

0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:09.319
<v Speaker 4>six point outburst against Dallas on Thanksgiving, and I just

0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:10.719
<v Speaker 4>don't think they're going to be able to put up

0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:15.000
<v Speaker 4>enough points against the Chiefs. And you figure the Chiefs

0:36:15.080 --> 0:36:18.440
<v Speaker 4>have got a breakout at home one of these times.

0:36:18.640 --> 0:36:23.480
<v Speaker 4>It just seems like they're kind of due for the explosion.

0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:26.200
<v Speaker 4>They beat the Raiders forty one to fourteen the last

0:36:26.200 --> 0:36:31.040
<v Speaker 4>time they played in Vegas, so I kind of do

0:36:31.440 --> 0:36:34.200
<v Speaker 4>like the Chiefs here laying the big points.

0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:34.799
<v Speaker 1>For me.

0:36:35.120 --> 0:36:37.319
<v Speaker 2>I look more towards the total at this one, and

0:36:37.360 --> 0:36:39.520
<v Speaker 2>I kind of feel like I liked it when it opened.

0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:41.400
<v Speaker 2>I think it was forty nine or forty nine and

0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:44.520
<v Speaker 2>a half. It sounds forty eight because I do think

0:36:44.560 --> 0:36:47.640
<v Speaker 2>that the Chiefs have not gone crazy on offensive late.

0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:50.279
<v Speaker 2>Their defense is, as you said, playing exceptionally well. The

0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:52.560
<v Speaker 2>Raiders are not putting up a ton of points. The

0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:56.520
<v Speaker 2>strikes a game the Chiefs probably win pretty easily, is

0:36:56.560 --> 0:36:58.440
<v Speaker 2>my guest, although I'm not sure I'm willing to lay

0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:00.759
<v Speaker 2>the nine and a half, but it strikes me as

0:37:00.760 --> 0:37:03.760
<v Speaker 2>a game that's again something that is not a shootout

0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:05.640
<v Speaker 2>or anything like that, and I think it leans towards

0:37:05.640 --> 0:37:07.000
<v Speaker 2>the under at forty eight. I don't love it as

0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:08.520
<v Speaker 2>much as I did it forty nine and a half,

0:37:08.760 --> 0:37:12.040
<v Speaker 2>but I did take it there, so you know, it's

0:37:12.080 --> 0:37:13.320
<v Speaker 2>probably mostly a stay away.

0:37:13.120 --> 0:37:13.680
<v Speaker 1>From me at this point.

0:37:13.680 --> 0:37:16.680
<v Speaker 2>But if anything, I leaned the under Titans. We talked

0:37:16.719 --> 0:37:18.520
<v Speaker 2>about the total, Papa, what about the spread eight and

0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:20.440
<v Speaker 2>a half now is higher when it opened here, but

0:37:20.480 --> 0:37:22.080
<v Speaker 2>it's eight and a half now as we sit here.

0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:24.839
<v Speaker 3>Will not touch this one.

0:37:25.320 --> 0:37:27.680
<v Speaker 4>I just don't feel good enough about the Titans covering

0:37:27.680 --> 0:37:31.960
<v Speaker 4>a big spread. Yeah, they're just they just haven't been

0:37:32.239 --> 0:37:36.000
<v Speaker 4>quite good enough lately. I mean, if you forced me

0:37:36.120 --> 0:37:39.960
<v Speaker 4>to play this one, I'd probably give the Jaguars the

0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:41.400
<v Speaker 4>points and take the Titans.

0:37:41.600 --> 0:37:43.880
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I'm just laying.

0:37:43.600 --> 0:37:46.520
<v Speaker 2>Off completely agree. If I had to go one way,

0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:48.440
<v Speaker 2>I'd probably go to the Jaguars. But I don't want

0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:50.839
<v Speaker 2>to touch it whatsoever, Nor do I want to really

0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:52.920
<v Speaker 2>go near the Seahawks laying eight and a half to

0:37:53.080 --> 0:37:55.520
<v Speaker 2>the Texans. I will say this bad and maybe this

0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:58.120
<v Speaker 2>was done when a were seven and a half at open.

0:37:58.320 --> 0:38:00.640
<v Speaker 2>I teased them down. I included them the teaser, and

0:38:00.680 --> 0:38:02.600
<v Speaker 2>I tease them down to one and a half because

0:38:02.640 --> 0:38:04.440
<v Speaker 2>I do think they're going to win this game any

0:38:04.480 --> 0:38:06.839
<v Speaker 2>game where Again, we talked about all these teams are

0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:07.120
<v Speaker 2>still in.

0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:07.839
<v Speaker 1>The playoff hunt.

0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:10.080
<v Speaker 2>You know, at four and eight they go to five

0:38:10.080 --> 0:38:13.399
<v Speaker 2>and eight, who knows, you know, the Texans barely put

0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:14.240
<v Speaker 2>up a fight anymore.

0:38:14.360 --> 0:38:16.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't feel confident that they'll cover the eight and

0:38:16.160 --> 0:38:17.600
<v Speaker 1>a half points spread, but I think they'll win.

0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:19.239
<v Speaker 2>So I did tease them down when it was seven

0:38:19.280 --> 0:38:21.680
<v Speaker 2>and a half to one and a half. But that's

0:38:21.680 --> 0:38:23.240
<v Speaker 2>about the only lean I have on this game.

0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:27.839
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, the Seattle defense is not the joke

0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:30.360
<v Speaker 4>that I thought it might be this season. They've actually

0:38:30.400 --> 0:38:33.080
<v Speaker 4>been decent at times, and you know, I don't think

0:38:33.120 --> 0:38:36.080
<v Speaker 4>the loss of Jamal Adams really hurts that much. So

0:38:37.239 --> 0:38:39.000
<v Speaker 4>I tend to feel the same way like their past

0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:41.880
<v Speaker 4>defense has been capable enough that I'm not too worried

0:38:41.920 --> 0:38:46.160
<v Speaker 4>about Davis Mills right having any sort of uprising against them.

0:38:46.840 --> 0:38:48.239
<v Speaker 4>You know, I do think they were going to win,

0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:49.880
<v Speaker 4>but I just hate.

0:38:49.640 --> 0:38:51.680
<v Speaker 3>That spread too much. I hate it.

0:38:51.760 --> 0:38:54.120
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you can't take the Seattle on lay more than

0:38:54.120 --> 0:38:54.720
<v Speaker 4>a touchdown.

0:38:54.719 --> 0:38:56.839
<v Speaker 1>It's just no. Never can.

0:38:57.120 --> 0:38:59.440
<v Speaker 2>How about the pat We talked about the Tuttle Panthers

0:38:59.480 --> 0:39:01.960
<v Speaker 2>at home. They're laying the two and a half here

0:39:02.160 --> 0:39:06.239
<v Speaker 2>to the Falcons. Now it's juice towards the Panthers. It's

0:39:06.600 --> 0:39:09.359
<v Speaker 2>minus one eighteen. It's even at two and a half

0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:11.840
<v Speaker 2>here for the Falcons if you take them getting the points.

0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:12.839
<v Speaker 1>So what do you think?

0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:16.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, kind of another game. I hate and don't like

0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:18.600
<v Speaker 4>taking a side on this. I just don't know what

0:39:18.680 --> 0:39:19.960
<v Speaker 4>to expect out of Cam Newton.

0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:22.440
<v Speaker 3>This game is the main problem.

0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:25.400
<v Speaker 4>If I was confident enough that he was going to

0:39:26.200 --> 0:39:31.239
<v Speaker 4>be able to generate offense purely with his legs, I mean,

0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:33.920
<v Speaker 4>he was just so bad passing the last time we

0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:37.360
<v Speaker 4>saw him, Like it just scares me off the Panthers.

0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:40.640
<v Speaker 4>Another game where it forced you, I would probably take Carolina,

0:39:40.760 --> 0:39:43.839
<v Speaker 4>But I just don't really feel good about either side here.

0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, did oh.

0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:47.120
<v Speaker 2>I would definitely take Carolina if I'm forced to go

0:39:47.160 --> 0:39:49.080
<v Speaker 2>one way or another, because again, I do see them

0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:50.400
<v Speaker 2>just saying like, all right, we're just gonna run the

0:39:50.400 --> 0:39:52.279
<v Speaker 2>ball NonStop. We're not going to allow Camp to hurt

0:39:52.320 --> 0:39:54.880
<v Speaker 2>us and their defense being able to hold down the Falcons.

0:39:54.960 --> 0:39:57.480
<v Speaker 2>So I lean the Panthers at under Afield goal. But

0:39:57.760 --> 0:40:00.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm not putting my money on Cam Newton in that sense,

0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:02.520
<v Speaker 2>other than I'm putting my money on Cam Newton to

0:40:02.520 --> 0:40:04.000
<v Speaker 2>not be able to put up a ton of points.

0:40:04.040 --> 0:40:04.920
<v Speaker 1>That's where I'm going with that.

0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:08.479
<v Speaker 2>The Washington football team is getting now four and a half.

0:40:08.480 --> 0:40:09.200
<v Speaker 1>It was four and open.

0:40:09.239 --> 0:40:10.880
<v Speaker 2>It's still four to a couple of books, including at

0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:13.320
<v Speaker 2>bet MGM. DraftKings for US pat is at four and

0:40:13.360 --> 0:40:15.800
<v Speaker 2>a half. Here Washington hosting Dallas.

0:40:17.520 --> 0:40:23.720
<v Speaker 4>So everything about this game wants like I almost wanted

0:40:23.760 --> 0:40:28.560
<v Speaker 4>to put Washington as the best bat almost. They've rattled

0:40:28.600 --> 0:40:31.560
<v Speaker 4>off four straight wins. One of them was against the Buccaneers,

0:40:31.600 --> 0:40:36.480
<v Speaker 4>like the number one DVOA team at Carolina at Las Vegas.

0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:40.120
<v Speaker 4>So a couple of decent road wins beat Seattle. This

0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:44.160
<v Speaker 4>team's playing really well. But here's the thing that kind

0:40:44.160 --> 0:40:48.040
<v Speaker 4>of worries me d In Like, I know Montes Sweat

0:40:48.160 --> 0:40:52.200
<v Speaker 4>by the metrics, like hasn't been having the best of seasons.

0:40:53.239 --> 0:40:57.120
<v Speaker 4>They've already lost Chase Young, one of their primary edge rush. Well,

0:40:57.280 --> 0:40:59.760
<v Speaker 4>you know they've got the two book end edge rushes,

0:41:00.200 --> 0:41:03.359
<v Speaker 4>Young and Montest Sweat together, that's a pretty good duo.

0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:06.560
<v Speaker 4>They lost one, now they've gotten either. I mean this

0:41:07.320 --> 0:41:10.520
<v Speaker 4>it reminds me of Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:13.239
<v Speaker 4>You know when King Arthur meets the Black Knight and

0:41:13.440 --> 0:41:15.600
<v Speaker 4>turns to cross across the bridge and they have the

0:41:15.640 --> 0:41:19.680
<v Speaker 4>sword fight, Like he cuts off one of the Black Knights.

0:41:19.760 --> 0:41:21.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the Black Knight.

0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:24.040
<v Speaker 4>Just keeps fighting with the sword hand, you know, but

0:41:24.120 --> 0:41:26.680
<v Speaker 4>now they've cut off the other arm Montes Sweat is

0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:27.920
<v Speaker 4>the second arm YEP.

0:41:29.480 --> 0:41:31.640
<v Speaker 3>And if you can't get a pass rush, like I

0:41:31.680 --> 0:41:32.160
<v Speaker 3>know that.

0:41:32.040 --> 0:41:36.279
<v Speaker 4>The Washington has been very good at generating pressure from

0:41:36.320 --> 0:41:39.040
<v Speaker 4>the inside, but without any pressure from the outside, and

0:41:39.440 --> 0:41:43.959
<v Speaker 4>this Dallas team, Dak Prescott and these receivers being able

0:41:44.000 --> 0:41:48.960
<v Speaker 4>to pick away at a very vulnerable football team secondary, Like,

0:41:49.040 --> 0:41:54.200
<v Speaker 4>I just don't feel good enough about Washington's ability to

0:41:54.520 --> 0:41:58.480
<v Speaker 4>play decent enough defense to cover this spread. So I'm

0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:01.520
<v Speaker 4>laying off it. I mean, I really want to take

0:42:01.520 --> 0:42:03.560
<v Speaker 4>the football team here, Dan, but I just can't.

0:42:04.480 --> 0:42:07.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm in total agreement with basically everything that you said,

0:42:08.160 --> 0:42:10.920
<v Speaker 2>which is, I look at this, I think Joe like

0:42:10.960 --> 0:42:11.799
<v Speaker 2>the Cowboys.

0:42:11.480 --> 0:42:12.279
<v Speaker 1>When we looked at it early.

0:42:13.760 --> 0:42:17.800
<v Speaker 2>Everything says to me that Washington keeps this game close.

0:42:17.800 --> 0:42:22.160
<v Speaker 2>They're playing really well, but at some point, at some point,

0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:25.040
<v Speaker 2>like they're just not going to be able to lose

0:42:25.160 --> 0:42:29.359
<v Speaker 2>Chase Young and Sweat and continue to basically put up

0:42:29.400 --> 0:42:31.719
<v Speaker 2>these defensive performances. I don't know how their defense has

0:42:31.760 --> 0:42:33.680
<v Speaker 2>been playing so well, so it's a stay. I'm still

0:42:33.680 --> 0:42:36.080
<v Speaker 2>not taking Dallas like you right, it's just to stay

0:42:36.120 --> 0:42:37.319
<v Speaker 2>away for me at this point.

0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:39.719
<v Speaker 3>Is this one of the rare overs we might look

0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:40.120
<v Speaker 3>at Dan?

0:42:40.520 --> 0:42:42.320
<v Speaker 1>What do you have? The total?

0:42:42.360 --> 0:42:42.839
<v Speaker 3>Forty eight?

0:42:44.239 --> 0:42:46.719
<v Speaker 4>So, I mean, I love that Washington has found this

0:42:46.840 --> 0:42:50.279
<v Speaker 4>new offensive identity when yeah, Tonio Gibson coming back to

0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:55.280
<v Speaker 4>life and you know that making Taylor Heineke potentially more effective.

0:42:55.280 --> 0:42:58.280
<v Speaker 4>And now they've Curtis Samuel back. He's been playing limited snaps,

0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:01.960
<v Speaker 4>but it's another day jewish weapon who can rip off

0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:04.640
<v Speaker 4>a chunk play possibly if they get the ball.

0:43:04.480 --> 0:43:07.279
<v Speaker 3>In his hands. So I kind of like the over

0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:08.399
<v Speaker 3>here at forty eight.

0:43:08.760 --> 0:43:09.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm staying away from that.

0:43:10.000 --> 0:43:13.840
<v Speaker 2>I your points make sense, but I Washington seems like

0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:17.239
<v Speaker 2>a team that is committed to taking two minutes to

0:43:17.320 --> 0:43:20.240
<v Speaker 2>get every first down and getting you know, six first

0:43:20.239 --> 0:43:23.360
<v Speaker 2>downs every drive in these like we're gonna gain twelve

0:43:23.440 --> 0:43:26.399
<v Speaker 2>yards every single like like that's just what we're gonna

0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:28.759
<v Speaker 2>do and just we're gonna keep it going. So I

0:43:29.160 --> 0:43:32.200
<v Speaker 2>don't lean under, but I'm not willing to go for

0:43:32.360 --> 0:43:34.439
<v Speaker 2>my first over of the week that with that one.

0:43:34.520 --> 0:43:36.279
<v Speaker 2>But you you take it, you'd be brave for me.

0:43:36.480 --> 0:43:39.360
<v Speaker 2>Broncos are at home link ten to the Lions. I

0:43:39.400 --> 0:43:41.160
<v Speaker 2>feel like this might have been eight and a half

0:43:41.320 --> 0:43:44.080
<v Speaker 2>earlier in the week of Memory Serves, and I kind

0:43:44.080 --> 0:43:46.319
<v Speaker 2>of like the Broncos there. I don't want to fait

0:43:46.400 --> 0:43:49.720
<v Speaker 2>the Lions again, but it's certainly if there's a letdown

0:43:49.760 --> 0:43:52.200
<v Speaker 2>spot for a one ten and one team, this would

0:43:52.239 --> 0:43:54.640
<v Speaker 2>be it and the Broncos fighting for their lives at home.

0:43:55.000 --> 0:43:57.160
<v Speaker 2>But at ten, it just it seems a little too

0:43:57.239 --> 0:43:58.279
<v Speaker 2>rich for me to go either way.

0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:05.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Teddy Bridgewater has just looked so shaky lately, even

0:44:05.719 --> 0:44:08.440
<v Speaker 4>though there's some maybe get right spots for him in

0:44:08.480 --> 0:44:11.799
<v Speaker 4>this matchup. Like I know, Detroit's had all sorts of

0:44:11.800 --> 0:44:14.480
<v Speaker 4>trouble with slot receivers, and I think Jerry Judy could

0:44:14.520 --> 0:44:16.160
<v Speaker 4>feast in this matchup.

0:44:16.960 --> 0:44:19.879
<v Speaker 3>If Javonte Williams gets more work.

0:44:19.920 --> 0:44:21.720
<v Speaker 4>I mean, we saw what he did to Kansas City,

0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:25.319
<v Speaker 4>and you know against Detroit that's had a lot of

0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:28.719
<v Speaker 4>problems with running backs. And yes, maybe Detroit is fat

0:44:28.760 --> 0:44:30.800
<v Speaker 4>and happy Dan after that first loss.

0:44:30.600 --> 0:44:31.600
<v Speaker 3>There was one ten in one.

0:44:31.640 --> 0:44:33.279
<v Speaker 2>Now you know, who.

0:44:33.239 --> 0:44:36.000
<v Speaker 4>Could blame them for being fat and happy? But ten

0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:39.040
<v Speaker 4>points for this Denver team is just too much. There's

0:44:39.120 --> 0:44:43.200
<v Speaker 4>just not been enough Denver offense for us to feel

0:44:43.200 --> 0:44:43.880
<v Speaker 4>good about.

0:44:43.680 --> 0:44:46.800
<v Speaker 2>That, I agree with you, Chargers are at home laying

0:44:46.880 --> 0:44:50.360
<v Speaker 2>ten against the Giants sounds like Mike Lennon. There's optimism

0:44:50.400 --> 0:44:52.799
<v Speaker 2>about Mike Glennon being able to clear congussion protocol and

0:44:52.800 --> 0:44:54.560
<v Speaker 2>not try that really matters to you, Pat, But ten

0:44:54.600 --> 0:44:55.200
<v Speaker 2>points here with.

0:44:55.160 --> 0:44:57.640
<v Speaker 4>The charters, Yeah, I mean Mike Glennon or Jake from

0:44:57.760 --> 0:44:59.399
<v Speaker 4>is really a drop off there.

0:44:59.480 --> 0:44:59.560
<v Speaker 3>Ye.

0:45:00.360 --> 0:45:03.480
<v Speaker 4>You know, this was one I actually considered as a

0:45:03.520 --> 0:45:07.520
<v Speaker 4>best bet for the Chargers, and I might have done

0:45:07.560 --> 0:45:11.320
<v Speaker 4>it if not for the COVID status of their wide receivers.

0:45:11.320 --> 0:45:14.920
<v Speaker 4>And maybe it won't matter if Jalen Geiton and Josh

0:45:14.960 --> 0:45:19.279
<v Speaker 4>Palmer are decent backup options, I guess, And you know

0:45:19.320 --> 0:45:21.680
<v Speaker 4>they've got a trio of tight ends, and.

0:45:21.760 --> 0:45:23.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's possible Williams plays.

0:45:23.520 --> 0:45:27.080
<v Speaker 3>Though it's Yeah. Has Alan been rolled out?

0:45:27.160 --> 0:45:29.160
<v Speaker 1>He actually hasn't. He actually hasn't.

0:45:29.400 --> 0:45:32.920
<v Speaker 2>But I think he tested positive, and I think it's

0:45:32.960 --> 0:45:36.759
<v Speaker 2>almost not impossible entirely given the protocols. But I don't

0:45:36.800 --> 0:45:39.200
<v Speaker 2>think anybody who has tested positive on the day that

0:45:39.280 --> 0:45:41.479
<v Speaker 2>he tested positive has been able to make it back

0:45:41.520 --> 0:45:42.759
<v Speaker 2>for that week's game yet.

0:45:42.760 --> 0:45:44.000
<v Speaker 1>So he hasn't been rolled out.

0:45:44.320 --> 0:45:46.480
<v Speaker 2>But Williams is just a close contact and so if

0:45:46.520 --> 0:45:49.600
<v Speaker 2>he does test positive before game, he can be cleared

0:45:49.640 --> 0:45:50.560
<v Speaker 2>in play for sure.

0:45:50.920 --> 0:45:51.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:45:51.320 --> 0:45:55.960
<v Speaker 4>So I think this Giants offense is just an absolute

0:45:56.040 --> 0:46:00.960
<v Speaker 4>toxic way stumph with the quarterback situation, with the just

0:46:01.280 --> 0:46:05.880
<v Speaker 4>awful offensive line. You know, I don't think Saquon Barkley

0:46:05.920 --> 0:46:09.560
<v Speaker 4>can create an offense out of thin air by himself.

0:46:10.760 --> 0:46:15.440
<v Speaker 4>The myriad injury problems at wide receiver, you know, and

0:46:16.040 --> 0:46:18.319
<v Speaker 4>the Chargers have just been like, this has been a

0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:23.000
<v Speaker 4>pretty tough team. There's been some slips, but overall, like

0:46:23.040 --> 0:46:27.240
<v Speaker 4>this is a really good team, and I think Herbert

0:46:27.280 --> 0:46:30.040
<v Speaker 4>can create offense even if he doesn't have his two receivers.

0:46:32.000 --> 0:46:34.840
<v Speaker 4>The one thing that gives me pause here, Dan, is

0:46:34.880 --> 0:46:38.960
<v Speaker 4>that the Giants defense doesn't suck right, like they might

0:46:39.040 --> 0:46:41.960
<v Speaker 4>be able to turn this into like a seventeen to

0:46:42.000 --> 0:46:46.200
<v Speaker 4>ten games. That's the one concern I have. But I'm

0:46:46.200 --> 0:46:49.560
<v Speaker 4>still probably going to take the Chargers for a you know,

0:46:49.680 --> 0:46:52.040
<v Speaker 4>one unit bets at minus ten.

0:46:52.560 --> 0:46:55.399
<v Speaker 2>How about the Bucks taking on the bills here. It

0:46:55.520 --> 0:46:57.319
<v Speaker 2>wasn't three for a lot of the week, it's now

0:46:57.360 --> 0:46:58.839
<v Speaker 2>three and a half in the consensus.

0:47:00.239 --> 0:47:02.880
<v Speaker 4>I'm scared of this one, Dan, I like, I don't

0:47:03.160 --> 0:47:09.680
<v Speaker 4>I could talk myself into over under box Bills, Like

0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:11.879
<v Speaker 4>give me an angle I can sink my teeth into.

0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:13.440
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what to make of this one. I'll

0:47:13.440 --> 0:47:14.279
<v Speaker 3>be totally.

0:47:13.960 --> 0:47:17.799
<v Speaker 2>Honest, totally stay away from me, absolutely, Like, if I'm

0:47:17.840 --> 0:47:20.680
<v Speaker 2>forced to choose, I think with the Hook, I might

0:47:20.719 --> 0:47:25.480
<v Speaker 2>take the Bills, just because you know, they're desperate, you know,

0:47:25.640 --> 0:47:29.759
<v Speaker 2>and they were poorly coached in that game against the Patriots,

0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:32.880
<v Speaker 2>Like they kept trying to run the ball for whatever reason.

0:47:32.960 --> 0:47:35.839
<v Speaker 2>They should have stopped because Alan could kind of throw

0:47:35.880 --> 0:47:37.759
<v Speaker 2>it through the wind and they looked much better when

0:47:37.800 --> 0:47:41.759
<v Speaker 2>they threw. So they're probably a little desperate and a

0:47:41.800 --> 0:47:44.080
<v Speaker 2>little mad. So if I had to go somewhere, I

0:47:44.160 --> 0:47:45.200
<v Speaker 2>take the Hook with the Bills.

0:47:45.200 --> 0:47:46.520
<v Speaker 1>But I am running away from it.

0:47:47.120 --> 0:47:50.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a fun, sexy game.

0:47:50.440 --> 0:47:51.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:47:51.320 --> 0:47:54.600
<v Speaker 4>The only thing I could maybe talk myself into, I

0:47:54.640 --> 0:47:57.279
<v Speaker 4>think is the under here m hm fifty three and a.

0:47:57.280 --> 0:48:00.120
<v Speaker 3>Half just because you mentioned it. The Bill.

0:48:00.800 --> 0:48:03.000
<v Speaker 4>I mean, they're a finesse team. They can't run the ball.

0:48:03.560 --> 0:48:04.799
<v Speaker 4>They're not going to be able to run the ball

0:48:04.800 --> 0:48:09.120
<v Speaker 4>against Tampa effectively, so they're gonna be one dimensional and

0:48:09.200 --> 0:48:13.960
<v Speaker 4>Brady has kind of quietly been not that great lately. Sure,

0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:18.759
<v Speaker 4>seven interceptions in his last five games, and over his

0:48:18.880 --> 0:48:23.000
<v Speaker 4>last four games collectively, he's averaging under seven point yards

0:48:23.040 --> 0:48:26.360
<v Speaker 4>per pass attempt. I mean, we've talked about this on

0:48:26.360 --> 0:48:29.480
<v Speaker 4>our Sunday night show. Very often he is settling for

0:48:29.520 --> 0:48:33.440
<v Speaker 4>the checkdowns and not really hunting downfield or you know,

0:48:33.560 --> 0:48:36.840
<v Speaker 4>the quick hitters to Godwin, like the quick bubble screens,

0:48:36.960 --> 0:48:40.320
<v Speaker 4>or the quick slants over the middle, or many many

0:48:40.400 --> 0:48:44.560
<v Speaker 4>many dumpoffs to Leonard Fournette. So it's not like this

0:48:44.680 --> 0:48:47.640
<v Speaker 4>is a quick strike, beat you thirty yards at a

0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:50.400
<v Speaker 4>time offense. This is kind of a you know, like

0:48:50.520 --> 0:48:52.160
<v Speaker 4>ball control passing.

0:48:51.800 --> 0:48:52.760
<v Speaker 3>Game in a lot of ways.

0:48:53.000 --> 0:48:56.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so fifty three and a half seems a little

0:48:56.760 --> 0:48:57.480
<v Speaker 4>tall to me.

0:48:58.120 --> 0:48:59.600
<v Speaker 2>You don't have to talk me into an under too

0:48:59.600 --> 0:49:01.719
<v Speaker 2>hard there, but I do think Actually I log this

0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:03.560
<v Speaker 2>in our app, which again you can do. You have

0:49:03.560 --> 0:49:06.080
<v Speaker 2>the betting pros app even if you're not a you know,

0:49:06.160 --> 0:49:08.080
<v Speaker 2>somebody who does this for a living or anything like that.

0:49:08.120 --> 0:49:10.160
<v Speaker 2>You can log your pick. See where you stack up

0:49:10.320 --> 0:49:12.680
<v Speaker 2>on a leader board with other users. How about your

0:49:12.719 --> 0:49:15.319
<v Speaker 2>packers pat taking on the bears. This is stuck at

0:49:15.360 --> 0:49:18.520
<v Speaker 2>twelve and a half pretty much generally speaking, since it

0:49:18.560 --> 0:49:20.480
<v Speaker 2>opened kind of a weird line.

0:49:20.560 --> 0:49:21.400
<v Speaker 1>What do you think.

0:49:21.600 --> 0:49:23.920
<v Speaker 3>It's it's tilted towards the Bears.

0:49:23.960 --> 0:49:26.200
<v Speaker 2>I think at twelve and a half though, right, I've

0:49:26.200 --> 0:49:28.560
<v Speaker 2>got to have minus one ten pretty evenly for us

0:49:28.640 --> 0:49:32.000
<v Speaker 2>all that you're looking at DraftKings right at draftings minus

0:49:32.000 --> 0:49:35.360
<v Speaker 2>one twenty at twelve and a half, where the Packers

0:49:35.440 --> 0:49:37.720
<v Speaker 2>are even at minus twelve and a half.

0:49:38.000 --> 0:49:40.760
<v Speaker 1>Everywhere else I see Pat, it's one ten on both sides.

0:49:40.760 --> 0:49:41.480
<v Speaker 1>It's just drafting.

0:49:42.160 --> 0:49:44.799
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the Packers have not had that game. They seem

0:49:44.880 --> 0:49:47.000
<v Speaker 4>to have one game a year, and it often happens

0:49:47.040 --> 0:49:50.719
<v Speaker 4>against a divisional rival and a lesser divisional rival like

0:49:50.760 --> 0:49:53.920
<v Speaker 4>the Normally it's the Lions. Normally they sleep walk through

0:49:53.960 --> 0:49:56.600
<v Speaker 4>their home game against the Lions. They didn't do that

0:49:56.680 --> 0:49:59.239
<v Speaker 4>this year. Maybe it's the Bears where they have that

0:49:59.280 --> 0:50:01.160
<v Speaker 4>one game of a year they just sleepwalk through a

0:50:01.200 --> 0:50:04.560
<v Speaker 4>game at home. But man, it's hard to back the

0:50:04.600 --> 0:50:07.760
<v Speaker 4>Bears here with any confidence with Justin Fields coming.

0:50:07.520 --> 0:50:08.360
<v Speaker 3>Off the injury.

0:50:08.520 --> 0:50:12.480
<v Speaker 4>Maybe the Packers get JayR Alexander back, adding to a

0:50:12.560 --> 0:50:16.160
<v Speaker 4>pass defense that has already within the last six weeks

0:50:16.160 --> 0:50:20.560
<v Speaker 4>shut down Patrick Mahomes, Kyler, Murray, Russell Wilson.

0:50:21.239 --> 0:50:24.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean twelve and a half points is a lot.

0:50:24.280 --> 0:50:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not.

0:50:25.120 --> 0:50:27.960
<v Speaker 4>Sure how I feel about that. And I'm just I'm

0:50:28.000 --> 0:50:28.960
<v Speaker 4>gonna lay off here.

0:50:28.880 --> 0:50:30.200
<v Speaker 1>Dan, I'm staying far away.

0:50:30.280 --> 0:50:32.799
<v Speaker 2>Also, we'll be podcasting during it, Pat, so you won't

0:50:32.800 --> 0:50:35.799
<v Speaker 2>even be able to get to enjoy it for your

0:50:35.800 --> 0:50:38.080
<v Speaker 2>own team there. Yeah, it's just a weird number, and

0:50:38.120 --> 0:50:40.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't really know how I feel. I you know,

0:50:40.440 --> 0:50:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Justin Fields will be starting, okay, I guess Alan Robinson back, Okay,

0:50:44.239 --> 0:50:46.120
<v Speaker 2>But I could see the Packers winning this game by

0:50:46.239 --> 0:50:48.200
<v Speaker 2>twenty four points, or I could see them just sort

0:50:48.239 --> 0:50:51.799
<v Speaker 2>of like kind of have a general malaise. Is they're like,

0:50:52.080 --> 0:50:54.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, probably don't need to do too much to

0:50:54.280 --> 0:50:56.399
<v Speaker 2>win this game and not pushing it or anything like that.

0:50:56.719 --> 0:50:59.760
<v Speaker 2>Last one, Pat Rams busitying the Cardinals Monday Night Football.

0:50:59.800 --> 0:51:02.040
<v Speaker 2>It's two right now. The Cardinals laying two was two

0:51:02.040 --> 0:51:03.600
<v Speaker 2>and a half earlier. There's still some two and a

0:51:03.600 --> 0:51:05.600
<v Speaker 2>halfs out there. Any feelings on this one.

0:51:06.560 --> 0:51:10.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm kind of leaning towards the Cardinals here laying

0:51:10.200 --> 0:51:13.799
<v Speaker 4>the points. I mean, last time they played in Week four,

0:51:13.920 --> 0:51:17.640
<v Speaker 4>the Rams were on top of the world and they

0:51:17.760 --> 0:51:20.799
<v Speaker 4>kind of got drilled thirty seven to twenty. And I

0:51:20.800 --> 0:51:24.040
<v Speaker 4>think we've only had more questions about the Rams developed

0:51:24.160 --> 0:51:27.120
<v Speaker 4>since then, and a lot of them are on the

0:51:27.120 --> 0:51:29.760
<v Speaker 4>defensive side of the ball. I mean, they did beat

0:51:29.880 --> 0:51:33.000
<v Speaker 4>Jacksonville thirty three to seven last week, but before that,

0:51:33.840 --> 0:51:37.160
<v Speaker 4>they give it thirty six to Green Bay, thirty one

0:51:37.239 --> 0:51:40.680
<v Speaker 4>to the forty nine Ers, twenty eight to the Titans,

0:51:40.760 --> 0:51:45.000
<v Speaker 4>twenty two to the Texans, and nineteen to the Lions.

0:51:45.040 --> 0:51:47.759
<v Speaker 4>So they have not been playing good defense, Like this

0:51:47.800 --> 0:51:54.320
<v Speaker 4>is not the shutdown Rams defense A lot of people think,

0:51:54.600 --> 0:51:56.480
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, a lot of people seem to think,

0:51:56.560 --> 0:52:00.480
<v Speaker 4>based on the recent results recent seasons that this is

0:52:00.520 --> 0:52:02.880
<v Speaker 4>still like a really good defense. But all the metrics

0:52:02.920 --> 0:52:06.800
<v Speaker 4>say the Rams have been utterly average defensively this year.

0:52:07.080 --> 0:52:09.680
<v Speaker 4>So I think the Cardinals are going to be able

0:52:09.680 --> 0:52:11.160
<v Speaker 4>to score on this one. I don't know if the

0:52:11.239 --> 0:52:12.759
<v Speaker 4>Rams are going to be able to score that much

0:52:12.760 --> 0:52:15.279
<v Speaker 4>on the Cardinals with some of their offensive struggles.

0:52:16.920 --> 0:52:18.120
<v Speaker 3>I like the Cardinals here.

0:52:18.320 --> 0:52:18.799
<v Speaker 1>I do too.

0:52:19.320 --> 0:52:21.080
<v Speaker 2>If I have to go one way, I would take

0:52:21.080 --> 0:52:24.160
<v Speaker 2>the Cardinals. I you know, haven't been all in on

0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:27.200
<v Speaker 2>the Cardinals this whole year. I've kind of been waiting

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<v Speaker 2>for the shoot a drop, but you know, with Murray

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<v Speaker 2>healthy right now, they are just a better team than

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<v Speaker 2>the Rams, who are struggling, as you mentioned, defensively and offensively.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean Matthew Stafford, you know, has he has his games,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know without Robert Woods. Obviously, Odell Beckham Junior,

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<v Speaker 2>as much as he stepped in, has been banged up.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, So I agree with you here.

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<v Speaker 4>I do also, I don't have current injury information, but

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<v Speaker 4>I know that they're very good. Starting center Brian Allen

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<v Speaker 4>got hurt last week early on, and their left guard

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<v Speaker 4>David Edwards University of Wisconsin shout out.

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<v Speaker 3>Both injured last week.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know what their status is, and if those

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<v Speaker 4>two don't play, protection is going to be an issue

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<v Speaker 4>for staff Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good point.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I haven't seen anything on them either, but obviously

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<v Speaker 2>we'll need to monitor that as the week goes on.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Pat, We've done it, We've gone through everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody has our picks already from earlier and again we

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<v Speaker 2>will see about that forty nine Ers Bengals game. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>see how that one turns out, and maybe it'll it'll

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<v Speaker 2>you know, push it at one and we can both

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<v Speaker 2>sort of you know, tip our hats and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>not be too upset there on Sunday night, and.

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<v Speaker 4>The dog stayed quiet. Dan, the chloroform worked perfectly. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't want to get the pe of people mad at me.

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<v Speaker 3>Just forget I.

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<v Speaker 1>Said that was a joke. He's earned an extra bone.

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<v Speaker 2>Pat My dog, I'm sure is downstairs staring at the

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<v Speaker 2>neighborhood Bobcat really ready to go out. And if he

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<v Speaker 2>ever ran out there and saw the Bobcat, he would

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<v Speaker 2>then turn over and like show his belly or something

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<v Speaker 2>because he's a whim. But anyway, thank you for popping

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<v Speaker 2>on everybody. Enjoy your NFL Sunday. We'll be back again

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<v Speaker 2>on Monday talking about an early look at the week

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen lines crazy that we're here, ready an early look

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<v Speaker 2>then on Monday or Tuesday, depending on when we get

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<v Speaker 2>it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Enjoy your weekend, everybody. We'll talk to you again then