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Speaker 1: And on this bonus episode, we are talking about this

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Speaker 1: week's full episode subject Harrison Ford. We are previewing next

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Speaker 1: week's episode on Alex Rocko. We're talking movie and music recommendations,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna check out your voicemails, texts, dms and emails.

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Speaker 1: So come on, everybody, let's party Okay, So Harrison Ford

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Speaker 1: certainly one of the defining actors of my generation gen X,

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Speaker 1: even though yes, I am aware Harrison Ford himself is

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Speaker 1: not gen X. Okay, he was born in nineteen forty two,

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Speaker 1: so he's older than our parents. He's older than my

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Speaker 1: and unbelievably, I guess looking back, he didn't really come

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Speaker 1: jump starting in the year nineteen eighty, Harrison Ford was

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Speaker 1: big business. He was in major blockbuster movies. He was

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Speaker 1: from the Replacements to Nirvana. Oh well, whatever, never mind.

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Speaker 1: That was our fucking ethos. That was our battle cry,

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Speaker 1: even though he was a lot older than the rest

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Speaker 1: But he was simultaneously the guy in the big movies

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Speaker 1: by also being the guy who was giving us that

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Speaker 2: Like what's this asshole all about? Right?

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Speaker 1: Harrison Ford had that fuck you attitude, and he also

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Speaker 1: had arguably the best resume of the decade. Okay, let

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Speaker 1: me prove this to you. This is from the year

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty to the year nineteen ninety. Okay, nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 1: Every movie on that list is either totally great or

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Speaker 1: Tom Cruise? Nah, he was still getting up to speed

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Speaker 1: as a photographer slash roady, slash whatever. With the doors. Yes,

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Speaker 1: a hot minute. And anyway, I'm off track now, but

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Speaker 2: What's ruined him forever? Right?

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Speaker 1: But Harrison Ford was always able, at least at least

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Speaker 1: in two separate and two very different doors. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not talking about the Jim Morrison La Woman Mister Mojo

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Speaker 1: be the greatest reactor we've ever had. There's that quote

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Speaker 1: Right, So I tried to find like a supercut or

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Speaker 1: Those reactions would work really well in a horror movie,

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Speaker 1: And that's not a spoiler. That's literally like the first

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Speaker 1: used to be. Man trailers. These days, they reveal too much.

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Speaker 1: When did we all need to know so much about

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Speaker 1: that is two hours and eight minutes long, Like, seriously, like,

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Speaker 1: more minutes to go pee? Why are we peeing every

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, if there's a zombie apocalypse, you better

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Speaker 1: Again, this is probably, you know, growing up in the

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Speaker 1: age of you know, well, if you miss it, that's it.

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Speaker 1: Very very true. I'm going to be talking about that

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Speaker 2: So love that. What's going on with you? What's new?

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Speaker 5: These people, these rock and roll people, these TV people,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for the listeners who don't know what we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: essentially the same timeline. You get Cass Elliott at a

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Speaker 2: party in the cast Elliot episode and you get her

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Speaker 2: point of view, and then you get the same scene

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Speaker 2: in the Sharon Tate episode, but from Sharon Tate's point

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Speaker 2: of view. We spent a lot of time on that.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure anyone noticed, but I don't give a

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Speaker 2: shit because it was really fun. And it's like one

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Speaker 2: of these things that I'm going to go back and

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Speaker 2: listen to twenty years from now and be like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we did that, and that was fucking awesome.

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Speaker 1: It was a lot of work, but it was really cool.

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Speaker 1: It was really fun to get yours because you wrote

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Speaker 1: yours first, and then I kind of took some things

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Speaker 1: from yours and went from there. So it was really

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Speaker 1: fun sort of piecing that all together.

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Speaker 4: For me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love the idea of doing this with Dean Martin,

448
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Speaker 2: very very very cool. We could do the same a

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Speaker 2: day of Stunior too. We could do the same thing

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Speaker 2: crossover and both yeah fields because acting and music.

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Speaker 1: Jen, thank you for the text, and thanks for sending

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Speaker 1: in your bookstack to us. Okay over on Instagram, our

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Speaker 1: guy Justin, we were talking about top ten movies of

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Speaker 1: the twenty first century, and just I think I did

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Speaker 1: just lists in general. So Justin shared his ten favorite

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Speaker 1: Westerns in no particular order, and I wanted to read

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Speaker 1: this list because it's a really cool list and it's surprising.

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Speaker 1: Justin says my top ten Westerns in no particular order.

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Speaker 1: Number one The Outlaw Josie Wales. That's Clint Eastwood. Number two,

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Speaker 1: Big Jake from nineteen seventy one. Anybody call you Big Jake?

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Speaker 1: Is that like a nickname you got going on?

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Speaker 2: Never?

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Speaker 1: Nope, all right, I'm gonna start a trend, Big Jake.

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Speaker 1: Number three, The Wild Bunch of course, Sam Pekempah. Number four.

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Speaker 1: Kind of a cheat here, Justin, but number four The

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Speaker 1: Man with No Name trilogy, fistfull of Dollars for a

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Speaker 1: few dollars more and the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.

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Speaker 1: Number five, The Last Outlaw. That's a nineteen ninety three

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Speaker 1: movie with Mickey Rourke. I've not seen that. Number six,

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Speaker 1: one hundred Rifles from nineteen sixty nine with Burt Reynolds

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Speaker 1: and Raquel Welch. I have not seen that one either.

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Speaker 1: Number seven Ned Kelly with Heath Ledger, Number eight, three,

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Speaker 1: ten to Yuma, number nine, The Shootest of Course John Wayne,

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Speaker 1: and number ten The Legend of the Lone Ranger from

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one with Christopher Lloyd. I do not know

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Speaker 1: that movie at all. What now? He also included an

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Speaker 1: honorable mention list here, and in his honorable mention list

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Speaker 1: he's got Unforgiven, which I got to say, justin, I

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Speaker 1: love this list, but it is unforgiven that that movie

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Speaker 1: is not.

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Speaker 2: In your top ten. But this subject matter is exactly

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Speaker 2: in my wheelhouse right now. I've finally fallen in love

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Speaker 2: with westerns. Yeah, they're the best. And it just kind

484
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Speaker 2: of happened by accident because the Chris Whitaker book that

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Speaker 2: you're reading right now, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even though it's

486
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Speaker 2: said in modern times is a sneaky Western, it really

487
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Speaker 2: truly is. I don't know how far into it you've gotten,

488
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Speaker 2: but it is, and it kind of set me on

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Speaker 2: this path. From there. I read Tom mcgaine's the book

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Speaker 2: he's set in Montana called Nobody's Angel, and I started watching.

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Speaker 2: Did we talk about American Primeval, the Netflix series?

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Speaker 1: You mentioned it on the after party, I think, but

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Speaker 1: you and I have not talked about it.

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Speaker 2: Have you seen it? No? I have not. It's fucking incredible,

495
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Speaker 2: and I think, honestly, like, I know it's it's like

496
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Speaker 2: a six episode TV series, but I would put it

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Speaker 2: up there with the greatest Westerns of all times. Sweet, Okay, cool,

498
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Speaker 2: I'll check it out. It is undeniably great. And from

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Speaker 2: from there I finally was like, fucking, I'm watching I'm

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Speaker 2: watching Deadwood and I started that. Have you seen that?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Of course? Yeah. I'm like, I'm almost done with the

503
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Speaker 2: first season. I cannot get over how good this is.

504
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Speaker 2: That is great, and how long it has taken me

505
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Speaker 2: to get pulled into this series. But it's really making

506
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Speaker 2: me consider Westerns and in this weird light, I don't

507
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Speaker 2: have to take figured out, but it's like they could

508
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Speaker 2: only go so far with the realism and the violence

509
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Speaker 2: in the sixties and the seventies and even up and

510
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Speaker 2: until the last few years, right, and this modern stuff

511
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Speaker 2: I think it started with It may have started with

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Speaker 2: Deadwood in that realm, but American Primeval goes even further.

513
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Speaker 2: It illustrates just how brutal the American West was and

514
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Speaker 2: how it informed us as a country right now. Just

515
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Speaker 2: the language of violence that we use in our content

516
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Speaker 2: and just in our lives. It's it's unbelievable sort of

517
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Speaker 2: searching around this morning. I didn't know we're gonna be

518
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Speaker 2: talking about this, But have you ever heard of this movie?

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Speaker 2: Isn't a movie or a series. It's a series called

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Speaker 2: Joe Picket. Joe Picket. No, it's it's a western and

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Speaker 2: it has one hundred percent rating on Rotten Tomatoes. It

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Speaker 2: was canceled. I think it's a Australian series. I think

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Speaker 2: one of our listeners may have mentioned this before. Okay,

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Speaker 2: but if anyone has heard it, and look, I mean,

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Speaker 2: this could just be like you know, clickbaity whatever, like

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent, that could be trolling us, but I'm looking,

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Speaker 2: it's one hundred percent. If anyone's seen Joe Pickett, get

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Speaker 2: at us and let us know if it's actually as

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Speaker 2: good as people say, because that's I mean one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: That's incredible. Yeah. Yeah, seriously, I haven't even heard of

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Speaker 2: this me neither, not until this morning. I feel like

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Speaker 2: maybe one of our Australian listeners had mentioned this to

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Speaker 2: us before.

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Speaker 1: All Right, there we go, Joe Picket, American Primeval justin,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much much for the list. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to check out some of these westerns that I have

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Speaker 1: not seen based on your recommendation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to actually seth Can you share that

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Speaker 2: in the Patreon and then we'll have it because I'll

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Speaker 2: forget about it and I think the listeners would really

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Speaker 2: love that as well.

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Speaker 1: Sweet, okay, cool, we'll do. And then over on Spotify.

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Speaker 1: We got a couple of comments this week that I

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Speaker 1: wanted to highlight. First of all, Jacob wrote, can you

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Speaker 1: one day do an episode on Jennifer Anison and her

546
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Speaker 1: fraught relationship with her parents, early career struggles being typecast

547
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Speaker 1: as Rachel Green and drum roll nearly I added the

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Speaker 1: drum roll nearly being assassinated by Harvey Weinstein.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I saw that comment and I almost responded, what

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Speaker 2: the fuck are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: Like, I No, I haven't done any research on this yet.

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Speaker 2: I need to just I can't comment. I need to

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Speaker 2: look into this. Yeah, maybe the commentaries is misusing the

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Speaker 2: word assassinate. I'm sure Harry Weinstein did horrible things, perhaps

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Speaker 2: to Jennifer Anison. I know that story about Brad Pitt

556
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Speaker 2: going after him, which I love. In defense of Jennifer Aniston,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. I love Jennifer ana. I

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Speaker 2: would love to get into this if there's some there there.

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Speaker 2: What do you think?

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Speaker 1: I would totally love to do an episode on Jennifer Innison.

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Speaker 1: So we'll look into that. Thank you, Jacob, and Jacob

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Speaker 1: if you have any more info on that, specifically, point

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Speaker 1: us in a direction, get back at us and let

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Speaker 1: us know. And then there's also a comment on Spotify.

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Speaker 1: John writes in Zeth, do read that tashis bio. It

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Speaker 1: is magisterial. Old Nikki from Newark was a tremendous writer

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Speaker 1: and good friend. Cheers Curly.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if Curly is his nickname, if his

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Speaker 1: name is John anyways, whatever, John Curley, that's awesome.

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Speaker 2: Well, Nick Toshis feels like he would have a good

572
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Speaker 2: friend named Curly for sure hanging out at the bar

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Speaker 2: with him.

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Speaker 1: Have you read have you read Dno?

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Speaker 2: I haven't No. I'm excited. I've read hell Fire and

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Speaker 2: I read heroes what is it? Heroes of Rock? And

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Speaker 2: roll whatever. The early one is when I was doing

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Speaker 2: the Johnny Ace research.

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Speaker 1: Country music one.

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Speaker 2: I've read that one as well. No, there's another one

581
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 2: that's like R and B and rock and roll, and

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Speaker 2: it's like an anthology like He's chapped is on like

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Speaker 2: a different artists. Really good, really great.

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Speaker 1: I also read it in the Hands of Dante or

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Speaker 1: something like that. It was a novel that he wrote,

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Speaker 1: I think, yep. Later on Yep, I read that years ago.

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Speaker 1: I think they're making a movie of that right now,

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Speaker 1: and I believe Martin Scorsese is playing Dante in it.

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Speaker 2: Speaking to our guy, Martin Scorsese. Yeah, damn, dude, I

590
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Speaker 2: don't even know what to do with this.

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Speaker 1: Apple TV is making. They're releasing a new documentary on

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Speaker 1: Martin Scorsese later this fall, and they just released a

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Speaker 1: trailer slash clip for it on social media yesterday. The

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Speaker 1: clip leads with all these Steven Spielberg, these director's friends,

595
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Speaker 1: talking about the time when Martin Scorsese was hold up

596
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Speaker 1: with a gun in his house and wanted to murder

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Speaker 1: a movie executive for making him change taxi driver, which

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Speaker 1: is the story that we told in Disgraceland. What like

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Speaker 1: a few months ago.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, And that's one of the best pieces of

601
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 2: content I think we've ever created. I love it, and

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00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: you know, when I die, I hope people listen to

603
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 2: that and go, oh, that's something that Double Elvis made

604
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: and this is representative of it. And then I saw

605
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 2: that thing, and I, you know, I shouldn't be surprised

606
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 2: or whatever. Like it's his story, it's his to tell,

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00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 2: and he's got he's got, like literally, like Spielberg and

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00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: DePalma are telling the story on screen, which is amazing

609
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 2: and it's great. I hope this thing ends up. This

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00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: story is its own, like little little play, its own

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00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: three act play. It could be one of those films

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Speaker 2: like Hurley Burley or Two Girls and a Guy that

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00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: takes place in like one place over a concentrated period

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Speaker 2: of time. And I'd love to see the scripted version

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00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: of it. But I just I have to point out

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00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: this story, Okay, this is something that has been whispered

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Speaker 2: about for decades.

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Speaker 1: Which is why it's so incredible that these guys are

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Speaker 1: talking about it, because it was so hard for us

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Speaker 1: to chase down all the various threads of this story

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Speaker 1: because it's not easily out there right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was hard to chase down, but we chased

623
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Speaker 2: it down. I think we're going to be vindicated. I

624
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 2: think when they tell this story, people are going to

625
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 2: look back and go, Jake and Zeth and the double

626
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,959
Speaker 2: of this guy's fucking nailed it because we did. But

627
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 2: here's the thing, you know, this is how the shit works,

628
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 2: how it moves over time. Twenty years ago, the majority

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Speaker 2: of people, like in the know in Hollywood, Hollywood historians,

630
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Speaker 2: et cetera, would have said that this story was made

631
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Speaker 2: up and it was fabricated and it was bullshit. It

632
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Speaker 2: was in that book Easy Riders and Raging Bulls, right,

633
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Speaker 2: which is as good of a sourcing as I mean.

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Speaker 2: That book is incredible, and I believe what is in

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Speaker 2: that book. I believe the people that he talked to

636
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Speaker 2: who are on record in that book. But still it

637
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Speaker 2: was one of those stories that people were just like, no,

638
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: that's just bullshit, conspiracy, you know what I mean. And

639
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: then sometime in the early two thousands, Quentin Tarantino did

640
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Speaker 2: an interview and he talked about it, and then the

641
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 2: story kind of shifted and had more credibility, but then

642
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 2: it kind of shifted to oh, well, you know, Quintin's

643
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 2: just like, you know, he's just telling tall tales. He

644
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: likes a good story, right, And it was still these things.

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Speaker 2: It was like, that was that's a conspiracy. It didn't

646
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: fucking happen. And then I think in twenty fifteen, Scorsese

647
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 2: sat down with Steven Steven Spielberg and they gave a

648
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 2: talk and this came out. It came up right, and

649
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 2: they both verified it, right, you know. And now here

650
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 2: we are ten years after that and they're on record

651
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 2: in a fucking movie about Martin Scorsese talking about how

652
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: it happens. You know what I'm saying, Like you know

653
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: what I'm getting at, Yes, I do, over and over

654
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 2: and over and over again. There are these incredible stories

655
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: from Hollywood history and from music history that people just dismiss.

656
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 2: They're just like it didn't happen because yet that thing

657
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: about Palu McCartney didn't happen because pal McCartney said it

658
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 2: didn't happen. Like what the fuck do you believe everything

659
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 2: you read in the paper that the politicians say as well?

660
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 2: Like come on, this is exhibit A and I'm psyched

661
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 2: to see it. I am I'm pumped.

662
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, Okay, getting back to the Ta Tasha's thing,

663
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: John Curly, I will let you know what I think

664
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: of that book once I read it. Thank you for

665
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: reaching out, and to everyone else, please reach out. Call

666
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: us or text us at six one seven nine oh

667
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Speaker 1: six sixty six three eight, email us at Disgrace slampod

668
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com, hit us up on Instagram, Facebook X,

669
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Speaker 1: send us to your recommendations. Jake and I have some

670
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: recommendations for all of you. What you're gonna get into

671
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: right after this break?

672
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: Handtight?

673
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: Oh right, everybody, welcome back to the wrap parties. Zeth

674
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: Lundy here with Jake Brennan coming at you with the

675
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: part of the show we call for your consideration. This

676
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: is where Jake and I give you music and movie recommendations.

677
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: But the twist is that they are recommendations inspired by

678
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: the subject from our full episode of Hollywood Land this week.

679
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: That said, Jake, what are your Harrison Ford inspired music recommendations?

680
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: Okay, somehow, in the process of this, without us discussing

681
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: it or coming to this decision, I've sort of challenged

682
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 2: myself here to not give obvious recommendations. So the obvious

683
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: recommendation here for Harrison Ford would be something Doors related, because,

684
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 2: as we get to in the episode, he worked with

685
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 2: the Doors prior to his career as a dope dealer,

686
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 2: I mean as an actor. So I'm not gonna say

687
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: the Doors. Plus, what can I say about the Doors

688
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: that you haven't already said in twenty seven Club and

689
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: said so a lot wonderfully. So Harrison Ford follow me.

690
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go in a real roundabout way, but I'm

691
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: gonna land this plane. Harrison Ford. I thought like, literally,

692
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: this is my thinking, Harrison Ford. Then I thought Ford Theater.

693
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 2: Then I thought Abraham Lincoln because he got shot at

694
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 2: the Ford Theater. And then I thought, okay, what music

695
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: about Abraham Lincoln. I thought about Gillian Welch and that

696
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 2: great album Time the Revelator from two thousand and one.

697
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: Multiple Abraham Lincoln mentions on that in lyrics just and

698
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 2: there's this incredible song Ruination Day, Part two, and the

699
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 2: lyrics kick it off, and the Great Barge sank, and

700
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 2: the Oakie's fled and the Great Emancipator took a bullet

701
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 2: in the head. Just fucking incredible. The Great Barge sank,

702
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 2: you know, Ruination Day. Abraham Lincoln died on April fourteenth, right,

703
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: I believe that's the same day the Titanic sank A

704
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: couple of years old, a couple decades later, and I

705
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 2: think the Great Barge sank. She's talking about the Titanic

706
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: and the Oakie's fled. I don't know what she's talking

707
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 2: about there, and the Great Emancipator took a bullet in

708
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 2: the head. And this song is haunting. The whole record

709
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 2: is haunting. So Gillian Welch, the album is Time the Revelator.

710
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 2: The song I'm talking about is Ruination Day Part two.

711
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 2: But literally every single song on this album is incredible.

712
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna co sign on that recommendation. It's an

713
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: incredible album.

714
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 2: So Gillian Welch. From Gillian Welch, I thought, I don't

715
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 2: even know if her name is is this? Is it

716
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 2: Gillian Flynn or Gillian Flynn from X whatever, the chick

717
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 2: who's not the dude in the X Files.

718
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 1: Oh, Jillian Anderson, Jillian Anderson, Jillian Jillian Flynn.

719
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: Who's Jillian Jillian Flynn is the author who I love

720
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 2: Gone Girl.

721
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: I think that's Gillian Flynn, but I believe Gillian Anderson. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay.

722
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: So we have even one more one more hop skipping

723
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 2: a jump here, Gillian Welch, Gillian Flynn, Jillian Anderson, X files.

724
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 2: I thought X the band X. Now there's tons of

725
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 2: X I could recommend, but I'm not going to recommend

726
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 2: any X music. Just go listen to all of it.

727
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 2: I will recommend the Client of Western Civilization Part one,

728
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: which any music head or any any punk rock heavy

729
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: metal head will have seen this. But if you're punk

730
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 2: rock curious, if you're West Coast hardcore curious, you have

731
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 2: to see Decline of Western Civilization Part one. If you're

732
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 2: a Go Gos fan but you're not a punk rock

733
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 2: fan like you got into the Go Goos later, you

734
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 2: need to see this. And X is prominently featured in

735
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 2: this movie. I just realized. I just learned that. This

736
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 2: this week, Ryan Adams released a new version of Heartbreaker

737
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 2: for the twenty fifth anniversary of his incredible album Heartbreaker. Okay,

738
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 2: and it's like a symphonic take on the songs. And

739
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 2: he recreated the album just with Him now like he

740
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: recreated the album called the cover just with Him now. Yeah. Yeah,

741
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: And I didn't realize that the original album cover and

742
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: the remake now is is a rip of the Germs

743
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: album cover and I'm blanking on the name right now

744
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 2: from back in the I think it was nineteen eighty Germs,

745
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: also prominent West Coast hardcore band, not to mention Pat

746
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 2: Simir from Nirvana and Foo Fighter's original band, and the

747
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 2: band that Blinda Carlisle from the Go Gos first played

748
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 2: drums in La Punk. Featured prominently in Decline of the

749
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 2: Western Civilization Part one. I got there from X, the

750
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: band X. Now you want another Harrison Ford reference, Well, okay,

751
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 2: ray Man Xeric from the Doors produced the first X album.

752
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 2: I like that, okay. And then Harrison Ford was of

753
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: course the roady for the Doors. However, I have one

754
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 2: more to give you here, right So I went from

755
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: Harrison Ford, I got to X, and then I got

756
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 2: to the Doors. And now I'm thinking Doors. I'm thinking,

757
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: I'm thinking Rear Admiral. I'm thinking, I'm thinking about the

758
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: old man, Jim Morrison's dad, the Rear Admiral of the

759
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 2: United States Navy. And I thought Admiral Halsey, uncle Albert

760
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: from the incredible record RAM, the Paul McCartney record RAM,

761
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: which is a huge album in my heart. Critics hated

762
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 2: this record when it came out. It's my favorite Paul

763
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 2: McCartney album.

764
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: It might be it's the best solo Beatles album full stop. Yeah,

765
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: You're right, and and All Things Must Pass would compete,

766
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: But that third disc with all the fucking jamming on it,

767
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: that drags it down a little bit.

768
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 2: Yes, Ram is incredible, and I heard RAM on the

769
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 2: same night, on the same drive between New York City

770
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: and Philadelphia, Mike jen from The Pigs played me Ram,

771
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 2: and he played me live at the Star Club by

772
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: Jerry Lewis for the first time. And hearing that live

773
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 2: at the Star Club that night is partly responsible for

774
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 2: why we're here today, because I never would have dove

775
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 2: as deeply into Jerry Lee Lewis and come up with

776
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 2: Disgrace Sland. So there are my three recks for you

777
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 2: right there. Time The Revelator by Gillian Welch, Decline a

778
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 2: Western Civilization featuring X and Ram by Paul McCartney. That's

779
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 2: quite a list.

780
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen that live RAM performance that Mike

781
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: Viola and some other people did. It wasn't Mike Viola's thing,

782
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: he was like part of it, yes, but they performed

783
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: the whole album live and it's incredible.

784
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: Yes, I have seen it, and I actually hired Corn

785
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: Ashley and his band to perform RAM live from start

786
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 2: to finish for my wife for her thirtieth birthday. That's incredible. Yeah,

787
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 2: it was amazing. They fucking nailed it, and Viola nailed

788
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 2: it as well.

789
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: Just great, wow, awesome, awesome, awesome. All right, Okay, my turn.

790
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: So Look, I could easily recommend three great Harrison Ford

791
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: movies right off the top of my head, but like,

792
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: what's the point Because you've all seen them all you're

793
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: gonna gona nod your heads and be like, Yep, that's great,

794
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: that's great. Even if I do something off the beaten path,

795
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: like the Mosquito Coast. Still, it's just like it's uninteresting

796
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: to me.

797
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 2: Okay.

798
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 1: So what I want to recommend and what I want

799
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: to talk about are three great movies that Harrison Ford

800
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: turned down, three great roles that he movies he was

801
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: not in, and Jake, I want to litigate with you

802
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: right here, in real time whether or not those movies

803
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: would have been better Okay with Harrison Ford in them.

804
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 2: Okay, love this all right?

805
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: So Number one JFK nineteen ninety one, directed by Oliver Stone.

806
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: So Harrison Ford was up for the role of Jim Garrison,

807
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: which of course went to Kevin Costner. What do you

808
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: think about this movie with Harrison Ford as Jim Garrison.

809
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 2: I can't stop thinking of Harrison Ford and Kevin Bacon's

810
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 2: you a five looking piece of meekness of Gason. Yeah, damn.

811
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: I love Kevin Costner in this role. Yeah, it's a

812
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 2: defining role for Kevin Costs Greed. I think it's his

813
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 2: best role. Actually, I think it's better than Field of Dreams,

814
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: better than The Untouchables. But Harrison Ford, Wow, he would

815
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 2: have He would have brought a kind of like like

816
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 2: a meanness to it almost, you know, like a like

817
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 2: a pissiness.

818
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh yeah, he would have been much more cynical.

819
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: I think what works for Kevin Costner is that there's

820
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: something so like green and aw shucks about him. Yeah

821
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean That I think really works as

822
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: his character has sort of plunged into this world of

823
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: conspiracies and stuff, and it would it just would have

824
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: been different with Harrison Ford.

825
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, I think. I think Costner was

826
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 2: probably perfect for that movie for the time it came

827
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: out in because again, to our point earlier about conspiracy.

828
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 2: I was just reading in the ac DC research this

829
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 2: guy shot down the Bond Scott lyrics for back in

830
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: Black conspiracy, and he's like, people who believe that believe

831
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 2: in the JFK conspiracy. I'm like, yeah, you mean the

832
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:52,479
Speaker 2: fucking truth.

833
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 5: Truth.

834
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 2: But that that wasn't the case in whatever nineteen ninety one,

835
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 2: when when whenever jf came out and JFK went a

836
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 2: long way in bringing people along toward the truth, and

837
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: you I think, I think Harrison Ford would have been

838
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 2: too cynical, and it wouldn't have it wouldn't have scanned right,

839
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 2: and it probably wouldn't have had the impact it had.

840
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 2: So for that, even though I may have enjoyed Harrison

841
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: Ford in it more than Kevin Costner, I think the

842
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 2: role in the movie is better with Costner.

843
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, all right, Sticking with Costner. At number two,

844
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: The Untouchables nineteen eighty seven, directed by Brian de Palma,

845
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: once again, Harrison Ford was up for the role of

846
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: Elliott Ness, which Kevin Costner famously played. What do you

847
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: think Harrison Ford as Elliott Ness with this movie?

848
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 2: I don't like this movie. I don't like this movie.

849
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 2: You don't like this movie.

850
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: I have a soft spot for this movie because it

851
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: was my first gangster movie that I latched onto as

852
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: a kid, you know what I mean.

853
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even really think of it as a

854
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 2: gangster movie.

855
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: I saw.

856
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 2: I watched it recently. Well, I had it on recently

857
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 2: while I was doing stuff around the house to try

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Speaker 2: and give it another chance. And I love Sean Connery

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Speaker 2: in it, and I like it fine, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean. But I don't love it, and I think, yeah,

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Speaker 2: would it would definitely be better. The aus shucks thing

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Speaker 2: that cost is doing in this movie is probably more

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Speaker 2: accurate to who Elliott Ness was. Yeah, I think you're right,

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Speaker 2: But I think it could have used some cynicism and

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Speaker 2: some Harrison Ford grit to it.

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Speaker 1: You know who the third actor was, who was up

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Speaker 1: for both of those roles. By the way, as well,

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Speaker 1: it was a three way. It was Harrison Ford, Kevin Costner,

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Speaker 1: and then Mel Gibson.

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Speaker 2: Mel would not have been it would have been so

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Speaker 2: over the top man.

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Speaker 1: He would have done his lethal weapon like his Looney

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Speaker 1: Tunes thing, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'll tell you what. Al Capol wouldn't have

875
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Speaker 2: died a syphilis. Yeah, Mel Gibson was on the case.

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Speaker 1: Oh shit, all right, number three who framed Roger Rabbit

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight Roberts A.

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Speaker 2: Mechi's movie.

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Speaker 1: Harrison Ford was up for the role of Eddie was

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Speaker 1: played by Bob Hoskins. Obviously this one he didn't. Actually

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00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: he tenderly didn't turn this down. He was too he

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Speaker 1: was too expensive.

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Speaker 2: Hmmm, yeah, good. He shouldn't have been in this movie

884
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Speaker 2: at all. See.

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Speaker 1: I had this whole thing I talked about earlier about

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Speaker 1: how I think Harrison Ford is the is the greatest

887
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Speaker 1: reactor facial reactor in movie history, Like he has the

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Speaker 1: best reactions this incredulous, like oh my god, what is happening?

889
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: And I think that would have worked really well, reacting

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Speaker 1: against all these like animations happening around him.

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00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, for the art film nerds it would. But for

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Speaker 4: the general ticket by public, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know art film nerds, I don't Maybe the

895
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Speaker 1: art film nerds were like into this movie.

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Speaker 4: They would have been, is my point, if Harrison Ford

897
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Speaker 4: was in it, because then they would have been able

898
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Speaker 4: to dissect his facial reactions.

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Speaker 1: All right, man, listen, we got to wrap this up.

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00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 1: You've got places to go. I've got places. I actually

901
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: I don't have anywhere to go, but I got shit

902
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: to do. You go to the places and I'll just

903
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Speaker 1: stay here, all.

904
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Speaker 2: Right, I'll do that. This is awesome. Thanks for having

905
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 2: me appreciate it.

906
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Speaker 1: Till next week, everybody else, stay right where you are.

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Speaker 1: I'll be right back with some final thoughts right after

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Speaker 1: this later. Oh right, everybody, thanks again once again forgetting

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Speaker 1: to the end of the line of a brand new

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Speaker 1: rap party episode. Psyche, that you're here, Psyche, that we're talking,

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Speaker 1: and I want to hear more. I want to know

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Speaker 1: what you've been getting into, What are you watching, what

913
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Speaker 1: are you're reading, what are you listening to? Always looking

914
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Speaker 1: for recommendations, you are recommendations. Even better, send me your

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Speaker 1: recommendations for new episodes of Hollywood Land. What actor or

916
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Speaker 1: director or producer has some crazy story that involves or

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Speaker 1: maybe intersects with true crime. Okay, I've got a running

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Speaker 1: list of names.

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Speaker 2: The list is.

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Speaker 1: Getting longer every day, many of these sent in by

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Speaker 1: all of you, So thank you. But keep them coming, okay,

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Speaker 1: And I know I keep threatening new new episodes of

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Speaker 1: the show, and we'll get there. But in the meantime,

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Speaker 1: we're always looking for inspiration. Maybe we already have an

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Speaker 1: episode on someone and you think there's a story we

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Speaker 1: forgot to tell or didn't have time to tell, and

927
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Speaker 1: so now we need to make a part two episode.

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Speaker 2: What do you got?

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Speaker 1: Hit me up, let me know six one seven nine

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Speaker 1: six six six three eight listen you want to throw

931
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Speaker 1: together at Harrison Ford? Supercut for me of all the

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Speaker 1: times he reacts, his incredulous reactions. I think that's the

933
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Speaker 1: perfect word, incredulous for the way that he reacts. Man,

934
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Speaker 1: he's just the best. I need a supercut of this

935
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Speaker 1: so we can sort of prove our case, Okay, so

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Speaker 1: that history can show for the record that this is true. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and until we meet again, I got to tell you

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Speaker 1: for important things. Number one available right now in your

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Speaker 1: Hollywood Land feed. Our episode on Harrison Ford. Number two

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Speaker 1: coming next week on Monday. Our episode on Alex Rocko.

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Speaker 1: in honor of this week's episode, Here's Me reading You

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Speaker 1: the list of the top movies of nineteen eighty six,

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Speaker 1: the only time Harrison Ford was ever nominated for Best

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Speaker 1: Actor for his role in the film Witness. Number one,

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Speaker 1: Top Gun, directed by Tony Scott. Number two Crocodile Dundee

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Speaker 1: directed by.

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Speaker 2: Peter Faman j Eaves.

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Speaker 1: Number three, Platoon directed by Oliver Stone directed directed by

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Speaker 1: Number four The Karate Kid Part Number twix directed by

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Speaker 1: John g. Direct Egelson. Number five Star Trek. Fourth, The

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Speaker 1: Voyage Home By directed.

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Speaker 2: By Leonard Meimoy.

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Speaker 1: Number eight, Number six Back to School directed by Wit

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Speaker 1: Talk