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Speaker 1: It's no no love. Hello, welcome you to the naughty

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Speaker 1: ver nic sham your house to rub Shooter. And it's

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Speaker 1: Monday morning, which means our dear friend Garrett Vogel joins us. Hey, Garret,

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Speaker 1: are you there?

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Speaker 2: Bob?

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Speaker 3: Hello? Good morning? How was your weekend?

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Speaker 1: Really lovely? My sister was visiting from London. Ooh, so

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Speaker 1: she came in on Thursday, Friday, Saturday and she flew

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Speaker 1: back Sunday night. We had so much fun. We won't

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Speaker 1: see a few shows. Bery Boop the musical. Have you

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Speaker 1: seen this Boop? No?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: But I mean I grew up on the cartoon? How

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Speaker 2: how is the live action on brilliant?

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Speaker 1: Brilliant? It was absolutely brilliant. She starts as a cartoon,

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Speaker 1: so it's all black and white, and then she comes

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Speaker 1: to our world a little bit like Barbie. She leaves

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Speaker 1: Boopland and she comes to our world and it all

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Speaker 1: turns to color like the Wizard of Ours. Is absolutely brilliant.

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Speaker 1: I gotta say she's a breakout star Jasin. I think

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Speaker 1: her name is Oh my goodness. She looks like Boops.

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Speaker 1: She moves like Boops. Boom boom boo boo boom. It

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Speaker 1: just adorable. So me and Christine had a lovely time.

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Speaker 1: What did you do this weekend?

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Speaker 3: Solo?

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Speaker 2: I'm a bachelor this weekend, the family is on a

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Speaker 2: little spring break because the kids don't have school, and

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Speaker 2: went to the kids went to Florida and oh, I

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Speaker 2: stayed in a lovely state of New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: I love New Jersey. I love New Jersey. I'd be

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Speaker 1: a little worried that you look so sharp today if

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Speaker 1: I was your wife whilst she's away. It looks like

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Speaker 1: you've had a hair cut, you've grown a beard.

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Speaker 3: Well good, no not?

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Speaker 2: You know what it is, rob shooter because the comments

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Speaker 2: alone and I don't get to experience it as much

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Speaker 2: as you do. But once we start doing these things online,

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Speaker 2: people have have some choice words, as if they are

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Speaker 2: your own personal assistance of sorts of going.

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Speaker 3: You know, your hair could be a little.

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Speaker 1: Bit like I think it comes from love. People want

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Speaker 3: They probably say it in the nice tones, But do

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Speaker 3: you think the way I read it.

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Speaker 1: Is don't read it in a voice. I always read

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Speaker 1: I read mean comments, all comments in a nice voice. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's jump into ash Yeah, what time is it? My

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Speaker 1: friends and is tea time big story at the top

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Speaker 1: of the show, So a producer from Bravo is coming

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Speaker 1: forward saying that talent on the show are actually actually

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Speaker 1: punished when they get sober. So full disclosure here. He's

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Speaker 1: an Emmy Award winning producer, Patrick McDonald. He was a

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Speaker 1: producer on my show, The Gossip Table. I know Patrick

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Speaker 1: really well, super smart, super talented, has talked about his demons,

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Speaker 1: has had some terrible issues himself with sobriety. Then he

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Speaker 1: got a job on the Housewives, and then they sort

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Speaker 1: of like pushed him to one side once it was

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Speaker 1: revealed that he had started an only Fans page. For

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Speaker 1: people that don't know what only Fans is. It's a

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Speaker 1: subscription based service where you pay money and you get

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Speaker 1: access to often very X rated content. So Patrick has

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Speaker 1: started this page. Bravo doesn't like that. Well, now that

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Speaker 1: Patrick has basically been five. If you get fired, if

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Speaker 1: So guess who's swooped in. Guess who swooped in to

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Speaker 1: what she was save the day? Who would beany fr

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Speaker 1: Bethany Frankel, You've got it right, So Bethany reached out

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Speaker 1: to Patrick. Of course she did and swered come on

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Speaker 1: she got him to say, basically that everything is amplified

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Speaker 1: substance abuse and problems. Patrick said, it was really hard

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Speaker 1: to work on that. That's serious because the women are

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Speaker 1: examples and receipts. If you get sober, if you decide

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Speaker 1: And so this is just an ugly truth that I

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Speaker 2: Now do you think that. I mean, we know, like

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So it's kind of like,

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Speaker 2: you get sober, Yes, you're you're not as interesting as

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Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that they need to drink, but

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you if you want train wreck TV, you

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Speaker 1: think Bravo has to have some really big internal conversations.

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Speaker 1: When the Housewives started, it was that's just ridiculous, and

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Speaker 1: part of this is Bravo is owned by NBC. NBC

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Speaker 1: and so all that was fun when it was just Bravo.

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Speaker 1: But now this mergers going forward, where NBC is getting

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Speaker 1: It's about advertisers. That's what I learned very very quickly

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Speaker 1: the low the producers, the company to sell ads. It's

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Speaker 2: Care this podcast. This podcast means nothing. That's because we

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Speaker 2: care about the content. If we stopped caring about the content,

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Speaker 2: it just did really boring stories that plugged advertisers products.

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Speaker 2: I've got a great story about a new vacuum cleaner, Garrett.

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Speaker 1: If we did those type of stories, nobody would listen.

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Speaker 1: And I'm more interested in the naughties than I am

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Speaker 1: and also you don't want to really make your advertisers.

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Speaker 3: Angry, right of course.

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Speaker 2: I mean they're the ones that keep the bill, your

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Speaker 3: So I get it, under I understand it.

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Speaker 2: But do you think we're at the point where the

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I'm over it a little bit. What I used to

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Speaker 1: first five years of American Idol. It was really really wrong.

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Speaker 1: Like we used to laugh at people on Idol who

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Speaker 1: That isn't funny. Now if somebody came on who was

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Speaker 1: I don't think I want to watch that anymore. So

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Speaker 1: I've changed, not just not just society has changed. What

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Speaker 2: Funny you say American Idol because I started watching it

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Speaker 2: again because you know, you want that family show on

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Speaker 3: So it felt like everybody that at least.

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Speaker 3: So it's kind of like there was no ex You need.

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Speaker 1: Some conflict, You need some conflict, and you've got to

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Speaker 1: It's always a bad I'm notaty but nice. If I

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Speaker 1: brings us to our Pooh question. After day, producers are

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Speaker 1: saying that brother punishes cast cast members for getting sober. Wow,

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Speaker 1: that's a big allegation. Do you believe it is? This producer? Right? Hey,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw this over the weekend,

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Speaker 2: she was spotted coming off. I would believe her private jet.

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Speaker 2: She's not flying Jet Blue or United or private jet,

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Speaker 2: The the very burly bodyguard with big arms holding a

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Speaker 1: I don't judge all this stuff. If flying you might

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Speaker 1: they're a home, they're on the road, Britney is on vacation.

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Speaker 1: I think we all have our little quirks. Mine is

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Speaker 1: Crayon's Crayola crayons, and I've always got one in my pocket.

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Speaker 1: a child. It reminds me of been four or five

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Speaker 1: my little quirk. Do you have a quirk or do

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Speaker 1: have today's polls results. Sloppy, sluppy, sloppy, sloppy. What you vote,

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Speaker 1: He's the one person who is not in trouble. People

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Speaker 1: Take care of your body. It's start even nice with

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