WEBVTT - Jonah/Weekend Wrap Up/NXT War Games

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition

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<v Speaker 1>of the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get it all. How's it going, everybody? Brian Alvarez

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<v Speaker 1>here on Wrestling Observer Live. We are here every day

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<v Speaker 1>Monday through Friday, now Pacific three s during a Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>And it is Monday on the show, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>what that means. We've got a lot to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>here today, very very busy weekend and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>things coming up, particularly on today's show. Yesterday was n

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<v Speaker 1>XT War Games. What did you think of this show?

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<v Speaker 1>It had the good and the bad and the ugly.

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<v Speaker 1>It was not a traditional takeover, but you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't call it takeover. So if you're a fan

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<v Speaker 1>of the n x T Talent and w w E

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<v Speaker 1>main roster shows, if I got the show for you,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll give you the results of that show here today.

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<v Speaker 1>Also an update on Jeff Hardy. Very strange situation where

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Hardy was wrestling a match and then he just

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<v Speaker 1>left in the middle of the match and he has

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<v Speaker 1>since been sent home. We'll give you more details on that.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got updates on Johnny Gargano who schedule or his contract.

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<v Speaker 1>It's expired and it's a very interesting story we'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about here. Shabbada has got a big announcement. Jerry Lawler

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<v Speaker 1>has resigned with w W e FTR is gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>facing the Rock and Roll Express coming up. I hope

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<v Speaker 1>they do better than myself and filthy Tom Lawler did.

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<v Speaker 1>And in the final segment of this show, I'm very

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<v Speaker 1>happy today to be joined by Jonah the former Bronson

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<v Speaker 1>Reid and n x T is gonna be joining us

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<v Speaker 1>on the show today. I just watched him thirty minutes ago,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely murder this poor bloke on New Japan Strong. So

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk to him about New Japan and and whatever

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<v Speaker 1>we want to get into today, because there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about that's coming up in the final segment

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<v Speaker 1>of the show, So a lot to get into if

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<v Speaker 1>you would like to Texas here today. Four to five

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<v Speaker 1>seven eight zero seven five six six is the phone

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<v Speaker 1>number that is four to five seven eight zero seven

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<v Speaker 1>five six six. Brian at Wrestling Observer dot com is

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<v Speaker 1>the email and at Brian Alvarez on at Twitter. Back

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<v Speaker 1>in just a moment, Mike sumber v stick around everybody

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<v Speaker 1>Wrestling Observer Live in the show. Brian Albarez here Wrestling

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<v Speaker 1>Observer Alive. Mike sumber Vivi also Wrestling Observer dot Com

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<v Speaker 1>is noted in the opening segment. Jonah will be joining

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<v Speaker 1>us on the program today. The former Bronson read, are

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<v Speaker 1>we talking to him about a lot of different things?

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<v Speaker 1>And yes, tomorrow is the big day, barring some whatever

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<v Speaker 1>because you never know what's gonna happen on Observer Live.

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<v Speaker 1>But Mike sumber viv will be co hosting with Oreo

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<v Speaker 1>the Orca and we will be interviewing Dan Housing. That

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<v Speaker 1>is a tomorrow You're un Wrestling Observer Alive, so get

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<v Speaker 1>ready for that. That should be exciting. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm more excited for to see you in that

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<v Speaker 1>outfit and to talk to Oreo face to face or

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<v Speaker 1>Danny I where no outfit. The whale is showing up.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wait, wait wait a second on time time out?

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<v Speaker 1>Does this mean we are going to get wrestling perspective

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<v Speaker 1>and a raw report from the view of Oreo the Orca.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not gonna be there, so I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what's gonna happen, but we'll find out tomorrow, won't we. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get some important news here, because this actually is

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<v Speaker 1>some way concerning story here and we don't have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of details. Jeff Hardy was reportedly sent home following

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<v Speaker 1>a match that took place over the weekend in a

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<v Speaker 1>w w E health show. P WVE Inside reported tonight

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Hardy was sent home from the road did not

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<v Speaker 1>appear tonight's health show in Corpus Christi, Texas. On Saturday,

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<v Speaker 1>he was teaming with Xavier Woods and Drew McIntyre against

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<v Speaker 1>the Bloodline Roman Rains in the us OS at an

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<v Speaker 1>event in Edenburg, Texas. He spent most of the match

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<v Speaker 1>in the ring and was said to be more sluggish

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<v Speaker 1>as the match continued. He reportedly made a hot tag

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<v Speaker 1>to McIntyre and then walked out through the crowd, followed

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<v Speaker 1>by security and did not return to the ring after

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<v Speaker 1>Woods and McIntyre. One Ray Mysterio replaced Hardy in the

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<v Speaker 1>match on tonight's show. Already Last wrestled on television. Novembery,

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<v Speaker 1>on SmackDown Last Person eliminated in a Battle Royal to

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<v Speaker 1>determine the next number one contender for the w w

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<v Speaker 1>E Universal title. He was dumped to the floor by

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<v Speaker 1>Sammy Zane, who ended up losing his championship match on

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<v Speaker 1>this week's SmackDown. So I don't really have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to add this. This happened, It was not a work

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<v Speaker 1>and I know there are people that are concerned for

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Hardy, and obviously a lot of people don't have

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<v Speaker 1>any ideas going on, and I don't know what's going on,

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<v Speaker 1>but obviously Jeff Hardy has had many many issues in

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<v Speaker 1>the past. Hopefully it is not that I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on, but obviously we want to wish the

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<v Speaker 1>best to Jeff Hardy and hopefully whatever the situation was,

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<v Speaker 1>it is resolved quickly. But that is one that's a

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<v Speaker 1>weird one, like walking out in the middle of the match,

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<v Speaker 1>not before after the show, not no showing, doing the

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<v Speaker 1>whole match, making a hot tag, and leaving. So I

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<v Speaker 1>hope everything is all right there. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>it's leaving as much as leaving through the crowd. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>if something just clicked and you got slagg issues the match,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever happened as the match went on, you know, to

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<v Speaker 1>to bail out of the ring and to go to

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<v Speaker 1>the back or you know, okay, that makes some sense

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<v Speaker 1>for him to go through the crowd. That's where it's

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<v Speaker 1>obviously leading my thing more to what is really going

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<v Speaker 1>on here, But the best to him, It's bottom line

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<v Speaker 1>is hopefully he is healthy and whatever happened, hopefully it's

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<v Speaker 1>a again fixes itself quickly. Well I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>say hopefully it's a concussion, because I never want to

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<v Speaker 1>see anybody get a concussion, but if he were doing

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<v Speaker 1>a match and suffered a concussion, it made a hot

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<v Speaker 1>tag and just left and didn't even know which way

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<v Speaker 1>he was going. I mean, at least a concussion, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately that's gonna heal. Everything's gonna be all right. So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to talk anymore about it because we

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<v Speaker 1>don't know anything more about it, but that very thing, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the hydration. There's so many things that could that it

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<v Speaker 1>could be, but everybody, because of what's happened in the past,

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<v Speaker 1>always looks to the worst. So hopefully there is no

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<v Speaker 1>worse to this and everything is fixed quickly. So we'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about war games in a moment, but Johnny Gargano

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<v Speaker 1>will address his future on this Tuesday's edition. Of an

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<v Speaker 1>x T. So if you didn't watch War Games last night,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what's going on with Johnny Gargano. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let me repeat that, I don't know what's going on

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<v Speaker 1>with Johnny Gargano, but I'm getting this feeling that he's

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<v Speaker 1>staying with w w E. I could be a thousand

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<v Speaker 1>percent wrong, Okay, but Johnny Gargano's contract expired and he

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<v Speaker 1>signed a short term deal, which and I could be

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<v Speaker 1>wrong about this, but to my understanding, it was through

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<v Speaker 1>the pay per view, which means his contract should be

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<v Speaker 1>expired right now. Perhaps he actually signed through television, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>that could be what happened. But I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>you guys are aware of this or not. But there's

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<v Speaker 1>been a lot of people that have been fired released

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<v Speaker 1>from w w E over the past a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>years now, and uh, you know, a lot of them

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<v Speaker 1>don't get a send off. And they were they did

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<v Speaker 1>the show, and it was literally part of the storyline

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<v Speaker 1>that this might be the end for Johnny Gardano, and

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<v Speaker 1>him and Champa were talking about it, this could be

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<v Speaker 1>the end. Let's do this one more time. They were

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<v Speaker 1>doing d I Y spots during the match. The fans

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<v Speaker 1>were channing, thank you, Johnny. Now it turns out he's

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<v Speaker 1>coming back on Tuesday to address his future. And if

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<v Speaker 1>w w E we're thinking this guy's out of here,

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to a w This is not in their wheelhouse.

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<v Speaker 1>So is possible that he is not leaving immediately? It

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<v Speaker 1>is possibly he's resigned another deal. It's possibly he's coming

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<v Speaker 1>back to w w E. I mean they certainly one

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<v Speaker 1>way or the other, they're not letting him on TV Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 1>He's done our contract. It's just not happening. So I

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<v Speaker 1>guess we'll find out. But all of this here is uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess his extension expires on Friday, so he is

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<v Speaker 1>under contract for Tuesday's show. But it is him coming

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<v Speaker 1>on television to address his future. That to me is

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<v Speaker 1>a is a makes me think he might be staying.

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<v Speaker 1>But we'll see. I'll see what he says on Tuesday. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think so too. And I'd be interested to know

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<v Speaker 1>what Candice Lorey's contract status is because if he wants

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<v Speaker 1>to take this down to basically being a coach, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think, you know, look, there's value in having Johnny

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<v Speaker 1>Gargano there. He's been wrestling since he was what's sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>years old or whatever it is. The guy has been

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<v Speaker 1>around forever, you know, he and Chompa. If they are

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<v Speaker 1>looking at them and going or Triple H again. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like Triple H is dead here. I know

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<v Speaker 1>people want him to leave and start his own company

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever nonsense people think Triple H is gonna do.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's still there, and he is too. Those are

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<v Speaker 1>two guys that he really Those two in Samoa Joe

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<v Speaker 1>he's obviously got an affinity for. And there's plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>other guys there. You're Steve Corinos. You're plenty of guys

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<v Speaker 1>where they could assimilate in nicely into the system out.

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<v Speaker 1>Could they be fired at any time like everybody else. Yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>But maybe they look at the landscape right now, they

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<v Speaker 1>see what's going on with a W and they go, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>that's gonna be there. Look a W is going nowhere.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe we go ahead and continue to ride this

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<v Speaker 1>thing out because we are happy here and my wife

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<v Speaker 1>is under contract and whatever. I just I can see

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<v Speaker 1>him not being a regular character in the n x

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<v Speaker 1>D if he does stick around, because I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how much that body has And I think that's the

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<v Speaker 1>same way with Chompa too. At some point we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to see that torch past the bron Breaker and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think he's gonna have a foot out of the company.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's going to be there too. Dude. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you guys remember this or not. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a fella. His name was Daniel Brian and his deal

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<v Speaker 1>was come and do, and he loved w w E.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was very torn about whether to stay or go,

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<v Speaker 1>and they very much wanted him to stay, and they

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<v Speaker 1>even attempted to make a deal with You Japan so

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<v Speaker 1>that Brian Danielson could go work New Japan while working

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<v Speaker 1>for w w E. I mean, they really wanted this

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<v Speaker 1>guy to stay, and he really loved working there. And

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<v Speaker 1>remember his last appearance, it was not there to address

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<v Speaker 1>his future. It was not there to say goodbye and

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. It was being choked out in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of the ring by Roman Reigns and left for dead.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's see what happens with Gargana. But yes, his

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<v Speaker 1>deal expires Friday, so let's see what he says on it. Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got a couple of other quick notes here. Jerry

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<v Speaker 1>Lawler has resigned a new deal with w w E.

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<v Speaker 1>So for what, I don't know. He's not really doing

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<v Speaker 1>commentary but shows. I guess he's doing pre shows all right,

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<v Speaker 1>Well he's resigned for more pre shows, so you can

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<v Speaker 1>look forward to that. You see, I don't watch the

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<v Speaker 1>pre shows. Maybe I should as part of my job.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's a lot of things I gotta do

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<v Speaker 1>as part of my job, and watching the pre shows

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<v Speaker 1>does not fall into those categories. Back in the moment

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<v Speaker 1>with war Games Deserver Live time, I got to show

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<v Speaker 1>my Elba is here wrestling Observer Live MICEMBERV. They also

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<v Speaker 1>Wrestling Observer dot Com. Jonah joining us after the break.

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<v Speaker 1>But the first off, you guys watched this war Game

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<v Speaker 1>show last night? I sure did, and it's ed x

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<v Speaker 1>T two point oh. So if you were watching this

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<v Speaker 1>expecting a takeover, he didn't get it. If you're expecting

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<v Speaker 1>this watching a main roster expecting to see like a

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<v Speaker 1>main roster show with n x T talent, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a mix of great wrestlers and green wrestlers, like nobody

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<v Speaker 1>in between. Maybe Joe Gacy would be actually right in between.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's what we got here. And there was good

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<v Speaker 1>and there was bad. And uh, there was ugly horrible

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<v Speaker 1>booking on this show. So the opener was the women's

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<v Speaker 1>War Games match, and as we have noted, they gave

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<v Speaker 1>the baby Faces the woman advantage. It never works. They

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<v Speaker 1>always try, it always fails, and once again it's failed.

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<v Speaker 1>So the baby Faces were Cora Jade, Eosharai, Kayleie Ray

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<v Speaker 1>and Raquel Gonzalez. The Heels were Dakota Kai, Mandy Rose,

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<v Speaker 1>Gi Dolan and j C. Jane. And of course every

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<v Speaker 1>time it was a two on one three on two

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<v Speaker 1>with the baby Faces. The fans are cheering the Heels

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<v Speaker 1>and they're chanting their names, and they're popping when they

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<v Speaker 1>come in to make the safe because they're outnumbered. Poor

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<v Speaker 1>Cora J tried to skate to her entrance and she

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<v Speaker 1>fell off her skateboard and everyone chanted, you can't skate.

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<v Speaker 1>You could not have booked a worst match for baby Faces.

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<v Speaker 1>Cora J did a dive off the cage, sold it

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<v Speaker 1>like she had injured her shoulder, and then she sold

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<v Speaker 1>it for the rest of the match. She did a

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<v Speaker 1>good job selling I. I probably would have fallen for

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<v Speaker 1>it had they not done the spot where Eo Shari

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<v Speaker 1>tried to pop it back into the socket, but she's

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<v Speaker 1>sold and sold, and then finally at the end, they

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<v Speaker 1>did the big spot where everybody does all of these

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<v Speaker 1>moves and everyone is dead and uh, Cora Jade looks

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<v Speaker 1>around and there's there's a body there, and according to announcer,

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<v Speaker 1>she's wise beyond her years to think, oh, make a cover,

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<v Speaker 1>and she makes a cover and she wins, at which

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<v Speaker 1>point she's shocked. I can't believe I won a wrestling match.

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<v Speaker 1>This was not good. This is not going to match

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<v Speaker 1>at all. I was. I was. I was pleased that

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<v Speaker 1>they actually let Cora Jade get the pin because they

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<v Speaker 1>have been talking about pushing younger people, but they screwed

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<v Speaker 1>up every time. So amazingly, I thought, man, they're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>give her everything and make her herd and have her

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<v Speaker 1>do the big comeback and then pin her. They didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>She won, so that was good. Yeah, but she gets

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<v Speaker 1>the pin in the way that they try to get

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<v Speaker 1>baby Faces over and miserably fail. Right from Jump Street

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<v Speaker 1>where you gave the baby Faces an advantage in the

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<v Speaker 1>crowd because of how they feel towards toxic attraction. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>decides to heckle her as she falls off the skateboard

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<v Speaker 1>and the one thing that I wish would go out

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<v Speaker 1>of wrestling altogether because it happens in a w and

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<v Speaker 1>everywhere else too, but it is most obnoxious in w W.

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<v Speaker 1>E the shocked face, because not only did Cora not

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<v Speaker 1>believe that she was going to be able to get

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<v Speaker 1>the pin, she couldn't believe that everybody was dead and

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<v Speaker 1>laid out around her before she slowly crawled over to

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<v Speaker 1>look around dramatically and then get the pin and then

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<v Speaker 1>have the shocked face that she got the pin. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just this is how they try to get people over.

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<v Speaker 1>This is why they don't get over, and then they go, well,

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<v Speaker 1>Cora j didn't get over. Why are people behind her

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<v Speaker 1>cut her? She's no good? Doesn't make any sense, but

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<v Speaker 1>this is what they do. Let we had the This

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<v Speaker 1>actually was a great match. If you go into the

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<v Speaker 1>match and you presume that Imperium are the baby faces

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<v Speaker 1>and Kylo Riley and von Wagner are the heels as

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<v Speaker 1>Imperium versus Riley and Wagner for the tag team titles,

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<v Speaker 1>and this match was great. And Marcel Bartel in particular

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<v Speaker 1>Fabie Nichner, I'm sorry, they both were great, but Fabie

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<v Speaker 1>and Eichner was absolutely fantastic in this match, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing all these baby face spots, these dives, these power moves.

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<v Speaker 1>The crowd's going crazy for them, and uh, finally they

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<v Speaker 1>they pinned Kyler Riley and uh afterwards, I mean, it

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<v Speaker 1>was bizarre. Kyle is dating the ring and they start

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<v Speaker 1>changing thank you Kyle, because you see these n x

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<v Speaker 1>T fans, they just presume everyone's leaving. It's like they no, ho,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't go, Kyle, please stay or whatever the chance is.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, thank you, we know you're leaving. So this

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<v Speaker 1>guy standing there and Von Wagner tries to turn on him,

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<v Speaker 1>so Kyle beats him up, and then they announced it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be a cage match on it Tuesday. So I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if Kyle is leaving or not. Okay, but

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<v Speaker 1>let's presume that he is. Okay, if he's leaving, he's

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<v Speaker 1>going to like New Japan or a DOUBLET or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>So if that's the presumption, if we're presuming that he's leaving,

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't he turn on Von Wagner And Kyle is the

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<v Speaker 1>heel and baby face Von Wagner runs him out of

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<v Speaker 1>the territory instead, Kyle is the baby face, and so

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna we're gonna give him sympathy on the way

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<v Speaker 1>out to go to another company. Yeah, but but but

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<v Speaker 1>now he's already turned on somebody who's beloved, So why not.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, Von Wagner looks like a heel, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying, And I would present him as such.

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<v Speaker 1>So to do that and then leave him in a

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<v Speaker 1>obviously not a pile of his own blood, but lee

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<v Speaker 1>of him laid out in the middle of the ring

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<v Speaker 1>in the cage, I I do get that. But then

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<v Speaker 1>it's okay, Now who you're gonna work with with von Wagner?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it going to be Cameron Grimes. You're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>to put them with somebody who can really help this

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<v Speaker 1>guy out a lot. And yeah, there's one thing you

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<v Speaker 1>can say about him is he didn't get in the

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<v Speaker 1>way in this match. And Eichner and Bartel were awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Then we had Cameron Grimes and Duke Hudson and Tim

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<v Speaker 1>and a match. First five minutes, nobody cared, just a

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<v Speaker 1>dead crowd. And then second five minutes, Cameron Grimes is

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<v Speaker 1>so good that he got the people into the match

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<v Speaker 1>and to their credit, Cameron Grimes is the baby face

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<v Speaker 1>and he was cheered as the baby face, and Duke

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<v Speaker 1>Cutson was the heel, and he was cheered as a heel.

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<v Speaker 1>And I want to make it abundantly clear, this was

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<v Speaker 1>not the crowd going into business for themselves. This was

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<v Speaker 1>the crowd reacting the way that they should have reacted

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<v Speaker 1>to every single one of these matches. Thankfully, Cameron Grimes

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<v Speaker 1>knows how to work as a baby face, and he

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<v Speaker 1>put over Duke Cutson as a heel, and so everything

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<v Speaker 1>worked out. He won. Duke Cutson try to cheat the

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<v Speaker 1>entire match. Cameron Grimes rolled him up, pulled trunks and

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<v Speaker 1>beat him. And then they teased that Duke Hudson was

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<v Speaker 1>going to knock him out and shave his head even

0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:10.120
<v Speaker 1>though he won. But Cameron Grimes did the big kick,

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<v Speaker 1>got the clippers and shaved Duke Hudson. So this was good.

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<v Speaker 1>Roderick's Strong Joe Gazzy. I hate this Joe Gazy character.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the worst. If it were my job. It's turned

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<v Speaker 1>the show off heat with me, not good heat. But

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<v Speaker 1>he's a good worker and Roderick Strong is great, and

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<v Speaker 1>so they had a very good match. It went about

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<v Speaker 1>eight minutes, and this stupid Joe Gazy character is just horrific.

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<v Speaker 1>But I thought for sure that he's gonna win, and

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<v Speaker 1>then this was gonna be like the n XT Inclusive Championship.

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<v Speaker 1>They we're gonna do that chimmick, but I said, they're

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<v Speaker 1>just going back and forth. Roderick does a flying knee,

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<v Speaker 1>hits his move, wins totally out of nowhere. So Roderick's

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<v Speaker 1>wrong retains the title. Well, I wasn't eactly out of nowhere.

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<v Speaker 1>In that what's uh whatever Powder's name is, there is

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<v Speaker 1>his bodyguard or whatever. Land her Land threatened uh Ivy

0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Nile and picked her up, and he of course put

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<v Speaker 1>her down, so that may lead towards would assume something,

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<v Speaker 1>probably turning them against the people that he's been trying

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<v Speaker 1>to support this whole time. So stupid. Then we had

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<v Speaker 1>the main event, which was fascinating. We had you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you always they always talked about we want to get

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<v Speaker 1>young guys over, we know we need more young people. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we had the team two point oh guys against the uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the veterans and won't call him the old guys, but

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<v Speaker 1>the veterans and the veterans are the baby Faces and

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<v Speaker 1>the new guys. We want to get over our the

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<v Speaker 1>heels and uh, but it's weird because they put l

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<v Speaker 1>A Night on the baby Face team because he's an

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<v Speaker 1>old guy, and they put bron Breaker on the heel team,

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<v Speaker 1>so they did the man advantage thing right, But nobody

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<v Speaker 1>it to Boo braun Breaker and he's in there running

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<v Speaker 1>wild and their cheering this guy. And the match was good.

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<v Speaker 1>I would not call it great because it went forty minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>which was a good ten minutes too long. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you do you know, twenty minutes of the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the War Games or whatever, and then it goes to

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<v Speaker 1>the match beyond. It's like everyone should be half dead

0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:24.119
<v Speaker 1>and then you just boom, boom boom, go to the finish.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the match Beyond begins and everyone just now it's

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden. Fine, they square off and then

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<v Speaker 1>start a new match and they go twenty minutes. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's way too long for me. But the finish was good,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was Tamasa Champa was going for his finish

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<v Speaker 1>and he gets speared and mid moved by braun Breaker.

0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:45.399
<v Speaker 1>Broun Breaker hits him with the Goldberg pressing of the

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<v Speaker 1>power slam and pins him, So the young guys won.

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<v Speaker 1>Braun Breaker, who's obviously the biggest star of the n

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<v Speaker 1>x T two point oh crew, he pinned Tomasa Chompa,

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<v Speaker 1>so he's probably on his way to another championship match,

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<v Speaker 1>which presumably he'll win. But the match was good. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna take anything away. Everyone worked hard. It just

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<v Speaker 1>did not need to be forty minutes. I don't fault

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<v Speaker 1>any of the workers here on this show. I fault

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<v Speaker 1>whoever put these matches together in terms of trying to

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<v Speaker 1>structure a competent match. Three of them, four of them actually,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of them was my favorite match on the show,

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<v Speaker 1>the Imperium Kylo Relevon Wagner match, And that one I

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<v Speaker 1>can at least sort of understand, because yes, Imperium were

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<v Speaker 1>pushing the baby faces, but if Kyle's leaving, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think they want him massively cheered and von Wagner was

0:22:36.320 --> 0:22:40.000
<v Speaker 1>gonna turn so whatever. But the other three no excuse.

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<v Speaker 1>With the World Games matches, there's just so much superfluous

0:22:43.680 --> 0:22:47.080
<v Speaker 1>garbage that's in them because of visuals that we need

0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:50.800
<v Speaker 1>for production, and it takes away from it. Look, you've

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<v Speaker 1>got to have more spots because you can't have blood

0:22:53.600 --> 0:22:56.480
<v Speaker 1>and you don't want to accident the violence, even though

0:22:56.520 --> 0:22:58.280
<v Speaker 1>you're you're supposed to be in word games in the

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<v Speaker 1>match beyond. So I I accept that, but when there's

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<v Speaker 1>so much, there's too many face offs, there's too many

0:23:05.080 --> 0:23:09.040
<v Speaker 1>variations of face offs, there's just too much nonsense, and

0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:12.199
<v Speaker 1>it drags it out way, way too much. So I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. There was a a whole lot I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>like about this. One thing I can say to Peacock,

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<v Speaker 1>I pay four because I already get it for free

0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:23.400
<v Speaker 1>anyway with Exfinity, good Lord. The vignettes they played during

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<v Speaker 1>them made me want to just put the thing altogether

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<v Speaker 1>back in a moment with Jonah here on Wrestling Observer Live.

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<v Speaker 1>Back in the show, Brian elberre Is here Wrestling Observer Live,

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Sumbur, bv Elso Wrestling Observer dot Com. Very happy

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<v Speaker 1>today to be joined by Jonah the former Bronzon read

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<v Speaker 1>Jonah Rock, Jonah, how are you doing here today? Do

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<v Speaker 1>very well? Thanks for having me man. Am I excited

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to you today? Do you know what I

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<v Speaker 1>just watched, Jonah? What did you watch? I watched you

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<v Speaker 1>kill poor Lucas Riley I did. I watched this match

0:24:10.119 --> 0:24:13.000
<v Speaker 1>and I thought to myself, who is a more horrible person?

0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:16.520
<v Speaker 1>Is it Jonah or is it Ghetto or Rocky or

0:24:16.520 --> 0:24:20.160
<v Speaker 1>whoever put this match together? This poor guy, Holy smokes,

0:24:21.440 --> 0:24:24.199
<v Speaker 1>it's promoter. They I don't want to put me in

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<v Speaker 1>the ring with whoever. It's up to them who they

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<v Speaker 1>want to see died. Well, dude, this guy died. If

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<v Speaker 1>you guys have not seen it, it's on the UH,

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<v Speaker 1>it's on the New Japan Strong show that's on right

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<v Speaker 1>now in g p W world dot com and uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I for my whole life, Jonah have been a sucker

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<v Speaker 1>for the giant dude versus the little skinny geek in

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<v Speaker 1>a squash match. And when I saw you two in

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<v Speaker 1>the ring, I was like, oh man, this is gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be one for the ages and uh and it was

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<v Speaker 1>a fabulous squash match. Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I am a big fan of When the Half as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've had my hands on quite the few Guinea

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<v Speaker 1>geeks and if they get in my leg and you'll

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<v Speaker 1>see some more stuff like that. Well, you are certainly

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<v Speaker 1>making your presence felt in New Japan Strong. You had

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<v Speaker 1>a it feels like a different lifetime ago now in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and eighteen, when New Japan went to Australia,

0:25:21.280 --> 0:25:24.000
<v Speaker 1>you had your chance to mix it up a little

0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:27.320
<v Speaker 1>bit there against the Bullet Club. But now you enter

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<v Speaker 1>into New Japan Strong, laid waste to Juice, Robinson killed

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<v Speaker 1>this man. How does it feel to be involved in

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<v Speaker 1>New Japan right now? And how does it feel to

0:25:36.520 --> 0:25:41.920
<v Speaker 1>have your new freedom on the wrestling landscape. It feels great,

0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:47.040
<v Speaker 1>you know. Um. As soon as I was able to

0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:51.679
<v Speaker 1>wrestle somewhere else after my release, there was only really

0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:54.479
<v Speaker 1>New Japan par wrestling that I really had in the

0:25:54.480 --> 0:25:57.320
<v Speaker 1>forefront of where I wanted to go um, And I

0:25:57.440 --> 0:26:00.160
<v Speaker 1>was very happy that it all came together. And I'm

0:26:00.160 --> 0:26:03.360
<v Speaker 1>doing stuff with New Japan Strong, and when the world permits,

0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:06.440
<v Speaker 1>I'll be over in Japan ready to kill some people

0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:09.600
<v Speaker 1>over there as well. You know. I I Am not

0:26:09.640 --> 0:26:11.639
<v Speaker 1>just saying this because you're on the air, but I

0:26:11.720 --> 0:26:14.560
<v Speaker 1>talked about this a while ago when we when it happened.

0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:17.520
<v Speaker 1>But when they when that list of names came out

0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:20.480
<v Speaker 1>that had been released from n X Team, I was like,

0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:25.199
<v Speaker 1>I was shocked, Like of all names. Your your release

0:26:25.320 --> 0:26:28.000
<v Speaker 1>was like the biggest shock to me. And you know,

0:26:28.040 --> 0:26:30.359
<v Speaker 1>I was there in San Jose when you when you

0:26:30.480 --> 0:26:34.520
<v Speaker 1>made your debut a couple of weeks ago, and then

0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:37.639
<v Speaker 1>I watched the match on Strong here and like in

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<v Speaker 1>every single case, I was just like I was a gas,

0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:42.920
<v Speaker 1>like who are you thinking getting rid of this guy?

0:26:43.560 --> 0:26:45.360
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I I don't know what they think.

0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:47.840
<v Speaker 1>I've been trying to figure it out for likes, but

0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:50.600
<v Speaker 1>I was I was very happy to see you to

0:26:50.720 --> 0:26:53.639
<v Speaker 1>make that debut. And as as someone who's working for

0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:55.399
<v Speaker 1>New Japan, I mean it seems like you would have

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<v Speaker 1>the opportunity to do Impact and and some other places

0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:03.120
<v Speaker 1>as well. Yes, yeah, yes, um, I have an agreement

0:27:03.119 --> 0:27:06.040
<v Speaker 1>with New Japan. But also it is non exclusive, so

0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:08.720
<v Speaker 1>that's what's able me to open up the door to

0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:11.600
<v Speaker 1>Impact Wrestling as well, and I'm gonna hopefully be doing

0:27:11.640 --> 0:27:14.600
<v Speaker 1>more stuff with them. I made quite you know, PUN

0:27:14.680 --> 0:27:19.359
<v Speaker 1>intended the impact when I attacked Josh Alexander, and I

0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:22.000
<v Speaker 1>want to continue to do that wherever I go. You know,

0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:24.920
<v Speaker 1>I think what you were saying it was a very

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<v Speaker 1>big head scratcher when I was let go. I too,

0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:32.480
<v Speaker 1>the way I feel I had not even peaked in

0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:35.640
<v Speaker 1>my w w E career, nowhere near it. So now

0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:38.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to peek and put on these performances that

0:27:38.240 --> 0:27:41.480
<v Speaker 1>people are going to remember elsewhere. It's not even not

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:44.240
<v Speaker 1>just you know, not peaking yet, but like you had

0:27:44.280 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 1>been there for a while and they kind of sort

0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:48.840
<v Speaker 1>of did whatever for a while, but it was it

0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:52.119
<v Speaker 1>was like very underutilized, and then all of a sudden

0:27:52.160 --> 0:27:54.040
<v Speaker 1>they decided that they were going to do something with you,

0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:59.440
<v Speaker 1>and they did. And then it was like immediately after

0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:01.600
<v Speaker 1>they had start did this, they released you. And that

0:28:01.600 --> 0:28:03.800
<v Speaker 1>that I think was the most shocking part to me,

0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:05.760
<v Speaker 1>because it wasn't like you would hit a peek and

0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:08.400
<v Speaker 1>then gone down. It's like it was like you had

0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:14.960
<v Speaker 1>just gotten to to arise towards where you could have been. Yeah,

0:28:15.040 --> 0:28:17.720
<v Speaker 1>I think I was such a big shock to so

0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:20.920
<v Speaker 1>many people because and this is this is not any

0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:23.560
<v Speaker 1>ill will towards anyone else that has been released. But

0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:26.440
<v Speaker 1>sometimes people do sit on the shelf for a year

0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:29.840
<v Speaker 1>or even longer and you don't see much of them,

0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:33.400
<v Speaker 1>and you can almost justify not that I want anyone

0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:36.040
<v Speaker 1>to lose money or lose their job, and you can

0:28:36.119 --> 0:28:41.000
<v Speaker 1>justify it to a degree. Whereas with me, I was

0:28:41.040 --> 0:28:44.560
<v Speaker 1>always not held back, but creative was always the thing

0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:48.400
<v Speaker 1>that stop me from getting on a wrong and Hunter

0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:51.280
<v Speaker 1>was always actually in my corner and wanted me to

0:28:51.320 --> 0:28:54.480
<v Speaker 1>be utilized, and it was always creative. Um, you know,

0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:56.400
<v Speaker 1>a week after week, we're trying to write you into

0:28:56.480 --> 0:28:59.239
<v Speaker 1>this or write you into that. And finally I went

0:28:59.320 --> 0:29:02.200
<v Speaker 1>Hunt to put his done. I started getting rolling. I

0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:05.120
<v Speaker 1>became North American Champion. And yeah, it seems like in

0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:09.800
<v Speaker 1>an instant everything changed, and the direction that I got

0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:13.360
<v Speaker 1>from Hunter and Sean, that direction was completely out of

0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:15.680
<v Speaker 1>the window. And things have changed there now, and I

0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:19.200
<v Speaker 1>guess they thought I didn't fit in. Well. Obviously, we

0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:21.120
<v Speaker 1>don't want to stay too much on the topic of

0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:24.240
<v Speaker 1>of w w E and n XT, but he talked

0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:26.640
<v Speaker 1>about Hunter being in your corner. A lot of people

0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:29.360
<v Speaker 1>just think he's got a little you know, wand and

0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:31.880
<v Speaker 1>he just waves it everywhere. And things have gone every

0:29:32.040 --> 0:29:35.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, his way up until you know this n

0:29:35.680 --> 0:29:37.880
<v Speaker 1>x T two point oh thing has happened here. But

0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:40.360
<v Speaker 1>what are some of the headaches that he would try

0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:42.480
<v Speaker 1>to run into. Is he was trying to get creative

0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:44.680
<v Speaker 1>for you and and what were some of the headaches

0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:46.320
<v Speaker 1>down there that you had to deal with it maybe

0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:51.480
<v Speaker 1>we don't know about I think it comes down to, um,

0:29:51.640 --> 0:29:53.880
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot going on, you know what I mean.

0:29:53.960 --> 0:30:00.000
<v Speaker 1>You have riders trying to write different people into different spots, um.

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:01.720
<v Speaker 1>And then at the same time, with a place like that,

0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:05.200
<v Speaker 1>you always have new talent coming in. Some people swap

0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:08.080
<v Speaker 1>out things, exchange, some people go to raw, some people

0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 1>go to SmackDown. So there's always something happening. And it

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:13.520
<v Speaker 1>seemed like week to week, not that I was forgotten about,

0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:16.680
<v Speaker 1>but it was always like next week, next week, almost

0:30:16.720 --> 0:30:18.840
<v Speaker 1>where like they wanted to keep me strong, so they

0:30:18.840 --> 0:30:21.720
<v Speaker 1>didn't want me to to look like I was just

0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:23.680
<v Speaker 1>a you know, one of the other run of the

0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:26.640
<v Speaker 1>mill guys there. Um. But they could have obviously got

0:30:26.640 --> 0:30:29.360
<v Speaker 1>on the ball quicker. And I know that from speaking

0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:31.960
<v Speaker 1>with Hunter, he was frustrated that the writers didn't do that.

0:30:32.400 --> 0:30:34.960
<v Speaker 1>But you have riders, you didn't have Hunter and shown

0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:38.120
<v Speaker 1>to go through, you didn't have your match producers. It's

0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:40.840
<v Speaker 1>it's a lot of chefs in the kitchen. I guess.

0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you, is it like a Saturday Night

0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:46.080
<v Speaker 1>Live type of comedian sort of thing where you would

0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:48.920
<v Speaker 1>it be in your favor to curry a favor with

0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:54.160
<v Speaker 1>a writer or two. Is that something that happens there

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:56.840
<v Speaker 1>or something that maybe you didn't do that maybe could

0:30:56.840 --> 0:31:00.440
<v Speaker 1>have helped you along, maybe to get more creative flowing

0:31:00.480 --> 0:31:03.920
<v Speaker 1>and get ideas for you. Yeah. I feel like when

0:31:03.960 --> 0:31:05.760
<v Speaker 1>I first was there, it was a different head writer.

0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:09.200
<v Speaker 1>He then then ended up leaving, and when the new

0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:12.080
<v Speaker 1>team sort of came forward, that's when I was more utilized.

0:31:12.400 --> 0:31:16.200
<v Speaker 1>I feel like some people body up to riders or

0:31:16.240 --> 0:31:18.160
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that, and of course you want to be

0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 1>close to these people because you're working with them creatively,

0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:24.000
<v Speaker 1>and the type of performer that I am, I always

0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:26.920
<v Speaker 1>want to put in my import I can't just copy

0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:29.000
<v Speaker 1>and cut and paste what I do. I like to

0:31:29.080 --> 0:31:33.480
<v Speaker 1>be creative. Um, So it does pay people's best interesting

0:31:33.960 --> 0:31:36.520
<v Speaker 1>to get on with these people. But I found things

0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:40.480
<v Speaker 1>started working best for me once myself and Hunter, and

0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:43.200
<v Speaker 1>I had a great relationship with Sean as well. Once

0:31:43.240 --> 0:31:45.760
<v Speaker 1>I was on board with those guys like that was

0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:49.320
<v Speaker 1>where things took off. So prior to going to w

0:31:49.320 --> 0:31:51.320
<v Speaker 1>w E, I mean, you worked all over the place

0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:56.520
<v Speaker 1>for over a decade and never in New Japan, and

0:31:56.920 --> 0:31:59.880
<v Speaker 1>then after being released like the first thing you do

0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:04.240
<v Speaker 1>as you work for New Japan. So what what prevented

0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:09.560
<v Speaker 1>you from going to New Japan prior what changed after

0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:12.800
<v Speaker 1>your your release? Was there? Was there anything? And how

0:32:12.800 --> 0:32:16.520
<v Speaker 1>long have you been a fan, like regularly watching their shows? Yeah,

0:32:16.560 --> 0:32:19.720
<v Speaker 1>I've been a fan of New Japan Pro Wrestling h

0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:22.920
<v Speaker 1>since I was a teenager, probably around thirteen years old.

0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:25.720
<v Speaker 1>Was the first time I saw New Japan Pro Wrestling

0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:28.640
<v Speaker 1>and it was Utian Liger and and that made me

0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:32.040
<v Speaker 1>a fan instantly. Um. But I was also a huge

0:32:32.040 --> 0:32:34.920
<v Speaker 1>fan of a company called Pro Wresting Noah and that's

0:32:34.960 --> 0:32:38.080
<v Speaker 1>sort of where I got my first taste of Japanese

0:32:38.080 --> 0:32:40.920
<v Speaker 1>wrestling as an actual pro wrestler. So I wrestled in

0:32:40.920 --> 0:32:43.920
<v Speaker 1>Australia for maybe five or six years before I actually

0:32:43.920 --> 0:32:46.920
<v Speaker 1>got a contract with Pro Wresting Noah. UM, and I

0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:50.120
<v Speaker 1>worked with them in two thousand, thirteen, fourteen and fifteen,

0:32:50.760 --> 0:32:54.760
<v Speaker 1>so I had my I'm a very loyal pro wrestler,

0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:57.120
<v Speaker 1>so where I am, I'm very loyal to that company,

0:32:57.360 --> 0:32:59.600
<v Speaker 1>same as I just was with n x T. I

0:32:59.760 --> 0:33:02.640
<v Speaker 1>was no as well. I didn't want to I obviously

0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:04.560
<v Speaker 1>would love to work with New Japan, but I wanted

0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:08.120
<v Speaker 1>to keep my interest there. Then obviously time goes on.

0:33:08.200 --> 0:33:11.240
<v Speaker 1>I get signed to w W, E, I now get

0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:13.600
<v Speaker 1>released from w W and I feel like it's the

0:33:13.680 --> 0:33:17.320
<v Speaker 1>right time for me as the top dog to go

0:33:17.400 --> 0:33:21.680
<v Speaker 1>into New Japan Pro wrestling. Now, you worked, I don't

0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:24.520
<v Speaker 1>want to say exclusively in Australia, although maybe it was,

0:33:24.640 --> 0:33:26.600
<v Speaker 1>but you were you were mostly in Australia for the

0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:29.920
<v Speaker 1>first five or six years of your career, and you know,

0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:32.320
<v Speaker 1>it's very hard to be a regular in any of

0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:36.280
<v Speaker 1>the major promotions if you're living in Australia so very much.

0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:39.320
<v Speaker 1>When you first started, I mean, was it always your

0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:41.800
<v Speaker 1>goal to be a full time pro wrestler, or for

0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:44.000
<v Speaker 1>the first few years, was it kind of well, you know,

0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:46.240
<v Speaker 1>this is fun, but I like my job or whatever.

0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:50.640
<v Speaker 1>How would you classify your first few years. My goal

0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:53.240
<v Speaker 1>was always to be a full time pro wrestler. There

0:33:53.320 --> 0:33:55.840
<v Speaker 1>was nothing else I ever wanted to do in life.

0:33:55.840 --> 0:33:58.320
<v Speaker 1>You know, since since I was a little kid, my

0:33:58.440 --> 0:34:02.280
<v Speaker 1>earliest memories of life are actually watching WrestleMania. So I've

0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:05.760
<v Speaker 1>always wanted to be a professional wrestler. And when I

0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:08.480
<v Speaker 1>first started in Australia two thousand and seven, the scene

0:34:08.560 --> 0:34:11.759
<v Speaker 1>wasn't something that you could make a living off of.

0:34:11.880 --> 0:34:13.960
<v Speaker 1>You could get paid here and there, but you were

0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:17.319
<v Speaker 1>never going to make a living. So I wanted to

0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:19.680
<v Speaker 1>try and do that, and I saw Japan as the

0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:23.040
<v Speaker 1>best avenue because it's probably the closest um. No one

0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:25.520
<v Speaker 1>was really going to fly Sharlan wrestlers from one side

0:34:25.560 --> 0:34:28.279
<v Speaker 1>of the world all the way to America to to

0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:31.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, have one shot or a couple of shots

0:34:31.120 --> 0:34:33.360
<v Speaker 1>a weekend. It just wasn't viable for people, and I

0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:36.000
<v Speaker 1>understood that. So that's how I got my contracts in

0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:38.520
<v Speaker 1>Japan and I started working from there, and then years

0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 1>later actually did have promoters in p w G that

0:34:41.760 --> 0:34:44.200
<v Speaker 1>would fly me all the way from Australia to l A.

0:34:45.800 --> 0:34:50.120
<v Speaker 1>What was that first wrestle Mania You remember that a curiosity.

0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:51.799
<v Speaker 1>You're a young man, so I need to hear this.

0:34:52.960 --> 0:34:55.040
<v Speaker 1>I am a young man, but it was WrestleMania too

0:34:56.120 --> 0:34:58.279
<v Speaker 1>whole Cooken in King Kong, Bundy in the Cage. For

0:34:58.360 --> 0:35:01.080
<v Speaker 1>some reason, as a kid like I used to have

0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:04.239
<v Speaker 1>all these tapes because my uncle was a huge wrestling fan,

0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:06.640
<v Speaker 1>so he would borrow tapes from the bough Buster because

0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:09.719
<v Speaker 1>you were when that match happened. That happened before you

0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:13.200
<v Speaker 1>were on the earth. Oh yeah, it did. But that's

0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:15.799
<v Speaker 1>my earlier memories of sticking that tape in. And I

0:35:15.840 --> 0:35:18.000
<v Speaker 1>don't know if it was the Blue Cage or something

0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:21.560
<v Speaker 1>about maybe Hogan's ribs being taped up, but I remember

0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:23.880
<v Speaker 1>that vividly. Well, man, if you if you think about

0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:26.839
<v Speaker 1>that match, I mean that that your whole career has

0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:29.840
<v Speaker 1>been has been the whole cogn in King Kong Bundy. Yeah,

0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:33.640
<v Speaker 1>it has two is agree? Yeah, I like to think

0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:35.719
<v Speaker 1>that I am in the same vein of the King

0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:40.560
<v Speaker 1>Kong Bundy or Damn Bigelow. So, so when did you

0:35:40.640 --> 0:35:44.000
<v Speaker 1>first start getting tapes of of non w w E programming?

0:35:44.000 --> 0:35:45.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean, were you a w w E guy up

0:35:45.800 --> 0:35:48.480
<v Speaker 1>until mid nineties or when did you discover there was

0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:52.680
<v Speaker 1>other stuff out there? Yeah? I was a huge w

0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:56.040
<v Speaker 1>W guy until I want to stay around. Is when

0:35:56.040 --> 0:35:59.080
<v Speaker 1>I first discovered WCW as as a kid, I would

0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:01.440
<v Speaker 1>have only been like eight years old, but then I

0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:04.040
<v Speaker 1>was a big wh W and w w E fan

0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:08.680
<v Speaker 1>up until I was thirteen. Was the first time my

0:36:08.800 --> 0:36:11.880
<v Speaker 1>friend showed me a clip. I don't remember what website

0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:13.520
<v Speaker 1>or where it came from, but it was a highlight

0:36:13.600 --> 0:36:15.880
<v Speaker 1>video of one of the first Ring of Honor shows

0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:19.200
<v Speaker 1>and I remember seeing that and being like, what is this?

0:36:20.600 --> 0:36:24.120
<v Speaker 1>And from there we found clips of then Japanese wrestling

0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:28.080
<v Speaker 1>stuff like Jush and lager Um, FM, w Hey Booster

0:36:28.239 --> 0:36:31.200
<v Speaker 1>and one of my favorite wrestlers of all time, Kender Kabashi,

0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:36.640
<v Speaker 1>and that completely changed the way that I you professional wrestling,

0:36:36.640 --> 0:36:39.880
<v Speaker 1>and I became a huge wrestling note throughout my teenage years.

0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Well stand by and we had to a break back

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<v Speaker 1>in a moment more Wrestling Observer Live back in the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Elvare is here Wrestling Observer Live. Mike simper Viv

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<v Speaker 1>also of Wrestling Observer dot com. Jonah is joining us here.

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<v Speaker 1>All of the information I'm actually gonna retweet it right now.

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<v Speaker 1>You can check out at Brian Alvarez or of course, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get some plugs in here for for Jonah all

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<v Speaker 1>of his social media as well. Yeah, you can follow

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<v Speaker 1>me at Jonah is here on Twitter, and Instagram the

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<v Speaker 1>best places to find everything that is Jona, and you

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<v Speaker 1>will be able to find stuff like merchandise and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>on there as well. Hopefully at some point down the

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<v Speaker 1>road we'll be able to check you out here and

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<v Speaker 1>uh hopefully someday actually in Japan once this place opens

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<v Speaker 1>up again. Not sure when that's gonna be, but at

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<v Speaker 1>some point that's what I want. I want to be

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<v Speaker 1>the future champion in New Japan. I want to be

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<v Speaker 1>in the same vein as the three hundred pound plus

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<v Speaker 1>guys like Vada, Scott Norton and Bob Sap. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>down that line. I'm that modern day beast very quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think about a g one? I'd love

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<v Speaker 1>to do it. That's something that's on my bucket list

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<v Speaker 1>and hopefully I get that ticked off in two Well, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to thank you so much for doing the

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<v Speaker 1>show today and best of luck with everything is noted

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<v Speaker 1>the shows coming up on Thursday. You can also check

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<v Speaker 1>out nupan Strong on n j p W world dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>All of the New Japan shows go up there. They've

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<v Speaker 1>got tons of archives if you want to see the

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<v Speaker 1>match we were talking about earlier. N j p W

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<v Speaker 1>Strong or New jpan Strong and n jpu w World

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<v Speaker 1>dot com so check it out and Jonah thanks so

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<v Speaker 1>much and hopefully talk to again soon. Thanks for having

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<v Speaker 1>me and we're out of time. Everybody, thanks for listening.

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