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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: tuning in. Uh you know sometimes you started a question,

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Speaker 1: what's the crappiest job you ever had? So I'm I'm Ben.

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Speaker 1: We've got our super producer, Casey Pagram here on the

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Speaker 1: digital ones and twos, and we have our returning guest host,

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland, a k a. The Quister, but not the

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Speaker 1: Quister today, not even gonna do the fake out that

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Speaker 1: we did for the last episode. Again, thank you, absolutely Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the crappy jobs, man, I'm so glad you thought of

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Speaker 1: me when this. When this topic came around, you thought,

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Speaker 1: who can talk about taking the poop away? I know

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Speaker 1: it's Jonathan's drinkling those stuff. Yeah yeah, yeah, we're talking

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Speaker 1: about uh what we what is was was referred to

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Speaker 1: as a euphemism about night soil. Yes, And I gotta

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Speaker 1: tell you, I had never heard the phrase night soil

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Speaker 1: about agriculture and farming techniques and traditional techniques which involved

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Speaker 1: using what people called night soil. It took me a

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Speaker 1: second because of the language barrier to figure out that

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Speaker 1: was poop. Yeah. Yeah, So so this is interesting. This

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Speaker 1: is a problem that arose largely because of urbanization, right,

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Speaker 1: So you can think of this as something that was

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Speaker 1: linked to really big events in the world, like the

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Speaker 1: Industrial Revolution, where you suddenly had the capacity for people

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Speaker 1: urban environments. But that comes with it its own set

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Speaker 1: of challenges. You know, any humans are social animals, but

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Speaker 1: you get enough of us together and sometimes stuff starts

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Speaker 1: to pile up like poop, especially before you invent things

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Speaker 1: like sewers, right, right, and sanitation is a huge issue.

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Speaker 1: It has always been a huge issue through this species,

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Speaker 1: especially as people start to urbanize. And when we say urbanized,

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Speaker 1: yes we hit a fever pitch in the Industrial Revolution,

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Speaker 1: but it's been leading up for a while before that,

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Speaker 1: and it was already becoming an issue because again this

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Speaker 1: be a water closet or you know, essentially a poop

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Speaker 1: hole is what it really. But it meant that the

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Speaker 1: actual tides of the ocean would take waste away. But

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Speaker 1: that can by nature take away waste. That waste accumulates

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Speaker 1: and you have to figure out what do you do

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Speaker 1: with it? And um, you know it. It is a

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Speaker 1: a problem no one wants to deal with. You want

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Speaker 1: to talk about crap jobs. This This is a crap job,

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Speaker 1: both literally and figuratively. Yeah, yeah, honestly it's also it's

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Speaker 1: I made my fortunate Poop is not a great Yeah,

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Speaker 1: starting conversation for the entrepreneur shark take. Maybe it's my

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Speaker 1: hang up. I don't want I don't want to give

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Speaker 1: your hang up. It's called night soil because everyone demanded

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Speaker 1: that they do their work at night, right exactly. So

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Speaker 1: we you know, we said poop was always a problem,

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Speaker 1: big issue, and Jonathan, you're absolutely correct that there were

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Speaker 1: some outliers in the world of toilet technology. Right, if

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Speaker 1: you might even have a private bathroom that sort of flushes.

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Speaker 1: where the first flushing toilet was invented, because a lot

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Speaker 1: Because this is perhaps the most ridiculous part of this story,

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Speaker 1: and it's it's ridiculous because this hang up that polite

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Speaker 1: And we come up with all these euphemisms for it,

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Speaker 1: the way, yea man, turn off the dark? Yeah, just

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Speaker 1: they would put the dirt back on top, and then

428
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: you would have to lay sod down because everything was

429
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 1: torn up. So this is still something that happens just

430
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: on a here in the United States. It still happens,

431
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: but it's just on a different like it's a different process, right,

432
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: but it's the same basic idea is that you eventually

433
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: do have to have that service. I mean, there's nowhere

434
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: else for the waist to go inside the septic tank

435
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 1: except for it to the tank to get over overfilled

436
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: and then you that's a terrible problem you don't want

437
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: to have, trust me. Yeah, well I trust you on

438
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,239
Speaker 1: that one. Yeah, I will take your words. Growing up

439
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: in World Georgia, saw it happened. Not not great, not great.

440
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: And it's weird too when you think about it, because

441
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: it is the best solution unless you use it for farming,

442
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 1: but that still has health concerns. Oh yeah, absolutely, And

443
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: you can't just like it's not like you can just

444
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: grab buckets of the stuff just dump it on the

445
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,360
Speaker 1: ground and walk away. I mean that's not typically we're

446
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 1: doing some processing too. Yeah, that's my bad. How many

447
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: times do I have to apologize everybody in there every

448
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: road trip, every road trip, as we're going past a

449
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 1: farm bend's like, hang on, I need to help out

450
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: the little guy, and it just jumps out and drops troal.

451
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: It is embarrassing, you know, it's um My heart's in

452
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: the right place. Yeah, your heart is other organs. I'm

453
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: getting real concerned about. So there is a fascinating technological

454
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,959
Speaker 1: aspect to this, and I love seeing this kind of innovation.

455
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: One thing that we tend to do very well and

456
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: humans is when we when we see a good idea,

457
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: we can weirdly get on board with it, like we're

458
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: we're actually we're terrible at a lot of stuff, but

459
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 1: we're not that bad at admitting in there's a superior technology.

460
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: And that's why. Uh, just just a few years after

461
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: they've or a few decades after they've implemented sewers, Chicago

462
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: and New York have what five miles of sewers that Chicago,

463
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: eighty four from New York, and then other cities joined

464
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 1: the mix, Philadelphia and so on. With these sewers, we

465
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: we see that night men night soil men are less

466
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: and less in demand, but the job doesn't immediately disappear

467
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: because there are still a lot of old buildings at

468
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: the time that aren't on the sewage system. Right. Yeah,

469
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: you still had flush toilets that would empty out into

470
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: a sesspit. Guardi guardi lu guardy lou. Yeah, well, you know,

471
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: and and it COEs back to also the garter robe,

472
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: and you know the garter robe and a castle that

473
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: was that was poop chamber. Essentially, you would position it

474
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: so that you had a hole in a tower that

475
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: was typically would drop down just to the outside of

476
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: the gates or outside the walls of the building you

477
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: were in. So when you go into your business, you're

478
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: pooping out a window. Essentially, this is a window that's

479
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: that's built into a seat goes down the tower. Uh,

480
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: they would hang clothes in the garter robe because turned

481
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: out moths didn't want to go in where the poop

482
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: smell was. So if you wanted to hang your fine

483
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: things in the poop room, you didn't have to worry

484
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: about them getting eaten up by moths. Just maybe an odor, Yeah,

485
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: there might be a bit of an odor. But everyone's

486
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: stunk back then. Nobody. Nobody was really pleasantly fragrant back

487
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: in those days. And I think the concept of taking

488
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: a bath was ritualized, like it was something you would

489
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: do before you were nighted. Yeah, yeah, I mean you

490
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: know who had time for that? Like, you know, you

491
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: were you're working all day, unless if you were super noble,

492
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: you might not be working working. You'd be hunting or something,

493
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: but you'd be working all day and then nighttime came

494
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: and it was too dark to do anything else. Yeah,

495
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: it's like, it's not like we we always try to

496
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: hit this when when we're in these sorts of conversations.

497
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: It's not like the people who existed hundreds or thousands

498
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: of years ago were fundamentally different. They weren't dumb. No,

499
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: they weren't like, you know what's awesome, smelling like garbage.

500
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: They had other things that they had to do. Yeah,

501
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,239
Speaker 1: you had a list of priorities, and hygiene was not

502
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,959
Speaker 1: high among them. And yeah, I mean you're again like

503
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: I started this out by talking about the Industrial Revolution

504
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: and how that led to an unprecedented era of urbanization.

505
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: Like urbanization had already been a thing, but that really

506
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: ramped up during the Industrial Revolution era. Well, the Industrial

507
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: Revolution also is what would lead to us being able

508
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: to have stuff like spare time. Fair time wasn't a

509
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: thing really before the Industrial Revolution. You were working from

510
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: sunrise to sunset just so that you could stay alive, right,

511
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: so like a dissipated aristocrat. But you were still also

512
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: very busy because you had to do a bunch of

513
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: social obligations or or you yeah, you might be you

514
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,959
Speaker 1: might be doing all sorts of different things. So it

515
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: wasn't until we had a point where we had developed

516
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: machinery and systems to offload a lot of work for

517
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: us to actually have the time to devote to things

518
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: where we suddenly realized, Hey, these other things that are

519
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: important but weren't important enough to make our top priorities.

520
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: Now we can attend to those. And that's where we

521
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: started seeing revolutions and things like sanitation and uh. And

522
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: we started to see things like the sciences flourish and

523
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: medicine flourish, largely because a lot of that time had

524
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: been freed up so people could pursue these things. So

525
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: you know, it's again like like you say, ben, Uh,

526
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: the people in the past, we don't wish to cast

527
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: them in a in that light of look at how

528
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: how enlightened we are and how primitive they are. Yeah, yeah,

529
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: because there are a lot of parallels we can still

530
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: draw today and say, honestly, we're still pretty much the

531
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: same as human beings. It's just we have access to

532
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: technologies that they didn't. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's way

533
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: to sum it up. We we also have to point out,

534
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: by the way, there is a bit of a's a

535
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: mystery of foot, a bit of speculation about the danger

536
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: of night soil. Yeah yeah, yeah, night soil may have

537
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: been what killed President William Henry Harrison jere Belly Harry, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

538
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: his friends. Washington d C, as you know, is built

539
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: on a swamp, and back in the day, one of

540
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: the city's dumping grounds for waste cesspool areas was this

541
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: yield that was near the White House. And so much

542
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: commentary is coming to mind right now, I know, man,

543
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: and uh, some historians thinking it might have played a

544
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: role in President Harrison's death, in one that perhaps the

545
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: water that he was accessing was contaminated and that that

546
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: may have led to him growing ill as a result,

547
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: or at least exacerbating something that was already a problem. Yeah,

548
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: that's that's not great. It's I mean, you definitely can

549
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: see where where phrases like drain the swamp really come

550
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,959
Speaker 1: into play, right Yeah, well, Washing d C is again

551
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: built on the swamp. Yeah, it literally is. It's it's

552
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: not figurative, it's literal. It's it's such a weird thing. Now,

553
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: there is maybe a pattern to other presidents. James K.

554
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: Polk and Zachary Taylor also had severe gastro into ritis

555
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: during their time at the White House. So you can

556
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: see where historians would argue that maybe maybe the lack

557
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: of sanitation played a role there. But this is such

558
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: a bizarre story to me. Okay, I gotta tell you, man,

559
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: you know I've been I'm in and out of the

560
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: different cities and countries pretty frequently, and you travel pretty frequently,

561
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: more so than I would like to, yes, more so

562
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: that you like um travel pretty frequently. And when we

563
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:34,439
Speaker 1: were looking into today's episode, I started thinking about all

564
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 1: the weird toilets seen around the world, especially in places

565
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: older than the US. You know, the squat toilet is

566
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: the standard, right, it's the bog standard standard. And uh,

567
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: on the other extreme, a lot of the toilets in

568
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: say Japan, are amazing. I feel like this is what

569
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: those Roman aristocrats must have felt like. You know what

570
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: I mean. It seats, you know, the noises to cover

571
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: up whatever terrible unnatural sounds you're producing in the bathroom,

572
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: which is fantastic. I would love if there were more

573
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: of those here in the US. It's like we're barbarians

574
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: were the majority of stalled doors have these weird uh

575
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: these weird clearances, these gaps and where people just walk

576
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: by and you just get an eyeball looking in Japanese

577
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: horror movie style right as you are, as you are

578
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: attending to your shame, and and you go you go

579
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: into like a Japanese bathroom, and the door closed. The

580
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 1: door when it closes, it actually does close and close.

581
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: You you're in a room. And then you look at

582
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: this incredibly sophisticated contraption, and you know, I'll confess the

583
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: first time in my life I ever walked in the

584
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 1: room and I looked at something's figuring out. Okay, I've

585
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: got the basic gist. It's really important for me to

586
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: understand which button does what? Right right, I was like,

587
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: based on my years of previous experience using restrooms, I

588
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: know the bay six. There are a lot of buttons

589
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: on this thing. And eventually I had to say, is

590
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: this toilet smarter than me? That's is that? What? Usually

591
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: most toilets we come into contact with ben have have one,

592
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: maybe two buttons or levers on them, like you know,

593
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: you occasionally see one where it's the low flow button

594
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: and then the you know, industrial let's wash away all

595
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: the terrible things you've done to this toilet button. But

596
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: otherwise that's it. You're not gonna encounter. Maybe someone's got

597
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: a bi day maybe, but yeah, the Japanese ones are

598
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: are are super sophisticated to the point of intimidation. I agree,

599
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: I honestly I want a Western version, you know, because

600
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: there's lots of ones where all play like the sound

601
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 1: of flowing water or something to cover up any other noises. Yeah,

602
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: I can be sacks would be good. Yeah, cany sack

603
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: would be good. But no, I was thinking of just, uh,

604
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: maybe Ed O'Neill screaming I'm pooping over and over and

605
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: over again. Because everyone knows what's going on in there.

606
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: You just don't want able to hear you making any

607
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: noise while you do it. But if you have someone

608
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: like O'Neil just screaming I'm pooping, one you're acknowledging what

609
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: the act is, and two it's covering up all those

610
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: sounds you're making. So what about hang on? What about this? Uh?

611
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: What about that guy you case? You know we're talking

612
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: about off air the cocktail lounge, So that just up

613
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: playing playing a lounge song of the to cover it up.

614
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm down with it. Like, you know,

615
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: there's all sorts of different things we could have. We

616
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: could have a thing about it's gonna be a stink

617
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: sound and down with the night soil, you know. Yeah,

618
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: I've been thinking of that song. Oh gosh, you wrote

619
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: that night Moves. Yeah, yeah, I was thinking. I was

620
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: trying to come up with a night Moves to me too,

621
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: That's why I went with a That's why I went

622
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: with a night shift instead with night Moves. I'm thinking, like,

623
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: it's the song that plays over the action montage of

624
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: the poop Heist crew. The Night Moves is a perfect song.

625
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you can totally see an Edgar Wright movie

626
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: with Simon Pegg and Nick Frost as two of the

627
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: night Soil man, can't you. Yeah, but the night Moves

628
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: are poop. Yeah, I thought this through. Yeah anyway, Yeah, no,

629
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: it's it's um. I am actually amazed at how few

630
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: toilet jokes we made in this episode, because we were

631
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: both afraid that that's all it was going to be. Yes,

632
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: all the way through, we have conducted ourselves in a

633
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: commodious fashion. In fact, we have I am flushed with excitement.

634
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: So I have to ask Casey real quick. You have

635
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: you've traveled pretty extensively in Europe without get two in

636
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: the weeds there. What's your take? What's the lay of

637
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: the land toilet wise in in Europe? Like, would you

638
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: say the bathrooms are generally better, generally worse? Same same, Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty similar. I would say at this point a

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Speaker 1: lot of the Western European countries have kind of adopted

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Speaker 1: the same basic toilet infrastructure as we're used to here

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Speaker 1: in the States. Germany slightly different style. Oh, they've got

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Speaker 1: the shelf. They've got the shelf, which is that's a

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Speaker 1: weird one for for people who are not used to it. Um,

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Speaker 1: I don't really know what to say about that one.

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Speaker 1: It's not my favorite, but it's memorable. Yeah, that's I'm

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Speaker 1: so glad you brought that up. I was also surprised

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Speaker 1: by the shelf. You know what we're talking. Yes, I've

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Speaker 1: been to Germany. Yes, yeah, yeah, it's the common thing,

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Speaker 1: they're right. Yeah, Yeah, it's one of those again. It's

651
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Speaker 1: one of those things where when you are accustomed to

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Speaker 1: something that is a mundane piece of everyday furniture, if

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Speaker 1: you will, or or just appliance, however you want to

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Speaker 1: refer to a toilet. When you encounter something that that

655
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Speaker 1: goes away from what you are used to, it can

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Speaker 1: become something of a small existential crisis, particularly in a

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Speaker 1: moment of necessity and vulnerability, because you're sitting there wondering,

658
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Speaker 1: am I doing this? There's somewhere else I'm supposed to

659
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Speaker 1: be doing this, and you're literally caught with your pants right.

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Speaker 1: It's like the fear of not knowing that a bid

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Speaker 1: day is a bid day, making use of it the

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Speaker 1: wrong way, or um you know, or like the scene

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Speaker 1: in the I T. Crowd where Roy is in the

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Speaker 1: bathroom and he's pulling on what he thinks is the

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Speaker 1: pull chain for the toilet, but it actually turns out

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Speaker 1: to be an alarm for someone who has a disability

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Speaker 1: and they're pulling on it for for help, and he's

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Speaker 1: been tugging on it thinking that and wondering why the

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Speaker 1: toilet is not flushing. It's those moments, is when you

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Speaker 1: encounter those those things that are outside your normal experience.

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Speaker 1: And again this gets back to something else we were

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Speaker 1: just talking about earlier in the episode, because we have

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Speaker 1: these hang ups about this activity that everyone does, no

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Speaker 1: one wants to acknowledge when we find ourselves in those situations,

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Speaker 1: I think more often than not, we we we find

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Speaker 1: ourselves too embarrassed to ask anybody any questions. You know,

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Speaker 1: you don't for one, it acknowledges that you do this

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Speaker 1: thing that we all do, but we none of us

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Speaker 1: want to acknowledge. And then on top of that, you

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Speaker 1: have the added embarrassment of having to admit you don't

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Speaker 1: know something. And a lot of us, myself included, can

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Speaker 1: encounter a lot of resistance. You know, we don't want

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Speaker 1: to admit we don't know how to do something, especially

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Speaker 1: something so common and mundane that everyone does. So it's

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Speaker 1: that that double whammy, right, like saying I don't know this,

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Speaker 1: So it's the whole I don't want to stop and

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Speaker 1: ask for directions because it's admitting that I don't know

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Speaker 1: what I'm doing. Uh, And it's also I don't want

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Speaker 1: to acknowledge that I have to do the same thing

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Speaker 1: that everybody else on the plant does. I'm telling you, man,

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Speaker 1: we need all I'm calling it all restrooms definitely, public

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Speaker 1: restroom shared spaces should have soundtrack options. Casey, I I

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Speaker 1: don't know what's too it's too weird of a question,

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Speaker 1: but uh, we can't wait for this one. What what's

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Speaker 1: what's the ideal noise do you think for for for

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Speaker 1: a commode a public restroom, you know, I mean white

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Speaker 1: noise is great, or or just a well insulated door,

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Speaker 1: you know, floor to ceiling rather than open. I hate

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Speaker 1: it when when they design bathrooms and like the opening

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Speaker 1: is so big you can actually kind of see out

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Speaker 1: or in. Yeah, why do they do that? That's that's

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Speaker 1: it's a mystery. But um, we're we're blessed in our

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Speaker 1: current Yeah, because we have like floor to ceiling doors

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Speaker 1: that full coverage, full full deniability. You know who's in,

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Speaker 1: who's out. If you if you do find yourself without

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Speaker 1: access to toilet paper, it is a terrible, terrible experience, however,

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Speaker 1: because there is no way to have anyone hand it

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Speaker 1: to you over or there's no over or under. These

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Speaker 1: are stalls that go floor to ceiling, so it means

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Speaker 1: you have to open the door. You always have an

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Speaker 1: exit strategy. Always always check that there's t P before

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Speaker 1: you jump jump in there. Um, not that I know

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Speaker 1: that from a personal experience that totally happened to me. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm still gonna rule that a casey on the case,

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna say, you know, well, of course I

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Speaker 1: respect the judgment of the court. There. I I'm having

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Speaker 1: a great time thinking about like the worst songs to

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Speaker 1: play when someone is using a rest room, Like what

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Speaker 1: if in the saying these are all bad songs, but

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Speaker 1: like what if every time you used the rest room

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Speaker 1: jump by Van Halen and it was the like it

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Speaker 1: was like a law or something like all the masks. Definitely,

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Speaker 1: it's definitely bad advice, typically right when you're when you're

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Speaker 1: on a on a toilet. I was thinking, I was

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Speaker 1: thinking hail to the Chief, but I was afraid that

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Speaker 1: we get way too political. So what about um oh

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Speaker 1: now I'm thinking, well, yeah, I know right, like their

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Speaker 1: brain just starts like call me. Maybe that would be

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Speaker 1: a really bad wonder wall uh thingest stuff like a

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Speaker 1: good case. Well, we want to hear your suggestion. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what's the best song and or noise to play over

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Speaker 1: the sound of humans dealing with their waste problem in

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Speaker 1: the bathroom? Probably like white noiser nature thing. But I'm

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Speaker 1: in love with the idea what's the worst one? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I love with the idea of like what's the

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Speaker 1: what's the worst song? You know, man, there's so many great,

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Speaker 1: many great yeah dance this mess around, yeah man, so uh,

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Speaker 1: let us know we want to hear from you. We

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Speaker 1: also want to doff our figurative caps to the hard

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Speaker 1: work of the night soilman, both those of the past

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Speaker 1: and those of the present day. Yes, you make a

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Speaker 1: valuable contribution to making sure society can continue to function. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thanks for keeping us less dirty, less filthy. We're just

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00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: a filthy thing that we're always going to need help

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00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: with that as we appreciate every help we get. And

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Speaker 1: where can you? Hey, guys, I know the best slash

747
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Speaker 1: worst song to regularly play when people use the toilet?

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Speaker 1: Where can I tell you and my fellow listeners about it?

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Speaker 1: Excellent question. You can find us on Facebook. You can

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00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: find us on Instagram. You can find us on Twitter.

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00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: We especially like to recommend our our Facebook page Ridiculous Historians,

752
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: where you can you can share your opinions about the Again,

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Speaker 1: the question the worst song to play while people are pooping?

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Speaker 1: I cannot wait for that thread because you know people

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00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: are going to link to YouTube videos so that you

756
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Speaker 1: can actually go through and listen to submissions. It's going

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Speaker 1: to be amazing. It will be amazing to hear them

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Speaker 1: because I'm gonna encounter songs I've never heard before, specifically

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Speaker 1: in the context of it covering up the sounds of

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Speaker 1: me pooping. And I cannot eight for that experience. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and Uh. While you are waiting for that experience, we're

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out which song best suits you. Why

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Speaker 1: not learn more about the past, present, and future of

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Speaker 1: all things tech Jonathan. In addition to being our are

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Speaker 1: long running nemesis as the Twister. Uh, you are also

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Speaker 1: a bedroom podcaster and you have, as we mentioned a

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Speaker 1: previous episode, one of the longest running podcasts in our network, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Tech Stuff, that's been running since two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 1: I actually do have an episode about the history of

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Speaker 1: toilets Josh Clark of Stuff you should Know. Join me

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Speaker 1: for that episode. So Josh and I sat down in

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Speaker 1: the studio about ten feet away from where we're sitting

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Speaker 1: right now, and we talked about toilets for an hour.

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Speaker 1: So if you want to hear more about toilets, including

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Speaker 1: visited Scara Bray in person and got to see the

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Speaker 1: uh well, the the remnants of what was their their

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Speaker 1: sewer system. Wait, did you go to Scotland just for that? No?

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Speaker 1: I went to Scotland for many reasons, Okay, but I

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Speaker 1: went to scar A Brave just for that. Okay, I

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Speaker 1: did go to that part of Scotland just for that. Um. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So that whole episode is up there, along with approximately

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Speaker 1: one thousand others, so you can learn all about all

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Speaker 1: forward to seeing all your tweets. Yess and not takes

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Speaker 1: a plenty, Yes, of course, thank you so much to

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Speaker 1: our super producer Casey Pegram. Thanks to my writer or

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Speaker 1: Die Noel Brown, who is on the road but we'll

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Speaker 1: not dying uh and thinks of course. Our research associate

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Speaker 1: gave Christophersotis Eve's Jeff Coche, the night Soilman around the World,

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Speaker 1: Night Soiled Professionals, and of course Jonathan, thank you for

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Speaker 1: coming on the show. Now I understand that this is

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Speaker 1: just a bit of an armistice. Yes, we we have

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Speaker 1: a temporary peace treaty in place. The next time you

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Speaker 1: hear from me, I will likely be plaguing you once

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Speaker 1: again with with various scenarios, and you and no will

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Speaker 1: have to suss out which are true and which are false.

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Speaker 1: But for now, thank you Ben for having me on

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Speaker 1: the show, and thank you listeners. I never get to

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Speaker 1: say that part We'll see you again real soon, which

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