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Speaker 1: It's hour two, it is a Wednesday. We're live in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: It is The Herd wherever you may be, however you

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Speaker 1: may be listening or watching. Thanks for making us part

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Speaker 1: of your day. Greg co Sal is going to show

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Speaker 1: up about four or five minutes. So I was thinking

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Speaker 1: about this. I know it's really really early, but the

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Speaker 1: NFL season is over, and once an NFL season ends,

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Speaker 1: there are three ways to improve your team. Number one

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Speaker 1: is the coaching and staff hires. Number two is free agency,

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Speaker 1: and number three is the draft. Those are the primary ways.

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Speaker 1: I think the draft's worth about fifteen percent. I think

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Speaker 1: free agencies wereth about fifteen percent, and I think Ben

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Speaker 1: Johnson and Mike Vrabel are proof. The coaching is about

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Speaker 1: seventy percent. Now, most rosters don't radically change, and if

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Speaker 1: they do, like New England change this year, Well, it's

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Speaker 1: up to Mike Frabel, the coach. Okay, So to me,

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Speaker 1: the coaching thing really matters. So if you look at

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Speaker 1: the teams that have made big jumps in a year,

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, Mike Rabel, Jim Harbaugh, Liam Cohen, Sean Payton,

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Speaker 1: it's not all players, it's mostly the coach. And if

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Speaker 1: they do change the roster, the coach has big say

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Speaker 1: in that. The coach making eighteen million a year, has

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Speaker 1: a lot of say in even the draft and free agency.

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Speaker 1: So I mean the Titans and Giants had a lot

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Speaker 1: of money last year, they didn't have the right coaches. Okay,

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Speaker 1: New England had a lot of money last year. In

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Speaker 1: free agency, they had the right coach. I mean Jackson

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Speaker 1: Dart and Drake Mayor both talented. It's the coach and

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Speaker 1: Seadle's the draft, so it's not the draft seatle's the draft.

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Speaker 1: They had two guys, a guard in a safety out

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Speaker 1: of the draft class. They had an impact two of

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Speaker 1: twenty two starters, and that's not counting special teams, and

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Speaker 1: their special teams in Seattle were impactful. So I do

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Speaker 1: believe you can look after all the coaching hires. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna do a top ten after the coaching hires, after

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Speaker 1: here we go number ten. I think the Chiefs. I'd

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Speaker 1: put them at number ten right now. They've got three

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Speaker 1: really good picks, three of the top seventy five picks.

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Speaker 1: They need to get a rush end, an offensive tackle,

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Speaker 3: Number nine would be Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Buffalo doesn't have a lot of cap space, and

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Speaker 1: they don't have a pro bowler on defense right now.

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Speaker 1: Joe Brady. Is he an upgrade over Sean McDermott. I

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Speaker 1: don't necessarily think so. I'm going to wait and see.

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Speaker 1: Their schedule is brutal Rams Texans, AFC West, NFC North, brutal,

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Speaker 1: brutal schedule. Number six the Patriots or number eight the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: I like New England, but Drake May was sacked sixty

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Speaker 1: eight times this year. The O line doesn't need a tweak.

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Speaker 1: It mostly outside of guard, needs an overhaul. Three straight

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Speaker 1: playoff games with eight plus points at one point in

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Speaker 1: They also played an incredibly weak schedule. Next year, I

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Speaker 1: think it's a top six, most difficult schedule, they'll be

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Speaker 1: a very good team. I don't think in the AFC

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Speaker 1: they'll represent the conference in the Super Bowl. Number seven

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals offense was at times this year with Yakobe Brissaid.

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Speaker 1: I think they've got their star players all signed, and

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Speaker 1: I have the Lions at seven. Number six Liam Cohen

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Speaker 1: year one. What a turnaround by the Jaguars. Top ten

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Speaker 1: So and I think they didn't have Travis Hunter playing much.

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Speaker 1: I think the Chargers are going to feel like a

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Speaker 1: I'd put the Bears at four. I know you think

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Speaker 1: and beat him in overtime in the playoffs. Last four

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Speaker 3: I don't know what that means, but it's something.

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Speaker 1: They did not take the ball away in the playoff

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Speaker 1: Number three the Denver Broncos. Not only were they missing

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Speaker 1: three receivers. In a playoff game, they should have been

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl team. They matched up with Seattle much better.

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Speaker 1: felt like between the blizzard and their injuries, they got

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Speaker 1: like the coach, the roster, and the quarterback. Number two,

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Speaker 1: highest quidded offense, highest quidded defense, according to PFF, played

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Speaker 1: Matt Stafford's age, but there's an argument they'll be the

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Speaker 1: best team in the league next year. Number One Seattle,

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Speaker 1: between Mike McDonald, John Snyder, his drafting record, Sam Donold,

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Speaker 1: so many of it's like it's like watching a little

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Speaker 1: They have so much upside and they're already really really good.

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Speaker 1: So Seattle just doesn't miss. And they've last four years

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Speaker 3: Those guys yet. That would be my top ten right now.

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Speaker 1: I don't have Green Bay, but they've been a number

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Speaker 1: seven seed in the playoffs, haven't they. This year there

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Speaker 1: J Mack, you have a you're just puzzled by.

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Speaker 4: This, listen. I know, I know, we have a guest

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Speaker 4: usually here. I got a lot to say about this one.

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Speaker 4: So they've weistened. Wait a little bit. I mean it's

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Speaker 4: kind of wild here, coward really so no Eagles anywhere

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Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson that new contract. He's gonna get that. The

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Speaker 4: Where are the Houston Texans? Is eleven or something like?

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Speaker 1: Aren't you the guy that kept complaining that CJ. Stroud

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Speaker 4: I think he's not a very good quarterback.

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Speaker 1: So if you don't have a very good quarterback, how

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Speaker 1: are you better than Mahomes and Josh Allen and Drake

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Speaker 4: The defense is elite, and we just saw it's not

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Speaker 4: about quarterbacks, it's about defense. At this point, I'm surprised

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Speaker 4: But yeah, this is uh three from the AFC West, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: two from the NFC West. No Niners.

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Speaker 1: Hey, you know how I like Mendoza Raiders. Maybe eleven

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Speaker 1: by September a couple stop. All right, let's bring in

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Speaker 1: Greg Cosell forty six years NFL films. There's so much

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Speaker 1: I've always loved Sam Donald.

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Speaker 5: I know that I know that he.

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Speaker 1: Had a little hitch in his you know, delivery. And

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Speaker 1: quite ready. I argued yesterday, people say, you know, everybody

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Speaker 1: loves to get credit, and I said, the NFC was

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Speaker 1: the better conference this year. By the end of the year,

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Speaker 1: Maholmes is beat up and all. And I said, to

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Speaker 3: Breeze did that once.

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Speaker 1: Aikman did it once, Like that is safe because that

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Speaker 1: Rams defense can create turnovers. But you tell me, when

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, it's funny you say that because normally

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Speaker 6: we talk about the quarterback as being the key to everything. Now,

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Speaker 6: I thought, what Darnold did in that game is he

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Speaker 6: played that game the way it was demanded to be played.

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Speaker 6: actually surprised. I was there in the stadium watching the game,

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Speaker 6: was truly surprised when I saw that he had forty

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Speaker 6: because they ran the ball really well. They ran a

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Speaker 6: Even though they weren't great on third down, they still

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Speaker 5: He missed a few colin as you know where he

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Speaker 6: And that would have that would have probably made it

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Speaker 6: But there were times where he clearly felt it wasn't clean,

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Speaker 5: Then he checked it down.

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Speaker 6: He obviously had that scramble on the I think it

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Speaker 6: was the first third quarter drive he played really a

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Speaker 5: I think it was. It might have been Matt Hasselbeck.

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Speaker 6: I can't remember, but the term as opposed to game manager,

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Speaker 6: which has a negative pejorative term, and I think the

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Speaker 6: term that Matt used was game commander, which I think

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Speaker 6: is such a better way to talk about a quarterback.

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Speaker 5: That you know, and Tom Brady talks about this all

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Speaker 6: You play the game the way the game demands that

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Speaker 6: you play it. It's not about putting up the big stats.

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Speaker 6: He played that game the right way.

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Speaker 1: Drake may set an NFL Super Bowl record for passing

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Speaker 1: yards in a quarter. So that's all you need to know.

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Speaker 1: stat Now. I got to ask you about Kenneth Walker.

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Speaker 1: He's got such a unique style. I think we both

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Speaker 1: like him. I liked him at Michigan State. He's a

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Speaker 1: guy that breaks a lot of tackles. He is so

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Speaker 1: him down by themselves. You know, maybe his own teammate,

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Speaker 1: Devin Witherspoon could do it. Most corners couldn't. What do

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, you know what surprised me. We talked about

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Speaker 6: was surprised that he was able to get to the

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Speaker 6: They are really good running out of multiple tight end personnel,

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Speaker 1: You know, Chris collins were set at halftime, he and Tarico.

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Speaker 3: That's accuracy dips.

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Speaker 6: The first thing I noticed, okay, was was the pressure

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Speaker 6: They lined up with a lot of five man fronts,

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Speaker 1: The only guarantee I made on the Friday before the

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Speaker 3: On the air New England will not run the ball.

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Speaker 1: They will absolutely that's the only and I said, that's

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Speaker 1: They will not run the ball. So it was obvious

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Speaker 5: It was just.

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Speaker 1: Felt like st athletically in the box has better players.

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Speaker 3: Forget scheme for a second.

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Speaker 1: They're just twitchy, fast, long, and I felt like New

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Speaker 5: They were overmatched.

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Speaker 6: And the secret sauce for Seattle all year, quite frankly,

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Speaker 6: But that's one of the secret sauces is they're able

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Speaker 1: I said before the Super Bowl there are parts of

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Speaker 6: Well, obviously what happened in the game is Seattle. In

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Speaker 6: So it was sometimes Colin football is just matchup football,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's I mean, that's what the good coaches do,

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Speaker 3: We have to protect that.

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Speaker 1: The one thing you could see that even I could

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Speaker 1: with this we talked about on the this week on

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Speaker 1: the show, Greg is that offense is eye candy. You

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Speaker 6: But with the five offensive linemen, you get what we

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Speaker 5: So this is just beautiful design.

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Speaker 6: too fast. So this is how they started the game.

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Speaker 6: They did this multiple times on the first couple of possessions,

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Speaker 6: and this is what got Drake made just playing fast

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Speaker 6: throughout the game. Everything changed with those first couple of possessions.

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Speaker 1: Greg Cosel, as always, this is just so much fun.

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Speaker 1: Great seeing you we'll talk free agency draft. We'll keep

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Speaker 1: bringing you for sure. Great stuff, Greg, thank you.

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Speaker 5: Thanks, Colin really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting, J Mack when you watch that, when you

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Speaker 1: show it in slow motion, you don't see it. Then

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Speaker 1: you roll the tape fast and you're like, Devin Witherspoon,

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Speaker 1: is there one thousand and one, one thousand boomies there?

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Speaker 3: It's like whoa, whoa.

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Speaker 1: So Drake May in the first couple series is like,

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Speaker 1: I got no time, So you start speeding him up.

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Speaker 3: So you get into his young head. You speed him.

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Speaker 1: Up, and now he's he's speeding out when he doesn't

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Speaker 1: have to speed up.

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Speaker 3: But they're only bringing four So man, there's good stuff.

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Speaker 3: I haven't even gotten to some of the gems today.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know if I will. Maybe I'll just

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Speaker 3: save it. Call Nick right, tell me give us an hour,

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Speaker 3: J Mack. You know, J.

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Speaker 1: Mack's been very quiet today because his Lakers have gotten

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Speaker 1: rolled and he's just not in the mood to.

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Speaker 3: Talk about it.

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Speaker 1: But I will tell you, and I feel strongly about well,

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Speaker 1: I'll talk about it.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna talk about it on the other side.

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Speaker 1: Wait.

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Speaker 4: Wait, just for the record, you think I don't want

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Speaker 4: to talk Lakers.

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Speaker 5: I mean there's.

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Speaker 4: Fifteen layers to that team right now. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 4: go ahead, go off on the li I like when

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Speaker 4: you go off on the Lakers. It's fun.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going off. I am contextualizing what my eyes see.

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Speaker 1: By the way, in about fifteen to twenty minutes, you've

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Speaker 1: heard of Steven Spielberg's dream Works Studios. Well, I have

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Speaker 1: spent over the last forty eight hours. I have a

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Speaker 1: new business venture. It's called donald Works Studios. I'm naming

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Speaker 1: it after Sam Darnold. So Spielberg has DreamWorks. I've created

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Speaker 1: a new venture called donald Works Studios, and we've got

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Speaker 1: to introduce them to you in fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 3: First though, Jmack with the news.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, turn on the news.

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Speaker 2: This is the headline news, all right, Colin.

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Speaker 4: But before you get started with this whole Darnald situation,

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Speaker 4: I know you got a whole movie studio you're gonna

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Speaker 4: pop up. I just want to caution you there is

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Speaker 4: news in Seattle. So they have lost Clint Cooby act

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Speaker 4: to the Raiders. Okay, we talked about this. He left

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Speaker 4: as the OC. He was very good with Sam Darnold.

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Speaker 4: Who is going to replace him? Colin. We just saw

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Speaker 4: this play out in Detroit last year with Ben Johnson.

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Speaker 4: They went to a guy in house. All reports right

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Speaker 4: now indicate Seattle is going to stay in house for

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Speaker 4: this OC job, and it's going to either go to

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Speaker 4: a quarterback coach named Andrew Jenoco or the passing game

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Speaker 4: coordinator Jake Pets. Don't those are the leaders to be

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Speaker 4: the OC play caller for Mike McDonald and Sam Dark.

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Speaker 3: Don't love it. I have to be totally upfront. Don't

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Speaker 3: want to be.

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Speaker 4: Don't love it or hate it immensely.

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Speaker 1: I don't like promoting from within. With very few exceptions,

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Speaker 1: I don't like doing it. The number we had a

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Speaker 1: graph we put on the screen a month ago on

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Speaker 1: this overwhelmingly does not work.

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Speaker 4: In football right. In basketball and other fields it works fine,

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Speaker 4: But in football, historically it has not worked at all.

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Speaker 1: Best candidate, when a legend leaves, when Steve Spurrier left, flow,

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Speaker 1: you know, or when you have an urban Meyer leaves

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Speaker 1: Ohio State, when you got to go and have a

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Speaker 1: wide search. I've always had a theory, the greater the

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Speaker 1: person you're replacing the wider.

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Speaker 3: The search has to be for them.

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Speaker 1: Detroit lost Ben Johnson, the best OC in the league

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Speaker 1: for two or three years. I have nothing against anybody

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Speaker 1: in that Lion's building. You got to go bigger and broader.

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Speaker 1: When Michigan lost Jim Harball. You don't just elevate the

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Speaker 1: assistant everybody likes. You've got to make a national search.

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Speaker 1: That's why I said about Alabama when they lost Saban.

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Speaker 1: You can say what you want. Every ad in the

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Speaker 1: country knows Klin de Bor is a great hire. Now

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Speaker 1: Alabama's not as good when Saban was because they don't

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Speaker 1: have the NIL money. Saban knew I'm getting the hell

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Speaker 1: out of here. Once Nil got reped up. Alabama didn't

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Speaker 1: have that kind of money in state, So you can

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Speaker 1: blame Kaylin de Bor. That roster's not close to Saban's

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Speaker 1: roster five years ago, but Debor was a great hot

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Speaker 1: You usually don't go legend to like next potential. That

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Speaker 1: would ideally be the way to do it. But so

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Speaker 1: I don't love this.

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Speaker 4: But the best businesses often have that next legend. They've

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Speaker 4: identified them and they got them on staff, and they're

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Speaker 4: already working with the coach a lot of the best ones.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'll have examples for you when we talk

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Speaker 4: about this next week. Because you know it's the off season.

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Speaker 4: We got a lot to talk about. Uh, all right,

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Speaker 4: col Let's move on to the next story, and that's

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Speaker 4: the Kansas City Chiefs. The mediocre Chiefs this past season,

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Speaker 4: hell you could say below average. A lot of nerves

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Speaker 4: about what's going to happen with them this offseason. Patrick

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Speaker 4: Mahons obviously has to tour in ACL and LCL. Well,

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Speaker 4: the Super Bowl odds are out for next season, and

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Speaker 4: what did you know it? This is the Chief's worst

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Speaker 4: odds since Mahomes became the starter. They are currently plus

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Speaker 4: fifteen hundred yeah, to win the Super Bowl. That is

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Speaker 4: extremely low for a Mahomes read led.

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Speaker 1: Well, they don't have any cap space. That's their biggest dilemma.

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Speaker 1: They they are three needs. Like, they need an edge rusher,

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Speaker 1: it's a very good ed rusher drift, they need running back. Well,

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Speaker 1: they may nail one with their first pick. So I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of this draft for Kansas City. If

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Speaker 1: they could get Love in the first round the running

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Speaker 1: back from Notre Dame, that solves an issue.

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Speaker 3: They need a defensive end.

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Speaker 1: They probably need an offensive tackle, probating the things they

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Speaker 1: need edge and tackle and running back. They could get

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Speaker 1: all three because they have three of the top seventy

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Speaker 1: five picks. So I want to watch their draft before

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Speaker 1: I have any great proclamations. They do need an infusion

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Speaker 1: on the edge, defensively, in the backfield and in the

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Speaker 1: O line, and.

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Speaker 3: They don't have the money to go get it.

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Speaker 1: So if they draft, it's a very and they don't

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Speaker 1: have a ton of you know, they have to nail

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Speaker 1: these picks, and that's.

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Speaker 4: Their secondaries, total garbage. They have no players. I'm just

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Speaker 4: telling you. You said may need a tackle. I mean, listen,

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Speaker 4: I know they like the potential of Simmons. How many

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Speaker 4: games did he miss last year? I mean, you can't

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Speaker 4: have a rookie missing a bunch of games and then

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Speaker 4: the right side's terrible. There's just no room for error

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Speaker 4: on the offensive line. There's nowhere you can start the

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Speaker 4: Chiefs other than third place in the division right now.

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Speaker 4: Maybe that goes up with the draft and free agency,

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Speaker 4: but they're definitely behind the Broncos.

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Speaker 1: In Charger No, I have the Chargers winning the division

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Speaker 1: next year. Denver second Kansas City third today, I do yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then listen.

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Speaker 4: Chiefs fans be optimistic. You can go up. But I'm

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Speaker 4: telling you right now, Jeremiah Love ain't fixing that offense.

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Speaker 4: If you go with him at nine, it's not fixing anything.

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Speaker 4: Maybe Kelsey comes back. I mean, listen, I'm not taking

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Speaker 4: glee in the demise of the Chiefs. Sounds like it,

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Speaker 4: but I mean, listen, They're just a lot of teams

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Speaker 4: better than them. If you know how they do the

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Speaker 4: roster offseason, like oh this guy, they got blue chip

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Speaker 4: talent here or there. I'm just telling Chiefs are not

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Speaker 4: in the top ten, maybe not top twelve for rosters. Yes,

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Speaker 4: they have Mahomes and Red, but the talent it's just

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Speaker 4: not there.

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Speaker 3: No, they don't have.

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Speaker 1: They don't have the depth of talent like Philly, Detroit, Seattle,

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Speaker 1: Rams and after this draft and cap Space Chargers, Denver,

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Speaker 1: they don't have.

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Speaker 3: Denver's got there quite where Denver's at.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Houston has a better roster than the Kansasity Chiefs.

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Speaker 4: Jacksonville are they close. They got as many defenders that

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Speaker 4: are good.

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Speaker 1: I mean Travias Hunterstaff, Now Joe JAG's roster is good.

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Speaker 5: It is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, final story, Colin, Let's go to the NBA.

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Speaker 4: This is an interesting one because Jason Tatum, off the

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Speaker 4: Achilles injury suffered thirty nine weeks ago. He is now

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Speaker 4: working out with their G League affiliate, took part in

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Speaker 4: his first five on five scrimmage yesterday. Tatum said he

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Speaker 4: was feeling good, but added that this doesn't point to

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Speaker 4: him returning this season or not. He's just following a

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Speaker 4: step by step plan. Now, Colin, this is an interesting

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Speaker 4: one because we recently saw Jamal Murray suffer an ACL.

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Speaker 4: He started practicing with the G League team for Denver

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Speaker 4: and everybody got excited a couple of years ago and

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Speaker 4: they said, no, we're not bringing you back. We're not

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Speaker 4: going to rush it. They waited. It worked out. We

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Speaker 4: saw Klay Thompson come back. You remember he had the

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Speaker 4: Achilles and ACL back to back years. I know he

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Speaker 4: was a little older than Tatum. Colin. You know, I

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Speaker 4: love me some Jason Tatum. I would preach extreme caution

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Speaker 4: if I'm a Boston Celtic and I.

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Speaker 3: Agree with you. And here's one of the reasons I

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Speaker 3: agree with you.

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Speaker 1: What is the NBA today compared to let's say, ten

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Speaker 1: to twelve years ago.

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Speaker 3: The pace is much faster, so.

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Speaker 1: You're getting a lot of these soft tissue tears. Lebron's

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Speaker 1: talked about this now. I don't think that's primarily I

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Speaker 1: don't think that's overwhelmingly the reason guys don't play.

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Speaker 3: They make too much money. The season's long.

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Speaker 1: They look at their baseball and football counterparts and the

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Speaker 1: money and that the NBA has got some regular season

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Speaker 1: issues that go a mile deep, and I don't the

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Speaker 1: tanking is I'm sorry, it doesn't work. People tank when

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Speaker 1: they want to. You've got too many stars that just

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Speaker 1: don't feel like playing. So but I do think where

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Speaker 1: Lebron is right the pace of the league it's a

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Speaker 1: pace in space three. You know, That's what it is

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Speaker 1: right now, and more guys are getting little tears and

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Speaker 1: dinged up. So Jason Tatum, it's like he would merge

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Speaker 1: back onto the freeway. It'd be the auto bond. It's

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Speaker 1: not just the four to zero five, it's the auto bond.

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Speaker 1: The pace of league is too fast. I didn't if

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Speaker 1: your Boston, I don't think you bring him back. Just

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Speaker 1: I think the pace is too fast, and you could

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Speaker 1: tweak and give problem and Let's face it, Tatum's an

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Speaker 1: impeccable shape. Boston's very well run. They have a very

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Speaker 1: solid roster. They've got six more years with this group

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Speaker 1: to win titles. There is no rush, there is absolutely.

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Speaker 4: No totally agree with you one of your better takes. Now,

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Speaker 4: I will say the Celtics started out slow this season obviously.

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Speaker 4: I mean they lost like four or five guys in

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Speaker 4: their rotation. However, they're currently second in the East killing Yeah,

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Speaker 4: five and a half behind the Pistons. Joe Mizoula, we

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Speaker 4: got to give it up. I know your guy Bill

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Speaker 4: Simmons bashing Joe Miszula, calling him what second road Joe

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Speaker 4: for a couple of years. Hey, Joe Mizzula kind of

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Speaker 4: knows what he's doing with basketball. Moves Peyton Pritcher to

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Speaker 4: the bench, they move off Simons. This is a damn

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Speaker 4: good team and they will contend in the East right

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Speaker 4: top five in offensive and defensive efficiency. Missoula has done

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Speaker 4: a hell of a job. I know, Coach of the

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Speaker 4: Year is going to whoever Detroit or Okay, see one

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Speaker 4: of those guys. Missoula needs some props from you and

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Speaker 4: your cadre.

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Speaker 1: I said his first year I said, he's not a

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Speaker 1: top five coach and they have a top five roster,

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Speaker 1: so it's uneven. But you know, you have a right

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Speaker 1: in America to learn on the job. Not everybody that

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Speaker 1: takes a job in a tech company is Zuckerberg day one.

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Speaker 3: Like, it's okay in.

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Speaker 1: The NBA, if you're a young coach and your first year,

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Speaker 1: your situationally, you're not. You know, the really good coaches,

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Speaker 1: like in college basketball, if they're scoring six points a game,

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Speaker 1: like Tom Izzo calling time out, having an inbounds play.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Izzo is the master at calling a timeout

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Speaker 1: inbounds play and scoring like that. That's that second third

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Speaker 1: level stuff. Some of these young coaches, they have great

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Speaker 1: relationships with players. I mean, Denver had a young coach

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Speaker 1: first year. Is he is he as good as the

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Speaker 1: guy he replaces? Probably not situationally, but it's okay.

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Speaker 4: I remember Brad Stevens moved up to the front office.

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Speaker 4: Every guy he plugs in at center is working for

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Speaker 4: the Celtics. They lost and they loft two other centers.

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Speaker 4: I'm facing on him now. Any guy they put in

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Speaker 4: there is like crushing it. I mean, Celtics are doing

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Speaker 4: a damn good job, and you know I don't like

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Speaker 4: any Boston teams and being a New York guy because

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Speaker 4: I'm a New York guy, we don't like Boston.

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Speaker 1: Come on, we should go into every game in every

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Speaker 1: season with a clean slate.

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Speaker 3: There's no reason of agendas Boston.

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Speaker 4: I like me some Tatum.

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Speaker 1: You know my Celtics are right one of the top

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Speaker 1: three best run teams in the league. Yeah, OKC Celtics

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Speaker 1: Spurs last ten fifteen years.

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Speaker 3: Well, Rock can't.

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Speaker 4: Really dispute that. I will say. There's a mantra about

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Speaker 4: Jason Tatum laker. You know, he's as a Kobe Bryant tattoo.

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Speaker 4: People call him future Laker Jason Tatum. So I am

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Speaker 4: a Jason Tatum guy. Maybe he's coming to LA at

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Speaker 4: some point. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Jmack with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks

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Speaker 1: for stopping by The Herd Line News. Starting a new venture.

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Speaker 1: You've heard of dream Works. It's Darnold's Works and I'm

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Speaker 1: very excited.

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Speaker 2: Next be sure to catch live editions of The Herd

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Speaker 2: weekdays in neon eastern non am Pacific on Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 4: The Great American Race returns. It's back to back champion

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Speaker 4: William Byron looking for a historic three peat. It doesn't

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Speaker 4: get any bigger than this, the sixty eighth running of

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Speaker 4: the Daytona five hundred Sunday at two thirty Eastern, with

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Speaker 4: pre race coverage starting at twelve thirty only on Fox.

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Speaker 1: Well, the coaching carousel has come to a stop until

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Speaker 1: next January, and so we thought we'd present coming coaching

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Speaker 1: attractions with all the new hires in the NFL, and

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Speaker 1: is substantially important. So from the DreamWorks studio that Spielberg

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Speaker 1: has and I just ripped it off. I came up

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Speaker 1: with my Donald Work studio, and these are some of

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Speaker 1: my new ventures that are in production right now. And

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Speaker 1: I just want to give you a heads up and

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Speaker 1: give you a little taste of what's about to come.

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Speaker 1: You remember Once upon a Time in Hollywood Quentin Tarantino,

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Speaker 1: I mean, who can forget that? What an all time classic. Well,

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Speaker 1: my new feature is a gritty reboot where the defense

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Speaker 1: gets top billing in Once upon a Time in Sollowwood,

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Speaker 1: and this time the fairy tale ends with a goal

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Speaker 1: line stand in I'm bad right. Well, one of the

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Speaker 1: great actors in recent I mean in our lives is

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Speaker 1: John malcovic right, like everybody knows John Maultavich is unbelievable,

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Speaker 1: well being John Mountavich. Check out mine the psyche of

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Speaker 1: a championship coach with a young quarterback in the new

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Speaker 1: film Being John harbaugh Vich. It turns out playoff enlightenment

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Speaker 1: requires special teams meetings at dawn.

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Speaker 3: Very excited for this?

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Speaker 1: Okay, now, I know you love Dave Chappelle, and remember

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Speaker 1: he did very very funny comedy Half Bait, very fun

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Speaker 1: everything Chappelle touches.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: Now my venture Miami wants all the smoke, but the

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Speaker 1: expectations are as high as the vibes in Halflee Bait.

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Speaker 1: Time to see if these new buds can plant.

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Speaker 4: A c I see what you did there, Okay, Halflee Bait?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 1: I mean now, this may not be in your wheelhouse,

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Speaker 1: dolldy parton the Southern classic Steel Magnolias. Yes, that's a

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Speaker 1: great all time movie. In a town built on toughness,

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Speaker 1: sometimes the story gets a little soft. A familiar face

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Speaker 1: returns to the AFC North to renew a bond as

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Speaker 1: strong as Stealer Magnolias old relationships at a new offensive.

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Speaker 4: Wrinkle, and they got Aaron Rodgers in there.

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Speaker 1: Huh Mike McCarthy, cam Baylor's stealer, Magnoli, Well, is there

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Speaker 1: a bigger fan? Probably is? But mission impossible? Oh j Mac,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean you and I both. This gets

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Speaker 1: me to it, not a lot gets me to a theater.

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Speaker 1: But the mission with my new venture is changed. Your

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Speaker 1: mission should you choose to accept it. Fix the quarterback,

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Speaker 1: modernize the offense, survive the AFC North, will Todd assemble

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Speaker 1: the elite team he needs in Mongkhan Impossible? The game

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Speaker 1: tape will self destruct if the protection doesn't hold Mongkhan impossible.

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Speaker 4: Wow, no, Miles Garrett, but Shador and Deon, that is impossible,

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Speaker 4: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: And finally, it's a lot of work.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I hope this this studio works, or I'll

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Speaker 1: be working, you know, a second job here. You and

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Speaker 1: I love Jim Carrey the classic comedy Dumb and dumbas.

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Speaker 3: Well in my reboot.

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Speaker 1: He's the quirky offensive genius, and he's the quirky offensive genius.

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Speaker 1: One wears khakis, the other wears at leisure. Together they're

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Speaker 1: trying to prove it in the AFC. Brain Power Travels

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Speaker 1: presenting Smart and Smarter. Yeah, with Jim Harbaugh. Just when

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Speaker 1: I thought the Chargers couldn't get me smarter, they redeem themselves.

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Speaker 1: It's Jim Harbaugh, Mike McDaniel and Smart and Smarter. You know,

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Speaker 1: j Mack, there's still room for investors in Donald Works Studios.

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Speaker 4: What kind of are you looking for? Five figure investments?

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Speaker 4: Six guy, some seed Morty look really eatest.

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Speaker 3: Emotional support is all I really need.

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Speaker 4: I'm just curious. Do you think that everyone else in

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Speaker 4: the country is as high on the Chargers as you

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Speaker 4: and I, Because when you look at these hires and

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Speaker 4: what teams have, it seems like a no brainer that

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Speaker 4: the Chargers were the biggest winners so far in the Open.

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Speaker 1: You watch the Chargers this year, the feeling was it's

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Speaker 1: a defensive coaching story and you're just hoping the offense

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Speaker 1: can and generate twenty points. This year, it's going to

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Speaker 1: be a coaching and offensive story. So the defense, I mean,

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Speaker 1: they won eleven games last year in a division with

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Speaker 1: Peyton and Andy Reid. So to me, improvement with the

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Speaker 1: Chargers will not just be standings improvement. They will feel

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Speaker 1: to me in September, we'll all be saying, oh, that's

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Speaker 1: a super Bowl team. That's why. For the record, this

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Speaker 1: is why I've said it's so important the Joe Brady

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Speaker 1: hire because the Chargers now just took an offensive step up.

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Speaker 1: They also have a ton of cap space. So like,

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Speaker 1: if you're a Charger doubter, I haven't had a lot

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Speaker 1: of money. Now they have it, and they're getting their

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Speaker 1: tackles back and they've upgraded OC. So like to me,

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, we all know Kansas City

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Speaker 1: is not going six and eleven. We all know Baltimore

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Speaker 1: should be better, and New England now has more cap

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Speaker 1: space and everybody year three for Drake May so this

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Speaker 1: was the year to get right.

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Speaker 3: And at the end of the year in.

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Speaker 1: The AFC Championship, bow Knicks wasn't available.

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Speaker 3: JK.

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Speaker 1: Dobbins wasn't available. They were down two receivers. This was

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Speaker 1: kind of that gap year in the AFC. It's like

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Speaker 1: in Buffalo didn't get in AFC. I can make a

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Speaker 1: guarantee AFC is going to be better next year. At

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Speaker 1: the top. It's going to be my Liam Cohen. In

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Speaker 1: year two. You know, Peyton gets now bow Knicks another offseason,

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Speaker 1: So Chargers last year seven to zero when they just

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Speaker 1: got the twenty five points, ten and one, when they

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Speaker 1: just yeah, yeah, they were ten and one when they

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Speaker 1: just got over twenty points. So like, is it is

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Speaker 1: it realistic to say they will average six more points

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Speaker 1: a game next year's maybe with McDaniel, with their tackles,

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Speaker 1: with their cap space.

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Speaker 3: I think that's very realistic.

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Speaker 1: Albert Breer Drew Breest Hour on a Wednesday, it's the

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Speaker 1: hurd