1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Nolan. They call 6 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super 7 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:35,639 Speaker 1: producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you 8 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: are you, You are here, and that makes this stuff 9 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. This is our listener 10 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: mail segments. So every week we find at least three 11 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 1: pieces of correspondence from the most important part of this show, 12 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: your fellow listeners. We've got some, We've got some doozies 13 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: here today, and as we've said in the past, we 14 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: get this massive amount of correspondence via email, via social accounts, 15 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: via our good old telephone number one eight three three 16 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: st d W y t K and Matt. I believe 17 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: that our our first piece of listener mail to day 18 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: is in fact a message, right it is. It's a 19 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: message from Atlanta, and let's just play it. Um Hi guys, um, 20 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 1: I'm wanna and I was listening to hear last or 21 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: one of your latest listener mails, and you were talking 22 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,919 Speaker 1: about the cruise industry, and I was making a really 23 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: interesting thing to look into for your listeners and to 24 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: bring awareness to it's the disappearance of Rebecca COLOREUM. She 25 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: disappeared in UM from a cruise ship which are has 26 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: since been realized to sort of use palpable hugs of 27 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: human trafficking. And I think that aspect of cruise ships 28 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: and stuff could make for an really interesting, cool episode 29 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: thanks to what the show by and there we go. 30 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: We we have been talking about cruises quite a bit 31 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: in the recent past. I think our interest was first 32 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: peaked when we were just learning about UM, the the trap, 33 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: the viral in infectious trap that a cruise ship can 34 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: become when out at sea and just a single infected 35 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: person gets on board UM. And you know it then 36 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: became I guess, our interest in what the industry overall 37 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: has been doing for many years about law when you're 38 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: on international waters UM and just some of some of 39 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: the industries UM regular habits about how they keep costs 40 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: down UM really interesting stuff. But we have not talked 41 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: specifically about any disappearances. I don't think, Ben, unless I'm wrong. 42 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: We talked in the asked about. We've explored some cases 43 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: of people who went missing in international waters while not 44 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: necessarily on a cruise ship. But just like that episode 45 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: of Always Sunny in Philadelphia, you know, the the rules 46 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: are different on the high seas, and I really love 47 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: that you pointed that out. We have not talked about 48 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: Rebecca Quarium, who disappeared in March of two thousand eleven 49 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: March twenty. She was a crew member on a ship 50 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: called the Disney Wonder. And I do think that this 51 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: could warrant a a full episode because it already has 52 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: some of the commonalities we've seen in other controversial missing cases. Uh. 53 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: Number one, there are a lot of theories. Number two, 54 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: there's a lot of valid criticism of the subsequent investigation. Then, 55 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: of course we have to realize that without having done 56 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,119 Speaker 1: the kind of research would need to do to make 57 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: a full episode this, we have to realize that this 58 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: gets very close to us messing with the Big Mouse 59 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: Disney Disney Wonder, that's Big Mickey, that's the Big Mickey 60 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: mob Man. The Mouse will come for you. It reminds 61 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: me of that show Succession that was on HBO, not 62 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: The Big Scandal. No spoilers but yeah, it's a thing. 63 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: Well there. Yeah, there's a massive corporation that has an 64 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: arm that is essentially their cruise line arm of their company, 65 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 1: and you can only imagine that this would be a 66 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: public relations nightmare. UM, So I would say the company 67 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: that owns this cruise liner where something may or may 68 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: not have happened, would have an incentive to keep it 69 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: as quiet as possible or as needed to be for 70 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: the investigation to continue along. I'm assuming I'm assuming others 71 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: maybe looking on at what's occurring here, what occurred, how 72 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: the investigation moved forward with a more skeptical eye when 73 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: it comes to the actions of the company. Um, there 74 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,679 Speaker 1: is a lot to cover in this topic. I would 75 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: say there's a there's a pretty extensive timeline that begins 76 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: around five am on March that you were talking about 77 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: their ben which was a Tuesday that it actually saw 78 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: Rebecca on the phone. It's a CCTV camera just you 79 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: can watch her being upset, having an argument of some kind, 80 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: or being just looking like she is upset by what 81 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: is being said on that phone call. And then she 82 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: ended up not showing up for work, not not showing 83 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: up for her post the next morning, and that was 84 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,559 Speaker 1: that she's been gone ever since, and people have gone 85 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: overboard in the past. But here's the thing to set 86 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: the stage right. The most likely, the most likely disappearance 87 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: with someone on the ocean in a boat is going 88 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: to be somehow that person going overboard. Uh, the seas 89 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: were calm Uh. There there are tons of discrepancies here too. 90 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: Just for anyone who's not familiar with the case. You 91 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 1: quickly find weird stuff like there were flip flops in 92 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: a room that were the wrong size. That doesn't prove anything, 93 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: but it's weird. It doesn't seem like you would have 94 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: committed suicide. But we don't know what's on that phone call. Uh, 95 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: we do know that people have not been happy with it. 96 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: One other screwy thing is jurisdiction, right, because I think 97 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: this ship is flagged in the Bahamas, correct, So the 98 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: initial law enforcement has to be carried out by law 99 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: enforcement in the Bahamas. Yeah. Where does the human trafficking 100 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: angle come in? The human trail? Oh? What where our 101 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: color m Atlanta was talking about cruise lines potentially being 102 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: a source of human trafficking, and you know, I do 103 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: not currently have the raw data for that or the 104 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: evidence to support that claim. But any time you've got 105 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:05,799 Speaker 1: a massive ship that is traveling around through international waters 106 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: to to other countries, and there are people boarding the ship, 107 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: there are people getting off the ship. Um, there's certainly 108 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: opportunity right now that makes sense. Well, yeah, consider, I 109 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: mean consider the employment practices can become so sticky when 110 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: you are hiring people from one country to work on 111 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: a ship of a different country to go into international waters. 112 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: And as you said, Matt, make many stops along the way, 113 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: it's not impossible for things to go awry. Like this 114 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: is the transportation sector, right It's the entertainment sector, sure, 115 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: but it's also the transit sector. And the transit sector 116 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: is rife with opportunity for traffickers, like uh, sex trafficking 117 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: maybe in the way that you might see it occur 118 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, like the to put a fine point 119 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: on it, Uh, the John's are the people who think 120 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: they're engaging in some kind of consensual sex work, maybe 121 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: actually involved with someone who is being forced or core 122 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: coerced to be there. But I do want to point out, 123 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: without too much of a spoiler, I think it wasn't 124 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: too long ago that Rebecca Quarium's girlfriend at the time 125 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: said that she said that, in her opinion, Rebecca took 126 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: a lot of drugs and then maybe deliberately leaped off 127 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: the boat. But that's still like not officially proven, right 128 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: yeah there, yeah, yeah, not at all. Um. You really 129 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: have to look at her parents who have been fighting 130 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: battles in and out of court since March of with 131 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: with both Disney Cruise Line, with the Disney Company I 132 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: guess and their their cruise line arm as well as 133 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: just attempting to find out more information from the various 134 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: investigators that have been working on the case. UM. I 135 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: don't want to spoil too much here, but as of 136 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: twixten the the company did settle with the the family. 137 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, so so there was money paid. I I 138 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: don't I highly doubt that any wrongdoing was you know, 139 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: was admitted. There no no admission of guilt. That's that's 140 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: a settlement. Is also you know, it's not necessarily a 141 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: sketchy thing. Again, I think now we're all being careful 142 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: because we do want a full episode and we don't 143 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: want to spoil it, but but to be very very transparent. Um, 144 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: when a corporation or even a celebrity, for instance, reaches 145 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: an out of court settlements, then what they're doing is 146 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: they're they're paying the person off, paying the the aggrieved 147 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: party off, but they're doing it outside of court, meaning 148 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: there is no legal admission of guilt and the case 149 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: will be considered settled and no further legal proceedings will occur, 150 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: at least in that in that specific instance, you know 151 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like we see criminal cases get go 152 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: to mistrial or get dismissed and then a civil case 153 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: is successful. So there, what's also like, not without precedent, 154 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: the idea of people disappearing from cruise ships. I just 155 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: found like a market Watch article from two thousand seventeen UM, 156 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: so the stats will be a little higher by now. 157 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: But since two thousand, according to this article, around three 158 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: hundred people have gone overboard from cruise ships and ferries um. 159 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: And that's according to data collected by Ross Klein, as 160 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: professor in the School of Social Work at Memorial University 161 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: of Newfoundland and Canada. And of those folks, like, there 162 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: are you know several many that are still still missing, 163 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: presumed dead. So it's you know, it's a thing that happened. 164 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: People drink a lot on cruise ships, and they can 165 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: just topple overboard of their own volition, I guess, but 166 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: you know, on their own doesn't necessarily mean that there's 167 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: foul play. And I was wondering too, like do cruise 168 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: ships ever like piggyback and carry cargo as well? And 169 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 1: apparently that's not really a thing. So I'm wondering, like 170 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: where on the ship would human trafficking, you know, victims 171 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: be held. I mean, I'm assuming, of course there's gonna 172 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: be internal cargo for the things that they need to 173 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: make all the meals and you know, whatever else services 174 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: are provided on on the cruise ship. But I'd be 175 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 1: interested to see what the stats are for, you know, 176 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 1: proving that human trafficking takes place on you know, commercial 177 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: cruise lines. It's tough. I mean, it's it's it's a 178 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: tough stat to pull in an accurate way because to 179 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: your question, many of the to your first question, many 180 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: of those human trafficking victims are in some cases gonna 181 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: look like any other, uh, any other passenger. That's a 182 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: good point. They're being controlled by, you know, their their 183 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:08,959 Speaker 1: main abuser or trafficker who is putting them up um 184 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: under any number of ruses and The truth about the 185 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: matter is if you are if you are a company 186 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: operating ships that take hundreds and hundreds of people on 187 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: a boat regularly, you are going to have a difficult 188 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 1: time giving each single individual a background check other than 189 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: making sure that their credit card works and that they 190 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: uh that they can legally travel to whatever country you're 191 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: taking them too. So it's it's tough. It's tough, and 192 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: it's it's a problem that we know. Um, it's a 193 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: problem that we know the industry has taken steps to address, 194 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: but it's a it's a herculean effort. Uh. On a 195 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 1: brighter note, I I know I mentioned this, like every 196 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: two or three years, if you want to travel across 197 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: the ocean and you don't want to go out and 198 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: cruise ship, and you're flexible with your time, you can 199 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: get a really affordable ticket on a cargo ship and 200 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: it'll just be like you and the crew people maybe 201 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: two other people who love unorthodox travel and uh maybe 202 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: maybe you'll work on that novel, who knows, uh, but 203 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: you you have to bake in like to to two 204 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: to six weeks of flexibility on either side. Yikes. I 205 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: imagine just getting like, for whatever reason, getting stuck outside 206 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: in a bay somewhere in this giant cargo ship because 207 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: you're not allowed to dock yet, and there's some kind 208 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: of trade dispute occurring, and you just then you just 209 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 1: live there on a cargo ship. That's your life now, 210 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: which would be great if guys, if we could record 211 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: on the cargo ship, that would be pretty neat. I'm 212 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: still working that out. There's some technical difficulties. Well, Ben, 213 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: I mean you'll recall and not the two distant past, 214 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: we were recording pretty regularly in what felt like a 215 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: shipping container, so we'd be perfectly at home, uh in 216 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: such a situation. I mean, I'm in that now, actually 217 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: doing it. Guys. This isn't hours though I am on 218 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: a cargo ship. Don't be mad at me. I thought 219 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: you would say, I thought, do I tell you what 220 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: I was on the boat? I thought you might say, no, 221 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: I was wondering what that sloshing sound. I was, yeah, Well, 222 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: I just wo Just to bring it back to Rebecca Quarnium, 223 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: you guys, and without spoiling too much, I think this 224 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: should be an episode that we cover in the future. 225 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: And this is what I want to leave you with. 226 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: This is from a Hollywood Reporter article that is discussing 227 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: the I guess the result of the court case that 228 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: went through UM. This is a quote from Jim Walker, 229 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: a Miami based attorney who represented aquariums in the United 230 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: States throughout this case. He says, the case has been resolved. 231 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: They're pursuing an inquest in the UK, but I'm not 232 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: supposed to talk about the case. So that's interesting right 233 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: now Here Here is another quote, this one from British 234 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: parliamentarian at least in Chris Matheson. Here's his quote. My 235 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: worst fear is that Rebecca Quarium was murdered. It's a 236 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: possibility and it needs to be investigated properly. The more 237 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: you look into this, the more it smells rotten, the 238 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: more it smells like a crime has taken place. So 239 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: UM terrible, like absolutely horrifying and terrible for the Koium 240 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: family and for Rebecca Chorium herself. However, for you know, 241 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: the possibilities here of uncovering something that we can really 242 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: dig into, that we can talk about on this show 243 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: and maybe expose some stuff going on and problems, like 244 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: you're speaking to knowl It feels like this topic is 245 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: right before it so I'm excited to dig in more. 246 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: Thank you so much Lanta for calling and letting us 247 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: know about this. Yes, great, thank you, and thank you 248 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: to everybody who's written in response to our our earlier 249 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: exploration of cruise ships. There's there's a lot beneath the 250 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: surface there, you know. Um, we can't wait to dig in. 251 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: And one of the one of the most amazing things 252 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: here is is just how much firsthand experience we've been 253 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: learning about in your correspondencies with us. Uh, we're getting 254 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: an inside peak and we want to We want to 255 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: go further down the rabbit hole, as is our want. 256 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: Speaking of inside peaks, we also we received a number 257 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: of correspondencies from people who reached out. I had no 258 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: idea this many people would talk to us about this, 259 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: people who reached out to tell us how you can, 260 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: in fact get booted from one of our favorite secret societies. 261 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 1: We'll tell you more about this after a quick word 262 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: from our sponsors and we're back. Uh. Yeah, So the 263 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: question has arisen, Will where where did this come up? 264 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: Fellas the idea of getting booted from the Mason's Do 265 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: you remember how that came about? Wasn't that on a 266 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: news episode or what was That's Garrison Courtney, who was 267 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: pretending to be a deep cover ci apy and built 268 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: built a bunch of high ranking government officials out of millions. 269 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 1: He got close. The people he called were so important 270 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 1: that he got close to signing some multibillion dollar contracts, 271 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: which would have also given him full legal immunity. At 272 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: one point, he claimed to be hooking someone up in 273 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: contact with an ambassador that he said he knew through 274 00:17:54,080 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: the Freemasons. When the marketing question finally spoke to said ambassador, 275 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: it turned out that the only thing that ambassador knew 276 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: was that this con man, Garrison Courtney, had been kicked 277 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 1: out of the Mason's uh. And I think that's where 278 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: the three of us started asking ourselves, Well, the four 279 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: of us started asking ourselves, how do how do you 280 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: get kicked out of the Masons. I think it's interesting question, 281 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: and also the way it occurred to us as interesting 282 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: because because of the paths that we, uh, we sort 283 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 1: of follow with some of these stories. You know, secret 284 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:33,959 Speaker 1: societies have a certain air of sinisterness to them, and 285 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: I think it's certainly possible to ascribe that same thing 286 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: to the Freemasons. But at the end of the day. 287 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: There's a lot of information out there about the Freemasons, 288 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: and you know, anyone can be nominated to be a member, 289 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: and you can even go to your local chapter and 290 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: petition to to be a member. We'll talk about that 291 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 1: in a second, but, uh, the idea that you know, 292 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: somehow Masons are these like high level you know, evil types, 293 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 1: are criminal masterminds or something. At least that's where my 294 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 1: mind goes, like, how do you get kicked out of 295 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:08,239 Speaker 1: an organization that's already pure evil? But that's definitely not 296 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: the case. The Masons do a lot of good work 297 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: for the community, as we know, like the Shriners. There's 298 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 1: an off shoot of the Mason's sponsor all of these 299 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: children's hospitals, and you know, you could argue it's just 300 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 1: a front for all of their nefarious underground dealings, but 301 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's an interesting thing to think about. 302 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 1: And it's also a very long tradition of Freemasonry, as 303 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: we know, and there's certainly been some shadowy figures that 304 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: have been connected to it over the years, but also 305 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: some very prominent and uh and upstanding figures might have 306 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 1: been connected to it, one of which I would argue 307 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: is our anonymous email email or um. He even doesn't 308 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 1: even give a name. He just has a very clandestine 309 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: email address using letters and numbers that I don't know 310 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: what it necessarily is pointing to, if it's initials or weapons. 311 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: Quite a lot of numbers. But he has this to 312 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 1: say about the question. Uh at end here, Hi, guys, 313 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: I was in the Freemasons for just over five years, 314 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: and in that time I climbed offices in the Blue 315 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 1: Lodge as well as obtained the rank of Nights templar 316 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 1: okay in the York Right, as well as the thirty 317 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: second degree in the Scottish Rite. The quickest way to 318 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 1: get booted out was by being convicted of a crime. 319 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,479 Speaker 1: Falons aren't allowed in and getting one will put you out. 320 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: Misdemeanors are hidden miss demeanors, that's mine largely depending on 321 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,959 Speaker 1: who you know. You can be ejected for non payment 322 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: of dues. That was a question that came up, but 323 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: I've never known that to happen. There were guys that 324 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: hadn't paid for years. Generally, anything over a year past 325 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 1: duo will mean you're getting letters. I never had access 326 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: to the quote upper Echelon's but I did know people 327 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: who were from my time in It all seems like 328 00:20:55,840 --> 00:21:00,040 Speaker 1: traditional frat things. The main secret is the secrecy and 329 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: elitism itself. Any other secrets are handshakes, code words, and 330 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: ritual things. I think, repeating phrases, acting out scenes, things 331 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: like that no one would really care about. If you 332 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: attend a public session that is held once a year 333 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 1: in most places, you will witness what happens at even 334 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: the highest levels really interesting information. UM, I wouldn't be 335 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: surprised if small cliques form within the lodge who may 336 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: get into things that the public wouldn't like. But I 337 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: think you could say this for any group of considerable size. 338 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 1: I'm willing to answer any questions the best of my ability. Anonymous, 339 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: Hey check this out. Wait, wait, let me get it's 340 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: all frame. But do you guys remember this one? Yeah? 341 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 1: For the Yeah there it is one of the YouTube crowd. 342 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: Is there no help for the widow's son? Uh? But 343 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: I don't feel like we're compromising any any Masonic organizations 344 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: in the crowd by saying that this is the age 345 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: of the internet. Well, and neither it is our anonymous emailer. 346 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: He seems to think that anybody going to one of 347 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: these public gatherings would would witness a lot of the 348 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: same stuff. And then maybe it's not as hush hush 349 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,959 Speaker 1: as one might think. Um, and that the ritualism of 350 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 1: the organization is the notion of this secrecy, but it's 351 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 1: maybe not as ironclad as one might think. Did no, 352 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: did you see that we got an We got another 353 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: email really recently about this. I just want to read 354 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: just this title other one from from another current Mason. 355 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: This person says, sometimes a brother will decide that he 356 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: is no longer interested in being involved, maybe he learned 357 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: that we don't control the world, or he's sick of 358 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: eating green beans at dinner. When he can then issue 359 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: him what is called a dem it, which is a 360 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: letter stating that he left of his own accord and 361 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: there are no claims against him. It's like an honorable discharge, 362 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: is what this person. Yeah, this idea of like what 363 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: what amounts to an amicable breakup is is pretty refreshing. 364 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: That's that's a good thing that a lot of more 365 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: secretive organizations don't really have. I also want to shout 366 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: out someone who who wrote a great letter to us 367 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: about this from from Maine. UH and some of our 368 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 1: our personal contacts who have been involved in freemasonry, who 369 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: have talked to us about it. Um. The point that 370 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: you make, Anonymous that I really appreciate it. I think 371 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 1: we all appreciated, was that the idea of collusion and 372 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: conspiracy is likely to form in groups of any size, 373 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: and it is likely to be the result of a 374 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 1: small clique or faction within a larger community working towards 375 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: their own ends, and the larger community may know nothing 376 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: about this. Like uh, like think about this. Think about 377 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: a small town corruption rampant in America historically, right, there's 378 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: there's gonna be there's gonna be a mob in you know, uh, 379 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: some equivalent of a mob in three Toe, Arkansas, just 380 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: as much as in Chicago or New York City. They 381 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: might just not be Italian, they might not call themselves 382 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 1: a mob, but the sheriff and the mayor and whomever 383 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 1: probably run the town. So with that in mind, and 384 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 1: these smaller communities especially, it's completely possible that they would 385 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: all happen to be members of the same social network, 386 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: whether that's the Rotarians or the Lions Club or yes, 387 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 1: the Freemasons, And then would they meet at the Lions Club? 388 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: Was like at the Toastmasters or whatever at the Freemasons 389 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: uh lodge, they're able to meet under the cover of 390 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: that organization, and then they just gotta go to another 391 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: room have a little what we would call a breakout session, 392 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: and they're like, Okay, how how are we going to 393 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: fix this election? You know what I mean. It's the 394 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: same thing we talked about with all these secret societies, 395 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: Like we we had this conversation with with John Hodgman. 396 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken about the book and Snake, Uh 397 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: secret society at Harvard or where was it? Where where 398 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 1: is that organ Yale? That's right, and that's sort of 399 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: the deal is at any of these there's going to 400 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 1: be an opportunity to mingle with high level people with 401 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: which you could potentially collude if both so on into 402 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 1: doing so um and uh. But it doesn't mean necessarily 403 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: the entire organization is inherently corrupt or based on overthrowing 404 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: the you know, the status quo in some former fashion. Yeah, 405 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: we've also learned is that you don't need a secret 406 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: society for any of that. You just need. All you 407 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 1: need is a country club that's exactly own a giant 408 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: country club somewhere near Boca Raton. Maybe I don't know, 409 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: you go to Boca or I don't know. It could 410 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: be in in the heart of Atlanta, could be anywhere. Really, 411 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: just oh and operate a country like right. I've got 412 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: to say too to anonymous and to the other folks 413 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: who have written in to give us some excellent information 414 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: about freemasonry, which which I greatly appreciate. Um. My immediate 415 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: question now and it was so hard not to email 416 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: everybody about this is Uh. There's a line you read 417 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: from our anonymous are anonymous listener Noel where it's like, 418 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: misdemeanors are hit and miss or as you said, misdemeanor. Yeah, 419 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: and largely it depends on nepotism, right, the end result 420 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: of whether or not one can stay with the organization. 421 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: That's fine. A lot of these organizations do operate primarily 422 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 1: on nepotism. As a matter of fact, I would say 423 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: nepotism is one of the number one things holding the 424 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: species back overall. Unfortunately, meritocracy is too often a myth, 425 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: but nepotism aside. I wonder what the misdemeanors are are 426 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: the misdemeanors solely of moral aptitude, as you'll hear sometimes 427 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: on a customs form or like, I would love if 428 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: there was, for some reason something incredibly specific and something 429 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 1: that seemed relatively meaningless or innocuous to us non Masons 430 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: on the outside. And I wonder if that's like the 431 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: number one crime in freemasonry. I hope to God it's 432 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: stamp fraud for some reason. They're like the one thing 433 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 1: that will you know, sometimes you hit people with a 434 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: car and sometimes they die. That's an accident. Accidents happen. 435 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 1: But if you make fake stamps, perhaps perhaps coin forgery, Yes, 436 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: that would be another good, real specific way poins are 437 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: fitter exactly. I love that I've seen. I've seen the 438 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: signs at all the gas stations. Don't ask for a 439 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 1: coin change. Um. I did find an article written by 440 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: a Mason master Mason by the name of Matthew Arnold 441 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: McIntosh on a website called w V. Mason's dot org, 442 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: and the headline as high Moral Standards of Freemasons. And 443 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: he goes through and kind of writes a treatise about 444 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: how at its heart the whole purpose of freemasonry is 445 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 1: to impart this high moral standard on its members. Um. 446 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: And then I was sort of like, Okay, how how 447 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: do I become a Mason? Didn't take long to find 448 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 1: a website that that gives you kind of a step 449 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: by step in the how to do so? It's Masonic 450 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 1: Dash Lodge, Dash of Dash Education dot com and UH. 451 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: It reads almost like an old timey pamphlet Become a Freemason? 452 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: Would you like to become a Freemason and belong to 453 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 1: the oldest and largest fraternity in the world? He has 454 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: how Uh You must first find a Masonic Lodge location 455 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: near you, contact them and ask for a petition to 456 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,239 Speaker 1: join uh. And then if you become a Freemason, you 457 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: will This is like serious selling points. Join both the 458 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: oldest and largest fraternity in the world. Join a brotherhood 459 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: of over two million men of all ages, from all races, 460 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: religions and countries, and from all walks of life. Uh. 461 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: And then it has some pictures of some real cool 462 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: UH signet rings that you get. I guess when you 463 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: become a member? UM? Why do so many men want 464 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: to become a Freemason? And it describes the organization as 465 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: a voluntary fraternal organization composed of men of goodwill, good character, 466 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: and good reputation whom in most jurisdictions around the world, 467 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: believe in an almighty creator and practice the spirit of 468 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: universal brotherhood to man. A lot of man talk in 469 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: this though. Yeah, that's one of the big things. Yeah, 470 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: we need to we need to get in front of 471 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: that before someone's writing to us about this. So earlier, 472 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: I think one of us said, anybody can get in. 473 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: I know some of us are writing emails about that 474 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: right now. Don't worry. Pause pause your email. Uh, yes, 475 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: it's only dudes. There are associated organizations that are not 476 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: entirely just dudes, but that is that is one great 477 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: discrimination of of the masodic orders. I think also as 478 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: you as you mentioned earlier in old uh one need 479 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: not have a specific religion, but must have some sort 480 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: of belief in spiritual Yes, exactly. And then just just 481 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: to wrap this up, just wanted to I've got this 482 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: giant alphabetical list and I'm gonna kind of just skip 483 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: around a little bit. But uh, just some some high 484 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: you know, highly influential and uh big deal folks who 485 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: who were Mason's and we know this Abbott Bud uh Bud. 486 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: William Abbott of Abbott and Costello fame was a Mason 487 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: Um buzz Aldrin. It was, in fact a Mason, the 488 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: second man to walk on the moon. Let's see, we've 489 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: got Gerald Ford, who was a president. We know Henry Ford, 490 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: automobile pioneer, of course. Let's see. Just you, you, just you. 491 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: You throw a pin at this list and you're gonna 492 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: find somebody influential. Joseph Smith, the founder of the Church 493 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints a k a. 494 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: The Mormons. Isn't that interesting? I do love the idea. 495 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: This is infascinating to me, and I think we've already 496 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: kind of expressed why this is. But it's interesting. I 497 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: think of Masonry as being all about these clandestine kind 498 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: of rights and um, you know, rituals, and to me, 499 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 1: that would kind of fly on the face of being 500 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: a Christian or someone who's very closely identifies with you know. 501 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: But no, that's not the case. They can they their 502 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: hand in hand, and one doesn't necessarily require the other. 503 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: We talked about that, right. One of the only things 504 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: you have to have is a belief in a higher power, 505 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: and it does not matter what that higher power is 506 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: in your mind, as long as you believe that there 507 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: is one. However, Freemasons have been enemies of UM, have 508 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: been enemies of dogmatic, oppressive religions uh, and in the 509 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: past have been enemies of oppressive governments. I mean, look 510 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: at look at the French Revolution, look at how many 511 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: founding fathers of the United States were affiliated with Freemasonry. 512 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: It's it's kind of a there's something collegiate and salon 513 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: like about it, the idea of the free exchange of 514 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: concepts and being able to say, well, you know, I 515 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: I'm not on board with this whole Catholicism thing and 516 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: not go to church jail or whatever lose I like that. 517 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: Well that's what they call it. You know. It's one 518 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: of many Enlightenment organizations like the Rosa Crucians or the 519 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: you know, UM, there's many very what do we talk 520 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: about the Order of the Pug Remember that one the 521 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: pug one from ridiculous history or he kissed the Pugs 522 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: butts That was a French Wasn't that a French backlash 523 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: against freemac Like Freemasonry was outlawed in France, and so 524 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: they made this other organization. U Voltaire was a Freemason UM, 525 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: a very influential and French philosopher who wrote about oppressive 526 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: governments and oppressive systems. So uh, interesting stuff, guys, um 527 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think that that does it for this one. 528 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: Did you know George Clinton was a Freemason of Parliament 529 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: funkadelic No, the third Vice President of the United States? 530 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: Who am I thinking out? I just did it because 531 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: I knew you would think about that, George Clinton. Sorry, 532 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: I want to he's he's a Mason of Funk. That's 533 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: I mean. I think a lot I think a lot 534 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: of people would, um well, would agree that there there's 535 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: tangible benefit uh to these organizations, both for the individuals 536 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: involved and for often for the communities right in which 537 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: those uh those lodges exist, like to the point about 538 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: the Shriners and funding medical care for for the medium 539 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,719 Speaker 1: for children. I think I think they get vilified sometimes, 540 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: like we never did an episode on the Anti Masonic Party, 541 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: which confirms my standing theory that if you want, uh, 542 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: if you want something like that, like a political part 543 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: or religion, to be successful, you have to be aspirational 544 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: and offering something. You can't found a party just against something. 545 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: What do you do when that's god? You know what 546 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: I mean? Like no war, Polar Bears, club. The Polar 547 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: Bears are extinct. Uh, but we already spent all this 548 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: money on the on the chips and dip in the catering. 549 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: So we're still going to get together. Wow, that's really 550 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 1: that's really great. But example, but this is this is 551 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 1: something relevant at some point everybody listening right now we're 552 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,320 Speaker 1: watching this, go out find a list of the former 553 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: Supreme Court justices within the United States that were or 554 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,720 Speaker 1: are members of Free and Accepted Mason's. It's just interesting 555 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: to see, Like, when it comes to law and politics, 556 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: Ben as you as you noted earlier, a lot of 557 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: people who are in government are are a part of 558 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 1: this organization. Would I be correct in assuming that many 559 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: of them who were Freemasons would be more on the 560 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: progressive tip than conservative or is there really not much 561 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: of a line there? It's not much of a line. Honestly. 562 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 1: It's tough because the definition of what is or is 563 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 1: not considered conservative or progressive has changed so much over 564 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: just a few centuries, you know, Like, of course, we're 565 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,360 Speaker 1: not that far away from the time when um women 566 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,280 Speaker 1: voting was considered to be like this radical, extreme idea. 567 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,240 Speaker 1: What's next, We're gonna blow up the moon and then later, 568 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: you know a few decades ago we thought about doing 569 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: just that. Well, the most important former Freemason to me 570 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: is is clearly Robert Pershing Wadlow, the tallest human on record, um, 571 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: who I believe was the guy that that you you'll 572 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 1: see a sculpture of outside most Ripley's, believe it or not, 573 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: locations the world over. And I think Handsome Family as 574 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 1: a as a beautiful heartbreaking song about him. I did 575 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 1: not know he was a Mason, but it makes sense also, Matt, 576 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't want to keep us going too 577 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,800 Speaker 1: long on this, but to the point you raise about 578 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 1: the justices, I would ask, is it possible that people 579 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: at the higher levels of government or maybe higher levels 580 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: of business as well, just tend to do more extracurricular activities? 581 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: You know? Are they also like uh yeah, are they 582 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: like big in their h o A. Do they go 583 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:39,359 Speaker 1: get like public notary certification because they just like the certificate? 584 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: I mean? Are they members of toastmasters as well? Rotarians? 585 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 1: Probably philanthropic organizations? Yeah, yeah, the whole nine, all the 586 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,319 Speaker 1: good ones. It certainly is encouraged. You know, when you're 587 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: in school, I gotta get those extra curriculous up to 588 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 1: get into a good college. Well, it makes sense, but 589 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,800 Speaker 1: we we're talking about the differences in our geologies within 590 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,320 Speaker 1: within members of freemasony. Think about this. The first director 591 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: of the FBI, j Edgar Hoover, the guy who called 592 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 1: Martin Luther King Jr. I think I can't tell you 593 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: the exact quote, but the most dangerous man essentially within 594 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,839 Speaker 1: the United States at one point in time. Um, the 595 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 1: person who instituted co intel pro and spying on people 596 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 1: who were attempting to capture their civil liberties in equality. 597 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 1: That guy was a freemason. Also, Uh, someone who was 598 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 1: on the other side fighting for civil rights, Reverend Jesse 599 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: Jackson was a freemason or is. It's just really interesting 600 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 1: to me that you can have this wide swath of 601 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: belief in things that you would fight for and the 602 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: presidents skull and bones. Think about that. No, that's a 603 00:37:56,040 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: good point. Also like strong thermendos and notoriously, Uh, Dixie 604 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: kratt Um the Republican senator who from from the state 605 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: of Georgia. If I'm not mistaken, I hope he's a 606 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,879 Speaker 1: bad guy, bad bad guy. Um. Last one, and then 607 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 1: we definitely moved on. But there's a lot of interesting 608 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 1: names here to talk about. Is uh this is decided 609 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 1: was not aware of this? Just as like a little 610 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: bit of trivia. Uh, William Howard Taft who was not 611 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 1: only the President of the United States but also held 612 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,280 Speaker 1: the position of Chief Justice of the U. S. Supreme Court, 613 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: and he's the only man ever to have headed up 614 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,280 Speaker 1: these two uh, two branches of US government. Only president 615 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: to be stuck in a bathtub as well as true 616 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 1: and just as a counterpoint, you know who else, Richard 617 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:51,399 Speaker 1: pryor H Well, we'll we'll pause here. Uh. Please keep 618 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: writing to us with your inside experiences with uh, with 619 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: the Freemasons. We would love to hear about your time 620 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: in a Masonic order, whatever you're comfortable sharing with us. 621 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: Most importantly, let us know if for some reason it 622 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,360 Speaker 1: needs to be anonymous. Let us know about pointer fitters, 623 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 1: and uh, let let us know about what the miss 624 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: what the like, what the red line misdemeanors are? You know? 625 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: And uh, how late can our library books be? Etcetera. 626 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 1: But if you want to learn a little bit more, 627 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,280 Speaker 1: do check out our past episodes. Check out our YouTube 628 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: channel YouTube dot com slash Conspiracy Stuff, where we also 629 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,479 Speaker 1: explore things like Albert Pike and a couple of other 630 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 1: things will be of interest to people who want to 631 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 1: learn more about Masonic history. And shout out to in 632 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:43,720 Speaker 1: support Lodge, also Blue Lodge for life the Blue Lodge, 633 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:53,319 Speaker 1: because that just makes me think of Twin Peaks. And 634 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:58,800 Speaker 1: we are back to examine what is sometimes called a 635 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:04,840 Speaker 1: life stage an organization and sometimes called a branch of 636 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:11,719 Speaker 1: rather secretive. I'll just say it's Scientology. Okay, we've got this. 637 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: We've got an email. I've got an email from Cliff Sea. 638 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 1: I want to give this to everybody and then we'll 639 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,320 Speaker 1: we'll follow up on it. Okay, so Cliff, you said hello. 640 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,319 Speaker 1: Back in two thousand twelve, I went through a nark 641 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,840 Speaker 1: An addiction program in the mountains of southern California. Scientology 642 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,040 Speaker 1: uses these programs to recruit people at their lowest and 643 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: most vulnerable points. The entire program is based on teachings 644 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: by Hubbard, by which means l Ron Hubbard, the founder 645 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,840 Speaker 1: of first Dianetics, and then when he got sued, the 646 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,720 Speaker 1: founder of Scientology. This is a topic worth diving into, 647 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: says Cliff. But as I don't know if you will 648 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 1: read this, I'll just give you bullet points for now 649 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 1: in a list these, and they're fairly brutal. One, they 650 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: lock you in a cabin in the desert, telling you 651 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: that you may leave, but they will follow you with 652 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,880 Speaker 1: water and only give it to you if you come back. 653 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,799 Speaker 1: They will not call your family or help during the 654 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,359 Speaker 1: first month. If you decide to wander off into the 655 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,600 Speaker 1: desert too, they say they have medical staff. This is 656 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: staff they have trained and ordained as doctors and nurses. Next, 657 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,720 Speaker 1: they force you to sit silently staring into another person's 658 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 1: eyes for five hours without movement, and then continue for 659 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,400 Speaker 1: five more hours with your eyes closed. If you flinch 660 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 1: or start to doze off, you start again. If you 661 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,760 Speaker 1: question scientology, they move you to isolation until you promise 662 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 1: to stop. They charge families tens of thousands of dollars, 663 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,399 Speaker 1: constantly asked for more money, and say that we don't 664 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:46,320 Speaker 1: actually do scientology here. They monitor your phone calls under threats, 665 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 1: so you cannot say otherwise, and then Cliff concludes. As 666 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,200 Speaker 1: with most rehab programs, they want you to take responsibility 667 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,360 Speaker 1: for your actions, but they blatantly take advantage of this 668 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,720 Speaker 1: to make you feel like a You are low life, 669 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,919 Speaker 1: and they scientology are the only solution. Having said all this, 670 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 1: says Cliff, it probably does help some people, but in 671 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,319 Speaker 1: my honest and clean for many years not thanks to 672 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,319 Speaker 1: them opinion. They scare people away from rehabilitation and make 673 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,319 Speaker 1: folks think it is a form of prison. I know 674 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,640 Speaker 1: this is something that maybe we have heard about before, 675 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,880 Speaker 1: but I don't know if we've talked about Narconon on 676 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,480 Speaker 1: the air with each other. Have we? We haven't have 677 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:32,120 Speaker 1: we I can't remember a time unless it was No. 678 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,000 Speaker 1: I don't think our drugs in the military would have 679 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 1: covered it, or our hallucinogens in medical research. No. I 680 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,799 Speaker 1: think this might be the first. Yeah. So it's weird 681 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,960 Speaker 1: because both the Church of Scientology and Narconons say that 682 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:50,880 Speaker 1: it's a secular program. It's completely independent of the religious 683 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 1: teachings of Scientology. But it seems like many people, many 684 00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 1: people are disillusioned with Narconon or have family members who 685 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 1: have gone through that program. They they argue the opposite. 686 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,800 Speaker 1: They say it's a front group for Scientology with the 687 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,400 Speaker 1: ultimate name of recruiting people. What do you guys think 688 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:13,560 Speaker 1: about that? Well, is it actually in any way associated 689 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:18,799 Speaker 1: with Scientology? Yes, it is. Yeah, it is like officially 690 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 1: as an Organizationally, it's parent company is something called the 691 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,600 Speaker 1: Association for Better Living and Education Way for Able and 692 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,120 Speaker 1: Able is owned and controlled by the Church of Scientology. 693 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,920 Speaker 1: So it's like a subsidiary of a subsidiary, which means 694 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 1: they could argue, you know, of course that we exist 695 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 1: independent of that. We just have our our roots there. Yeah, 696 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,359 Speaker 1: if you go to scientology dot org, they have a 697 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 1: whole section on drug rehabilitation and prevention. And that's the 698 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,879 Speaker 1: thing that's that's what makes Scientology a bit you know, insidious, 699 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,240 Speaker 1: is they they they appeal to people at their lowest 700 00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,719 Speaker 1: either professionally or they're trying to get a foothole. I 701 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,200 Speaker 1: moved to Hollywood and you know, they're trying to like 702 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,000 Speaker 1: become an actor or a screenwriter or whatever. And that's 703 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 1: the story you always here. But this is even more predatory, 704 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,040 Speaker 1: whereas people that are truly at their lowest points and 705 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,719 Speaker 1: perhaps come from wealthy families or are able to pay 706 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,359 Speaker 1: the money that it tastes because rehab ain't cheap. UM. 707 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,960 Speaker 1: I always assumed Narconon was like Alanon, and then it 708 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,279 Speaker 1: was just another type of meeting that you go to UM. 709 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 1: And then it was like a family situation that it 710 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:33,279 Speaker 1: wasn't like rehab exactly. But this is really news to me. 711 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:39,040 Speaker 1: Alanon um Alcoholics Anonymous rather, I'm sorry that's different too, 712 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:43,840 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, Alanon's separate from Alcoholics Anonymous, but I 713 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,799 Speaker 1: think it was UM. I don't think they're in co 714 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,400 Speaker 1: hoots or in uh conflict with one another. And I 715 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 1: think Narconon So Alanon's founded in nineteen fifty one, right, 716 00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:03,320 Speaker 1: Narconon was founded in nineteen sixties six, So without sounding conspiratorial, 717 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:08,920 Speaker 1: is it possible that Hubbard made a similar name, you know, 718 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,080 Speaker 1: on purpose as a marketing or brand recognition thing. And 719 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,600 Speaker 1: the more I've read about Narconon, the more I see 720 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:23,440 Speaker 1: problems with just their treatment. In an official for the 721 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,360 Speaker 1: Church of Scientology said that Narconon's rehabilitation programs are based 722 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,799 Speaker 1: entirely on the tenants and teachings of scientology. And you 723 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:37,839 Speaker 1: know what that means, no psychotherapists, psychologists. Yeah, that's something 724 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,360 Speaker 1: that I wish you would have gotten into with UM 725 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,719 Speaker 1: with Mike on that so we didn't really talk about 726 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:47,799 Speaker 1: the aversion to psychologists and and and psychiatry. And I 727 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,319 Speaker 1: could probably guess why it is because it gives you 728 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:56,080 Speaker 1: agency over people gas lighting you, and and the tools 729 00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,960 Speaker 1: to cope with abusers. Yeah, that's just my two sets. 730 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,279 Speaker 1: Someone why that might be. Of course, there's there's there's 731 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,840 Speaker 1: a whole mythology wrapped up in it within the teachings 732 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,840 Speaker 1: of scientology. It's fascinating stuff. I had no idea about 733 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:14,760 Speaker 1: this connection though, Like with Narconon and scientology zero oh yeah, yeah. 734 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,120 Speaker 1: If you look at their website, I was just I 735 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,480 Speaker 1: went to narconon dot org and I was looking around 736 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,399 Speaker 1: trying to find something that says scientology on it on 737 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:27,680 Speaker 1: their main page. I did a quick little apple F 738 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:32,680 Speaker 1: for scientology and you know where I found it? Nowhere. 739 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,560 Speaker 1: It's not on there. It's not on that front page. 740 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,280 Speaker 1: It does not say scientology anywhere, at least in something 741 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:42,000 Speaker 1: that is searchable, And I can't find it anywhere in 742 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,640 Speaker 1: like an image or something, you know, maybe just be 743 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,719 Speaker 1: invented in an image. But if you go all the 744 00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:51,480 Speaker 1: way to the bottom under our history, our technology, and 745 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,799 Speaker 1: you go to about Narconon, then you do a little 746 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,279 Speaker 1: apple F for scientology. There, you know what you find, 747 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:05,959 Speaker 1: zero identifiable mentions of scientology. But if you go all 748 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,160 Speaker 1: the way down again underneath there's a subheading under about 749 00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:14,439 Speaker 1: Narconon Global Mission fifty years saving lives blah blah blah 750 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,719 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Oh here it is l Ron Hubbard. Uh, 751 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:24,359 Speaker 1: there we go. There, we got them talk about talk 752 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,160 Speaker 1: about the stuff they don't want you to know, right'. 753 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,000 Speaker 1: I've wanted to do, you know, peep behind the curtain. 754 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,760 Speaker 1: I wanted to do for a number of years an 755 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:39,520 Speaker 1: episode on problems with rehabilitation programs throughout history and Arknon 756 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,920 Speaker 1: has been in my like on my radar for a while. 757 00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,000 Speaker 1: But it's tricky because we want to make sure that 758 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,680 Speaker 1: we're not first off, we're not giving people medical advice 759 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:55,560 Speaker 1: or legal advice, and secondly that we're not like, I 760 00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,960 Speaker 1: don't want us to do anything that would stop someone 761 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,360 Speaker 1: who needs help. I'm going to a rehabilitation center. You know, 762 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,600 Speaker 1: that's that's such an important thing. But also, you know 763 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,840 Speaker 1: the thing about Narconon, Like, here's one of the weirdest 764 00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,320 Speaker 1: things about them in terms of their treatment. Have you 765 00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:16,480 Speaker 1: guys heard of nias like nias and bombs. This is 766 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,319 Speaker 1: where some of that comes from. M Yeah, there would 767 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:25,320 Speaker 1: dose somebody with four thousand milligrams a day of niacin uh, 768 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:31,479 Speaker 1: and this is meant to This is like part of 769 00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:37,400 Speaker 1: a vitamin mineral supplement regimen that is supposed to address 770 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:43,280 Speaker 1: pre existing nutritional deficiencies, uh and help help you offset 771 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,439 Speaker 1: nutrient loss through sweating. But the niacin thing goes back 772 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:52,080 Speaker 1: to Hubbard because he believed niason would increase. I think 773 00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:57,520 Speaker 1: it's free fatty acid and um, like the mobilization of 774 00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,960 Speaker 1: free fatty acid. And then it will help you get 775 00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:07,239 Speaker 1: rid of toxins. So so they would, uh, they would 776 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:11,160 Speaker 1: dose you up with these massive amounts of nias and 777 00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:18,040 Speaker 1: and niacin. Like any other particular substance, it's got a 778 00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,200 Speaker 1: diminishing return, you know what I mean. If you have 779 00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,360 Speaker 1: too much niacin, it can be dangerous for you. I've 780 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:28,520 Speaker 1: heard people talk about using niacin to like spoof a 781 00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,120 Speaker 1: P test, you know, for drugs. Don't know, I don't 782 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,680 Speaker 1: know if that actually works or not, but it you know, 783 00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:35,600 Speaker 1: in the same way that you're talking about the idea 784 00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,239 Speaker 1: that it I think what it does is it like 785 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,279 Speaker 1: causes you to sweat like crazy and causes like the 786 00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,359 Speaker 1: capillaries on your skin to sort of expand and you 787 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,880 Speaker 1: get really red. Um. That's my understanding. It's it's interesting, 788 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:48,480 Speaker 1: though I don't know if it actually works or not. 789 00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,840 Speaker 1: Though it does flush you, it does give you a 790 00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,839 Speaker 1: flush to your skin. It's also banned in Quebec and 791 00:49:56,080 --> 00:50:00,080 Speaker 1: France because of this. You'll see one health agency in 792 00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,560 Speaker 1: Cabec specifically that said they had to shut down an 793 00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:08,360 Speaker 1: arcnon uh and Scientology based rehab center because four separate 794 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,239 Speaker 1: clients have been taken to the hospital due to the 795 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:16,680 Speaker 1: methods used there. Uh. This is stuff like having people 796 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,440 Speaker 1: with addictions go cold turkey off something you know, no 797 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:24,160 Speaker 1: methodone or step downs, etcetera. And then these long detox 798 00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,480 Speaker 1: sessions in saunas that are meant to help you sweat 799 00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,920 Speaker 1: out drugs, and then uh, you know, they pump you 800 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,840 Speaker 1: up with a ton of vitamins which may not always 801 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,919 Speaker 1: be healthy for you. It's also quite expensive, so there's 802 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:44,360 Speaker 1: a question about the profit motive. But yes, in response 803 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:49,160 Speaker 1: to Cliff's email here, Yeah, it very much seems that 804 00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,200 Speaker 1: it very much seems that these two organizations, Narconon and 805 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,719 Speaker 1: the Church of Scienceology are related. The question is how 806 00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:00,279 Speaker 1: independent are they? Uh And and Cliff, do you and 807 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,880 Speaker 1: other folks who have had experience with Narconon feel that 808 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,120 Speaker 1: their ultimate goal was to recruit you into scientology or 809 00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,000 Speaker 1: to help you get clean. Can I read the official 810 00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,880 Speaker 1: I found it. I found it on their website. Okay, 811 00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,600 Speaker 1: so this is at Narconon, which is it's not spelled 812 00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,000 Speaker 1: the way you may think it should be spelled. It 813 00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,520 Speaker 1: is n A R C O N O N dot org. 814 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:28,520 Speaker 1: Just so everyone knows, slash drug dash rehab. Okay, this 815 00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:33,400 Speaker 1: is where you're going, says since nineteen sixty six, superior results, 816 00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,560 Speaker 1: long term effectiveness. The Narconon program is based on the 817 00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,880 Speaker 1: discoveries and writings of L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of 818 00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:45,560 Speaker 1: Scientology religion. However, Narconon is non religious, and a person 819 00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,279 Speaker 1: does not become a scientologist by doing the program. Mr 820 00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,640 Speaker 1: Hubbard was a humanitarian whose works include discoveries in the 821 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,719 Speaker 1: fields of education, mental health, and criminal reform, as well 822 00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,319 Speaker 1: as drug rehabilitation. He began his research into drugs during 823 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,760 Speaker 1: the nineteen season seventies, when recreational drug use had reached 824 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:07,520 Speaker 1: epidemic proportions. He developed technologies to overcome the adverse effects 825 00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:11,200 Speaker 1: of virtually every type of drug. Wanting to help those 826 00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:15,320 Speaker 1: lost to addiction, Mr Hubbard made his discoveries broadly available, 827 00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,919 Speaker 1: and the result was the establishment of Narconon. See they 828 00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,759 Speaker 1: said it, they know what's up. The question is just 829 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,799 Speaker 1: how separate those organizations are, you know what I mean? Like, 830 00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:31,439 Speaker 1: I can't be the only person who uh found out 831 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:36,000 Speaker 1: late night after after a series of poorly informed partying 832 00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:40,120 Speaker 1: decisions that uh, Pizza Hutt and Taco Bell are run 833 00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,800 Speaker 1: by the same organization, you know what I mean, they 834 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,280 Speaker 1: literally split the building in half. That blew my mind. 835 00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,879 Speaker 1: And the song about it is quite good too. Uh 836 00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:52,360 Speaker 1: So maybe maybe that's what That's one of the big questions, 837 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:56,040 Speaker 1: Like when someone is helping a loved when go into 838 00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,200 Speaker 1: a program like Narconon, would they make the same decision 839 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,560 Speaker 1: if they were aware of its connections to the organization 840 00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,319 Speaker 1: known as Scientology. I mean, that's not a ding on 841 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:11,200 Speaker 1: either of those organizations. That's just a question of why 842 00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,840 Speaker 1: that message is not front and center on the website. 843 00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:18,080 Speaker 1: Because Matt, Matt, You're you're really good. You you like 844 00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,879 Speaker 1: have a nose for digging into stuff. We all do. 845 00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,680 Speaker 1: So if it took you that long, I feel like 846 00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,520 Speaker 1: it was. There are a lot of people who would 847 00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,080 Speaker 1: miss it, you know what I mean? Oh yeah, yeah, 848 00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,680 Speaker 1: it was not easy to find that fascinating and there 849 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,000 Speaker 1: we leave it. Thank you so much, Lana, thank you 850 00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:42,120 Speaker 1: anonymous former mason, uh multiple anonymous former Mason's and and 851 00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:46,000 Speaker 1: thank you Cliff for writing in. We can't wait to 852 00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,360 Speaker 1: hear more from you all. I think that we have 853 00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:52,239 Speaker 1: found we have found rich fodder for several full episodes 854 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,480 Speaker 1: in the future, assuming of course, that Big Mickey doesn't 855 00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,439 Speaker 1: get us. That's always a possibility. Or you know, as 856 00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:03,319 Speaker 1: as you said, fair Map, Big Rehab, we would love 857 00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:08,799 Speaker 1: to hear from you, specifically you. We get a lot 858 00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,920 Speaker 1: of We get a lot of folks who contact us 859 00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,279 Speaker 1: and say, you know, I know you always say that 860 00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,520 Speaker 1: you're talking to me, but I never had a reason 861 00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,880 Speaker 1: to write them before. Uh. Yeah, I really have to 862 00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,600 Speaker 1: have a reason, just you know, give us an idea 863 00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:25,759 Speaker 1: to share, share your experiences. Uh. And for anyone who 864 00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:31,680 Speaker 1: is struggling with substance of one or one sort or another. Uh, 865 00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:36,120 Speaker 1: there are multiple resources available to help you. Narconon is 866 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,520 Speaker 1: not the only one in the game. Uh so, so 867 00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,880 Speaker 1: do check it out, do reach out. You're not alone 868 00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:45,759 Speaker 1: and you are worth the effort. Yes, and specifically you 869 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:50,120 Speaker 1: anonymous person who called and left a message about a 870 00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:56,520 Speaker 1: curse and possibly something that occurred where there was a 871 00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,840 Speaker 1: murder and a trial. You know who you are. I 872 00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,480 Speaker 1: texted you and I called you. I just I need 873 00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,879 Speaker 1: to get a little more information from you in order 874 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,359 Speaker 1: to actually talk about it on this show. So if 875 00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,799 Speaker 1: you're out there, look at your text so there might 876 00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,880 Speaker 1: be a weird one and respond to it police and 877 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,600 Speaker 1: if you'd like to respond to us. Of course, we 878 00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,359 Speaker 1: try to be easy to find. You can find us 879 00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,399 Speaker 1: on Facebook, you can find us on Twitter, you can 880 00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,840 Speaker 1: find us on Instagram. 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