WEBVTT - Dominance w/ Caren Browning 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.960 Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.760 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:08.799 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:11.200 These are our stories done done. 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:31.520 Hello, that's messed up? An SVU podcast. I'm Liza Traeger 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:34.680 and I'm Kara Klank. You know what we do here. 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:37.440 We talk about an episode of Law and Order SVU 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:39.680 Special Victims Unit, then we talk about the true crime 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:43.040 is based on, and then we interview a gorgeous actor 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:46.640 from the show. And today we are coming to you 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:49.159 live from a hotel in Cleveland, and we only have 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:50.879 one microphone, so we are sharing it. 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:52.200 And I hope that doesn't sound weird. 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:55.200 We're sharing the mic, we're sharing a little chair, she's 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:59.319 on a bench. We're driving through the beautiful Midwest. Well 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:01.880 it's wild because when we were driving in the southeast, 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:05.240 it was like fall leaves, gorgeous yellows, browns, and then 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:07.720 now it's barren, barren trees. 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:10.480 Thirty three degrees, snow flurries, barren trees. 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:14.960 It's winter here. It is, but I do have fun. 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:17.319 The spinach chart to choke dip at the clubs never 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:19.360 disappoints a fave. 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:20.960 We love it and I'm. 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:22.720 So happy that I got you addicted to Jimmy John's. 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:25.920 It helps my life. I just Lisa, Okay, So we 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:28.600 just got dropped off at this hotel in Cleveland, and 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:31.360 then I was like, I'm, you know, constantly looking for 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:32.720 a deal. So I was like, I'm not paying for 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:34.440 the valet here. It's too expensive. I'm gonna go park 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:36.920 it at the scrush next door. I go park it upstairs. 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:40.200 I come down the doors, take me to the opposite 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:41.840 side of the street that I entered on, and there's 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:43.640 a Jimmy John's right there. And when I tell you that, 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:47.080 I gasped. I went and I almost took a picture 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:49.000 of it. But then I realized that Lisa has already 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:50.160 done this club a bunch of times. 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:51.320 It probably knows it's there. 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:55.240 But I truly acted like I saw, I don't know, 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:59.120 like my favorite restaurant because it's delicious, but no, the 0:01:59.160 --> 0:01:59.840 gas was worth it. 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:01.480 But this area of Cleveland is annoying. 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:04.280 It's like the business districts, like everything closes at three pm. 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:06.320 It's like you got to wrap it up and go 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:07.200 get a Jimmy John. 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:09.360 Well, I had an egg and cheese from Dunkin Donuts 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:11.160 and it was the best one I've ever had in here. 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:14.440 Like we were annoyed in the drive through because it 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:16.200 was taking so long, and then the moment I've been 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:18.800 into it, I was like, Oh, this is high quality, 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:21.320 this is high quality. 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:24.960 Yeah, you're like an aficionado of these things. 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:26.880 Yeah, they should have me on dough Boys. I don't know, 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:27.840 I haven't been on it. 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:29.480 I was trying to think of I couldn't think of 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:30.960 the podcast name, and I was like, you should be 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:32.960 on that podcast about fast food, but I forgot what 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:35.280 it's called. Yeah, it's bullshit that they have not had 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:35.760 me on it. 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.320 But it's also okay because I also know all the 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:41.000 things you know, like chick flake, great mac and cheese. 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:43.240 Like I just know the tricks hips and tricks of 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:45.959 the trade. Not even a trick. It's truly on the menu. 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:48.000 It is huge on the menu. 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:49.240 Uh. 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:51.880 We've been having a great time with everybody coming out 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:54.200 to the live shows. I guess I'll take this time 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:55.080 to do my normal tour. 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:55.560 Bullshit. 0:02:56.200 --> 0:03:00.040 This episode comes out after we've already done Florida, but 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:02.520 at Sacramento, were coming for you in a couple of nights. 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:04.720 We're gonna be there on the eighth, and then we're 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:08.560 gonna be in Dallas and Houston the following week. Uh, 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:12.680 and then don't forget about Philadelphia. New York is sold 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:15.720 out unfortunately, but there's the second show at it in Boston. 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:17.960 There's also Heart for Connecticut in January. Guys go to 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:21.880 Thats messed uplive dot com to get those ticks because yeah, 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:23.400 shows sell out and then you miss out and I 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:24.560 don't know, I'm having a great time. 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:28.680 No, we're having a super super fun time. Wait. 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:31.200 Wait, I was gonna say something. Was it just about 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:32.840 fast food? Though I can't imagine? 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:33.200 Oh? 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:35.360 No, I talked about some of my stories. 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:38.320 But I was staying at the TWA Hotel, which is 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:42.120 in side of JFK, and it's like sixties vibe. But 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:48.040 this bartender loved Elon Musk like I could never have imagined. 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:49.520 And I kept trying. 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:51.720 I kept like making good points of like you can 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:53.040 like him, but there's flaws. 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:55.120 And I told him, I go, I like tons of 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:58.840 bad people. It's totally fine, but he's an idiot, and 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:00.160 he goes, how do you what do you mean? 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:00.880 He's so rich? 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:04.240 I go, is rich the only way you find people 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:04.800 good or bad? 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:06.680 Like it makes no sense. I go, he brought a 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:08.320 sink into the headquarters. He doesn't. 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:11.520 He's surrounded by yes people. He is not self aware. 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:14.440 He's a rich kid. And he he was defending that. 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:14.760 He goes. 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:17.240 Other people don't use resources. There's other people who don't. 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:19.800 People don't work hard enough. And I was like, you 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:23.800 are sucked in. And then he was like, well, if 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:25.560 you were a billionaire, what would you do? What would 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:27.920 you do? And I go, I would feed children and 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:29.760 to make sure Flint had water. Like, what are you 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:31.520 talking about? 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:33.680 I just I just have. 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:37.640 Never met an Elon musk freak before. But he loved Zuckerberg. Well, 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:40.240 I was telling you this that I saw on Twitter 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:41.680 when people were defending Elon. 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:43.640 They were going, you just don't get it. 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:47.920 No other billionaire ever gets on to Twitter and engages 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:50.400 and talks to the fan and engages with the memes. 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:52.680 And I go, oh my god, we're so much more 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:54.880 worse off than I thought we were. These people think 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:57.480 the measure of success is a guy who engages with 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:01.640 the memes. It's too late. Maybe we need him to 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:04.400 take us to Mars I don't know, no. And then 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:06.080 he goes, but he's a genius. How can you say 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:06.640 he's not that smart? 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:09.400 I go, he didn't make the spaceships, he didn't make 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:10.000 the Tesla. 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:11.240 He bought those patents. 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:15.520 He's hiring scientists, he's firing people off Twitter who disagree 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:18.200 with him. I'm like, he comes from money, but also 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:21.080 he's a hypocrite. I go, you don't think it's humiliating 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:24.760 that he's blocking people that make fun of him, firing 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:26.880 people who say that make fun of him on the 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:27.800 internal slack. 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:29.760 The bartender couldn't believe it. 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:32.760 I go, I'm sorry, bro, but all bad people are 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:34.560 men who want to be funny and aren't or have 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:35.200 weird dicks. 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:37.679 I'm like, And then he kind of opened his eyes. 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:37.919 I go. 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:41.680 Every dude wants to just be funny with a great dick, 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:44.960 and when they're not, that's when school shootings happens, that's 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:48.560 when wars start. That's when Elon Musk fires everyone at 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:50.359 Twitter and brings au sink. 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:51.680 I just can't. Oh. 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:54.000 Same with Trump, where it's like the things that are 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:56.520 not as important are the ones that stick in my mind, 0:05:56.600 --> 0:06:01.400 Like when he plagiarized bane in his it's a inauguration speech. 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:04.680 That's when I was like, wait, what's happening And it's 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:07.200 this minuscule thing that now happened what seven years ago? 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:10.760 But I'm still just like the bane, the bane of 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:13.159 it all. It's and same with Elon, Like I'm sure 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:15.520 you know the union busting he did and made people 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:17.520 work through COVID and all that. But to me, I'm 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:19.720 just like, you brought a sink in. You have no 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.800 true friends, you have no real people. You're surrounded by, 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:24.960 yes people, you have not one person in your life. 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:27.039 That's like, bro, that's a bad idea. 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:30.720 But I am kind of liking watching Twitter meltdown a 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:33.120 little bit, like all these big companies losing millions of 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:36.880 dollars because people have billions billions. Yeah, no, I do 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:41.159 love these evil corporations losing stocks for sure, Like people 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:44.160 that have been ripping off people on insulin for decades. 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:46.279 It's like, yeah, I love to see you take it. 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:48.440 And then you have this bartender in a hotel bar 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:53.279 inside of an airport defending these monsters. I just like, 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:57.840 I just don't understand it. I don't understand it. 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:00.880 Like you love Eli Lilly, Like what why you should 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:02.919 not be celebrating CEOs. 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:04.080 I just don't. 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:07.640 But sometimes hustle culture memes pop up, and I guess 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.360 sometimes they're inspirational, but it's like, yeah, I don't want 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:12.640 to wake up at four am. I'm sorry, I don't. 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:14.240 I don't want to do that. I don't want to 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:16.760 like chew On Bark in the office in a different way, 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:19.600 you hustle. Yeah, but my body is in pain. My 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:23.080 knees hurt, I'm falling apart. My throat's on fire, like 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:26.680 I'm pushing it to the limit but not nourishing myself 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:27.200 in any way. 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:29.760 The sole's out of her shoes. You guys, she's got 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:33.640 the foot pain. I don't know what's happening. I just 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:36.520 can't get rid of these sneakers. I'm mentally, I'm like, 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:39.960 it's an immigrant thing. I don't know what to say, 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:42.520 but I do feel like maybe I should stretch. I 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:47.440 don't know, like I don't know how people do it. Yeah, stretching. Well, 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:49.560 it's an age thing too, I think once you're like, 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:52.080 you know, I'm much older than you, So I don't 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:54.760 like to hear that. Yeah, but you know, when you 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:57.120 get older, your body doesn't work. To say, that's not 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:03.880 I know less. You're Jla j Lo's got it poppin. 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:06.320 That's what I'm going for. I want to be the 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:07.480 j Loo of podcasting. 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:10.320 No, I just feel like I'm pushing myself in the 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:11.960 way as I did in my early twenties. 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:15.160 But I'm not in that. So that's what I have 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:15.440 to do. 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:17.680 Yeah, for sure, I don't go out as much as 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:19.680 I used to back them, but I still I still 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:22.960 got it. I would say, I know, hello listener, you 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:25.120 might know that it's you. But she was like, I'm 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:27.320 thirty six. Now I can't go to concerts And I 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:33.679 was like, wait, what go to concerts? Do it? 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:35.800 It's so thrilling. I'm trying to think of stuff not 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:36.480 on the road. 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:39.920 Well, if anyone's listening, I do want a White Lotus 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:43.120 PR package to be sent to me, So I'm really 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.160 I'm really jealous. Michelle Collins posted it and I want 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:48.560 a White Lotus bucket hat If. 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:51.520 Anybody's got the hook up with the PR firm working 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:54.640 with HBO and White Lotus, please Lisa needs this. 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:56.960 Oh and will you if you saw us live, you 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:59.079 know this? But Kara did meet my family? 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:02.839 Yes, Oh my god, I just took the mic out 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:05.000 of Lisa's hands so that I can have a monologue. 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:08.160 I met the family. It was so amazing. I got there. 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:10.840 Lisa's dad stood in front of me and was like hello, 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:13.000 and I was like hi, and I shook his hand. 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:14.640 But then it felt like maybe I should go for hug, 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:16.280 so I just kind of wrapped my arms around him, 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:17.880 and I don't think he really went back for it, 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:20.000 but it was still fun. And then her mom gave 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:22.360 me a nice big hug. And then I met one 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:24.520 of her nephews. So there's only one nephew down, and 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:26.079 I'm meeting him. By the time this comes out, I 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:28.440 will have met him because he's coming to the Detroit show. 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:30.600 So I'm really excited. And I met Bailey the Dog, 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:33.560 so truly the entire family. 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:37.040 But I do feel that you and my sister vibe 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:39.559 like you guys could be friends and hang out without me. 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:42.280 She's great. I think a lot of people would like her. 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:45.280 Yeah, she's a good time. I also feel like I 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:47.360 could hang out with Colin without you. 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:49.319 You absolutely good. You've already hung out with my cousin 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:50.800 without me. Am I one of my best friends from 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:51.880 elementary school without me. 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:55.800 Wait where Jed. Oh yeah, Jed, But who's your cousin. 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:58.360 Didn't you meet Sebastian? Yeah, but we didn't hang out 0:09:58.400 --> 0:09:59.320 without you. You were there. 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:01.480 I thought that I thought you met him the night 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:04.680 with Jed. Sorry, well it's minutes away from happening. 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:06.680 No. 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:09.439 And I like the idea of having a friend named Bash. 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:12.040 But my dad was not on his best behavior. He 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:14.240 is old, he was drunk and he did have to 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:20.720 nap sitting up. It was strange, but everyone else was exciting. 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:23.240 And then she met my nephew who loves to work out. 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:25.680 Yeah, and I was like, he's a jacked little fourteen 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:29.000 year old. He's very muscly. But I also ate a 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:31.240 lot of that food was really good. Lisa's mom is 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:33.360 like just slaves in the kitchen. 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:34.400 Yeah. 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:35.920 And then the next day she had to make all 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:38.920 my nephew's favorite foods to bring to him to college 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:39.760 for his birthday. 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:42.560 But she made how many dishes? There was like ten 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:43.280 dishes on the. 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:46.480 Table full Thanksgiving And this was a Sunday night, a 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:51.680 random Sunday, Yeah, random Sunday. Two beet salads and multiple 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:55.320 beet salads, delicious bread with like an onion, no to 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:57.200 a garlic creamy cheese dip. 0:10:57.280 --> 0:10:59.640 Oh my god, that was so good. I loved the 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:03.920 potato salad thing too, Olivia. It's my favorite, Olivia, I 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:05.200 crave all the time. 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:07.079 And it's supposed to come with peas, but I hate peas, 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:09.760 so we changed the recipe for me. You know, I yeah, 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:13.760 that was really good. Peace suck, dude. Peas are awesome. 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:16.480 We just pulled an audience the other day. It was 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.040 fifty to fifty. I fucking love peas. I asked them 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:20.559 to be added to my mac and cheese when I'm 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.960 in restaurants. If I'm ordering mac and cheese and Lisa 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:25.960 hates them, I think they're so good. I think they're sweet. 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:28.559 They're like they've got that little that little pop. 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:29.600 When you eat them. I love them. 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:31.680 Yeah, But I'm not a good like. I don't like 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:34.000 lima beans. I'm not in that family. I only love 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:36.160 reefried beans, even a black bean. I'm like, do I 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:36.960 really have to? 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:40.040 I'm a lagome baby. I love a lagome and nuts. 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:41.840 I think my life would be better if I liked 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:49.080 nuts and beans. No nuts and an M and m okay, 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:52.400 a chocolate coating and a candy shell. 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:53.760 But I wish I could just. 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:56.559 Grab a couple of pistachios and be like, nice, Oh 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:59.479 I love that, a little couple of pistachios. 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:00.320 Did you see me? 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:02.079 We shared a barad appetizer the other day. I was 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:04.120 scooping the posastos into my hand. 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:04.760 Yeah. 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:06.760 We went to a place that did have a shooting. Wait, 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:10.079 hold on, well, we were talking about the fuck. 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:11.400 We were there. Just to clarify. 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:14.160 We got wanded on the way in, like with security, 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:15.840 and we were like, what's going on? We were just 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:17.760 here and it wasn't like this, And the girl in 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:18.640 the elevator with us. 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:20.559 Goes there was a shooting a few weeks ago. 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:22.560 We were like, oops, if they were If we were 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.520 at a live shooting and we just brushed off that fast, 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:30.880 I'm shooting, it would be so fucked up. No, we 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:35.360 were talking about not Oh I learned macaroons or macarons. 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:38.679 Yes, so macaroons are like to me, are they Jewish? 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.120 Because I always remember having them with you? No, you're right, no, yeah, yeah, 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:44.240 like they're like from past over. They're like they are 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:49.040 like a coconut sort of dense cookie dumplingy type thing. 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:54.000 And then a macarn is like those instagrammable different colors 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:56.760 like French cookie sandwiches. 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:57.480 They're different. 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:01.559 Yeah, and so thank you too who brought us Makaran's. 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:05.520 I did really enjoy it and I have enjoyed. This 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:07.600 is fun together in a room. This never happened. 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:10.760 We never do this. 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I love this episode even 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:12.280 though it's sick. 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:13.920 Okay, it is. 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:18.200 Sick, but there's twists and turns and yatties and legends. 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:22.520 Yeah and yeah, yeah a lot of hotties and legends. 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:27.000 So we once again open up on a couple rushing 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:29.640 somewhere and complaining like this is New York City's a 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:31.360 couple's being like, well, if a cab driver it just 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:33.480 told me, gone the way I said, or like well 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:36.240 if you had taken this, you know the role for us. 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:40.400 This is what this is what casting is. Fucking yeah, like. 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:43.200 We need to be bickering. And then we stumble upon 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:45.600 a b dat. Yeah, it's like who's paying for what? 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:47.960 You're looking at a receipt or walking out of a restaurant. 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:49.360 I go stop being like this. 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:57.800 I'm like, can you just add movie perfect? Yeah, David Gratziano, 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:00.800 let's get to it. Yeah, bust the moon. There's nothing 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:01.320 to it. 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:05.080 So this couple is rushing up to like a Brownstone, 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:08.200 it's winter New York. They're like talking about a like 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:09.680 the cab driver didn't take the way he said, and 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:11.440 the girl's like, well, we should have just taken the subway. 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:13.240 This is me and Jared, because Jared always wanted to 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:15.040 take cabs. I always wanted to take the subway. And 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.560 the guy goes body slamming my way onto the number 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.240 nine with the great unwashed no thanks, and she calls 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.280 him a snob, which is exactly what I was thinking. 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:24.840 And also the number nine doesn't exist anymore, but it 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:27.680 used to be one of my trains. And they buzz 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:29.800 the apartment a bunch of times, and then they realize 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:32.600 the door's open. They hustle in and they're apologizing for 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:35.160 their lateness, and then we see one of the most 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:38.240 intense body discovery scenes I think we've ever seen on 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:41.760 the show. Like the living room is ransacked. There are 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:46.280 four people dead and naked on the ground, furniture everywhere, 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:49.160 blood splatter all over the place, and I mean, I 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:51.480 guess it's good that the boyfriend's a snob, or they 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:54.520 would have been two of the other bodies like him 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:56.920 being a snob about taking a cab save their lives. 0:16:56.960 --> 0:17:01.720 So you know, maybe I should thank Jared. So next scene, 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:05.800 we see Detective Dave Duthorne, who's played by Eric Palladino, 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:09.320 who is like a homicide detective maybe in Queens, and 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:11.800 then he becomes like a temporary SVU guy, but he's 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:15.119 only in Damaged and this episode, so but he's a 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:18.679 huge part of this episode, and he's getting the couple 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:21.840 who discover the scene off to the right people as 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:25.040 Stabler and Finn walk up and Duthorn is like, they're 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:26.919 kind of like what you calling us for Duthorn and 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:29.960 he's like, naked women, fluids everywhere, both raped and shot 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:33.359 in the head. This guy must be Manhattan homicide because 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:35.320 it's in Manhattan. So never mind what I said about 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:38.080 Queens anyway, that's why we brought you guys in. It's 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:41.560 like there's fluids everywhere, so Finn goes, that's our bread 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:45.360 and butter. So now we're talking about these people. It's 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:47.439 like the dinner party from Hell with an orgy. For 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:49.639 dessert is what one of them says. They find a 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:52.119 bouquet of flowers that says happy engagement. So this was 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:54.679 like a dinner party to celebrate that. The happy couple, 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:58.520 now unfortunately dead, are Evan and Melissa, and they invited 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:01.199 some grad school friends over to celebrate, and Dean and 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:04.199 Regina were the other couple who are all dead, and 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:06.719 then Duthorne thinks it was a home invasion in Finn's like, 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:08.359 it's got to be at least two perps with this 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:11.359 many victims, and Melinda's like they're taking notes, and she 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:13.359 pipes in to say that like all their jewelry has 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:16.280 been stolen, and that the guys have watchmarks on their wrists, 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:19.000 the women had like necklace marks or maybe like a 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:21.119 sign where the necklace was ripped off, and then the 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:24.159 girls two and a half carrot engagement ring is gone 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:26.520 and both men were beaten with the butt of a gun, 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:29.360 and then Melinda drops a bomb like she always does 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:32.280 to take us into the credits. The men were also raped. 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:37.000 Done done, it's credit time. Boom boom boom boom boom 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:40.360 boom boom. Okay, So now we're at the morgue and 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:42.960 Melinda is telling us that all of the violence was 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:46.080 pre mortem, like sometimes like I like when she tells 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:48.040 us like, oh, don't worry, all of the gross shit 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:50.320 you're seeing happened after they were dead, but not this time. 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:52.760 She's like, Nope, they felt it all. And Melinda is 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:54.840 showing them some pubes on her computer, and. 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:57.520 It's always with Melinda, like the weirdest things where it's 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:00.320 like no sud in an nostril and it's like who okay, 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:05.080 Like it's always the wildest example of how she knew 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:06.360 that they were dead first too. 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:09.760 Yes, yeah she could always. Yeah, She's like, see this laceration, 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:12.680 it's not really bleeding because they were already dead or whatever. Yeah, 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:16.320 Melinda is showing them some pubes on her computer, and 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:19.479 it looks like Evan's hairs were found not only on 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:22.560 his fiance but on the other male victim, So it 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:25.040 looks like the purps forced them to rape the women 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:28.639 and then each other, which is wild. And I'm like, damn, 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:31.399 that couple was really really late to this dinner, like 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:34.760 a lot went on, Like this was a crime that 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:37.200 went on for a very long ass time. These people 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:41.520 were extremely late for dinner at the precinct. Daddy Craigan 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:43.720 is like breaking it all down. The townhouse where this 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:47.600 all happened belongs to Earl Briggs, CEO of Happy Time Toys, 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:49.600 which sounds like it's going to go somewhere because it 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:50.040 says for. 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:50.920 You, but it doesn't. 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:53.720 Evan, one of the murder victims, was his son, and 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:55.480 he lived there with his fiance and no one else. 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:57.600 How lovely to live in a townhouse that your millionaire 0:19:57.600 --> 0:20:00.520 father is paying for on the Upper West Side. Earl 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:03.600 is worth fifty million, but nothing else points to him 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:04.280 being targeted. 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:05.320 All the victims are clean. 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:07.560 They all come from wealthy families and have entry level 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:11.840 jobs in media. Perfect Finn's got some info. He's like, 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:14.520 it's only one perp. They found bloody footprints, all from 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:17.240 the same shoes. They also checked ViCAP and they can't 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:21.080 find a similar mom anywhere. Craigan cannot believe this dude 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:23.359 came out of nowhere, and Huang's like, no, he's probably 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:26.760 been in the system before, like sexual assault, rape, burglary. 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:29.680 And Duthorn's like, yeah, it's a pretty big jump to this, 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:33.200 like forced raping and massacre, a massacre at a townhouse, 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:36.520 like what set him off? And Huang's like, probably one 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:39.119 of the victims said something to challenge his masculinity. The 0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:41.399 rape was to humiliate them, and killing them was a 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:44.360 power trip. And he said, if this guy's a sadist, 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:46.480 he probably enjoyed it and he's going to do it again. 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:50.080 And Craigan tells Duthorn, Okay, dude, you're temporarily assigned to 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:53.520 SFU to help with this case, so settle in. Dewthorn 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:55.960 points out that with the four victims plus the late couple, 0:20:56.000 --> 0:20:58.040 that's six people, but the table was set for seven. 0:20:58.080 --> 0:20:59.199 So who's the last person? 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:02.000 So they go check what the toy millionaire Evan's dad, 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:04.200 who's telling them everyone loved my son, no one would 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:04.760 want to hurt him. 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:06.880 I mean, that's what every parent says, to be fair. 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:09.960 But he doesn't think anyone was targeting him either personally. 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:12.240 And he's like, there's some jewelry missing, but none of 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:14.159 it was worth that much. The most valuable thing that 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:16.879 this person took was a framed photo of him and 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:19.600 Evan fishing, and Finn's like, I might have fallen in 0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:21.960 the attack. And the cops we might have it in evidence, like, 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:23.960 we'll give it, we'll check it out, and they say, 0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:25.679 who do you know who the seventh person might be? 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:29.400 And he goes, oh, probably Buzzy aka Paul Dumont, who 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:31.480 just moved back from Boston and they used to go 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:34.680 to camp together, Buzzy and Evan, and the dad actually 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:37.720 just got Paul aka Buzzy a job over at No 0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:39.840 Home magazine and he started there two weeks ago. 0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:44.479 Yeah, that's Buzzy's a definite rich nickname, you know, reminds 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:49.480 me of a Muffy. Yeah, yeah, you're going to meet 0:21:49.560 --> 0:21:50.480 us in the Hamptons. 0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:52.919 My mom's friend does have a friend named Muffy who 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:54.200 I see when I go to New Canaan. 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:58.920 It's a lot rich. Is Muffy? I think pretty rich? 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:02.240 So anyway, now they're at the magazine and the receptionist 0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:04.840 there is being a real Muffy. She's being a real bitch. 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:07.320 She's very unhelpful. She says she can't reach Paul and 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:09.080 she doesn't know if he's in. It's a big company 0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:10.679 and it's not really her job to keep track of 0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:12.640 like who's coming into work and whatnot. 0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:13.679 She calls the. 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:15.800 Editor and is like, they're like, okay, bitch, like we 0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:18.040 need to talk to him, so figure something out. So 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:20.399 she calls the editor and he comes right out, and 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:22.600 she's surprised. She's like, oh, the editor like thinks the 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:25.760 police are important. So he's coming and the editor is 0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:27.840 so New York. He's like, are you the officers looking 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:30.840 for Paul Dumont? I'm the editor, Like it's hilarious, and 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:33.080 then he says he just heard from Paul's parents. There's 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:36.080 been an accident and he's at Roosevelt Hospital and he's 0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:39.719 not looking good. So at the hospital, you said Roosevelt, 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:41.720 Like a true New Yorker, I say Rosevelt. 0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:45.040 Oh did I say Roosevelt? Oh you sure did? Oh 0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:46.840 I usually say Roosevelt. 0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:50.600 So at the hospital, we see Paul on a ventilator 0:22:50.800 --> 0:22:53.359 round the head bandage Lesa's favorite kind, and he is 0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:56.680 not looking good, he said, he They there's a doctor there, 0:22:56.720 --> 0:22:58.480 and she says he was brought in the night before 0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:01.480 with massive skull fractures and the doc was surprised he 0:23:01.560 --> 0:23:03.480 was even alive. They rushed him to the oar to 0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:06.399 reduce swelling, but his prognosis is a bleak. There's a 0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:08.760 lot of damage in bleeding, too much for a fall, 0:23:08.840 --> 0:23:10.959 she said, And they're like, who said he fell? And 0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:13.119 she goes, well, the EMS report said he was drunk 0:23:13.119 --> 0:23:15.320 and fell, But then she shows to them the X ray. 0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:18.760 He's got three radiating skull fractures, which is more like 0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:21.280 being whacked in the head with a blunt object. And 0:23:21.359 --> 0:23:24.600 his blood alcohol level twist was zero, so he had 0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:28.280 had nothing to drink. So at the precinct, Munch is 0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:32.040 explaining what happened. Basically, some patrol from another precinct got 0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:34.399 a call about a drunk at the seventy ninth Street station, 0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:37.760 my station, my old station. He was covered in blood 0:23:38.000 --> 0:23:39.919 and he smelled like he'd taken a wine bath, so 0:23:39.960 --> 0:23:42.280 they assumed he was drunk and fell down the stairs. 0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:46.200 But no DNA puts him at the scene of the crime, 0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:50.120 so he like he was the guy who brought the flowers. 0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:52.399 So they're basically piecing it all together. They're like the 0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:55.359 purpse ses this guy going up the stairs with flowers 0:23:55.359 --> 0:23:58.200 and some wine. They whack him on the head as 0:23:58.240 --> 0:24:00.719 like he falls down. They grabbed the flowers and then 0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:03.800 buzz into the apartment like they're delivering them. The docs said, 0:24:03.800 --> 0:24:05.399 it's possible he made it all the way to the 0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:07.840 subway with a skull fracture before he passed out. The 0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:10.199 bottle of wine must have shattered spilled all over him 0:24:10.200 --> 0:24:12.240 when he was attacked, and that's why everybody thinks that 0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:14.560 he was drunk, But really he was just covered in 0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:18.160 wine that he was bringing his engagement gift, and he's 0:24:18.200 --> 0:24:20.960 actually victim number five if he doesn't pull through. Well 0:24:21.000 --> 0:24:23.400 either way, he's victim number five, but dead victim number 0:24:23.440 --> 0:24:25.919 five if he doesn't pull through. Munch hangs up the 0:24:25.920 --> 0:24:29.439 phone and goes, guess what. Victim six and seven just 0:24:29.480 --> 0:24:30.760 turned up in Riverside Park. 0:24:30.960 --> 0:24:31.680 Done. Done. 0:24:32.040 --> 0:24:34.800 So. Now we're at the park and the couple there 0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:38.320 is Russell and Darlene Weston. They're both fifty one, both 0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:40.800 shot in the head, found naked, just like out in 0:24:40.840 --> 0:24:44.040 the park wild. They said blood was found on the 0:24:44.080 --> 0:24:46.800 women's nether regions. I don't like using that phrase, but 0:24:46.840 --> 0:24:49.720 I'm quoting the show. They found a slug in a. 0:24:49.680 --> 0:24:52.480 Tree, so it looks Diddle or another regions. 0:24:53.320 --> 0:24:55.879 I hate both of them, but I think Diddle is worse. 0:24:56.720 --> 0:24:58.840 They found a slug in a tree. It looks like 0:24:58.920 --> 0:25:01.040 a three eighty, and they're going to run ballistics. I 0:25:01.080 --> 0:25:03.480 know so little about guns, Like you could say any 0:25:03.600 --> 0:25:05.800 kind of gun. I'm like, oh, is that a one 0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:07.720 that kills people better than other ones? Like I really 0:25:07.800 --> 0:25:11.000 know nothing about guns. They also found a key ring 0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:12.920 and the house keys are on it, but the key 0:25:13.000 --> 0:25:15.159 rink is The key ring's kind of like bent, and 0:25:15.200 --> 0:25:17.159 it looks like maybe something was ripped off of it. 0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:18.240 Like maybe a car key. 0:25:18.560 --> 0:25:20.920 Their cash and their cards are all gone, along with 0:25:20.960 --> 0:25:24.800 their jewelry. Six murders in two days, Dumont will make seven. 0:25:25.119 --> 0:25:28.240 This is a spree killer done done. End of act 0:25:28.280 --> 0:25:32.200 one at the precinct. Now, Olivia is addressing this full 0:25:32.240 --> 0:25:34.639 task force of people and tells them add Paul Dumont 0:25:34.680 --> 0:25:37.080 to the lost column. He died an hour ago. Rip 0:25:37.240 --> 0:25:42.280 Buzzy sad seven victims. Both scenes are within twenty blocks 0:25:42.440 --> 0:25:44.560 and Craigan goes, this guy has killed more people in 0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:47.000 two days than the Son of Sam did in four months, 0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:52.280 which is wild because Son of Sam like terrorized the city. 0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:54.959 That's what well I was gonna say. I thought you're 0:25:54.960 --> 0:25:56.040 gonna say what I was going to say. 0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:59.240 Which is like, yeah, he's so fake, like so well 0:25:59.280 --> 0:26:02.640 known movies about him, like laws are made about him. 0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:05.120 Was it because it was the seventies, Like I don't 0:26:05.160 --> 0:26:10.040 understand he's such a famous killer for not? 0:26:10.400 --> 0:26:12.720 I I think he was also because he was like 0:26:12.800 --> 0:26:17.359 going after women who had a specific look, and I 0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:19.399 don't know, and it was like no one knew when 0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:21.320 he was going to strike again because there was all 0:26:21.320 --> 0:26:23.840 this time in between, So I don't know. 0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:27.200 Maybe that's that's what it was. No, no, like where 0:26:27.359 --> 0:26:28.240 how they're going to be sick? 0:26:28.280 --> 0:26:31.040 Because I remember my mom telling me something about people 0:26:31.080 --> 0:26:33.560 like girls wearing wigs. Like girls were like, I think 0:26:33.600 --> 0:26:35.480 I forget if son of Sam went after blondes. 0:26:35.560 --> 0:26:36.359 I think he did. 0:26:36.880 --> 0:26:39.240 And so like my mom was like, I was fine 0:26:39.240 --> 0:26:40.880 because I was a brunette, but I had blonde friends 0:26:40.920 --> 0:26:41.960 who would like wear wigs. 0:26:42.600 --> 0:26:43.840 Damn. Yeah. 0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:47.600 So you know, Craigan goes, you've all got your assignments. 0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:49.399 Let's get this guy. And then we get kind of 0:26:49.400 --> 0:26:52.119 an info dump, like the same gun was used on 0:26:52.160 --> 0:26:53.760 the Westons and the Briggs townhouse. 0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:56.119 So now we've connected these crimes. They're all the same killer. 0:26:56.200 --> 0:26:58.960 The Westons boats tested positive for fluids on the rape kits, 0:26:59.240 --> 0:27:02.800 but no stray. Same mo perp forced them to have sex. 0:27:03.080 --> 0:27:05.879 Missus Weston had bruising on her face like she was 0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:08.320 pistol whipped, and they were like, oh, yeah, he probably 0:27:08.320 --> 0:27:10.400 pistol whiped the wife until her husband got it up, 0:27:10.560 --> 0:27:12.720 and he probably did the same thing at the townhouse. 0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:14.159 So what do they have in common? 0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:16.080 It turns out that the thing that was ripped off 0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:18.920 the keychain was a photo of her grandson, and then 0:27:18.920 --> 0:27:20.879 the purp also took that picture of Evan and his 0:27:20.960 --> 0:27:23.680 dad fishing. Huang is there to weigh in on what 0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:26.640 that all means. He says, these are specific trophies. He's 0:27:26.680 --> 0:27:30.040 trying to destroy happy families. He's probably jealous because he 0:27:30.040 --> 0:27:32.800 had a miserable family life. There was probably abuse, and 0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:34.560 he's going to keep going until we stop him. 0:27:35.119 --> 0:27:35.520 Yikes. 0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:39.760 Now we're at Riverside Park with our girl CSCU Captain 0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:42.400 Judas Cipher, who is telling Monk and this, by the way, 0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:44.360 is her first episode. This is the first time we're 0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:48.720 meeting our girl Judy. Okay, she's telling Munch and Dewthorn 0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:52.520 what is up. They found distinct footprints, two belonging to 0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:55.320 the Westons, one to the perp in work boots. He 0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:57.520 ran from the bodies to this point, and so she 0:27:57.520 --> 0:27:59.160 can tell that he was running because of the way, 0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:01.520 like the foot is angle and so the Westons were 0:28:01.600 --> 0:28:04.280 up on the side sidewalk are purp forced them into 0:28:04.320 --> 0:28:06.120 the park and then they're like, why would he come 0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:08.400 back here where he could be seen? And they think, oh, 0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:10.520 he must have parked his car here as perfectly legal 0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:12.440 to park here. He must be traveling by car? 0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:13.360 This is it? 0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:17.240 Maybe someone in one of these buildings remembers the car. Crazy, 0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:21.000 there's probably a thousand departments that look onto that spot, 0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:22.439 and they're like, let's just see if any of these 0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:24.760 people looked out the window and saw anything for the car. Like, 0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:26.719 it's just crazy that that's what's making the plot move 0:28:26.760 --> 0:28:29.320 forward at this point, but that you know, they do 0:28:29.400 --> 0:28:32.640 that sometimes. Cut to Finn and Dwthorne just knocking on 0:28:32.640 --> 0:28:34.200 one of a thousand doors to say, hey, do you 0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:37.119 remember a car last night? And Finn is telling Dewthorn 0:28:37.200 --> 0:28:39.560 that most spree killers get caught because they can't resist 0:28:39.600 --> 0:28:41.640 baiting the cops. But this guy's not giving them but 0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:45.000 jack shit, he's like not engaging, like, you know, dear 0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:47.720 mister policeman, you could have found her, you know. But 0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:50.960 now they're not having any luck with the door knocking either, 0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:51.640 big surprise. 0:28:51.800 --> 0:28:53.160 So then on this next door they. 0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:55.520 Knock on, a big big man opens the door in 0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:58.160 a Tommy Bahama shirt and he immediately hates them. 0:28:58.200 --> 0:29:00.160 He's like, how do you get past the doorman? Which 0:29:00.160 --> 0:29:00.840 we've heard before. 0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:03.240 We heard that in the episode Families with Stephanie Seymour. 0:29:03.400 --> 0:29:06.760 How'd you get pess the do woman. So his name 0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:09.280 is Rennie Nicks and he is acab as hell. He's like, 0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:11.280 you can't just barge in here like Hawaii five, Oh 0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:12.480 why aren't you finding the killer? 0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:14.960 And he's like, they're like, sir, that's like what we're 0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:17.000 doing right now. So they're like, do you have a car? 0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:19.400 He goes, no, get lost and slams the door in 0:29:19.440 --> 0:29:20.120 their faces. 0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:24.760 So outside, Finn is kind of getting Dewthorne's story, like, so, 0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:26.920 what are you like thirty? How'd you get into homicide 0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:29.720 so quickly? Like get your gold shield? Like to become 0:29:29.720 --> 0:29:32.240 a detective by thirty seems tough, I guess, and he was. 0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:34.960 He basically admits right away. He's like I was neighbors 0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:37.160 with somebody high up, like the commissioner was my neighbor 0:29:37.240 --> 0:29:39.560 or something like that. And so Finn's like, oh, so 0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:42.120 you parash shoot it into homicide and he goes, yeah, 0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:44.120 keep talking about it, and I'll parachute my ass right 0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:46.800 back to homicide. I don't need a lecture. And Finn's like, 0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:48.600 you do your job, You've got no problem with me. 0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:50.360 So it's like Finn wanted to rip him a little bit, 0:29:50.400 --> 0:29:52.520 but it was like, now you're fine. And then they 0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:55.720 are approached by this woman whose name is Brenda, and 0:29:55.720 --> 0:29:58.600 she's like, I'm Rennie Nickx's wife. I'm sorry my husband 0:29:58.640 --> 0:30:01.720 was such a terrible asshole minutes ago. And she says 0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:05.480 she's their magic witness. She says, around midnight, I was 0:30:05.560 --> 0:30:07.800 closing my curtains and I saw a man and a 0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:10.000 woman standing there next to a car, and a man 0:30:10.040 --> 0:30:11.800 got out of the car and walked behind them into 0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:14.120 the park. I didn't see the face, but I remember 0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:16.960 that the car was gold, and from my apartment on 0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:18.840 at least the fifth floor of a building, I did 0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:21.840 see two numbers of the license plate. My eyes are 0:30:22.160 --> 0:30:25.640 supercharged by some kind of uranium. What are you talking about. 0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:27.720 There's just no way you would see this license weight, 0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:30.560 So she goes, I saw that the last numbers of 0:30:30.560 --> 0:30:32.920 the licenseate were three to five. That's my daughter's birthday, 0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:37.000 March fifth. Okay, it would maybe it be better to 0:30:37.040 --> 0:30:38.840 just be like I was walking my dog and this 0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:41.560 is what I saw. Stop that people are paying attention 0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:43.960 to anything out of their windows. It doesn't make sense 0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:46.400 to me, but she goes, I wouldn't know alexis from 0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:48.160 a Lincoln and I'm like, that is strange because you 0:30:48.200 --> 0:30:50.760 are the most observant person I've ever seen. And so 0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:53.520 they bring her into the station and she describes all 0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:55.840 the features of the car perfectly, remembers where the license 0:30:55.880 --> 0:30:58.680 plate was, what the lights did, like how they wrap around, 0:30:58.760 --> 0:31:01.120 like all this stuff, and they identify the car with 0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:04.560 this like car id supercomputer and boom, it's a Ford Contour. 0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:08.240 Finn finds a ninety five Ford Contour on Central Park 0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:11.120 West that was recently reported stolen. So now we are 0:31:11.200 --> 0:31:13.520 at the park Place apartments on Central Park West and 0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:17.440 we've got Ian Summerholder, who people love from the Vampire Diaries. 0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:20.640 He's very hot man. People love him. 0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:22.800 I think he used to date Nina Dobrev from the 0:31:22.880 --> 0:31:26.200 Vampire Diaries and then not together anymore. No, No, they're 0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:31.000 like updating now. Yeah, I'm sure we'll get messages. He's 0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:33.680 very you know, he's very cute, and he's like limping 0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:36.200 and leading the detectives into his apartment and they're like, 0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:38.280 are you al Baker and he's like, no, I'm Charlie. 0:31:38.760 --> 0:31:42.280 I have the update. I have the update live live 0:31:42.360 --> 0:31:47.720 on the pot Live. He smolder Holder. He married Twilight 0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:52.320 alum Nikki Reid. Yes, that's right, Smolder Holder in April 0:31:52.400 --> 0:31:59.400 twenty fifteen, just the head of her Vampires Exit but whatever, I'm. 0:31:58.440 --> 0:31:59.440 Trying to think if I want. 0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:02.200 But they're from separate vampire shows, right, Like he's a 0:32:02.240 --> 0:32:05.000 vampire from Vampire Diaries and she's a vampire from Twilight. 0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:07.400 Like they're separate vampires. She's been in both. 0:32:08.160 --> 0:32:13.920 Oh yes, yeah, I think she's fully in both in 0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:15.960 terms of that. I think I watched their What I 0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:18.640 Eat in a Day. But you know a lot of 0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:19.680 these people blend together. 0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:22.200 Yeah, and Nina Doe brev is like recently married to 0:32:22.200 --> 0:32:25.560 somebody as well, but like who's I don't know, maybe 0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:28.280 not anybody, but uh, yes, they were like a hot 0:32:28.280 --> 0:32:31.720 couple of months when she's with I actually love this. 0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:36.640 She's dating Sean White, the snowboard snowboarder and they haven't 0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:37.400 for a while. 0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:38.560 Yeah. I like that. 0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:42.400 Yeah, I really like him. You've obviously, I think we've 0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:45.000 probably even talked about the podcast. This famous moment on 0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:47.760 TV after he won all those medals. He was like 0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:51.680 on a news program doing the interviews and he's like, yeah, 0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:53.680 and I was on the flight and everyone was handing 0:32:53.720 --> 0:32:56.960 me drinks and they're like, aren't you you're under twenty one, and. 0:32:56.920 --> 0:33:02.880 He goes a mountain dew baby. That's so quick, so quick. 0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:05.840 He was just like so quick to mention mountain dew 0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:06.960 A mountain dew baby. 0:33:07.360 --> 0:33:08.000 I love that. 0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:11.760 But I just love snowboarding and skateboarding as like a 0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:15.680 sport so much because I love that it's like a stone. 0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:18.880 I don't know if they're actually stoners, but I like 0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:22.240 that it's the bad boys, the casual like obviously they're 0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:25.880 working hard and they're athletes, but they still have this 0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:28.000 relatable fun energy. 0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:29.440 So I like those kinds of sports. 0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:31.360 I don't mean to make everybody drink on a Tuesday 0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:32.960 morning when they're trying to get to work. But I 0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:38.000 did work at the Torino Olympics in two thousand and six, 0:33:38.280 --> 0:33:40.320 and I worked on the Today Show and I went 0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:43.200 with Katie Koric to the mountains to do an interview 0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:45.320 with Sean White one, so I met him for two seconds. 0:33:45.680 --> 0:33:46.960 So nice, nice boy. 0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:49.920 Do you remember when Bob Costas had pink eye and 0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:52.120 it took over Olympic reporting forever? 0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:55.479 Yes, that was more recently, not my year, Thank god. 0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:56.360 It's just. 0:33:58.240 --> 0:34:00.880 So he says, Oh, are you Al Baker And he's like, no, 0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:03.280 I'm Charlie Baker. Owl's my dad. And he seems like 0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:05.080 he just does not give a fuck about life. The 0:34:05.120 --> 0:34:08.000 guy is like, you know, limping his wind primary like yeah, whatever, 0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:10.319 that's my dad, Like fuck off, like he does not care. 0:34:10.800 --> 0:34:13.760 And Finn introduces himself to Al played by Franklin Agella, 0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:17.560 a very famous actor the Americans, right tons of stuff. 0:34:17.880 --> 0:34:19.600 He also dated Whoopy Goldberg. 0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:21.080 Hello, and. 0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:24.480 Finn tells him that they're part of the Auto Squad, 0:34:24.560 --> 0:34:26.920 so they're kind of like, you know, playing this guy 0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:29.120 a little bit. And he tells Charlie, you better get 0:34:29.120 --> 0:34:31.200 to work, and don't forget your brother Billy. It's really 0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:33.319 funny to say don't forget your brother Billy, like and 0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:34.960 to name him as if he doesn't know who. 0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:37.520 His brother is. But it's for the exposition of the show. 0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:41.080 And he says, three days ago he brought his car 0:34:41.160 --> 0:34:43.279 to a plumbing supply place in Jersey. When he came 0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:46.040 out to get the car, it was gone, and Finn says, well, 0:34:46.040 --> 0:34:48.080 it was a Ford, so no one wants the parts 0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:49.520 and it was probably just a kid looking for a 0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:51.839 joy ride. We'll get back to you on this, and 0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:54.839 Al's like, thank you, shakes their hands. Right before they leave, 0:34:55.200 --> 0:34:57.480 they ask Al because he's got this big like gash 0:34:57.520 --> 0:34:59.799 on his forehead with two like butterfly stitches on it, 0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:03.680 and he's like, our butterfly bandages. Sorry, and he goes, 0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:06.400 how'd you get that? And he goes, oh, working on 0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:09.320 a sink. I hit it on a cabinet, occupational hazard. 0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:13.200 As they leave in the hallway, duth Thorn's like, occupational hazard, 0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:15.840 my ass. That guy smells like he bathes in Johnny Walker. 0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:19.319 So then they they're like talking shit about these kids' dad, 0:35:19.320 --> 0:35:21.800 and they immediately run into the kids in the hallway, 0:35:21.920 --> 0:35:24.560 still getting their asses to work, and they're like, hey, 0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:26.719 it's a drag you lost your car, and Billy's like, yeah, 0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:28.160 it sucks for my daddy won't be able to pick 0:35:28.200 --> 0:35:30.480 up stuff for the building. And Billy is played by 0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:35.400 Jason Ritterer, Hollywood Royalty, son of John Ridder, married to 0:35:35.440 --> 0:35:39.040 Melanie Lynski. Our a little yellowjacket baby and I was 0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:41.000 in a commercial for Carvana with his brother. 0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:41.719 Lovely guy. 0:35:42.120 --> 0:35:46.000 Anyway, Finn gets a phone call as we're talking to 0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:50.560 the boys and walks away and Duthorn's like, oh, you guys, 0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:52.440 don't use that car, and Charlie's like, yeah, it's a 0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:53.680 piece of shit, Like what are we going. 0:35:53.640 --> 0:35:55.200 To pick up girls with that? Lol? 0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:57.040 They're laughing ha ha ha, and they're like, we got 0:35:57.040 --> 0:35:59.839 to get to work. So they peace out. Fann hangs 0:35:59.880 --> 0:36:02.520 upon and we find out we found the contour with 0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:05.080 two more bodies in it. Boom, Oh my god, so 0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:08.560 many twists. The car is parked in Central Park. The 0:36:08.600 --> 0:36:10.880 steering column hasn't been touched, so the thief had to 0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:12.560 have had a key, like no one was in there. 0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:15.640 Jacket it open with like a you know, screwdriver, and 0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:17.240 the victims are on the ground nearby. 0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:20.200 It's two men named Adam and Craig. They're both twenty two. 0:36:20.800 --> 0:36:23.440 The cash has gone from their wallet, their watches are gone, 0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:26.640 they've been dead six to eight hours. Their clothes are on. 0:36:26.960 --> 0:36:29.400 So was there a sexual assault involved? And Melinda's like, 0:36:29.440 --> 0:36:31.000 I haven't gotten that far yet. But one of them 0:36:31.000 --> 0:36:33.400 has their fly open and they're like, well, this is 0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:35.560 a lover's lane. Maybe they were getting busy, and it's 0:36:35.560 --> 0:36:37.279 like yeah, but why would the purp ditch the ride? 0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:39.560 And it looks like they took Adam's car, a silver 0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:43.080 Accura which is registered in ten Offly, New Jersey. Finn 0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:45.200 and Juthorn go to the house and speak to Adam, 0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:47.720 one of the victim's fathers, and he goes, yeah, Adam 0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:49.440 borrowed the car the night before and we haven't heard 0:36:49.440 --> 0:36:49.759 from him. 0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:51.480 Are him and Greg? And the girl's Okay? 0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:55.800 What girls? Yeah, now we know that there's two girls 0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:56.720 and they are missing. 0:36:56.880 --> 0:36:57.240 Okay. 0:36:58.120 --> 0:36:59.920 Top of act three, we find out these girls are 0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:04.120 Claudia and Diane, twenty one, roommates at Barnard hopefully friends 0:37:04.120 --> 0:37:07.239 with Michelle Collins. They were double dating and with the 0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:09.319 two guys that were found in the park. No one's 0:37:09.360 --> 0:37:11.920 heard from them. They're just in the wind. And Craigan 0:37:12.040 --> 0:37:14.640 is like, fully traffic copy again, He's like, let's check 0:37:14.640 --> 0:37:16.359 credit cards? How we do it on the tip line? 0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:18.640 And Munch always is at the tip line and is 0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:21.920 always like hates smanning the phones and is like, yeah, 0:37:21.960 --> 0:37:24.239 I remember the white van and the DC sniper Like 0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:27.040 they're basically getting all kinds of crazy tips people that 0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:29.160 think that they've seen these cars. 0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:29.680 Whatever. 0:37:30.280 --> 0:37:32.960 Ballistics confirms that these two guys were killed with the 0:37:32.960 --> 0:37:35.759 same guns. So these are victims eight and nine. This 0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:37.520 is a wild amount of people to kill in like 0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:40.920 three days. And Stabler's like, why snag these two women now? 0:37:41.000 --> 0:37:42.920 Like everyone else who they've just like left dead in 0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:47.200 their wake, Andhong's like, they're living trophies and he's probably 0:37:47.239 --> 0:37:50.040 stashing them somewhere, and they're like, well, what's changed, and 0:37:50.080 --> 0:37:52.840 he's like his confidence. He's used the victims as surrogates 0:37:52.880 --> 0:37:54.560 to rape each other, but now he's ready to do 0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:56.879 it himself. And his emma is all over the map, 0:37:56.920 --> 0:38:00.319 the gun the Upper West Side. He targets couples, I. 0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:03.440 Like Ziffa who targeted cousins, though no I saw her 0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:05.600 cousins coubled. 0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:09.120 And he's a loner who has trouble making connections with people, 0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:12.840 so people in successful relationships really trigger him, and kidnapping 0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:15.440 these women is a way to fulfill his fantasy. When 0:38:15.480 --> 0:38:18.239 he's done, or one of these women pisses him off, 0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:20.560 he's gonna kill them. So we were like on borrow 0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:23.040 time right now, and they may just have caught a break. 0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:24.320 Csu has something. 0:38:24.520 --> 0:38:27.640 Now we're back with Jude's cipher and they can't find 0:38:27.719 --> 0:38:30.000 much in the car, but she found footprints consistent with 0:38:30.000 --> 0:38:32.200 the footprints at other scenes, and we know the guys 0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:35.239 between five A and five ten based on the foot impressions. 0:38:35.480 --> 0:38:38.880 And he's wearing these outdoor wear explorers, which are basically 0:38:38.920 --> 0:38:42.040 Timberlin's right, and she says, these are great boots for 0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:44.920 finding evidence because I think they just grab so much 0:38:44.920 --> 0:38:45.880 in their big treads. 0:38:45.920 --> 0:38:47.320 And so she did find some stuff. 0:38:47.640 --> 0:38:51.160 She found wood, it's pine, oak and cherry, as well 0:38:51.160 --> 0:38:53.759 as some fiberglass, so maybe this guy works in construction, 0:38:53.880 --> 0:38:55.919 and she's like, that's what I thought till I found 0:38:55.920 --> 0:38:59.680 the rest. She also found grass seed rye and Kentucky bluegrass, 0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:02.080 so ju Thorn's like, even my old man's not making 0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:03.600 me seed the grass in the middle of winter, so 0:39:03.600 --> 0:39:05.600 it's weird that there'd be grass seeds in his boots 0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:08.120 because it's like wintertime, it's snowing out, and literally a 0:39:08.120 --> 0:39:10.399 bunch of these scenes and so she doubts it came 0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:13.000 from the park. And she also found a common pesticide 0:39:13.080 --> 0:39:16.080 fertilizer and metal shavings like from a key cutting machine. 0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:19.680 Sounds like home Depot, so obviously this is someone who 0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:22.760 works at a home improvement store like home Depot. Captain 0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:25.760 Ziper gets word that the silver Accura suv has turned 0:39:25.840 --> 0:39:28.240 up with another body in it, but it was somebody 0:39:28.239 --> 0:39:30.640 alive who was sleeping in it back. 0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:31.239 At the precinct. 0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:33.720 Live says the suv was found at forty ninth between 0:39:33.719 --> 0:39:37.400 eighth and ninth and Hell's Kitchen. She got a description 0:39:37.600 --> 0:39:39.400 from the unhouse man that was sitting inside of it. 0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:42.120 He said the driver was average height, young, dark hair, 0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:42.800 blue eyes. 0:39:43.000 --> 0:39:44.719 Not really a lot to go on. That's a lot 0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:45.160 of people. 0:39:45.440 --> 0:39:47.560 They're gonna have to canvass every home improvement store that 0:39:47.600 --> 0:39:50.520 sells lumbers. They're only solid lead. Olivia says. So now 0:39:50.520 --> 0:39:53.279 we're at G and C Improvements on Amsterdam. Maybe they 0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:55.120 have canvas ten stores at this point on the show, 0:39:55.160 --> 0:39:56.840 it always seems like they hit the jackpot on the 0:39:56.840 --> 0:39:59.400 first store they go to. They're at GNC Improvements on 0:39:59.440 --> 0:40:01.879 Amsterdam and they're talking to the boss and he's like, yes, 0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:04.120 a bunch of my employees match that description, and he 0:40:04.200 --> 0:40:06.600 just starts naming dudes and then he says Billy Baker, 0:40:07.080 --> 0:40:09.360 and Finn's like, wait, I remember the name Billy Baker, 0:40:09.640 --> 0:40:11.799 and the boss goes, I can't imagine it would be him. 0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:14.160 He's a dream employee. He's worked here for three years. 0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:16.520 He's only been late one time and it was the 0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:18.759 other day he said his car was stolen. Okay, so 0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:22.520 there's too many coincidences happening. Now Finn and Duthorne are 0:40:22.520 --> 0:40:24.759 reporting to Craigan with a headshot of Billy and they're like, 0:40:25.160 --> 0:40:26.080 they explained that the. 0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:27.080 Car was never boosted. 0:40:27.200 --> 0:40:29.480 Billy must have taken it ditchit in Central Park when 0:40:29.480 --> 0:40:31.480 he knew that they were looking for it, and Wong's 0:40:31.480 --> 0:40:32.360 here with the profile. 0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:33.520 Billy is the super's kid. 0:40:33.560 --> 0:40:36.000 He grew up with rich people who probably treated him 0:40:36.040 --> 0:40:39.880 like shit and you know, alcoholic dad whatever. So do 0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:42.480 we pick him up. It's a power game if we 0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:44.440 arrest him. Now, he may never tell us where the 0:40:44.440 --> 0:40:46.520 missing women are. So they decide that they're going to 0:40:46.600 --> 0:40:48.120 sit on him twenty four to seven to make sure 0:40:48.120 --> 0:40:50.759 he doesn't kill anyone, and that let's give him back 0:40:50.800 --> 0:40:53.000 the car so he has some transportation to get going. 0:40:53.440 --> 0:40:55.880 So now Dewthorn and Finn are taking their shift watching 0:40:55.920 --> 0:40:58.759 Billy and Duthorne is reading the National Bugle, which is 0:40:58.840 --> 0:41:01.759 essentially the National Inquirer, and it has the headline I 0:41:01.800 --> 0:41:04.719 had sex with Siamese twins and Finn's like, why do 0:41:04.800 --> 0:41:06.400 you read this shit? And he's like, I have an 0:41:06.440 --> 0:41:10.399 inquiring mind, and I thought that was funny. And Duthorn says, 0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:12.360 the average murders are kind of easy. It's like a 0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:14.879 drug dealer killing another drug dealer. It's a bar fight 0:41:14.920 --> 0:41:17.560 gone too far. You just chase down the who. Sex 0:41:17.640 --> 0:41:19.759 crimes are about the why the city is a three 0:41:19.840 --> 0:41:22.640 ring circus and SVU is the freak show. Put it 0:41:22.680 --> 0:41:24.759 on a T shirt. I mean, that's a great, you know, 0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:27.960 great quote. Finn goes, and you want to be the 0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:30.319 ring master, and Duthorn goes, I want to know what 0:41:30.400 --> 0:41:33.799 makes them freaks. So now boom Billy pulls out on 0:41:33.880 --> 0:41:36.560 the move in the contour and they follow him. He 0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:39.640 pulls over and uses an ATM and he pulls out 0:41:39.680 --> 0:41:41.360 a piece of paper to plug in the pin. So 0:41:41.480 --> 0:41:44.040 clearly it's a stolen card. And it's lightly snowing, and 0:41:44.080 --> 0:41:46.800 it reminds me of like, you know, first nice snows 0:41:46.800 --> 0:41:48.319 in New York, and I kind of like it. And 0:41:48.360 --> 0:41:51.160 they decide to they're like, let's move, like, let's arrest. 0:41:51.280 --> 0:41:53.239 They radio back to base and they all decide like, 0:41:53.320 --> 0:41:55.680 let's arrest him. So he sees them coming and he 0:41:55.719 --> 0:41:58.000 tries to run. They obviously get him, like, don't you're 0:41:58.040 --> 0:42:00.200 so dumb. You're not going to outrun two cops and 0:42:00.280 --> 0:42:02.279 dueth Orm slams up against the car and puts a 0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:04.320 gun against his head, like is this how you did it? 0:42:04.400 --> 0:42:07.080 Making them plead for their lives, and Finn is like, dude, 0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:10.000 chill out, chill like, calm down, and then Finn says 0:42:10.000 --> 0:42:11.600 the ATM will be enough to get a warrant to 0:42:11.600 --> 0:42:14.640 search his house, so you know, he kind of goes 0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:17.239 stabler on him a little bit. And then in the 0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:19.799 next scene they're tearing apart the house but they're not 0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:22.719 finding anything, and Charlie says, you guys are making a 0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:25.480 big mistake. Billy would never do something like this, and 0:42:25.520 --> 0:42:27.960 the dad al says he has access to the whole building. 0:42:28.280 --> 0:42:31.040 We keep the master key in my office, like, and 0:42:31.080 --> 0:42:33.239 his brother pipes in. He's been hanging out in the 0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:35.600 basement a lot lately. So between the two of them, 0:42:35.600 --> 0:42:37.440 they're really not cutting their brother any brakes, Like you're 0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:38.680 not supposed to talk to the cops at all, but 0:42:38.680 --> 0:42:40.239 you're certainly not supposed to like tell them what your 0:42:40.239 --> 0:42:43.359 brother's been doing. And Charlie is like, don't you need 0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:45.319 a warrant or something, and Craigan's like, not if we 0:42:45.360 --> 0:42:48.080 have the owner's consent. Clearly he gives consent because in 0:42:48.120 --> 0:42:50.480 the next scene they're in the basement. They find the 0:42:50.480 --> 0:42:53.440 full mother load, a picture, the picture of Evan Briggs 0:42:53.440 --> 0:42:56.279 with his dad fishing, the grandson on the keychain, the 0:42:56.360 --> 0:42:59.040 engagement ring, a pair of outdoor work boots, like it's 0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:03.040 all there. Dow Thorn and Finn have billion interrogation and 0:43:03.080 --> 0:43:05.239 they're laying out all the evidence in front of him, 0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:07.239 like game over, dude, and he's like, I don't know 0:43:07.239 --> 0:43:09.399 what you're talking about. But he's like not being a dick. 0:43:09.440 --> 0:43:11.239 He's not like one of these cocky killers. Like he 0:43:11.280 --> 0:43:14.640 seems very upset and he's crying and Douthorne shoves the 0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:16.319 photo of the boots in his face and he's like, 0:43:16.360 --> 0:43:17.160 explain yourself. 0:43:17.200 --> 0:43:19.320 This is a one way ticket to a lethal injection. 0:43:19.880 --> 0:43:21.719 And he's like, tell us where the girls are and 0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:24.120 maybe the DA will spare you the death penalty and 0:43:24.280 --> 0:43:26.480 if they die, it's over for you. Don't blow this, 0:43:26.600 --> 0:43:27.960 and he just keeps saying, I want to talk to 0:43:27.960 --> 0:43:30.239 my brother, and he says, I'll tell you whatever you 0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:32.439 want if I can talk to my brother, and they're worried. 0:43:32.440 --> 0:43:34.680 The brother will tell him to lawyer up, and the 0:43:34.719 --> 0:43:37.080 case is bulletproof even without a confession. But we just 0:43:37.080 --> 0:43:39.920 need to find those girls. So Craigan wants Finn, Duthorn 0:43:40.000 --> 0:43:42.520 and Huang listening to every word when the brother goes in. 0:43:43.160 --> 0:43:45.520 So now al and Charlie are there, and Alic's like, 0:43:45.520 --> 0:43:47.560 maybe I should call a lawyer, and Charlie's like, no 0:43:47.680 --> 0:43:49.400 lawyer in the world will be able to help him. 0:43:49.239 --> 0:43:49.600 Out of this. 0:43:49.800 --> 0:43:52.000 Like Charlie's just like, okay, I guess my brother did it, 0:43:52.000 --> 0:43:53.480 even though I said ten minutes ago that he could 0:43:53.480 --> 0:43:55.799 never have done that. And Charlie's like, let me talk 0:43:55.840 --> 0:43:58.200 to him. So now we're watching the brothers talk through 0:43:58.200 --> 0:44:01.960 one way glass. Billy immediately apologizes to Charlie and he 0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:03.000 says he's screwed up. 0:44:03.160 --> 0:44:04.759 He's like, I screwed up? Are you mad at me? 0:44:04.800 --> 0:44:07.480 And Charlie's like, no, you're my brother. We gotta work 0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:07.959 this out. 0:44:08.160 --> 0:44:10.560 This conversation is so weird, the fact that they don't 0:44:10.600 --> 0:44:14.360 flag this conversation immediately. It's a bizarre combo and he's like, 0:44:14.440 --> 0:44:16.239 the cops want you to show them where the women are, 0:44:16.280 --> 0:44:17.960 and he goes, I won't do it. And he goes, 0:44:18.000 --> 0:44:19.600 you have to do the right thing here, Billy, you 0:44:19.640 --> 0:44:22.399 have to be strong, be a man. Billy says, I am. 0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:25.160 Can't you see that. Charlie grabs his arm and says, 0:44:25.200 --> 0:44:27.440 no matter what happens, I am always here for you. 0:44:27.520 --> 0:44:29.640 Then they both say I love you and that's it, 0:44:29.880 --> 0:44:32.799 Like what, like you should just if it was a 0:44:32.840 --> 0:44:34.439 normal brother, he would just go where are the girls? 0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:35.600 Dude? Tell me where the girls are. 0:44:35.800 --> 0:44:37.920 Finn's like he's not going to give a shit, and 0:44:38.000 --> 0:44:40.360 Huang thinks it's strange that he didn't ask for the dad. 0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:43.360 And they're like, well, Charlie is sober and the dad isn't. 0:44:43.400 --> 0:44:46.439 And Charlie comes out and goes sorry. Detectives Craigan comes 0:44:46.480 --> 0:44:49.360 in and says they got two more bodies in Greenwich Village, 0:44:49.480 --> 0:44:52.120 way out of the killer's comfort zone, and Finn's like, 0:44:52.120 --> 0:44:54.640 what the fuck. We get to the crime scene and 0:44:54.680 --> 0:44:57.560 Melinda's giving us a rundown. The vics are Iris and 0:44:57.640 --> 0:44:59.920 Daniel Braverman. They're in their mid twenties. They were just 0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:03.799 ever been is the last name of the family and parenthood. 0:45:04.360 --> 0:45:04.919 That's right. 0:45:04.960 --> 0:45:07.719 I knew. I knew the name from somewhere. So they 0:45:07.719 --> 0:45:09.759 were discovered by their maid. So clearly they've got a 0:45:09.800 --> 0:45:12.239 little bit of money too. She was shot in the head. 0:45:12.280 --> 0:45:13.600 I mean, we have a housekeeper. 0:45:13.920 --> 0:45:17.279 Yeah, comes every two weeks. They say, their maid. 0:45:17.880 --> 0:45:19.960 I never would call her that, Like, what do you 0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:24.279 call her? I say my cleaning person? But yeah, yeah, I. 0:45:24.239 --> 0:45:25.919 Mean I just call her by her first name most 0:45:25.920 --> 0:45:27.840 of the time. But yes, my cleaning person. 0:45:28.000 --> 0:45:29.799 But she if I talk to someone, because I tell 0:45:29.800 --> 0:45:32.080 people a lot, because you know, messiness is one of 0:45:32.120 --> 0:45:34.440 the things that is Cleanliness is hard for me. 0:45:34.840 --> 0:45:36.560 So she has really changed my life. 0:45:36.719 --> 0:45:40.319 I mean, being able to pack and not worry about 0:45:40.320 --> 0:45:42.200 how I'm leaving the place and then have you let 0:45:42.200 --> 0:45:44.080 her in and then come home to a clean place 0:45:44.120 --> 0:45:45.440 has really been life changing. 0:45:45.680 --> 0:45:48.759 Yeah, so I talk about her a lot. But you 0:45:48.800 --> 0:45:52.360 never say you're maid. No, I say cleaning person. 0:45:52.600 --> 0:45:55.520 Yeah, I say cleaning lady. 0:45:55.520 --> 0:45:57.440 But that seems bad. That's why I just said person 0:45:57.440 --> 0:45:59.680 on the podcast. I was lying. I say cleaning lady. 0:46:00.200 --> 0:46:02.440 She is a lady. She is a lady. 0:46:02.640 --> 0:46:06.920 Like when I text her, I'm like Hey lady, anyway, 0:46:08.000 --> 0:46:12.920 shout out we love you. She doesn't listen. But what's up. 0:46:14.520 --> 0:46:16.960 So the girl victim iris was shot in the head. 0:46:17.120 --> 0:46:19.120 The husband, it seems, was shot in the face because 0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:22.120 his apparently his face is like gone and the shooter 0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:24.640 put the gun right between his eyes. The woman was 0:46:24.719 --> 0:46:26.680 rape but the husband wasn't, so it seems like maybe 0:46:26.719 --> 0:46:29.000 the purp did. At this time, they're dead less than 0:46:29.040 --> 0:46:31.680 six hours. But Billy's been in custody all night, so 0:46:32.160 --> 0:46:34.560 could be a copycap, but more likely he had a partner, 0:46:34.880 --> 0:46:37.200 and Wong says, whoever it was, this was personal. We 0:46:37.239 --> 0:46:40.359 need to check into their backgrounds asap. We find out 0:46:40.360 --> 0:46:43.240 immediately Daniel Braverman grew up in the building that Billy 0:46:43.280 --> 0:46:47.040 and Charlie's dad manages like stop going after victims that 0:46:47.080 --> 0:46:48.160 are connected. 0:46:47.680 --> 0:46:49.320 To your building. 0:46:49.360 --> 0:46:53.480 That's crazy. Suddenly Duthorne comes screaming. 0:46:53.000 --> 0:46:54.960 I got it, I got it. Through the hallway. 0:46:55.280 --> 0:46:58.319 He goes same gun, but there are two perps and 0:46:58.360 --> 0:47:01.480 he tacks up two shoe prints. It's the same shoe 0:47:01.680 --> 0:47:04.600 print found at both scenes, but one purp walks normal 0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:05.560 and done done. 0:47:05.960 --> 0:47:09.200 The other one walks with a limp just like Charlie. 0:47:09.200 --> 0:47:11.600 Does ye fit that's not putting in a limp for 0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:15.960 no reason exactly. And also Ian summerholder while hot, I 0:47:15.960 --> 0:47:18.120 guess if you're like a teen and you like vampires, 0:47:18.360 --> 0:47:21.799 has psycho eyes like his eyes like look crazy. Like 0:47:21.840 --> 0:47:23.239 from the second I saw him, I'm like, this kid 0:47:23.239 --> 0:47:25.640 looks like a psycho Like. It's just like crazy that 0:47:25.680 --> 0:47:28.600 anyone would think of these two brothers. Little Jason Rider 0:47:28.600 --> 0:47:31.760 that's like me, it wasn't me, like, has the sweetest 0:47:31.760 --> 0:47:34.080 little face. And then this like psycho boy that's like, well, 0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:36.760 my brother sure did something pretty bad check the basement, 0:47:36.920 --> 0:47:39.879 like it's just crazy. No one like took one look 0:47:39.920 --> 0:47:43.759 at his face anyway. Huang realizes that their convo in 0:47:43.800 --> 0:47:46.920 interrogation was all in act. It was like subtle communication, 0:47:47.320 --> 0:47:49.520 and Charlie was telling Billy to stay strong and keep 0:47:49.560 --> 0:47:53.480 his mouth shut. Charlie is the dominant one dominance baby 0:47:53.920 --> 0:47:57.160 the name of the episode take a drink, So they 0:47:57.160 --> 0:47:59.560 say go pick him up, but go easy. If he 0:47:59.600 --> 0:48:01.720 knows we're on to him, he might kill the women 0:48:01.760 --> 0:48:04.280 if he hasn't already. So at the building they're talking 0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:06.000 to al and the Dad's like, I don't know where 0:48:06.080 --> 0:48:08.080 Charlie is and said his work called and said he 0:48:08.120 --> 0:48:10.840 never showed up, and the dad seems lightly sauced, and 0:48:10.880 --> 0:48:13.279 he's like, oh, you want Charlie for something bad now too, 0:48:13.520 --> 0:48:15.600 But he doesn't seem surprised. He says, if Billy did 0:48:15.640 --> 0:48:17.640 what you said he did, then Charlie put him up 0:48:17.640 --> 0:48:19.920 to it, it's like wait to like now, just be 0:48:20.000 --> 0:48:23.080 talking about that and speaking up. Al says Billy can't 0:48:23.080 --> 0:48:25.359 do anything without someone telling him too. He's never made 0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:27.719 a decision on his own and his whole life. Finn 0:48:27.800 --> 0:48:29.839 flips on him and says, come on, man, we've got 0:48:29.880 --> 0:48:31.920 two missing women and not a lot of time and 0:48:32.000 --> 0:48:34.120 starts kind of backing him into a corner and the 0:48:34.200 --> 0:48:35.759 Dad's like, okay, okay, just. 0:48:35.680 --> 0:48:36.719 Don't hit me. Don't hit me. 0:48:36.760 --> 0:48:38.760 He says it like two times, like he's very scared, 0:48:39.160 --> 0:48:41.239 and he's like, does anyone know where Charlie is? And 0:48:41.280 --> 0:48:44.080 he goes, yeah, his girlfriend, he had that slut work together. 0:48:44.360 --> 0:48:48.000 Okay. The dad is all over the blaze and the girlfriend. 0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:50.080 They go to this coffee shop where the girlfriend is like, 0:48:50.239 --> 0:48:52.319 what are why are you asking me where Charlie is? 0:48:52.400 --> 0:48:54.200 And she's like, because you're his girlfriend, and she goes 0:48:54.239 --> 0:48:56.480 I was his girlfriend. I dumped his ass six months ago. 0:48:56.880 --> 0:48:58.759 He's crazy and it's like, yeah, I've also looked in 0:48:58.800 --> 0:49:02.200 his face. He seems crazy and she goes, him and 0:49:02.239 --> 0:49:05.360 his brother are crazy. She said Billy was cute and quick, 0:49:05.480 --> 0:49:08.280 so she didn't mine when Charlie asked her to break 0:49:08.320 --> 0:49:10.320 him in, So she was having sex with both brothers, 0:49:10.960 --> 0:49:12.520 like just as a favor to her boyfriend. 0:49:12.520 --> 0:49:14.040 She was having sex with the brother to break him 0:49:14.040 --> 0:49:15.480 in on women. So then the. 0:49:15.520 --> 0:49:18.320 Last time Charlie climbed into bed with her and Billy 0:49:18.680 --> 0:49:20.680 and they're like, oh, a threesome and she goes, yeah, 0:49:20.719 --> 0:49:23.120 a threesome that became a twosome and I wasn't one of. 0:49:23.080 --> 0:49:27.479 The two, so yikes. Twist. We're at brotherly incest now. 0:49:27.880 --> 0:49:31.160 Finn and Juthorn are like speechless, and the girl says 0:49:31.239 --> 0:49:34.160 Billy didn't want to Charlie made him. Billy was crying 0:49:34.239 --> 0:49:36.359 so loud that the dad came in and caught them, 0:49:36.400 --> 0:49:38.279 and Charlie threatened to kill all of them if she 0:49:38.360 --> 0:49:41.279 ever told. So that's why she's never said anything. But 0:49:41.320 --> 0:49:44.480 she did break up with his ass. They bring the 0:49:44.560 --> 0:49:47.200 dad in for questioning and he's still lit as hell, 0:49:47.320 --> 0:49:49.440 and he's like, why am I here? I don't know anything, 0:49:49.760 --> 0:49:51.920 and Huang's like, tell me again, how you hurt yourself, 0:49:51.960 --> 0:49:53.920 like with that head injury, and he lies again and 0:49:54.040 --> 0:49:56.399 is like, h hit myself And Duthorne asked if he's 0:49:56.400 --> 0:49:58.480 been drinking and he's like, so, I like a pop 0:49:58.520 --> 0:50:01.160 now and then who cares and Finn screams at him, 0:50:01.200 --> 0:50:03.040 calling him a drunk and he falls off his chair 0:50:03.080 --> 0:50:05.200 and again starts begging don't hit me, don't hit me, 0:50:05.200 --> 0:50:06.920 and Finn's like, I'm not trying to hurt you. 0:50:06.960 --> 0:50:07.799 I'm trying to help you. 0:50:08.280 --> 0:50:10.719 And Huang asks who's been beating you and he says 0:50:10.800 --> 0:50:12.840 no one, and they're like was it Charlie and he 0:50:12.880 --> 0:50:15.440 goes no, And then then they say, well, what about 0:50:15.680 --> 0:50:17.880 catching him having sex with Billy? Did that happen? And 0:50:17.880 --> 0:50:19.920 he says, yeah, he was raping Billy. I told him 0:50:19.920 --> 0:50:22.000 to leave him alone. He laughed at me and called 0:50:22.000 --> 0:50:24.480 me a drunk loser who couldn't keep a woman ouch, 0:50:25.239 --> 0:50:27.120 and then he told me he was going to do 0:50:27.280 --> 0:50:29.560 whatever he wanted. I tried to pull him off of 0:50:29.600 --> 0:50:32.000 Billy and he pushed me away, and then Al called 0:50:32.040 --> 0:50:35.520 him a gay slur which Benngela says in the episode. 0:50:36.040 --> 0:50:38.719 So Charlie hit him again and again, and now he 0:50:38.800 --> 0:50:41.759 hits me every day. Billy has never hurt him. He's 0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:43.680 a good boy. He wouldn't hurt a fly unless Charlie 0:50:43.719 --> 0:50:46.160 told him to. So Charlie put that stuff in the 0:50:46.160 --> 0:50:48.480 basement he stole from residence, and he said he would 0:50:48.520 --> 0:50:51.640 lose his job if he told anybody. So they ask 0:50:51.840 --> 0:50:53.680 is he hiding the women and he says no, I 0:50:53.680 --> 0:50:55.560 don't know where they are. They ask if he's hiding 0:50:55.640 --> 0:50:57.399 Charlie and he's like, you guys don't get it. He's 0:50:57.400 --> 0:50:59.160 going to kill me. And Finn's like, he's never going 0:50:59.239 --> 0:51:00.440 to be able to hurt you again. But if you 0:51:00.520 --> 0:51:03.400 hide him and these women die, you are fucked. So 0:51:03.800 --> 0:51:05.759 he finally gives it up and goes he's in an 0:51:05.760 --> 0:51:08.040 apartment in the building. One of the residents is on vacation, 0:51:08.280 --> 0:51:10.880 and then Lyndell starts crying, sad. 0:51:11.160 --> 0:51:11.720 It's sad. 0:51:11.840 --> 0:51:14.080 I hope Oscar never hits me or Rosie. Actually it's 0:51:14.080 --> 0:51:15.640 more likely to be Rosie, but I hope neither of 0:51:15.680 --> 0:51:19.560 them do. The cops bust in and grab him and 0:51:19.600 --> 0:51:22.360 he won't stop struggling and he yells threats at his 0:51:22.440 --> 0:51:24.759 dad and the dad says, I should have killed you 0:51:24.800 --> 0:51:26.800 for what you did to Billy, and he says, Billy 0:51:26.840 --> 0:51:29.360 hates you more than I do, and then like he 0:51:29.520 --> 0:51:31.640 kind of was trying to reach into a couch when 0:51:31.680 --> 0:51:34.040 he got there, but they grabbed him first. And they 0:51:34.120 --> 0:51:37.120 find a three eighty baretta, which is the exact like 0:51:37.560 --> 0:51:39.960 wet weapon in all of these murders, and they're like, 0:51:39.960 --> 0:51:41.439 this is what you're looking for, and he goes, yeah, 0:51:41.440 --> 0:51:43.359 two more seconds and you'd all be dead. So he's 0:51:43.360 --> 0:51:46.600 like essentially immediately confessing, and he says, you're never going 0:51:46.640 --> 0:51:48.439 to find those bitches. They're going to die and you're 0:51:48.440 --> 0:51:52.160 never going to find them, and he's so scary and creepy. 0:51:52.680 --> 0:51:55.399 In interrogation, Duthorne just keeps asking him where are the girls? 0:51:55.400 --> 0:51:57.120 Where are the girls? And he's like, you are wasting 0:51:57.160 --> 0:51:59.719 your time. I will not ever tell you. And they 0:51:59.760 --> 0:52:02.800 start really going in on the bad copp routine, telling 0:52:02.840 --> 0:52:05.600 him that Al told them everything, and his girlfriend says 0:52:05.600 --> 0:52:06.840 he can't get it up, but you can get it 0:52:06.920 --> 0:52:09.080 up for your brother, huh, And he's like, you can 0:52:09.120 --> 0:52:10.839 think you guys are better than me, Like those rich 0:52:10.880 --> 0:52:12.919 people think you can push me around like they did, 0:52:13.239 --> 0:52:15.640 and he's like, and I showed them. 0:52:15.600 --> 0:52:18.160 And he like he screams it. It's like very psycho. 0:52:18.880 --> 0:52:21.279 And Finn shows the headshots of the girls to him 0:52:21.560 --> 0:52:23.359 and it's like where are they? And he goes, oh, 0:52:23.400 --> 0:52:25.000 if you guys are so smart, why don't you find 0:52:25.000 --> 0:52:27.480 them yourselves, and like drops the headshots and then they 0:52:27.520 --> 0:52:30.320 start roughing him up. Then they bring in Alan Billy 0:52:30.400 --> 0:52:33.200 and Al says, tell them Billy, and he goes, no, 0:52:33.400 --> 0:52:34.320 take me back to jail. 0:52:34.360 --> 0:52:34.839 Like this kid. 0:52:34.880 --> 0:52:38.839 Billy is like fully under Stockholm syndrome, like some kind 0:52:38.840 --> 0:52:43.200 of you know, full sway of his brother. And Al's like, 0:52:43.239 --> 0:52:44.920 I tried to protect you, and Billy says, so I 0:52:44.960 --> 0:52:47.000 could grow up to be like you. Charlie's twice the 0:52:47.040 --> 0:52:48.920 man you'll ever be. And the dad looks very bummed 0:52:49.000 --> 0:52:51.319 to hear that, because that's supposed to be his nice son. 0:52:51.440 --> 0:52:53.279 And then Finn goes, yo, Billy, your brother set your 0:52:53.320 --> 0:52:55.440 ass up. All that stuff you guys stole from the murders. 0:52:55.440 --> 0:52:57.360 We found it in a storage locker in the building. 0:52:57.800 --> 0:53:00.600 And Charlie is like, shut up. Billy's zip it, like, 0:53:00.640 --> 0:53:02.839 don't say anything. And Billy's like, wait, that's not where 0:53:02.840 --> 0:53:05.120 we hid that stuff, Charlie. And they're like, he was 0:53:05.160 --> 0:53:07.879 gonna set you up. He betrayed you. And the dad says, 0:53:07.920 --> 0:53:09.680 I may not be much, but I never lied to you. 0:53:09.760 --> 0:53:12.480 I never sold you out like Charlie did. Only your 0:53:12.520 --> 0:53:14.400 boots were there, Billy, not Charlie's. 0:53:14.600 --> 0:53:17.000 And Billy is like whining, like why did you do that? 0:53:17.120 --> 0:53:19.759 And Charlie's like, be a man, And Billy starts to 0:53:19.800 --> 0:53:21.640 break down, like why did you do that. You didn't 0:53:21.680 --> 0:53:23.839 protect me. You said it was us against everyone else. 0:53:24.280 --> 0:53:26.759 And Charlie goes, don't tell them where those bitches are, 0:53:26.800 --> 0:53:29.880 and he like flies across the room hands and cuffs 0:53:29.880 --> 0:53:32.399 and attacks Billy and says, I'll rip you a part 0:53:32.400 --> 0:53:32.600 of you. 0:53:32.680 --> 0:53:33.080 Tell them. 0:53:33.360 --> 0:53:36.000 And then he confesses everything, and he says, Charlie made 0:53:36.040 --> 0:53:38.400 me kill those people, and he shot those women's boyfriends. 0:53:38.400 --> 0:53:40.759 And then he tells them what they've been wanting to hear. 0:53:41.040 --> 0:53:43.440 The women are on the roof of their building in 0:53:43.520 --> 0:53:44.440 the water tower. 0:53:44.640 --> 0:53:46.920 Oh my god. So when they get to that, this 0:53:46.960 --> 0:53:47.680 is my question. 0:53:48.160 --> 0:53:50.840 Were they in the water like a pool for days 0:53:50.880 --> 0:53:54.600 in the in like cold New York weather, in water. 0:53:54.800 --> 0:53:57.600 I think sometimes water towers are empty because they're old 0:53:57.640 --> 0:53:59.880 and people don't use water towers anymore. I don't know, 0:54:01.520 --> 0:54:03.440 Like I don't know what. Yeah, because I have a 0:54:03.480 --> 0:54:04.440 water tower tattoo. 0:54:04.440 --> 0:54:05.960 It's part of my It's one of my favorite things 0:54:06.000 --> 0:54:08.640 about New York and New York US outside of just 0:54:08.640 --> 0:54:10.560 straight up skyline is Like I love seeing all the 0:54:10.560 --> 0:54:11.760 water towers on buildings. 0:54:11.760 --> 0:54:12.680 I think it's so pretty. 0:54:14.520 --> 0:54:17.560 But then remember when they come out, they're not soaking wet, 0:54:17.880 --> 0:54:22.120 so I don't they're like because they're freezing. I think 0:54:22.160 --> 0:54:25.359 it's just like literally empty and they're just sitting in it, 0:54:25.480 --> 0:54:25.680 like you. 0:54:25.640 --> 0:54:26.440 Even get in it? 0:54:26.520 --> 0:54:29.239 Like is there a door? A code? How do you 0:54:29.239 --> 0:54:30.040 you pop the top? 0:54:30.200 --> 0:54:30.759 Like, I don't know. 0:54:30.800 --> 0:54:33.319 But isn't that where they found the girl from that? 0:54:33.320 --> 0:54:35.120 That's what I was about to say, But she drowned. 0:54:35.160 --> 0:54:38.120 The hotel Seesoul girl drowned. Yeah, so there was water 0:54:38.200 --> 0:54:38.760 in there. 0:54:38.840 --> 0:54:40.319 Yeah, but there also must be a way to get 0:54:40.320 --> 0:54:42.680 in then, like that girl got into it. 0:54:43.080 --> 0:54:45.600 You know, or was there there you never? Yeah, well, 0:54:45.600 --> 0:54:46.400 we don't know, we don't know. 0:54:46.400 --> 0:54:48.600 It wasn't there a Chicago one like that too? Or 0:54:48.640 --> 0:54:50.399 was she found somewhere else? There was like a black 0:54:50.400 --> 0:54:52.799 woman that disappeared and is social gathering with all white peo. 0:54:52.880 --> 0:54:53.759 I mean this happens often. 0:54:53.920 --> 0:54:56.319 Yeah, because there was also like a sleepover whereas all 0:54:56.320 --> 0:54:59.359 white women, one black woman and she's disappeared and no 0:54:59.400 --> 0:55:01.960 one's invested, gated the case or done anything, and like 0:55:02.280 --> 0:55:06.400 that's the weirdest fucking case. Yeah, I mean not, but 0:55:06.560 --> 0:55:09.120 it's like clearly something happened and these white women did 0:55:09.120 --> 0:55:12.000 something like the one black person is no longer alive 0:55:12.120 --> 0:55:13.399 or found or any or what. 0:55:14.200 --> 0:55:15.400 And I feel like that happened. 0:55:15.440 --> 0:55:17.880 In Chicago, there was like a party young people and 0:55:17.920 --> 0:55:22.520 the like girls were found in the water tower. I'm 0:55:22.560 --> 0:55:25.120 just it's scary because because they were blue and shivering, 0:55:25.120 --> 0:55:28.520 I definitely thought they were in water, but I think 0:55:28.520 --> 0:55:28.759 it was. 0:55:28.760 --> 0:55:30.799 Just because it was freezing out. It's winter and they're 0:55:30.880 --> 0:55:33.080 just freezing and he's kept them there. If they were 0:55:33.120 --> 0:55:34.960 in water, I feel like they would have died quicker. 0:55:35.040 --> 0:55:37.000 Like I think you would be absolutely like frozen. And 0:55:37.040 --> 0:55:39.880 also like I don't know, wouldn't wouldn't the water freeze? 0:55:39.880 --> 0:55:41.880 Maybe they empty those water towers in the winter so 0:55:41.920 --> 0:55:43.120 it doesn't free I really don't know. 0:55:43.239 --> 0:55:44.000 I have no idea. 0:55:44.040 --> 0:55:47.359 It seemed like an old water tower, but they didn't 0:55:47.400 --> 0:55:48.960 seem wet coming out either way. 0:55:49.040 --> 0:55:49.719 Horrifying. 0:55:49.880 --> 0:55:51.600 I mean, it seems like they said that they were 0:55:51.600 --> 0:55:54.600 like close to death these ways. And that's that scene 0:55:54.680 --> 0:55:56.960 like is like etched in my brain, like I always 0:55:57.000 --> 0:55:59.120 remember the two girls coming out of the water tower 0:55:59.120 --> 0:56:03.040 from the show. It's from this episode, Like it's so scary. 0:56:03.040 --> 0:56:04.879 And then like one of them just like looks at 0:56:04.920 --> 0:56:08.600 Finn and Douthorn and it's like she doesn't even say anything, 0:56:08.600 --> 0:56:10.719 but she just looks like, oh, yeah, your life is 0:56:10.760 --> 0:56:12.279 going to be so fucked because this was the most 0:56:12.320 --> 0:56:15.200 traumatizing thing that's ever happened, and you're just like a 0:56:15.320 --> 0:56:20.640 junior at Barnard like ugh. Anyway, Douthorn asks Finn what's next, 0:56:20.719 --> 0:56:23.120 and then he goes go to the hospital, take their statements, 0:56:23.239 --> 0:56:25.480 get some sleep, and then it's stick Wolf and then 0:56:25.480 --> 0:56:26.360 it's goodbye Douthorn. 0:56:26.440 --> 0:56:29.279 We never see him again. Apparently he doesn't really want 0:56:29.320 --> 0:56:30.000 to know why what. 0:56:30.000 --> 0:56:32.600 Makes people freaks, because he pieces right the fuck out, 0:56:32.920 --> 0:56:34.960 Or maybe that actor got another job. I don't know, 0:56:35.040 --> 0:56:37.640 but yeah, I'm excited for you to tell me about 0:56:37.640 --> 0:56:39.040 the real crime Lesa, because I know nothing. 0:56:39.440 --> 0:56:41.279 You're not going to be excited once we get out. 0:56:41.280 --> 0:56:44.399 Oh, why it's bad, okay, okay, yeah, of course it's bad. 0:56:44.400 --> 0:56:46.440 What did you just think about what you just told me? 0:56:46.719 --> 0:56:49.239 But I like hearing about crimes. But it's gonna be bad, okay, 0:56:49.239 --> 0:56:50.160 And it's gonna be bad. 0:56:50.320 --> 0:56:50.680 All right. 0:56:50.760 --> 0:56:53.120 Don't go anywhere, listen to our advertisements, and we'll be 0:56:53.200 --> 0:56:53.840 right back. 0:57:07.920 --> 0:57:08.319 All right. 0:57:08.600 --> 0:57:13.320 So this crime is called the nicknamed the Wichita massacre, 0:57:14.640 --> 0:57:18.960 and it took me days of research to finally learn 0:57:19.680 --> 0:57:23.680 how to spell wichita and massacre. I was spelling both 0:57:23.720 --> 0:57:27.000 those words just like flying off the seat in my pain. 0:57:27.040 --> 0:57:28.640 I'm like, I don't know how to say these things. 0:57:28.720 --> 0:57:30.680 So but I did learn how to spell both. 0:57:31.520 --> 0:57:36.320 So it's two brothers like this, and listen, they are hot, 0:57:36.560 --> 0:57:38.920 like I don't know which ones, which one is like 0:57:39.040 --> 0:57:40.000 dreads one doesn't. 0:57:40.080 --> 0:57:41.440 And they are kind of good looking. 0:57:41.480 --> 0:57:42.840 So it's kind of like the show, you know what 0:57:42.920 --> 0:57:46.800 I mean, Like two good looking young men. So at 0:57:46.800 --> 0:57:49.760 the time, So their names are Reginald D. Car and 0:57:49.880 --> 0:57:52.320 Jonathan D. Car And they were twenty two and twenty 0:57:52.360 --> 0:57:54.440 at the time of the crime, so again very young. 0:57:55.040 --> 0:57:58.240 They moved from Dodge city to Wichita and quickly started 0:57:58.240 --> 0:58:02.800 committing crimes. So December two thousand, these brothers committed crimes 0:58:02.840 --> 0:58:04.720 that ended in one of the most fucked up crimes 0:58:04.760 --> 0:58:07.120 I've ever read. And we read a lot of fucked 0:58:07.160 --> 0:58:09.800 up crimes. Yeah, Like it's tough to say it because 0:58:09.800 --> 0:58:12.760 it seems like disrespectful to the other horrific cases like 0:58:12.840 --> 0:58:15.560 this one. Like it's not a competition, but this one 0:58:15.640 --> 0:58:21.320 is truly evil evil, Like like this guy who's the 0:58:21.360 --> 0:58:24.720 guy with Colleen's Cameron, he can join These guys can 0:58:24.800 --> 0:58:28.600 join Cameron Hooker and put them in a fucking shark 0:58:28.800 --> 0:58:29.400 water tank. 0:58:29.600 --> 0:58:31.600 Put them there. It's bad. 0:58:32.200 --> 0:58:36.560 So December seventh, they started. They carjacked a Wichita State 0:58:36.640 --> 0:58:40.760 University baseball player whose name is Andrew Schreiber. They approached 0:58:40.800 --> 0:58:43.400 him at gunpoint in a come and go convenience store. 0:58:43.560 --> 0:58:44.880 Did you have to know was come and go? 0:58:45.080 --> 0:58:45.160 No? 0:58:45.280 --> 0:58:47.160 Did I want to say it? Of course? So why 0:58:47.280 --> 0:58:49.280 is it allowed to be called that? I hate it? 0:58:49.320 --> 0:58:52.160 I hate when I say those I know. I hate 0:58:52.240 --> 0:58:54.600 it for me. It's like, put give me merch. I 0:58:54.640 --> 0:58:56.600 don't care. Well, I used to have a lighter. I 0:58:56.680 --> 0:58:57.760 used to have a come and go lighter. 0:58:58.160 --> 0:59:01.000 For some reason, I knew that, and he was gonna 0:59:01.160 --> 0:59:03.120 he was there to get some skull. You know, he's 0:59:03.120 --> 0:59:06.600 a baseball player. He just wanted some chewing tobacco. And 0:59:06.640 --> 0:59:09.480 they made him drive around, cruising the area and stopping 0:59:09.480 --> 0:59:14.360 at ATMs withdrawing money until his card stopped taking transactions. Luckily, 0:59:15.240 --> 0:59:19.160 he got away unarmed, unharmed. They just shot out the 0:59:19.200 --> 0:59:21.120 tires of his car and kind of left him in 0:59:21.160 --> 0:59:25.160 a desolate area in town. But like he thank god, 0:59:25.240 --> 0:59:28.560 you know, is alive then, And the only thing the 0:59:28.560 --> 0:59:30.240 cops had to go on was that they were two 0:59:30.280 --> 0:59:32.280 black dudes. But to me, I'm like, was there not 0:59:32.440 --> 0:59:33.960 footage at every atm? 0:59:34.920 --> 0:59:35.440 Yeah? 0:59:35.720 --> 0:59:40.320 Like ATMs are where there's cameras. Yeah, like every ATM. 0:59:40.400 --> 0:59:43.320 Oh they were, they sent him. They probably sat in 0:59:43.320 --> 0:59:47.439 the car. Yeah, that's what it was because with them, Yeah, 0:59:47.480 --> 0:59:49.680 because I was like, why don't they have any footage? 0:59:49.680 --> 0:59:52.160 But they were in the car. So then December eleventh, 0:59:52.280 --> 0:59:55.400 round five thirty pm, fifty five year old cellist An 0:59:55.640 --> 0:59:58.520 Wallenta was driving to her house and she did see 0:59:58.600 --> 1:00:01.760 a light sedan was following, didn't think much of it. 1:00:02.200 --> 1:00:05.520 She then attended orchestra practice with the Wichita Symphony Orchestra, 1:00:06.080 --> 1:00:09.680 and then when she left rehearsal around nine thirty pm, 1:00:09.840 --> 1:00:13.800 the sedan reappeared and the car followed her home and 1:00:13.880 --> 1:00:16.200 one of the brothers approached her with a gun. She 1:00:16.320 --> 1:00:18.800 tried to drive away, but she was shot and she 1:00:18.880 --> 1:00:22.200 was able to give police a statement, which helped the 1:00:22.240 --> 1:00:25.960 investigation a lot, but sadly, she died shortly after on 1:00:26.080 --> 1:00:29.920 January twod two thousand and one. Her injuries were just 1:00:30.040 --> 1:00:34.080 way too intense. Her husband and children did establish the 1:00:34.120 --> 1:00:37.600 Ann will Ento Music Scholarship and Fellowship as a means 1:00:37.640 --> 1:00:41.040 to continue her music legacy and honor exceptional women. It 1:00:41.080 --> 1:00:43.480 was established in two thousand and four, and her husband 1:00:43.600 --> 1:00:46.000 Don said, year after year more students will learn to 1:00:46.000 --> 1:00:47.760 share the joy she received from music. 1:00:48.600 --> 1:00:49.720 I just wanted to touch on her. 1:00:49.760 --> 1:00:53.080 We talked so much about the killers and their pursuits, 1:00:53.200 --> 1:00:55.880 like it's nice to kind of have some information about 1:00:55.880 --> 1:01:00.000 these victims. Sadly that we lost. And she taught me 1:01:00.040 --> 1:01:02.680 music in public schools in Texas and Oklahoma, was a 1:01:02.720 --> 1:01:06.120 cello instructor at Friends University and gave private lessons, and 1:01:06.160 --> 1:01:08.520 she played in the symphony and was a group's librarian 1:01:08.560 --> 1:01:11.200 as well. For the symphony, and she just seemed like 1:01:11.240 --> 1:01:16.000 an accomplished woman. So those two crimes happened, and now 1:01:16.040 --> 1:01:21.640 December fourteenth happened. So the brothers broke into a home 1:01:21.640 --> 1:01:24.880 where five people were having a night in. They burst 1:01:24.880 --> 1:01:27.600 in with guns in hand. So who was in the house. 1:01:27.640 --> 1:01:31.400 It was a woman named hg twenty five. She brought 1:01:31.400 --> 1:01:34.320 a galpal with her to her boyfriend's house. It was 1:01:34.360 --> 1:01:36.640 a longtime boyfriend and he lived there with two men. 1:01:36.680 --> 1:01:39.200 So it was Jason and two other men. So it 1:01:39.240 --> 1:01:43.320 was five people, three of which lived in the apartment. Jason, 1:01:43.320 --> 1:01:46.760 before he was twenty six, a high school science teacher 1:01:46.760 --> 1:01:50.800 and football coach. Brad Haika twenty seven, a director of 1:01:50.840 --> 1:01:55.040 finance with Coke Financial Services. Heathere Mueller twenty five, a 1:01:55.080 --> 1:01:58.240 preschool teacher, was planning on becoming a nun, and then 1:01:58.320 --> 1:02:02.960 Aaron and that why, Jesus, just, I just it's. 1:02:02.840 --> 1:02:04.640 Like wild that you're like just having a night with 1:02:04.680 --> 1:02:06.080 my friends before I become a nun. 1:02:06.160 --> 1:02:07.760 I don't know, it's just interesting. 1:02:08.200 --> 1:02:10.800 You know, nuns, did you not watch Sister Act. Nuns 1:02:10.840 --> 1:02:11.800 like to have a good time too. 1:02:12.840 --> 1:02:14.600 Yeah, and Sister Act, I'm sure. 1:02:17.240 --> 1:02:19.280 I was talking to someone recently that was talking about 1:02:19.320 --> 1:02:21.200 Kathyen and Jimmy and how that's like one of the 1:02:21.240 --> 1:02:24.280 best comedic performances of all time and how like she 1:02:24.520 --> 1:02:28.080 was the star but like not overpowered. Like someone was 1:02:28.120 --> 1:02:30.400 talking about that performance in such a detail that I 1:02:30.440 --> 1:02:32.240 really appreciate love listening to me. 1:02:33.400 --> 1:02:33.919 I do too. 1:02:33.920 --> 1:02:36.680 I loved recently the clip went circulating where she was 1:02:36.720 --> 1:02:39.360 like protecting witches on the news when hocus Pocus it 1:02:39.360 --> 1:02:41.280 came out in nineteen ninety four. She's like, well, we 1:02:41.440 --> 1:02:43.960 don't want to stereotype witches, and it was like a 1:02:44.000 --> 1:02:48.560 really funny clip. And then we have Aaron Sander twenty nine, 1:02:48.600 --> 1:02:51.280 a former Coke employee who decided to become a priest, 1:02:52.200 --> 1:02:55.480 and HG was sitting in front of the TV and 1:02:55.520 --> 1:02:58.120 began grading papers, and then they kind of retired into 1:02:58.160 --> 1:03:01.360 separate rooms and that's when the car brothers were armed, 1:03:01.440 --> 1:03:03.960 kicked down the door and entered and nobody still to 1:03:04.000 --> 1:03:06.960 this day knows how the pair gained entrance into the triplex. 1:03:07.520 --> 1:03:09.560 So I don't know how they got into the building, 1:03:09.720 --> 1:03:14.600 but it's not hard. But I don't let men into buildings. Yeah, 1:03:14.640 --> 1:03:17.120 And I remember once it was a group of black 1:03:17.160 --> 1:03:19.320 dudser are trying to get into a hotel behind me, 1:03:19.360 --> 1:03:22.000 and I was like, no, there are, and then they 1:03:22.000 --> 1:03:24.040 obviously were like you're racist, and I had to be 1:03:24.080 --> 1:03:27.320 like sure, but you're not coming in, Like I just 1:03:27.360 --> 1:03:29.440 I used to volunteer to sexual assault Response center. You 1:03:29.440 --> 1:03:31.120 don't let anyone in. You don't let anyone in, you 1:03:31.160 --> 1:03:33.560 don't tell anyone where anyone works. You need to have 1:03:33.600 --> 1:03:36.439 a key, like yeah, and it sucks, and you can 1:03:36.560 --> 1:03:38.520 say anything you want to me. I will not let 1:03:38.560 --> 1:03:41.720 a man or anyone into a building if they do 1:03:41.800 --> 1:03:45.120 not have a key. There's Seinfeld episodes against what I'm saying, 1:03:45.200 --> 1:03:46.160 but like, I don't care. 1:03:46.280 --> 1:03:47.960 I don't do it. I don't do it. 1:03:48.680 --> 1:03:52.200 I'd rather seem like a bigot, like I'm not allowing 1:03:52.240 --> 1:03:55.720 someone into a building, so not that someone did this, 1:03:55.800 --> 1:03:57.160 I'm like accusing someone. 1:03:56.920 --> 1:03:58.520 In two thousand of doing something bad. 1:03:58.560 --> 1:04:01.280 But anyways, they got into the building that there were 1:04:01.280 --> 1:04:05.520 guns and golf clubs where the weapons of choice. They 1:04:05.600 --> 1:04:08.440 wrangled the friends into one room and began scouring the 1:04:08.480 --> 1:04:11.840 place for valuables. The prosecution also said that the men 1:04:11.920 --> 1:04:15.320 separated the friends and then each of the like the 1:04:15.360 --> 1:04:18.240 group feared that if they attacked one intruder, then the 1:04:18.360 --> 1:04:21.880 friends would be harmed. And so I'm not really sure 1:04:22.040 --> 1:04:24.000 if they were in one room or separated. A lot 1:04:24.040 --> 1:04:26.240 of the accounts are it could have been all of it. 1:04:26.320 --> 1:04:29.200 This was a long ordeal. Okay, Kara, you can't lick 1:04:29.240 --> 1:04:31.439 your hair like that. It's obviously hair. 1:04:31.560 --> 1:04:35.800 Oh okay, good, you were licking your hairw. 1:04:35.280 --> 1:04:37.240 I'm like, I'm like doing a mustache. 1:04:37.560 --> 1:04:39.960 Okay, well from here it was like you were licking it, 1:04:40.000 --> 1:04:41.160 and I was like, we're gonna have to my. 1:04:41.440 --> 1:04:46.960 God, tell me more about the murder. Ah. You were 1:04:46.960 --> 1:04:48.680 truly chewing on your hair, and I'm like, I can't. 1:04:48.920 --> 1:04:51.480 I can't. My hair cannot be in my mouth at all. 1:04:51.560 --> 1:04:53.200 I've never been a hair cheer. 1:04:54.480 --> 1:04:56.800 And I'm sorry this is like such a horrific case. 1:04:56.840 --> 1:04:58.600 But the hair did distract me, and I'm sorry I 1:04:58.600 --> 1:05:00.520 went off all in that tangent about not letting people 1:05:00.520 --> 1:05:04.680 into buildings, but it is important to me. So I 1:05:04.720 --> 1:05:07.560 don't know exactly, you know where they were configured, but 1:05:08.840 --> 1:05:11.160 they were looking for valuables and then they found an 1:05:11.200 --> 1:05:14.320 engagement ring under the bed and demanded they say it 1:05:14.360 --> 1:05:14.960 who belonged? 1:05:15.000 --> 1:05:15.720 Who it belonged? 1:05:15.760 --> 1:05:19.280 To and that's how HG found out that her boyfriend 1:05:19.320 --> 1:05:21.920 was going to propose to her. Oh my god, and 1:05:21.960 --> 1:05:23.920 he said he was going to do it on like Christmas. 1:05:24.160 --> 1:05:28.440 So they found the engagement ring and they're like tied 1:05:28.560 --> 1:05:30.560 up in this horrific situation. 1:05:31.600 --> 1:05:32.120 It's bad. 1:05:33.120 --> 1:05:35.240 The brothers then took three of the people with debit 1:05:35.280 --> 1:05:38.440 cards to ATMs one by one in a car, maxing 1:05:38.440 --> 1:05:43.040 out their cash withdrawals. By midnight one am ish, they 1:05:43.080 --> 1:05:47.080 withdrew sixteen hundred dollars and then the true horror began. 1:05:48.000 --> 1:05:50.800 So once they came back to the apartment, they forced 1:05:50.840 --> 1:05:53.360 them to strip naked and perform sex sex on one 1:05:53.400 --> 1:05:57.120 another in a twisted orgy. Then they raped the women 1:05:57.320 --> 1:05:59.480 while they beat the men with golf clubs, and then 1:05:59.600 --> 1:06:02.960 made them and made them watch as they raped the women, 1:06:03.160 --> 1:06:05.800 and then forced them all to perform acts on one 1:06:05.800 --> 1:06:08.000 another with gunpointed at them. 1:06:08.160 --> 1:06:11.280 Oh my god. And this was for more than an hour. 1:06:12.560 --> 1:06:15.640 And then they stuffed three men into a trunk of 1:06:15.760 --> 1:06:19.160 Sanders car and that is one of the people in 1:06:19.560 --> 1:06:23.320 the apartment. And then, according to testimony, one brother drove 1:06:23.400 --> 1:06:26.120 with Mueller sitting in the passenger seat while the other 1:06:26.240 --> 1:06:30.760 brother took HG with him in Bethfort's silver Dodge pickup. 1:06:31.200 --> 1:06:33.760 So they took two cars and they drove all five 1:06:33.880 --> 1:06:38.440 victims still naked, to a snowy soccer field, then shot 1:06:38.480 --> 1:06:43.480 them all in the head execution style. So they made 1:06:43.520 --> 1:06:49.040 them all Neil shot them. One woman wildly survived. If 1:06:49.080 --> 1:06:51.000 you were wondering why I was not saying someone's full 1:06:51.080 --> 1:06:52.840 name is to protect her identity. 1:06:52.960 --> 1:06:53.720 She did survive. 1:06:55.240 --> 1:06:59.840 Her hair clip deflected the bullet. Wow. 1:07:00.480 --> 1:07:04.600 But then these psychopaths ran over the body is in 1:07:04.640 --> 1:07:05.400 a pickup truck. 1:07:07.520 --> 1:07:08.880 She still survived. 1:07:09.840 --> 1:07:13.640 Then, naked and barefoot, ran for over a mile through 1:07:13.760 --> 1:07:18.640 snow and barbed wire to seek help. While she's like 1:07:18.800 --> 1:07:21.320 running to save her life. The brothers then returned to 1:07:21.360 --> 1:07:24.400 the house and ransacked it for more valuables, and then 1:07:24.440 --> 1:07:27.120 they beat the dog to death with a golf club 1:07:27.200 --> 1:07:31.520 and shot it. Oh my gods, And not that this 1:07:31.640 --> 1:07:33.640 fully matters, it is really sad, but it was like 1:07:33.840 --> 1:07:36.480 the surviving woman's dog, so it's like. 1:07:37.960 --> 1:07:39.720 God. Yeah. 1:07:40.080 --> 1:07:43.600 So while she was running, she started pounding on a 1:07:43.640 --> 1:07:45.520 door of a couple and when they opened the door, 1:07:45.520 --> 1:07:47.800 they saw a naked woman bleeding from the head and 1:07:47.960 --> 1:07:52.160 sub zero temperature, so they did let her in. She said, 1:07:52.240 --> 1:07:54.800 let me tell you my story before I die. So 1:07:54.840 --> 1:07:58.480 she did a testimony to them, like a living testimony, 1:07:58.480 --> 1:08:03.520 and she was crying. The homicide detective Ken Launder of 1:08:03.520 --> 1:08:06.720 the Wichita Police Department said to the Laurence Journal World 1:08:06.880 --> 1:08:09.280 that he could not thank the survivor enough for starting 1:08:09.320 --> 1:08:11.760 police in the right direction. But then he said something 1:08:11.800 --> 1:08:14.880 I hated. He said, this should not happen in Wichita. 1:08:15.080 --> 1:08:17.599 That scene was a war rather than anything else. It 1:08:17.640 --> 1:08:20.600 belonged in Bosnia. And it's like, it doesn't belong in 1:08:20.680 --> 1:08:26.320 Bosnia either. And that's and that's a that's a that's 1:08:26.360 --> 1:08:29.600 a detective like that is working with victims. It's like, 1:08:29.640 --> 1:08:31.880 these guys are so dense and fucked like you think 1:08:31.880 --> 1:08:33.200 it belongs anywhere else. 1:08:33.720 --> 1:08:37.000 It's just so kind of twisted now if you want 1:08:37.000 --> 1:08:37.880 to be really mad. 1:08:38.920 --> 1:08:41.000 Reginald should have been in prison at the time of 1:08:41.040 --> 1:08:45.000 these murders, but was released early because of math mistakes 1:08:45.080 --> 1:08:47.000 made by two parole officers. 1:08:47.560 --> 1:08:48.479 Oh my god. 1:08:49.600 --> 1:08:52.880 One day later, a police task force brought the brothers in. 1:08:53.720 --> 1:08:58.000 When they were arrested, Reginald had Heather Mueller's watch in 1:08:58.040 --> 1:09:01.280 his pocket, along with Jason beth For's credit card and 1:09:01.360 --> 1:09:05.040 nearly one thousand dollars in his pockets. Jonathan Carr's leather 1:09:05.120 --> 1:09:08.040 jacket was found with the diamond ring with the engagement ring. 1:09:09.040 --> 1:09:11.720 HG was in the hospital and was able to identify 1:09:11.760 --> 1:09:14.960 Reginald as one of her attackers. The brothers accused the 1:09:15.000 --> 1:09:18.719 other of carrying out the crimes. Obviously, the lawyers mostly 1:09:18.800 --> 1:09:22.360 just pointed fingers at each other since the evidence was overwhelming. 1:09:23.000 --> 1:09:25.680 I mean, there's witness testimony and physical evidence that the 1:09:25.880 --> 1:09:28.920 places the brothers on the scene, so there wasn't really 1:09:29.000 --> 1:09:32.600 much to go on except blaming one another. Jury selections 1:09:32.680 --> 1:09:35.720 started on September ninth, two thousand and two, and the 1:09:35.760 --> 1:09:38.680 trial began October seventh, two thousand and two, which was 1:09:38.720 --> 1:09:43.799 the longest jury selection process in the county's history, and Monday, 1:09:43.840 --> 1:09:47.400 November fourth, the jury obviously came back with a guilty verdict. 1:09:48.880 --> 1:09:52.000 Throughout the trial, Reginald was kept in shackles because he 1:09:52.080 --> 1:09:55.800 threatened deputies. The brothers are charged and convicted on more 1:09:55.800 --> 1:09:59.240 than one hundred counts after a three week trial. Reginald 1:09:59.280 --> 1:10:02.080 had additional charges in the robbery and abduction of Andrew 1:10:02.160 --> 1:10:05.719 Schreiber because Jonathan was found innocent in these crimes against Schreiber. 1:10:06.040 --> 1:10:07.720 There was just no evidence connecting him. 1:10:07.920 --> 1:10:10.040 They just couldn't connect him to that crime, even though 1:10:10.080 --> 1:10:12.280 the same gun was used in all three crimes. But 1:10:12.360 --> 1:10:16.360 Andrew's watch was found in Reginald's apartment, and they couldn't 1:10:16.360 --> 1:10:19.600 really tie Jonathan to that crime with couldn't. 1:10:19.240 --> 1:10:22.719 Andrew say, yeah, I wonder why anyway. 1:10:23.360 --> 1:10:26.680 Yeah, I'm sure they had him on plenty, but you know, 1:10:26.760 --> 1:10:32.640 it's jury's I don't know. During closing arguments, each of 1:10:32.680 --> 1:10:35.640 the lawyers blamed the other brother for the crimes. Jonathan's 1:10:35.640 --> 1:10:38.439 attorney said Jonathan was innocent of some of the crimes 1:10:38.439 --> 1:10:41.400 and Reginald was the leader in the quadruple murder, and 1:10:41.479 --> 1:10:44.960 Reginald's attorney contended that most of the DNA evidence pointed 1:10:45.000 --> 1:10:48.320 to his brother. The brothers did not show any emotion 1:10:48.400 --> 1:10:50.960 when the verdicts were read, although Reginald shook his head 1:10:51.000 --> 1:10:55.000 as he was convicted of criminal sodomy so that embarrassed 1:10:55.040 --> 1:11:00.639 him Jesus nothing else, and as he was taken away, 1:11:00.680 --> 1:11:03.240 he stared at the family members of the victims, while 1:11:03.280 --> 1:11:09.400 Jonathan avoided making eye contact with them. Before sentencing, it's 1:11:09.439 --> 1:11:12.600 it's typical, but it's before sentencing. The mother of the 1:11:12.640 --> 1:11:17.400 brothers pled with the pleated, pleaded with the jurors to 1:11:17.479 --> 1:11:22.680 spare the men's lives, saying her children are good and 1:11:22.720 --> 1:11:25.600 that what they did two years ago was a horrible mistake. 1:11:26.200 --> 1:11:28.200 And it's like, honey, read the room, what are you 1:11:28.200 --> 1:11:28.759 talking about. 1:11:28.760 --> 1:11:30.760 Why don't you go tell your priests that, tell your 1:11:31.080 --> 1:11:34.599 sister you do not go to the fucking victims family 1:11:35.160 --> 1:11:37.599 and say that they're good boys and their murders were 1:11:37.600 --> 1:11:41.760 a mistake. That's like so fucked to me. But I 1:11:41.760 --> 1:11:43.559 guess that's what you do if you're a parent, like 1:11:43.600 --> 1:11:43.920 I don't. 1:11:44.800 --> 1:11:47.040 I guess she was just kind of like, obviously, lock 1:11:47.120 --> 1:11:48.360 them up, but don't kill them. 1:11:48.479 --> 1:11:52.280 I don't know. I don't believe in death penalties, so yeah, 1:11:52.800 --> 1:11:53.080 you know. 1:11:54.320 --> 1:11:56.040 But I also wonder if this made it worse for 1:11:56.080 --> 1:11:57.720 the brothers, Like if I was on the jury, I 1:11:57.720 --> 1:12:01.960 would be like, go fuck yourself. Janice Harding, the mother said, 1:12:02.000 --> 1:12:04.800 I know other families out there probably hating me to death. 1:12:04.920 --> 1:12:07.439 I'm sorry for them, but spare my children. I love 1:12:07.520 --> 1:12:09.519 them just as much as you would love your children. 1:12:09.960 --> 1:12:12.519 I believe there is good in them, there's just something 1:12:12.560 --> 1:12:15.960 that went wrong along the way. She then turned to them, 1:12:16.080 --> 1:12:18.160 I don't know what went wrong, but I love you. 1:12:18.320 --> 1:12:21.040 I love you both, and I'm sorry for everything that happened. 1:12:21.439 --> 1:12:23.680 If I did something wrong, I'm sorry. I would just 1:12:23.760 --> 1:12:25.960 like to say I'm sorry to everybody. I know this 1:12:26.120 --> 1:12:28.679 is my fault. I'm just so sorry. 1:12:29.400 --> 1:12:32.560 Wow. The attorneys asked. 1:12:32.600 --> 1:12:35.599 Jurors to show their clients mercy and blame the brother's 1:12:35.680 --> 1:12:39.480 troubled childhood and dysfunctional family for their problems. 1:12:40.080 --> 1:12:41.719 And I'll touch on this later. 1:12:42.320 --> 1:12:45.200 And it's not like it's a competition, but I was 1:12:45.240 --> 1:12:47.600 trying to find like, what happened to them? Is it 1:12:47.680 --> 1:12:51.200 not stalker? Is it Richard Ramirez? Like what was going on? 1:12:52.240 --> 1:12:55.479 And I don't know, not that it excuses the crimes, 1:12:55.479 --> 1:12:57.639 but it was very much like the parents got divorced 1:12:57.680 --> 1:12:58.840 into drugs. 1:13:00.240 --> 1:13:02.160 A lot of people don't murder after that. 1:13:02.240 --> 1:13:06.000 It's just like I was expecting very horrific things to 1:13:06.040 --> 1:13:07.760 be read like that. I was going to read about 1:13:07.800 --> 1:13:10.519 these two brothers to kind of put it together, because 1:13:10.560 --> 1:13:13.920 even with Richard Ramirez, when I think about it, I'm like, yeah, 1:13:13.960 --> 1:13:15.240 how else were you gonna turn out? 1:13:16.560 --> 1:13:17.280 So I don't know. 1:13:17.920 --> 1:13:21.000 He said that Reginald was brain damaged from the things 1:13:21.000 --> 1:13:23.360 that happened to him in childhood, and to think of 1:13:23.360 --> 1:13:25.920 his three children, and it's like, well, they could have 1:13:25.920 --> 1:13:26.800 thought of their own kids. 1:13:26.840 --> 1:13:27.320 How about that. 1:13:29.280 --> 1:13:32.360 Nola Felston, the DA was like, I'm sorry, there is 1:13:32.400 --> 1:13:35.479 no excuse for an individual's conduct. You can't blame your 1:13:35.520 --> 1:13:37.720 family for what went wrong in your life, and she 1:13:37.840 --> 1:13:41.679 read that. After the verdict was read, the other defense 1:13:41.760 --> 1:13:44.400 lawyer said that Jonathan didn't have any issues with the 1:13:44.479 --> 1:13:47.040 law before the spree and that there is still good 1:13:47.080 --> 1:13:48.040 in him. 1:13:48.520 --> 1:13:50.519 Jonathan was troubled. 1:13:50.560 --> 1:13:52.280 He tried to take his own life when he was 1:13:52.320 --> 1:13:55.840 seven and then again at sixteen, so obviously something. 1:13:55.560 --> 1:13:58.599 Was going on with him. Oh my god. 1:13:59.400 --> 1:14:01.839 You know, like I said, it was a dysfunctional family. 1:14:01.880 --> 1:14:04.080 They fought, they drank, and they drugged in front of 1:14:04.120 --> 1:14:07.439 the kids. And I'm not here to like diminish what 1:14:07.520 --> 1:14:11.040 that what those effects are on people and the future. 1:14:11.200 --> 1:14:14.200 It's just like the heinous nature of this crime. I 1:14:14.240 --> 1:14:16.599 really thought, I was, Yeah. 1:14:16.400 --> 1:14:18.599 But if he I mean, honestly, if the older brother 1:14:18.720 --> 1:14:22.559 had brain damage, it's like sometimes I think with head injuries, 1:14:22.600 --> 1:14:24.559 it's like, yeah, you don't even have an idea of 1:14:24.600 --> 1:14:27.800 what is right and wrong and what is bad. 1:14:28.160 --> 1:14:28.599 I don't know. 1:14:30.080 --> 1:14:32.679 Yeah, and then it seems like the young the younger 1:14:32.720 --> 1:14:34.800 one could have just been like I was following my brother. 1:14:34.920 --> 1:14:35.320 I don't know. 1:14:36.240 --> 1:14:39.920 Yeah, it's like making sense of the truly senseless. 1:14:40.120 --> 1:14:41.240 Yeah. Yeah. 1:14:41.520 --> 1:14:43.679 He also said that he felt bad for his client, 1:14:43.800 --> 1:14:46.200 this defense attorney, because he liked him. He goes, that's 1:14:46.200 --> 1:14:49.120 the truth. I like him, and it's like, okay, bro, wow. 1:14:50.320 --> 1:14:53.360 Reginald's lawyer had a great line. He said, I asked 1:14:53.400 --> 1:14:56.320 I asked you to extend mercy to Reginald Carr that 1:14:56.400 --> 1:15:00.360 he did not extend to those four young individuals. The 1:15:00.479 --> 1:15:03.519 DA Nola Falsten, was like, sentence them to death. I 1:15:03.520 --> 1:15:05.960 don't give a fuck. She goes, we know from the 1:15:06.000 --> 1:15:08.640 evidence they committed these crimes because they wanted to, and 1:15:08.680 --> 1:15:11.360 because they chose to. She said, they did not want 1:15:11.400 --> 1:15:14.120 to leave any person behind to say what cruel, heinous 1:15:14.120 --> 1:15:18.080 shit they did, and that was on purpose. Wonder told reporters, 1:15:18.120 --> 1:15:20.760 according to CBS News, that the pictures he saw the 1:15:20.760 --> 1:15:23.040 four bodies in the field will never leave his mind, 1:15:23.520 --> 1:15:26.200 and it makes that person look at life in a 1:15:26.240 --> 1:15:27.120 different perspective. 1:15:27.840 --> 1:15:29.799 Whow they were. 1:15:29.640 --> 1:15:33.120 Sentenced to death on November fifteenth, but you know how 1:15:33.120 --> 1:15:36.360 that goes. It's appeals and pauses, and then actually just 1:15:36.439 --> 1:15:39.120 this past year, the death penalty is back on with 1:15:39.200 --> 1:15:40.920 these brothers, and we're talking twenty years. 1:15:40.960 --> 1:15:42.880 I mean, what is the point of death sentences? I 1:15:42.960 --> 1:15:43.800 really don't get it. 1:15:44.640 --> 1:15:48.120 So in twenty fourteen, the convictions were held up, but 1:15:48.240 --> 1:15:51.800 the court overturned their death sentences, concluding that not having 1:15:51.880 --> 1:15:56.880 separate hearings violated the US Constitution. The US Supreme Court, though, 1:15:56.920 --> 1:16:00.000 reversed that decision in twenty sixteen and returned the case 1:16:00.240 --> 1:16:03.720 back to the Kansas court. January twenty twenty two, the 1:16:03.800 --> 1:16:07.080 Kansas Supreme Court stopped the pause and said death penalty 1:16:07.160 --> 1:16:09.960 is back on. What these brothers tried to do is 1:16:10.200 --> 1:16:13.680 argue that if the States Constitution protects abortion rights, it 1:16:13.800 --> 1:16:17.920 also protects their right to life. What their argument was 1:16:17.920 --> 1:16:21.720 centered on capital murder being unconstitutional and infringing on their 1:16:21.800 --> 1:16:22.559 right to life. 1:16:23.120 --> 1:16:24.560 Their argument was rejected. 1:16:25.200 --> 1:16:27.559 I mean, it's it's a bad argument, but I disagree 1:16:27.560 --> 1:16:28.760 with the death penalty, so. 1:16:30.320 --> 1:16:31.840 You know, yeah, I don't know. 1:16:33.400 --> 1:16:35.720 And it was found that the brothers had fair Trials. 1:16:36.760 --> 1:16:40.320 Attorney General Derek Schmidt described the decision as an important 1:16:40.320 --> 1:16:43.000 milestone and signaled that the brothers are running out of 1:16:43.000 --> 1:16:46.920 appeal options. So throughout, like looking for information on this 1:16:47.080 --> 1:16:49.880 case was really hard. It took me a while and 1:16:50.000 --> 1:16:53.240 like a lot of days of digging, And a big 1:16:53.280 --> 1:16:56.759 part of that is because the judge, Rebecca Pilshaw, enacted 1:16:56.800 --> 1:17:00.840 a gag order to the witnesses, said the less that 1:17:00.920 --> 1:17:03.439 is said about these things, the better, ob for all 1:17:03.479 --> 1:17:07.720 parties involved. A lot of the media and residents were 1:17:07.720 --> 1:17:10.719 opposed to these efforts to suppress the facts of this case. 1:17:11.479 --> 1:17:14.520 Because of this, it has caused kind of a virtual 1:17:14.600 --> 1:17:17.840 media blackout. The website where it said that was called 1:17:17.880 --> 1:17:19.760 Forgotten Victims dot com. 1:17:19.800 --> 1:17:23.200 So I don't know if it's credible or if it's 1:17:23.240 --> 1:17:23.960 like one of. 1:17:23.880 --> 1:17:29.240 These people's family, but it yeah, a virtual media blackout. 1:17:29.800 --> 1:17:32.880 I think it was probably to protect the surviving witnesses 1:17:33.000 --> 1:17:37.280 Shreiburn HG. But maybe it was like for Kansas's reputation. 1:17:37.439 --> 1:17:42.680 I'm not really sure. I'm not sure because this is 1:17:42.800 --> 1:17:47.160 such a horrific crime. I mean, it's nicknamed a massacre, 1:17:47.439 --> 1:17:51.800 like where is it? Like it is confusing and then 1:17:51.800 --> 1:17:53.519 a part of me is like, is it because they're 1:17:53.520 --> 1:17:54.200 black dudes? 1:17:54.280 --> 1:17:55.600 Like that? 1:17:55.760 --> 1:17:56.960 No one, I don't. I don't know. 1:17:57.680 --> 1:18:00.400 Also, a lot of people think that they have had 1:18:00.439 --> 1:18:03.439 hate crimes added to it since all their victims were white, 1:18:03.479 --> 1:18:06.280 but no evidence was found of hate crime, and so 1:18:06.360 --> 1:18:08.400 that was kind of a controversial thing at the time 1:18:08.439 --> 1:18:08.880 as well. 1:18:09.640 --> 1:18:13.000 But like, they were found guilty on hundreds of charges, Like, 1:18:13.080 --> 1:18:15.840 don't they get found guilty on the cello players murder too? 1:18:16.640 --> 1:18:16.920 Yeah? 1:18:17.280 --> 1:18:23.640 Yeah, I mean I think I'm gonna cover maybe not, okay, yeah, yes, absolutely, 1:18:23.680 --> 1:18:26.719 because she also was able to give her testimony before 1:18:26.720 --> 1:18:31.160 she died. So the brothers are now an administrative segregation 1:18:31.320 --> 1:18:33.840 at the El Dorado Facility, which means they're kept in 1:18:33.840 --> 1:18:35.800 a cell twenty three hours a day and only get 1:18:35.840 --> 1:18:37.519 one hour for exercise. 1:18:37.000 --> 1:18:37.800 In a secure pen. 1:18:38.479 --> 1:18:42.040 In an article from twenty fourteen in the Topeka Capital Journal, 1:18:42.680 --> 1:18:47.160 said that Reginald had eleven disciplinary violations and Jonathan had 1:18:47.200 --> 1:18:51.320 twenty three since they entered the prison system in November 1:18:51.400 --> 1:18:54.000 of two thousand and two. So to me, it's like 1:18:54.800 --> 1:18:56.880 the idea that one brother is good and the other 1:18:57.000 --> 1:19:00.439 is bad is nulled with this too, since they're causing 1:19:00.439 --> 1:19:02.360 all this chaos in the prison. 1:19:03.439 --> 1:19:04.599 Yeah, but I don't know. 1:19:04.720 --> 1:19:06.760 You're in jail for twenty three hours a day with 1:19:07.040 --> 1:19:09.240 by yourself, with that's like how you treat it, Like 1:19:10.520 --> 1:19:12.080 I want to say, like an animal, But I don't 1:19:12.080 --> 1:19:14.000 even think people treat animals that way. I mean, like 1:19:14.040 --> 1:19:17.360 that's a disgusting way to treat people, and even people 1:19:17.360 --> 1:19:20.880 who've committed heinous crimes and so, like I who knows 1:19:20.880 --> 1:19:24.719 what their violations are. They're probably they have no idea 1:19:24.800 --> 1:19:26.360 how to interact in the real world. 1:19:26.920 --> 1:19:30.520 But my thing is, if you're against the death penalty 1:19:30.680 --> 1:19:34.479 and against this kind of custody, where do people that 1:19:34.520 --> 1:19:37.000 commit such heinous crimes like this, Like what what do 1:19:37.040 --> 1:19:37.439 they get? 1:19:38.120 --> 1:19:38.320 No? 1:19:38.400 --> 1:19:39.759 I know, it's a great question. 1:19:40.160 --> 1:19:44.000 I just don't think like solitary is the move like 1:19:44.400 --> 1:19:46.519 I thought we'd like to sell, Like there's all these 1:19:46.600 --> 1:19:50.479 documentaries about how solitary Like, yes, and it fits people 1:19:50.560 --> 1:19:53.200 up even more, it fucks people up, and it's not 1:19:53.360 --> 1:19:56.479 okay if someone's gonna eventually get out or our goal 1:19:56.560 --> 1:20:00.640 is rehabilitation or anything like that. But if you're in 1:20:00.800 --> 1:20:04.519 for life, what do you do with these people that 1:20:04.600 --> 1:20:05.439 can't be trusted? 1:20:07.760 --> 1:20:08.240 I don't know. 1:20:09.120 --> 1:20:11.400 I guess I don't know the answer to that, but y, yeah, 1:20:11.400 --> 1:20:13.880 like what is like, what are you know? We can't 1:20:13.920 --> 1:20:15.720 all stay at OZ, Like what. 1:20:17.080 --> 1:20:18.760 You know, I've never seen OZ, so I don't really 1:20:18.800 --> 1:20:19.120 know what. 1:20:19.320 --> 1:20:23.000 Oh like like it's like they're all clear pods, like 1:20:23.080 --> 1:20:24.240 clear doors. 1:20:24.640 --> 1:20:27.040 And they all get to hang out. It's general pop 1:20:27.280 --> 1:20:30.160 like it's an experimental prison. So they all get to 1:20:30.200 --> 1:20:32.719 hang out and play basketball and they're all the doors 1:20:32.760 --> 1:20:34.640 are glass and they get to just like kind of 1:20:34.880 --> 1:20:35.639 wander around. 1:20:35.800 --> 1:20:37.040 Wow, I didn't even know that. 1:20:37.840 --> 1:20:40.080 We talked about OZ so much on this podcast and 1:20:40.080 --> 1:20:42.559 we've like never I've never just gotten the general gist 1:20:42.560 --> 1:20:43.040 of OZ. 1:20:43.240 --> 1:20:45.479 I thought it was just like a prison show. It 1:20:45.600 --> 1:20:47.439 was like a fun little pod show. 1:20:48.360 --> 1:20:52.200 But it was like Love is Blind before Love Is Blind. 1:20:52.479 --> 1:20:54.880 Yeah, well I heard the season of Love it Is 1:20:54.960 --> 1:20:56.760 Blind is so I don't think I can watch it. 1:20:56.880 --> 1:20:58.599 I heard it's like really fucked. 1:20:58.800 --> 1:21:01.919 I heard it's just people with obvious issues forcing things 1:21:02.120 --> 1:21:04.680 and a lot of red flags, a lot of just 1:21:04.720 --> 1:21:09.400 like dangerous oh no vibes for people. And I think 1:21:09.439 --> 1:21:11.639 the first season was great like most reality TV. 1:21:11.880 --> 1:21:14.719 Yeah, yeah, Downhill. 1:21:14.880 --> 1:21:16.640 So I don't but I don't know like, I just 1:21:16.720 --> 1:21:19.840 I don't know if like, did we ever like the 1:21:19.880 --> 1:21:23.000 one boy, this was his first ever crimes, like, or 1:21:23.120 --> 1:21:25.280 do we know that he's completely unreal even though this 1:21:25.320 --> 1:21:26.160 is a heinous crime. 1:21:26.200 --> 1:21:27.960 Do we know he's beyond rehabilitation? 1:21:28.160 --> 1:21:29.720 But if they're not going to leave prison, do we 1:21:29.760 --> 1:21:31.360 need to really rehabilitate people. 1:21:32.720 --> 1:21:33.160 I don't know. 1:21:33.200 --> 1:21:35.720 Then it's like we're not treating people like people like 1:21:35.960 --> 1:21:38.160 you can still live inside of prison, if like we're 1:21:38.160 --> 1:21:40.360 going to keep you in prison for twenty plus years, 1:21:41.040 --> 1:21:44.200 twenty three hours a day by yourself. 1:21:44.680 --> 1:21:47.280 Listen, there's a non character in oz and you sound 1:21:47.320 --> 1:21:47.960 a lot like her. 1:21:48.160 --> 1:21:51.800 Okay, and do you know who plays her? I think 1:21:51.800 --> 1:21:54.400 it's Rita Moreno, hold on, oh I love her? 1:21:54.880 --> 1:21:55.679 Yes? Okay? 1:21:55.680 --> 1:21:58.479 Good? No? 1:21:58.720 --> 1:22:02.200 And you know, I feel like I'm also against the 1:22:02.240 --> 1:22:05.120 death penalty, but I'm like, kill these motherfuckers in the 1:22:05.120 --> 1:22:06.120 most tainous way possible. 1:22:06.120 --> 1:22:07.439 I don't give a fuck. It's like tough. 1:22:07.520 --> 1:22:10.840 I mean, yeah, I'm not really, But then it's like, fine, 1:22:10.840 --> 1:22:12.840 we won't kill them, but then what they get to 1:22:12.840 --> 1:22:14.920 play par cheesy in jail with their friends. 1:22:14.960 --> 1:22:18.400 I don't like that either. No, Like I think they 1:22:18.439 --> 1:22:19.160 should suffer. 1:22:20.000 --> 1:22:24.040 Yeah, Most of the violations, though, were for possessing sexually 1:22:24.080 --> 1:22:26.599 explicit material, which I think should be allowed. 1:22:26.840 --> 1:22:29.240 That's just me, but that's what I'm saying. 1:22:29.240 --> 1:22:31.880 I'm like, when you see twenty three violations versus eleven, like, 1:22:31.920 --> 1:22:34.479 what are they four? Talking back to an officer, I mean, 1:22:34.560 --> 1:22:36.839 it's like some of them, you know, might just be bullshit. 1:22:37.040 --> 1:22:39.040 So that's like, that's all I was trying to say 1:22:39.040 --> 1:22:40.439 about that specific thing. 1:22:40.600 --> 1:22:42.880 But for sure, But to me, I'm like, Okay, can 1:22:42.880 --> 1:22:44.080 you let them look at porn? 1:22:44.479 --> 1:22:47.360 Like, yeah, what they have? Nothing? 1:22:47.720 --> 1:22:47.800 Like? 1:22:48.160 --> 1:22:50.759 Let them at least get their jollies off? Okay. 1:22:51.400 --> 1:22:53.479 So and then so you think they shouldn't be able 1:22:53.479 --> 1:22:54.840 to play part cheesy, but they should be able to 1:22:54.920 --> 1:23:04.759 jerk off with graphic porn. Yes, with full on piss porn, yeah, okay, 1:23:06.200 --> 1:23:07.160 at least a picture. 1:23:07.200 --> 1:23:09.519 They can't get a playboy. I don't know. 1:23:11.320 --> 1:23:13.160 And I don't think you're allowed to even jerk off 1:23:13.160 --> 1:23:14.840 in prison, Like I think you get in trouble for 1:23:14.880 --> 1:23:19.080 that too. Really, I think I don't I could have 1:23:19.160 --> 1:23:20.960 made that up, but I feel like that might be 1:23:21.000 --> 1:23:23.880 a thing that they try to do. So anyways, and 1:23:23.920 --> 1:23:25.960 of course, these men are on dating sites for death 1:23:26.040 --> 1:23:30.800 row people and law unfortunate expert. We've talked about this 1:23:30.880 --> 1:23:33.720 a lot, but we didn't find the I don't know 1:23:33.720 --> 1:23:35.840 if we've ever talked about the reasons or like how 1:23:35.880 --> 1:23:37.519 this all works and stuff. So I just have like 1:23:37.560 --> 1:23:40.519 a little bit about that. So law enforcement experts say, 1:23:41.560 --> 1:23:45.080 you know, these postings actually get like large responses, like 1:23:45.120 --> 1:23:48.320 we know, and what I love is Reginald said he's 1:23:48.360 --> 1:23:52.479 looking for an intelligent career woman with an open mind 1:23:52.640 --> 1:23:53.400 and a big heart. 1:23:54.720 --> 1:23:55.120 Wow. 1:23:55.600 --> 1:23:58.680 Yeah. And this personal ad. 1:23:58.520 --> 1:24:02.560 Site is run by a Canadian coalition against the death penalty. 1:24:02.920 --> 1:24:06.639 And this is from the Lawrence Journal World two thousand 1:24:06.680 --> 1:24:11.080 and seven. It was hard to find shit. Oh the 1:24:11.120 --> 1:24:14.240 fucking Wichita Eagle. Let me tell you about this. So 1:24:14.560 --> 1:24:16.680 I'm trying to get articles in the Witchita Eagle. It 1:24:16.720 --> 1:24:18.639 won't let me in, so I pay. I'm like, fine, 1:24:18.680 --> 1:24:21.080 I'll pay. Then I try to get back in. They 1:24:21.120 --> 1:24:23.880 won't let me in because it takes two days for 1:24:23.960 --> 1:24:26.800 the subscription to go through. And I said, but I 1:24:27.240 --> 1:24:30.439 an article now, and they were like, nah, bitch. And 1:24:30.520 --> 1:24:33.439 so today is when I was allowed to look at it. 1:24:33.520 --> 1:24:35.599 I didn't have time, and then I have to now 1:24:35.640 --> 1:24:38.160 start calling trying to cancel my Wichita Eagles. 1:24:38.960 --> 1:24:39.679 Good luck girl. 1:24:39.720 --> 1:24:42.320 You're paying for that Wichita Eagle subscription until you're dead. 1:24:42.800 --> 1:24:45.200 I know, but I'm like, how do you? And I 1:24:45.240 --> 1:24:47.519 told him, like, this is a fucking scam. IDM them. 1:24:47.560 --> 1:24:48.800 I'm like, you cannot tell me. 1:24:49.720 --> 1:24:52.000 You tell me I should sign up to read an article, 1:24:52.000 --> 1:24:53.280 and I do it, and then I have to wait 1:24:53.320 --> 1:24:54.120 a grace. 1:24:53.880 --> 1:24:56.120 Period what I can. 1:24:57.280 --> 1:24:59.439 But I can buy a gun, but I can't look 1:24:59.439 --> 1:25:01.920 at this article from two thousand and five. O them 1:25:02.080 --> 1:25:05.920 goes through for a dollar. The introductory rate is a 1:25:05.960 --> 1:25:09.720 dollar a month. Fuck the Eagle. So that's why I'm 1:25:09.720 --> 1:25:14.360 at Lawrence Journal World, you know what I mean. So 1:25:14.560 --> 1:25:18.240 this guy also says that he enjoys reading, drawing, writing, 1:25:18.439 --> 1:25:21.920 reading poetry, working out, and conversing about politics. 1:25:21.920 --> 1:25:24.240 And it's like, I think you forgot rape and murder. 1:25:24.320 --> 1:25:27.320 But okay, but he was popular. I told you he was. 1:25:27.320 --> 1:25:30.040 Fuck they're fucking hot. And so he got nudes and 1:25:30.080 --> 1:25:32.680 cards and lots of stuff. So a US Department of 1:25:32.840 --> 1:25:35.640 Justice studies show that two thirds of the inmates who 1:25:35.720 --> 1:25:39.360 post ads will accurately describe their conditions and their crimes, 1:25:39.800 --> 1:25:42.920 but violent offenders convicted of murder and rape are most 1:25:42.960 --> 1:25:47.320 likely to lie. Sheila Eisenberg, author of the book Women 1:25:47.400 --> 1:25:48.799 Who Marry Men Who Kill. 1:25:49.080 --> 1:25:51.320 Sage We recommend it as of what would Sister peg do? 1:25:51.640 --> 1:25:52.400 Did episodes ago? 1:25:52.439 --> 1:25:54.160 Oh my god? So do we already talk about this? 1:25:54.280 --> 1:25:54.880 I didn't know that. 1:25:55.320 --> 1:25:57.960 So she says that many women who answer the ads 1:25:58.080 --> 1:26:00.400 find safety in a man who is locked away and 1:26:00.439 --> 1:26:05.120 can't hurt her, oh, and is in control of the relationship, 1:26:05.360 --> 1:26:09.679 unlike in the past when they were abused. But she goes, 1:26:09.720 --> 1:26:12.040 this is not love though, This is not love. This 1:26:12.120 --> 1:26:17.679 is like about control and games and trauma. And also 1:26:17.720 --> 1:26:19.840 if all of this is interesting to you, you can 1:26:19.960 --> 1:26:23.440 order an eighty page copy of the Wichita massacre survivor's 1:26:23.520 --> 1:26:27.120 pre trial testimony. Wow, I did not do that. If 1:26:27.120 --> 1:26:28.880 you'd like to, I just thought I would share that 1:26:28.880 --> 1:26:31.280 that is an option out there on the internet. I 1:26:31.320 --> 1:26:33.559 always don't like when it's too much about the killers 1:26:33.600 --> 1:26:35.519 and not the victims, and I was lucky to find 1:26:35.520 --> 1:26:39.839 some information about the young people that were killed. Heather's 1:26:39.880 --> 1:26:42.160 Camp was created in Heather Mueller's honor, and it serves 1:26:42.240 --> 1:26:45.200 kids who are blind, are visually impaired, and even at 1:26:45.200 --> 1:26:47.920 the twenty year anniversary, over passing her friends and family 1:26:47.960 --> 1:26:50.800 honored her with a fundraiser at her favorite restaurant in town. 1:26:51.800 --> 1:26:55.400 Kansas State University set up the Brad Haika Memorial Golf 1:26:55.400 --> 1:26:58.959 Tournament and scholarships. He really loved golf, k State football 1:26:59.439 --> 1:27:03.240 and hisk Fratt Brothers. He was never one to turn 1:27:03.280 --> 1:27:05.960 down a good time, but still pulled great grades, said 1:27:05.960 --> 1:27:08.920 his mother, Liz, So he liked to party. I don't 1:27:08.960 --> 1:27:12.479 think it's the one becoming a priest. Jason Beckford, who 1:27:12.880 --> 1:27:15.200 also loved golf, There was a memorial golf tournament for 1:27:15.280 --> 1:27:18.200 him as well, and last year, August twenty twenty one 1:27:18.280 --> 1:27:21.639 was the last one. Jason was a Halloween baby born 1:27:21.680 --> 1:27:25.000 October thirty first, and he was an athlete in a frat, 1:27:25.120 --> 1:27:27.840 was a teacher, coach, and was a very dedicated and 1:27:27.880 --> 1:27:31.479 compassionate friend. I was unable to find any information about 1:27:31.479 --> 1:27:35.680 Aaron Sander, and the privacy of the surviving victim has 1:27:35.800 --> 1:27:37.720 really been honored, and I hope she's able to work 1:27:37.720 --> 1:27:41.599 through her trauma. But I did find something. Don't look, 1:27:41.640 --> 1:27:45.360 I want to tell you. Mental Floss said that Andrew 1:27:45.439 --> 1:27:50.559 Schreiber became friendly with HG during the trial and they 1:27:50.600 --> 1:27:53.240 became friendly and actually married in two thousand and four. 1:27:54.240 --> 1:27:57.120 And yes, and that has. 1:27:57.040 --> 1:27:59.799 Been confirmed through its a few different sites I found 1:28:00.080 --> 1:28:02.000 and I did do digging in social media and stuff. 1:28:02.000 --> 1:28:04.920 I want to protect everyone's privacy. But the survivor from 1:28:04.960 --> 1:28:08.200 the carjacking and HG did marry. 1:28:09.040 --> 1:28:10.439 That's kind of nice. 1:28:11.600 --> 1:28:13.640 I mean, it feels like it would be like a reminder, 1:28:13.680 --> 1:28:16.200 but it's also like one of the only people could understand, 1:28:16.360 --> 1:28:17.880 like the terror that you went through. 1:28:18.120 --> 1:28:18.479 Wow. 1:28:19.000 --> 1:28:22.920 Yeah, So that's like a kind of nice end to 1:28:23.040 --> 1:28:27.760 a horrific crime. And if you want more information, I'm 1:28:27.760 --> 1:28:30.599 a member of the Wichita Eagle now so I can 1:28:30.840 --> 1:28:32.640 put some more articles up for you. 1:28:34.720 --> 1:28:39.240 We'll be linking to the Witchita Eagle. Amazing, Lisa, thank 1:28:39.280 --> 1:28:41.280 you for doing that research. That does sound like a 1:28:41.320 --> 1:28:44.320 really really awful crime. 1:28:44.280 --> 1:28:45.599 And the driving over. 1:28:45.800 --> 1:28:48.920 It's just the excessiveness, not that any crime is not. 1:28:49.400 --> 1:28:52.919 It's like what the fuck, yeah. 1:28:52.720 --> 1:28:55.559 Because it's like, yeah, I guess I don't know, but 1:28:55.640 --> 1:28:58.479 to me, that's like that's like there's a sociopathy there 1:28:58.479 --> 1:29:00.880 of like they didn't think about these people as people 1:29:01.160 --> 1:29:03.160 or whatever. They were just like, yeah, we're just here 1:29:03.200 --> 1:29:04.960 to play with you and then kill you, you know, so 1:29:05.479 --> 1:29:08.559 something's going on deeper with them. 1:29:09.280 --> 1:29:11.479 And like we always say, thank God, we have a 1:29:11.520 --> 1:29:14.360 fucking great guest. We've been waiting for this guest since 1:29:14.439 --> 1:29:18.080 probably the start of this podcast, so buckle up. 1:29:25.479 --> 1:29:29.920 Okay, guys, our guest today, Svu Royalty. We have been 1:29:30.080 --> 1:29:32.639 wanting to get this person since the moment we started 1:29:32.640 --> 1:29:33.480 this podcast. 1:29:34.000 --> 1:29:34.839 She's an actor. 1:29:34.960 --> 1:29:38.120 She's worked in pr and most importantly, from two thousand 1:29:38.120 --> 1:29:40.280 and three to twenty eleven, she portrayed the one and 1:29:40.360 --> 1:29:45.600 only CSU Captain Judith Ciper. Guys, enjoy our convo with 1:29:45.680 --> 1:29:47.160 the Queen Karen Browning. 1:29:47.560 --> 1:29:50.160 Karen, this is a very long time in the making. 1:29:50.240 --> 1:29:53.360 I feel, oh, it's first of all, we just don't 1:29:53.400 --> 1:29:55.880 we have to start with saying, oh my gosh to 1:29:55.960 --> 1:29:59.200 my my niece Beth, because I think she's the one 1:29:59.280 --> 1:30:01.240 who got this all together, didn't. 1:30:01.040 --> 1:30:04.240 She Yes, And we just met her in person, I 1:30:04.280 --> 1:30:06.800 think in Raleigh where she lives. 1:30:07.000 --> 1:30:10.080 Yep, she sent me a photograph you all looked really bitch, 1:30:10.120 --> 1:30:12.960 and it was awesome, amazing. 1:30:13.680 --> 1:30:15.680 She is one of the reasons that we have you. 1:30:15.720 --> 1:30:17.760 I feel like because she has a meeting from the 1:30:17.760 --> 1:30:19.519 beginning been like, you got to get my aunt on 1:30:19.640 --> 1:30:20.320 and we're like, we. 1:30:20.280 --> 1:30:22.639 Would die to have her. So here we are. 1:30:22.880 --> 1:30:25.240 We were waiting for the perfect episode, and I feel 1:30:25.240 --> 1:30:27.559 like we kind of got it because this is your 1:30:27.640 --> 1:30:31.639 first episode as Detective Judas Cipher, but not your first 1:30:31.680 --> 1:30:35.040 SVU episode, correct, because you played other you played a 1:30:35.080 --> 1:30:37.479 Law and Order character and then an SVU character before 1:30:37.520 --> 1:30:38.559 you became this character. 1:30:38.840 --> 1:30:39.599 That's correct. 1:30:39.840 --> 1:30:43.040 Yes, I've had a storied past with these wonderful people. 1:30:45.360 --> 1:30:47.360 So so how did that work out? You just you 1:30:47.479 --> 1:30:49.120 just like auditioned and did a Law and Order and 1:30:49.120 --> 1:30:51.120 then you did and then to get this part. Did 1:30:51.120 --> 1:30:52.439 they just say, hey, we have this part we have 1:30:52.479 --> 1:30:54.479 in mind for you, or did you audition to get 1:30:54.520 --> 1:30:56.559 the Judith part even after you'd already done a part 1:30:56.560 --> 1:30:57.040 on S for you? 1:30:57.200 --> 1:30:57.519 Okay? 1:30:57.560 --> 1:31:01.040 I love telling this story and it's you know, when 1:31:01.040 --> 1:31:03.800 I was just you know, I was in New York 1:31:03.840 --> 1:31:08.320 in the heyday of my you know, acting experience. Everybody 1:31:08.400 --> 1:31:10.200 was wanted to be on Law and Order, any kind 1:31:10.200 --> 1:31:14.200 of Law and Order whatever it was, right, and they said, 1:31:14.320 --> 1:31:17.280 you know, you have to audition like five times or 1:31:17.360 --> 1:31:20.240 six times before they'll call you back or whatever. So 1:31:20.720 --> 1:31:24.240 I had gone in a few times and I went 1:31:24.320 --> 1:31:28.000 in and you know, you go down to Chelsea Peers 1:31:28.160 --> 1:31:31.360 and you get like your whole day becomes about getting 1:31:31.400 --> 1:31:35.000 your hair right and makeup and everything and your feelings 1:31:35.040 --> 1:31:37.400 all in the right place, you know, right. So I 1:31:37.439 --> 1:31:40.960 had done that, and it was it was Ted Kotcheff 1:31:41.000 --> 1:31:46.120 who was in my audition, and he just seemed to 1:31:46.160 --> 1:31:48.680 be like, you got it, you got it, and he 1:31:48.760 --> 1:31:51.800 kept encouraging me, and I was, you know, I was thinking, oh, 1:31:51.840 --> 1:31:52.719 this can't be true. 1:31:52.800 --> 1:31:55.120 No one is encouraging me. That's not right. 1:31:56.479 --> 1:32:01.880 So they ended up bringing me in to do a 1:32:01.960 --> 1:32:05.040 law and order, which was I think is one of Marishka's. 1:32:05.360 --> 1:32:08.760 I'm trying to remember it now exactly what happened. Was 1:32:10.280 --> 1:32:12.840 it a regular law and order there? I think it 1:32:12.920 --> 1:32:14.880 was a regular law and order where I was in 1:32:14.920 --> 1:32:18.559 the courtroom and something horrible had happened to my cop husband. 1:32:19.040 --> 1:32:21.720 And the Ted told me later. 1:32:21.720 --> 1:32:24.840 That it was just I had like zero lines, hardly 1:32:24.880 --> 1:32:27.280 any lines of a couple of small scenes in the beginning, 1:32:27.840 --> 1:32:30.200 and he said, you. 1:32:30.120 --> 1:32:33.639 Know, it was your eyes. I could tell you were. 1:32:33.560 --> 1:32:37.400 Listening by just watching your eyes when you're in the 1:32:37.439 --> 1:32:42.080 courtroom and they're talking about your husband. So that's how 1:32:42.080 --> 1:32:44.160 I kind of got started with the first Law and 1:32:44.320 --> 1:32:46.200 Order episode, and then. 1:32:46.360 --> 1:32:47.200 They brought me on. 1:32:49.120 --> 1:32:52.360 I guess it was for this episode or I was 1:32:52.400 --> 1:32:55.320 thinking it was Uncivilized, but I can't remember now which 1:32:55.360 --> 1:32:59.160 episode it was. So you guys probably the true fact 1:32:59.600 --> 1:33:00.719 people that you are. 1:33:01.160 --> 1:33:04.479 I'm sure you might know it, but I think so. 1:33:04.880 --> 1:33:06.519 I think that's what I was because I was just 1:33:06.560 --> 1:33:11.240 looking up your whole history yesterday. But yeah, you on SVU, 1:33:11.320 --> 1:33:13.680 your Law and Order was called Burn Baby Burn, and 1:33:13.680 --> 1:33:17.040 then your SVU, well you did two svus. Actually, it 1:33:17.040 --> 1:33:20.040 looks like you did one called Mercy and one called Uncivilized. 1:33:20.120 --> 1:33:22.960 Yeah, and that's part of the story of Judith Ciper too, 1:33:23.160 --> 1:33:27.160 because here's how that here's what is part of that story. 1:33:28.720 --> 1:33:31.760 When they were writing this role, they didn't have the 1:33:31.880 --> 1:33:37.280 character Judith Ciper created yet. So in my past, I mean, 1:33:37.320 --> 1:33:41.760 my day jobs working in the theater in New York 1:33:42.000 --> 1:33:44.639 always had to do with healthcare. I somehow got jobs 1:33:44.640 --> 1:33:47.400 working in pr in healthcare, which is what I still 1:33:47.439 --> 1:33:52.720 do actually, and so consequently I was able to say 1:33:52.840 --> 1:33:57.519 really technical healthcare language. So this was that episode where 1:33:57.640 --> 1:34:00.799 the first I can't remember if this was the first 1:34:00.840 --> 1:34:06.559 episode where they brought body parts in a styrofoam ice. 1:34:06.360 --> 1:34:07.280 Cooler or something. 1:34:07.280 --> 1:34:09.040 This is the Tay Sacs episode. 1:34:09.200 --> 1:34:13.080 Yeah, yes, yeah, so that one they called her doctor. 1:34:13.320 --> 1:34:14.160 I forget what they. 1:34:14.000 --> 1:34:15.559 Called Sheila something. 1:34:15.800 --> 1:34:18.800 Oh, yes, Hila Johnson or something like that. 1:34:19.720 --> 1:34:24.080 Yeah, Sheila queen, Sheila queen, a queen that sounds like 1:34:24.160 --> 1:34:25.080 us drag name. 1:34:25.160 --> 1:34:29.080 I love that, right, and I could be only if only, 1:34:29.160 --> 1:34:32.479 if only it was a drag name. Anyway, that show, 1:34:32.600 --> 1:34:36.240 I think got me into the next role in the 1:34:36.280 --> 1:34:39.960 next occurrence. And then after the first few episodes went well, 1:34:40.040 --> 1:34:44.719 they kept me as Judith Ciper and I just called 1:34:44.720 --> 1:34:45.960 myself Captain Judy. 1:34:48.040 --> 1:34:52.479 Well, it's amazing because we talked to Ruby Morales Joel 1:34:52.479 --> 1:34:55.920 Delafuente and he was saying, how learning the language and 1:34:55.960 --> 1:34:58.760 the technical stuff while walking and talking is kind of 1:34:58.800 --> 1:35:01.240 hard to memorize all of that, And it's so cool 1:35:01.280 --> 1:35:04.759 you kind of had the language and the shorthand already. 1:35:05.479 --> 1:35:08.040 Right, you are so right, But it is that is 1:35:08.240 --> 1:35:11.840 the you know people used to People still say to me, oh. 1:35:11.680 --> 1:35:14.240 My gosh, that's such an interesting character. What do you do? 1:35:14.320 --> 1:35:15.000 How do you do it? 1:35:15.040 --> 1:35:17.800 And I'm always like, honey, all I am trying to 1:35:17.840 --> 1:35:21.280 do is remember what I'm supposed to say and be 1:35:21.360 --> 1:35:23.200 in the right place at the right moment and look 1:35:23.240 --> 1:35:23.880 at the right thing. 1:35:24.040 --> 1:35:24.240 You know. 1:35:24.400 --> 1:35:29.040 That's that's that gives you kind of a The seriousness 1:35:29.080 --> 1:35:33.120 I think that Cipher has on camera really honestly comes 1:35:33.160 --> 1:35:34.640 from just trying not to screw up. 1:35:34.960 --> 1:35:37.800 But interesting, you meant, yeah, I think Kara's about to 1:35:37.840 --> 1:35:39.800 say the same thing. It's it's weird you mentioned the 1:35:39.880 --> 1:35:42.240 serious because she's kind of funny. 1:35:42.439 --> 1:35:46.400 Yesna say the exact same thing. I was like, it's 1:35:46.439 --> 1:35:48.320 funny that you say that because they have had a 1:35:48.320 --> 1:35:50.479 couple of people on the show at I won't name 1:35:50.520 --> 1:35:52.320 names because I can't remember the names because they've had 1:35:52.320 --> 1:35:55.640 people on for like one episode that'll be like the 1:35:55.680 --> 1:35:58.760 retraction of the DNA was like and they just kind 1:35:58.760 --> 1:36:01.320 of read it all very robotic, and you know, you 1:36:01.320 --> 1:36:01.920 don't really get. 1:36:01.840 --> 1:36:03.080 A sense of them at all. You're just like, oh, 1:36:03.080 --> 1:36:04.280 that's a lab coat person. 1:36:04.680 --> 1:36:06.400 And I do feel like your character kind of the 1:36:06.400 --> 1:36:08.599 reason why you had staying power is because you had 1:36:08.600 --> 1:36:10.960 like a lightness to you, or you'd or you'd be 1:36:11.120 --> 1:36:12.920 kind of like, I don't know, I've always felt like 1:36:12.960 --> 1:36:15.320 you were joking with the cops too, Like. 1:36:15.320 --> 1:36:16.599 I love you for saying that. 1:36:16.640 --> 1:36:20.280 You just made my day. It's maybe who I am 1:36:20.320 --> 1:36:22.160 a little bit. I don't know, but that's kind of 1:36:22.200 --> 1:36:25.519 how I survived. It's so it happened so fast, and 1:36:25.560 --> 1:36:28.400 there's so much on the line for everybody. I mean, 1:36:28.439 --> 1:36:31.280 the you know, these productions cost a lot of money 1:36:31.320 --> 1:36:34.120 to make and they can't get behind schedule. So if 1:36:34.160 --> 1:36:37.160 you come in and you have to do eight takes 1:36:37.160 --> 1:36:41.280 of your four line scene, you're going to be in bit. Yeah, 1:36:41.520 --> 1:36:44.719 you know, big trouble. So I tried to get it done. 1:36:44.800 --> 1:36:48.639 And I will say this, you know, you can't say 1:36:48.800 --> 1:36:52.000 enough good about this group of people. I will always 1:36:52.040 --> 1:36:56.840 be grateful for the experience because there was you know, 1:36:56.920 --> 1:36:58.880 I don't know if Beth told you, but in two 1:36:58.920 --> 1:37:02.200 thousand and three, I had a stroke. I was forty 1:37:02.200 --> 1:37:07.080 five years old and you know, very healthy, really, you know, 1:37:07.160 --> 1:37:09.320 in good shape, working out all the time. And I 1:37:09.360 --> 1:37:12.920 had a stroke and I was hospitalized for a couple months, 1:37:13.560 --> 1:37:17.960 and these people sent me flowers, They kept in touch. 1:37:18.040 --> 1:37:21.880 They even came to the hospital to do adr you know, 1:37:22.040 --> 1:37:25.320 voiceover work after so that they could get the episodes 1:37:25.360 --> 1:37:26.000 pulled together. 1:37:26.360 --> 1:37:27.799 They were just so amazing. 1:37:27.840 --> 1:37:30.200 And then of course when I got finished and I 1:37:30.320 --> 1:37:31.960 was like, I'll never go to work again. You know, 1:37:32.600 --> 1:37:34.960 they had me back on the show, so they were 1:37:35.160 --> 1:37:40.040 very supportive and so I don't know, I lost track 1:37:40.080 --> 1:37:42.680 of what I was saying there about that's amazing. 1:37:42.800 --> 1:37:45.559 Now, that's so cool because they could have just been like, 1:37:45.600 --> 1:37:47.280 all right, we need to find someone else to play 1:37:47.280 --> 1:37:49.200 this character, because that was towards the beginning two thousand 1:37:49.240 --> 1:37:51.519 and three was towards the beginning of your ten year 1:37:51.560 --> 1:37:53.320 old show, so all ly been doing it. 1:37:53.600 --> 1:37:55.680 So it's you know, I think the bottom line there 1:37:55.720 --> 1:37:58.200 is they're really human beings and there's a lot on 1:37:58.240 --> 1:38:01.160 the line for them, and everybody were really hard. 1:38:00.960 --> 1:38:01.840 Together, you know. 1:38:02.000 --> 1:38:04.360 The I guess of all the people on the show, 1:38:04.600 --> 1:38:08.280 I've always wanted to sort of give a big shout 1:38:08.320 --> 1:38:12.400 out to Iced Tea because he would say weirt, I. 1:38:12.280 --> 1:38:13.440 Love you for that. 1:38:14.680 --> 1:38:17.680 He was the one who kept me grounded because I was, 1:38:18.240 --> 1:38:21.720 you know, incredibly nervous, but he would just say, you know, 1:38:21.800 --> 1:38:24.400 he would just say something. I don't even know if 1:38:24.439 --> 1:38:27.720 I can even remember. One episode I liked to talk 1:38:27.720 --> 1:38:31.719 about with my pals is I was down in some 1:38:32.320 --> 1:38:36.480 you know, entrance to some apartment building, coming up steps 1:38:36.520 --> 1:38:39.000 like metal steps, and I had to walk to the 1:38:39.040 --> 1:38:43.080 corner and say to Chris Maloney, we'll check the luds. 1:38:43.120 --> 1:38:45.479 We'll just take this phone and check the luds or something. 1:38:45.840 --> 1:38:47.599 That's all I had to say. It was like nothing, 1:38:48.040 --> 1:38:51.439 but I'm walking up the steps and the the other 1:38:51.520 --> 1:38:54.920 people had just had a shot that was like all 1:38:54.960 --> 1:38:57.519 the way from all the way down the street up 1:38:57.520 --> 1:38:57.800 to me. 1:38:58.040 --> 1:38:59.280 And then it was my part. 1:38:59.360 --> 1:39:01.800 So I had two seconds, but I had to be 1:39:02.000 --> 1:39:05.519 perfect with it. And when I came up there there 1:39:05.720 --> 1:39:09.320 was We had to do a couple takes of this 1:39:09.439 --> 1:39:14.799 last part with my line, and I think Chris was talking, 1:39:15.080 --> 1:39:17.120 was on a phone or something, and he didn't put 1:39:17.120 --> 1:39:18.920 the phone down, and he didn't put the phone down, 1:39:19.000 --> 1:39:20.920 and he didn't put the phone down. I was like, 1:39:21.320 --> 1:39:23.960 I have to be I have to speak now. And 1:39:24.000 --> 1:39:26.400 then of course at the right moment he takes the 1:39:26.439 --> 1:39:27.360 phone down and there. 1:39:27.240 --> 1:39:30.240 He is one hundred percent. You know, that's no. He 1:39:30.400 --> 1:39:33.040 was just kind of amazing and always there. 1:39:33.160 --> 1:39:34.880 They're always there amazing. 1:39:35.320 --> 1:39:38.280 Do you have any funny like stories or memories that 1:39:38.320 --> 1:39:40.840 you think our listeners and we would, you know, be 1:39:40.920 --> 1:39:44.840 excited to hear about the main cast. Any yeah, any 1:39:44.880 --> 1:39:46.600 cute moments, silly moments. 1:39:47.000 --> 1:39:49.400 I like being in the bathroom with Richard Belzer. You 1:39:49.439 --> 1:39:54.639 know Belzer has he has his own dry personality, so 1:39:54.800 --> 1:39:57.080 that was kind of fun. Again my heart was thumping. 1:39:57.160 --> 1:39:59.639 And therey where we did a bathroom scene checking around 1:39:59.680 --> 1:40:00.719 the back the toilet. 1:40:00.800 --> 1:40:02.080 I mean, it doesn't get. 1:40:02.000 --> 1:40:04.720 Much better than that, really, And also being in the 1:40:04.840 --> 1:40:09.640 dressing room the makeup room with people like Christine Baranski 1:40:09.840 --> 1:40:13.240 and you know, all these amazing actresses that you admire 1:40:13.320 --> 1:40:13.800 so much. 1:40:13.920 --> 1:40:16.280 I always enjoyed doing that. 1:40:16.560 --> 1:40:20.960 And the people who work on the show, actually, the 1:40:20.960 --> 1:40:25.320 the the hair dressers and the makeup folks, they're just 1:40:25.439 --> 1:40:27.519 they're so reassuring and so real. 1:40:27.880 --> 1:40:29.440 I always just really. 1:40:29.200 --> 1:40:31.680 Love woll And They have the best gossip hair and 1:40:31.720 --> 1:40:32.800 makeups where you want to be. 1:40:33.160 --> 1:40:35.880 Yes, now, I am not a huge gossip person, but 1:40:35.920 --> 1:40:38.200 I will say that I still use Laura Mercy. 1:40:38.400 --> 1:40:41.439 Is it Mercy or Mercier or ye Mercy, yeah, Mercier. 1:40:41.520 --> 1:40:44.559 I still use tinted moisturizer, which the people in that 1:40:44.760 --> 1:40:47.640 makeup room gave to me and I will never not 1:40:47.760 --> 1:40:48.080 use it. 1:40:48.240 --> 1:40:50.759 I use it too. All become so funny. 1:40:50.800 --> 1:40:52.720 I use nars and the makeup girl on the show 1:40:52.760 --> 1:40:54.400 I'm on right now said you got to switch to 1:40:54.439 --> 1:40:56.439 Laura Mercier like legit this week. 1:40:56.640 --> 1:40:59.040 That's what I was told. I can't believe it. 1:40:59.040 --> 1:41:02.720 It's amazing and you great, thank you. 1:41:03.600 --> 1:41:06.760 I stayed out kind of late yesterday, so her saying that, 1:41:07.439 --> 1:41:11.040 did you and Tamaratuny Melinda Warner of her cross Paths, 1:41:11.080 --> 1:41:13.080 I feel like you guys sort of fulfill a similar 1:41:13.160 --> 1:41:14.760 role in the show. And I wonder if they, like, 1:41:14.840 --> 1:41:16.680 never really had you on together, but did they have. 1:41:17.000 --> 1:41:17.760 She's kind of fun. 1:41:18.000 --> 1:41:20.360 She kind of is spunky too, like you guys are 1:41:20.400 --> 1:41:21.680 the spunky scientists. 1:41:22.040 --> 1:41:22.880 She is amazing. 1:41:23.040 --> 1:41:23.599 I was. 1:41:23.680 --> 1:41:25.680 I think I was in a couple episodes with her, 1:41:25.800 --> 1:41:27.719 and it was I don't know if it was actually 1:41:27.760 --> 1:41:29.479 the one that I was just telling you about, where 1:41:29.520 --> 1:41:32.080 there was a long shot the person was down at 1:41:32.080 --> 1:41:34.680 the end of the street and then they walk up 1:41:34.720 --> 1:41:37.519 and they see different people, so they go to uh 1:41:37.840 --> 1:41:39.040 Warner and then they come on. 1:41:39.120 --> 1:41:39.720 Up to me. 1:41:40.479 --> 1:41:42.760 It was mostly like that, so we would pass in 1:41:42.800 --> 1:41:44.519 the halls and things like that. 1:41:44.640 --> 1:41:47.280 I didn't she she went to school with. 1:41:47.160 --> 1:41:50.280 One of my best friends, Georgia, and so when I've 1:41:50.320 --> 1:41:53.800 seen her in you know, out at Playwrights Horizons or 1:41:53.840 --> 1:41:56.320 someplace like that, we always say hi and hug and 1:41:56.520 --> 1:42:00.280 she's really great too. But ill it just like a 1:42:00.280 --> 1:42:02.760 lot of New York actors. I'm sorry, I can just 1:42:02.800 --> 1:42:06.519 plug New York actors, right, of course. I think they're 1:42:06.600 --> 1:42:10.519 just everybody is glad to have their jobs, right, We're 1:42:10.520 --> 1:42:13.639 all glad to be employed. And these people really have 1:42:13.880 --> 1:42:17.759 the energy of the show in them, and they're always kind. 1:42:18.240 --> 1:42:21.280 I've worked on shows we all have right where people 1:42:21.320 --> 1:42:25.400 are concerned with all the other things that they're worried about. 1:42:25.640 --> 1:42:27.960 And I know people are worried about stuff on this show, 1:42:28.000 --> 1:42:31.679 but they were always really really positive when I was around. 1:42:32.080 --> 1:42:35.880 Even Maloney with his you know, he he's got his 1:42:35.880 --> 1:42:38.280 his character and I don't I never knew which was 1:42:38.360 --> 1:42:41.600 Chris and which was you know, the actual character. But 1:42:41.640 --> 1:42:45.200 he's got a lot of energy inside and anger inside. 1:42:45.240 --> 1:42:47.080 And you know you can see him working that up 1:42:47.080 --> 1:42:47.679 while we're there. 1:42:48.320 --> 1:42:49.840 Yeah, we heard the stretches a lot. 1:42:50.439 --> 1:42:50.920 He does. 1:42:51.160 --> 1:42:54.519 He does confirming. 1:42:54.680 --> 1:42:55.559 They also will. 1:42:55.360 --> 1:42:58.400 Go and talk to the to Dick like sometimes they'll call, 1:42:58.800 --> 1:43:01.599 they'll call, you know, and they'll talk to people, they'll 1:43:01.600 --> 1:43:04.040 talk to the script writers, and you're like, oh my god. 1:43:03.880 --> 1:43:06.040 I'm so bad. They're calling to say, can we get 1:43:06.120 --> 1:43:09.680 rid of Judy Cipher right now? But I don't think 1:43:09.680 --> 1:43:10.519 that's what they're doing. 1:43:10.840 --> 1:43:12.719 No, And do you ever watch any of the episodes 1:43:12.840 --> 1:43:13.040 erre In. 1:43:13.880 --> 1:43:17.680 I used to watch them more, but to be honest, no, 1:43:17.960 --> 1:43:19.840 because I always I always thought I sucked. 1:43:19.880 --> 1:43:21.320 I never thought it was really. 1:43:21.040 --> 1:43:25.040 Good, and so I'd be embarrassed to watch myself, thinking, 1:43:25.080 --> 1:43:27.160 oh gosh, that took me so long to get that 1:43:27.200 --> 1:43:28.759 out out of my mouth or whatever. 1:43:28.840 --> 1:43:31.360 But you know, ah, you're so well because I'm looking 1:43:31.360 --> 1:43:32.880 at the list of that episode z're in, and you're 1:43:32.920 --> 1:43:37.000 in some scary ones too, like Signature. I don't know 1:43:37.040 --> 1:43:40.400 if you remember that one, that one with Erica Christiansen. 1:43:40.720 --> 1:43:43.360 Oh yeah, oh my god, that one was like I 1:43:43.439 --> 1:43:44.920 still have nightmares about that one. 1:43:45.960 --> 1:43:50.280 It's funny when you walk into the sets like you 1:43:50.280 --> 1:43:52.800 you know, you might I don't. You might know that 1:43:52.840 --> 1:43:55.439 you've got a scene in a closet and they've got 1:43:55.520 --> 1:43:58.160 you know, sex toys all over the place, or you know, 1:43:58.280 --> 1:44:02.719 something really horrible has happened or has you know happened 1:44:02.760 --> 1:44:06.680 around you or what you're walking into and that no, 1:44:06.800 --> 1:44:09.880 I think is you prepare those things really are in 1:44:09.920 --> 1:44:11.519 your psyche as you do it. 1:44:11.600 --> 1:44:14.639 But wait, that reminds me of a question. 1:44:14.960 --> 1:44:18.800 So how like you've been around the dead bodies, the 1:44:18.840 --> 1:44:20.760 actors playing the dead bodies. 1:44:20.479 --> 1:44:24.040 So how how do they function? Like do they get up? 1:44:24.040 --> 1:44:26.160 Do they have to stand still throughout? Like what's it 1:44:26.240 --> 1:44:28.080 like to be a dead body and interact with the 1:44:28.080 --> 1:44:30.040 dead bodies that are alive? 1:44:30.920 --> 1:44:32.360 You know, that's a great question. 1:44:33.400 --> 1:44:35.559 Adam Rapp, I was thinking about a scene that we 1:44:35.600 --> 1:44:38.680 did in a house with I was a in a 1:44:38.720 --> 1:44:41.840 bedroom towards the end of the episode with b. D. 1:44:42.040 --> 1:44:44.960 Wong and Adam Rapp was the dead body. Oh. 1:44:45.200 --> 1:44:48.280 We talked to him about this, We had him on 1:44:48.280 --> 1:44:50.360 the podcast and he was like, they made me sit 1:44:50.400 --> 1:44:52.759 in that blood for so long and he was pissed 1:44:52.800 --> 1:44:53.760 at Maloney. 1:44:55.640 --> 1:44:58.799 He did a great job. He was still absolutely still 1:44:58.880 --> 1:45:01.320 on the stretcher. I think he on the stretcher up there. 1:45:01.560 --> 1:45:04.000 If I've got it, my memory might not be the 1:45:04.000 --> 1:45:06.720 same as he's got it. But yeah, in my experience, 1:45:06.800 --> 1:45:11.000 the people, you know, you take it seriously what you're 1:45:11.040 --> 1:45:15.800 doing Yeah, if only the leaders of our country would 1:45:15.840 --> 1:45:18.439 take as seriously what we do with dead bodies on 1:45:18.479 --> 1:45:19.719 the lawn and Order SVU. 1:45:21.160 --> 1:45:24.559 Oh my my gosh, that is so funny. 1:45:25.120 --> 1:45:26.040 Sweet can I ask? 1:45:26.160 --> 1:45:26.280 So? 1:45:26.439 --> 1:45:28.639 I was like obviously looking you up, and it seems 1:45:28.680 --> 1:45:30.600 like you done. You've done some theater and stuff, but 1:45:30.640 --> 1:45:34.120 you're also the executive vice president and partner of a 1:45:34.160 --> 1:45:34.880 PR firm. 1:45:35.560 --> 1:45:35.800 Yes. 1:45:35.960 --> 1:45:39.000 I just took a new job in January of this year, 1:45:39.040 --> 1:45:42.520 but I worked for ten years twelve no, actually fifteen 1:45:42.600 --> 1:45:45.759 years with a small PR firm called King In Company. 1:45:46.720 --> 1:45:49.160 And my boss, Hi, Judith, would be crazy if I 1:45:49.200 --> 1:45:52.400 didn't say say thing about her. It was actually her 1:45:52.640 --> 1:45:57.000 fiftieth birthday was the final episode that I recorded for 1:45:57.080 --> 1:46:01.000 Law and Order SVU so far, So that was always 1:46:01.000 --> 1:46:04.360 in memory. But now I work for a really wonderful 1:46:04.439 --> 1:46:09.760 organization called v NS Health, which is home care home 1:46:09.800 --> 1:46:14.400 healthcare for people who receive skilled care and nursing and 1:46:14.880 --> 1:46:16.519 other clinical services in their home. 1:46:16.640 --> 1:46:18.240 So I really enjoy doing that. 1:46:19.120 --> 1:46:19.759 That's awesome. 1:46:20.080 --> 1:46:22.120 And then so you would just be like, Okay, I 1:46:22.120 --> 1:46:23.439 got a Law and Order, I got to be off 1:46:23.479 --> 1:46:25.800 work for a couple of days or what, Yeah, or 1:46:26.240 --> 1:46:26.760 usually I. 1:46:26.680 --> 1:46:30.760 Could do it within three to five hours. So sometimes 1:46:30.800 --> 1:46:33.519 I would, you know, and they're really pretty good about 1:46:33.560 --> 1:46:36.080 keeping you on schedule. But I would take the afternoon 1:46:36.160 --> 1:46:40.479 off and I usually usually got everything done in one day. 1:46:40.560 --> 1:46:44.679 Sometimes I would have it, you know, it'd be back 1:46:44.720 --> 1:46:47.000 to back days, which didn't work out so well if 1:46:47.040 --> 1:46:50.960 you had a lot of meetings. But my clients really 1:46:51.040 --> 1:46:55.439 loved it, and my people colleagues that I worked with 1:46:55.520 --> 1:46:59.200 also really loved that, you know, I did this, and 1:46:59.240 --> 1:47:01.560 so they were all always really accommodating. 1:47:01.640 --> 1:47:02.599 Oh that's so cool. 1:47:02.960 --> 1:47:05.919 We have a friend who just got cast on SNL 1:47:06.000 --> 1:47:08.640 but they were working at a notebook shop, and so 1:47:08.720 --> 1:47:10.920 then the notebook store had to text and be like 1:47:11.000 --> 1:47:14.520 are you You're not coming back, right? And you were like, sorry, 1:47:15.040 --> 1:47:18.400 I forgot to tell them I'm not coming back, and yeah, 1:47:19.760 --> 1:47:25.479 but the notebook storees like we're excited, but bye. Well, So, 1:47:25.680 --> 1:47:27.639 as you know, we do try to stalk you online. 1:47:27.680 --> 1:47:29.519 Do you is it you or not? Do you have 1:47:29.600 --> 1:47:32.160 you put on YouTube videos with fish tanks? Are you 1:47:32.200 --> 1:47:33.280 into fish tanks? 1:47:38.040 --> 1:47:46.479 I saw this question in the outline and I was like, what, Okay, yes, great, 1:47:46.560 --> 1:47:47.960 I don't know that I did. 1:47:47.800 --> 1:47:49.000 This on YouTube? 1:47:49.160 --> 1:47:51.400 And I'm hoping that it's the same thing that I 1:47:51.560 --> 1:47:55.960 have photographed. I used to have a fish called Einstein, 1:47:57.400 --> 1:48:01.200 and if you've seen the YouTube, his head had a 1:48:01.520 --> 1:48:04.120 you know, thing that looked like an exterior brain. 1:48:04.320 --> 1:48:08.679 So yes, yeah, there's some clips of the fish that's 1:48:08.720 --> 1:48:10.599 out there that happens. 1:48:10.960 --> 1:48:14.760 I don't even this is I have no idea, but whatever. 1:48:14.760 --> 1:48:17.720 Did you interact with the young men that played the 1:48:17.760 --> 1:48:21.240 criminals and their dad, like, did you have did you 1:48:21.360 --> 1:48:22.120 meet them at all? 1:48:22.360 --> 1:48:23.760 No? No, not at all. 1:48:23.880 --> 1:48:26.160 I don't think I was ever and that was There 1:48:26.160 --> 1:48:28.920 were times when I hate to admit this, because no 1:48:29.400 --> 1:48:32.880 actress worth her sault really will, but I will there 1:48:32.880 --> 1:48:36.200 were times where I did. This all came together so 1:48:36.320 --> 1:48:39.519 fast that I didn't even have all of the script 1:48:39.640 --> 1:48:43.280 in my head, so I didn't know. I certainly didn't 1:48:43.320 --> 1:48:47.719 know what was I think it was Cooper? 1:48:50.600 --> 1:48:51.599 Is it Bradley Cooper? 1:48:51.920 --> 1:48:52.160 Yes? 1:48:52.280 --> 1:48:55.519 Thank you, I'm sorry, Okay, the biggest star of all time? 1:48:55.680 --> 1:48:58.920 All right? Hello? And I can't remember his name? 1:48:59.240 --> 1:49:02.200 Well so did I, Like, I feel so silly, but yes, 1:49:02.360 --> 1:49:03.200 Bradley Cooper. 1:49:03.400 --> 1:49:06.160 Bradley Cooper and I got to ride home in the 1:49:06.280 --> 1:49:09.280 van with him that night. It was a cold, snowy night, 1:49:09.320 --> 1:49:10.719 and I was like, very warm. 1:49:10.760 --> 1:49:11.599 It was very nice. 1:49:14.120 --> 1:49:17.160 Do you ever get recognized by SVU fans in the streets? 1:49:18.080 --> 1:49:20.360 Yes, And I have to say this has been the 1:49:20.400 --> 1:49:21.720 most unexpected. 1:49:22.720 --> 1:49:24.280 It's been so interesting. 1:49:24.400 --> 1:49:28.000 Like I remember where was I in Missouri or somewhere 1:49:28.240 --> 1:49:31.360 and I was returning a car, an enterprise rental car 1:49:31.600 --> 1:49:35.200 in some you know, in some Midwest state, and someone 1:49:35.360 --> 1:49:38.280 came up to me and this actually this woman said 1:49:39.720 --> 1:49:41.680 I think this woman asked me if I was on 1:49:41.920 --> 1:49:46.640 SVU or Usually the way the conversation goes is, do 1:49:46.760 --> 1:49:48.639 what have I seen you before? 1:49:48.720 --> 1:49:50.080 Do you know? Do I know you? 1:49:50.439 --> 1:49:53.840 And I'll say, well, don't, I don't know. But have 1:49:53.960 --> 1:49:56.720 you ever watched Law and Order SVU? And they'll say 1:49:56.840 --> 1:49:59.120 all the time or whatever you know, and then they'll 1:49:59.160 --> 1:49:59.519 they'll go. 1:49:59.520 --> 1:50:01.479 Oh my god, you were on that. 1:50:01.840 --> 1:50:02.360 Haha. 1:50:02.840 --> 1:50:05.400 There was a lady in Macy's once who got it 1:50:05.520 --> 1:50:08.080 right like, she said, are you on Law and Order SVU? 1:50:08.280 --> 1:50:09.640 Right away? She got it like that. 1:50:10.600 --> 1:50:14.120 I didn't get a discount, but you know, oh. 1:50:13.479 --> 1:50:17.719 Come on, and you know your name, Karen has become 1:50:17.760 --> 1:50:20.400 controversial in the past couple of years. 1:50:21.320 --> 1:50:22.560 Now you're spelled with a C. 1:50:23.120 --> 1:50:26.240 And do you feel like do you tell people that 1:50:26.280 --> 1:50:27.600 all the time, like Karen with a C? 1:50:28.479 --> 1:50:30.880 I told somebody that within the last twenty four hours. 1:50:30.960 --> 1:50:34.880 Yeah, you gotta let them know you do, because I mean. 1:50:34.920 --> 1:50:37.800 There's a big, big difference. I mean, you've now you've 1:50:37.800 --> 1:50:39.000 talked to me for a few minutes. 1:50:39.080 --> 1:50:40.080 You know, I'm not like that. 1:50:40.520 --> 1:50:43.320 I'm not. You're not calling the manager, we get it. 1:50:43.520 --> 1:50:44.120 No, I am not. 1:50:44.800 --> 1:50:48.240 I would be busting the manager's ass if that's it. 1:50:48.400 --> 1:50:50.599 I wouldn't call the manager. I'd go right to the CEO. 1:50:51.600 --> 1:50:53.800 This was awesome. Thank you so much. 1:50:53.880 --> 1:50:57.080 Do you have any final thoughts or things that you 1:50:57.080 --> 1:50:59.320 would love to let the audience know, or where to 1:50:59.360 --> 1:51:00.680 find you or anything like that. 1:51:01.000 --> 1:51:03.000 I would just say to you, guys, and to all 1:51:03.040 --> 1:51:05.479 the people that are listening, First of all, I love 1:51:05.520 --> 1:51:07.800 what you do, and I think that you both are 1:51:07.840 --> 1:51:12.200 so wonderful and spirited and fun and you make everybody 1:51:12.200 --> 1:51:14.720 else who watches and listens who listens to you. You 1:51:14.800 --> 1:51:17.479 make everybody who listens to you really feel that way too, 1:51:17.720 --> 1:51:20.920 And I feel like we live in a time where 1:51:20.960 --> 1:51:24.960 that is so important that kudos to you. 1:51:25.040 --> 1:51:26.040 Thanks for doing this. 1:51:26.800 --> 1:51:30.000 You ca Wow, that's so nice. 1:51:30.520 --> 1:51:32.559 We're coming up on Thanksgiving, who knows. 1:51:33.240 --> 1:51:34.880 Yeah, thank you. 1:51:36.080 --> 1:51:38.479 Yeah, any last minute like tidbits you want to throw 1:51:38.520 --> 1:51:41.080 out before we this has been great, but we can 1:51:41.160 --> 1:51:42.679 let you get on with the rest of your day 1:51:42.840 --> 1:51:44.000 and just. 1:51:43.960 --> 1:51:49.120 Say thanks to Beth for yees. Yes, Beth is so amazing. 1:51:49.280 --> 1:51:51.720 I mean, look, you meet people in your life and 1:51:52.439 --> 1:51:54.920 you have a relationship with them at one point, and 1:51:54.960 --> 1:51:58.000 then ten, fifteen, twenty years later they come back into 1:51:58.040 --> 1:52:00.479 your life and look what happens it really, I mean, 1:52:00.920 --> 1:52:03.599 I would say that's my philosophy is you never know 1:52:03.720 --> 1:52:04.559 and don't give up. 1:52:05.160 --> 1:52:16.200 Yeah. Perfect, and yeah, oh man, she's so fun. I 1:52:16.240 --> 1:52:19.000 just love that she loved doing it and what a 1:52:19.000 --> 1:52:21.519 fun character. One of those characters that's just like, yeah, 1:52:21.520 --> 1:52:23.240 they're not in the credits at the beginning, but they 1:52:23.400 --> 1:52:24.040 make the show. 1:52:24.160 --> 1:52:24.360 You know. 1:52:25.120 --> 1:52:27.599 Yeah, we need science to solve the crimes we need 1:52:27.640 --> 1:52:29.799 and we need a little joke to give us levity 1:52:29.800 --> 1:52:32.960 when there's a dead body splayed out, and she's the 1:52:32.960 --> 1:52:34.720 one to give it to us. And she's been a 1:52:34.760 --> 1:52:39.120 staple throughout the seasons and I just really enjoyed her. 1:52:39.120 --> 1:52:42.360 And thank you to her niece that made this all happen. Yeah, 1:52:42.439 --> 1:52:44.759 oh my gosh, yes, her niece that we saw in Raleigh. 1:52:44.800 --> 1:52:47.800 Thank you so much for putting it all together. I mean, 1:52:47.880 --> 1:52:49.719 I don't know what we do for a post mortem 1:52:49.760 --> 1:52:50.000 on this. 1:52:50.200 --> 1:52:53.000 It's like, don't listen to your brother when he but 1:52:53.120 --> 1:52:55.360 I guess he was fully abused, So I don't know 1:52:55.400 --> 1:52:57.000 what to say. 1:52:57.160 --> 1:52:58.599 He was abusing the dad too. 1:53:00.040 --> 1:53:04.280 But in terms of the real like, there's really nothing 1:53:04.479 --> 1:53:09.679 it is. It is beyond sadistic what happened to these people. 1:53:10.240 --> 1:53:13.400 I was happy that she got married to that guy. 1:53:13.400 --> 1:53:15.519 That was like a nice little silver lining of a 1:53:15.600 --> 1:53:16.880 really horrific thing. 1:53:17.479 --> 1:53:19.080 Yeah, I'm glad they found love. 1:53:20.360 --> 1:53:21.559 But just. 1:53:23.600 --> 1:53:25.160 It's really sobering. 1:53:25.280 --> 1:53:28.720 I don't know, I really hated that crime, not that 1:53:28.760 --> 1:53:31.000 I love any of them at all. You know, what 1:53:31.120 --> 1:53:33.599 was fun when we talked about microchips for our four 1:53:33.640 --> 1:53:36.800 to twenty episode, that was. 1:53:36.680 --> 1:53:39.000 Now, that was a good time. Oh. 1:53:39.080 --> 1:53:42.360 I guess one thing is I guess sometimes it pays 1:53:42.360 --> 1:53:45.000 to be a snob and take a cab, right. Those 1:53:45.040 --> 1:53:48.760 people just fully missed getting the shit murdered out of them. 1:53:49.120 --> 1:53:53.960 Like, Oh, speaking of microchips, though, last night in the hotel, 1:53:54.000 --> 1:53:58.679 I was watching Shark Tank compilations as you do. Well, 1:53:59.240 --> 1:54:00.519 it was a full episode, but then it was like 1:54:00.520 --> 1:54:03.280 an old episode of like it's our ten year anniverse 1:54:03.360 --> 1:54:06.240 or one hundredth episode, and they were reliving like the 1:54:06.320 --> 1:54:09.920 biggest hits, the biggest moneymakers, their favorite presentations, and then 1:54:09.920 --> 1:54:12.840 it was like, let's roast these losers, and so they 1:54:12.840 --> 1:54:15.240 were like making fun of the worst presentations on Shark 1:54:15.280 --> 1:54:20.639 tank history. And one was a microchip guy who the 1:54:20.760 --> 1:54:23.240 clip they showed was him going and the incisions made 1:54:23.280 --> 1:54:28.080 behind your ear and the sharks go incision, and he goes, yes, 1:54:28.200 --> 1:54:32.560 it's a surgery, and it's like the sharks were like, 1:54:32.720 --> 1:54:36.000 we're not investing, and for that reason, we are all out. 1:54:36.240 --> 1:54:40.360 We're not incisioning and putting little microchips in when we 1:54:40.440 --> 1:54:42.920 did the research you went into like your hand, well 1:54:42.960 --> 1:54:44.520 yeah this was I don't even know what he was 1:54:44.560 --> 1:54:46.600 trying to do, but it was something to put behind 1:54:46.640 --> 1:54:47.080 your ear. 1:54:47.200 --> 1:54:50.520 And the sharks were all like hysterically then laughing at 1:54:50.560 --> 1:54:53.520 him and like they just incision. 1:54:54.040 --> 1:54:54.600 I like that. 1:54:55.160 --> 1:54:57.720 Yeah, they really couldn't believe it. But I do love 1:54:57.760 --> 1:55:00.680 shark tanks so fucking much. You know, well, you know, 1:55:00.720 --> 1:55:03.880 I just like when people's dreams come true. Yeah, and 1:55:04.080 --> 1:55:05.360 people's dreams come true there. 1:55:05.760 --> 1:55:08.520 Yeah, and it's for having a good idea, yeah, and 1:55:08.640 --> 1:55:10.760 little k and I like seeing the products out and about. 1:55:10.800 --> 1:55:13.560 But this is not a Shark Tank podcast, but maybe 1:55:13.560 --> 1:55:14.360 we could start one. 1:55:14.440 --> 1:55:15.120 I wish it was. 1:55:15.480 --> 1:55:19.600 You know, Jared Freed knows the Bantam bagel people. You're 1:55:19.640 --> 1:55:20.120 an idiot. 1:55:20.320 --> 1:55:22.200 No, I'm kidding. She just she shook her head. Now 1:55:22.440 --> 1:55:23.520 what you know what? 1:55:23.760 --> 1:55:26.040 There was a review on the podcast that says, why 1:55:26.120 --> 1:55:27.320 does Lisa hate Kara? 1:55:27.760 --> 1:55:29.280 And I don't think Lisa hates. 1:55:29.040 --> 1:55:31.200 Me, but I do think when you tell me that 1:55:31.240 --> 1:55:33.800 I'm an idiot for not knowing what Bantam bagels is, 1:55:34.120 --> 1:55:38.560 it might be what people are talking about. Yeah, there 1:55:38.600 --> 1:55:41.680 is a review that says, I hate Kara, but then 1:55:41.720 --> 1:55:43.320 they gave five stars. 1:55:42.920 --> 1:55:44.360 Like they didn't mind that I hated you. 1:55:44.520 --> 1:55:47.960 Why does Carra Lisa hate Kara? I? 1:55:48.120 --> 1:55:49.200 Yeah, I don't at all. 1:55:49.240 --> 1:55:51.840 But this is this This could be used against me 1:55:51.880 --> 1:55:55.200 in the court of law for sure. No, there's these 1:55:55.240 --> 1:55:57.920 little bagel balls with cream cheese filled in them, and 1:55:57.960 --> 1:56:00.360 then they had their own little brick and mortar in 1:56:00.400 --> 1:56:03.120 New York, and then Starbucks licensed it, and then they 1:56:03.160 --> 1:56:06.200 just sold the company, but being in every Starbucks store 1:56:07.000 --> 1:56:09.840 is huge. And then they had frozen ones whatever. But 1:56:09.880 --> 1:56:13.680 they asked our friend Jared to invest in the beginning 1:56:13.680 --> 1:56:19.120 and he didn't and he he doesn't love that regrets. 1:56:19.600 --> 1:56:21.000 Gotta be open to that kind of stuff. 1:56:21.080 --> 1:56:21.480 Jay Train. 1:56:22.200 --> 1:56:23.760 Now he's just sports gambling. 1:56:23.840 --> 1:56:25.440 I feel like a lot of men in my life 1:56:25.440 --> 1:56:27.840 have gotten very into sports gambling lately. 1:56:28.080 --> 1:56:29.360 I can name four right now. 1:56:29.520 --> 1:56:33.800 Really yeah, people, I think it's like pre depression, post COVID. 1:56:33.960 --> 1:56:38.040 Everyone's just like trying to get a nut off, and 1:56:38.200 --> 1:56:40.520 so they just cause I'm just out and about. Or 1:56:40.560 --> 1:56:41.880 I was in a green room and a comic was 1:56:41.880 --> 1:56:44.680 watching a fight and he was like, oh, I'm like 1:56:44.760 --> 1:56:47.440 what the fuck? And then I went, did you bet 1:56:47.480 --> 1:56:48.360 money on this fight? 1:56:48.520 --> 1:56:49.080 And he did? 1:56:49.200 --> 1:56:52.640 And that's what happens now. And then our friend's boyfriend 1:56:52.760 --> 1:56:54.160 was like, Okay, I gotta go to the bar. I'm 1:56:54.160 --> 1:56:55.560 gonna meet you guys later. I got to watch the 1:56:55.640 --> 1:56:57.640 end of this game and I was like, did you 1:56:57.760 --> 1:56:59.280 just bet? What is happening? 1:57:00.120 --> 1:57:01.960 But you know, in this last midterms, I think a 1:57:01.960 --> 1:57:04.680 lot of the measures for that would loosen up sports 1:57:04.680 --> 1:57:07.400 betting and a lot of States didn't pass, so I 1:57:07.400 --> 1:57:09.160 think a lot of people don't want that to become 1:57:09.200 --> 1:57:09.920 a big thing. 1:57:10.600 --> 1:57:12.160 No, I'm sure it's all the wives that are like, 1:57:12.200 --> 1:57:14.000 can you not spend our kids college money? 1:57:14.400 --> 1:57:15.600 Yeah, that's true. 1:57:15.880 --> 1:57:18.280 That's true because I just heard of another secret divorce 1:57:18.360 --> 1:57:19.880 and someone told me not to tell anyone, so I 1:57:19.880 --> 1:57:20.720 forgot who it was. 1:57:20.800 --> 1:57:25.640 But gambling is what's caused it. Yeah, thank god. My 1:57:25.760 --> 1:57:28.320 husband is so scared of gambling. He watches me do 1:57:28.360 --> 1:57:29.400 it and he's like, please stop. 1:57:30.880 --> 1:57:32.120 I'm the problem. It's me. 1:57:32.680 --> 1:57:35.520 No, Karasa, she's addicted to gambling. I go, No, you're not, 1:57:35.600 --> 1:57:38.200 should go and it's like, no, an addiction could be 1:57:38.200 --> 1:57:40.480 something you do once every two years, because once I'm there, 1:57:40.520 --> 1:57:41.320 I don't stop. 1:57:41.760 --> 1:57:45.480 When I'm there, I'm super laser focused and I'm crazy. 1:57:45.760 --> 1:57:47.800 But I will say I always say I'm addicted to 1:57:47.840 --> 1:57:49.880 gambling in so far as you can be addicted as 1:57:49.920 --> 1:57:51.400 something you do every two years. 1:57:51.960 --> 1:57:54.560 And I'm drying to go back to Vegas. I want 1:57:54.560 --> 1:57:56.960 to go to Vegas. I want to see the drag queens. 1:57:57.000 --> 1:57:58.920 I want to see a pop superstar, I want to 1:57:58.960 --> 1:58:01.360 see oiled men, and I want to play the. 1:58:01.360 --> 1:58:02.840 Sex in the city. Little game. 1:58:03.040 --> 1:58:06.120 Yeah, okay, let's make a plan. All right, let's move on. 1:58:06.720 --> 1:58:10.160 Tell everybody about what what's Sister Peg do? Okay, So 1:58:10.240 --> 1:58:12.200 for this week's what would Sister Peg Do, which, as 1:58:12.240 --> 1:58:15.160 you know, is our weekly segment where we send you 1:58:15.160 --> 1:58:19.040 guys in the direction of a book, an organization, an article, 1:58:19.240 --> 1:58:22.040 a podcast even that will flesh out more about what 1:58:22.080 --> 1:58:25.160 we talked about on today's episode. I was thinking about, 1:58:25.200 --> 1:58:28.760 you know, the plot of the show and how you know, 1:58:28.920 --> 1:58:32.120 this kid was being completely terrorized by his brother and 1:58:32.160 --> 1:58:33.880 so was the father. And so I found this article 1:58:33.920 --> 1:58:38.280 called Sibling Bullying and Abuse colon the Hidden Epidemic by 1:58:38.400 --> 1:58:42.520 Darlene Lancer. It's from Psychology Today, and it's often called 1:58:42.520 --> 1:58:44.600 a forgotten abuse because a lot of people that think, oh, 1:58:44.600 --> 1:58:47.160 it's just sibling rivalry, but like, there's a lot of 1:58:47.200 --> 1:58:51.680 times where it escalates into violence and sexual assault. And 1:58:51.720 --> 1:58:54.160 so I just wanted people to take a look at 1:58:54.160 --> 1:58:56.840 the article and see if you know ways you can 1:58:56.920 --> 1:58:59.400 recognize the signs and resources and stuff like that. So 1:58:59.400 --> 1:59:02.560 that will be in our show notes and you can 1:59:02.560 --> 1:59:07.080 find the article as well, linked in our Instagram and. 1:59:08.240 --> 1:59:10.360 It's a highlight called WWSPD. 1:59:11.120 --> 1:59:14.000 And next week, please join us for the episode Perverted 1:59:14.160 --> 1:59:19.000 and that's season eleven, episode nine and have an amazing 1:59:19.160 --> 1:59:22.200 you know December time and we can't wait to see 1:59:22.240 --> 1:59:22.960 you all next week. 1:59:23.120 --> 1:59:25.120 Bye, guys, come see us live. 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