1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 2: What's up everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Buck 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 2: back with you, Buck? What is going on man? 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 3: And not too much DJ. Just like getting ready for 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 3: a good football weekend. Looking forward to having a great 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 3: conversation with one of our buddies to discuss all things 7 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 3: when it comes to building a team and learn how 8 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 3: to scout. 9 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, we got a fun one today. It is a 10 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 4: conversation we had with Chad Alexander. Chad is the assistant 11 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 4: general manager of the Los Angeles Charger, someone both of 12 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 4: us have known for a couple decades. I worked with 13 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 4: him with the Baltimore Ravens for four years. He spent 14 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 4: twenty years with the Ravens before going to the Jets 15 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 4: as director of player personnel and then coming with Joe 16 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 4: Ortiz to the Chargers as the assistant general manager. He's 17 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 4: got a fascinating football life that looking forward to the 18 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 4: listeners getting a chance to learn about. But really someone 19 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 4: who needs to be a general manager in the NFL. 20 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 4: I think that time is coming. He's been around winning organizations. 21 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 4: When you think about the time that he spent with 22 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 4: the Ravens and how successful they were in UH and 23 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 4: being just every single year, just a rock solid organization. 24 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 4: And look the Chargers, it's early in the season, but 25 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 4: they're off to a great start in the Jim Harbaugh era. So, 26 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 4: without any further ado, here's our conversation with ch Had Alexander. 27 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 5: Chad Man. 28 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 4: I appreciate you taking the time for us today. I 29 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 4: know it's a it's a game week. By the what 30 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 4: time does the plane leave, by the way on Friday? 31 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 4: I need to make sure I don't miss that thing. 32 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I don't know. I think it's around 33 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: one around there, something like that. I know I'm gonna 34 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 1: be ready to go Friday morning. I want I don't 35 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: want to miss it. 36 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 4: So, yeah, it's gonna be a fun one this week 37 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 4: going to Cleveland Chargers at the Browns. I want people 38 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 4: to hear a little bit about your your story a 39 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 4: little bit, and then we'll get into the team building 40 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 4: and roster construction and some fun stories along the way. 41 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 2: But for for those who don't know, is there a 42 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 2: better childhood than to grow up around the teams that 43 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 2: you had a chance to grow up around because of 44 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 2: your father? 45 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 5: It was, it was it was awesome. I mean I 46 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 5: look at it as almost like a football camel lot. 47 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 5: You know. I was born into a football family. My 48 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 5: dad was a football coach. He was he was, he 49 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 5: was he was. 50 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: He was a coach for many years, you know, and 51 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: he coached at Vanderbilt University. Then he went to the 52 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: University of Miami in the late seventies and was there 53 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: through the eighties, won two national championships there, and then 54 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: went on with with Jimmy with Jimmy Johnson to the 55 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys and in the nineties they won three Super 56 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: Bowls and he was an assistant coach there and just growing. 57 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,279 Speaker 5: Up in that atmosphere it was unbelievable. 58 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: I was able to, you know, work in the equipment 59 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: rooms and stuff like that. 60 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 5: I was a ball boy on the sideline and stuff. Man. 61 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: And uh, just just being able to to to grow 62 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: up and have those experiences. 63 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 5: Man, it was. 64 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: It was awesome and it really kind of kickstarted my 65 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: career obviously, and I look back. I look back on 66 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: those times with very fun fund memories. 67 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, Chad's dads, Hubbard Alexander is the legendary, legendary receiver coach. 68 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 4: All the great receivers, to coach at Miami, then with 69 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 4: the Cowboys. Is throughout his career, do you remember anything 70 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 4: like I know you were young at the time, but 71 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 4: was there anything that you were able to kind of 72 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 4: take from, like maybe like the Cowboys dynasty years that 73 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 4: that maybe you put in your back pocket. I know, 74 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 4: you're just a little kid. Was there anything you put 75 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,119 Speaker 4: in your back pocket as you get into personnel? 76 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, they took everything seriously. They worked hard 77 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: obviously all the time. I was there for the practices 78 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: and training camp and things of that nature. But I 79 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: mean that that was an extremely close knit group, you 80 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: know what I mean. The team was close knit, the 81 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: coaches were close knit. They they formed great relationships with 82 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: each other. The culture was just awesome. You know, just 83 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: to be able to see that firsthand, and to see 84 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,119 Speaker 1: how they worked and how they worked against each other, 85 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: and you know, that old line and how cohesive they 86 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: were and going against guys like Charles Haley every day 87 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: at practice, and you know, watching guys like Michael Irvin 88 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: and Deon Sanders compete against each other. I mean, it 89 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: was it was unbelievable, you know what I mean, just 90 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: to see just to see how how well those guys 91 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: worked together, and how how deeply they cared for one another, 92 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: and uh, and you know, they just had the belief 93 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: that that they would win every game that they were in, 94 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: and and and they were in every game, and and 95 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: they just they just outwilled their opponents and and uh, 96 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,839 Speaker 1: you know, obviously Jimmy, Jimmy was a great coach. 97 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 5: He had a great coaching staff and the lead coaching 98 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 5: staff I think. 99 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, my dad went from there and 100 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 1: he coached Randy Moss's rookie year in Minnesota. Then he 101 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: went on to coach you know, the great Joe Horn 102 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,679 Speaker 1: with New Orleans. So I mean he was extremely blessed 103 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: throughout his career. It was awesome to experience. I mean 104 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: it really left an indeubible impression on me as a kid. 105 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 2: No doubt. So let's let's go. 106 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 4: Then you're a kid, that's your childhood growing up, it's 107 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 4: a football family, you're around it all the time. Take 108 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 4: me through, you know, kind of the college years, and 109 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 4: then how your personnel career got cranked up. 110 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, I went to uh ended up going to Wake 111 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 5: Forest University. 112 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: I was, uh, you know, recruited by the great Jim Calwell, 113 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: who was still a really good friend and mentor of mine. Uh, 114 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: you know, he was the first black head coach in 115 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: ACC history, you know, and had had a great time there. 116 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 5: It was a great experience. 117 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: And then uh, you know, you talk about the power relationships, 118 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: it was really uh my dad's relationship with John Wooten, 119 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 1: who was a pioneer in the NFL and a great 120 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: player and also you know throughout his you know, his 121 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: post playing career and is still doing great things. He's 122 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: actually up for the Hall of Fame as a contributor 123 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: this year. 124 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 5: He's a nominee. 125 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 2: Oh he should That should be a slam dunk. 126 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 5: That should be a slam dunk. It really should be. 127 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 5: You know. Woo's an awesome, awesome guy. 128 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 1: And he was working for the Baltimore Ravens at the 129 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: time when I was just getting done with college and 130 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 1: and this is nineteen ninety nine, and he gave me 131 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: my first opportunity to uh to to have. 132 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 5: An interview with the Ravens and uh, you know, kind 133 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 5: of nailed the interview and never looked back. 134 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: It was there twenty years, you know, worked there obviously, 135 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: Uh in ninety nine, Actually, Joe Hortiz, who was our 136 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: general manager here. He picked me up at the airport 137 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: for my interview there with the with the Ravens back then. 138 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: So I've been been knowing Joe for for for a 139 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: long time and uh, you know, was there for for 140 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 1: many years and started out a personnel assistant, kind of 141 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: grew grew through the ranks and scouted the West, uh, 142 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 1: scouted the Midwest, the scout of the Southeast, and. 143 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 5: Then came back in house, was the assistant director. 144 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: Of of pro personnel with the Ravens there and then 145 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: then had an opportunity to go with another good friend 146 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: of mine, Joe Douglas, who was a general manager of 147 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: the New York Jets, with him to the to the 148 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: Jets as a as a directive of player of personnel 149 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: and spent five years there. And uh, you know, Joe, 150 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: Joe's a great, great guy, great personnel guy, and uh 151 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: and uh and and then you know, I had was 152 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: blessed with the opportunity to come here to come to 153 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: the Chargers uh as assistant general manager. 154 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 5: And uh, it's been a great experience, it really has been. 155 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to I want to touch on the 156 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 4: Ravens years and then I'll let Buck get in here 157 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 4: and jump into this. But the during that time, it's 158 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 4: twenty years, it's it's two different coaches right with Brian 159 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 4: Billick and John Harbaugh, but a fabric and a culture 160 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 4: that was firmly ingrained. I don't think it really changed 161 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 4: that much, uh, you though you have different coaches. Ozzie 162 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 4: knew Some is going to go down as the greatest 163 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 4: executive in the history of the NFL. He's already in 164 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame as a player, should be in 165 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame as an executive. Well, what would 166 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 4: you say you learned the most from from Ozzie in 167 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 4: terms of the staying power and building something that lasts 168 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 4: and it's still cranking to this day. 169 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 5: Ozzie. 170 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: You know, you can't say enough good things about Ozzie. 171 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: I mean, just a model of consistency. Like you said, 172 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: he's a Hall of Fame player, he's a Hall of 173 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: Fame executive as well. He deals with nothing but truth 174 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: and transparency. He could articulate his management style. He's extremely inclusive, 175 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: included everyone. He was really you know, passionate about the game, 176 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: extremely professional his account. 177 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 5: But he doesn't ask anybody. 178 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: He doesn't ask anything of the people that work for 179 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: him that he doesn't bring to the table himself every day, 180 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: which is you know, accountability, the professionalism, the passion. And 181 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: he was outstanding in terms of building the culture. You know, 182 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: culture matters most and the quality of the people terms 183 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: the success of the of the organization and uh and 184 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: and it doesn't get any better than the wiz. 185 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 5: You know. 186 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 4: How would you describe the culture though, Chad, Like if 187 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 4: everybody's going to say like, oh, we have a good 188 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 4: culture and people, well, oh that's kind of negulous, Like 189 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 4: what does the culture mean? 190 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 2: How would you describe the culture there? 191 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 5: Yeah? 192 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: Just I mean, you know, genuine transparency, you know what 193 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: I mean, communicating throughout the organization. Uh, you know, throughout 194 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: the personnel staff, throughout the coaching staff. Just no agenda, 195 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: just you know, every everyone. You know, the roles don't 196 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: necessarily matter. It's really no job is too big, no 197 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: job is too small. It's just I would say, just 198 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: complete transparency of the direction that we want to go 199 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: in and uh and just to achieve that ultimate goal, 200 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: which is which is to win, to win a Super Bowl. 201 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 3: You know, Chad, what was really interesting in terms of 202 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 3: your Ravens used is I remember sitting up there as 203 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 3: a young scout and you had a set of older 204 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 3: scouts in the building, our Perkin Shack coach ron coach. 205 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 3: I used to call it the bar shops sent up 206 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 3: there learning that knowledge. And so now, as you said 207 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 3: at the top of the tree, when it comes to organization, 208 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 3: like the organization, why is it important to have mentors 209 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 3: for the younger scouts that are on your staff, the 210 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 3: old heads in the room that can kind of tell 211 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 3: and teach the game in a different. 212 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 5: Way than we may see it when we're young. It's 213 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 5: really important. 214 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: It's it's important, and I think it's it's it's transactional. 215 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I think you you know when you when 216 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: when you're in a position like I am. Now I've 217 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: been in the league. It is my twenty six year. 218 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: But have a group of young scouts and interns that 219 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: they work, they work tirelessly. 220 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 5: You know what I mean, And they're extremely passionate, they're extremely. 221 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,719 Speaker 1: Loyal, and you end up learning just about as much 222 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,719 Speaker 1: from them as as you teach them. So I mean, 223 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: it's just it's just really important to be able to 224 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: have that open and honest communication all the time, always learning. 225 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 5: You know, you always want to come in and supportive role. 226 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,719 Speaker 1: It doesn't really matter what your role is, I think 227 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: I think it's extremely important. And Shack was outstanding in 228 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: term of articulating his management style. 229 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 5: He was really inclusive. 230 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 1: I mean, there was some there were some great coaches, 231 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: some great personnel people that were in that barbershop. 232 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 5: You know, learning from him. 233 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 1: And you know, nobody, nobody was told a better story 234 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: than Shaq Harris, you know what I mean. He was 235 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: one of the greatest storytellers of all time. Guy, he's hilarious, 236 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, he was hilarious. But he also, 237 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,599 Speaker 1: you know, taught me more about scouting than probably anybody. 238 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 5: You know him, you know, and. 239 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: John Wooden was a great mentor obviously, feel Savage was 240 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: outstanding as well. 241 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 5: And then Ozzie just over the. 242 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: Top, you know, and just extremely All of them are 243 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: are extremely competitive and uh you know, they want to win. 244 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 5: And it's just it's it wasn't about them at all. 245 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 5: It was all about it was all about we. 246 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: It was all about us, So you know, just it 247 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,359 Speaker 1: was it was I couldn't I couldn't think of. 248 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 5: A better way to start my career. I was extremely 249 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 5: blessed Well. 250 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 4: One of the things I think of that's a great 251 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 4: conversation there is taking that then on to the field 252 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 4: of having guys player wise that can help mentor and 253 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 4: grow your younger players, just as you're helping the mentor 254 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 4: and grow guys on the personnel side. But like there're 255 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 4: those ravens your chat. I was always amazed, and we 256 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 4: would say this in the meetings, you know, was we 257 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 4: had prototypes at every position. So as a young scout 258 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 4: to go out on the road and say, okay, this 259 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 4: is ray Lewis, Like that's a middle linebacker, Chris McCallister, 260 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 4: and that's a corner like get a Hoload. Not as 261 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 4: a defensive tackle Todd heats the tight end, Jamal Lewis, 262 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 4: Jonathan I. 263 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 2: You go on and on and on. 264 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 4: How much of a benefit is that to kind of 265 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 4: to be around it and and and bring in guys 266 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 4: and see like Hall of Fame level players to be 267 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 4: able to then take that information when you're going out 268 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 4: trying to find the next guy. 269 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: I mean, it's invaluable, you know what I mean. And 270 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: I didn't know it any other way, you know what 271 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: I mean? You know, my second year in the league, 272 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: we win the Super Bowl. And I mean, like you said, 273 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: you don't have to wonder what a left tackle was 274 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: supposed to look like when you go out and watch 275 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: Jonathan Ogden everything practice. 276 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 5: You know what I mean. It's just yeah, yeah, it was, 277 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 5: it was, It was. It was truly a blessing. 278 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: It was truly unbelievable to be able to witness those 279 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: guys at the peak of their careers and their prime, 280 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: and not not only what type of players that they were, 281 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: but just what type of people they were, you know 282 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: what I mean, and uh, just great teammates, extremely accountable, 283 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: really just I mean, just brought a new meaning to. 284 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 5: The word, you know, toughness. 285 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: And you know guys like you know, Terrell Suggs and 286 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 1: Marshall Janda. 287 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 5: You know, those two guys should be in the Hall 288 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 5: of Fame soon as well. 289 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, it was it was unbelievable learning experience, you know, 290 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 1: and like you said, it wasn't hard to try to 291 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: figure out what a player at a certain position is 292 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:35,839 Speaker 1: supposed to look like when you go out every day 293 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 1: of practice and you see a you see an a 294 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: to oh, you see a Hall of Famer at that 295 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: for that, you know. 296 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 5: It's funny that you guys talk about that. 297 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 3: And I don't want to spend all the time talking 298 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 3: about the Ravens years, but I do remember, like scouting 299 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 3: for other teams and how we look fondly at how 300 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 3: the Ravens didn't appear to miss in the first round, 301 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 3: and how sometimes guys didn't necessarily have the measurables and 302 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 3: the traits or whatever, but it appeared that the Ravens 303 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 3: always found a way to take really. 304 00:12:58,960 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 5: Good football players. 305 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 3: So acts taking that from your experience there, like, what 306 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 3: are the things that you look for in a football 307 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 3: player that you feel confident, Hey, this guy is going 308 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 3: to make it, even if some of the measure roles 309 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 3: aren't exactly what we typically look for at the position. 310 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, obviously you always. 311 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: Look for, you know, the biggest, fastest, strongest guy, and 312 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: measurables are extremely important at this level. 313 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 5: But you know, you want to you want to be 314 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 5: able to get the person right, you know what I mean. 315 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 5: And Ozzie was really big on that obviously, and and. 316 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: And Joe Hortiz is big on that. Jim Harbalize is 317 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: big on that. You want to get guys that come 318 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: in here that are ultra competitors, you know what I mean, 319 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 1: that are gonna they are gonna show traits that are 320 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: worthy of developing Guys that have a passion for the game, 321 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,719 Speaker 1: Guys that are extremely intelligent, speed, toughness, and instincts are 322 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: a paramount. 323 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 5: Uh, and what we do. Uh. 324 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 1: But yeah, the goal is to to to build a 325 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: roster full of players that are that are just just 326 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,359 Speaker 1: hungry have a passion for football. 327 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 5: And one of the things Ozzie always said was, hey, man, 328 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 5: you you don't you don't have to. 329 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: Always pick the exact right player. Just don't pick the 330 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: wrong guy, you know what I mean. You know, you 331 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: don't want to bring the wrong guy into the locker 332 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: room because the locker room is you know, those guys 333 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: are smart down there, and they recognize when when you're 334 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: bringing something in that it doesn't it doesn't really mess. 335 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 5: With with what what the culture is supposed to be. 336 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: So uh yeah, I mean, you know, just you know, 337 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: learn learn so much just from observing uh in those 338 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: days and try to and now just trying to to 339 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: apply that to uh to the charges here. 340 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 4: For sure, you spent you spent a handful of years 341 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 4: with the Jets, and we'll get to the Chargers here 342 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 4: and the way things are going on and getting off 343 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 4: the ground early and get to some Jim Harbaugh stuff 344 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 4: in a minute. But you know, that's a that's a 345 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 4: new role for you when you go to the Jets there, 346 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 4: Chad and getting. 347 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 2: A chance of being a leadership position there. What's a 348 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 2: lesson that you took from that time that's benefited you 349 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 2: so far with this great start with the Chargers. 350 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it was it was, it was, it 351 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 5: was great. 352 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: You know, Joe d Uh I think did a great 353 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: job of just connecting the building, you know, I mean 354 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: and and and trying to set the culture. And you know, 355 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: he's extremely passionate and extremely uh a professional in his approach. 356 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 5: He does a great job at talent evaluating. 357 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I think since becoming gym in twenty nineteen, 358 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: he's you know, he's had you know, multiple Pro Bowlers, 359 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: you know, the Rookie of the Year, Offensive Rookie of 360 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: the year, defensive Rookie of the year, you know, eight 361 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: or nine Pro Bowlers, and uh you know, you know, 362 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: we tried to just just work every avenue that we 363 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: could to uh to to to come out with the 364 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: best outcome and the best player that we could. 365 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 5: But but the one thing that that that that that 366 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 5: Joe I think. 367 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: Took from Baltimore and that and that that that you know, 368 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: I try to take, you know, from there as well 369 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: as it's just trying to do your best to connect 370 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: the building and and and and culture. Culture matters most, 371 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: you know. 372 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 2: And we'll be right back after this, you know, accident. 373 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 3: Like now that you moved on to the Charges and 374 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 3: everyone understands like Jim Harbard like revered for the toughness 375 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 3: that he instills in his teams, going back to the 376 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 3: team that we saw in Stanford and San Francisco, Michigan 377 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 3: and now with the Charges, how does that work hand 378 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 3: in hand when you have a coach who believes the 379 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 3: game should be played in a certain manner. How do 380 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 3: you guys make sure that you're on the same page. 381 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 3: From a front office standpoint, Yeah, it's just it's the 382 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 3: same thing. It's really just open and honest communication. It's 383 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 3: a transparency. Jim is a special leader. And I didn't 384 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 3: know Jim before I started working here. The guy is special. 385 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm inspired to be working with him. You know, 386 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 3: everybody raves about him for big reason. He really is 387 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 3: the ultimate competitor. When he says competitors welcome, he really 388 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 3: means it, you know. And he's also he's firm in 389 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 3: his beliefs. He's kind of an old school coach. He 390 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 3: is tough, but he really really cares about people. He 391 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 3: cares about, you know, the family. He wants us to 392 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 3: be a family environment and it is. And he just 393 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 3: you know, he's really smart. He listens really well, and 394 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 3: you know, he's open. 395 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 1: He's open to uh different, different opinions, and he trusts 396 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: the process and he believes in the process. And I 397 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: think he and Joe Hortiz have a great connection and 398 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: they do a great job of connecting the building, you know, 399 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: and and for them, it's it's all about, you know, 400 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: the charge of mentality we call the charge mentality, which 401 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 1: is just rough, rugged, you know, tough players and uh 402 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: and the guys that really bought in, they've done an 403 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: outstanding job of buying. 404 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 2: And I was thinking watching the baseball game last night of. 405 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 4: Just you know, how the details and how you know 406 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 4: you can talk about just being on all the little 407 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 4: details can help you win a championship. And I thought 408 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 4: about that from a personnel side, and what you're dealing 409 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 4: with And one of the things that's been fascinating to 410 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 4: watch is with you and Joe is you guys have 411 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 4: been churning kind of the back end of the roster, 412 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 4: always kind of bringing in new guys, trying out guys 413 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 4: almost on a weekly basis to get a chance to 414 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 4: see if you can upgrade in the margins. And then 415 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:00,959 Speaker 4: I see, you know, coach Hardball being out there at 416 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 4: some practices, just the details, focusing on those little things. 417 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 4: I think there's people that assume every you know, every 418 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 4: team is the same, that all thirty two teams are 419 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 4: operating the same, and they're they're all, you know, focusing 420 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 4: on every minute detail. I don't think that's necessarily the case. 421 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 4: But how how impressive has it been just to be 422 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 4: involved in that process where every day you're just trying 423 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 4: to get a little bit better in every single area. 424 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been really impressive. I've been really impressed with Joe. 425 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: And like I said, I've known Joe for for for 426 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: quite a long time, but he's a tireless worker, you 427 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: know what I mean. He works hard, he's here all 428 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: the time. You know, we're always trying to improve the roster. 429 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: You know, we love the players on our team, but 430 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: we're constantly trying to you know, churn the bottom of 431 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: the roster. We want to get better. You know, it's 432 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: in the discussion is always how can how can we 433 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 1: help the team, you know, get better? You know I'm 434 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: going to make smart decisions. We want to you know 435 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: create you know the cycle obviously of the compis and. 436 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 5: Things of that nature. 437 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: But but you know, it's there's constant discussion about how 438 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: we can get better, always looking at the way we 439 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: were always looking at, you know, practice squads and the 440 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: guys that we can potentially bring in for workouts, guys 441 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: that could upgrade our roster in any way. And the 442 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: big thing is the discussions. You know, the best decisions 443 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: always come through discussions. And we're always talking talking about 444 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: the roster. 445 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 3: You know, I'm looking at this thing because I'm making 446 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 3: notes of what you said, and a couple of things 447 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 3: always show up. Toughness, competitiveness, rugging and rough in those things. 448 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 3: And so we as area scouts back in there, we 449 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 3: used to talk to players and everyone talks about how. 450 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 5: Competitive are and I'm tough and I'm this. 451 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 3: How do you really figure out if a player really 452 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 3: has that toughness and that competitiveness that you're looking for, 453 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 3: because it goes beyond the interviews, Like it was a 454 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 3: little bit of the secret Sauce in terms of determining the. 455 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 2: Toughness and competitives and players. 456 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and uh yeah, Buck, I remember those days 457 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 1: we were back on the road together. 458 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 5: In the West. Man was fun. Man, We had a 459 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 5: good time. But but yeah, you know, it's always a question, 460 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 5: you know, hey, are you tough? Yeah? I'm tough, okay, Yeah, 461 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 5: But it's like, you know. 462 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 2: One to ten, I'm an eleven coach. 463 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: Uh, you know, I think it's just you know, talking 464 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: to as many people as you can throughout the building. 465 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 5: You know, what what's his day to day like? You 466 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 5: know what what what? What's what's this player. 467 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: Like on a day to day basis, trying to find 468 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: out every angle that you can about the player, his 469 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: his preparation, Uh, you know, how he gets ready for 470 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: the week? 471 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 5: What what what's it? What's he like on a day 472 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 5: to day basis? Is he a competitor? 473 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 1: And then you know, obviously the tape doesn't lie, you know, 474 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 1: I just want to, you know, watch the tape and 475 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: and and and and. 476 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 5: Try to make a determination through that. 477 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 1: I think the tape is the most important thing, but 478 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: it's also extremely important to get as much background information 479 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: as you can, talk to as many people as you 480 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: can and just put them through the entire process when 481 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 1: it comes to comparing players and stacking your board and 482 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: trying to get it right. 483 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 5: In terms of the draft. 484 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 2: Chat, we talked a bunch on here. 485 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 4: You know, about quarterbacks obviously, and developing them properly and 486 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 4: giving them a chance. And we've talked for since we've 487 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 4: been doing this over over a decade, we've been talking 488 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 4: about the three p's right. You've got to have the playmakers, 489 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 4: the protection, and a play caller got to have those 490 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 4: things in place to give a quarterback a chance. We've 491 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 4: seen around the league the churning of quarterbacks, man, and 492 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 4: seems like we're chewing up and spitting out a lot 493 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 4: of young quarterbacks in this league, and your opinion, haven't 494 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 4: been around us for two decades. What is the key 495 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 4: to not only identifying and that can be a long conversation. 496 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 4: He's trying to identify the right guy, but then putting 497 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 4: him in an environment that he'll have a chance to 498 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 4: be successful. 499 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you know, in terms of identifying, it's 500 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 1: you want you want to just uh, you know, it's 501 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: the attributes obviously, you know what I mean. Physical attributes 502 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: are extremely important for a quarterback. But then it's just 503 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 1: his mentality. You know, how does he lead? How many 504 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 1: people does he inspire? Does he inspire his teammates, you know, 505 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball, And I just offensively 506 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 1: how intelligent he is. You know, we're fortunate to have 507 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: aquarterback who's a franchise quarterback who is outstanding, uh in 508 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: every sense of the word. He's extremely tough, and uh, 509 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: he motivates his teammates, he's uh, you know, justin Herbert 510 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: is uh is elite in a lot of ways, and 511 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: and so yeah, so so we're extremely fortunate to. 512 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 5: Have a guy like that. But I think I think 513 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 5: it's extremely important. 514 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: You know that there's so much more that goes into 515 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: playing the position than just playing the position, if that 516 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: makes sense, you. 517 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 5: Know what I mean. You got you have to be 518 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 5: a leader, You have to be inspiring. 519 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 1: You have to be that one guy who his teammates 520 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: can look at, you know, through times of adversity to 521 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 1: to to try to to to try to find some 522 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: inspiration and I really feel like we have that, uh 523 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: in Justin Herbert. 524 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 5: I mean, he does an outstanding job in all those categories. 525 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 5: You know. 526 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 3: One of the things that strikes me is people will 527 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 3: say that, uh, if your culture has been around your 528 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 3: offensive and defensive lines, you truly can be a physical 529 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 3: and dominant team that exhibits that toughness. You guys obviously 530 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 3: selected an offensive lineman the first pick of the era. 531 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 1: Uh. 532 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 3: Tell me why it's so important to invest in the 533 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 3: trenches and why it's important to find the right guys up. 534 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 5: Front to be able to get it done. Yeah, it's 535 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 5: I mean it's extremely important. 536 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: You know, you wanna, you wanna, you want to pick 537 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 1: offensive linemen who can impose their will, you know, on 538 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: a defense. And there's nothing more demoralizing to a defense, 539 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: I think, than than an old line that is just 540 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: dominating them, you know what I mean, And there's no 541 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: there's no you know what's coming, you know what's coming 542 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,239 Speaker 1: in simple but you just can't stop it. 543 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 5: And uh, you know, I think I feel like, uh, 544 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 5: Joe All definitely embodies that. 545 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 1: I mean, he's a he's he's a babyface giants, he's fascinating. 546 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 1: I mean, the guy The guy is unbelievable, you know, 547 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: in terms of his work ethic, his approach. You know, 548 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: it just gets done with the with the game on 549 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: Sunday and then you see him out here doing sled 550 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 1: pools early on Monday, and. 551 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 5: Uh, you know, he's just that type of guy. 552 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: And obviously, you know with it with his father's influence, 553 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: I'm sure that that that influenced him throughout his career. 554 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 5: But not many negatives on the guy. 555 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: Extremely intelligent and really a cornerstone type of type of 556 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 1: player that you really want to try to build your 557 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 1: team off of. 558 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 5: And he's been all of that. 559 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: And you know, he's, uh, he's a good leader as 560 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: a quiet leader, and he's growing in that role as well. 561 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: But he's a he's a special But we feel like 562 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: we got a special one in Joe All for sure. 563 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 5: Man. 564 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 4: He's been fun to watch man when you're going through 565 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 4: the process, and Bucky touched on a little bit of 566 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 4: of bringing guys in and trying to figure out, you know, 567 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 4: the toughness component and all that. But one thing I 568 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 4: think if you look at the success, I'm looking at 569 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 4: a lot of the key players you've been around from 570 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 4: Baltimore to the Jets too early on with the Chargers. 571 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 4: There's a lot of those guys that came from name 572 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 4: brand programs, Like you think about all the Miami Hurricane 573 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 4: guys on the on the Ravens. I think of look 574 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 4: at Wilson with the with the Jets. You know, it's 575 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 4: a big name, name brand receiver, who's you know, played 576 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 4: at the highest level on Garrett Wilson. And I think 577 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 4: at Joe Alt which Notre Dames really been an offensive 578 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 4: line factory, uh for quite some time. And even Ladd McConkie, 579 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 4: who's who's on fire right now out of Georgia where 580 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 4: he's playing for national championships every year. 581 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 2: What what goes into that? You know? What? What? What is? 582 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 5: Uh? 583 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 4: What is the reason why those players a lot of 584 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 4: those big name, big school players have have found success. 585 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you know, when you just go into 586 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: their history, you know, some of these guys, their history 587 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: is unbelievable. Like they've they've they've always had success, you 588 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: know what I mean, They've always been. 589 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 5: That dude, you know what I mean, They're they're you. 590 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: Know, coming out of high school and then playing at 591 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 1: the highest level like you said, and then they just 592 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: the level of competition that they face not only on 593 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 1: a week to week basis in the game, but you know, 594 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 1: in practice, you know, they have to they have to 595 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: play against draftable players. 596 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 5: They have to practice against draftable players all the time. 597 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: And you know, when you when you get to see 598 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: a Ladd McConkie uh in the SEC championship game going 599 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: against you know, kool aid and going against some of 600 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: the corners that that that that that that you see 601 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: him going against on a weekly basis. I mean, it's 602 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,360 Speaker 1: pretty easy to see that. You know, once he gets 603 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: to this level, it's not going to be too big 604 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 1: for him, you know. And uh, and I think I 605 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: think that's kind of what sets them apart. 606 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 5: In me for from an evaluators standpoint. 607 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 1: Uh, it's kind of like a scouter's delight to be 608 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: able to see these guys, you know, play against such 609 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: such high competition on a weekly basis, and a lot 610 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: of times when you're talking about players from those big 611 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: name programs, that's what you get. 612 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 5: And uh, you know, it's uh, people try. 613 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 1: To complicate it at times, but sometimes you just break 614 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: it down to the simplest form and and and and 615 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: that that that's that's kind of what you get. 616 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 5: In my opinion, I. 617 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 2: Want to ask you fall up on that real quick. 618 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 2: How valuable is practicing? 619 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 4: I think people, you know, they sit and watch games 620 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 4: at home on television, and I think that's kind of 621 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:42,479 Speaker 4: what scouting is. 622 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 2: But you just mentioned that, Like you. 623 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 4: Go to Georgia and watch a Georgia practice on a Tuesday, 624 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 4: You're going to see Lacockie going up against NFL guys 625 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 4: and one on ones, one read after another. 626 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 2: How valuable are those exposures with these guys? 627 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 5: Extremely? Extremely valuable? You know what I mean? 628 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: Like some of some of these practices, like Georgia practices 629 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: are off the chains in terms of the intensity, you 630 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: know what I mean. 631 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 5: And you know, you got Kirby on the on the 632 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,199 Speaker 5: megaphone on the microphone, and you know it's it's and. 633 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 1: He's challenging guys, and you know what I mean, it's 634 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: just like it's it's it's unbelievably intense. And to be 635 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: able to see that and to see guys compete at 636 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: that level in practice and then for them, you know, 637 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 1: the games are easier than practice at times, and so 638 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: I think just being able to see these guys, not 639 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: only that, just to be able to see him live 640 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: and in person, see the speed of the game, just 641 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: you know you're right there on the sideline next to them. 642 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 1: And uh see see how you know, to see the 643 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: size of some of these players. 644 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 5: It's extremely impressive. You know. 645 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 3: I ask one thing that is really common in your travels. 646 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 3: You've always been around great pass rushers. I look at 647 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 3: who you around in Baltimore. I look at what y'all 648 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 3: assembled in New York and then every day with the 649 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 3: charges you have Joey bos and Khalil Mack and those things. Uh, 650 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 3: what are some traits did you believe are essential to 651 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 3: finding and developing a great pass rushing I mean. 652 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: I think every I think every great pass rusher, no 653 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: matter what it is that that makes him successful, they. 654 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 5: Have a knack, you know what I mean. They have 655 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 5: a knack to not only. 656 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: Get into the quarterback, but finishing on the quarterback and 657 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: uh and and and coming up with sacks, quarterback hits, 658 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: quarterback pressures. 659 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 5: The get off is extremely important. 660 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: Explosiveness, Uh, you know, the athleticism, the arm length is important. 661 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: I think, Uh, you know, just the timing, being able 662 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 1: to time up, you know, getting off the ball and 663 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: you know your second move I think your second move 664 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: and to have to have a counter off your first move. 665 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,880 Speaker 5: And it's a mind game. 666 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: It's really a mind game that they play with offensive 667 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: linemen and how to set guys up. And you know, 668 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: you might see a guy, uh work one move early 669 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: and then and then work a counter off of it 670 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: late and when you set that up perfectly, and you know, 671 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: I remember watching uh, you know, guys like Dwight Freeney 672 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: when he was at Syracuse go against Brian McKinney and 673 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: you know, stuff like that. 674 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 5: That was that was It was like Clash of the Titans, 675 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 5: you know what I mean. 676 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: So Shack with Shack put him in the office to 677 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: watch him, watch him play, watching play against each other. 678 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 5: But but yeah, I mean to answer your question. 679 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I just think, uh, some guys you 680 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: really can't put your finger on why they're so successful, 681 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: but they all have a knack and production is really 682 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: the key when. 683 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 5: It when it comes to pass rushers. Oh. 684 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 4: I could do this for another for another hour, but uh, 685 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 4: this has been awesome chat. I can't thank you know 686 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 4: for your time. My last question, I'll leave you on 687 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 4: this one. This is the most important one because I'm 688 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 4: curious about this Baltimore to New York to Los Angeles? 689 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 2: What do you do with all those jackets. 690 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: I got, I got, I got, I got, I gave 691 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: away a lot of them, jack I haven't gotten any 692 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: jackets here. Don't get too chilly here, so I don't know. 693 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: I got to find on jacket inventory here. 694 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:45,719 Speaker 2: I mean, how much space do you have in your 695 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 2: closet right now? Those those board shorts don't take out 696 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 2: much room? 697 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 5: Man, I know, I know, it's crazy. It's crazy, man. Yeah, 698 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 5: you know we're going to Cleveland this weekend. But I 699 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 5: heard the weather. 700 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: This will be pretty decent. So you know, I got 701 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: to break out, break out the. 702 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 2: Light jacket that you keep one, You keep one for 703 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 2: some road, have a few over. 704 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: The years, like the Ravens. That Ravens varsity jacket had 705 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: to keep you know that strong. 706 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 5: That was strong? All right? Man. 707 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 4: I can't thank you enough for your time, but more 708 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 4: than anything else, I can't thank you. You know, both 709 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 4: of us, Bucky and myself, we've been fortunate to be 710 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 4: a friend of yours for for a couple of decades, 711 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 4: and so proud of you, so excited for you the 712 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 4: job you're doing, and excited to see now we'll get 713 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 4: through this year. 714 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 2: I'm not I don't want to get ahead of it. 715 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 2: But this this this is should be a general manager 716 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 2: in the NFL, and I'm looking forward to that day. 717 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 2: We'll celebrate on this podcast. I can guarantee you when 718 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 2: that happens. Appreciate your time, Buddy. 719 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys, Man, Buck, DJ Man, I love you 720 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: all Man, have a good appreciate. 721 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 2: All right, all right, Buck, that was a fun one. 722 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 2: Great to catch up with. Ax. 723 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 4: He is, uh, just a great dude man and someone 724 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 4: who I'm not saying it's not I'm not going to 725 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 4: throw the blanket over everybody like this, but there are 726 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 4: some people who try and play the game and try 727 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 4: and get their name out there for jobs and politics 728 00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 4: and those things. Chad's never going to do that, never 729 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,719 Speaker 4: has done that. He's just a football guy. He's been 730 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 4: he grew up in a football family and h and 731 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 4: someone who's you know, he's everything does first class. And 732 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 4: you can tell just by talking to him if you 733 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 4: didn't know him, that this guy's got a really really 734 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 4: bright future. Yeah, he just had a bright future. 735 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 3: And having been on the road with him, having talked 736 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 3: to him, having had like real conversation with him about 737 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 3: the business and stuff outside of the business. 738 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 2: Really excited to see him kind of climb the ranks, but. 739 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 3: Also no knowing his influence in terms of being influenced 740 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 3: by his dad and his dad's successes and being around 741 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 3: great mentors and leaders and those things. I think he 742 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 3: has a lot to offer. I think the conversation was 743 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 3: very insightful, and I'm glad we had a chance to 744 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 3: kind of reveal him to the public. 745 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 746 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 4: No, he's uh, he's a good dude, and I really 747 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 4: enjoyed getting a chance to visit with him. He was 748 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 4: very generous with his time, so I hope you guys 749 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,479 Speaker 4: enjoyed that. I appreciate you guys hanging with us. We'll 750 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 4: see you next time. Right here on, move. 751 00:31:55,000 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 5: The sticks, telity SENSI