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Speaker 1: The Around the League Podcast still believes in case Ko.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Around the League Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal. Dan Handas not in the building today,

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Speaker 1: but we still have a couple of heroes, Mark Sessler

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Speaker 1: and Chris Westling for you. He did a pretty good

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Speaker 1: job there. I don't I'm not a big fan of

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Speaker 1: the What Up Boys, but I tried to honor Dan's

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Speaker 1: memory because it's tough to go on without him. He's

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Speaker 1: our he's our favorite host of this entire show. We'll

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Speaker 1: try to get by and we wish him well. We're

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Speaker 1: not quite certain what the dealers, but he will be back.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back on Friday. Absolutely, this is he's missing

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Speaker 1: a big show. K Rich is excited back there. I

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Speaker 1: am excited, guys. I'm ready for this first discussion. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna talk a little Seahawks and whether they're

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Speaker 1: the NFC favorites. We're gonna go over the news with

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Speaker 1: k Rich. We're gonna do a new game and bringing

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Speaker 1: a new guest. Uh, who do you trust? That's our

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Speaker 1: game coming up a little bit. We might uh, we

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Speaker 1: might get a few Thursday night football thoughts, but we

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Speaker 1: promised not too many. Uh, Mark, I'm I'm amazed how

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Speaker 1: you can come into work. I know that you only

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Speaker 1: had like one hour of sleep last night, and you're fine. Listen,

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Speaker 1: I just battle through. Like he We had a going

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Speaker 1: away party for a guy at work, and then after

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Speaker 1: Mark got home from that, his kids didn't let him sleep.

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Speaker 1: And it's like it doesn't matter. You just get used

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Speaker 1: to these things. You just gotta you gotta come in battle.

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Speaker 1: And then I you know when I when West shows up,

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Speaker 1: I feel a new spirit and energy to the room.

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Speaker 1: Glad I could contribute. You were also feeling quite an

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Speaker 1: energy on Monday Night football when the Seattle Seahawks were

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Speaker 1: laying the bang thing down on the New Orleans Saints

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Speaker 1: and we got the halftime or so, we still had

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Speaker 1: thirty minutes more of football to go, and Mark and

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Speaker 1: Dan and pretty much the rest of the NFL Twitter

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Speaker 1: community at that point just awarded the National Football Conference

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Speaker 1: to the Seattle Seahawks, and I quote this is Mark

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Speaker 1: Sessler's Twitter post Seattle versus Blank in the Super Bowl. Well,

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Speaker 1: Dan winn even a step further and said, just hand

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Speaker 1: the title to the Seahawks, because no a FC team

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Speaker 1: can beat Yeah, here's here's Dan's prepare for the first

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Speaker 1: and I just have to be the voice of reason here.

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Speaker 1: Why are the Seahawks a lot to the super Bowl

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Speaker 1: just because they won a game in December? Why are

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Speaker 1: we saying they're gonna win the super Bowl or even

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Speaker 1: make it all? Right? Well, in terms of them getting

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Speaker 1: to the super Bowl, which Dan obviously believes will happen.

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Speaker 1: To let me try to defend him a bit and

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Speaker 1: explain why I wrote that they if the assumption is

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Speaker 1: that they don't lose home field, which like major Earth events,

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Speaker 1: would have to unfold for Seattle not to be the

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Speaker 1: home field team from here on. Okay, that's uh. I

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Speaker 1: not saying, listen, anything's possible, but I don't see a

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Speaker 1: How about the Panthers. I like the Panthers chances a

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Speaker 1: whole lot better than what I saw New Orleans do.

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Speaker 1: How about the forty Niners? Pretty good team. I guess

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Speaker 1: Seattle is surging. They got healthy, they got their line back.

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Speaker 1: They don't even need Percy Harvin to reign points on teams.

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson is playing fast football, and I they have

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Speaker 1: my vote. I feel like we have two years worth

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Speaker 1: of evidence now that they are the best home team

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Speaker 1: and they're really an outlier as far as NFL teams

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Speaker 1: are playing at home. That crowd is is crazy. Russell

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Speaker 1: Seahawks obviously they almost beat them. Did not take those

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Speaker 1: Cardinals take care of them. Last year, the Baltimore Ravens

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Speaker 1: History tells us that a lot of times, what we

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Speaker 1: I just don't see a Niners team right now. I

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Speaker 1: look at Seattle, complete team on all on all fronts.

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Speaker 1: I think we're gonna have a different conversation a week

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Speaker 1: very similar. In the Carol said, thank you, Christal Carol said,

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Speaker 1: I just think the odds are in their favor. I'm

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Speaker 1: taking the field just I guess to be a country.

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Speaker 1: And then rape this statement from Dan. I feel bad

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Speaker 1: I don't understand why it's a given that the Seahawks

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Speaker 1: we haven't even engined Crystal in this NFC discussion. One

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Speaker 1: Let me say first that if if the field wins,

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Speaker 1: greg you and you've you win this essentially this bet,

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Speaker 1: I will cook you a a pot of baked beans. Sure,

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Speaker 1: that would be a gift for me and apiens. I

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Speaker 1: don't really like that. I don't mind. It's not about

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Speaker 1: your way. Crystal is excited about this because she always

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Speaker 1: That's my best Dan here today. That's alright. Starting off

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Speaker 1: number one, Hitsburgh Steeler's head coach Mike Tomlin is fine

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Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars for his little sideline stunt, and

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Speaker 1: to be. I know Wes cannot get enough of this narrative. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars. What is that in our world?

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Speaker 1: Like fourteen dollars? I love how people say that that's

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Speaker 1: only a hundred thousand dollars. Give me a break, it's

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Speaker 1: Tomlin did. Then I would fork over the money and say,

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Speaker 1: we're not talking just team. We're talking quarterback. I listen,

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Speaker 1: Foals has I think people are are cautious to look

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Speaker 1: at what Foals has done and say, yeah, he's got it,

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Speaker 1: But you know what he's done it week after week

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Speaker 1: up going fulls. I'm going Stafford. Uh, you know, I

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Speaker 1: I remember what Foles did in the game. I forget

433
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Speaker 1: which game was, but he he came in for Vic,

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Speaker 1: he had a great game, and then he had the

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Speaker 1: game I think it was Cowboys game where he literally

436
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Speaker 1: couldn't complete the past five years injured. That was one

437
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: bad game, that right, But I but I since then,

438
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 1: you know, is it we were talking in the news

439
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Speaker 1: room yesterday, is this is this Nick Foles? Or is

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Speaker 1: this a product of Chip Kelly system? I mean you

441
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Speaker 1: have guys that are wide open down the field. You know,

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Speaker 1: I would like to think any of us could complete

443
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Speaker 1: some of these throws, and you just you just have

444
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Speaker 1: to wonder at some point or the law of average

445
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 1: going to catch up to Nick Foles. As far as

446
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Speaker 1: Stafford is concerned, Yeah, he's had turnover issues the last

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Speaker 1: few weeks. And yes, you know he does the weird

448
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Speaker 1: side arm. You know, you make some throws and you

449
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 1: wonder what the heck are you doing out there? But

450
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Speaker 1: I think we've seen enough from him now. All the

451
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Speaker 1: injury issues are behind him, and you've seen enough from

452
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Speaker 1: him now where you know that if you need to

453
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Speaker 1: make I'm gonna go back to the Cowboys game. You

454
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Speaker 1: need to make a throw in a tight window, whether

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Speaker 1: it's the Calvin or you know, getting eight Burrols from

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Speaker 1: back was big. I think that to me, I'm I'm

457
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Speaker 1: putting my money on on Stafford in a big game,

458
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 1: in a tight game in the fourth quarter, I'm having

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Speaker 1: trouble separating quarterbacks from offense. And I am too, and

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Speaker 1: I am too, But the temple answer for me is

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Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford is the better player, so I trust him more. Well,

462
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Speaker 1: I think That's that's why I asked about the vacuum thing,

463
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Speaker 1: because if I had to start a team where that

464
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Speaker 1: you speak of it's in someone's garage collecting dust, I

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Speaker 1: would go Stafford as a core quarterback. Now, but I'm

466
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Speaker 1: talking about and you can't separate Falls from the system.

467
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Speaker 1: You could say it's all the system you want, but

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Speaker 1: that's the system he's in. We're talking this year, this team,

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Speaker 1: this offense. Which which guy are you trusting more? That's

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I just can't imagine Nick Foles is

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Speaker 1: going to go the rest of the year and not

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Speaker 1: throw an interception, And not that Stafford won't throw an

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Speaker 1: interception either. I just think I think Falls has to

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Speaker 1: come back to the mean at some point, and I

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Speaker 1: just don't. There's not enough of a sample size to

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Speaker 1: you know what you have with Matthew Stafford. He's in,

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Speaker 1: He's a top eight quarterback in the NFL, with a

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Speaker 1: load of talent and weapons around him, and you don't know,

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Speaker 1: despite the amazing run he's been on, you don't know

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Speaker 1: what you have yet with Nick Foles. His fall has

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Speaker 1: done anything like what Stafford did against the Cowboys, right,

482
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Speaker 1: he hasn't. He's made some impressive throws. He doesn't come

483
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Speaker 1: back and taking a team in the final minutes and

484
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Speaker 1: put him on his back like Staffords. People talk about

485
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Speaker 1: him though, like he's Alex Smith just thinking and Duncan

486
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Speaker 1: out there in front of Michael Bert. We'll get to

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Speaker 1: the actually, yeah, let's get to that now. I'm taking

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Speaker 1: Stafford by the way he can be. I mean, just

489
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Speaker 1: because falls he hasn't done it long enough. And I

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Speaker 1: also think it's not just the offense factor. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's the fact that Stafford I don't know when you

492
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Speaker 1: watch him, he can do anything on the field, and

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Speaker 1: we've seen with all the rookie quarterbacks they usually come

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Speaker 1: back to the pack in the second year. I still

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Speaker 1: trust Stafford more. But let's go to Alex Smith because

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Speaker 1: he's been a topic conversation lately. Who would do you

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Speaker 1: trust more, Michael Berger, Alex Smith or the guy who

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Speaker 1: took his job, Colin Kaepernick. Well this came up earlier

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Speaker 1: in the newsroom and it sounded like they were going

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Speaker 1: to take away my my security badge for even suggesting

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Speaker 1: that I would take Alex Smith over Colin Kamberrith. But listen,

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Speaker 1: I I had some I brought some numbers. I'm not

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Speaker 1: just gonna, you know, talk up here like I'm you know,

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Speaker 1: just on my soap. I come prepared. So here we go.

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Speaker 1: So if you look at their numbers this season, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Alex Smith has the better completion percentage, more pass yards

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Speaker 1: per game, more touchdowns, less interceptions, and he runs for

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Speaker 1: thirty yards a game while Kaepernick runs for thirty one.

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Speaker 1: Their rushing totals are almost exactly the same. Kaepernick does

510
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Speaker 1: have the better passer rating, but I just think you

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Speaker 1: don't Alex Smith in a playoff game. I want the guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you want the guy like Kaepernick who's dynamic and who

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Speaker 1: can make plays and who can as we saw last

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Speaker 1: year against the Packers and you know, and as they

515
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Speaker 1: went on their exactly, yeah, you do want that. But

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Speaker 1: I I have seen, I have watched. He was pretty good,

517
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Speaker 1: but he hasn't been that guy. I think we don't agree.

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00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,479
Speaker 1: He has not been that guy this year because weapons

519
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: away now they're coming back. Well, okay, crap, we don't know.

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00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: You don't know what you have with Michael Crabtree yet.

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Speaker 1: You just don't um And I think if you if

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Speaker 1: you look at which off just the two offenses, have

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Speaker 1: Has the Niners offense been, you know, the greatest show

524
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Speaker 1: on turf? Have they been? Markedly? In fact, both teams

525
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Speaker 1: are averaging exactly twenty four point eight points for games.

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Speaker 1: So it's not like Kaepernick and the Niners are lighting

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Speaker 1: the world on fire offensively. In fact, they're just kind

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Speaker 1: of get their legs under them. And for a while,

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Speaker 1: Kaepernick had a stretch where he couldn't complete a ball,

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Speaker 1: you know, five yards down the field. Here's where I'm

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Speaker 1: start and end with this, and it doesn't It won't

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00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: take long to explain. Jim Harbaugh, Greg Roman, two of

533
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Speaker 1: the best quarterback teachers out there, spent ages watching both

534
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: these guys practice. Their conclusion is the one I agree with.

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Speaker 1: Listen long term. I mean, Kaepernick is the obvious and

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Speaker 1: I'm not no one's gonna say that if you're building

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Speaker 1: a franchise, you'd rather have Alex Smith and Colin company.

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Speaker 1: But I think in the playoffs right now, in the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: I I am. I try to get the plays made

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Speaker 1: down the stretch, not make a mistake, not try to

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Speaker 1: do too much. Kaepernick has been prone this year to

542
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: making one read and then just running or doing something

543
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: thrown out of bounds getting sacked. I'll take Alex Smith.

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Speaker 1: He's not gonna give you the big wow plays, but

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Speaker 1: he will make the plays you need to get a

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Speaker 1: win in the playoffs. Let's go beyond Hardball and Roman,

547
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: who are possibly the two best quarterback minds in the NFL.

548
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: Let's throw in Andy Reid to so you have three

549
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: of the best quarterback brians in the NFL. Game film

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Speaker 1: tells us we don't trust Alex Smith's arm. We don't

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Speaker 1: trust him to make plays. We're not even gonna let

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00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: him test his arm down the field last couple of years,

553
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Speaker 1: for the last couple of weeks, and they have no

554
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: wins the show for it. We can't base it on career.

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00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: When the team other team scores twenty five points, that

556
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: tells you all you need to know about Alex Smith.

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00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: He is who he is, and three of the smartest

558
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Speaker 1: offensive coaches in the NFL know who he is, and

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Speaker 1: they don't trust him to throw. I hate wins as

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00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: an argument for any quarterback because if that's your argument,

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Speaker 1: that's for Alex Smith. We're talking about. Why. Let's have

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Speaker 1: some numbers. They don't trust his arm because his six

563
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: point two yards per a tempt figure is the lowest

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Speaker 1: of any starter in the NFL. He has more passes,

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Speaker 1: more of his attempts have come under ten yards in

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Speaker 1: any quarterback in the NFL. He doesn't trust his arm.

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Speaker 1: His coaches don't trust his arm. And that's look. If

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Speaker 1: you want to win a regular season game, go with

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Speaker 1: Alex Smith. If you want to win a postseason game

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Speaker 1: against a good team, you're gonna need a quarterback who

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Speaker 1: actually does things more than hand the ball off to

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Speaker 1: Jamal Charles and scamper once in a while. It's an

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Speaker 1: interesting question who do you trust? Because you know who

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Speaker 1: Alex Smith is. I don't know who Colin Kaepernick is

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Speaker 1: this year. It changes week to week. I would take

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Speaker 1: the same quarterback he was. I disagree with you, Burger.

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00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: I take Kaepernick today, I take him today, tomorrow, in

578
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: the playoffs, anytime forever. But trust wise, you're not sure

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Speaker 1: what's gonna show up week the week. He has been

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Speaker 1: a matchup quarterback when they have the right game plan

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Speaker 1: and they dial up the right place. He's looked great

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Speaker 1: this year and he makes five throws every week that

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Speaker 1: Alex Smith could never make. I trust that Alex Smith

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00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: is gonna win ten regular season games and lose a

585
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: playoff game, right, and he only wins those games because

586
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: he's because the same quarterback he was last year. He

587
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: didn't have a healthy crab Tree, Vernon Davis has been

588
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: in and out of the lineup. He had Kyle Williams

589
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: starting for half the year and injured Mario Manningham starting.

590
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Speaker 1: These guys can't separate, you can't. It's the same thing

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Speaker 1: with Griffin. You can't ask these guys to do what

592
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Speaker 1: they did last year when when the surrounding ports aren't

593
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: the same. But the league's caught up with them a

594
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: little bit too, because I think the scheme and Kaepernick's

595
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Speaker 1: running ability opened up a lot of big plays last

596
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: year that haven't been there this year. Maybe it's the

597
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: run game. Kaepernick has been a bad runner this year too.

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00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: I think that gets lot. He's been a bad thrower

599
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Speaker 1: for a lot of years. I mean, let's not listen.

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Speaker 1: He's not the same guy that he was, Like he's

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00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: the same quarter but difference as he's not been as

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00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: big a threat running. You have to admit that he

603
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: makes bad decisions. He leaves the pocket too early. He

604
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: hasn't picked up a lot of first down there's a

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00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: lot of five yard runs on third and thirteen when

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00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,479
Speaker 1: he hasn't been pressured that much. So I think he

607
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: has stepped back just a little bit, but I'd still

608
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Speaker 1: take him over Alex Smith. Come on, all right, let's

609
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: let's move on. I tried, I tried. You know what

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00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: are you going? Valiant attempt? There's a Bengals fan and

611
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: he has stuck with him over time, unlike well, listen,

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00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you got a Browns fan here, and you

613
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: know I'm just right exactly, he pretends that he's not

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Speaker 1: a Bengals fan. We've got a big game this weekend.

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00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: In theory, it should be a big game, but it

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Speaker 1: doesn't feel like when Colts Bengals. They both had their

617
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: struggles recently. Which team do you trust more right now?

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Speaker 1: The Colts or the Bengals. Let's start with the recovering

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Speaker 1: Bengals fan. It pains me to say this. The Colts

620
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: are such a bad team right now that I trust

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Speaker 1: the Andy Dalton lad Bengals more than the Colts. And

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00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: this isn't if you If it's which team do you

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00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: trust right now, it's the It's the Bengals by a

624
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: long I mean, no one who has watched the Colts

625
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: for the last month will put any stock in what

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Speaker 1: they're doing on either side of the ball. By the way,

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Speaker 1: I mean they when you're down twenty four three at

628
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: halftime every week, that's not one week, find two weeks, fine,

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Speaker 1: five weeks in a row. There's something going on there,

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Speaker 1: and clearly they have not been the same team. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to put it all on Reggie Wayne because

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00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: I can't imagine that one player has that big an

633
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: impact on what a team does offensively. But they can't

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00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: run the ball. I mean, Donald Brown has been okay,

635
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: but Trent Richon has been an unmitigated disaster. I think

636
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: we'd all agree. And when you can't do, they can't do.

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00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: And they have nobody who can win on the edge.

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Speaker 1: T Y Hilton occasionally, but he's in the slot and

639
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: you can't put him out on the edge and have him,

640
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: you know, beat guys one on one. Kobe Fleaner has

641
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: been nice, but that's, you know, kind of all they have.

642
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: Larious Herod Bay is an US. Then they can't even

643
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: play him anymore. They're now playing Derek Rogers or direc

644
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: I don't know you pronounce it. Who they just signed

645
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: up Lavon Brazil. They need Brazil and Rogers to step up.

646
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Speaker 1: That's how bad. That's their playoff Mark, Do you disagree? Uh?

647
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: It pains me because like when I see a team

648
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: with a quarterback like Andrew Luck and what he's done already,

649
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: it's it's hard for me not to want to just

650
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: side with that. But I now we're taking the Dalton

651
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: team over the Luck team, and it pains me on

652
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: the flip side because, in no offense to the reformer

653
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: and current Bengals fan, but Andy Dalton to me is

654
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: one of the most uninspiring UH signal callers you could

655
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: possibly dream up. And yet the Bengals are the team

656
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: I would trust to go deeper this season. Yeah, and

657
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: I think it also you gotta go defensively here too.

658
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: I mean the Bengals, it's amazing what they've done. No

659
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: Geno Atkins, no Leon Hall hasn't changed for it. But

660
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: they I mean I was at the Bengals Chargers game

661
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: on Sunday and the Chargers moved the ball on everybody.

662
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Speaker 1: You have to work on Sunday, Listen you, I pulled

663
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: a few strings, uh, but I mean they charges to

664
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Speaker 1: move the ball on everybody. I mean, they just they

665
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: march up and down the field. They may not always

666
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: get in the end, Zoe, but they they are Philip

667
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: rivers and that offense moves the ball, and they could

668
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: not move the ball at all on Sunday against the Bengals.

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Speaker 1: If you asked me on the Saturday that the Bengals

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Speaker 1: will play because this is holiday, they have to play

671
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: in the Saturday game in the playoffs, and they're playing

672
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: against the Colts that game which probably can't happen. It's

673
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: not gonna happen in another perfect perfect if you perfect, okay,

674
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 1: you will lose your job. If you pick this game wrong,

675
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: I would I would say Andrew luck will find a

676
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: way to win. That's see well. And and this gets back,

677
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: I mean, this gets back to a sort of a

678
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: you know, a referendum on Andy Dalton. Who do west

679
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: do we trust Andy Dalton. We had a conversation earlier

680
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Speaker 1: that the after Dalton scale that Chris Wesseling came up with,

681
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: basically that it's genius. It's absolutely genius. If you're if

682
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: you're an answer, if you're the future for your franchise

683
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Speaker 1: at quarterback, you're better than Andy Dalton. And anyone that

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00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: after Andy Dalton is not an answer is not an answer.

685
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: And so that's the dividing line. He's the primary radiant

686
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: of NFL quarterbacks, right, And I was thinking, I don't

687
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: know after this year if the scale is gonna work,

688
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: because I'm getting I'm getting to the point I have

689
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Speaker 1: my answer on Andy Dalton. But do you I think

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Speaker 1: he's not the answer. Here's the thing, we know it,

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Speaker 1: do you know? Okay? Here he is? This is he

692
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: is almost you know, to two and three quarters of

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00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: the way through his third season. Okay, is that do

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Speaker 1: you honestly feel? And the answer maybe yeah, you're crazy

695
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: that that is enough time to say you don't think

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00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: that there's a there's a Listen, there are three guys

697
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 1: in NFL history, two guys who have thrown over three

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Speaker 1: thousand yards in the first two seasons, Peyton Manning and

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Speaker 1: Andy Dalton. Okay, now I know that's an inflated stat

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00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: and yards totals don't really matter what, but there Andy Dalton,

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Speaker 1: if you look at over his first now what is it,

702
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: forty three games, whatever it is, you know, the numbers

703
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: are on par with a lot of guys who didn't

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Speaker 1: really blossom until their fourth you know, Joe Flaccos of

705
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: the world. People like that. The numbers are close to

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Speaker 1: what a lot of a lot of people thought that

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Speaker 1: Dalton was who he was when he entered the league

708
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: because he doesn't have physical gifts. But he'll tease you

709
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: he'll have months like he did in October where he literally,

710
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: you know, look like Joe Montana and and so that's

711
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: that's and it's and it's the worst possible scenario for

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00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: a franchise because you you you can't get away from it,

713
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: but you also know that you're probably not gonna win

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Speaker 1: with this guy's your quarterback. That's why the scale is

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Speaker 1: so perfect. But if the answer is that you're convinced

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Speaker 1: he's gonna stay the twentieth best starting quarterback in the league,

717
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: which I'm kind of convinced that at this point. I mean,

718
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: he was awful in September. If if you believe that,

719
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 1: then we might have to change the scale after the season.

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Speaker 1: You've heard of a quarterback holding his offense hostage. Gino

721
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: Smith is doing that right now and Dalton, and Dalton

722
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Speaker 1: is holding his organization host question, not the offense. Like

723
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 1: if you decide he's your quarterback. That's that's a position

724
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: that you can't upgrade. Then you're stuck as a media.

725
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: It's an institutional nightmare. I say, give another guy a

726
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: shot to just to be in the middle. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you threw Cam Newton or Russell Wilson or even

728
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of an even Jake Cutler on

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00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: the Bengals, I think they might. Who are again, who

730
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Speaker 1: are you going to? This is the question comes up

731
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Speaker 1: all the time. Who if you get rid of Dalton?

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00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: Who's going to get rid of him? You just try

733
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: to find another option and see whatever. Let me say

734
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Speaker 1: it from the other Ohio team, having Dalton versus the

735
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: train wreck of trying to find someone is better. But

736
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Speaker 1: if they as long as they aren't committed to him

737
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: long term and being willing to draft and play other

738
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Speaker 1: guys because that is a talented team that it's like, wow,

739
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: you cannot buy them because of the quarterback. That's really rough.

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Speaker 1: All right, Let's move on to the next one. Seattle

741
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: Seahawks defense or Panthers defense. We obviously trust both of

742
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: these groups, but if you have to choose one, this

743
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 1: is the toughest one you've posed yet. For me, I think,

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00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: can we say if the Seahawks are playing at home, Sure,

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00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: the Seahawks are playing at home. I would take their

746
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: defense over any teams. I mean I just let's say

747
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: a neutral field. What about on a high school field

748
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Speaker 1: in the middle of Iowa in a vacuum, in in

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Speaker 1: the high school field in a vacuum, and I Charles

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Speaker 1: Johnson is healthy. Yeah, sure, this is this is a

751
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: little bit. This is a little bit tricky because we

752
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: just saw the Seahawks come off a just a mind

753
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: boggling defensive performance. The Panthers just smacks around Mike Lennan,

754
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: the next greatest rookie quarterback. Feel like the deciding factor

755
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: for me is the Seahawks have beaten better offenses than

756
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: the Panthers have. I'm gonna go with the Seahawks too,

757
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: And I just think, you know, you go with they have.

758
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: I don't the The Panthers clearly are fundamentally sound at

759
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: all three levels, and they have guys that can make

760
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: plays in the front four and on the back end.

761
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 1: But I there are legitimate superstars on the Seahawks defense

762
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: that when you need a play, you know it's gonna

763
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: get made. From Richard Sherman. You know that, you know,

764
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: somebody in that front four is gonna get pressure up

765
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: the middle. Cliff April's having a nice year quietly, you know.

766
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: I just think that that's I'm going with what I

767
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: the known quantity for me right now, and we've seen

768
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: it the last few years of the Seahawks. We haven't

769
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: seen it from the Panthers. Obviously done a great job

770
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: and they've built that. We had Charlie Cashley on the

771
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: Around the League Show yesterday and he talked about how

772
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 1: that defense was built almost exclusively through the draft. I mean,

773
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: they have just brought in these guys that have fitting

774
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 1: that system perfectly. Um. But I mean, I think it's

775
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,479
Speaker 1: hard to pick against the Seahawks. Well, when I would

776
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: go listen today, i'd go Seattle. But Carolina another defense

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Speaker 1: that's built through the draft, and they've done an outstanding

778
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: job bigging bringing in talent in the last couple of seasons.

779
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: I don't think we've seen Caroline anywhere near its best

780
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: on defense. I'm taking Carolina for the same one of

781
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: the same reasons that you took Seattle is that top

782
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: tier talent. You need someone to make a play to

783
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: win the game. Charles Johnson, Greg Hardy Thomas. Sorry, I'm

784
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: taking those guys, Luke Kickley taking those guys over all

785
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: the Seattle guys. Seattle I think has a lot of talent,

786
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: but it's a little more about scheme Carolina and Riverboat Ron.

787
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: They're just it is if possible that Chickley doesn't get enough.

788
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: I mean he is. He has almost single handedly turned

789
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: that defense. I mean they I mean, yes, they've gotten

790
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: a lot better in the draft, and they've obviously played well,

791
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: but I mean people who talk you know that when

792
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: we talk about that team, and people who know that

793
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: team say that he has almost single handedly turned that

794
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: defense into a month ago, that they were in the

795
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: NFL over the previous games before drafting Keekley, and second

796
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Speaker 1: in the NFL after drafting right, That's incredible. May pose

797
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: a question for all of our twitters out there who

798
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: always want to hear a fantasy You have the Panthers

799
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: defense and the Seahawks defense on your fantasy team. Are

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00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: you playing the matchup or are you sticking with the

801
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: Hawks or are you sticking with the Panthers. I think

802
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: he got a matchup. I go matchup. We'll let the

803
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 1: Twitter followers maybe jump in and say who you would

804
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 1: a this week last one? Quickly? Gino Smith or Matt McGloin.

805
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: Who do you trust? Quick? How do you? How do you?

806
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: How do you? How do you not? Whoever? Gino Smith?

807
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: And you know, Babe Loffenberg. I'm picking. I'm picking. It's

808
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: got a good arm. I'm picking anybody not named Gino

809
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: at this point. I think mclovin is the better quarterback

810
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: right now. But I picked the Jets to win this

811
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: game for obvious reasons. Oh you you just don't want

812
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: to eat your pants? But uh, I feel like this

813
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: is not good to have Burger, who we watch around

814
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: the League show every day. It's clear Burger never listens

815
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: to the Round the League podcast. America's favorite bet and

816
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: game and running gag right now is will Chris Westling

817
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: eat his softball? Chris Westling said before the season, if

818
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: the Raiders get to six wins, he will eat his

819
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: softball pants. They're at four right now. This is a

820
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: basically who wanted? You have to get this because it's

821
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 1: so I think it's over. They don't get to win.

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Speaker 1: Matt Sims to start, Wow, what did I walk in?

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Speaker 1: I'm taking all right? Um? Before we leave, We're going

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Speaker 1: to go to another quick segment that I love to

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Speaker 1: get to because Chris Westling, you know, he doesn't have

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Speaker 1: a family. Um, yes, and his family, gentleman, little listeners

827
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Speaker 1: know that I also live under a bridge. You know,

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Speaker 1: he has a mild drinking problem. But what he really

829
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: what he really has is a love for total package,

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00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,959
Speaker 1: for game rewind and NFL shortcuts and all the ways

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Speaker 1: to all day long. So we called this segment what

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Speaker 1: west is watching? And I know you've been watching a

833
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: little bit of the Patriots lately, have I was really

834
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 1: impressed Brady made some throws against the Texans, three throws

835
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: in particular to uh Gronkowski, Edelman and Verena think that

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00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: I just thought no other quarterback is making these throws.

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Speaker 1: Also noticed this is gonna send. But Julian Edelman is

838
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: one of the most athletic players in the NFL. Why

839
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: is that odd? Isn't he like the best punt return

840
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: in NFL history history, that diving play into the end zone.

841
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: You just don't picture him as he's a former college

842
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: don't dominate the mac like he did and not be

843
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: a phenomenal acts your name. Yeah, and he's the leading

844
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: receiver on the team this year. I think that's kind

845
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: of nobody expect making the leap except candidate Julian Edelman.

846
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: We had it. We had it before the season. So

847
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: to peel back the veil, all you have to do

848
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 1: on this show is to pitch Greg a segment that

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Speaker 1: speaks possibly about the Patriots, and it's like, yep, we'll

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Speaker 1: tack that in no problem. Yeah. I was talking to

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Speaker 1: Chris yesterday because we do that. I do this quarterback

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Speaker 1: index each week, and every four or five weeks we

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Speaker 1: do a complete rankings one to thirty two. And it

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Speaker 1: was tough to rank Brady because the first seven right

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Speaker 1: weeks you had him low. Early he struggled, But the

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Speaker 1: last five weeks, I think he's been as good as

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Speaker 1: and he was higher than the quarterback you just simply

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Speaker 1: called Brown's quarterback. There is there's like a tech mobile

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Speaker 1: like basically it's like and for a good reason, there

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Speaker 1: is no Brandon Weed and definitely anymore. There's no Hoyer,

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Speaker 1: there's no Campbell, there's definitely no Alex Tanney. There is

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Speaker 1: just Brown's quarterback. You know what happened five weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: Gronk came back. Yeah, and we did. We were at

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Speaker 1: an article in the off season that Tom Brady statistically

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Speaker 1: last year was Andy Rodgers with where Aaron Rodgers with

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Speaker 1: with Gronk on the field and Andy Dalton without him

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Speaker 1: on the field. Forgot the link to that. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: it's not Quinns. I saw Bob Ryan compared Gronkowski said that.

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Speaker 1: He said that Gronkowski is better now than Tony Gonzalez

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Speaker 1: wasn't his prime. And I can't disagree with this right now.

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Speaker 1: Gron changes everything about their office, how defenses have to

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Speaker 1: attack the tight ends, what Dan Marino was in the

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Speaker 1: eighties two quarterbacks and what Dickerson was. He rewrites what

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Speaker 1: you're supposed to do in your first three or four

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Speaker 1: leagues in the year or for four years in the league.

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Speaker 1: He's just really like his a ND stats are incredible

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Speaker 1: compared to anyone who's ever played the game. And you know,

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Speaker 1: Greg said at some point, like a month ago, I

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Speaker 1: think gron Ex actually actually more athletic this year. He

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Speaker 1: says he looks different this year in terms of his

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Speaker 1: speed and jumping ability and all that. So he like

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Speaker 1: he couldn't solve simple math equations. But that doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: because Cardinal's wide receiver group. How is Michael Floyd, but

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Speaker 1: it's playing better than by far. Here's the stat that

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Speaker 1: Mark will love. Over the last three weeks, only one

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Speaker 1: receiver in the NFL has more yards than Michael Floyd,

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Speaker 1: and it's Josh Gordon by two twenty five yards. All

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Speaker 1: nobody's even close to Josh Gord. I watched a fair

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Speaker 1: amount of the of the Cardinals Eagles game month Sunday,

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Speaker 1: and I said to my brother, I said, Michael Floyd

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Speaker 1: is a legitimate and ifel quicker with the ball in

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Speaker 1: his hands than I thought. He's at number one received

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Speaker 1: as I think you know arians last year with Reggie

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Speaker 1: Wayne in in in Indianapolis did an amazing job reviving

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Speaker 1: Wayne that people didn't want Wayne. He does an excellent

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Speaker 1: job coaching receivers, and I think Floyd is the beneficiary.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of receivers, all Sean Jeffrey have one of the

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Speaker 1: best games I've ever seen by a wide receiver, making

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Speaker 1: catches over the middle, diving for balls that touchdown that

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Speaker 1: now everyone's seen another eight yard touchdown where he outrace

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Speaker 1: this guy was supposed to be slow coming into leg

902
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Speaker 1: a fat, slow guy. He's outraising the defense Brandon Marshall

903
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Speaker 1: said at the beginning the year that al Shan Jeffrey

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Speaker 1: will rewrite all the Bears records, which sounded silly at

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Speaker 1: the time because Brandon Marshall will have all the Bears records.

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Speaker 1: I think he's right, and I think that's that's that.

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Speaker 1: Then again, Marty Booker has the records right now. It's

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Speaker 1: not that's that's a big testament to Mark Trestment. I

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Speaker 1: mean that that just getting I mean getting out, getting

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Speaker 1: the ball out of the hands quickly, whether it's Cutler

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Speaker 1: or McCown. Jeffrey went on the outside like that, and

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Speaker 1: that's just though he was he had the rep as

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Speaker 1: being fat. And this season a lot of things that

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Speaker 1: this chatter that's gonna bubble up around some of these

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Speaker 1: prospects that just get washed down the river with negative talk.

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Speaker 1: I'm not listening to the manager. Come in and play

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Speaker 1: and we'll see how we'll judge you. Then, all right,

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Speaker 1: before we take off, we got to mention there is

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Speaker 1: a game on Thursday night. What do you got now, Mathew?

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Speaker 1: That's I like Ryan, like Ryan Matthews. Oh yeah, every

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Speaker 1: player in the NFL. He's the exact opposite of what

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Speaker 1: his reputation was supposed to be coming into the season.

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Speaker 1: He was supposed to be soft, couldn't take a hit.

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00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: He runs like a battering ramp. Yeah, he's the exact

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Speaker 1: opposite of what everyone thought he was going to be.

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Speaker 1: The other player his quarterback. Yeah, well, I think with

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Speaker 1: Matthews it's just that he hasn't been able to stay

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Speaker 1: on the field for anyone that's ever He's always run hard.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's change. He's running harder maybe now

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Speaker 1: and more effectively saying on the utilizing a little differently.

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Speaker 1: They're not giving him twenty five carries a game and

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Speaker 1: everything is between the tack You're right, another good offensive coach.

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Speaker 1: This isn't They don't put people in the Pro Bowl

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Speaker 1: for this. But if there was a position in the

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl for first and second down running back, I

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Speaker 1: think Ryan Matthews would be one of the top two

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Speaker 1: or three running backs down in the Pro Bowl. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure I've ever seen that form at this year.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on all right, Um, as

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Speaker 1: I mentioned, there is a Thursday night football game this

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Speaker 1: week Houston Texans, Jacksonville Jaguars, NFL Network be there. We

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Speaker 1: forked these teams, I believe early September. It was a

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Speaker 1: while ago, uh that we forked these teams, so they've

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Speaker 1: been done a while. I think the only question really

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Speaker 1: in this game is whether we think Chris's boy, case Keenum,

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Speaker 1: has any chance to be the quarterback there, and whether

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Speaker 1: Houston is gonna take a quarterback next year. Well, he's

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Speaker 1: he's my boy. I still have faith in him, but

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Speaker 1: I don't expect the Texans to go into next year

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Speaker 1: with him as the starter, because I think there'll be

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Speaker 1: a new coach And why would the new coach keep

952
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Speaker 1: a guy who was a system fit for Kubiak and

953
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: isn't known to have great physical tools. Oh and by

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Speaker 1: the way, if Jacksonville pulls this one off, they've won

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Speaker 1: four of five and the Texans probably get the number

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Speaker 1: one pick, in which case they will take a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And remember remember how close it was when the Texans

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Speaker 1: won those first two games that they easily could have

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Speaker 1: They could easily be ow in twelve right now, by

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Speaker 1: the way they could be, they could have like six wins.

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Speaker 1: Remember they were up twenty three on along the way.

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Speaker 1: And I've heard people make the case that maybe Kubiak

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Speaker 1: won't be fired. I don't see that. That's insane. It

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Speaker 1: you have to sell him and everything else. No team

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Speaker 1: has packed it in more than this team. What about

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Speaker 1: Rick Smith? Rick Smith keep his job? I think so.

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Speaker 1: I think so. I think he's drafted pretty well. He

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Speaker 1: only has hired one head coach. They came in together

969
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Speaker 1: and he did pretty good. You know they's done. It's

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00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 1: Kubiak gotta go. And if Kubiak's gone, then Keenam is

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Speaker 1: essentially a non factor. Just you know, battling for snaps

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's totally out of mix, but they're not

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Speaker 1: going to count on as fond of him as it

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Speaker 1: was a month ago. I think he's a great backup.

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Speaker 1: He can get but he's like a Ryan Fitzpatrick. You

976
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Speaker 1: can get by with him for three or four games.

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Speaker 1: He could be better than He's got more upside. He's

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Speaker 1: not a guy you're gonna bring in the next year

979
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Speaker 1: when when he's shown that he can't really play well.

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Speaker 1: And just like my good looking girl at school that

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Speaker 1: like you were way into and then like two months

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Speaker 1: later you're like up, moved on? Could that be nick fole?

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Speaker 1: This them this problem I have with women, They can't

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Speaker 1: they can't read a blitz. They just don't understand the

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Speaker 1: magic of West quite yet. They were Crystal's ears are

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Speaker 1: perking up there ready to just go nuts. But she

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Speaker 1: I think she was satisfied with that one. Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: should go out on that. Yes, Uh, Friday, we will

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Speaker 1: be back previewing all the games. Dan Hansis will be

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Speaker 1: back in the chair, and we can't wait for him

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Speaker 1: to be back. We're also gonna potentially fork a team.

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Speaker 1: We decided to put push that off until Friday for

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Speaker 1: a special reason. Yes, I think we'll be talking about,

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Speaker 1: you know, Dan's team potentially. We don't know that for sure.

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Speaker 1: We gotta let Dan William. The committee has not yet met,

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Speaker 1: so we'll talk about that on Friday. We'll pick all

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Speaker 1: the games. It's been a pleasure, Michael Burger to you.

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Speaker 1: It's been the pleasures all on this end of the table.

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Speaker 1: And I hope maybe I can do this against them. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: please watch around the league on NFL Networks. I hope

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Speaker 1: you're listening to me. Boss is out there. Me too,

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Speaker 1: By the way, Boss is out there. It's on. It's great.

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Speaker 1: That's it for today's show. Please download, tell your friends

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Speaker 1: to subscribe, Give us good comments. I'm just gonna shill

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Speaker 1: Dan doesn't do enough. Let's just shill and and if

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Speaker 1: and if your friends. But if the download rate, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's a huge spike. I think we all know that

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Speaker 1: this is. That was no accident, by the way, Burger, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's the burger bomb for Michael Burger and

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Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, Chris Wesley and k Rich behind the glass.

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00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 1: Dan hands us in absentia and lyle that piece of

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Speaker 1: until Friday. I wouldn't want to be Mrs Ryan after

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Speaker 1: that game, or ever she must be at no pun intended.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the NFL. Wait, what

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Speaker 1: is it? Roundly off to a flying start. Don't get

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Speaker 1: the ideas, Crystal,