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Speaker 3: Good morning, Welcome to Breaking Points. Crystal is in for

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Speaker 3: the one only Ryan Grimm, so we've replaced Ryan grim

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Speaker 3: with the one and only Crystal Ball.

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Speaker 2: It's great that Ryan is kind of irreplaceable if we're

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Speaker 2: being honest, though.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's singular. He's singular. We'll put it back here.

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Speaker 2: It's singular, very true. Lots of big stories to get into,

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Speaker 2: including some significant developments in Iran. They launched an attack

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Speaker 2: on the US and Jordan. This is really the first

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Speaker 2: time that they have attacked without it being a sort

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Speaker 2: So that is a very significant development. We'll dig into that.

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Speaker 2: The filmmaker who followed Lindsay Graham around in the last

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Speaker 2: some new raw footage and to talk to us about

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Speaker 2: what he was up to in those final days. This

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Speaker 2: comes on the heels of Graham's memorial services yesterday, attended

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Speaker 2: by all sorts of dignitaries and very interesting speeches there

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Speaker 2: emily eulogy from Trump and also from Sean Hannity, you know,

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Speaker 2: and oh yes, explains.

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Speaker 3: There this is the funeral program, and it was I

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Speaker 3: got it if we promised to talk about how to

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Speaker 3: praved Sean Hannity's eulogy was and that seemed like a

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Speaker 2: To me, easiest deal you've ever made. Well done, Securious.

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Speaker 3: Stick around because we have a little bit of sound

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Speaker 3: from Hannaday's eulogy.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, we've also got Jasper Nathaniel. He's going to join

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Speaker 2: to talk both about Nan Yahoo. I think this was

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Speaker 2: his eighth visit to DC with Trump, and he's saying

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Speaker 2: didn't go so great. For from his perspective, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: We'll see what edge what Jasper thinks about that. And

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Speaker 2: then even more significantly, he's just back from a trip

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Speaker 2: Those programs have only escalated since his departure, so he's

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Speaker 2: in the West Bank. We've got an interesting story here

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Speaker 2: about the Shopify CEO apparently coming out against democracy. He

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Speaker 2: thinks that if you don't pay income taxes, you shouldn't vote,

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Speaker 2: oligarchs these days. And then we've got a whole bunch

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Speaker 2: of polls. We say Texas here because there's a pole

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Speaker 2: She's a DSA candidate to be the Democratic gubernatorial nominee.

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Speaker 2: Emily just running away with that race at this point,

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Speaker 2: our Iran blog, Trump had to come out and make

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Speaker 2: respond to Iranian attacks from yesterday. Let's take a listit

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Speaker 2: of that.

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Speaker 5: President Trump reacting to that Iranian attack on US forces

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Speaker 5: overnight and Jordan. President Trump tells Fox News about Iran,

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Speaker 5: we are going to beat the effing s out of them,

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Speaker 5: He went on to say, We'll be hitting them hard.

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Speaker 5: They're going to get a beating. So clearly the United

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Speaker 5: States is going to respond to what the President described

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Speaker 5: as a surprise attack. He says US forces had just

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Speaker 5: minutes to shoot down these incoming Iranian ballistic missiles. The

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Speaker 5: and it was US forces conducting this operation to defend

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Speaker 4: He said it was real time.

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Speaker 5: They were calling out coordinates and ensuring that none of

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Speaker 5: President about those US and Saudi air strikes against Iran

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Speaker 5: backed Iraqi Shia militias overnight. He says those strikes were

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Speaker 5: coordinated with the Iraqi government. He called these Iran back

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Speaker 5: considering additional warnings against Iranian proxies and their link to

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Speaker 5: the Iranian regime. The President also talked about his meeting

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Speaker 5: He says it was a great meeting, adding he understands

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Speaker 5: now it appears that the relationship between President Trump and

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Speaker 5: going to let them keep talking. Remember, the Iranians came

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Speaker 2: There you go, the President in response to Iranian attempted

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Speaker 2: And any sign of negotiations or any idea that this

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Speaker 2: are completely off the table.

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Speaker 3: Emily, Yeah, absolutely, And we have already lost twenty American

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Speaker 3: troops in that neighborhood, in that ballpark. Unfortunately, I'm not

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Speaker 3: But there's a non zero chance that we see more

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Speaker 3: American deaths in the days to come if this escalates.

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Speaker 3: As President Trump says, We're going to beat the fucking

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Speaker 3: terrifying sign. Of escalation potentially. Now, of course, Trump likes

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Speaker 3: to talk an escalatory rhetoric and then not actually do

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Speaker 3: the escalation part of the escalatory rhetoric. Sometimes sometimes he does,

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Speaker 3: sometimes he doesn't. So yet to be determined what actually happens,

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Speaker 3: especially as reports mount about our munition stockpiles and how

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Speaker 3: you know, the bomb bast you can never ignore, of

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Speaker 3: course when it's Donald Trump, And that's kind of his point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, the analysis from yesterday and the

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Speaker 2: day before that stands. Okay, Let's say that you do

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Speaker 2: That's unlikely to change the fundamental dynamics. The other options

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Speaker 2: get to the remainder of our analysis, and so you

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Speaker 2: The US has lied about these sorts of things in

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Speaker 2: on US forces based in the Middle East. All Iranian

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Speaker 2: missiles were successfully intercepted. US forces remained vigilant and had

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Speaker 2: really quite significant because previously Iran has mostly responded to

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Speaker 2: occurred at a time when there's no ceasefire in place anymore,

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Speaker 2: but there had been no exchange of fire for several days.

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Speaker 2: So for Iran to be the ones that break that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think back to the first month

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Speaker 3: of the war, whereas an a pen and pad with

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Speaker 3: Senator Ron Johnson, Republican Senator Ron Johnson, who described this

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Speaker 3: as a two week bombing run. We're not six months

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Speaker 3: in the MU has fallen a park and there's really

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Speaker 3: no right now, there's no indication that this is going

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Speaker 3: to slow even in the near future. As if to

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Speaker 3: underscore a Crystal's point, let's put the next element up

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Speaker 3: on the screen. This is a good point made by Sinatuci,

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Speaker 3: who posts the CNN article with the headline few ships

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Speaker 3: risk straight of Hormoves crossing and none US route promoted

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Speaker 3: by the US. So Tuccy points out Trump restarted the

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Speaker 3: war because he wanted ships to abandon Iran's designated route

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Speaker 3: through Hormuz for the.

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Speaker 4: US backed route.

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Speaker 3: Weeks later, after major escalation and Brent going back above

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Speaker 3: one hundred dollars, every transiting vessel is using Iran's designated route.

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Speaker 3: None none are using the US route, so hardly going

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Speaker 3: according to plan Crystal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right, and this is crucial because this

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Speaker 2: shows you who is in control here and who is

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Speaker 2: setting the pace in terms of the global markets. That's

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Speaker 2: before I even talk about now the disruptions in the

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Speaker 2: Red Sea adding to the pressure in the global oil markets.

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Speaker 2: There are some workarounds that Saudi Arabia is able to use,

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Speaker 2: including a pipeline, and you do have access to the

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Speaker 2: sus Canal. The very large cargo ships that are used

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Speaker 2: typically for transporting oil cannot fit through there. There are

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Speaker 2: some workarounds to eat some of the pressure, but things

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Speaker 2: are looking pretty grim, and that is a very telling indication,

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Speaker 2: you know, all of the war of rhetoric, aside of

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Speaker 2: who is actually in control here and who is able

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Speaker 2: to determine what is going to happen with the global markets.

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Speaker 2: At the same time, wanted to just throw this in

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Speaker 2: there because it's I'm not quite sure what to make

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Speaker 2: of it, but there's a new pull out that shows

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Speaker 2: that the public is trusting Republicans at this point slightly

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Speaker 2: more than Democrats on Iran, which, given how dismally unpopular

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Speaker 2: the Iran War is, how dismally unpopular, Trump's handling of

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Speaker 2: the Iran War is, I think has to be read

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Speaker 2: as a complete and utter indictment of the Democrats' ability

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Speaker 2: to formulate a coherent opposition and articulate their position. Let's

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Speaker 2: go ahead and take a listen to a little bit of.

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Speaker 10: This and April accordin to a Washington Post hips Paul,

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Speaker 10: the Democrats are more trusted by two points again close

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Speaker 10: marchin no clear leader, but look where the shift has been.

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Speaker 10: If anything, the shift has been in the Republican direction.

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Speaker 10: Now the Republicans and Donald Trump are trusted more by

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Speaker 10: two points on a run. So again, over the course

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Speaker 10: of the war, of anything, the Republicans have been the

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Speaker 10: ones that have been gaining ground, which I think just

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Speaker 10: goes so opposed to all of the news coverage that

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Speaker 10: we have seen so far and all of you know,

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Speaker 10: the media, you would think, hey, but no, the American

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Speaker 10: people are actually trusting the Republicans and Trump, if anything,

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Speaker 10: more now than they were let's say, halfway.

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Speaker 2: Through the What do you think about that?

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Speaker 3: M I don't know what to make about that, because

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Speaker 3: it is so close. The swing is going from plus

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Speaker 3: two Dens plus two Republicans.

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Speaker 2: But you would think, I mean, just offhand, you would

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Speaker 2: think it would be Democrats by thirty points, given how

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Speaker 2: much everybody hates this war. But so I think it

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Speaker 2: has to be the fact that the Democrats are kind

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Speaker 2: of quiet about the Iran war because a lot of

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Speaker 2: them are very hawkish, you know, a lot of them

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Speaker 2: sort of low key support it. They don't have a

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Speaker 2: clear cut position, they haven't been adamant in their opposition

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Speaker 2: or had a really coherent articulation exactly. Yeah, that's primarily

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Speaker 2: what it's boiled down to. So I think it has

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Speaker 2: to be that, you know, at least the Trump has

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Speaker 2: the position, although it changes day to day of whether

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Speaker 2: we're annihilating them or whether we're talking to them and

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Speaker 2: we're going to be besties, you know, in the next

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Speaker 2: few days. But I also think it ties into we're

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Speaker 2: going to talk later on about you know, all the

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Speaker 2: Democratic Socialists who are doing really well in their elections

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Speaker 2: and it looks like there's going to be a sweep

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Speaker 2: right now. You've got Abdullah sayad up on Hailey Stevens.

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Speaker 2: Newpole came out that shows him leading significantly in that race,

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Speaker 2: even in spite of the fifty million dollars being spent

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Speaker 2: against him. You got Francesca hang who is leading. You

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Speaker 2: got Peggy Flanagan over in Minnesota who is also leading.

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Speaker 2: And I think it speaks to the fact that they

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Speaker 2: do have a clear message on Iran and is what

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Speaker 2: the public wants to hear. It's part of what is

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Speaker 2: giving them credibility in their campaigns as well. So this

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Speaker 2: should be I mean, not that they'll they care, they'll listen.

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Speaker 2: But this should be a warning sign to Democrats that

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Speaker 2: the public really wants a fierce anti war resistance. And

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Speaker 2: if you're doing if you're just staying silent, or you're

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Speaker 2: doing a little bit of process complaints, so Trump's not

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Speaker 2: doing this horrific war the right way, then you're really

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Speaker 2: missing the vote.

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Speaker 3: It takes moral clarity out of the equation if you're

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Speaker 3: just making process complaints, because deep down you would have

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Speaker 3: supported Biden doing some level of this, probably not exactly

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Speaker 3: in the same way that Donald Trump did, but process

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Speaker 3: aside the substance, the kind of end goal, the stated

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Speaker 3: end goal, at least it does remove the measure of

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Speaker 3: moral clarity that is needed to probably have a resounding

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Speaker 3: level of public trust. So yeah, it's on a silver

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Speaker 3: platter right now for Democrats. And to see that poll,

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Speaker 3: I think you're right, Crystal, it's interesting that it's not

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Speaker 3: like a five point lead, an eight point lead, lettle One,

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Speaker 3: a ten point lead.

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Speaker 2: Crazy. All right, Well, let's talk a little bit more

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Speaker 2: about the gentleman who was one of the most influential

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Speaker 2: in pushing for this disastrous war, that is Lindsey Graham.

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Speaker 3: Very excited to be joined now the day after Lindsay

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Speaker 3: Graham's funeral by Alex Hold, documentary filmmaker who actually had

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Speaker 3: the opportunity to follow Lindsey Graham in the course of

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Speaker 3: making this yet to be released documentary.

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Speaker 4: Four and a half years. Is that how long you

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Speaker 4: spent with him?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 11: And a half year.

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Speaker 4: That is incredible.

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Speaker 3: And we just were talking before we went to air

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Speaker 3: about how you were flying back and forth between Los

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Speaker 3: Angeles and Washington, d C. So you must have seen

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Speaker 3: so much kind of through Lindsey Graham's eyes. Oddly enough,

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Speaker 3: over the last very consequential period in American politics before

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Speaker 3: the twenty twenty four election, even you watched all of

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Speaker 3: that through Lindsay Graham's eyes.

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Speaker 4: How caught off guard were you by what happened?

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Speaker 11: I think the thing that caught me off guard the

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Speaker 11: most was really the amount of access that we got, right,

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Speaker 11: I mean, he was generous in that respect, which was

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Speaker 11: definitely something that I wasn't expecting. I mean, I think

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Speaker 11: we had intended there to be something more substantial than

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Speaker 11: you know, just sort of seeing people shake hands and

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Speaker 11: that kind of thing. I think this was It was

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Speaker 11: just totally remarkable that we were going into meetings and

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Speaker 11: into you know, sort of high level conversations that we

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Speaker 11: were capturing. So that was definitely something that I wasn't expecting.

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Speaker 11: But yes, I mean, the amount of things that have

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Speaker 11: happened in the last four and a half years is extraordinary,

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Speaker 11: and he was at the forefront of almost all of

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Speaker 11: these issues, so it was amazing to capture these moments

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Speaker 11: all the way through this process.

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Speaker 3: We have a new clip that we can show folks here.

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Speaker 3: This is the late Senator Graham talking about his work

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Speaker 3: with Benjamin Netanyahu and the ICC.

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Speaker 6: Let's take a look, right, Bohemian judge, I would say,

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Speaker 6: but will state in Europe.

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Speaker 12: To have to appeal to the court to say, okay,

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Speaker 12: we want to reveal this before you do anything. There

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Speaker 12: has to be a revealed about the entire process, whether

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Speaker 12: the prosu was motivated.

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Speaker 13: Right, the original action exactly exactly.

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Speaker 12: Clowns. This state has to be removed and everything has

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Speaker 12: to be exposed. And then you said a letter with

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Speaker 12: maybe with some other lectors I don't know, Kennedy Democrats,

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Speaker 12: but you should. But if not, then the group maybe the.

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Speaker 6: Group you have.

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Speaker 9: I tell you, the perfect person would be the speaker

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Speaker 9: Speaker Johnson.

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Speaker 13: Speaker Johnson, no to have to have him on the letter.

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Speaker 13: I don't know. I won't, no doubt try, but I

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Speaker 13: will try. I promise you that.

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Speaker 3: Well a lot to talk about just based on that

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Speaker 3: clip alone, because your level of access is extraordinary, clearly,

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Speaker 3: and Lindsay Graham is not just any other senator. This

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Speaker 3: is a man who is a deep personal relationship with

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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister of Israel in wartime and with the

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Speaker 3: President of the United States, and so you are seeing

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Speaker 3: foreign policy be hashed out in real time as you're

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Speaker 3: taping this documentary. One thing I just want to start with.

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Speaker 3: He looks diminished to me physically in that clip alone.

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Speaker 3: So do you remember when that was taken? And then

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Speaker 3: did you get a sense that maybe all of this travel,

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Speaker 3: the stress of the travel had started to wear on him?

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Speaker 4: So this passed.

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Speaker 11: Yes, So this particular clip, it was actually a stressful period.

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Speaker 11: He was campaigning in Ohio for the upcoming presidential election.

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Speaker 11: He had just come from a rally with Don Junior,

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Speaker 11: and so we were in rural Ohio and we actually

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Speaker 11: stopped off because he needs to go to the toilet,

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Speaker 11: and he comes out and we're sort of filming all

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Speaker 11: the way, all of this except when he goes to

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Speaker 11: the toilet and then he says, you know, the Prime

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Speaker 11: Minister is back to call, and you know, honestly we

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Speaker 11: don't even know which prime minister is about to call, right,

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Speaker 11: and don't heads of state would be calling all the time?

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Speaker 12: Wow.

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Speaker 11: So so he says, that's probably good TV. So you know,

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Speaker 11: he really wanted this stuff captured. It wasn't just by them.

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Speaker 11: I mean, it was always by the buy in the

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Speaker 11: sense of there were days where you know, we'd be

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Speaker 11: filming and not that many interesting things would happen, And

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Speaker 11: then there were days and then we'd actually get quite

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Speaker 11: upset because we started getting greedy, like you know, these

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Speaker 11: things were happening quite often. But then there were times where, yeah,

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Speaker 11: the primaries of Israel would call. So I think he

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Speaker 11: was under pressure, but not so maybe in the context

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Speaker 11: of the election more than sort of all the traveling

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Speaker 11: he was doing. Later in the process, there was signs

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Speaker 11: of him really being quite tired and also sort of

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Speaker 11: mentally tired as well from all the things he was

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Speaker 11: dealing with.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, that is interesting because it caught everybody off guard.

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Speaker 3: His death obviously caught everybody off guard. But when you

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Speaker 3: look back on it, it did seem like there were

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Speaker 3: signs he was getting older, and he was traveling to

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Speaker 3: Ukraine right before he passed, and so much traveled to Israel.

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Speaker 3: You want to show some clips here from the funeral.

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Speaker 3: So this is President by the way, we have the

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Speaker 3: program from the funeral right here. I mentioned this earlier

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Speaker 3: in the show, but somebody gave this to me on

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Speaker 3: the condition that we talk about how weird Sean Hannity's

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Speaker 3: eulogy was to be charitable. So we're going to take

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Speaker 3: a listen to the president himself. First, let's listen to

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Speaker 3: B three. This is Donald Trump at Lindsay Graham's funeral yesterday.

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Speaker 8: He did things got in Washington. Virtually everyone Republican or

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Speaker 8: Democrat liked Lindsay. Well, not everybody, but it sounds good.

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Speaker 4: Not everybody. He was a tough cookie.

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Speaker 8: Okay, I have to be I have to revere from

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Speaker 8: this versa. He was a tough cookie, Darley, but he

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Speaker 8: was beautiful. Our nation needs more men and women like

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Speaker 8: that great person sitting laying wherever he may be. I

658
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Speaker 8: think I know where he is, and I think he's

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Speaker 8: up there. I think he's watching us. I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 8: of it. He was extremely hawkish. I will tell you

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Speaker 8: he never saw a war that he didn't like. Only

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Speaker 8: his true friends would understand that.

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Speaker 3: All right, now, let's take a listen to Fox News

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Speaker 3: host Sean Hannity, who was a close friend of Senator Graham's,

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Speaker 3: and this is a bit from his eulogy.

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Speaker 14: Lindsay, mister President, I'll argue, in my mind, probably has

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Speaker 14: a heavenly version of mar A Lago. It may even

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Speaker 14: be a little bigger. He may have a little more

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Speaker 14: gold in the oval office in his mansion in heaven.

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Speaker 14: And I wouldn't be surprised if he added one big,

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Speaker 14: beautiful ballroom and a arch somewhere on the property, because

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Speaker 14: you would want to obviously duplicate his dearest friend in life, you,

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Speaker 14: mister President.

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Speaker 3: A couple of other quotes from the Handiti eulogy. Senator

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Speaker 3: Graham was great for ratings. He was a shameless self promoter.

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Speaker 3: Nobody ever said Lindsay Graham dot Com more than he did.

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Speaker 3: At one point turned to Tim Scott and said, he

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Speaker 3: always knew you had much higher pull numbers than him.

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Speaker 4: But he respected that. He was happy for you.

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Speaker 3: I think is what the rest of the Hannity comment was.

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Speaker 3: So just wanted to get your reaction, Alex to what

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Speaker 3: happened yesterday. Having spent so much time with Lindsay Graham,

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Speaker 3: what do you think he would have felt about the

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Speaker 3: funeral proceedings?

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Speaker 4: No big surprises, I suppose, No.

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Speaker 11: I mean, I think he probably is actually surprised that

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Speaker 11: President Trump almost stayed entirely on script, which I think

688
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Speaker 11: is quite unique and also surprisingly was probably actually quite

689
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Speaker 11: a good speech. I think actually in the context of things,

690
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Speaker 11: maybe not the highest bar to reach. I don't know,

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Speaker 11: but either way, I think he was would have been

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Speaker 11: surprised by that. As to whether or not he's in

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Speaker 11: mar Lago or a great in mar Laga right now,

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Speaker 11: I don't know. But yeah, I mean, look, you know,

695
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Speaker 11: he was a consequential politician and incredibly controversial, complicated, and

696
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Speaker 11: I think that his impact was enormous and there will

697
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Speaker 11: be lots of people who will see this documentary and

698
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Speaker 11: see some of the very serious issues are affecting America

699
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Speaker 11: and the world today, him being very influential in those decisions,

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Speaker 11: and there'll be some people who support those decisions. So

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Speaker 11: I think, but what the documentary does is it really

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Speaker 11: shows how it was all done and are real behind

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Speaker 11: the scenes of this, you know this pro which I

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Speaker 11: think personally is fascinating.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's funny to me that, you know, I didn't

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Speaker 3: even notice that the Hannity eulogy was that odd, because

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Speaker 3: I think if you followed Lindsay Graham closely, you did

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Speaker 3: realize that there was a kind of shamelessness that he

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Speaker 3: was comfortable with when it came to fundraising, when it

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Speaker 3: came to promoting Republicans. I mean, there's this clip going

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Speaker 3: around now of him at a Blake Master's fundraiser, and

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Speaker 3: Blake Masters is very, very different kind of Republican from

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Speaker 3: Lindsey Graham, and Lindsay Graham said I'll support any Republican.

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Speaker 4: I just want to get them elected. And some people

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Speaker 4: might look at that and.

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Speaker 3: Say it's kind of cynical power politics, But curious what

717
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Speaker 3: your take is on this. He seemed to really believe

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Speaker 3: in the Republican Party itself, which is kind of an

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Speaker 3: interesting thing these days, there's so much disillusionment about the institutions.

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Speaker 3: But he seemed to be a staunch believer, like in

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Speaker 3: the GOP as an establishment.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, and I think there were there are some moments

723
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Speaker 11: earlier on in the documentary that we capture where you

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Speaker 11: see the difficulties that you had with the sort of

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Speaker 11: old school Republican Party and this sort of new Republican

726
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Speaker 11: Party since President Trump came into it. So I think

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Speaker 11: that's pretty fascinating, and that takes place in the first

728
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Speaker 11: couple of years of us filming with him. I think, yeah,

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Speaker 11: he loved being on TV. He absolutely loved it. I

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Speaker 11: mean I was actually on Meet the Press and I

731
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Speaker 11: was saying to the presenter there how you know, almost

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Speaker 11: on every single time he would go on TV, he

733
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Speaker 11: would send me a text saying I'm on Meet the

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Speaker 11: Press or I'm on Fox, or I'm on Short Hannity tonight.

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Speaker 11: And you know, he loved doing it. You know the

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Speaker 11: number of times we filmed him going from the Senate

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Speaker 11: office into this car, from the car to the studios

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Speaker 11: around the corner. Sometimes he would practice what he was

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Speaker 11: going to say with us, and then I sort of

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Speaker 11: wised up to it, so I said, we're not doing

741
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Speaker 11: this anymore, and he goes, no, no, it's fine, he goes,

742
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Speaker 11: because basically you can use this and not have to

743
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Speaker 11: buy the archive from Fox. Afterwards, so you know, he's

744
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Speaker 11: you know, he loved it and he loved saying his piece,

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Speaker 11: and he really didn't I wouldn't say he didn't cab

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Speaker 11: the criticisms. He was able to sort of brush off

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Speaker 11: quite easily, which I thought was also quite interesting.

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Speaker 3: Well, talk to us about his relationship with Donald Trump,

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Speaker 3: because I don't know that there's anybody in the Senate

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Speaker 3: as close to Donald Trump as Lindsey Graham was, and

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Speaker 3: it seemed to me at least that they had the

752
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Speaker 3: rare type of relationship. One thing people get wrong about

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump is that they think he wants you to

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Speaker 3: come in there and just glaze him, say all of

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Speaker 3: the nicest possible things about him, and never ever offer

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Speaker 3: any pushback. But my interpretation of their relationship is that

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Speaker 3: Trump respected Lindsay Graham because he would come in and say,

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Speaker 3: you know, when he disagrees with others, he's still very

759
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Speaker 3: flattering towards the president, very flattering towards the president. But

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Speaker 3: what was the nature of their relationship? And maybe you

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Speaker 3: know what people don't understand about his relationship with Trump.

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Speaker 11: Too, So I don't give too much away because there

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Speaker 11: are some really interesting moments there. But they did have

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Speaker 11: a good relationship.

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Speaker 4: Overall.

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Speaker 11: He did respect Trump very much, but I think that

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Speaker 11: respect was very much in the context of understanding that

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Speaker 11: Trump is the president and pushing against him is not

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Speaker 11: good for you if you want to stay in what

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Speaker 11: he calls the game. So he will move wherever he

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Speaker 11: needs to move to maintain his relevance and to push

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Speaker 11: his agenda. The other thing I'll say that was very

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Speaker 11: important was really golf. The importance of golf in their

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Speaker 11: relationship was absolutely enormous. I mean the amount of influence

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Speaker 11: or in the amount of things he could push towards

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Speaker 11: President Trump took place on the golf course, and I

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Speaker 11: think that was key in their relationship. So, you know,

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Speaker 11: the number of times again he would say that he

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Speaker 11: was playing golf with Trump, and he would send pictures

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Speaker 11: or selfies of him playing. Sometimes he'll put it on

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Speaker 11: social media as well, say he you know, absolutely that

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Speaker 11: was the key in their relationship. We have some moments

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Speaker 11: in the documentary of them speaking and it's fascinating to

784
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Speaker 11: hear those conversations. So but one of the things that

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Speaker 11: you know he did with respect to Trump is sometimes

786
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Speaker 11: he would say to try and push back against issues

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Speaker 11: that he didn't agree with with President Trump. He would say, well,

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Speaker 11: if you do that, that's sort of what President Obama

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Speaker 11: would do, and that would you know, change his thinking.

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Speaker 4: In some respects strategic.

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Speaker 11: Oh absolutely, he was really he was, you know again, controversial,

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Speaker 11: no question, but smart at being able to push his

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Speaker 11: his agendas.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, let's take a look care of more. This is

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Speaker 4: going to be be too. Get your reaction on the other.

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Speaker 9: Side, y'all should fucking pay me for all this. I

798
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 9: should get tons of shicks. Yeah, bullshit, it's gonna be

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Speaker 9: more in dinner.

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Speaker 13: All right.

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Speaker 9: We got them both. So they both want to do

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Speaker 9: the letter. Yeah, no, I'm so here's why I'm calling you.

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Speaker 9: I'm trying to get out the door Wednesday, Washington time.

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Speaker 9: So send me over whatever you want to say. They

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Speaker 9: want to say. Two things they want to say you

806
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 9: should reconsider not talking to Israel. You should talk to them,

807
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 9: and two you should move ahead until this case the

808
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 9: cloud is lifted, so slow down. No, and both of

809
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Speaker 9: them are Yeah, but but here's what I need you. Yeah, yeah, now,

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Speaker 9: I am I just want to Yeah, but I want

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Speaker 9: you tomorrow.

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Speaker 13: Yeah that's right.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, well yet yeah, yeah, yeah, just just send it.

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Speaker 9: To me, we'll send you to that person. But I

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Speaker 9: do need you, if you don't mind, tomorrow, to call

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Speaker 9: Bloomenthal and Cardon and thank them for being fair minded

817
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Speaker 9: on this and also thank them for trying to help

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Speaker 9: with sorty Israel normalization.

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Speaker 13: He said he'd get me in the second row at

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Speaker 13: the White House. I think thereon.

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Speaker 4: How exploited we just listen to what was that?

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Speaker 11: So that was the subsequent call that he has the

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Speaker 11: Prime Minist of Israel after essentially calling around various senators

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Speaker 11: to get them to support a letter that would you know,

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Speaker 11: support the Prime Minist of Israel in pushing against his

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Speaker 11: at the time pending arrest warrant. I think that the

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Speaker 11: arrestaurant had been issued by the prosecutor and it was

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Speaker 11: now about to be looked at by a panel of judges,

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Speaker 11: and there was some there was a judge that had resigned,

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Speaker 11: another judge had come in, so it was before it

831
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Speaker 11: was actually issued, I believe, And this was a letter

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Speaker 11: to support the Prime Minister in what he felt was

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Speaker 11: an unfair prosecution against him and others in Israel. And

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Speaker 11: I think what was very interesting was in the earlier

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Speaker 11: call that I think we've just heard the Prime Minister

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Speaker 11: is really pushing for Democrats to be on this letter. Yes,

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Speaker 11: And what I thought was very interesting during this moment

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Speaker 11: was that he was calling a Republican to help him

839
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Speaker 11: with that, which I thought was quite quite interesting. And

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Speaker 11: then Senator Graham and spend some time doing trying to

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Speaker 11: find these Democrats that would support this letter. And then

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Speaker 11: he has this conversation with the Prime Minister afterwards. And

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Speaker 11: a little color here. The Prime Minister is actually chairing

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Speaker 11: a at the time, a security meeting, you know, in

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Speaker 11: the midst of the Gaza war, so he's actually been

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Speaker 11: pulled out of this meeting to discuss this issue, which

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Speaker 11: I think is pretty extraordinary. And you know, Senator Graham

848
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Speaker 11: would help people that he was friendly with, but it

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Speaker 11: also had to, you know, sort of coincide in a

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Speaker 11: line with his own goals. And Senator Graham had been

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Speaker 11: pushing for a very long time a deal with Saudi

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Speaker 11: Arabia and Israel, some sort of normalization day, and you know,

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Speaker 11: Prime minis List was not particularly interested in prioritizing that.

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Speaker 11: So in that conversation it's you know, Senator Graham was

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Speaker 11: really he had one over the Prime Minister. He had

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Speaker 11: helped him out, so now he expected something in return.

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Speaker 11: The thing in return would have been, I want you

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Speaker 11: to agree on effectively, you know, saying thank you to

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Speaker 11: these senators. So it was instructing the Prime Minister to

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Speaker 11: say thank you to these senators or signing it and

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Speaker 11: specifically on their interest in building this normalization between Saudi

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Speaker 11: and Israel. So yeah, and then you can also hear

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Speaker 11: the sort of the jokiness of their friendship as well

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Speaker 11: in that conversation. But but yeah, I think that was

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Speaker 11: a very interesting part of the behind the scenes of

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Speaker 11: the sort of diplomatic approaches that they have with each other.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in assuming of course that he would tell Prime

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Speaker 3: Minister Ntnyaho that they're being taped before these conversations, I.

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Speaker 11: Have no idea what he said beforehand.

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Speaker 3: So presumably I guess, well, it's possible then net Nyahu

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Speaker 3: didn't know that he had a documentary film crew with him.

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Speaker 11: I would say that's probably the case.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh my gosh, that's wild.

874
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Speaker 3: What did you learn about Washington over the course of

875
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Speaker 3: this documentary? Because Senator Graham himself embodied a lot of

876
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Speaker 3: old Washington, and people saw him as a bridge between

877
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Speaker 3: old Washington and New Washington. You know, he voted against

878
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Speaker 3: Katanji Brown Jackson after voting to confirm every other Democrats

879
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 3: Supreme Court nominations, and in that sense was kind of

880
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Speaker 3: a new it was a new chapter for old Washington.

881
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Speaker 3: But he was also someone who nea who could call

882
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Speaker 3: to try and get Democrats on the letter, for example.

883
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Speaker 3: So he's an insight into the way the city itself

884
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Speaker 3: worked and works.

885
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Speaker 4: Now what did you learn?

886
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Speaker 3: So?

887
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Speaker 11: I think he, from what I understand, really was quite

888
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Speaker 11: a standout in the sort of DC world. He was

889
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Speaker 11: totally wedded to the job, right, I mean twenty four hours,

890
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 11: seven days a week. I mean there was no respite.

891
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 11: He was absolutely working very very hard. I actually think

892
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Speaker 11: he found it well. Think is in there were moments

893
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Speaker 11: where he was really quite disappointed that his colleagues didn't

894
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 11: spend as much time as him on these issues that

895
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Speaker 11: he thought was incredibly important, and was frustrated by this

896
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Speaker 11: and felt under pressure. I think he was, I mean

897
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Speaker 11: honestly more consequential than almost all of the other senators,

898
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Speaker 11: at least from what I understand, in terms of his

899
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Speaker 11: relationships with other world leaders, his relationships with President Trump.

900
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Speaker 11: So in some respects he was quite a unique person

901
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Speaker 11: in Washington, DC, and I think we will see the

902
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Speaker 11: impact of his death with respect to some foreign policy

903
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Speaker 11: decisions that are made in the future.

904
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Speaker 3: With that question, how is he keeping up with his correspondence,

905
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Speaker 3: Like even just the fact that he's texting you about

906
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 3: all of the Fox News hits that he was doing,

907
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 3: which is a lot. He must have been getting inundated

908
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Speaker 3: constantly with text messages, calls. That just sounds like maybe

909
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 3: a silly question, but it seems to me like as

910
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Speaker 3: a United States Center, you have a massive job that's overwhelming,

911
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Speaker 3: and yet he's making time to text.

912
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Speaker 4: You about a Fox News hit.

913
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 3: What did you get from just or what did you

914
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Speaker 3: sense the demand was on him from people trying to,

915
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Speaker 3: you know, cut deals talk to him. He's manipulating, He's

916
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 3: constantly talking to media, including yourself.

917
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 4: What did you see just on his phone? Basically?

918
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Speaker 6: So a few things.

919
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Speaker 11: One is that the best stuff that we actually got

920
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Speaker 11: with him was when he's in the car or traveling,

921
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Speaker 11: and I think that was really kind of his office,

922
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Speaker 11: the car, the phone calls, the texts, that he would

923
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Speaker 11: dictate his tweets to his staff from the car, and

924
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Speaker 11: he was he was discerning though with his you know,

925
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Speaker 11: with the people he responded to. It all had to

926
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Speaker 11: fit a particular agenda. So if somebody was talking to

927
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Speaker 11: him about issues that he didn't think were particularly important

928
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Speaker 11: a lot of the time, you say, some domestic issues,

929
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Speaker 11: those would be not prioritized. And then I think also

930
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Speaker 11: obviously he would prioritize the leaders that were texting him,

931
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Speaker 11: and they were I mean literally we texting his mobile

932
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Speaker 11: phone directly.

933
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Speaker 4: Yeah, unbelievable for you. That just must have been a

934
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Speaker 4: wild ride.

935
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Speaker 3: My last question, I could keep doing this all day,

936
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Speaker 3: but my last question is where were you when you

937
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 3: found out he had passed and how did that hit you?

938
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Speaker 4: Just on a personal level.

939
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Speaker 11: It hit hard on a personal level in the sense

940
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Speaker 11: that you are spending time with somebody for four and

941
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Speaker 11: a half years, and it was a shock. I was

942
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Speaker 11: in Europe actually when I found out, and my sort

943
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Speaker 11: of initial reaction really was actually immense sympathy.

944
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Speaker 4: To his staff.

945
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Speaker 11: His staff were his family, obviously his sister, but I know,

946
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Speaker 11: we knew his staff pretty well, and I think they

947
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Speaker 11: and I know that they were massively heartbroken by this,

948
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Speaker 11: by him passing away, So you know, they took care

949
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Speaker 11: for him over many, many years. Some of his staff

950
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Speaker 11: had been with him since they were teenagers. I mean,

951
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Speaker 11: he's had people that worked for him for three decades,

952
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Speaker 11: so I think that was sort of my initial reaction

953
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Speaker 11: was how they will be But but yeah, I mean,

954
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Speaker 11: you know, it is terribly sad when anyone dies.

955
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Speaker 13: I think, yeah, and it was.

956
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Speaker 4: It was a shock.

957
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Speaker 3: Actually, I do have one more question, because you saw

958
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Speaker 3: his security apparatus probably up close as well, and even

959
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Speaker 3: some kind of moderates here in the United States, people

960
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Speaker 3: who were aligned with him, very hawkish, had suspicions immediately

961
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Speaker 3: that this must have been a Russian operation or that

962
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Speaker 3: it may have been a Russian operation because he had

963
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Speaker 3: just been in Ukraine, just got.

964
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Speaker 4: Back from Ukraine.

965
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Speaker 3: So was there some type of espionage and some type

966
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Speaker 3: of assassination effort? But you saw, you would have seen

967
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Speaker 3: his security, how he traveled. What did you make of

968
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Speaker 3: some of those concerns, And what can you tell us

969
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Speaker 3: about how secure he was as he was traveling.

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Speaker 11: I mean, I don't think there was any nevarious thing

971
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Speaker 11: that happened with respect to his death. I think that

972
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Speaker 11: there were changes in his security depending on the various

973
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Speaker 11: things that were happening in the.

974
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Speaker 4: World at the time, so sometimes so he would notice that.

975
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Speaker 11: Yeah, absolutely, oh absolutely, yeah. Towards actually the last few

976
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Speaker 11: months of his life, his security actually went up because

977
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Speaker 11: of the various things he was saying about Iran and Russia,

978
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Speaker 11: so specifically the Iranian three I believe. So I think

979
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Speaker 11: that he was he passed away. It was most I

980
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Speaker 11: would say, natural causes. And he yeah, he worked very,

981
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Speaker 11: very hard, and he did not really take that much

982
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Speaker 11: care of himself. You know, He's one of those people where,

983
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Speaker 11: you know, eating was not as important as getting to

984
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Speaker 11: a meeting with the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia at

985
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Speaker 11: three o'clock in the morning in a palace in read right,

986
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Speaker 11: like you would eat afterwards.

987
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Speaker 3: Wow, well, Alex Holder, I am very eager to see this.

988
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Speaker 3: Where can people follow your work and look out for

989
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Speaker 3: this documentary?

990
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Speaker 11: Probably on X and maybe even on your show. And

991
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Speaker 11: I always have to mention that Colby and Spencer, who

992
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 11: are massive fans, they're my producers and they are massive fans,

993
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 11: and they're going to be so happy that I just

994
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Speaker 11: mentioned them.

995
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Speaker 4: So yeah, well that's what makes us happy. So shout

996
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 4: out to Coleby and Spencer and Alex Holder. Thank you

997
00:51:58,680 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 4: so much for being here.

998
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Speaker 11: Thank you so much of the treasure.

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