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Speaker 1: Get in touch with technology with tech Stuff from how

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Speaker 1: stuff works dot com. Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with

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Speaker 1: how Stuff Works and I love all things tech. And

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Speaker 1: recently I went on a vacation to the most magical

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Speaker 1: place on Earth. Not the happiest place on Earth. That's Disneyland.

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Speaker 1: The most magical place on Earth is disney World. And yes,

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Speaker 1: that's how the company refers to them. And the reason

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Speaker 1: I mentioned that is because back on October one, two

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Speaker 1: Walt Disney World opened its Phase two theme park. The

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Speaker 1: original park, the Magic Kingdom, was Phase one that had

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Speaker 1: opened on October one, nineteen seventy one, and this episode

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Speaker 1: is publishing on October one, two thousand eighteen. So I

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Speaker 1: figure I would do an episode specifically about the concept

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Speaker 1: behind the original Epcot and how that was different from

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Speaker 1: the theme park that would open thirty six years from now.

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Speaker 1: Like back back thirty six years ago, back in time. Well,

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Speaker 1: today's Epcot is presented as a proper noun, So Epcot

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Speaker 1: is just its name, Big E Small pc Ot, But

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Speaker 1: originally the name was actually an acronym. Now there's a

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Speaker 1: joke about what that acronym stands for. The joke says

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Speaker 1: that stands for every person comes out tired because EPCOT

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Speaker 1: is an enormous theme park. It's twice the size of

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Speaker 1: the Magic Kingdom, three times the size of Disneyland, and

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Speaker 1: there's very little shade in the Florida whether can be

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Speaker 1: a bit unforgiving for much of the year, for example,

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Speaker 1: when I was there. But in fact, the acronym really

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Speaker 1: stood for Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow, and it was

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Speaker 1: one of Walt Disney's dream projects, a truly ambitious goal

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Speaker 1: that he had set now before nineteen EPCOT was a

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Speaker 1: name only a relatively few number of people had ever heard,

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Speaker 1: uh it had not escaped the company and a few

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Speaker 1: small or a few partners potential partners. So Walt Disney

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Speaker 1: had been interested in creating a prototype city that incorporated

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Speaker 1: cutting edge technology. It would have sophisticated urban planning from

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Speaker 1: the get go, and this was an idea he came

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Speaker 1: He had previously explored the possibility of creating such a city.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen fifty nine, he got an opportunity with some

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Speaker 1: largely because of whether it would probably mean that the

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Speaker 1: it was the most efficient use of the space. So

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Speaker 1: he had looked around the Eastern Seaboard. He looked at

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Speaker 1: Our CIA went through some financial difficulties and kind of

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Speaker 1: had to withdraw from it, and there were disagreements between

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Speaker 1: further than that. But Whalt Disney had really started to

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Speaker 1: press conference. This was a press conference where the company,

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Speaker 1: something much more than an entertainment offering like Disneyland. Now

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Speaker 1: but rather to say that Walt Disney had a larger

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Speaker 1: of what would become Walt Disney World. At this point,

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Speaker 1: And at the heart of this plan was this new

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Speaker 1: different from what Elon Musk has proposed with some of

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Speaker 1: and leadership behind this project, Epcot really didn't have what

434
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: it was going to need to get through the numerous

435
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: challenges that the company was going to face in order

436
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 1: to actually build out the city. And it wasn't just

437
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: that Walt Disney had a lot of enthusiasm and a

438
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 1: lot of energy, but it's also that he inspired confidence

439
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: in other people, confidence from companies that would need to

440
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: partner in order for this project have come to life.

441
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 1: Walt could convince people to buy in to his goals,

442
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: but with his death, landing those partnerships with companies, which

443
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: would be an absolute necessity to get the project of

444
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: this size moving, would be incredibly difficult, if not impossible.

445
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: So without Walt, there really wasn't a chance for Epcot

446
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 1: as the original vision had laid it out. Epcot Center,

447
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 1: the theme park, as the story goes, grew out of

448
00:27:55,480 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 1: two different park ideas proposed by imagineers John Hench and

449
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,719
Speaker 1: Marty Sklar. One was a project called the World Showcase,

450
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: which would bring select nations of the world together into

451
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: a theme park. Each nation would have its own section

452
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: or pavilion, and each nation would employ people from those

453
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: countries to work in their respective countries pavilion. The other

454
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: concept was one called Future World, which would showcase cutting

455
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: edge technology and combining them together would create sort of

456
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,719
Speaker 1: what they thought of as a permanent World's Fair as

457
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: an amusement park, and that would become Epcot Center. So

458
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: Epcot Center would incorporate some of the principles that were

459
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: in the original Epcot concept, like that that shopping district

460
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: Downtown was very similar in some ways to what the

461
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: World Showcase was going to be, but this was going

462
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: to be a theme park, not an actual community where

463
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: people would live. So gone was the climate controlled Downtown Center.

464
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: Probably the harshest blow of them all if you asked me,

465
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: Gone were the houses, Gone were the apartments? The proposed

466
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: transportation systems were no longer really necessary, or at least

467
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: there was no easy way to incorporate them into the

468
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: design of the park, which is a shame because, as

469
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: I said earlier, it's twice the size of the Magic Kingdom,

470
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: three times the size of Disneyland. Walking around Epcot is tough.

471
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: If you walk around the entire park, it it'll it'll

472
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: hurt you. Tutsis. In the original Epcot concept, residents would

473
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: use bicycles or electric scooters to travel the last mile

474
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: between homes and public transit systems. Those would be right out,

475
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: although depending on the time of year, you can sometimes

476
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: find a an offer to take segue tours of parts

477
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: of the park. I didn't see it on my last trip,

478
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: so I don't know if they're still doing it, but

479
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: in the past they have. But in the theme park's

480
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: Future World section, there were originally nine pavilions, not not

481
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: on opening not all nine were available on opening day,

482
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: but there were nine pavilions that were meant to embody

483
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: certain fundamental aspects industry and the future. So here are

484
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Speaker 1: the original nine pavilions of Future World. And I'm not

485
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: going to go into all the different countries of World Showcase. Um,

486
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: there are eleven of those currently and there's plans of

487
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: possibly opening up another one, maybe two in the near future. Um.

488
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: The next one that's rumored to be under consideration is India.

489
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: But let's get to future world. First, you have the

490
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Speaker 1: iconic geodesic sphere structure that everyone associates with have cut,

491
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: and that is Spaceship Earth. It's still there, it's still

492
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: a ride, it's still operating. The theme of Spaceship Earth

493
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Speaker 1: is communication and how the development of communication tools has

494
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: shaped human history, at least in an idealistic vision. It

495
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: is also about the capability of communication to bring us

496
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,719
Speaker 1: closer together. Uh. I don't necessarily think that communication has

497
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: brought everybody closer together, but it certainly has facilitated lots

498
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: of flame wars. Next, we're a pair of buildings behind

499
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: Spaceship Earth that were originally called Communicore, although they later

500
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: became known as Interventions, and even that got stripped down.

501
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: So now you've got on one side what used to

502
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: be one part of Interventions is a meeting greet section

503
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: for various Disney characters. There's also a Starbucks over there,

504
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: and uh a drink station. Uh. The other side is

505
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: still interventions. But Communicore was meant to be the home

506
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: of cutting edge technologies, specifically with a consumer focus, and

507
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure one reason it got paired down is that

508
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,239
Speaker 1: technology changes really really quickly. So you would install an

509
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: exhibit and then it would go obsolete not long after

510
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: the installation, because real world technology would catch up or

511
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: pass whatever it was that was on display. So very

512
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: challenging to keep that going. In fact, you could argue

513
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: that for pretty much all the future world, you call

514
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: it future world, the future is always coming, and if

515
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,719
Speaker 1: you don't keep upgrading your park and updating it, then

516
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: it quickly ends up becoming a relic. You could argue

517
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: that parts of Upcut kind of fall into that category.

518
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: Next was the Universe of Energy, that was all about

519
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: our energy sources, things like fossil fuels and renewable energy.

520
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: The pavilion featured moving theaters. You would go and sit down,

521
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: and the actual theater you were in would turn into

522
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: kind of a very slow moving ride and take you

523
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: two from scene to scene, and the pavilion would change

524
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: in nine to become Ellen's Energy Crisis and then Ellen's

525
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: Energy Adventure, and that version of the attraction was hosted

526
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: and narrated by Ellen Degenerous. This attraction is now closed.

527
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: In fact, it's being dismantled. It's being demolished to make

528
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: way for a new Guardians of the Galaxy ride. And

529
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: when I was at Upcut, they were busy disassembling the

530
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: old building. In fact, I actually went there on two

531
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: different days and the whole front facade of the building

532
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,239
Speaker 1: was gone the second time I went. Then there was

533
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: the World of Motion, and as the name suggests, that

534
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: was all about the future of transportation. Had an omni

535
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: mover vehicle, kind of like the systems that are in

536
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: things like the Haunted Mansion, and this omni mover vehicle

537
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: would take guests through a ride that was all about

538
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: the the importance of transportation systems and various vehicles. That

539
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: pavilion was shut down and replaced in nine by test Track,

540
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: so it no longer exists. Next, we have the Land Pavilion, which,

541
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: like Spaceship Earth, still exists at Upcut. Thank goodness, we've

542
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: we've actually landed on our second pavilion that's still around.

543
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: Not all the original attractions that opened with the Land

544
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: are still there. However, the Land is all about agriculture

545
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: and food technology, or at least it used to be.

546
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: It still has the listen to the land boat right

547
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: in it, although now it's called living with the Land.

548
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: But it's the same essential thing where you look at

549
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: different ways of growing and cultivating food. But gone is

550
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: the film symbiosis that was there on opening day. It's

551
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: no longer there. Gone is Kitchen Cabaret also known as

552
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: Food Rocks when it was overhauled. In place of that

553
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: attraction is now the ride Soaring. But Kitchen Cabaret was

554
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 1: a show that had animatronic food characters that would sing

555
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: various songs with hot tunes like Veggie, Veggie, Fruit Fruit.

556
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: I kind of loved that attraction, but to be fair,

557
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: I also went to Epcot when it was first opened

558
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: and I was very young. In addition, a few other

559
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: pavilions were built after the initial opening in nine eight

560
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: two that included horizons that opened in night that integrated

561
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: the various concepts of future world into what it would

562
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: be like to live in a typical home in America

563
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: in the future. And I was meant to show how transportation, communication, energy,

564
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 1: and all the rest would come together to make our

565
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 1: future is incredible and the ride featured a user interface.

566
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: You could actually choose options in the ride, and the

567
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: ride would show you different things based upon your choices.

568
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: It was actually pretty nifty. It was sponsored by Ge,

569
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: but GE pulled its sponsorship in The ride would be

570
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: opened and closed for the next few years, you know,

571
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: operating seasonally, but it closed permanently in nine and the

572
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: entire building was demolished the following year, and where that

573
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: used to be is now where Mission Space sits in Upcut.

574
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: The Imagination Pavilion also opened in nineteen eighty three. It's

575
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: still at Upcut. It was themed around creativity and Imagination

576
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: had a ride in which you encountered a character called

577
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: dream Finder and his friendly little critter named Figment. The

578
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: ride has been revamped a couple of times. The section

579
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: called Imagine Works has been shut down, part of it

580
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: has been turned into a lounge for Disney Vacation Club members,

581
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: and the rest is unused. Although I understand you can

582
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: actually glimpse it at certain sections of the Imagination Pavilion,

583
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: you just can't go into it anymore, which is kind

584
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: of sad. The ride is typically only operational during really

585
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: businy busy days, so it's kind of seasonal. The Living

586
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: Seas opened in nineteen six, so four years after the

587
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: park had opened. It was the world's largest aquarium when

588
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 1: it opened is no longer that. It included a ride

589
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: that would involve visitors going into chambers that were meant

590
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: to look like special elevators. They were called hydro laders,

591
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 1: and they appeared to descend in a watery tunnel and

592
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: actuality you weren't going anywhere. The floor would shake a bit,

593
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: the walls would shake a bit, and some bubbles through

594
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: the windows would create the uh, the illusion that you

595
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: were descending in water. But then can we get on

596
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: an omnimover style ride and you would ride past several

597
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: aquarium scenes before getting to an open area where you

598
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: could look at different sea creatures. The ride got re

599
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: themed as Finding Nemo Ride in two thousand four. The

600
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: Wonders of Life pavilion joined Future World in nine and

601
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: was themed around life and health. The Human Body had

602
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: a ride called Body Wars, which used the same technology

603
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: as the popular Star Tours rides would later on. There

604
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: were other attractions in that pavilion as well, like a

605
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: show called Cranium Command, which was absolutely brilliant and I

606
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 1: loved it. In two thousand four, the Wonders of Life

607
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: Pavilion would switch to seasonal operations. In two thousand seven,

608
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: it closed permanently and the entire thing was gutted. Disney

609
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: now uses the building for special functions. For example, on

610
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 1: my most recent visit, it served as the festival center

611
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: for the Food and Wine Festival. Today, Future World has

612
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: Spaceship Earth about half of interventions UH mission space test

613
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: track imagination sometimes UH the Land and the Seas would

614
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: Nemo and Friends. Much of the theming has transitioned away

615
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: from what Walt Disney's original vision was all about, largely,

616
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: I think, because all all those attractions depended heavily upon

617
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: sponsorships from other companies, and some of those companies don't

618
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: even exist anymore. They've gone out of business. Some of

619
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: them pulled their sponsorships. Maybe they felt they weren't getting

620
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: a really strong return on their investment, or they needed

621
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: the money for something else, but whatever the case. Right now,

622
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: to me, Epcot feels like a park that lacks a

623
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: real identity, and there's honestly not that much to do

624
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: from an attraction standpoint when you go to Epcot, Like

625
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: you can walk around the whole park of Epcot and

626
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: think I rode three rides and there might be one

627
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: more in the entire park that I haven't gone on. Uh.

628
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: There are a lot of shops you can go to,

629
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: and there are restaurants you can go to, and there

630
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: are a couple of films you can watch in the

631
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: World Showcase, but there's not a whole lot to do,

632
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: just when you consider how big that park is. There

633
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: are some big plans for the future, including a potential

634
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: new countries in the World Showcase. Like I mentioned, the

635
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: Guardians of the Galaxy ride is going to be the

636
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: largest indoor roller coaster in the world as far as

637
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: I understand it, But it doesn't sound like it's going

638
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: to get closer to what Walt Disney's original vision was.

639
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: In fact, it sounds like it's moving even further away

640
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 1: from that. Now. There are other things I could talk

641
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: about in this episode. I could talk about Celebration Florida.

642
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: That is an actual residential area on Disney World property,

643
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: but it's also a radically different realization of the suburbs

644
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 1: of Epcot that Walt Disney had in mind. For one thing,

645
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: the whole idea that people would use public transit, and

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