1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Giants Huddle. Get him in a Huddle, 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: Get him in a Huddle, Get him in a Huddle. 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: New York Giants Podcast. Welcome to the newest episode of 4 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: the Giant Subtle Podcast. I am John SCHMALKI can find 5 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: the Giant Subtle Podcast on Giants dot Com, the Giants 6 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: Mobile app, and all of your favorite podcast platforms. Find 7 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: the subscribe at us to your favorites. If like what 8 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: you hear and your an Apple podcast, leave a positive review. 9 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: This week's guest is former Giants center and Super Bowl champion. 10 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: Now you see him on the NFL network very often. 11 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: That's the great Shown O'Hara. What's up, Sean? Hey John 12 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: uh cop of the afternoon to you, my man. Absolutely, 13 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: we're reliving our old center. Exchange Day is always fun, 14 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: and I thought this wo is gonna be a good 15 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: way to take uh longer looking larger, big picture look 16 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: at the Giants right now from someone that's close to him, 17 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: obviously having the ties here, being in the building often 18 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,279 Speaker 1: and and having you know, a lot of connections here 19 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: with the Giants, but at the same time, as an 20 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: NFL analyst, you kind of see the team from a 21 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: larger picture. Um, looking at it from a league wide standpoint, 22 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: So the Giants lost nine and ro sean obviously things 23 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,559 Speaker 1: are bad. Uh. It ties the franchise record for most 24 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: consecutive losses from back in the seventies. And where do 25 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: you think, generally speaking, the Giants are and where they're 26 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: headed now at this point in the season. Yeah, that's 27 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: a great question, John, And you know, from on a 28 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: macro level, you know, I think when the Giants drafted 29 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones sixth overall, I think the initial reaction, you know, 30 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: across the country was, yeah, that's it. Giants are officially 31 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: in rebuild mode. Um. You know this year is gonna 32 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: be you know, all about the future and moving things forward. Um. 33 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: And you know, with that being said, you know, ELI 34 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: still had a chance to start the season. But once 35 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: they made the move, which we all knew was probably 36 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: inevitable when you use a sixth overall pick, it just 37 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: kind of seemed like, all right, this is you know, 38 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: this is the year where it's you know, played play 39 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: some young guys and and start laying the foundation for 40 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: the Daniel Jones era. Pat term is going to start 41 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: building this team for the future, and we're gonna you know, 42 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna struggle early on, but there's gonna be a 43 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: lot of growth as the scene of progresses. And so 44 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: I kind of feel like that was what I was 45 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: hearing from people. The mindset, you know, I know that 46 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: that was certainly the energy and the building was, you know, 47 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 1: all right, hey, look we're gonna you know, we're gonna 48 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: try to win, um, you know, with with some of 49 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: this young talent, and even if we struggle and stumble 50 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: a little bit, we will have laid a lot of 51 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: good bricks for the foundation to build off them. And 52 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: here we are, we fifteen. You know, I think if 53 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: you're on the outside looking in at the Giants right now, uh, 54 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: you know the fact that not only offensively are they struggling, 55 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: but defensively it's not even like, hey, at least they're 56 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: doing this well. Like it's literally every single week it's 57 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: something else that is resulting in a in a in 58 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: a tough loss. Um. I think that's really it's tough 59 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: to swallow if you're a Giants fan right now. But 60 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: because this is the third year in a row, John 61 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: where November non factor, December meaningless games, and you know 62 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 1: that's not sitting well with Giants Nation. I know it's 63 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 1: not sitting well in that building. Um, Giants pride is 64 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: taking a big hit right now. Um, you know, And 65 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: I think the tough thing is when you have a 66 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: young team and you play a lot of young players 67 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: on defense like they are. When you have some young 68 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: you know, receivers and you know you've got a young 69 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 1: running back and you've got a rookie quarterback, you there 70 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: becomes a point where you're like, okay, you know what 71 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: you can tell that they have kind of made the turn. 72 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: And and young players look in this in this day 73 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: and age in the NFL, it's not like it was 74 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: back when I played, where you're a rookie for you know, 75 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: into your second year. In this day and age, when 76 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: you're a young player, you're no longer a rookie. Actor. 77 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: We gat once you meet reached the halfway part of 78 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: the season, you know, week nine, weeknd, now you're treated 79 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: like a veteran. You've seen enough football. Um, you know 80 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: you've got to start cleaning up some of the mistakes. 81 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: So you know, that's kind of my take right now 82 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: on the Giants is just that you know, they don't 83 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: know what it takes to win clearly they don't know 84 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: how to win. They they are finding ways to beat themselves, 85 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: and it's made it tough to really evaluate who they are. 86 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: I want to touch on the defense first and we'll 87 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,119 Speaker 1: kind of reflected back on the news today. Your thoughts 88 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: on the Giants taking swift action on the North Jenkins, 89 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: You know, it does feel totally different. Two years ago, John, 90 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: we were having coming the same conversations as the Giants 91 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: were in complete, you know, meltdown mode, and um, you 92 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: know that was the year they won lost thirteen games 93 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: and the locker room was a mess. Eli Apple and 94 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: Landed Collins are going after each other and they just 95 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: felt so dysfunctional. There was so much drama. This doesn't 96 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: feel like that team that it doesn't feel like that 97 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: locker room. And this is really kind of the first 98 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: blip on the radar as far as you know. All Right, 99 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: we're peeling back the curtain here a little bit, and 100 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: we've got some players that aren't happy, but they're also 101 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: now lashing out and it's okay to be frustrated, you 102 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: know what. I actually want to see more guys frustrated. 103 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 1: Want to see more guys angry, more guys upset more 104 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: guys not willing to accept what's going on. You don't 105 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: take it out on the fans, you don't take it 106 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: up on social media. You know that that that blows 107 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 1: my mind so um, you know, for for that to 108 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: have played out for everybody to see in a view, 109 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: I think I thought that was a bad look. But 110 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: then to to have no contrition after the fact and 111 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: to try to argue and reason your way out of it, 112 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: I thought it really was. It made It went from 113 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 1: something that could have been could have been you know, 114 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: the fire that could have been put out very quickly, 115 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: to something that just you know, it's spread and and 116 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: and to see to Norris, you know, I think deep 117 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: down here is I think he's a good guy. I 118 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: think he's a good person. I think he means well. 119 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: I thought it was. It was probably the worst take 120 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: and the worst look I've seen for Jack Rabbit. Yeah. 121 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: And so what that means now is you got a 122 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: bunch of young guys in the secondary. I mean, Jabrol 123 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: Peppers is on I R. Jenkins has been waved injured, 124 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: which means this week you're gonna be starting Antoambathet's alone veteran. 125 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: You've got Julian Love is the second safety of rookie. 126 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: You have Sambiel one outside cornerback, a virtual rookie, he 127 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: didn't play, you know, his first year in the league. 128 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 1: You have DeAndre Baker, who's coming off his best game 129 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: but has struggled as a rookie. On the other side, outside, 130 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: Corey Valentine is gonna be back. He's gonna be the 131 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: slock cornerback. And you know, you talked about guys not 132 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: being rookies after eight weeks, but rookie cornerbacks traditionally the 133 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: NFL have a real tough goal of it. And look, 134 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: I think we've seen that be displayed on the field 135 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: with the Giants this year. What should be the hope 136 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: for Giant fans with all these young players in their 137 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: secondary in terms of as they gain more experience to 138 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: be able to play better and form a group. So 139 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 1: this year does count for something. The experience that they're 140 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 1: getting in these losses makes them better players as they 141 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 1: move forward. Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, you 142 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: look at these players and and look, it's not gonna 143 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: get easier. I think if you're a corner in the NFL, 144 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: you've got to have a short memory. Obviously, you know 145 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: you hear that a lot in this game. UM, But 146 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: I think the one thing that's tough is whenever you 147 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: have young players like that, you need a guy like 148 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: Genora's Jenkins or d'antoine, but they had to kind of 149 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: teach you how to get out of a funk, or hey, 150 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: here are some things that I see that are happening 151 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: that you can kind of, you know, help put out 152 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: the fire. So when you have just a whole room 153 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: full of young guys and now all of a sudden, 154 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: you know, you lose Generoras Jenkins, and you lose somebody 155 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: that can maybe teach you how to break down film 156 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: and how to find tendencies and receivers, or hey, look, 157 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: I see you're struggling with this certain route or what 158 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: you're struggling with the play action. Here's one little trick 159 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: that I use. You know, it's just so that I 160 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: don't get caught peeking in the backfield and get burned 161 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: on a double move. So you know, you lose that 162 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: aspect of it. Um. I think as a player, the 163 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: best learning tool is definitely to play, UM. But I 164 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: think for for these corners, you know, it's all about competing, 165 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: and you know what forget about what's happened, you know, 166 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: the last week or whatever. You had a bad week, 167 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: come back and bring your a game. And I think 168 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: as a corner, you're you're gonna give up some big 169 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: place sometimes it happens. Can you be consistent? You know? 170 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: Can you can you make the tackle on the on 171 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: the the easy plays and not let that turn into 172 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: the big play. You know if if someone gets beating 173 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: covers or you bite on a double move, that happened, 174 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: you clearly are a trenches guy. Sean, and we're drawn 175 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: by Sean O'Hara. We all know that. And the Giants 176 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:26,119 Speaker 1: have plenty of good interior defensive lineman Dexter Lawrence, Dalvin 177 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: Thomas and your draft picks there Trader for Leonard Williams. 178 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: You can give me your take on how they should 179 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: handle that, but to me, an offseason focus has got 180 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: to be finding a another In addition to Marcus, Golden 181 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: was also a free agent consistent pass rushers up front, 182 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: because you know, you can make a secondary look a 183 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: lot better if you get consistent pressure. And well, the 184 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: Giants have gotten some sacks, they have not gone consistent pressure. 185 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: So how do you think the Giants handle that front 186 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 1: in terms of maximizing pass rush in their off season. Yeah. 187 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: I mean I've always felt like there's two ways to 188 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,959 Speaker 1: affect your quarterback, right, the edge rush and then you've 189 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: got to find a way to push the pocket on 190 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: the inside. And I feel like that's all that they've 191 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: drafted over the last couple of years is the pocket pushers. 192 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: Obviously Oshane Zamenez Um, you know, I had a couple 193 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: of sacks in this last game, so he's starting to 194 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: flash a little bit. Lorenzo Carter, they're hoping that he 195 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: kind of steps up. Um. You know, the tough thing 196 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: really is going to be going forward. You know, do 197 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: they stick with the same scheme? You know, do they 198 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: does James Betcher stay on? You know, if if there's 199 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: a change in scheme, you know, now are you morphing? 200 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: I mean when James Betcher showed up here last year, 201 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: they had to morph from more of a four three 202 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: to a three four, So you change your personnel. You know, 203 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: if you end up doing that again, then you know, 204 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: who knows? Maybe now you don't. You don't mock three defensive, 205 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: big defensive tackles like that, but definitely some edge rushers. 206 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: John the game is definitely one and loss in the trenches, 207 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 1: but it's really one and lost on third down when 208 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 1: you when it comes to the pass rush, and if 209 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 1: you don't have two or three guys that can win 210 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: one on one, then you're at a disadvantage because you 211 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: look around the league and you look at the best teams, 212 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: they all have guys that can do that. If you 213 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: have one guy, people could take him out of the equation. 214 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: So you've got to have somebody else on the opposite side. 215 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: You've got to have a Batman and Robin, and you 216 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: know that's really Look when we won Super Bowl forty two, 217 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: you know we had straight Hand and we had Oce 218 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: and oh, by the way, we had a young buck 219 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: named Justin Tuck who everybody said, why the heck are 220 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 1: you drafting this guy when you have those two on 221 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: the end. Well, guess what people found out because when 222 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: we went our NASCAR package, it was Justin Tuck on 223 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: the inside that was causing all the havocs. So they've 224 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: got to find a way to get some guys obviously. 225 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: You know, passing on Josh Allen is something that people 226 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: still bring up with drafting Damijel six overall. Um. You 227 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 1: know everybody right now talks about Chase Young and finding 228 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: a way to get that guy. Um. You know, he's 229 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: the type of player that could definitely change a franchise. 230 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: And you look around the league what Myles Garrett has done, 231 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 1: Von Miller, Um, you know some of these guys like 232 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: Jadavian Clowney, and you know the impact that they could have. 233 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: I look at this too, real quick, John, The NFC 234 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: East has some of the best tackles in the entire NFL. 235 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: You look at Jason Peters and Lane Johnson down in Philly, 236 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: and they just drafted Andre Dillard in the first round. 237 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: You know, Trent Williams if he ends up coming back 238 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: down to Washington. Uh, you go down to Dallas, They've 239 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: got Tyrn Smith and Lyle Collins. So you've got some 240 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: of the You've got basically a Pro Bowl roster of 241 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: tackles in your division. You've got to find a way 242 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: to beat those guys. Leonard Williams, he doesn't have the sacks, 243 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: but you look at some of the advanced number Shawn 244 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: like quarterback hits and pressures, he's right up there, and 245 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 1: a lot of times he's interior defensive lineman don't get sacks, 246 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: but they do affect the play. Your take on the 247 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: impact Leonard Williams has on the defense when he's playing 248 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: his best football, Yeah, and you know, he just really 249 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: definitely showed up in the game against Philly. Um. You know, 250 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: I had a couple of plays there. You know, he 251 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: had the penalty to which is frustrating. But um, you know, 252 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: he's one of those guys where you watch him one film, 253 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 1: we said, man, he's definitely having an impact. Um. You know, 254 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: I think the challenge for for a guy like that 255 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: is how do you put a value on that. You 256 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: have to have the sacks, and you've got to have 257 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 1: some sort of statistic to back it up and to 258 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: make it worth your while. And you know, and got 259 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 1: to be on the field. You know, you've got to 260 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: be in every down defensive lineman, and I think you know, 261 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: on third down you've got to be a factor. And 262 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: so that's where I think he's got to step up 263 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: um that play. And you know, I think he's got 264 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: maybe one sack on the whole season. Um. You know, 265 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: it's tough to to see, uh that and and to 266 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: look at a guy and say, all right, here's a 267 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: guy that's going into you know, he's on a contract gear. Um, 268 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: you know, how are we gonna handle this. Let's go 269 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: to the offensive side of the ball, showing Eli Manning 270 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 1: is going to get to start for the second straight 271 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: week this week against the Dolphins. You're taking how he 272 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: played last week against Philly and just the emotions you're 273 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: gonna have. I know, you and Eli are are are 274 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: real tight. He's been the quarterback every year I've been 275 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: around the Giants. He's he's a great guy. I'm excited 276 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: for it to get to play at home against the 277 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: Dolphins and try to potentially we'll see what happens with 278 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: his career, but maybe end his Giant's career or NFL 279 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: career with a W. Yeah. It's been a tough three 280 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: years really, you know, for for all of Elis fans, 281 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: I think his friends, his former teammates, you know, certainly 282 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: even his current teammates, just to kind to see you know, 283 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: a guy that that has, you know, the ability that 284 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 1: he has, and and and to see it kind of 285 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: dwindle like it has. But you know, certainly Monday night 286 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: was I mean, look, it was electric. I mean, forget 287 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: about the Philadelphia Eagles I think everybody in the country 288 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: was rooting for Eli, and everybody wants that that feel 289 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: good story, and you know, they wanted to see Eli 290 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: get a win like that in front of everybody, And 291 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: for thirty minutes it looked like it was on its way, 292 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 1: and then in the second half, things just fell apart. 293 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: I mean, they had two first downs the entire second half. Um, 294 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: you know, I think they had you know, forty yards 295 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: of office, thirty yards of office, Like, I don't know 296 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: how that happens. So you know, for Eli, I think, well, 297 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: you know what we saw in that first half was 298 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: we saw him slinging it. I mean, and I talked 299 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: to him before the game and I said, hey, man, 300 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: just take your arms. Never felt this good in your 301 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: entire career in week fourteen, Like you've never been this fresh. 302 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: And He's like, I feel crazy, you know, He's like, 303 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: you're right, because like that goodness. I've been doing some 304 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: extra cardio on the side, you know, so I'm not 305 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: out of shape or anything. But you know, I think 306 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: he brought a little spark to the offense. And and 307 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: what he showed John was if you want to blitz Eli, 308 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: well he could see it and Jim Schwartz tried him 309 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: a couple of times, and that's where some of the 310 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: big plays came from. And then in the second half, 311 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: Jim Schwartz said, all right, you know what, I'm gonna 312 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: do what everybody else has been doing all year long 313 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: with this offense. I'm gonna play his own defense, but 314 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: in front of us. And we don't think you can 315 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: go twelve twelve plays ninety yards and beat us. And 316 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: they were right, And that's really kind of what you 317 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: know you see from this offense. Um, I can't believe 318 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: that Sakmon Barkley, you know, I had you know, two 319 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: catches for for two yards. You know, I don't understand 320 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: how they can't find a way to to get some 321 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: some impact plays out of him in the passing game. 322 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: You know, for the second year in a row, John, 323 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: the Giants had a large halftime lead and they watched 324 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: it just just disappear before their eyes. So you know, 325 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: that's something that they're gonna have to correct. I think 326 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: for Eli to get a second start at home, if 327 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: that it does indeed happen, I think this will be 328 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: special Monday night with special for him. As a player, 329 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: when your helmet is taken from you, whether it's via injury, 330 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: cap casualty, economic reasons, or you know, the way that 331 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: this happened with Daniel Jones. You don't know if you'll 332 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: ever play another snap again, and you certainly don't know 333 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: if you're going to get a chance to start on 334 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: a national scale like that. So that was really special. 335 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: I think to have a chance to play the game 336 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: that you love again, I think that means something to 337 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: Eli and it's gonna be fun for him. But most importantly, 338 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: Eli doesn't care about stats, he doesn't care about any 339 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: of other stuff. He just wants to win, and I 340 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: think that's kind of what everybody arounds him feels like. Look, 341 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: he's not in it for himself. It's about getting a win. 342 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: There's nothing better than coming in that locker room with 343 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: the w um and I think the Miami Dolphins it's 344 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: a good opportunity for them to do just that. And Sean, 345 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: even though we're gonna see Eli this week, this big 346 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: story this year has been Daniel Jones, and you mentioned 347 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: that earlier in the interview, how his development is just 348 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: so important to the future of the franchise. How do 349 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: you analyze Jones rookie season. And for the stuff that's 350 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: gone wrong, is that stuff that's fixable? Yeah, I think 351 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: it absolutely is. And and and to your point, I'm 352 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: with you. I think rookies, you know, look there there, 353 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: there's definitely a big learning curve with them, just because 354 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: everything seems to be coming at them at warp speed. 355 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: I feel like the mental aspect of the game, I 356 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: don't ever feel like there's been a moment where Daniel 357 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: Jones is panicking or you know when he looks mentally 358 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: like he's overwhelmed. So I think that's a great sign. 359 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: And and that really shows you know, his his abilities 360 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: and really shows you his There is no ceiling with him, 361 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: like there isn't anything you can't ask him to to 362 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: learn going into next year. The turnovers are definitely concerned, 363 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: and I feel like we've been saying that about guys 364 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: like Jameis Winston and it's like, all right, well, if 365 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: he could fix the turnovers, he'll be great. Well, I 366 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: guess what, you know, he and Daniel Jones are still 367 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: fighting for you know, the league lead with with turnovers, 368 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: and you know, Daniel Jones hadn't even played the whole season, 369 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: so those are definitely a concern. You know, I think 370 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: with Daniel, as much as the turnovers would hurt, he 371 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: would come right back after trown over and make some 372 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: unbelievable throws. So there's definitely a yen yang there. I 373 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: think Daniel is going to be a very good quarterback, 374 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: and I think he's gonna have a long career in 375 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,239 Speaker 1: this league, but he won't if he doesn't learn how 376 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: to take care of himself. I have seen him take 377 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: way too many big hits, big shots, hits that he 378 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: doesn't need to take. You know, you you watch Lamar 379 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: Jackson and everybody talked about how you can't run as 380 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 1: much as you can you're taking all these hits. Daniel 381 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 1: Jones has taken more hits in one game than mar 382 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: Jackson has all season. So I think he's got to 383 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: find a way to fix that because, you know, I mean, 384 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: look at what's happened, you know, I mean, here he 385 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: is in his rookie year, he's missing a game. You 386 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: look at a guy, uh wearing number ten over there, 387 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: and he hasn't missed the game in his entire career 388 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: in sixteen years. So you've got to find a way 389 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: to stay on the field, you know, it's not ability, 390 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: it's it's availability. But I'm very encouraged with Daniel Jones. 391 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: I think his accuracy has been unbelievable and there's been 392 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: times where it's man like. He doesn't miss a lot 393 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: of throws. Um. I think he does a great job 394 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: even under dress. Sometimes when the pocket is not clean, 395 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: he's not He's not scared to hang in there and 396 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,479 Speaker 1: make some tough throws. So that's been big. I mean, 397 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 1: when he has missed as they've been high. But I 398 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: think you can kind of fix some of that, um, 399 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: you know, I think for him and obviously with Daryus Slayton, 400 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: the connection that they have going on, I think that's 401 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 1: great and I think he's going to continue to grow 402 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: in his second year. The one thing that I that 403 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: I see that i'd like to see him make more 404 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: progress on is I don't feel like he sees the 405 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 1: blitz as well as he should. And I feel like 406 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: there's times where you know, pre snap, you've gotta you've 407 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 1: got to feel that guy coming, You've got to see 408 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 1: that coming and now throw the hot So that's something 409 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: that will help everybody out. And that goes to the 410 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: offensive line to Sean and I think we all agreed. 411 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: From a talent perspective, this is probably the most talented 412 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 1: offensive one the Giants have had and packed maybe even 413 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: like half a decade. But they have a lot, a 414 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: lot of pressure and again we've talked about you know, 415 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: you talked about Jones not reading the blitz is sometimes 416 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: he holds the ball longer than he lied in. I 417 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 1: think that's you know, some of the impact of the 418 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: sacks and the pressures. But in the run game that 419 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: a lot of times there just isn't a whole lot 420 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: of room. And then there has been you know, times 421 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: where they don't handle those de lay blitzes and movement 422 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,360 Speaker 1: on the defensive lines well though appears in the middle 423 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: of the season where that gave the Giants offensive line 424 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: a lot of issues. You're just take on the offensive 425 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: line and what they have to do to solidify it 426 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: moving forward. Yeah, I mean, I'll say that I'm I'm 427 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: disappointed with their play and and it's kind of remarkable 428 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 1: that I'm even saying that because when you look at 429 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: how abysmal the offensive line play has been over the 430 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: last three or four years for the Giants, you know, 431 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 1: this is still an upgrade, but given what you were 432 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: talking about. I mean, look, when when the Giants traded 433 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 1: for Kevin Zeisler, you know, he came to the Giants 434 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: with an unbelievable resume. He's been one of the best 435 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: pass blocking guards in the league. And even he struggled 436 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: at times. Um, you know, I think I think Hallapio 437 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: has struggled. Um you know, I think that you know, 438 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: even Will Hernandez mentally has struggled. He's been beating a 439 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 1: few times just he was as a rookie. I think 440 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: he's really struggled with change of direction. He kind of 441 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: reminds me of Mike ayou Potti, who came out, Um 442 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: I believe, from Idaho, and he's just a smash mouth guy. 443 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: And you know, when he was with the forty niners 444 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: and they were running the ball fifty three percent of 445 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: the time, he was a pro bowler. And then when 446 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: he went to Arizona and they started throwing the ball, 447 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: he became a liability. And you know, I look at 448 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: this offensive line and I say, these guys are physical. 449 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: This is probably the biggest offensive line the Johnts have 450 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: had in years, and I just don't feel like they're 451 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,959 Speaker 1: being there. Their strengths are are being played out, and 452 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: I don't think that they're countering to what they do well. 453 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,360 Speaker 1: These guys are. These guys are good run blockers. Let 454 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: them run block Will Hernanez when you drafted him out 455 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: of you tep, it's because defenders looked like bugs on 456 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: a damn windshield at and that's what that guy does. 457 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 1: He is an in line road grader. He is not 458 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna pull the guy around and you know, lead 459 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: him out on a perimeter of sweep, or you know, 460 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: we're gonna be in shotgun and we're gonna run draws. 461 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: And you know, I don't like the run game for 462 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: this group of offensive alignment. I think if you go 463 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 1: I formation, have you put Sae Kwon Barkley eight yards 464 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: from the ball, And even if you want to run 465 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: zone like the Rams do a girly, they moved him back. 466 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: Give Sae Kwon Barkley time to press the whole. Let 467 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,959 Speaker 1: these guys lean on people. The only way you can 468 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: lean on people with combo blocks is if you have 469 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: a running back that is going to press the hole 470 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: and give you time to move these guys horizontally as 471 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: you're gaining vertical leverage. You can't do that out of shotgun. 472 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: You don't have time to the running backs four yards 473 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: from the line of scrimmage, and it just doesn't work 474 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: that way. So, um, I've got my own little beefs 475 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:36,959 Speaker 1: with some of that stuff, and I think those are 476 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: things that they need to find a way to fix. 477 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: Nate Solder has has been I think a lot of 478 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: people are saying that he's been a disappointment to me 479 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: because on third and nine, if you can win fifty 480 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: of your battles, you're a darn good left tackle in 481 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: the league. These pass rushers are phenomenal. But the thing 482 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: that just keeps showing up with this group John, it's 483 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 1: so frustrating is the self inflicted wounds. I think everything 484 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: the week one guy whips on a guy, you know 485 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: in the Green Bay Packers game third and one, John 486 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: Halapio and John and Will Hernanaz, they're not on the 487 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: same page. Blake Martinez runs through the backside a gap 488 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: and they leave the nose guard unblocked, and it's that 489 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: can't happen in week fourteen, Week thirteen. Stuff like that 490 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 1: shouldn't be happening. Theate sold Er tripping over the tight 491 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 1: end and giving up a sack against the Eagles. That's 492 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: that should not be happening to a veteran group, so 493 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: um for for for a group that's played as much 494 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: football as these guys have. Um Mic Rammers included that 495 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: they're continuing to beat themselves with mental mistakes and it 496 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: really makes it tough to evaluate them and it makes 497 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: it tough to really praise them when they do well. 498 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 1: How much of sa Kuan is the ankle and how 499 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: much is other stuff where he's simply not had as 500 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: productive the second year. I think the the ankle injury 501 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 1: is definitely tough, especially for a guy like se Kwan, 502 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: who is so quick with the change direction. You know, 503 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: he both legs, you know, I mean he's so quick 504 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: uh to jump cut um. So I have a feeling 505 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: that that definitely was a factor early on. And when 506 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: you have a high ankle spring, I'll say I've had 507 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: two of them, John that they bothered me even in 508 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: March and April, and we came back for the off 509 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: student program running and feeling like, wow, this thing is 510 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: still kind of there's some lingering effects. So that's definitely 511 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: a factor. But you can't blame your ankle on pass 512 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: blocking and when Jamal Adams runs through twice in a game, 513 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: when when time and time again you're struggling to block guys, 514 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: and that to me is just The injury was definitely 515 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: a factor, So I understand that, But I don't see 516 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: him finishing runs the way that he did last year. 517 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: I see him running out of bounds a lot more. 518 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: I see him shying away from contact. And I don't 519 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: see that explosive guy that was breaking through arm tackles 520 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: um that I saw last year. You know, I've seen 521 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: people talk about the giants to eat add more weapons outside. 522 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 1: You know, they lost Beckham honestly showing I look at this, 523 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 1: you've got slatoning. You mentioned earlier, a good young wide receiver, 524 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 1: Golden Tates having a good year. Still link Shepherd debt 525 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: with the concussions, but when he plays, he's a good, 526 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,360 Speaker 1: solid guy that can you know, make big third down catches. 527 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: Evan Ingram his health has been an issue, no question 528 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: about it, but when he's in there, he can play. 529 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: And obviously Barkley is a multifaceted guy, you know, with 530 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: all the other needs on this team, to me, at least, 531 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: I think they're pretty okay. In terms of the weapons 532 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: that the quarterbacks have, it as disposable. You know, it's 533 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: been tough to evaluate John. I don't know have they 534 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: all played on the on the on the field together. 535 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: I feel Golden team missed the first four games and 536 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 1: then Shephard was out with the They haven't they haven't yet. 537 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: It almost it almost happened last week, but then Ingram 538 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: didn't play. Yeah, Ingram has been out, Ellison has been out. 539 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: You know, it feels like, you know, every month they're 540 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: trying to win games without a certain guy and and 541 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: you know it's tough to do. I do feel like 542 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: they have a lot of talent. I think Sterling Shepard 543 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: is is a heck of a player. Um, I too, 544 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 1: he is a nightmare. When you put him in on 545 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: the slot and you've got him against somebody's third corner, 546 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: I think that's that's a matchup in the Giant's favor 547 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 1: all day long. Evan Ingram, when he's healthy, I don't 548 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: think there's a safety that can cover him, And I 549 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: think that's just the um. Those are two guys, um, 550 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: you know, they're part of the equation. And when you 551 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: put Slayton on the outside, I agree with you you've got, 552 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 1: you've got a chance to make some big time plays. Um. 553 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: But I also think that a lot of those players 554 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: and those those plays that those guys can make, they 555 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: would be made so easier if se Quan was was 556 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: dominant with him running to football and now the play 557 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: action passing game with Darius Slayton and with Evan Ingram 558 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: and Sterling Shepard, you should be able to dial up 559 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: big chunk plays. I mean, Ryan Tannehill is doing it 560 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: in Tennessee right now, feeding off of Derrick Henry in 561 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: that play action game. He's got a rookie receiver and 562 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: Ad Brown that's lighting people up. You look at what 563 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson just did on Thursday Night football. What receivers 564 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: as the Mark Jackson have. He's got a rookie receiver 565 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: and Marky's Brown, who's been battle and injuries the entire season. Um, 566 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: you know, coming off a list frank injury from college. 567 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: He didn't even run into Combine because he was banged 568 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: up and he's been hurt all year long. You've got 569 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: Willie Sneed, who was a New Orleans Saints cast off. 570 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 1: I think he's on his third or four team. You know, 571 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: he doesn't have all these guys on the outside, but 572 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: yet they're finding a way to get Mark Andrews open 573 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: and and use these tight ends in mismatches in the personnel. 574 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 1: So you know, it's not always about who you have, 575 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: but it's how do you find ways to to move 576 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: them around and create good matchups. Final question, Sean, and 577 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: this is again a bigger picture question priorities for the 578 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 1: Giants this offseason. We've talked a lot about it in 579 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 1: passing throughout the conversation. But for this team to to 580 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: get out of the rut they've been in the last 581 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 1: few years and to start winning more football games, what 582 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: needs the priority? What needs to be the priority? What 583 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,199 Speaker 1: needs to change? Who should they attack in for agency? 584 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 1: Not maybe not a name, but you know positions, the draft, 585 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: you know team building philosophy. You could take all that 586 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 1: put in a big pots Stewart around and and what 587 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: what would Sean O'Hara do when he builds his recipe 588 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: for the Giants this offseason for how they fixed this thing? Yeah, 589 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,719 Speaker 1: I think this is all part of Dave Gettlman's plan. 590 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 1: You know, he invested a lot in in the in 591 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,959 Speaker 1: the the corners, invest a lot of the draft capital 592 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: in these guys, and I think a lot of that 593 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: is just kind of where the league is trending. You know, 594 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: you need three starting corners. Uh So I think they're 595 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: counting on those guys. Obviously, I'll throw Sam Bale into 596 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: that category. So they've got a lot of really young, 597 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 1: talented players and a lot of speed at that position. 598 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: But um, I'm gonna say defensively, the linebacker it has 599 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 1: to be a focus. And you know, I don't. We 600 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 1: haven't had a Pro Bowl linebacker play for the Near 601 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 1: Giants since Antonio Pierce. Uh. That's that's that's way too 602 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: long of a time. Um, you know, and I think 603 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,719 Speaker 1: that they need to find a way to bring in somebody. 604 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: They need to continue to draft some guys. We talked 605 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: about edge rushers earlier on and I think that you 606 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 1: can never have too many of those guys. So, um, 607 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: I would expect you know, them to go after some 608 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: guys like that. I think offensively, you need some more 609 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 1: competition at the offensive line position. You know, you need 610 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: to you need to start building that six and seventh 611 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: man on the roster so that if you have somebody 612 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: go down that that you're not skipping a beat and 613 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: you can kind of start pushing some of these guys. 614 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 1: But um, I think the other thing too is you 615 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 1: know that you need you need another receiver, you know, 616 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: I think that as much as we've said, um, you know, look, 617 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: they're pretty well set. Like I look at the Philadelphia Eagles. 618 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: They were loaded at wide receiver and then de Sean 619 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 1: Jackson goes down on Jeffrey's out, Nelson Agalore's down, and 620 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: you know, now they're struggling to get guys outfit and 621 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: so um, you know you need you need to invest 622 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: more capital on those guys. And UM, you know, I 623 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 1: think it's the wide receiver position you've got to have. 624 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 1: You've got to have the ability to to go three 625 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: and four wide, you know, even halfway through the seat. 626 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: And when you're down a couple of guys, how important 627 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,959 Speaker 1: is it to invest in young offensive tackles to groom 628 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: you know, you saw the Eagles do with you know, 629 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: how often does a team drafted guy? I think, what's 630 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: seventeenth overall? Andre Dillard? It doesn't play. I mean Andre 631 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: dial With the only reason he played this year is 632 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: because Jason Peters got you know, got hurt over the 633 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: course of the year. Is that something that John should 634 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: look to do to to start developing younger tackles behind 635 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: two veterans and Soldier and Remors. Yeah, I think they 636 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: need to invest in in in a tackle. And they drafted, um, 637 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: you know, big George from Kentucky. I think he was 638 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: a seventh rounder last year, and um, you know he's 639 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: he's kind of one of those guys that you hope 640 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: turns out to be a really good player for you 641 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: and when you use a late draft pick on it, 642 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: but you've got to invest earlier on like you're saying, 643 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: And I think you know you need a swing tackle certainly, 644 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: but um, you know, when you look at at Nate 645 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: Solder and Mike Ramer's you've got some veteran guys, you 646 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: definitely need some youth um in there. And you know 647 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: you mentioned the Eagles. They traded back into the first 648 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: round to get Diller. They didn't even have a first 649 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: round pick, and they sitting there and saying, we got 650 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: a chance to move up and get this guy. They 651 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: moved up right before the Houston Texans. I believe um 652 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: and and and plucked them. And that's just I mean, 653 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: that's really progressive thinking right there. It's because they knew 654 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: that they had an older guy in Jason Peters, and 655 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: when you get a really good athletic tackle like that, 656 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: you can play them anywhere. I mean, they had him 657 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: playing a guard for Brandon Brooks when he was, you know, 658 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: still coming back from his achilles injury. So I think 659 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: you definitely need to find some guys with that ability. Um, 660 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: this game is all about protecting your quarterback and you 661 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: can never have enough of those guys. Sean, we really 662 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: appreciate the time. We look forward to seeing you in here. 663 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: During the off season. We have some more time and 664 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: we can start talking frained seeing the draft pal. All right, thanks, John, 665 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: appreciate it. That's showing. 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