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Speaker 1: In their first ever NFL game, Luciano, No Manning, and

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Speaker 2: They all had, you know, first game issues. They did.

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Speaker 3: They didn't play as well as they could have. There

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Speaker 3: were some mental errors, there's some physical breakdowns. Uh Ilm

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Speaker 3: is really of the three guys. ILMs really played very

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Speaker 3: well this camp and in the preseason game.

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Speaker 2: We look at him and you know, he's not tall,

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Speaker 2: I mean looks like a guard and he's been playing

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Speaker 1: Is that just a numbers issue that you're short on tackling.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So what happened post I'm sorry to cut you.

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Speaker 3: What happens when we would go to the undrafted you

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Speaker 3: were going looking to see who we're gonna try and

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Speaker 3: size on undrafted free agents, and it was it was

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Speaker 3: interesting because we needed to tackle and we look at.

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Speaker 2: The tackle list and we're like, gosh, these guys, I

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Speaker 2: mean it was thin, it was really thin. And then

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Speaker 2: Ilam just stood out.

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Speaker 3: He played tackle in college and he's a really really

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Speaker 3: good player, and we everybody projected him to guard, and uh,

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Speaker 3: we said, you know, most of the time those guys

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Speaker 3: they're on the third team, they end up playing in

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Speaker 3: the fourth quarter. Of the games, and they're playing against

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Speaker 3: kind of the same guys they played against in college.

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Speaker 3: It's not like they're starting yet or in a position

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Speaker 3: when they're playing. So let's just set them play it out.

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Speaker 3: If he can't do it, we'll juggle the you know,

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Speaker 2: And so he's he's done that. I don't I don't

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Speaker 3: Term career is a tackle, but he's played very well

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Speaker 3: there and you're you're right, he doesn't quite fit the prototype,

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Speaker 3: but he's done a good job.

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Speaker 2: As preseason.

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Speaker 1: I thought Manning Beach speaks pretty bad in that one

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Speaker 1: on one. I like the kickstep from Manning. What do

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Speaker 3: He's got He's got a really good bend, flexibility, balanced

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Speaker 3: things that you need inside. He's got good quickness. Uh,

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Speaker 3: you know, he's he'll have to learn it's quicker things happen.

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Speaker 3: The steps have to be shorter.

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Speaker 3: Burford goes through it a little bit. Still, he still

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Speaker 3: And I won't say quickness, it's more of just your

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Speaker 3: bit quicker at guard. And that's what Ilm will have

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Speaker 4: Where do you stand with Matt Pryor? It seems like

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Speaker 4: know he's not the typical sort of tackle you look

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Speaker 3: Well, that's excuse me, sorry, something something the other day.

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Speaker 3: right in the run game, he's not a prototypical guy.

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Speaker 3: But I think over the course of time, what I've

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Speaker 3: just keep drilling it, you just keep working. I just

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Speaker 3: middle ground. Yes, he is he ever going to be,

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Speaker 2: But sure he's obviously coming from division to.

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Speaker 3: Man, that's the time to try things because those reps

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Speaker 2: But I did learn early in my career that you know,

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Speaker 2: I hope so. I every day.

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Speaker 3: He is so much fun to work with and such

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Speaker 1: It's important for the your way of thinking, for the

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: The only thing I do know also is that the

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Speaker 2: You're playing full speed, full strain.

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Speaker 3: And for us, like a receiver, you know he can run,

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Speaker 2: And that's like that takes a lot out of you.

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Speaker 3: It is nice to get guys some reps and our

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