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Speaker 5: Friday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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Speaker 5: kicks off right now. Play off today again. Will be

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Speaker 5: back on Monday. Just hanging out last night with Elon

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Speaker 5: for what I can see you on the Twitter. Have

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Speaker 5: it a good time. We will talk to about all

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Speaker 5: that good stuff. But we've got a lot of news

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Speaker 5: for you, my friends. First up, another Trump appointment that

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Speaker 5: is making Democrat heads explode.

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Speaker 3: In this one, of course, Robert F.

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Speaker 5: Kennedy Junior as HHS Health sorry Health Secretary HHS and

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Speaker 5: director of that that's a big deal. Also, by the way,

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Speaker 5: Doug ee b is the gonna be the Interior secretary. Now,

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Speaker 5: a good Interior secretary. There's no problems there. It is

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Speaker 5: But RFK Junior has managed to run a third party

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Speaker 5: Nothing is going to freak them out more than RFK

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Speaker 5: It is completely unacceptable that the CDC has escaped any censure,

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Speaker 5: Going to be joined later on by my friend David Harstan.

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Speaker 5: He's got a book I think very interesting for the Times,

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Speaker 5: The Rise of Blue and Nine. Basically how conspiracy theories

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Speaker 5: the people who did it, so that there is justice

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Speaker 5: and so that others know I'm not going to pull

436
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Speaker 5: that crap. Now back to Daniel Penny in the subways

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Speaker 5: of New York City. I can tell you from personal experience,

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Speaker 5: I think all in I lived thirty something years in

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Speaker 5: New York. I can't even do the mech I don't

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Speaker 5: really know if you count college right. I went off

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Speaker 5: to Massachusetts for a few years, went to d C

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Speaker 5: for a.

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Speaker 3: Number of years. Call thirty something years.

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Speaker 5: I lived in New York City, and I lived there

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Speaker 5: during the bad times, the worst times actually the early nineties,

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Speaker 5: and the best times, which were two thy and tens.

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Speaker 5: I would say around that period was when the city

448
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Speaker 5: was just at its absolute peak, golden age for New

449
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Speaker 5: York in terms of safety and cleanliness and everything.

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Speaker 3: It was just great.

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Speaker 5: And then it's gone way downhill and the taxes are

452
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Speaker 5: out of control, and the tax authorities are absolutely rapacious.

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Speaker 5: So you know, I've been on the subway before when

454
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Speaker 5: clearly deranged and threatening people get on your subway car,

455
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Speaker 5: and I've had to make that mental calculation of And

456
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Speaker 5: I'm not saying I'm every guy.

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Speaker 3: I mean with the women.

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Speaker 5: I think on the subway car, it's oh my gosh,

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Speaker 5: like how do I avoid being attacked by this guy?

460
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Speaker 5: And for some of the guys on the subway car,

461
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Speaker 5: they have their Daniel Penny moment. They think to themselves,

462
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Speaker 5: what am I gonna do if this guy is about

463
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Speaker 5: to make a move. What do I do if if

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Speaker 5: he starts groping some woman, which happens on the subways,

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Speaker 5: or he threatens to stab somebody if they don't give

466
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Speaker 5: them their wallet, which happens on the subways. Like what

467
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Speaker 5: am I gonna do as a guy? And I'm gonna

468
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Speaker 5: tell you the truth? A lot of us. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I remember I was I was Columbus Circle subway and

470
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Speaker 5: this was Clay and I were doing the show together.

471
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Speaker 5: It's funny. It was like there's like COVID, there's like

472
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Speaker 5: Clin and I teaming up. These are this is how

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Speaker 5: I mark things in my head. Uh so, yeah, I

474
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Speaker 5: was post this show. I think I talked about it

475
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Speaker 5: maybe on the show. And there's a guy. Columbus Circle

476
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Speaker 5: is a very busy subway stop, ten o'clock in the morning.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's a it's a busy morning on the

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Speaker 5: subway stop. There's a guy who's standing atop of the

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Speaker 5: subway stairs. People walking up and down streaming both times,

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Speaker 5: and he's standing there and he is I mean, I

481
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Speaker 5: think I'm allowed to say it on the Riddy he

482
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Speaker 5: is masturbating. It just doesn't care. And no one's doing anything.

483
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 5: He's like leering at women. No one's doing anything. And

484
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Speaker 5: he sit there and you go, okay, well, this guy's

485
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 5: clearly like clearly insane, you know, sexual deviant. There's some

486
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Speaker 5: kind of you got real problems here. And yeah, like

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Speaker 5: I don't I don't want to touch this, Like, no

488
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Speaker 5: one wants to, you know, lay hands on this guy.

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Speaker 5: The whole thing is a mess. And where are the cops.

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Speaker 5: Where's the police? Are they gonna do it? Well if

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Speaker 5: they come over and and they, uh, you know, try

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Speaker 5: to put hands on this guy. What if somebody takes

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Speaker 5: a video of this. Now, when all of a sudden

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Speaker 5: this guy, he's probably a scholar. You know, he fifteen

495
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Speaker 5: years ago, he got like an a minus on a

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Speaker 5: science report when he was in high school. So like

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Speaker 5: that's you know, the New York Times, they'll find a

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Speaker 5: graduation photo of him. They'll they'll find oh, you know,

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Speaker 5: you know he once showed up at like a senior

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Speaker 5: citizen's home ten years ago to do a magic trick

501
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Speaker 5: or something, and so he's a great person. And look

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Speaker 5: at them face planning him on the I won't even

503
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Speaker 5: mention if you think I'm making that up with the

504
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Speaker 5: Daniel Penny caase I'm reading the New York Times discussion

505
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Speaker 5: of this, and they are the right up of this.

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Speaker 5: They say, mister Neely, who had a history of mental illness,

507
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 5: boarded an uptown f train on the afternoon of May one,

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty three, and began yelling. He got on the

509
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Speaker 5: train and said he was gonna start.

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Speaker 3: Killing people, began yelling. I can get on the train

511
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Speaker 3: and yell and say, hey, everybody, I'm gonna do a

512
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Speaker 3: magic trick. That's yelling. If I get on a train

513
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Speaker 3: and say I'm gonna kill people, I feel like that's

514
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 3: a little different, isn't it. That's a threat.

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Speaker 5: That's actionable. But you know what they left out, history

516
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Speaker 5: of mental illness. Yeah, history of attacking people on the subway.

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Speaker 5: He broke some woman's like one hundred and ten pound

518
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Speaker 5: Asian woman's eye socket by punching or in the face

519
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 5: for no reason the subway, and you might think yourself

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Speaker 5: win a second.

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Speaker 3: He did that. Houses still on the streets.

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Speaker 5: Welcome to New York. Yeah, you know this guy Neely,

523
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Speaker 5: he's arrested. Arrested, let out, let out. Got to make

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Speaker 5: sure you lock up Alan Weiselberg though, because he worked

525
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Speaker 5: for the Trump organization. Got to make sure you lock

526
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Speaker 5: up Steve Bennon because he won't bend the knee. I

527
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 5: know that's federal, but he won't bend the knee to

528
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Speaker 5: Pelosi and the Democrat witch hunt in Congress. You know,

529
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 5: gott to lock up George Papadoppolos for two weeks because

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Speaker 5: he's involved with the Trump and you know he misremembered

531
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Speaker 5: when he had lunch two weeks ago or something. I mean,

532
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Speaker 5: the whole thing. This is what they do, though, the

533
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 5: weaponization of law. It tears society apart, It messes with

534
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Speaker 5: us all psychologically and now Daniel Penny faces a long

535
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Speaker 5: stretch in prison if he is convicted by this jury.

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00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 5: I wonder if the threat of riots is already hanging

537
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Speaker 5: in the background, if people are thinking about that in

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Speaker 5: New York if he were to be found not guilty.

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Speaker 5: But I just I want to tell you, I've been

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Speaker 5: in New York City and I've been through these situations,

541
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Speaker 5: and you know it. You have to think about it

542
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Speaker 5: as a guy because a lot of you, I understand

543
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Speaker 5: a lot of you live in places where there's more

544
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Speaker 5: sane government. You know, if you're listening to here right

545
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 5: now and you live in Idaho, you're probably thinking I

546
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 5: could step in there, and I know that not only

547
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Speaker 5: could you handle yourself, but the state's attorney or the

548
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 5: district attorney or whatever it is, would see it through

549
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Speaker 5: reasonable eyes of a person who believes that we have

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Speaker 5: the right to self defense and not be threatened with

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Speaker 5: murder on the subway.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 5: The problem in New York City is if you step in,

554
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 5: no matter what's going on. And like I said, I

555
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 5: have been and I could walk you through different scenarios

556
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Speaker 5: where I've had to sit there and be like okay,

557
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 5: like I might have to do something here but you

558
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 5: step in. It's you know, is it I step in

559
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 5: and and save, you know, save some woman from being

560
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 5: a further violated on the subway by some maniac who

561
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Speaker 5: smells like he hasn't bathed.

562
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Speaker 3: In ten years. Is that the story or is it?

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Speaker 5: You know what white nationalist right wing radio so use

564
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Speaker 5: violence against the mostly peaceful, you know, groping. I mean,

565
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 5: these people are maniacs in these district attorney's offices. And

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Speaker 5: I know I have friends who are working. I don't

567
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 5: want to get any in trouble. I know people work

568
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Speaker 5: in these offices. The stuff that they will do is

569
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 5: that social justice nonsense. They are maniacs, and they want

570
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 5: to punish certain people. They want to make examples of them,

571
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 5: and they might do this now to Daniel Penny. So

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Speaker 5: I know we're all still in this.

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Speaker 3: I gotta get to read.

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Speaker 5: I know, I know we're all still in this glow

575
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 5: of Trump just won the election and things are changing.

576
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Speaker 5: They may not change fast enough for Daniel Penny. I

577
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Speaker 5: am very concerned about how this jury is going to

578
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Speaker 5: find all right, let's talk prize picks, my friends. You

579
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Speaker 5: heard Clay's picks yesterday. I still have them here somewhere.

580
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Speaker 5: What guys, do we have the picks?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: We'll put them up on the website. I said them yesterday.

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Speaker 5: There was a mister I don't remember the names.

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Speaker 3: I don't remember this.

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Speaker 5: Whatever the point is, we gave them to you. Go

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Speaker 5: back and listen to the podcast. We gave you Clay's

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Speaker 5: a lot of fun, as you can tell. I have

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Speaker 5: to say thank you, Clay. We've all won some money.

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Speaker 3: So easy to use, all about the players and not

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Speaker 3: the team. So easy to use.

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Speaker 5: Even I can use it. And I'm not into this stuff,

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Speaker 5: as you can tell. But it's fun to do with. Yes,

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Speaker 5: I know, the gentleman's name is not Pickles. I have

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Speaker 5: since found that out. There's no mister Pickles who was

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Speaker 5: playing in the football Up on the website claimbuck dot com.

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Speaker 5: You've got Clay's picks there, so you can go check

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Speaker 5: that out. But first and foremost, download the Prize Picks app.

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Speaker 5: It's a lot of fun. I did it on tennis

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Speaker 5: prize picks with tennis when the US Open was going on.

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Speaker 5: It's a lot of fun. You know you can you

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Speaker 5: Let's dive in if we can to HHS being run

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Speaker 5: by RFK Junior. If this one goes well, Actually, before

632
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Speaker 5: I get to what he'll do, how much resistance do

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Speaker 5: you think there really is from the machine? Is it

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Speaker 5: almost Gates level or substantially less in your mind?

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Speaker 2: No, No, it's at least Gates level. I mean they're wow,

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Speaker 2: it's state here. Yeah, I mean this is a this

637
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Speaker 2: is a big deal. I mean, you know, this is

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Speaker 2: a trillion dollar agency and uh, you know, he's going

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Speaker 2: to be taking on one of the most powerful industries

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Speaker 2: in the United States and the world. I think that

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Speaker 2: that that President Trump or President like Trump will appoint

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Speaker 2: him with a recess appointment if necessary, which which might

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Speaker 2: be necessary. I think I think, I mean, listen, the

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Speaker 2: Gates thing is interesting because I think that's a lot

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Speaker 2: that's driven seemingly personally that people just do not like him.

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Speaker 2: On Capitol Hill. But this one is much more or substantives.

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Speaker 5: So what what do you think about? Like, what are

648
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 5: the good things that he could do? What are you

649
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 5: worried about him doing if he gets into this role?

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Speaker 3: If anything?

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Speaker 5: Sure?

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Speaker 2: I mean he he has a lot of ideas that

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Speaker 2: h that that that I think are I don't agree.

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Speaker 2: Let me put it this out. I don't agree with

655
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Speaker 2: everything that R. F. K. Junior thinks about medicine, about vaccines,

656
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Speaker 2: uh and in general about you know, what's making Americans

657
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Speaker 2: unhealthy and how we can fix it. But I think

658
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Speaker 2: the fact that that that he's being seriously considered, that

659
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Speaker 2: he's being nominated for this shows you how frustrated and

660
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Speaker 2: angry the United States has become with public health.

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Speaker 5: Well well can I can I jump in there Alex,

662
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Speaker 5: just real quick, just just because I mean, I I

663
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Speaker 5: think the CDC is what they did in COVID. I mean,

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Speaker 5: this is why I wanted to have you on, because

665
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Speaker 5: you or front and center and you gave a lot

666
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Speaker 5: of us and you know you remember I was one

667
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Speaker 5: of the early ones on the right who was like

668
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 5: this is crazy. The lockdowns are nuts. And I was like, hey,

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Speaker 5: there's this guy Alexperence and nice to have you on

670
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Speaker 5: my show, but it was just my show before Clay

671
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 5: and I teamed up. I think what the CDC did

672
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Speaker 5: is vile. I think it lost all credibility with people

673
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Speaker 5: that actually have brain cells and can think for themselves.

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Speaker 5: And I think something dramatic needs to be done.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, I totally agree. And that's why, you know,

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Speaker 2: I I amn't taken a position on this, not that

677
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: you know, not that anyone necessarily cares what I think.

678
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 2: I think. Ultimately, I'm going to support it, even though

679
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 2: I have misgivings about some of the specifics of some

680
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 2: of the stuff. RFK believes and says, because we need

681
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Speaker 2: to shake up the public health establishment and the medical

682
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Speaker 2: establishment and the medical research establishment in the United States

683
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Speaker 2: because they consider themselves better than the people they serve.

684
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Speaker 2: And it comes down in a hundred different ways. And

685
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Speaker 2: you know, and they've they've they've lied more and more openly,

686
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Speaker 2: right so, so they they've just been aligned right at

687
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Speaker 2: the NIH and uh, you know, and elsewhere in the

688
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Speaker 2: government about the fact that that you know that COVID

689
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 2: almost certainly all I mean all but certainly came out

690
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Speaker 2: of a Chinese lab right, they just won't admit it.

691
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Speaker 2: And that's a huge that's a huge thing because you know,

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Speaker 2: many people died and.

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Speaker 5: It is a lab that US funding, US funding did

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Speaker 5: go to this lab.

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Speaker 2: That's right, it's it. And and there's a US scientist

696
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Speaker 2: named Ralph Barrack in North Carolina who's very very closely

697
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Speaker 2: connected with that lab, and he's also very very closely

698
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Speaker 2: connected with Anthony Fauci. So so the fact that no

699
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Speaker 2: one in the government has been willing to discuss this

700
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Speaker 2: in a meaningful way in five years, that's a huge problem.

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Speaker 2: The fact that so many people took m RNA vaccines

702
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 2: and had serious side effects and then and then very

703
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: quickly got COVID afterwards, and weren't supposed to pretend that

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Speaker 2: these work. And the CDC, I mean this, I said

705
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Speaker 2: this this morning. The CDC doubled down on this by

706
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Speaker 2: continuing they're continuing to say that people, including infants six

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Speaker 2: months old and older, should get us an mRNA vaccine. Now,

708
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Speaker 2: it is crazy that they will not have an honest

709
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Speaker 2: conversation about this, and it is and it is a

710
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 2: response to this. There's a response to all of these

711
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Speaker 2: individual things, and then together a response to the side

712
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Speaker 2: that we have a four trillion dollar trillion with a

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Speaker 2: t medical industry in the United States, and yet our

714
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Speaker 2: our life expectancy is basically the same as it was

715
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Speaker 2: twenty years ago and has gone down for a couple

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Speaker 2: of years. You know, went down during COVID, went down

717
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Speaker 2: because of the opioid crisis. Our medical establishment is in turmoil.

718
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Speaker 2: It is not running well. It is in love with itself.

719
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Speaker 2: And our K Junior is going to shape that up now.

720
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Speaker 2: He's he's going to do some things that I don't like.

721
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Speaker 2: Now I don't necessarily think are scientifically well.

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Speaker 5: Before we get out to m A, before we get

723
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Speaker 5: to what you don't like. We are people in the

724
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Speaker 5: World House or the White House to be I should say,

725
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Speaker 5: listen to the show a handful of them. But I

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Speaker 5: know for a fact what should r f KG. I mean,

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Speaker 5: if you were an advisor to the head of AHHS,

728
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Speaker 5: given what you've seen with the way they play these

729
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Speaker 5: games in the CDC in on NIH, what are the

730
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Speaker 5: big level things that should be done?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Okay, so in terms of vaccines, the number one

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Speaker 2: thing that needs to happen, And I've said this publicly

733
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Speaker 2: and I'm going to keep writing about it. You know,

734
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Speaker 2: I wrote about it on Unreported Truce a few days ago.

735
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Speaker 2: I'm gona write about it again. We need to end

736
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Speaker 2: vaccine liability, I mean liability protection vaccine immunity vaccines. You

737
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Speaker 2: need to be able to sue over vaccine injuries the

738
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Speaker 2: way you can sue over injuries for any other product

739
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Speaker 2: in the United States. Okay, they're not, and that's very

740
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Speaker 2: important for two reasons. Okay. First of all, what the

741
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 2: pharma pharma is not stupid, okay. And what Farma has

742
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Speaker 2: done is it has it has served tried to get

743
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Speaker 2: more and more products classified as vaccine, so they have

744
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: this absolute protection in you know, with some success, and

745
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 2: that's something that they'll continue to do. But more importantly,

746
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Speaker 2: by saying that we're buying into this myth that vaccines

747
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Speaker 2: are some miracle that can never be questioned. Okay, they're

748
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: so special and so important that a right that we

749
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: have that extends to every other product does not extend

750
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Speaker 2: to them. That's what we're saying when we allow vaccines

751
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Speaker 2: to be completely immune from any lawsuits. And we shouldn't

752
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 2: do that because they're not. They're just another product. They

753
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 2: need to be judged normally. As with risks and benefits.

754
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: The second thing, and this is more complicated. I don't

755
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: even know if this is possible, Okay, but and frankly

756
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: I think it might be constitutionally problematic. But what we

757
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: should try to figure out if there's a way to

758
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Speaker 2: at least reduce direct to consumer advertising of pharmaceutical products,

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Speaker 2: you know, I prescription drugs.

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Speaker 5: Can I only ask you a question with Alex I

761
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Speaker 5: don't want to interrupt your floakes. I'm like, in all

762
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Speaker 5: this information, but there's a theory. Here's the thing people

763
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Speaker 5: see these drugs. We all know the thing. We see

764
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Speaker 5: somebody on horseback on a beach and then it's like oh,

765
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Speaker 5: and then they're like going through a field and then

766
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Speaker 5: it's like, you know, uh something something arab but you know,

767
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 5: and some drug you've never heard of before. You're like,

768
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Speaker 5: I don't even know what this thing does. How is

769
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Speaker 5: this advertising? And the theory that I see people put

770
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 5: out there is well, it's because they're buying off the

771
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Speaker 5: entirety of the media with massive, massive advertising campaigns, and

772
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Speaker 5: so they know they won't be criticized because you're not

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Speaker 5: going to attack phiz or Pfizer's writing you a ten

774
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Speaker 5: million dollars year. Check is that what's going on? Because

775
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Speaker 5: I don't understand how advertising for a product that nobody understands

776
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Speaker 5: is advertising.

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Speaker 2: Well, so I think that is actually part of it.

778
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 2: I've gotten more cynical about that part of it, and

779
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Speaker 2: I think I think there is, uh, there's something to that.

780
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Speaker 2: But but what this does and the company you know

781
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 2: this is it gets people go into their doctors and ask, oh,

782
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 2: you know what like do I have high blood pressure?

783
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 2: Do I need you know, blah blah blah drug or that,

784
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 2: and it gets them to ask. And there's another thing

785
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: that happens, which is that it drives up overall spending

786
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 2: on drugs. Why because you know, the way this drugs

787
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: industry works in this country is that is that you

788
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: get patent protection for you know, about fifteen to twenty years,

789
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Speaker 2: depending on the drug and depending on how quickly you

790
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 2: get it approved, and then that goes away. So once

791
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: that goes away, the companies stop advertising it, they stop

792
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 2: caring about it, and that so the companies want to

793
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: switch people from generic to branded drugs and the advertisement

794
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: helps with that. So it's all those different reasons. But

795
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 2: people point out correctly that we in New Zealand are

796
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: the only two countries in the world where you can

797
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 2: advertise these products directly to consumers. Now, I'm just not sure, honestly,

798
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Speaker 2: whether there's a legal way to regulate this. You know,

799
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 2: in the US we have First Amendment protections for commercial speech,

800
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Speaker 2: and you can see you know, gambling and liquor and

801
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: all kinds of ads on TV. You know, people say tobacco, Well,

802
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 2: the tobacco company sort of voluntarily gave that up in

803
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Speaker 2: the late nineties as part of a settlement, you know,

804
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Speaker 2: of all the you know, for all the stuff they've

805
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Speaker 2: been doing for fifty years. So I don't know whether

806
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Speaker 2: there's a way to regulate this, but certainly RFK should

807
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Speaker 2: look at that.

808
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Speaker 5: Now, what would you want him to stay away from?

809
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 5: I mean, if you were giving advice, Hey, I think

810
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 5: you shouldn't go down this rabbit hole or it's not

811
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Speaker 5: worth it, or you know, because you were you were

812
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 5: about to go down there. I don't I don't want

813
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 5: to stop you. I just wanted to get you on

814
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 5: this side of it first. But what what concerns you

815
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 5: or what advice would you give to RFK Junior going in, Hey, man,

816
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 5: don't don't try don't try to do this. You got

817
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 5: other things you got to handle well.

818
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Speaker 2: So this is going to annoy a lot of un

819
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 2: reported truth readers and maybe some of your audience. But

820
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Speaker 2: I don't see. I mean, if he wants to do

821
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: a deep dive into the science around the harms of

822
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Speaker 2: older childhood vaccines, I'm not talking about the MR and

823
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 2: A COVID vaccines. I'm not talking about new vaccines. I'm

824
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Speaker 2: talking about the stuff that was around, that's been around

825
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 2: for generations, that is sort of widely used. If he

826
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Speaker 2: wants to, you know, sort of try to figure out

827
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Speaker 2: if there's any fresh way into that, I think that's okay.

828
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Speaker 2: I think in the interim, it would be a bad

829
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Speaker 2: idea to discourage people from taking those vaccines for their kids.

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Speaker 2: I just I know there's a big argument about this,

831
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Speaker 2: and I haven't looked at it deeply, but my sense

832
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Speaker 2: is there's not good evidence that those vaccines, the older ones,

833
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Speaker 2: cause autism, which is the big concern about them, and

834
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Speaker 2: unless we have that, we shouldn't be discouraging parents from

835
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Speaker 2: from doing that, in my.

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Speaker 5: Opinion, Alex, I don't know if you know, but we

837
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Speaker 5: we on the show, you know, we know some people.

838
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Speaker 5: Would you would you serve in a capacity advisory capacity

839
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Speaker 5: if asked by RFK junior at HHS.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I would do that. I mean I'm not I'm

841
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 2: not an MP, but but I would try to help

842
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 2: them ask the right questions. Yeah, I would do that,

843
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 2: But but you know, they might not want me because

844
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 2: like like I'm through skepticism that they might not want

845
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Speaker 2: to hear.

846
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Speaker 5: Well, what I would offer is that is that your

847
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 5: track record on COVID shows that you follow the evidence.

848
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Speaker 5: And if what one of the ways they're going to

849
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 5: shake up the culture of not just CDC, but overall

850
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 5: everything under the umbrella of AHHS is to allow informed

851
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 5: skepticism as part of the debate to get to the

852
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 5: best possible solutions. I think you and there would make

853
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 5: a lot of sense, right because you're not some true

854
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 5: believer in one thing or another. You follow the evidence.

855
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Speaker 5: I still remember you came on this show in July

856
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 5: of twenty two. I think it was you're like, guys,

857
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Speaker 5: these vaccines the efficacy window is like a few.

858
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Speaker 3: Weeks we were getting hammered for having you on. You

859
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Speaker 3: were one hundred percent.

860
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Speaker 2: Right, yep. And one other thing, and this is maybe

861
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Speaker 2: more my thing. Personally, I'm not a big fan of

862
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Speaker 2: like alistic drugs generally, right, or you know, cannabis and

863
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Speaker 2: the psychedelics, the stuff where there's been a strong move

864
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Speaker 2: to legalize these things in the last thirty years. I

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Speaker 2: don't see a lot of like help to the public

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Speaker 2: health and that. And I know RFK or I've read

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Speaker 2: that RFK is interested in legalizing cannabis and legalizing you know,

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Speaker 2: or more encouraging medical use of the psychedelics. I think

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Speaker 2: the evidence is really weak on that, and I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: encourage that. But you know, I'm not going to go

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Speaker 2: to I'm not going to go to war on that.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think it's a it's a great move.

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Speaker 5: All right, Well, Alex, we're gonna keep talking about this

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Speaker 5: as it moves forward. And oh wait, what is accountability

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Speaker 5: at the I've only got like a minute, but what

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Speaker 5: does accountability at the CDC look like? I mean, what

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Speaker 5: does real accountability there mean? In twenty twenty five, If

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Speaker 5: RFK Junior can do it.

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Speaker 2: It would start by ending all recommendations for the m

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Speaker 2: RNA vaccines and going into the CDC's relationships with drug

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Speaker 2: companies and vaccine manufacturers. I'd start there all right.

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Speaker 5: Excellent Alex, thanks so much unreported truths everybody on substack.

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Speaker 5: I'm an early and long time subscriber. Recommend you do it, Alex.

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Speaker 5: Appreciate you making the time for us.

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Speaker 2: Fuck tremendous pleasure. Thanks.

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Speaker 3: Look.

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Speaker 5: Teaching your family how to protect themselves is absolutely critical

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Speaker 5: Podcasts Our Friend David Harsani joins, now we're talking about

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Speaker 5: his book A little Bit here, Rise of Blue, a

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Speaker 5: non There we go, how the Democrats became a party

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Speaker 5: of conspiracy theorists. David, I'm actually gonna read from the

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Speaker 5: inside jacket here for a second.

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Speaker 3: Welcome. Of course, A.

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Speaker 5: Recent poll found nearly twice as many Democrats as Republicans

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Speaker 5: believe the Holocaust is a myth. Meanwhile, sixty nine percent

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Speaker 5: of Americans who believe that alien spacecraft are observing our

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Speaker 5: planet right now are Democrats, a far higher number than Republicans. Historically,

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Speaker 5: Democrats are more likely to be nine to eleven truthers,

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Speaker 5: despite their law and signs declaring science is real. Democrats

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Speaker 5: are twice as likely as Republicans to believe in astrology.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we keep going down the list. What's going

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Speaker 3: on here, mister HARSANYI.

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Speaker 4: I think that the consensus has always been that the

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Speaker 4: right is the one that is more prone to disinformation.

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Speaker 4: But truly the left, and I'll tell you why it's

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Speaker 4: more dangerous. They take conspiracy theories, they polish them up,

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Speaker 4: they launder them through the media. They have experts tell

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Speaker 4: you it's true. Who are just partisans? They and so

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Speaker 4: they become much more plausible and much more you know.

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Speaker 4: So it's just wider spread through the left than on

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Speaker 4: the right, because on the right, usually conspiracy theorists are

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Speaker 4: you know, on the fringes. They're not really you know,

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Speaker 4: mainstreamed in the same way. So I think that it's

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Speaker 4: just more common on the left because it's you know,

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Speaker 4: it's just more mainstream through their media, through through media.

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Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned in this one.

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Speaker 5: I mean you mentioned, for example, stealing elections, and Democrats

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Speaker 5: are always gone. This is something I have to remind everybody

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Speaker 5: all the time.

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Speaker 3: They say Trump doesn't you didn't accept the results of

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Speaker 3: the twenty twenty election.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, Democrats didn't accept twenty sixteen, didn't accept two thousand.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Democrats have made an art form of denying elections.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, people forget now, or maybe they're too young, But

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Speaker 4: in two thousand and four there was almost every major

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Speaker 4: Democrats said there was something wrong with the Ohio voting.

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Speaker 4: They investigated it. People tried to deny Bush the election.

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Speaker 4: And remember in the two thousands, people like Michael Moore

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Speaker 4: complete off the you know, crazy conspiracy theorists made documentaries

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Speaker 4: that made hundreds of millions of dollars got standing ovations

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Speaker 4: at the oscars. That's what I mean by main streams.

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Speaker 4: I think that, you know, and then when they're debunked,

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Speaker 4: like I say, the Russia collusion, hope they just move

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Speaker 4: on to the next thing. No one, No one ever

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Speaker 4: pays a price, no one's called the conspiracy theorist. No

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Speaker 4: one lose a job, No one loses a job.

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Speaker 5: What was the wackiest when you're doing your research for

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Speaker 5: this what was the wackiest thing that you saw coming

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Speaker 5: out as a conspiracy theory that a good number of

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Speaker 5: Democrats really bought into?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean over in two thousand and six, I

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Speaker 4: think it was it was a poll that showed that

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Speaker 4: over fifty percent of Democrats thought George Bush knew that

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Speaker 4: nine to eleven was going to happen and let it

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Speaker 4: happen for personal benefit. But the worst one, I think

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Speaker 4: is in twenty eighteen, when I forget the exact number,

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Speaker 4: but something like fifty eight percent of Democrats believe that

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Speaker 4: the Russians that had just sent some Facebook ads, but

988
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Speaker 4: that they had messed with the vote tallies and stolen

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Speaker 4: the election. And this is a you know, that's a

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Speaker 4: massive number of people who believed something that there was

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Speaker 4: never any evidence for that. Even the conspiracy theorists weren't

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Speaker 4: sam it's true. They had gone, you know, past that

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Speaker 4: because they had been involved in this mass hysteria. So

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Speaker 4: I think that's the craziest thing that they believed, and

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Speaker 4: it just happened a few years ago.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know one thing, David, and we're speaking to

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Speaker 5: David Harsani. His book is The Rise of Blue Anon,

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Speaker 5: How the Democrats became a party of conspiracy theories. Well

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Speaker 5: one thing that to me at least sounds like it

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Speaker 5: could be a part of this. I just got my copy,

1001
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Speaker 5: so I'm gonna have to get in and dive dive

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Speaker 5: into this and read over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: David.

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Speaker 5: So you may deal with this in some detail in

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Speaker 5: the book, but to me, it seems like part of

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Speaker 5: it is if a conspiracy hurts Republicans, it doesn't matter

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Speaker 5: at all whether it's true or not.

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Speaker 3: So even people who aren't.

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Speaker 5: Expected, I truly believe it, aren't expected to go along

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Speaker 5: with it because so many of these conspiracies just become

1011
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Speaker 5: political cudgels.

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Speaker 4: Of course, the New York Times will give a hearing

1013
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Speaker 4: to any conspiracy theorists on the left. I write about

1014
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Speaker 4: this last year or yeah, last year, the New York

1015
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Speaker 4: Times ran a huge, long story about this guy who

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Speaker 4: says that Reagan Reagan had made a deal with the

1017
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Speaker 4: Iranians to not release the hostages so that he could

1018
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Speaker 4: win the election in nineteen to eighty. I mean, there's

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Speaker 4: no there's zero evidence or something like that, but they'll

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Speaker 4: publish it. And that's just, you know, kind of a

1021
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Speaker 4: revisionist conspiracy theory. But obviously they'll publish anything here now

1022
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Speaker 4: as well. But I just quickly want to say that

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Speaker 4: it's not just conspiracy theories. It's also paranoia. I'll give

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Speaker 4: you the worst, one of the most pernicious ones, telling

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Speaker 4: African American voters that they're being stripped of the right

1026
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Speaker 4: to vote, that there's voter suppression when it is easier

1027
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Speaker 4: to vote than it's ever been in the history of

1028
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Speaker 4: mankind anywhere. But yet people believe sixty something percent of

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Speaker 4: black people believe that the that there's a systemic, systemic,

1030
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Speaker 4: you know, effort underway to not let them vote, or

1031
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Speaker 4: that they believe that white cops are going around hunting

1032
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Speaker 4: black people to kill young black men. I mean, that

1033
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Speaker 4: makes them feel like they're in a country that hates them,

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Speaker 4: that they don't have agency.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not saying they aren't racists.

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Speaker 4: Of course they're racist, But that's a paranoia that has

1037
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Speaker 4: taken hold that know that is simply easily debunked by

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Speaker 4: by factual evidence.

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Speaker 5: What do we do about this phenomenon? It does feel

1040
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Speaker 5: like at some level, David, the election results are a

1041
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Speaker 5: major pushback at a minimum to some of the craziest

1042
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Speaker 5: beliefs of the left. But is it just the loosening

1043
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Speaker 5: of their controls over the information ecosystem as in now

1044
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Speaker 5: that X to the degree that you know, everyone can

1045
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Speaker 5: see seems to be willing to at least allow people

1046
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Speaker 5: to say mean things about Democrats or things Democrats don't

1047
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Speaker 5: once said they don't have the same stranglehold them and

1048
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Speaker 5: the others. Talk radio, there's Fox News, There have been ways,

1049
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Speaker 5: but online it seems to be like it seems to

1050
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Speaker 5: be loosening up a bit. Is that one way? What

1051
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Speaker 5: are the how do we deal with this? Like, how

1052
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Speaker 5: do we handle this so that people stop stop believing

1053
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Speaker 5: crazy stuff?

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Speaker 4: We're in a weird spot now because it's clear that

1055
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Speaker 4: this election made it clear that people aren't listening to

1056
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Speaker 4: what the media is telling them. They were engaged in

1057
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Speaker 4: a paranoid style of politics, saying that Trump was hitler,

1058
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Speaker 4: that you were semi fascists and all of that, and

1059
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Speaker 4: the Handmaid's Tales stuff and all of that, So no

1060
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Speaker 4: one was really listening. Obviously, every ethnic group all kinds

1061
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Speaker 4: of moves towards Trump. But I think it was a

1062
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Speaker 4: very normy election. People wanted some normalcy. But now we

1063
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Speaker 4: don't really have any you know, we don't trust any institution.

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Speaker 4: I don't mean we trust any big institution. So we

1065
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Speaker 4: have to someone has to build up places that can

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Speaker 4: be trusted again, I don't you know. And I think, yes,

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Speaker 4: it's going to be great to dunk on libs and

1068
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Speaker 4: put people in positions that dunk on lives. I'm not

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Speaker 4: against that, but you also need confident people who are

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Speaker 4: going to make us or allow us to trust, you know, HHS.

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Speaker 4: So we're going to allow us to trust the Justice Department.

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Speaker 4: I think it's important if you care about this stuff,

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Speaker 4: that you have institutions that you could trust.

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Speaker 5: And I'm wondering also about some of these media outlets,

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Speaker 5: you know, Jeff Bezos, it was fascinating they got so

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Speaker 5: freaked out of the Washington Post because Bezos said, you're

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Speaker 5: not allowed to endorse in this election cycle, as if first.

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Speaker 3: Of all, the endorsement doesn't matter.

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Speaker 5: Second of all, we all know who the Washington Post

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Speaker 5: would endorse if they could endorse. But if you were

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Speaker 5: to take a step back and say, I want this

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Speaker 5: paper to function at least non hysterically, maybe that's a

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Speaker 5: way I.

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Speaker 3: Could put it. It wouldn't be that hard.

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Speaker 5: You know, these papers have the Ombudsman position, right, I mean,

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Speaker 5: they have supposedly some kind of internal checks and balances,

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Speaker 5: and then they haven't been functioning. But I'm saying, theoretically

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Speaker 5: you could create them. I mean, all you need is

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Speaker 5: somebody on the Washington Post, you know, in the newsroom

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Speaker 5: whose job is to oversee the politicization of the front

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Speaker 5: page from a conservative perspective. And I feel like you

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Speaker 5: could start to rain some of this stuff in Or

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Speaker 5: is it just impossible? Is that just there's no market

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Speaker 5: for that anymore? I mean, how do you see it?

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Speaker 4: I think you need to fire most people. It's not

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Speaker 4: it's not the editorial page. It's really the problem at

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Speaker 4: these Don't get me wrong, They could be better and

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Speaker 4: all that it's the reporters. It's the stray reporters that

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Speaker 4: are the problem, and the culture in these places you'd

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Speaker 4: have to finish. You have to fix it completely, because

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Speaker 4: think about the kids who are coming out of journalism

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Speaker 4: school now. They're all just you know, they're not prepared

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Speaker 4: to see other opinions in the paper. When when when

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Speaker 4: when they don't endorse, the whole paper melts down. When

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Speaker 4: The New York Times puts the Tom Cotton op ed up,

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Speaker 4: the editorial assistance will revolt and get the uh, get

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Speaker 4: the get the editor of the op ed page fire.

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Speaker 4: So I think there really needs to be a culture change,

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Speaker 4: and that takes a long time. I'm not saying they're

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Speaker 4: on good journalists around, but the incentives are not to

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00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 4: reward them, because who gets rewarded. If you're anti Trump,

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Speaker 4: you get a million followers on Twitter. If you're being

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Speaker 4: an biased reporter and doing good work, no one pays

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Speaker 4: attention to you. So until those incentives are changed, I'm

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Speaker 4: not sure that it's going.

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Speaker 2: To get much better.

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Speaker 3: I think that's absolutely true.

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Speaker 5: We've got the book here, The Rise of Blue and

1119
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Speaker 5: Non David Harstani, the author. Go get your copy and

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Speaker 5: look for David's columns The Washington Examiner. David, great to

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Speaker 5: talk to you as always. Thanks for making the.

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Speaker 4: Time you two, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 5: All right, my fellow gun owners, you know what I'm

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00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 5: doing this weekend range day tomorrow, it's coming up, getting

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Speaker 5: ready for it, and I'm gonna be out there with

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Speaker 5: my Bear Creek Arsenal pistol and rifle pistols and rifles. Actually,

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Speaker 5: they make a handgun that I'll have with me called

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Speaker 5: the Grizzly. It's a nine millimeter now a lot of

1129
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Speaker 5: ways this is this reminds me of some of the

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Speaker 5: very well known side arms I used to train with

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00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 5: back in the CIA days. But the Grizzly has got

1132
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Speaker 5: some great changes, some additions to it as well. And

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Speaker 5: you've got upgrades like an R and R optic cut,

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00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 5: improved grip texture, and metal sites. So it feels really

1135
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Speaker 5: good in your hands. And here's the thing. The price

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Speaker 5: point is less than you'd expect a lot of premium

1137
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Speaker 5: handguns out there, you know, five hundred bucks, six hundred bucks.

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Speaker 5: You can get a Grizzly from Barcreek Arsenal for two

1139
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Speaker 5: hundred and ninety five dollars on Barcreek Arsenal dot com.

1140
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Speaker 5: Right now, this thing is very accurate. I'll put up

1141
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Speaker 5: a video to me of me over the weekend shooting this.

1142
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Speaker 5: I'm shooting it. I was shooting it recently with steel

1143
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Speaker 5: sites at you know, like twenty yards, and some people

1144
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:23,439
Speaker 5: are like, I could shoot the flies off a wing

1145
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 5: at that. This is, you know, everybody, all of a

1146
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 5: sudden's the marksman. Whenever the buckster puts up a shooting video,

1147
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 5: it's amazing. Everybody's got perfect for him. Everybody can hit

1148
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 5: a bullseye at you know, three hundred yards with their

1149
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Speaker 5: with their weak hand and their eyes closed, like all right,

1150
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Speaker 5: fair enough, whatever point is. Barcreek Arsenal makes amazing rifles pistols.

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Speaker 5: Go check out what they have on the website. And

1152
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Speaker 5: I think this is really important too, because it is

1153
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Speaker 5: not true about all the firearms companies out there. And

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Speaker 5: I don't want to name names. Maybe maybe one day

1155
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Speaker 5: I'll have to, But some of them they want to

1156
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Speaker 5: sell guns, but they don't want to talk about it, right.

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Speaker 5: They don't want to be too prominent there, oh, because

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Speaker 5: they don't want you know what, especially under Democrat administration,

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Speaker 5: they're scared of what the Democrats may think Bear Creek

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Speaker 5: Arsenal loves what they do. Want to put the best

1161
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Speaker 5: farms in your hands at the lowest possible prices, and

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Speaker 5: they stand with the Second Amendment. They believe in the

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Speaker 5: gun rights community. They believe in your Second Amendment. So

1164
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Speaker 5: stand with Bear Creek Arsenal. Get yourself a great pistol

1165
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Speaker 5: rifle from them, and you'll experience your new favorite handgunner rifle.

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Speaker 5: Go to Bearcreekarsenal dot com. That's Bear Creekarsenal dot.

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Speaker 1: Com looking forward to the holidays but trading on Tethel's

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Speaker 1: political teckings. You need Turkey Talk a limited edition episode

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