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Speaker 1: Welcome the season two of The Good Stuff.

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Speaker 2: I'm Ashley Shick, and I'm joined by my husband and

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Speaker 2: co host, Jacob Shick, a third generation combat marine and

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Speaker 2: CEO of One Tribe Foundation.

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Speaker 3: Ashley also comes from a family rich in military history,

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Speaker 3: and we've dedicated our lives to One Tribes, mission serving veterans,

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Speaker 3: first responders, and their families. We're coming to you from Dallas,

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Speaker 3: so welcome.

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Speaker 2: To Texas and joining us all season long from Los Angeles,

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Speaker 2: California is our West Coast long haired friend and producer

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Speaker 2: of the Good Stuff, Nick Cassolini.

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Speaker 4: Here we go, baby. This is the second and final

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Speaker 4: chapter in our two part series about Carry the Load,

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Speaker 4: the epic Memorial Day event in Dallas, and the people

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Speaker 4: who make it what it is. Jake had a little

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Speaker 4: message for you last episode, and I think it's worth

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Speaker 4: replaying it now.

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Speaker 3: The care of the Load evolution happens every May or

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Speaker 3: Memorial May, as we call it. So this episode's probably

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Speaker 3: gonna drop who knows when, but probably nowhere near Memorial May.

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Speaker 3: And we don't care that it's oh well, it's not May.

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Speaker 3: We don't give we honor and remember the legacies of

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Speaker 3: these men and women and their families every single day.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't take a day that that our government designates

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Speaker 3: Okay today you need to honor and remember, no, we

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Speaker 3: don't give two dams. It is what it is, and

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Speaker 3: it still means so much to us. Whether it drops

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Speaker 3: absolute same meaning to us. We would encourage all of

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Speaker 3: our listeners that listen to this in a time that

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Speaker 3: is not memorial may to just take it at face

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Speaker 3: value and listen to it and then internalize it because

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Speaker 3: I promise you it'll make an impact if you really

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Speaker 3: really dig into it. Don't let that get in the

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Speaker 3: way of your intellectual ability.

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Speaker 4: Please, for our beautiful listeners out there, this is just

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Speaker 4: a quick heads up. This show can explore some heavy

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Speaker 4: subject matter, including talks of suicide, so listener discretion is advised.

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Speaker 1: We couldn't be happier here.

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Speaker 3: Again, Welcome to the good stuff.

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Speaker 4: Every year. Tragically, I know that not only do you

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Speaker 4: lose friends, family loved ones who have served to suicide,

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Speaker 4: but there's also a growing number of veterans who are

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Speaker 4: passing away from war related cancer. Would you talk a

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Speaker 4: little bit about some of those losses.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, those are.

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Speaker 3: I mean, those are blessings and curses at the same time,

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Speaker 3: because you get all these extra years and this time

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Speaker 3: with this individual, but then the curse being in it

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Speaker 3: selfish in nature because you don't want it to end,

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Speaker 3: you know, but that's your time.

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Speaker 4: You don't want your time with them to.

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Speaker 3: Right, you know. And I think that anyone who's lost

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Speaker 3: I mean selfishly, you don't want them to go. You

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Speaker 3: world a better place. But in the same vein you

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Speaker 3: And so it's a double edged sword, and it's hard.

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Speaker 3: It's really hard to watch somebody go through that like

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Speaker 3: I don't think there's anything more emotionally we're spiritually taxing

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Speaker 6: So my name is Gabriella Carnal and I am at

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Speaker 6: Carrie Loade to hear to Carrie for my husband who

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Speaker 6: passed away a little over a year ago after the

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Speaker 6: battles stage four cancer. His name was Michael Carnal, sergeant

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Speaker 4: Ashley Mikey is Michael Carnell. Will you say a little

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Michael Carnell one of Jake's closest and dear's friends

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Speaker 2: who we actually had on Season one of the Good Stuff.

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Speaker 2: He was so brave and bold to come on and

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Speaker 1: But he about three years before he passed.

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Speaker 2: He was diagnosed with stage four cancer from as a

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Speaker 2: direct result of his service in Iraq and the burn pits.

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Speaker 2: And he fought like hell. You know, doctors gave him

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Speaker 1: Fought like hell.

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Speaker 2: He's a beautiful wife, Gabby and three precious children who

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Speaker 6: I'm also getting over a really bad side of affection

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Speaker 6: all have my water with my Flamingos. You're a Flamingo family.

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Speaker 2: Gabby Carnell is pure sunshine and she is an amazing

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Michael actually made a Flamingo ig page. He made

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Speaker 6: a Flamingo ig page, just like a fanboy account. I mean, like,

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Speaker 4: You can say what, you can say whatever you want.

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Speaker 6: Okay, I mean he's cancer patient. So yeah, he would

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Speaker 6: Of course obviously not until at night because he wanted

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Speaker 6: Like he I don't know if he named the Flamingos,

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Speaker 4: Are you able to speak a little bit more about

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Speaker 4: continued impact that it has on veterans.

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Speaker 3: In Layman's terms, the burn pits are, for lack of

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Speaker 3: And it's in Layman's terms, that's exactly what they are.

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Speaker 3: And they've been connected thanks to essentially a documentary done

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Speaker 2: Like Agent Orange and Vietnam, those that were exposed to

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Speaker 2: it's you know, the after effects. But like Jake said,

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Speaker 2: thank goodness for John Stewart advocating and pushing so hard

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Speaker 2: for the men and women who were exposed to this.

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Speaker 4: He a silly stoner at other points in his life

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Speaker 4: or is that a kind of.

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Speaker 5: Easy for him?

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Speaker 6: No, I would say that would be him for the

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Speaker 6: And I hated. I didn't say I don't hate the smell,

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Speaker 6: But I'd be like, are you Dunnie, you know, because

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Speaker 6: to the left, another marine, Michael, whatever you need.

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Speaker 7: You'll be your head.

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Speaker 8: Please your father. This Memorial Day weekend pass.

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Speaker 6: Rose who gave.

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Speaker 7: Their lives apartment.

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Speaker 2: We lost him February second, twenty twenty four. Jake was

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Speaker 2: you know, until he took his last breath. And the

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Speaker 2: Irish we have a saying because we actually had the

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Speaker 2: very distinct honor and pleasure of traveling to Ireland with

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Speaker 2: But the Irish say it's never goodbye.

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Speaker 1: It's until we meet again. And I truly feel that

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Speaker 1: about Mikey. I hope you enjoy the rest of our show.

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Speaker 6: We're gonna be playing some marches, We're playing some service songs.

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Speaker 6: All, So I hope you enjoy it.

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Speaker 4: We need to pause for a break. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 4: Thanks so much for sticking around here. I am on

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Speaker 4: the trail with Gabby.

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Speaker 6: So we're big hockey fans. But when the Stars and

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Speaker 6: the Bruins play together, yeah, big time host dividing all

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Speaker 4: I was like, thank you, okay. Was it a rotating

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Speaker 4: That's beautiful.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but we haven't been like it's because it's that's

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Speaker 6: Like we just have like the background noise. Yeah, And

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Speaker 4: and Memorial Day. As we've established, these episodes have consisted

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm looking forward to connecting with people. I'm looking

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Speaker 7: I want to encourage everyone. If you don't follow us

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Speaker 7: on social media, please do. This will be a very

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Speaker 7: fluid situation over later on this evening and into tomorrow,

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Speaker 7: So just be safe, stay connected, and uh, we're going

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Speaker 7: to play this thing by year as the weather dictates.

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Speaker 4: As we heard in part one of this series, Jake

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Speaker 4: had to stay home from Carry the Load for the

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Speaker 4: first time in fourteen years because of ongoing health issues

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Speaker 4: from the injuries he sustained as a combat marine in Iraq.

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Speaker 4: That meant Muriel and Night would be going without Jake

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Speaker 4: and Ashley, which felt like a huge blow because their

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Speaker 4: loved ones and knowing Jake wasn't well was obviously very concerning.

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Speaker 4: Lucky for Muriel and I, we have developed friendships with

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Speaker 4: the people of One Tribe Foundation, Jake and Ashley's nonprofit,

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Speaker 4: who would be there in full force. This meant we

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Speaker 4: could still get to learn from people who not only

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Speaker 4: participate in the spiritual and emotional aspect of Memorial Day,

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Speaker 4: but people who work on the organizational side of things,

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Speaker 4: helping the event be what it is and working tirelessly

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Speaker 4: to fundraise. As you've heard, I spent Sunday talking and

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Speaker 4: connecting to veterans like don Nuin, parents of the fallen

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Speaker 4: like the Burgesses, and spouses of the fawn like Gabby Carnell.

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Speaker 4: In real time, all of us at Carry the Load

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Speaker 4: together we all learned that the weather might cut the

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Speaker 4: whole thing short, which felt like another devastating blow, And indeed,

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Speaker 4: as Sunday evening turned into night. Carry the Load was

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Speaker 4: in fact canceled, no midnight march and no closing ceremonies

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Speaker 4: on Monday, which was Memorial Day proper. Everyone was very

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Speaker 4: sad and disappointed by this, so we just hugged our

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Speaker 4: friends goodnight, and Miry and I ran into our hotel

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Speaker 4: room before the rain wrecked the recording equipment. After things

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Speaker 4: dried out, though, I did sit down with Justin Jones

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Speaker 4: of One Tribe Foundation to check in see how he

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Speaker 4: was doing and try to process the whole thing.

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Speaker 8: My name is Justin Jones. I am the event coordinator,

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Speaker 8: community outreach director. Probably a few other titles I forget.

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Speaker 8: So when I came on board with the Tribe, it

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Speaker 8: basically was an honor because that's the largest fundraiser that

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Speaker 8: One Tribe does, is carry the Load. And the second

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Speaker 8: day of my new career, my director looked at me

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Speaker 8: and he said, I want you to take carry the

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Speaker 8: load and you're going to be captain, and so I

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Speaker 8: took it and ran with it.

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Speaker 3: Hota Hota hate Hote as we call him. He puts

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Speaker 3: a lot of pressure on himself to make sure everything

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Speaker 3: is squared away, I mean from the air conditioned bathrooms

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Speaker 3: to the food, to the drinks, to everybody's comfortability when

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Speaker 3: they experience carry the load, in particular at one tribe's

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Speaker 3: base camp. And he really immerses himself fully in the

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Speaker 3: evolution of CTL. And if it were to get rained

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Speaker 3: out due to severe weather, if it was just rain,

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Speaker 3: carry the load, won't call it. But if it's severe weather,

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Speaker 3: I mean we're talking lightning, thunder hell, I mean, which

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Speaker 3: they haven't done before. Probably should have one year in

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Speaker 3: particularly I'm thinking of, but then't. But now it's so

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Speaker 3: much bigger, and you know, the fire marshals are involved,

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Speaker 3: and it's a major, major safety thing now. But he

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Speaker 3: loves this thing so hard. So if it were to

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Speaker 3: get canceled or shut down, I mean, it devastated JJ.

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Speaker 2: You know the scene in Forrest Gump where there's the

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Speaker 2: boat and Lieutenant Dan and the storm's rolling in and

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Speaker 2: he's out there, and.

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Speaker 1: That's going to be JJ.

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Speaker 2: It carry the load of like a gnarly storm comes

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Speaker 2: because like he is in it for the long run.

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Speaker 2: Am I rider in Marillo?

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Speaker 4: Is that all you got?

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Speaker 3: The rain?

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Speaker 8: It happens every year, whether because the trail is three

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Speaker 8: and a half miles long, so the rain it may

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Speaker 8: rain down on from two and a half to the

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Speaker 8: to the three and a half. It may just rain

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Speaker 8: down there, or at the other end, it may rain

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Speaker 8: at the you know, the mile or quarter mile. But

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Speaker 8: because of the trail so long, it's unique that it

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Speaker 8: rains every year, and you know, it's just a matter

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Speaker 8: of is it going to hit the park or is

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Speaker 8: it gonna hit the trail or all of it or

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Speaker 8: and then you just roll with it.

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Speaker 4: So but this year it sounds like, because of all

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Speaker 4: of the warriors over thunder and lightning, that it was

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Speaker 4: really going to storm. They canceled the event, They canceled

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Speaker 4: the midnight march and the and the actual Monday festivities.

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Speaker 8: They they the the message that I received when they

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Speaker 8: when they sent it out to the teams was the

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Speaker 8: National Weather Service or the Dallas area had reported like

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Speaker 8: golf wall size hail and severe lightning. And I think that's, uh,

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Speaker 8: that's kind of what they had to look at and

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Speaker 8: the safety of everybody and try to get him out

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Speaker 8: before it actually hit the Dallas area to so everybody

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Speaker 8: could safely get home.

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Speaker 4: So so understandably, that's a can be considered like a

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Speaker 4: reasonable response to potentially dangerous weather. But even with that

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Speaker 4: in mind, like, how did that hit you emotionally to

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Speaker 4: know that carry the load was going to be cut

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Speaker 4: short this year?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it was definitely a gut check that. Uh it

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Speaker 8: was like, nope, that's a wrap, that's it shut down

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Speaker 8: the shop. So it was it was tough this year.

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Speaker 4: What would you like people to know about the way

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Speaker 4: you celebrate Memorial Day? I don't even know if celebrates

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Speaker 4: the right word.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, definitely, it's not a celebration. It's interesting because I've

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Speaker 8: had this conversation with a veteran that I didn't even

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Speaker 8: know this happened, but she told me that. So many

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Speaker 8: people when they see she's a vet, tells her, you know,

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Speaker 8: happy Memorial Day, and there's nothing happy about it. It's

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Speaker 8: hard to put into words, I because I've always heard

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Speaker 8: you either you have that passion or you don't. So

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Speaker 8: it's hard to like give your passion to somebody.

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Speaker 4: Well, one thing for sure is the passion that you

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Speaker 4: bring specifically you, but the tribe in general and the

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Speaker 4: people you guys have around you in general does wear

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Speaker 4: off on others.

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Speaker 3: That wore off on me.

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Speaker 4: It has worn off on me.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think I could easily, easily not I

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Speaker 5: could be I should be put in the camp of

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Speaker 5: people that you know, Memorial Day is a barbecue you know, and.

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Speaker 4: Can take does take has taken this holiday for granted

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Speaker 4: and not done the work that this day asks of us,

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Speaker 4: and that has changed dramatically because of you and yours.

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Speaker 4: So you know, sure you have the passion or you don't,

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Speaker 4: but you can get it from all different places, you know,

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Speaker 4: and the very best place to get it from my

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Speaker 4: personal experience would be from those who are passionate. So

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Speaker 4: thank you for that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, it's yeah. I ask a guy, uh,

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Speaker 8: It's it's funny you say that. He's a mentor of

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Speaker 8: mine and of Jacob is actually, but I asked him

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Speaker 8: one time when I was working before I started with

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Speaker 8: the tribe, I said, how do we get more people

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Speaker 8: fired up about? And he said, it's it's all about emotion,

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Speaker 8: he said, until they're affected by it, or until they

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Speaker 8: feel it, he goes, and you you can't give that

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Speaker 8: to him, he goes, They just have to feel it.

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Speaker 8: And so now I've started seeing that because a lot

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Speaker 8: of people will tell me that they're like, well, I

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Speaker 8: feel it from you. And so if that's the case,

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Speaker 8: then I'm happy to, you know, to share that with people.

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Speaker 4: Looking back, I think I was preparing myself for an

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Speaker 4: AHA moment, a crystallized picture, perfect understanding of the quote

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Speaker 4: unquote real way to honor the fallen. But that's not

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Speaker 4: how evolutions work, and that's not how life works. That's

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Speaker 4: not how death works. Sometimes storms do what they do

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Speaker 4: and you have to run for cover. Life is a mess,

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Speaker 4: and sometimes there is no closing ceremony. I know that

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Speaker 4: I felt real love with the people I talked to,

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Speaker 4: both on Mike and off. I know I felt real

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Speaker 4: love for those they've lost, and I know I'm beyond

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Speaker 4: thankful that this love is where my evolution begins.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for listening The Good Stuff.

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Speaker 4: Thank you to Donnwin, the Burgesses, Gabby Carnell, and Justin

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Speaker 4: Jones for being on the show. And thank you to

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Speaker 4: One Tribe Foundation for taking such good care of Meriel

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