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Speaker 1: how stress and how this type of situation affects each

427
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: individual defendant. Surely the project he is going to try

428
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: to make the point that these were are considered crocodiles

429
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: here to indicate some form of guilt. However, you may

430
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: have to get in some experts or anything, or other

431
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: type of witnesses to show how he reacts under stress

432
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: and strain and try to explain it that way. I

433
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: do will admit that the judges look bad. Some of

434
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: the statements that he made in his characterizations and how

435
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: he looked on camera is something that the jury is

436
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: going to take into consideration. But his defense attorney is

437
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: going to have to attack each one of those and

438
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: try to convince the jury of his clients. And Kenya Johnson,

439
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: we'd have a field day with this guy trying to

440
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: cry in front of the jury. Nothing comes out, and

441
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 1: then of one of my favorite things to do, Kenyan,

442
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: and I'd like for you to try this sometimes it

443
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 1: can't already done it. He never look at the finding

444
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,719
Speaker 1: in front of the jury, never even look at them,

445
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,719
Speaker 1: but then walk over behind them while they're sitting at

446
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: their seat. There's nothing they can do. They can't jump

447
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: up and hit you, or if they could, then you

448
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: definitely get a guilty conviction. But you go stand behind

449
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: them and like point down at them, especially if they're

450
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: trying to do the fake crying thing and you're stand

451
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: right behind them. What can they do. They can't really

452
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: turn around, they can't act, man. They have to sit

453
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: there and let you point at them and be right

454
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 1: behind them, but not touch them as they fake cry,

455
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: And just point out, does anybody in this courtroom see

456
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: a tear? Because I don't. What's all the shaking and

457
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: the heaving and the lip quivering, what's that? I just

458
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: love it when somebody fake cries in courts. It's awesome. Well, Nancy,

459
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: I would love to get him on cross examination. It

460
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 1: would be so dramatic and from but I'll tell you

461
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: your courtroom dramatics are legendary in the Fulton County Courthouse,

462
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: and I think you might be one of the few

463
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: that can get away with some of that activity at trial.

464
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: I don't know what you mean by activity, Kenya, but

465
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: you know what to Dr Michelle Duprey, I really think

466
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: that the fact that he calls one, he finds the body,

467
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: there's not any water around it. She died a blunt

468
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: trauma to the head and uh strangulation be at manual

469
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: or ligature, and he's crying but no tears are coming out.

470
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean to me, that seals the case.

471
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: What can you do? How can you show that trauma

472
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: to the head was from a blow and not a fall. So, Nancy,

473
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: we would look at the actual wound itself, the type

474
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: of fracture. There is the way the bone fractures. With

475
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: someone striking a bone, there's a depressed fracture that causes

476
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: a totally different appearance in the bone. When someone hits

477
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: her head again, it's a different type of fracture. So

478
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: we look at the injuries. The patterns mean everything. Well,

479
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: now we're beginning to focus on not just the injuries

480
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: and the cause and manner of death, but the husband's

481
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: double life questions surrounded their relationship. Have you ever had

482
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: any reason there, their marriage was on the rocks, or

483
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: was having trouble. Honestly, in my mind, I believe there

484
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: was something wrong to friends and family. Shanti Cooper Toronts

485
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: and her husband David appeared to have a kind of

486
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: distance between them. Never seen them affectionate. I've never seen

487
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: them touching. Shaunty was viewed as the breadwinner. I just

488
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: felt like he needed her or che needed him. She

489
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: had a successful consulting business. I didn't think that Dave

490
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: worked the husband Deshaunty's late mother told police there was

491
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: a sign in November of that David was focused on money.

492
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: The day Shaunty's mom had a heart attack. The first

493
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: words that I recall that Shanty asked me what Dave

494
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: by her side was about mom's life. What to Robert

495
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: Olenski Crime online dot Com investigative reporter tell me about

496
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: the double life and Eric Johnson? You know what? I

497
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: want you to stew on this. I'm sure you'll say it.

498
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: Prais nothing as a defense lawyer, but I bet a

499
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: jury is not going to agree with you. Hit at Robin.

500
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: So the detective start looking at this guy and who

501
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: his associates are and where he goes every day and

502
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: his credit card bills, et cetera. And it turns out

503
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: that he's member in Orlando to a gay gym and spa,

504
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: and that he goes to the gym he worked out,

505
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: and they started interviewing, you know, the people who work

506
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: at the gym, who kind of know your habits the gym.

507
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: I go to the people know what I do there,

508
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,479
Speaker 1: and apparently, um what are the workers say that they

509
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: had witnessed him having sexual contact with men at least twice.

510
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: That one of the workers thought so clearly his you know,

511
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: he has a whole other thing going on, and maybe

512
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: that's why he wasn't touching his wife because he was

513
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: with men. Okay, you know what, let me pick on

514
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: Eric Johnson, Atlanta defense attorney. From moment. You know what,

515
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: I can't decide which one I hate the most. A

516
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: guy who's hooking up with other people and I don't

517
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: care if it's with a man or a woman outside

518
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: my relationship, my marriage with that person, and they're hooking

519
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: up with somebody at a gym with a gym r

520
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: of all people. But I'm kind of more angry about

521
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: him not buying the groceries. I guess you're Jackie Howard

522
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: in the studio with me. I guess your priorities changed

523
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: every time. I guess at one time it would have

524
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: been more angry that he was cheating, But at this

525
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: point I'm mad he's not buy the groceries. You know.

526
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: So ladies agree or disagree, But Eric, how can you

527
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: with a straight face say that has nothing to do

528
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: with this. Well, the reality of the situation is one

529
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: of the call um. You guess earlier stated that he

530
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: was this gentleman was a golder. Okay, that might be true,

531
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: So that would mean that he wants to he wants

532
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: to live and exhorbit in a lavish lifestyle. So therefore

533
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: they stake to say that he probably wouldn't kill her

534
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: because he wanted to continue this lifestyle. He would be

535
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: doing everything possible to do it. Now as it goes

536
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: to his alternative lifestyle, it's pure speculation to state that

537
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,239
Speaker 1: she may not have known about it. Some couples are

538
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: into things like that. We don't know. We can only

539
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: speculate at this time because she's not here to speak

540
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: for herselves. What what Eric, Eric, Some couples into things

541
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,479
Speaker 1: like one well as um as far as swapping as

542
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: far as swapping and other type of alternative life, that's

543
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: certainly putting perfume on the pig, you know. To Kenya Johnson,

544
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: Atlanta Prosecutor Kenya if they were quote okay with it

545
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: as uh? Eric Johnson is suggesting, how come she wasn't

546
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: having a un affair just him? Why is it always

547
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: the man who always says we had an open marriage

548
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: and the wife is like, what I agree, and I'll

549
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: the sham of him not paying That would have been

550
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: really short lived because that's what I paid for a

551
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: few times. I would begin to get very suspicious and

552
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: then want to actually see some bake statements at some investments. UM.

553
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: So at some point, you know, you just really have

554
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: to be cautious when dating online and uh and following

555
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: up because they can become new people with every new relationship. Well,

556
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: listen to this guy. Appearances for State and in UM

557
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: defense in case number eighteen c F one two four

558
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: or seven to Ryan vest Assistant State Attorney, State of Florida,

559
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: Robert mandel On behalf of David Tranas, Mr mandel Mr Vestio,

560
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: are you Mr troonas Mr Tronas you're here pursuing too

561
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: a kpist or probable cause order for first degree murder? Um,

562
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: how are we perceiving a requesting that he remains that

563
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: at no vand we are judged and Mr Mandel in

564
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: your position on all that, your honor, at this time,

565
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: we're not requesting them bond, Okay, So you're going to

566
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,439
Speaker 1: keep him. You're submitting to the proof evident presumption. Great

567
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: as far as per second ASC. So I'm going to

568
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: ask that you I'm going to order that you have

569
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: no contact with the bidam's family in this case. I'm

570
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: also ordering that you not possess any weapons. If you

571
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: do a new weapons, if you do get a bond

572
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: down the line um, they must be surrendered to the

573
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: police department within six hours of your release. And that

574
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: does include ammunition anything else. Counsels, the only other thing

575
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: that we would ask is that if there's subsequent bond proceedings,

576
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: Downtown will deal with it at that time. I would

577
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: just ask that the court's order include forfeiture of a passport.

578
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: We reasonably that Mr tronas had does have a validly

579
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: issue United States Cuswork Counsel for Defense Bunch your position,

580
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: you're not believe that could be taken up at the

581
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: time we bring the bond motion, if we even bring

582
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: a bond motion, I agree. I'll go ahead and let

583
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: the trial division got Division twenty at the issues of

584
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: forfeiture and stop anything else. Gentlemen from the room. Thank

585
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: you to Robin will Let's Key Crime online dot Com

586
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: investigative reporter, Robin. I still say the fake crying and

587
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: finding the body and the bath to both dry just

588
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: minutes after the nine one one call, I think that's

589
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: what lead to his arrest. I really do. Yeah, I

590
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: agree with you. I think the investigator who's saying to him,

591
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: you know, really calling him on the carpet in that

592
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: interview and saying, you know, your story is b s.

593
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: This is complete hogwash. You know, strangulation, it's science. This

594
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 1: is not a guessing game, you know. And she goes

595
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: on and she's like, it's the s it's crap, it's crap.

596
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: And then he's sitting there and he's like the little

597
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: boy you know when your kids get out of the pool, Nancy,

598
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: and they huddle themselves in a towel or a black

599
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: get to dry off, and he's sitting there, you know,

600
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 1: boo hoo hoo, and it's all fake. He again, He's

601
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: like an actor on a soap opera and he's just

602
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: totally faking it. He has no answers for this interrogator

603
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: of the investigator. He's got nothing. He's got nothing. What

604
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: do you do with that? Justice, Scott Morgan, you're the

605
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 1: death investigator because Trends told investigators he found Shanty dead

606
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: in a half full bathtub, and then he's speculated and

607
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: hypothesized that she must have fallen while getting into the tub.

608
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: But cops say she was totally dry and the bathtub

609
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 1: was totally dry when they arrived just minutes later. Whoop,

610
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: see forgot to sprinkle water. Yeah, as far as the

611
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: suspect goes, I don't say anything. I just let them

612
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: talk and talk and talk and talk. It's amazing to

613
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: me that these people cannot shut their mouth when they're

614
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: talking to the police. They think that they're going to

615
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: outsmart investigators every single time downrange. Well, long story short,

616
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: when they asked him how did everything dry out? He

617
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: asked investigators, how did everything dry out? Wow? How did

618
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: that happen? And why was he huddling himself in a towel?

619
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: I mean, Karen's dark psychologist, that's really over the top

620
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: for him to be huddling himself in a towel and

621
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 1: he's bone dry, but he doesn't think about the fact

622
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: that nothing that there isn't a single thing he's saying

623
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: that makes sense, Nancy. He's just acting, and that it

624
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: was said before. It's very poor acting. He's acting as

625
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: though he's crying, but there are no tears that are

626
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 1: actually coming out of his eyes. He's acting, Dune, very innocent,

627
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 1: like wow, how do you think that happened? That there

628
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: isn't any water there? Instead of allowing them to ask

629
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: him that question. So he's turning everything around. He has

630
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: a towel wrapped around him, a poor man. He's trying

631
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: to look like he's in trouble, but why does he

632
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: have a towel when he's dry? So none of it

633
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: makes sense. The acting isn't working. I give all the

634
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 1: right it too, Dteger Teresa Sprague, and I want you

635
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: to hear her. She is awesome. Listen. It's complete hartwash

636
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: and we haven't even got medical exam findings from strangulation

637
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: and all the things that go along with that. It's science,

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Speaker 1: it's not guessing. It's medical science. I know you wish

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Speaker 1: that you could rewind today. Believe me, I've had those days,

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Speaker 1: probably not to this degree, but I've had those days.

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Speaker 1: But you can't. You have to move forward, and the

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Speaker 1: best course of action for you is to tell the

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Speaker 1: truth what happened. We await as justice end folds. Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace Crime Stories, sign nough, Goodbye friend,