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Speaker 1: From Mediators World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This is

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Speaker 1: Kel's we can review with Ryan Kel Kelly and now

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Speaker 1: Here's Kel. Perry david Bys was arrested and charged with

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Speaker 1: possession of stolen property in the first degree. According to

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Speaker 1: the Idaho Statesman, for those of you who are unaware,

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Speaker 1: possession of stolen property in the first degree is a

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Speaker 1: Class B felony, which is fitting because what Perry david

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Speaker 1: Bys was in possession of was roughly two thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: in bees and bee hives. A sting operation led up

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Speaker 1: to his arrest. Bees are incredibly important to well life

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Speaker 1: on Earth. They pollinate all things growing, including our non

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Speaker 1: meat foods, and including the food our meat food eats

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Speaker 1: be They are also big business. According to the two

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Speaker 1: thousand nineteen Honey Report, a queen bee would set you

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Speaker 1: back about eighteen dollars. Package of newbies about a hundred

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Speaker 1: and twenty five to a hundred and fifty and a

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Speaker 1: thirty frame hive around a hundred and seventy bucks. The

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Speaker 1: average market price for honey in two thousand nineteen was

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Speaker 1: a dollar ninety seven per pound. The average hive produced

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Speaker 1: fifty five point eight pounds of honey, meaning the average

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Speaker 1: hive produced almost a hundred and ten dollars gross. Now

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Speaker 1: that may sound like a losing proposition, but I'm told

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Speaker 1: the honey business really sticks to you. Here's where the

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Speaker 1: golden opportunity lies. The US consumed six hundred nine million

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Speaker 1: pounds of honey in two thousand nineteen while only producing

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Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty seven million pounds domestically, meaning we

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Speaker 1: imported four hundred and fifty two million pounds of honey

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Speaker 1: in two thousand nineteen, which when you think about the

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Speaker 1: fact that the honey producing be we reaped the rewards

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Speaker 1: from isn't actually native to the US. That's right. The

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Speaker 1: honeybee didn't make it to North America until six two.

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Speaker 1: But you know they do a really good job, so

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Speaker 1: will ignore that little tidbit. Honey Bees are in constant

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Speaker 1: threat from pesticides and herbicides. Pathogens are routinely found in

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Speaker 1: both honey and bees wax. Occasionally, hives will completely collapse,

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Speaker 1: as they did in two thousand and six and seven

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Speaker 1: with what is now called c c D colony collapse disorder,

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Speaker 1: something that we still don't fully understand. But the USDA

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Speaker 1: presence of pathogens and the combination of natural b viruses

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Speaker 1: brought on by mites, you know, tiny ones. On top

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Speaker 1: of this threat, we have the much popularized threat of

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Speaker 1: hornets a k a. Murder hornets in the US. Despite

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Speaker 1: all of this, over a hundred crops in the US

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Speaker 1: are commercially pollinated by bees. May also interest you to

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Speaker 1: know that one tablespoon of honey provides one and ninety

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Speaker 1: kilo jewels of food energy. If you've been paying attention

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Speaker 1: to President Trump, he's very interested in American energy dominance.

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Speaker 1: So you know, followed the buzz and get into the

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Speaker 1: honey business. One more fun fact for you the phrase

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Speaker 1: to time. That got started by people who thought it

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Speaker 1: more fun to say than you know, mind your own business.

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Speaker 1: There are many theories out there about mind your own

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Speaker 1: bees wax, some of them having to do with the

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Speaker 1: ladies rubbing wax on their pock marks skin or people

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Speaker 1: no reason to believe those stories at all, and the

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Speaker 1: most likely version is. People just thought it was something

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Speaker 1: fun to say. This week, we've got a helicopter story.

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Speaker 1: But first I'm gonna tell you about my week. I

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Speaker 1: have no idea what my friend Steven Ronella tells his

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Speaker 1: kids about me, but occasionally they get very excited about

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Speaker 1: dropping off recently procured food items at my house, which

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Speaker 1: likely means their old man. They're old old father. Steve

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Speaker 1: is telling the kids. I'm not good at finding food

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Speaker 1: on my own. Most recently, I was the recipient of

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Speaker 1: from a listener confessing the fact that he, when he

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Speaker 1: Not that I of any rights or powers to do so,

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Speaker 1: So keep it up, ranwa kids, I am also preparing

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Speaker 1: to brave the covid world we live in. Get back

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Speaker 1: on a plane and procure for my own some fish.

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Speaker 1: In the state of Florida. I'm on the hunt for

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Speaker 1: The species, through its natural behavior, has an almost self

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited to go check it out. On top

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Speaker 1: they bring a fly rod, a spinning rod, and a

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the wilderness where mechanized tools are not legal.

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Speaker 1: good news for you, folks, steel makes some high quality

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Speaker 1: to the seldom visited backcountry aviation Desk, I've been teasing

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Speaker 1: all right. Title thirty six of the Code of Federal

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Speaker 1: Regulation to sixty one point one eight states the fallowing

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Speaker 1: On May six, Sam and Sarah Schwerin of Bozeman, Montana,

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Speaker 1: Sam and Sarah were approached by two men, John Morris

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