1 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: All right, it's time to go ahead and tell you 2 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: about it. I've been teasing it for weeks now. Now 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: let me explain, first of all, how this new little 4 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: red book of mine came to be. You remember that 5 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: I wrote with my buddy Nick Rizuto. We wrote the 6 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: Anti Communist Manifesto. I'm not an author. I don't intend 7 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: to write any more books. I've told you that before. 8 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: It was a subject that was passionate about what are 9 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: we facing today? How do we combat it? What are 10 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: the action items? What do we do? Not just complaining 11 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: what do we do? I wanted all that in one book. 12 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 1: We wrote the book national bestseller. 13 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 2: We couldn't believe it. 14 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: People actually liked it. 15 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 2: You liked it. I liked that. 16 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: I didn't want to write another book. I wanted to 17 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: write another chapter for the Anti Communist Manifesto. That's really 18 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: all this, How all this came to be. I wanted 19 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: to write another chapter. Me Nick. We sat down and 20 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: we just started writing stuff out. And I guess this 21 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: probably happens to people. It kept growing and growing and growing, 22 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: and soon it was more than a chapter. There'd be 23 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: a new story, or I'd have a new thought or 24 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: something like that, and so eventually we ended up with 25 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: what was obviously going to be a little minibook, a booklet, 26 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: if you will, and we thought, well, let's just make 27 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: it a booklet. And I didn't want to sell it. 28 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: I'm not selling you anything. It's not a gimmick. I'm 29 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: not pulling some fast one on you. We just thought 30 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: it would be good for everyone to know what we're 31 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: up against, why we're up against it. So we came 32 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: up with my Little Red Book. Mao z Dung had 33 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: his Little Red Book. We'll talk to Steven Moser about 34 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: that in a few minutes. That Mao's Little read Book 35 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: was used to rally the communist masses in China, to 36 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: purge good people and some bad people. Of course, that's 37 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: obviously not my intention for our little Red Book. I 38 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 1: wanted something easily consumable that I could just give to people. 39 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: That's what we wanted. Go to Jesse Kelly dot com, 40 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: put in your email address, and we're gonna send it 41 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: to you. I'm not going to ask for your credit 42 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: card info. I'm not trying to. I don't even want 43 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: your money. Not trying to sell you a thing. We've 44 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 1: just sent it to you. So many people are already 45 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: emailing the show because they had previously gone to Jesse 46 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: Kelly dot com and put in the email address, and 47 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: they all woke up this morning and there was right 48 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: there in their email. That's it. It's just we wanted 49 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: you to have it. We have to understand what we're 50 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: up against, not just in this country but worldwide, and 51 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: we can't discount the Chinese aspect to what we're up 52 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: against and how much they have influence in our country 53 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 1: over frankly, both political parties, but they own the Democrat Party. 54 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 2: Now. Remember remember how. 55 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: Often Joe Biden talked about how he and g were besties. 56 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 3: The fact is that I have met with Shijianping more 57 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 3: than any other world leader has. I've been over sixty 58 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 3: eight hours of private meetings he and I with simultaneous interpreters. 59 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 3: I've spent a lot of time with Shixiangping when I 60 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 3: was Vice president and subsequent to that. And he once 61 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 3: asked me, i's to bet and Plateau. Could I define 62 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 3: America for him? And I mean it sincerely, not a joke. 63 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 3: I said yes, one word possibilities. I've allegedly met more 64 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 3: face to face with Shijingping than any world leader has. 65 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 3: America is a nation that can be defined in a 66 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 3: single word. I was the foot, him the foot, excuse me, 67 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 3: the foothills of the Himalays with Shijingping. 68 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: They're here. 69 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 2: They're here. 70 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: They're highly invested in this country. They're invested in our 71 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: university system. Communism is not just spread to Americans by 72 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: other Americans. It's not just spread by your daughter's liberal 73 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: college professor. It's not just spread on TikTok and Instagram. 74 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 1: Communism is here, and China wants it here. China does 75 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: everything it can to ensure we are kind to the 76 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: most demonic religion in the history of mankind, communism. The 77 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: Federal Bureau of Investigation did everything it could to ignore 78 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: China's efforts to manipulate the election and instead told you 79 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:42,239 Speaker 1: it was Russia. 80 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 4: The intelligence communities consensus is that Russia continues to try 81 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 4: to influence our elections, primarily through what we would call 82 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 4: malign foreign influence. But we certainly have seen very active, 83 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 4: very active efforts by the Russians to influence our election 84 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty through what I would call more than 85 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 4: malign foreign influence. Side of things, social media, use of proxies, 86 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 4: state media, online journals, etc. An effort to both sew 87 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:21,679 Speaker 4: divisiveness and discord. And I think the intelligence community has 88 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 4: assessed this publicly to primarily to denigrate Vice President. 89 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: By But that was all I because even the FBI 90 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: is in on it. So what are we dealing with here? 91 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: How about Democrats? How about the useless Republicans? I even 92 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: have ideas on life and food and goofy stuff in there. 93 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: I just wanted it all condensed and a little book 94 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: that I wanted to send out for free. So Jesse 95 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,799 Speaker 1: Kelly dot com, go put in your email address and enjoy. 96 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 1: Steven Moser is an expert on China, and we'll talk 97 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: to him next. Have you been snacking on be honest, 98 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: be honest about it. Look I was. Look it was 99 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 1: cold yesterday here in Houston. Nobody was out and about 100 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: everyone was closing businesses. You know what I did. 101 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 2: I snacked. 102 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: Oh, I snacked, but I had massive chips. Not only 103 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: were they delicious, little hot sauce on my massa chips. 104 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: I can eat them guilt free. I don't even have 105 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: to risk it in the side eye from the wife 106 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: because it's just natural stuff, no seed oil filled, none 107 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: of that, just beef tallow salt corn, the crunch They 108 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: are the crunchiest. They're the best thing in the world. 109 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: Try some mass of chips. They even have dessert chips 110 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: like Churo, but I like the lime ones a lot, 111 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: big fan of line they have Habit narrow that just 112 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 1: regular chips, massa Chips dot com slash Jesse TV. 113 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 2: We'll be back. 114 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: Now China. What happened there? How do we get to 115 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: a place where now our number one gild political foe 116 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: was building a lot of ships, doing a lot of 117 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: saber rattling. Well, let's talk to someone who's forgotten more 118 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: about the place than I will ever know. Stephen Moser 119 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: has an incredible book out, The Devil and Communist China. 120 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: You really want to learn about this place. I would 121 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: highly recommend you go pick that up. All right, Stephen, 122 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: before we get to China, let's talk about you first, 123 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: because I know we're about to have a long talk here. 124 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: Who are you? How'd you learn all this stuff? 125 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 2: Well? I was, as it turns out, the first American 126 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 2: social scientist allowed to spend the full year in China 127 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 2: under our US China Scholarly Exchange program. This was a 128 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 2: long time ago, Jesse. I was there. In nineteen seventy 129 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 2: nine and nineteen eighty we had normalized diplomatic relations with 130 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 2: the People's Republic of China. Jimmy Carter did that, and 131 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 2: of course through Taiwan and the dust bin of history. 132 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 2: At least he thought that. And so I was on 133 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 2: the ground in China in March of nineteen seventy nine. 134 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 2: I had been at Stanford University. I was teaching at 135 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 2: the University of California at Berkeley, and I thought it 136 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 2: was a great honor to be the first American allowed 137 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 2: to really take a look, an extended look, a year 138 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: long look at what was happening in China behind the 139 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: bamboo curtain. You know, China had been close to us 140 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 2: for thirty years from the revolution to nineteen seventy nine. 141 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 2: Now it was open. It was a great opportunity to 142 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 2: see what life was like on the ground after thirty 143 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 2: years of communism. And as you as we will talk about, 144 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: it was not a pretty picture. But that's my background. 145 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 2: I was selected by the National Security Council, the Social 146 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,719 Speaker 2: Science Research Council, the National Science Foundation to be the 147 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 2: first guy on the ground in China. I can speak 148 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 2: and write Chinese. That's why they selected me, boy I 149 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 2: think they got more than they bargained for when I 150 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: came back and told them about all the human rights 151 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: abuses that I had discovered. I was actually accused at 152 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 2: one point of jeopardizing US China relations by my reports 153 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 2: on human rights violations in China, and I thought to myself, actually, 154 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 2: I said publicly, if what I say about China, which 155 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 2: is the truth, is jeopardizing US China relations, then maybe 156 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 2: they need to be jeopardized. Maybe they shouldn't be as 157 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: important as we were thinking about them until very recently. 158 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: Stephen, Okay, wait till we get to that part of it. 159 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: But let's actually rewind before Mao because a lot of 160 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: people know communists China now and they've heard, obviously heard 161 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: the name Mao s Dung. 162 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 2: But what was. 163 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: China before that, because he didn't come into power until 164 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: nineteen forty nine. What were they before that? What happened? 165 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 2: Well, China has a long history, of course, but let's 166 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 2: start after the fall of the Manchu dynasty in nineteen 167 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 2: eleven nineteen twelve. That was what we call now the 168 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 2: Qing dynasty. It was a dynasty lasted almost three hundred 169 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 2: years where the foreigners, the Manchus from Manchuria came in 170 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 2: conquered China and were ruling the Chinese. That was overthrown 171 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 2: and China set up in the teens of the last 172 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 2: century a republic under Sunyat Sin. They had a constitution 173 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 2: that was modeled on the US Constitution. And in fact, 174 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 2: you know, one hundred and sixty of one hundred and 175 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 2: eighty constitutions in the world today draw on the US Constitution. 176 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 2: People don't know that because they aren't taught that. But 177 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 2: so China had a constitution model on the US Constitution. 178 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 2: It had a federal system of government. After Sun Yat 179 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 2: Sin passed away, the new leader was Chang Kai Shek, 180 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 2: and Chang Kai Shek was a Christian. He became a 181 00:10:55,840 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 2: Christian when he married Madame Chang Kai Shehek, and he 182 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 2: was a devout Christian. Actually, you can read his diaries 183 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 2: that he wrote later in life, and he quotes Scripture 184 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 2: and he praised so the ancient dream of you know, 185 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 2: Matteo Ricci and the early missionaries said that China would convert, 186 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 2: that the emperor would convert to Christianity and the people 187 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 2: of China would follow, and China would be part of 188 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 2: become part of Western civilization, seemed on the cusp of 189 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 2: being fulfilled finally after centuries. And then what happened. Of course, 190 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 2: at the same time that democracy and freedom were spreading 191 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 2: in China, we had this other evil cult, this other 192 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 2: evil ideology, this satanic cult called communism arise in the 193 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 2: Soviet Union, and they quickly thought to spread it to China. 194 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 2: And so Mauztong, one of the early founders of the 195 00:11:55,520 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 2: Chinese Communist Party, from the very beginning, was getting support, monetary, transfers, 196 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 2: and advisors from the Soviet Union to help carry out 197 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 2: his revolution. And so for the next two decades in 198 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 2: the thirties and forties, these two very different philosophies, one 199 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:22,079 Speaker 2: of respecting human rights and limited government and a democratic 200 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 2: republic fighting against a one party dictatorship of tyranny where 201 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 2: people were reduced to mere cogues and machine. They were 202 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 2: fighting each other, and sadly, towards the end of that conflict, 203 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 2: we the United States, chose the wrong side. We stopped 204 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 2: supporting the Christian general Chang Kaishek, We stopped sending arms 205 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 2: and support to the Nationalist and the Soviet Union kept 206 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 2: sending arms and support to the communists who gradually overwhelmed 207 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 2: the nationalists and drove them out of China and to 208 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 2: the island of Taiwan. That's what happened in history, and 209 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 2: it's it's a sad thing for the Chinese people that 210 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 2: this took place, because had Chang Kai shek won the 211 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 2: civil war, had we supported him as we should have, 212 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of Chinese would be alive today. China 213 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 2: would be a free country, they would have regular elections, 214 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 2: They would look a lot like Taiwan does, which has 215 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:25,359 Speaker 2: now been a fully functioning democracy for many, many decades. 216 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 2: They would be free, they would be prosperous, and they 217 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 2: would be, together with the United States, a force for 218 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 2: good in the world. Unfortunately, that didn't happen because of communism. 219 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 2: The forces of darkness rather than the forces of light 220 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 2: one in China, and you know, took China to a 221 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 2: very dark place and are now attempting to take the 222 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 2: world to that same dark place. 223 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: Stephen, can you elaborate They hate to drill down on 224 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: this detail, but why we stopped supporting Chang Kai shek. 225 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: Why when we were so interested, allegedly in making sure 226 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: other countries didn't fall to communism. Why will we all 227 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: of a sudden withhold critical support to the group that 228 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: would have been an all. 229 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 2: Well, remember we're talking about World War two and the 230 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 2: end of World War two with the surrender of Japan. 231 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 2: We wanted peace to come to the world, and we 232 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 2: had been told by people in the State Department who 233 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 2: were sympathizers with Mao Zetom and the communist Chinese that 234 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 2: they really weren't cro communists. They were merely agrarian reformers. 235 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 2: They simply wanted to take the land away from people 236 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 2: who owned too much and give it to people who 237 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 2: owned too little, and once they finished that everything could 238 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: be fine. Mauzatom capitalized on that. He took advantage of 239 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 2: leftists like Edgar Snow who came to his capital, Mao's 240 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 2: capital Jennan and North China, and wrote a book called 241 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 2: Red Star for China, which he portrayed Chairman Mao as 242 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 2: some sort of wonderful character who would bring goodness and 243 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 2: light to China. All of that was a fabrication, but 244 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 2: most of the correspondents in China at the time of 245 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 2: the Chinese Civil War were admirers of the Soviet Union. 246 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 2: They were on the side of the communists in the 247 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 2: Spanish Civil War, for example, and so their reports came 248 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 2: back to China, combined came back from China to the US, 249 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 2: combined with the reports that the people leftists in the 250 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 2: State Department were giving the Truman administration, and Truman thought, okay, well, 251 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 2: since these guys are simply a growing reformers, and since 252 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 2: we're hearing from the New York Times some bad things 253 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 2: about the Nationalists and Shanghai Shaq, let's make them work together. 254 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 2: I'll send General Marshall to China, and I'll have him 255 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 2: negotiate a peace between the communists and the nationalist and 256 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 2: they can share power and the war will end. Well. 257 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 2: That was a pipe dream, obviously. Chairman Mao was never 258 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 2: going to share power with anyone. But he took advantage 259 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 2: of the eighteen month forced truce. And how was it forced. 260 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 2: It was forced because Marshall suspended arms shipments to Changkai 261 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 2: Shek and the Nationalist army. They weren't getting any arms, 262 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 2: they weren't getting any ammunition, they weren't getting any funding 263 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 2: from the United States of America. They were cut off 264 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 2: from their principal support. In the midst of a Civil War, 265 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 2: while the Communists in Manchuria, the Red Armies were being 266 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 2: armed with every weapon that had been taken from the 267 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 2: Japanese at the end of World War II. In Manchuria. 268 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:52,479 Speaker 2: All of the tanks and Howard serves, the river gunboats, 269 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 2: the planes, everything that the Northern Japanese Army, the Imperial 270 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 2: Army in Manchuria had was turned over by the Soviet 271 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 2: Union to the Communist troops. And all of a sudden, 272 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 2: you know, it wasn't just you know, guns and millet, 273 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 2: as Chairman Mao said, He said, he conquered China using 274 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 2: guns and millet. Uh, it was Howitzer's and advanced weaponry 275 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 2: from the Japanese, and so they were getting constant support. 276 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 2: We had withdrawn our support, and the Nationalists were forced 277 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 2: backward and finally forced off the mainland altogether. That's how 278 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 2: we lost China. And because we lost China due to 279 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 2: the leftists, the communists in the State Department, and the 280 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 2: misunderstanding of President Truman of the real situation on the 281 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 2: ground in China, the world has been a much less 282 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 2: safe place ever since, especially for the Chinese people themselves, 283 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 2: because you know, one the primary characteristic of communism is 284 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 2: is mass murder. Communism. You know, the idea that man 285 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 2: can create his own heaven on earth is quite simply 286 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 2: the most deadly idea that has ever been conceived in 287 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 2: the history of the world. Once this communist faith came 288 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 2: to power in China, you know, it killed more people 289 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 2: than any war, famine, or pestilence in Chinese history. It's 290 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 2: killed hundreds of millions of Chinese. Sadly, but that's how 291 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 2: it came about. I actually, when I was teaching, of course, 292 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 2: in Chinese history at the University of California, Berkeley, I 293 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 2: actually had as one of my students, This was nineteen 294 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 2: seventy eight, one of the people in the US Foreign 295 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 2: Service who had been stationed in Yennan with Chairman Mao 296 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 2: and had been written back all these wonderful reports to 297 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 2: the State Department, talking about how they were so idealistic 298 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 2: and there was no there were no killing, there were 299 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 2: no purses, there were no persecutions, everything with sweetness and light. 300 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 2: He compared in his reports life in Yenan to kind 301 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 2: of life in a Christian summer camp. Everyone was on 302 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 2: the same page. Everyone was marching happily into a brave 303 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 2: new world. What he didn't know because it was kept 304 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 2: from him. Was that a few miles away there was 305 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 2: a prison camp where prisoners who disagreed with marching bravely 306 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 2: into the brave New world were tortured and struggled and 307 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 2: killed and executed and brainwashed. That was the other thing 308 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 2: the Chinese Communist Party invented in the nineteen thirties. That's 309 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 2: where we get the term brainwashing. It comes from the 310 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 2: Chinese she no now, which literally means wash brain. And 311 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 2: that is what you do when you put someone in 312 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 2: a tiny cubicle and you subject him to morning tonight 313 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 2: study sessions until he finally breaks down Metalley and says, 314 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 2: as Winston does at the of Orwell's Brave New nineteen 315 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 2: eighty four, you know, I'll say whatever you want me 316 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 2: to say. If you hold up three fingers and want 317 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 2: me to say four fingers, I'll say four fingers. I'll 318 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 2: say anything that you want me to say. That's brainwashing. 319 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 2: You turn people into your servile minions of people who 320 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 2: will obey without thinking anything you tell them to do, 321 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 2: up to brutalizing and killing other people. So brainwashing. All 322 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 2: that went on in Jennan, and it was kept from 323 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 2: the American visitors kept from the American correspondence, and a 324 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 2: lot of Americans got the wrong idea about what communism 325 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 2: was like. Chairman Mao did his best to reinforce that story. 326 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,479 Speaker 2: He wrote a number of things in the late nineteen 327 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 2: forties during the Civil War about how he wanted to 328 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 2: do to put in place a new democracy, how his 329 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:02,959 Speaker 2: new democracy would respect human rights and religious freedom, freedom 330 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 2: of thought, and so forth. All of that was nonsense. 331 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 2: All of that was propaganda intended to do one thing, 332 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 2: and that is weakened support of the West for the 333 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 2: nationalists and strength and support for his own communist revolution. 334 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 2: And because of this propaganda warfare, he was able to 335 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 2: win the Chinese Civil War. That's why Mao often said, 336 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 2: and Sizing Ping today, the current ruler of China often 337 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 2: says too. Quoting Mao, he says, he said that I 338 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 2: have three magic weapons that I used to conquer China 339 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 2: and that I used to stay in power. They are propaganda, 340 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 2: United Front tactics, and the People's Liberation Army. In other words, 341 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 2: propaganda comes first. If you can control the minds the 342 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 2: thoughts of people, you don't need to rely on other 343 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 2: subversive tactics like the United Front tactics of taking over 344 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 2: organizations and creating false organizations like the so called Catholic 345 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 2: Patriotic Church. And you certainly don't need the men with 346 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 2: the bullets, because you've already controlled the people through their minds, 347 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 2: and they serve you voluntarily, not out of fear. So 348 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 2: it was propaganda United Front tactics and the People's liber 349 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 2: Liberation Army, and they use propaganda very effectively on the 350 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 2: United States in the Chinese Civil War, and that's one 351 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 2: of the principal reasons that they won the Chinese Civil 352 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 2: War and again put in place this tyrannical system which 353 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 2: has now lasted over three quarters of a century, but 354 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 2: thankfully seems to be approaching an end of some kind. 355 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: Stephen Malwyn's Civil War, what's the great leap forward? What's 356 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 1: he do first? 357 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 2: Well, the first thing he does, the first thing he 358 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 2: does throughout China's two million villages, is he sends in 359 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 2: his communist cadres and he tells the people there, the 360 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 2: poor people, the landless peasants, the people who just have 361 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 2: a little bit of land but need to rent more. 362 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 2: He tells them that they're going to benefit from the 363 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 2: revolution because he's going to carry out a land reform. 364 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 2: He's going to take land away from people who own 365 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 2: it and give it to people who don't have land. 366 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 2: And so he organizes the communist cadres organized in the villages, 367 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 2: the worst elements of the village, the people who don't 368 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 2: work very hard, so they don't have very much. And 369 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 2: they're told that if they join the Communist revolution, if 370 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 2: they join the Peasants Association, they can then have everything 371 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 2: they want, because it'll be taken away from those who 372 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 2: have it given to those who don't. And so in 373 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 2: every village in China there was a land reform carried 374 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 2: out the landlords. And these were people who had you know, 375 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 2: you think landlord, you think a thousand acres. No, these 376 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 2: were people who had more land than they could farm themselves. 377 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 2: They had maybe five acres, They had ten acres of 378 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 2: rice patty something like that. They weren't huge estates. The 379 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 2: landlords were put up on the stage and accused of 380 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 2: all kinds of crimes, of exploiting the poor, of stealing 381 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 2: from the poor, ill gotten gains of all kinds. They 382 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 2: were tortured, brutalized and killed, and then their possessions, their 383 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 2: land and everything they owned was then given to the 384 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 2: poor people who had tortured and killed them, and that 385 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 2: went on until the landlords were either all killed or 386 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 2: had committed suicide. And the promise was of the land 387 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 2: reform was now you have your own land. But communism 388 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,360 Speaker 2: is deceptive from the beginning. This too was the deception 389 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 2: because the Communist Party never intended to let the people 390 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 2: in China who were given land keep that land. No, 391 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 2: the plan was always to immediately collectivize. So two years 392 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 2: after the landless peasants had been organized and taught how 393 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 2: to kill the landlords and rich peasants and had been 394 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 2: given their own land, the land was taken back by 395 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 2: the state, which became the big landlord, owning every piece 396 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 2: of property in China. It still does today, by the way, 397 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 2: the Chinese Communist Party technically is the owner of all 398 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 2: property in China. It is what the Chinese villagers called 399 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 2: the big landlord, the dad diju. And this collectivisation went 400 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 2: from one hundred families farming the land in common to 401 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 2: a thousand families farming the land in common, to in 402 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 2: some cases tens of thousands of family farming the land 403 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 2: in common in giant communes the commune I was in, 404 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 2: which ironically enough, was called Equality Commune, Junan Gungsha. Equality 405 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 2: Commune had eighty thousand people living in the commune. And 406 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 2: who was running the commune, well, not the people themselves. 407 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 2: The Communists cadres were running the commune. And of course 408 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 2: they were sitting behind their desk and holding meetings and 409 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 2: eating at banquets, eating very well, and always looked much 410 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 2: better nourished than ordinary people. Orderary peasants would be lean. 411 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 2: Communist party cadres always carried around a few extra pounds 412 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 2: because they were living off the fat of the land. 413 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 2: They were living off the hard work, the sweat, blood 414 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 2: and tears of the peasants. So the collectives were formed 415 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 2: the Great Leap Forward in nineteen fifty eight. We're going 416 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 2: to force everybody into giant collectives, collectivize everyone. Mao wanted 417 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 2: to destroy individuality. Communism always wants to destroy the individual 418 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 2: and replace it with this amorphous concept of the masses. Right, 419 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 2: we're all part of the masses. Individuals aren't important anymore. 420 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 2: Individuals aren't important anymore. It's all about the masses, the collectives. 421 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 2: So these people were forced in these giant collectives, and 422 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 2: again it was bait and switch. It was deceptioned by 423 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 2: the Communist Party because the peasants joined the giant communes 424 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 2: didn't really have any choice. If they didn't want to join, 425 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 2: they were killed and they were told, don't worry, you'll 426 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 2: have free food from now on. Just farm the fields 427 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 2: as the Communist cadres tell you to work from down 428 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 2: to dusk, following their orders, and we will feed you 429 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 2: and take care of you forever. And just to make 430 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 2: sure that you don't get the idea that you can 431 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 2: pick a few vegetables from a tiny garden plot and 432 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 2: cook them in your own kitchen, we're going to take 433 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 2: away your kitchen cooking pots so you won't be able 434 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 2: to cook in your own kitchens anyway. Well, that went 435 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 2: on for about a year after the commune started, and 436 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 2: then the food ran out because guess what, the Communist 437 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 2: Party cadres had no idea what they were doing. They 438 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 2: had no idea when to plant, when to harvest, when 439 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 2: to fertilize. People weren't working very hard. Surprise, surprise, surprise, 440 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 2: that fields didn't belong to them. There was no sense 441 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 2: of ownership, and so they went out late in the 442 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 2: morning and came in as early in the afternoon as 443 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 2: they could get away with it. The food ran out, 444 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 2: and then the Communist Party cadres said, now it's time 445 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 2: for you all to go home and eat out of 446 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 2: your own kitchens. Well, they didn't have any kitchens anymore, 447 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 2: they didn't have any walks, they didn't have any pots 448 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 2: that had been taken away. But they were all sent 449 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 2: home to do what to starve, and forty five million 450 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 2: people starved to death in nineteen sixty and nineteen sixty one. 451 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 2: Forty five million people the worst famine in human history Jesse. 452 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 2: Not caused by drought, not caused by flood, not caused 453 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 2: by natural disaster, caused by Chairman mal who forced everyone 454 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 2: into these giant communes, and once the communes failed, sent 455 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 2: them home to starve. Now he didn't starve, and his 456 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 2: cadres didn't starve. The people in the cities had to 457 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 2: tighten their belts. In some cases they were eating, you know, 458 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 2: pretty lean, lean meals for a long time. The men 459 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 2: with the guns, the people's Theagian army, they didn't starve. 460 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 2: But the peasants, the hundreds of millions of peasants starved 461 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 2: to death in large numbers they were literally eating the 462 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 2: bark Off trees. I interviewed people who were catching mice 463 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 2: to eat, and they were happy if they caught one 464 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 2: miles a week. They were stripping the bark Off trees 465 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 2: and eating the bark Off trees to try to stay 466 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 2: alive with a little bit of nourishment they can get 467 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 2: from that. They were boiling weeds and eating weeds, eating grass, 468 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 2: trying to get some nutrition out of that. Their entire 469 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 2: villages that no longer exist because every living soul in 470 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 2: the village starved to death during the Great Report. And 471 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 2: you know what the kicker is to that, this man 472 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 2: made family the worst famine human history caused by communism, 473 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 2: caused by Chairman Mao. The kicker is that word of 474 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 2: the famine got out of China, of course through Hong Kong, 475 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,479 Speaker 2: because starving refugees were coming across the border to Hong 476 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 2: Kong saying things are really bad in China, were starving 477 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 2: to death, and the United States offered to send grain 478 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 2: to China. We didn't like communism even then. I mean, 479 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 2: this is nineteen sixty. We were already in the midst 480 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 2: of a Cold War with the Soviet Union, and China 481 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 2: was the Soviet Union's ally. But we are a generous 482 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 2: and good country, and so we responded with the to 483 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 2: the reports of tens of millions of people starving to 484 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 2: death with an offer of grain. So did Canada, and 485 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 2: Chairman Mao refused the offer of grain because he said, 486 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 2: there's no famine in China. Well, he wasn't going hungry, 487 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 2: to be sure, but there certainly was famine in China. 488 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,959 Speaker 2: So that's the story of the Great Leap forward and 489 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 2: the death of forty five million people. There was a 490 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 2: grave outside the large village that I was living in 491 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 2: in Equality Commune, where two hundred people were buried, mostly 492 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 2: the very old and the very young, who had died 493 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 2: in that one village during the famine. That famine has 494 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 2: not been forgotten in China today. People remember the famine 495 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 2: as they remember the Cultural Revolution, and that's why they 496 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 2: often keep a little extra food stored in their homes, 497 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 2: and that's why they hang on to any extra cash 498 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 2: they get, because they're afraid that another famine could be 499 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 2: coming to China. China even today can't feed itself. It 500 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 2: has to import grain. It has to import soybeans and 501 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 2: corn and other things from the United States. And other 502 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 2: countries and things make it so bad in China again 503 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 2: that there's another famine. Watch out all. 504 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: Right, time out right there. We have so much more 505 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: with Steven Moser coming up in just a minute. You 506 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: know what's wild about sleeping well is that when you 507 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: sleep well, it compounds. You know, it works the same 508 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: way when you're not sleeping well, you don't sleep well 509 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: one night, and then you don't sleep as good. But 510 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: when you start taking dream powder from Beam every single night, 511 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: you put together eight hours and then eight hours, and 512 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: then eight hours and eight hours, It's like you're not 513 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: even the same person. After about a week of that, 514 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: do you struggle sleeping? I know there's a pillow bottle 515 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: out there. I know the pharmacy has a million things 516 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: for you. Why don't you focus on natural things? Why 517 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: don't you have a cup of hot chocolate before bed? 518 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: Dream powder from Beam? I have the chocolate cinnamon. It's delicious. 519 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: I sip on a cup of hot chocolate before bed, 520 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: and then about a half hour later, I just go 521 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: drift off to sleep, and when I wake up, I 522 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: don't feel that groggy heaviness. I'm ready to go do 523 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: it for a week. You'll never stop shotbeam dot com 524 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: slash Jesse Kelly. 525 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 2: Stephen. 526 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: Tell me about this cultural revolution and Mao's Little Red Book? 527 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: What was the Little Red Book? What kind of brutalities 528 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: surrounded the Little Red Book? Tell me about all this? 529 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 2: Well, Mao had a very good grasp on human nature, 530 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 2: how to actually deform human nature and undermine human nature, 531 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 2: especially among the young. Remember that, I know, you know 532 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 2: that Vladimir eliots Lennin said, you know, give me the 533 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 2: young people educate and in three years I will I 534 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 2: will make them into a good Communists. Well, Chairman now 535 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 2: understood as a committed Communist Marxist Leninism the importance of education, 536 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 2: and so he always focused, even from the beginning of 537 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 2: his revolution on the young. That's why we have reports 538 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 2: from the very early base camps in the nineteen thirties 539 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 2: set up by the Communists of children turning on their 540 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 2: parents during the land reform, of children accusing their own 541 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,280 Speaker 2: parents of exploiting workers and being landlords and rich peasants 542 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 2: and getting them killed. That's why we have reports during 543 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,879 Speaker 2: these other purges of family members turning on each other. 544 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 2: It was the young. He was very good at manipulating 545 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,720 Speaker 2: the young and I think we see that in leftist 546 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 2: movements everywhere today, even in our own country. So what 547 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 2: he did in the Cultural Revolution, the forty five million 548 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 2: people who died in the Great Lead Forward Famine, there 549 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 2: were a lot of people even in the ranks of 550 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 2: the Chinese Communist Party that knew that this was a 551 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 2: mal caused disaster. Leo Shauchi, the premier, the second ranking 552 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,319 Speaker 2: guy in China, tried to take power away from Mao 553 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 2: in the early nineteen sixties. They told the peasants, you 554 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 2: can have your own little garden plot, so we're not 555 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 2: going to force you to farm the collective fields exclusively. 556 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,439 Speaker 2: We'll give you a little garden plot, maybe fifty feet 557 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 2: by fifty feet, and you can grow your own vegetables there. 558 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,439 Speaker 2: They wanted to prevent another famine. They were taking mau 559 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 2: away from the front line. He said. He complained at 560 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 2: the time. He said, they're moving me back to the 561 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 2: second line. He couldn't tolerate that because he wanted to 562 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 2: be as a paranoid megalomaniac. He wanted to be in 563 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,439 Speaker 2: absolute control. And so what he did was he put 564 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 2: together out of his writings and he wrote volumes of 565 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,320 Speaker 2: books over the decades. He put together quotations from Chairman 566 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 2: Mouth and became the Little Red Book, and he organized 567 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 2: something called the Bred Guards. He asked all the students 568 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 2: in the country to read his Little Red Book and 569 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 2: follow him because there was a new revolution was needed. 570 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 2: The old revolution was stalling, was failing, and so we 571 00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 2: needed a new revolution to get rid of the four 572 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 2: everything old, everything foreign, everything Confusian, everything from the nationalist period. 573 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 2: That all had to go. Of course, what that was 574 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:16,320 Speaker 2: was a purge of his political enemies, people like Leo Shaouchi, 575 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 2: the premier, and the generals who had opposed him after 576 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 2: the disastrous Greatly Forward. All those people were arrested by 577 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 2: the Red Guards, and the same thing happened to them 578 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,479 Speaker 2: that happened to the landlords, you know fifteen years ago. 579 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 2: They were put on stages. They were publicly struggled, they 580 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 2: were called struggle sessions, and they were accused of all 581 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,760 Speaker 2: kinds of crimes. They were literally spat upon, beaten with sticks, 582 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 2: stabbed with knives, stoned in some cases, and of course 583 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 2: they were ultimately killed. The Red Guards soon began to 584 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 2: fight among themselves, and they were actually major conflicts in 585 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,879 Speaker 2: different Chinese provinces. In different groups of Red Guards, each 586 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 2: of whom claimed to be the authentic bears of Malzetom's message. 587 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 2: They would shout. They began by shouting slogans from the 588 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 2: Little Red Book at each other, and pretty soon they 589 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 2: were they were shooting guns at each other. They can 590 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 2: get their hands on guns. There are actually graveyards in 591 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 2: China today filled with the corpses of Red Guards who 592 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 2: were killed during the conflicts. It was an amazing time. 593 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 2: But the whole Red Guard movement, the whole Cultural Revolution movement, 594 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 2: was in one sense, again a strategic deception by Mao 595 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 2: by claiming to be fighting against the four holes, by 596 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 2: fighting against feudalism, and and and and Confucianism and and 597 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,280 Speaker 2: anything foreign and foreign religions. All the churches were destroyed 598 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,800 Speaker 2: during that time, even the churches that had said, okay, 599 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,360 Speaker 2: we acknowledged the leadership of the Chinese Communist Party, just 600 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 2: let us continue to read the Bible and preach the gospel. 601 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,800 Speaker 2: Even those churches who had gone along with the Chinese 602 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 2: Communist Party, they were destroyed by the Red Guards. But 603 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 2: that was all a cover story for what Mao was 604 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 2: really about, and what he was really about was purging 605 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 2: his enemies, getting rid of them, using the Red Guard 606 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 2: as his stooges to torture and kill his enemies. And 607 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 2: by the end of the Cultural Revolution, he was absolutely 608 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 2: alone again at the top of the power pyramid, because 609 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 2: the leading generals and of course the former premier and 610 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 2: even Dung Chaoping had been sent into exile. And so 611 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 2: he was by nineteen seventy five he was alone in 612 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 2: calling the shots, supported by his wife, John Ching and 613 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,280 Speaker 2: a couple of the other new Red Guard Paulit Bureau members. 614 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,879 Speaker 2: And then he died in nineteen seventy six, and Dung 615 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 2: Chaoping came back out of exile. But that's what the 616 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 2: Cultural Revolution was all about. This tremendous upheaval, which caused 617 00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 2: the loss of millions of lives, the traumatization of the 618 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 2: entire population of China, the destruction of many of much 619 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 2: of its cultural heritage, was all about a power struggle 620 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 2: in the top ranks of the Chinese Communist Party. And 621 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 2: we see that again today. I mean, we've got ceed 622 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 2: and pain to take in deposing generals left, right and center. 623 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 2: And because why because he wants to stand alone at 624 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,720 Speaker 2: the top of the power pyramid. He is a twenty 625 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 2: first century version of twentieth century Mao Zone. And he's 626 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,759 Speaker 2: the same kind of personality that always rises to the 627 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 2: top of this bitter factional fighting, this deceit and deception, 628 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 2: this infighting always allows. The people who rise to the 629 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,840 Speaker 2: top of such a structure aren't nice guys. They're like 630 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 2: the scum that rises to the top of a stagnant pond. 631 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 2: You always get the worst of the worst, the ones 632 00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,960 Speaker 2: who are the best at backstabbing, at deceiving, at at 633 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 2: strategic manipulation and deception. And that's what we have today 634 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 2: in Sijingping, And that's what we had in Mao Zeton, 635 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 2: who I believe is one of the most evil creatures 636 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,800 Speaker 2: whoever existed in human history, certainly by the number of 637 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:14,760 Speaker 2: people that he killed? 638 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:22,759 Speaker 1: Did Mao did he love watching people die? I've read 639 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,239 Speaker 1: things that Mao loved to watch torture, Mao loved to 640 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 1: watch the death of his enemies. Is that just propaganda? 641 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 1: Is that true? 642 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,400 Speaker 2: Well, in the beginning when Mao, when Mao betrayed his 643 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 2: communist colleagues during what was called the Autumn Harvest Uprising, 644 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,319 Speaker 2: he was supposed to attack a city and take over 645 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 2: the city and create a base in the city for 646 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 2: the Communist Party. Instead, he took his thousands of troops 647 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,279 Speaker 2: that he had been given command of and went up 648 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 2: in the mountains and set up a red base called 649 00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:00,719 Speaker 2: at jing Jing gang Shan and the Jingog Mountain. And 650 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,920 Speaker 2: he so he had his h He had his thousands 651 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,839 Speaker 2: of troops there in the mountains, and he was he 652 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 2: was the little emperor on top of the mountain. The 653 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 2: Communist Party leaders were in Shanghai several hundred miles away. 654 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 2: They were furious at mal for hijacking the troops, and 655 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,279 Speaker 2: on two occasions they actually kicked him out of the 656 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 2: party and sent people to tell him that he was 657 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,680 Speaker 2: being kicked out of the party. The people who arrived 658 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 2: in Jinga Mountains to tell the Little Emperor Mao that 659 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 2: he had been kicked out of the party didn't live 660 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 2: very long, as you can as you can imagine, so 661 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 2: so Mao was always a master of deceit and deception, 662 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 2: from from the very beginning of his reign, when he 663 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 2: actually stole the troops away from the Chinese Communist Party 664 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 2: and set up his own little kingdom. 665 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 1: Go read Stephen Moser's book Fascinating Steve and I cannot 666 00:41:55,080 --> 00:42:00,439 Speaker 1: thank you enough. That was wonderful. Appreciate you, sir. All right, 667 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,879 Speaker 1: maybe do a little book reading next. You have high 668 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 1: interest debt. I'm talking twenties thirties to look if you do, 669 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,200 Speaker 1: first of all, put that shame away. That's a very 670 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 1: common tale. Now high interest DET. I've got all this 671 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:17,279 Speaker 1: high interest det. 672 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:18,759 Speaker 2: But do you own a home. 673 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,200 Speaker 1: You know that American financing they're here for you. We're 674 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:28,279 Speaker 1: talking rates as low as the fives right now. Why 675 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 1: don't you dump those twenty thirty percent interest rates and 676 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 1: just get a hold of American Financing and find out 677 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,200 Speaker 1: what they can do for you. 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Here's a little tidbit. 687 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,080 Speaker 1: Do you ever see these videos of people going out 688 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 1: on Instagram and swimming in floodwaters whenever the street's flooded. Yeah, 689 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,200 Speaker 1: here it is quote do not swim in floodwaters, floodwaters 690 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:40,560 Speaker 1: or poop water. That's a really, really important thing. I 691 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,720 Speaker 1: just wanted to remind you that you should never swim 692 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,959 Speaker 1: and flood water that's sewage water. And go to Jesse 693 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 1: Kelly dot com put in your email address, Enjoy the book. 694 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,399 Speaker 1: If you like it, send it to someone else, print 695 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,440 Speaker 1: it out, carry it with you, all right, see them 696 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:05,680 Speaker 1: all Ning Ning