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Speaker 1: West Virginia. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond
Speaker 1: Green Show. Um. In life, there's just certain things, and
Speaker 1: those things are like just what they are. Like. People
Speaker 1: say this bible, some people say it's facts. Whatever you
Speaker 1: call it. The fact that the matter is one of
Speaker 1: those things in life is that Flint and Saginaw, Flint,
Speaker 1: Michigan and Saginaw, Michigan. It's connected, it's intertwined. It's like
Speaker 1: one and the same. Both produces great basketball players, both
Speaker 1: produces stars, both produces great people. Blue collar cities and
Speaker 1: when you come from those places, you carry a certain
Speaker 1: thing with you. I'm honored to have a guy from Flint,
Speaker 1: Michigan as the guest today. But not only is this
Speaker 1: guy from Flint, Michigan and we have that connection, we
Speaker 1: actually have one of the best connections that you can have.
Speaker 1: And when you play basketball, it don't get no better
Speaker 1: than that connection. It's my brother Javelop McGee, three time
Speaker 1: NBA champ, two time NBA Champ, here with us to
Speaker 1: Golden Stay Warriors, My brother. Welcome to the show. How
Speaker 1: you doing having me? Bro? Absolutely? Man, I am excited.
Speaker 1: I am excited as hell for this episode, not only um,
Speaker 1: you know, because it goes so much deeper than basketball,
Speaker 1: Like this is for those of y'all that don't know,
Speaker 1: this is a guy that I still have an incredible
Speaker 1: relationship with. That's my brother, beyond any basketball stuff. To
Speaker 1: the point that last year I was doing this podcast,
Speaker 1: or actually I tweeted UM and I tweeted something about
Speaker 1: this guy right here, and I was laughing and I
Speaker 1: was joking, and he hit me up, like, Yo, what's
Speaker 1: that about? Like like why would you tweet that? Like
Speaker 1: that's bullshit? And I'm like, Yo, I didn't take the
Speaker 1: tweet that way. But if that's what you think, Like,
Speaker 1: if that's the way you took the tweet, that I
Speaker 1: apologize to you and I was wrong and I'll make
Speaker 1: that right, Like that's the relationship here. So I'm excited
Speaker 1: as hell to have this cause no fake in and
Speaker 1: the love just hit you right away. A number absolutely,
Speaker 1: But I mean let's get into it. Man, sixteenth overall
Speaker 1: pick in the NBA draft, eighteenth pick, eighteenth pick in
Speaker 1: the NBA draft in the two thousand and eight drift,
Speaker 1: it's crazy to think you've been in the league. What's
Speaker 1: this your sixteenth year? It's my fifteen fifteenth year. That's
Speaker 1: that's crazy to think, you know, for a guy who
Speaker 1: they never really gave a chance to make it. What's
Speaker 1: just what's just talk to me about that fifteen year
Speaker 1: journey and what's it been like for you making it
Speaker 1: the way you have, becoming a three time NBA champion,
Speaker 1: all of that good stuff. Um, I mean, it's been
Speaker 1: a it's been a long journey for sure, and it's
Speaker 1: been a lot of ups, a lot of downs, and
Speaker 1: just consistency on believing in myself. That's really the only
Speaker 1: thing that I've been consistent on through everything is believing
Speaker 1: in myself, believing in my logs. I still didn't do it,
Speaker 1: believing in my hearts. I gotta continue to do it.
Speaker 1: So just just self confidence. If anything that in the
Speaker 1: structure of being from a town that they don't think
Speaker 1: you're gonna go to college, absolutely let alone be a
Speaker 1: part of the one percent. And if people don't understand
Speaker 1: one percent is like the network for five hundred thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: that's one percent. Network for five million dollars is point
Speaker 1: zero one percent, So just five hundred thousand dollars net
Speaker 1: worth is crazy from where I'm from. So just being
Speaker 1: able to make it as far as just an amazing
Speaker 1: I think it's absolutely incredible one. And in your career,
Speaker 1: it got off to a rocky start, like it wasn't
Speaker 1: all piece of cream, like you you grew into a
Speaker 1: guy that and we'll get into this as we go on,
Speaker 1: but you grew into a guy that became the missing
Speaker 1: piece of championship teams, and like I said, we'll get
Speaker 1: into that, but it didn't start off that. Like, just
Speaker 1: just walk me through starting off with Washington Wizards and
Speaker 1: how that was starting off eighteenth pick. So if you
Speaker 1: know anything about basketball, if you're not lottery, which is
Speaker 1: I think top thirteen, they don't really care about you.
Speaker 1: You're just that they're gonna You're gonna go through the process.
Speaker 1: So I came in, you know, one through thirteen, they
Speaker 1: all automatically, Okay, we're given the ball to you. We're
Speaker 1: gonna see what you can do. Let's go eighteen. I
Speaker 1: came to a team with with Brendan Haywood, Corian Butler,
Speaker 1: Antoine Jamison, Gilbert Arenas Um and I believe it was
Speaker 1: after the year they had just went far in the
Speaker 1: playoffs Um, so it was more of a winning mindset
Speaker 1: when I got there. So it was like Jarell, you're
Speaker 1: probably not gonna play um, And then I think we
Speaker 1: were going to We're going to play in Germany and
Speaker 1: one other city overseas for like you know how begin
Speaker 1: in the season and some teams two preseason games in
Speaker 1: different different countries. And Brendan Haywood broke his hand, So
Speaker 1: I don't at the time, we had Eddie Jordan as
Speaker 1: as as the coach and Brendan Haywood broke his hand,
Speaker 1: I don't think. And we had Eton Thomas also, so
Speaker 1: he was ahead of me also, but I don't think
Speaker 1: Eddie Jordan Eaton Thomas. We're seeing eye to eye at
Speaker 1: the time. So that from my career propelled me straight
Speaker 1: to the starting line up for the first ten games
Speaker 1: of the season. Um so we go, oh and ten,
Speaker 1: the first two ten games of the season, they fired
Speaker 1: Eddie Jordan. Boom, he's gone so so at that point,
Speaker 1: and Gildon Rinas has hurt this year also, um so
Speaker 1: we don't really have that team that same team. Gilbard
Speaker 1: Rens has hurt this year. Um so, they fired Eddie Jordan,
Speaker 1: they bring in the player development guy. I believe that's
Speaker 1: what his role was, Eddie tap Scott exactly. He still
Speaker 1: he's still over there too. I've seen him one and
Speaker 1: I think last year he's still over there. I see
Speaker 1: some role, uh Andy tap Scott. He didnt rocker rookies.
Speaker 1: So from just that point, I had a whole three
Speaker 1: sixty turnaround. I'm like, nah, you're not You're not getting
Speaker 1: this starting role. What do you think this is? And
Speaker 1: it was it was over from there. I was I
Speaker 1: was sent to the bench and to that rookie role,
Speaker 1: that humbling rookie role. So my my rookie year was
Speaker 1: extremely humbling at that point. UM. I believe the next
Speaker 1: year they hired any Tescot was then interim coach until
Speaker 1: the end of that year. The next year, I believe
Speaker 1: they hired Flip Saunders. UM, and I and me and
Speaker 1: Fhlip Saunders never really rest in pieces. Me and Phlip
Speaker 1: Saunders never really uh saw eye to eye, um, but
Speaker 1: it was it was in part of him being a
Speaker 1: tenure coach that knows a lot and me being a
Speaker 1: young young player that that understands how to communicate with
Speaker 1: coaches but doesn't realize once I get to the NBA,
Speaker 1: these aren't your bosses. These are your your co workers,
Speaker 1: and you guys' relationship should be your co worker vibe.
Speaker 1: It's not like college where you look at your head
Speaker 1: coaches like, oh whatever he say goals, like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So it's different, and that's an also
Speaker 1: maturity thing, like I wish I wish that Rickie Transition
Speaker 1: program they teach you about that, like your coaches is
Speaker 1: your co worker, he's not your your boss, and you're
Speaker 1: going into it, Yeah, you're going through it with that
Speaker 1: mindset and sometimes and I feel like I went into
Speaker 1: that mindset and some things I couldn't take, Like I'm
Speaker 1: from point, like somebody talk to you crazy, or talk
Speaker 1: to you a certain way, you don't respond the way
Speaker 1: you should sometimes and I was extremely short used back then. UM,
Speaker 1: so we we didn't really get along. I believe I
Speaker 1: sat maybe like forty two games d MPs my sophomore year, uh,
Speaker 1: from just not getting along with the coach if anything.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was a play or what
Speaker 1: it was, but just not being on the same page.
Speaker 1: I believe the next year he got fired or yeah,
Speaker 1: I believe he got fired. And then it was I
Speaker 1: can't remember his name, but he was the coach, and
Speaker 1: then we got another coach. I forgot his name. I
Speaker 1: always forget, but as four coaches in my first two
Speaker 1: three seasons on my first team, so which is crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm there with some other young guys, Nick Young, Andrew Blatch,
Speaker 1: Dominique McGuire, and we all just trying to figure it out.
Speaker 1: But we're all extremely immature. Gildornis wasn't healthy, so we
Speaker 1: didn't get to see the example of the Gil everyone
Speaker 1: knows and Jim at three am coming back late three fuotiity.
Speaker 1: We had the I'm injured, so I got a bag
Speaker 1: I'm fun gal and it rubbed off a little bit
Speaker 1: on all of us for sure. Um. So we picked
Speaker 1: up a little bit of bad habits early on in
Speaker 1: my career. Um, I get traded my third year, I believe,
Speaker 1: I go to Denver, UM and I think traded for nay. Um.
Speaker 1: I went to Denver and it's a whole different coaching staff.
Speaker 1: I got coach Carl Um. Now, me and coach Carl
Speaker 1: we didn't. We didn't get along in a certain sense. Um.
Speaker 1: But my aspect of me not getting along Coach Carl
Speaker 1: was more, you got coach to Koufo starting ahead of me,
Speaker 1: right now, that was no offense to Coaster, that's my guy.
Speaker 1: But even Coaster said to me, like you should be
Speaker 1: starting like so when the guy headed he was telling
Speaker 1: you that it's just like what's what's really going on? Why? Why?
Speaker 1: Why are we doing this? But that was before I
Speaker 1: realized the politics that goes in whole basketball, the relationships
Speaker 1: you have to have GMS on these teams about like,
Speaker 1: it's just so much I learned actually after going to
Speaker 1: the warders. So so I have a question for you
Speaker 1: so check this, do you think, because early on in
Speaker 1: my career, I felt like it's what I noticed just
Speaker 1: from the outside looking. And obviously I'm not in Denver,
Speaker 1: but I think, or I thought, and I still think,
Speaker 1: due to the contract extension that you signed with the
Speaker 1: Denver Nuggets, that George Carr was punishing you for that
Speaker 1: contract that the Denver Nuggets signed you too, because that's
Speaker 1: what it looks like to me. It felt like he
Speaker 1: didn't he didn't like the fact that that I got
Speaker 1: that extension, even though that that playoff series before I
Speaker 1: was a major part of that playoff series playing against
Speaker 1: Kobe and the Lakers meaning Kenneth Kari We. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's that year, the year after we had
Speaker 1: fifty seven wins, the year after after that, I believe,
Speaker 1: so we had a good team and we're playing with UM.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say I was the best pro
Speaker 1: in the world, but I was also a young guy
Speaker 1: who had a hell of a motor and who wanted
Speaker 1: to play basketball, Like I love playing basketball. If I'm
Speaker 1: doing anything, he's playing basketball. I wanted to play UM.
Speaker 1: So I definitely felt I don't want to say envy
Speaker 1: or anything but more of a this guy doesn't deserve this,
Speaker 1: so I'm a punishing for type of energy and that's
Speaker 1: how I felt about that situation. Um. And then he left,
Speaker 1: I don't left or got fired. And then uh, Brian
Speaker 1: Shaw came in. So that's six coaches in my first
Speaker 1: six years, I believe. Uh. So Brian Shaw came in.
Speaker 1: Brian Shaw came in, and me and Brian got got
Speaker 1: along pretty well. But I had the year before Shaw
Speaker 1: came in, I got injured and I had a stretch yep.
Speaker 1: Yet I got a rod in my shin right now
Speaker 1: and I'm having for life. Um. But yeah, I had
Speaker 1: a stretch stracture in my shin. So I got to
Speaker 1: I only got to play I believe ten maybe five
Speaker 1: games starting under Brian Shaw until I had to go
Speaker 1: out and uh and just rest my shin. Um. So
Speaker 1: I never actually got to play for Brian Shaw. Um.
Speaker 1: And then I believe they bought no, no, they traded
Speaker 1: me to to Philly after that, So that's seven coaches
Speaker 1: and then I and then I uh, and then I
Speaker 1: got waved or they bought me out. They brought me
Speaker 1: out after that. So in my mind, I'm at a
Speaker 1: moment where ship like I got bought out. I understood
Speaker 1: the buyout process, but of course I had the one
Speaker 1: hundred percent belief in myself. But I'm gonna get healthy
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be straight. But at a certain point
Speaker 1: in my recovery from my shin, uh, you start getting out.
Speaker 1: You started doubting yourself and doubting like is this gonna last?
Speaker 1: Like is it over for me? Like this is the
Speaker 1: injury that some people just don't come back from, and
Speaker 1: I'm am I one of those people. So after that
Speaker 1: summer I had got bought out, I went to I
Speaker 1: started two years or team option UM to Dallas. Um.
Speaker 1: If I'm right, that's eight coaches or seven coaches, eight coaches?
Speaker 1: Uh and Rick Carlisle. Um. I'm still feeling the pain
Speaker 1: in my shin, but the doctor tells me, well, the
Speaker 1: best news is you can't break it again, so you
Speaker 1: can just fight through the pains. On my mind, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: forget it. I could fight through the pain as long
Speaker 1: as it don't break. That's all I'm worried about. But
Speaker 1: if you really think about that, that's a crazy thing.
Speaker 1: Everything every time you supposed to feel pain, that's nuts.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. You see what I'm saying. And it's a
Speaker 1: crazy aspect of myself being able to put myself in
Speaker 1: that mental mindset of fuck it, I'm grinding. This is
Speaker 1: what I'm here to do. I'm gonna do it. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna fight through this pain rather than just being like,
Speaker 1: you know what, just no, it still hurts sit out.
Speaker 1: But I took that. I took that advice and I
Speaker 1: took it to heart, and I said, you're right. It
Speaker 1: made sense to me. It's not gonna break um, so
Speaker 1: I might as well play through it. So I played
Speaker 1: through it that year. I didn't play a lot that year.
Speaker 1: I was I was it was. It was hard for
Speaker 1: me to condition that year, just because I was still
Speaker 1: in pain. So I gained a couple of pounds. I
Speaker 1: was about two seventy, two seventy. I thought I was buffed,
Speaker 1: but I didn't realize I was fat. What what is
Speaker 1: your so to put into perspective, what is your comfortable
Speaker 1: play my comfortable playing way two fifty five? Okay, that
Speaker 1: fifteen pounds you feel every single one every I'm not
Speaker 1: jumping as high I feel every time I jump, like,
Speaker 1: but in my mind, I'm like, and this is coming
Speaker 1: off of the Dwight Howard era of him dominating every center,
Speaker 1: you having all your Dwight snakes, Let me do some
Speaker 1: push ups and some extra bench presses before this game
Speaker 1: because the White is a beast um. So I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: maybe I need to be bigger. Maybe this is fine
Speaker 1: than trying to play through that and that year. So
Speaker 1: that year went through, I didn't play a lot. It's nothing,
Speaker 1: nothing really talk about, and they decided to pick up
Speaker 1: a team option next year. So now I'm I'm at
Speaker 1: a point in my career where I'm like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't I have no idea what's gonna happen. Now.
Speaker 1: There's not a guaranteed year coming somewhere else. It's not
Speaker 1: no one's calling the phone anything. And I'm injured, low
Speaker 1: Ki not injured, but I'm in pain. You say that,
Speaker 1: I'm still in pain. So I'm trying to figure things out.
Speaker 1: But I never doubted myself to where I knew in
Speaker 1: my mind, if I get it healthy, it's over for everybody.
Speaker 1: But I just got to figure out how to get
Speaker 1: healthy to to to when when when you're when the
Speaker 1: doctor tell you you won't break, it's fine, you just
Speaker 1: got to deal with the pain. It's that like a
Speaker 1: doctor you're going to see or is that a team doctor.
Speaker 1: It's it's a team doctor. It's also the doctor that
Speaker 1: did my surgery. Okay, um, I chose not to go
Speaker 1: to the but this is a funny thing too. Uh.
Speaker 1: I don't like the fact that doctors have no empathy
Speaker 1: at all. I hate non empathetic doctors. Like I understand you.
Speaker 1: You see people that are gonna die every day, but
Speaker 1: have some empathy. Because when I was going to get
Speaker 1: the ride in my show, I talked to the doctor
Speaker 1: before the doctor Denver. He was like, Oh, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be easy. We're gonna open up your knee. We're
Speaker 1: gonna knock the ride in there for snails and the
Speaker 1: ankle neils in your knee, and you'll be good three
Speaker 1: to six months. And I was just looking at him
Speaker 1: in the face, like, bro, you know what you just
Speaker 1: told me, Bronna open up my knee, throw a ride
Speaker 1: in the middle of my bone and put a and
Speaker 1: put screws on my ankle in my knee. So I
Speaker 1: was like, na, and he was saying, it's a it's
Speaker 1: a possibility. You could just rest and heal it for
Speaker 1: six months. So I was like, well, I'm gonna try
Speaker 1: to heal it for six months. Then I don't want
Speaker 1: to do the surgery. So I do the healing for
Speaker 1: six months and they're like, no, it's still there. You
Speaker 1: gotta get the surgery. So just the way the doctor
Speaker 1: was talking to me, yeah, just be a go put
Speaker 1: a rode in, I was like, I'm not going to you,
Speaker 1: I'm going to somebody else. El Um, I give a
Speaker 1: second opinion. I find a guy in Florida, who who
Speaker 1: in Miami who decides he can put the ride in
Speaker 1: but he doesn't have to put the screws in. And
Speaker 1: I was like, that sounds way better. You just put
Speaker 1: the ride in the middle and you don't have to
Speaker 1: screw in my ankle screw in the top of the
Speaker 1: my knee. That sounds crazy, Like that didn't make sense
Speaker 1: to me. So I went with the guy in Miami
Speaker 1: and you put a ride in my ship and uh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how that went. So this is after I got
Speaker 1: away from or they didn't pick up my option. The
Speaker 1: second year in Dallas, UM, I get a call from
Speaker 1: you guys go to stay orders um. But the caveat
Speaker 1: about this is it's not guaranteed. We we gotta we
Speaker 1: got a spot for you. Not guaranteed, won't be guaranteed
Speaker 1: until January. So you want it or not. In my mind,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I want to go to the damn or champion.
Speaker 1: I believe it's the year y'all lost three one we
Speaker 1: lost or y'all y'all lost it. But I'm like, I
Speaker 1: want to go to a championship team. Yeah for sure,
Speaker 1: I definitely, I'm definitely going, So I go, and uh,
Speaker 1: that whole experience it changed. It changed on mindset on
Speaker 1: how basketball is supposed to be played in a team aspect.
Speaker 1: It changed on mindset on how it's a players league
Speaker 1: and players communicate with their coaches with their GM and
Speaker 1: full transparency and also just that you know that he's
Speaker 1: the coach, like that college mindset, rather than know this
Speaker 1: is my peer, this is my my my co worker. Um.
Speaker 1: It changed my mindset on that aspect um. And it
Speaker 1: really just showed the championship basketball is about. Hey, it
Speaker 1: changed your your career by far, by far, I changed
Speaker 1: my career. It changed the perspective of I had always
Speaker 1: had that perspective, that chip on my shoulder. This is
Speaker 1: the guy from Checking the Fool. It's the guy who
Speaker 1: made funny plays and this and that. He's not that
Speaker 1: smart and are definitely going to go and stay changed
Speaker 1: the whole three sixty It changed one eight. Really, let's
Speaker 1: talk about that, so Shocked in the Food because this
Speaker 1: is actually something I really want to talk about when
Speaker 1: we when we just got on this call. Obviously no
Speaker 1: one will see this, but Jackson, our producer, asked, Javelle,
Speaker 1: are you on the laptop? Javelle said, and are you
Speaker 1: on a computer? Javelle say, I'm on the laptop. And
Speaker 1: I said to Jackson he was like, okay, cool, and
Speaker 1: Javelle said it yeah, I'm a big tech guy. And
Speaker 1: I said to Jackson, one of the smartest guys when
Speaker 1: it comes to any computer or anything with a computer,
Speaker 1: but really in life, one of the smartest guys I
Speaker 1: know when it comes to these computers. And I said
Speaker 1: all of that to say, you had this reputation of
Speaker 1: like you said, almost like a clown, like Shocked in
Speaker 1: the Fool. It makes these dumb plays. This that another
Speaker 1: now quite frankly, as a part of the media. Now,
Speaker 1: although I don't operate like most media operate. Um. Everything's
Speaker 1: narrative driven, right, Like you get these narratives, they take
Speaker 1: on the life of their own, and quite frankly, in
Speaker 1: the day and age we live in where social media
Speaker 1: dominates everything and everything's a constant tuting for our news cycle,
Speaker 1: those narratives become reality. And this was the This was
Speaker 1: the rise of social media. Also, this is when Twitter,
Speaker 1: when people started, when the NBA started on Twitter, when
Speaker 1: NBA started on Instagram, it started putting it content out
Speaker 1: and figuring out how content works. Absolutely so. So during
Speaker 1: that time, your own shocked in the food every every week,
Speaker 1: every chance, your own shocked in the food. And for
Speaker 1: a while I felt like before you got here, you
Speaker 1: would say something back and forth with Shot. Then once
Speaker 1: you got here, Hey, you're playing great basketball, I mean
Speaker 1: incredible basketball. And the minutes that you're playing, whatever minutes
Speaker 1: that is, whether it was twenty one minutes one night,
Speaker 1: whether it was nine minutes the next night, it was
Speaker 1: twenty four minutes, whatever minutes you play, you played great basketball.
Speaker 1: Then something happened between you and Shock, and like what
Speaker 1: happened to where all of a sudden, now you're not
Speaker 1: on shocked in the food. I mean it felt like
Speaker 1: three times a week, right. Um, it was like a
Speaker 1: last straw I've seen. I've seen an episode. I'm watched
Speaker 1: an episode. No people tag you everything. I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: what I do down? So I watched the episode. I
Speaker 1: think I went coast to coast and I missed the layup.
Speaker 1: I was just like, they just put me in a
Speaker 1: second food for missing a layup. Not araball on the layup,
Speaker 1: not nothing crazy. Just went coast to coast, I might
Speaker 1: have did a move and I just stlay up. I'm
Speaker 1: just like, all right, bro, this is it. Bro, I'm
Speaker 1: not going for this ship anymore. Bro. Like, come on, bro,
Speaker 1: you already had your first of all, your your perennial
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. You know what I'm saying, Like your
Speaker 1: reach is global, like kids kids in villages in China
Speaker 1: know who Shack is. So the fact that you keep
Speaker 1: putting this narrative out there about me, first of all,
Speaker 1: my first question is why do I know somebody you
Speaker 1: know that you feel a certain type of way about
Speaker 1: something or is there a reason that this is happening?
Speaker 1: Like and then at the second, the second part is
Speaker 1: why do this to another black man? That's what really like, like,
Speaker 1: because I don't see you, uh, the white athletes in
Speaker 1: the league. I don't see you hitting them every every
Speaker 1: every time. So um, I believe, I believe I had.
Speaker 1: I had a moment where they when I was on
Speaker 1: Denver and they and they and they interviewed me about it,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, I don't like shacking Nacoon.
Speaker 1: That's just not my thing. I don't like that. Uh.
Speaker 1: And they thought it was funny, yuh huh, skip over it.
Speaker 1: But then they look at it now and they're like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, Okay, he was on to something. He understands
Speaker 1: what's really going on. So at that point, I just
Speaker 1: I just didn't understand why I need to be the
Speaker 1: butt of his jokes. What did I do to him
Speaker 1: to where I need to be? And I went on Twitter.
Speaker 1: I went on Twitter because I knew it would get
Speaker 1: the same reaction as he's getting on mine, and I
Speaker 1: said what I need to say. I told him to
Speaker 1: get off my I believe I put peanut emojis on,
Speaker 1: which you call so wouldn't get fine thinking thinking, of course,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't live my money now, So I said,
Speaker 1: get off my peanut emotives and then we had a
Speaker 1: night back and forth and yeah, that's that's what that was. No,
Speaker 1: and I think uh and by the way, for those
Speaker 1: of you who's going to watch this show, um, I
Speaker 1: used the word koon last year and it was a
Speaker 1: big It was a big deal. I respected that and
Speaker 1: I spoke on it. What you have to understand is
Speaker 1: when when when Javel caught when he said, I don't
Speaker 1: why shocked in a corner or something whatever, the statement was, Hey,
Speaker 1: this is two thousand and thirteen, two thou and fourteen,
Speaker 1: So what you have to understand is the time period
Speaker 1: that that was said, it wouldn't be like if you
Speaker 1: said it today, Like the climate on those things are
Speaker 1: totally different, and so she wasn't looked at as like
Speaker 1: a racially sensitive thing. So I want everybody, all our
Speaker 1: listeners subscribers to understand that because under no circumstance as
Speaker 1: the Draymond Green Show trying to get anyone find or
Speaker 1: in trouble or having to apologize. So we're going to
Speaker 1: address that right now. But in saying that, you came
Speaker 1: out and you said and now I'm fast forward them
Speaker 1: back to when you were to go to State Warriors.
Speaker 1: You said, yo, this is affecting my career, like this
Speaker 1: is this is people are thinking about me just by
Speaker 1: these plays. I go somewhere. It's really affecting my career.
Speaker 1: And I felt like when you said that, to Shock's credit,
Speaker 1: he said, I am not going to put JaVale McGee
Speaker 1: on shocking the fool anymore. And to his credit, to
Speaker 1: my knowledge, he hasn't. Um, do you feel like things
Speaker 1: changed for you once that started happening in a positive light?
Speaker 1: By far? By far? Um? I mean also, winning two
Speaker 1: championships back to back didn't hurt at all, Um, but
Speaker 1: after that, it was it was it was taking up. Okay,
Speaker 1: Javelle's a pro, he's serious about the game. Uh, he's
Speaker 1: locked in. He was a major part of a championship
Speaker 1: run two of com back to back. Um. And then
Speaker 1: after that, I got the starting spot with the Lakers
Speaker 1: after I left you guys, um and and and and
Speaker 1: in my mind, I'm like, starting center, How do you?
Speaker 1: How do you go from being waived three years ago
Speaker 1: from a team to being a starting center on the Lakers. Um?
Speaker 1: And I actually had my best year that year um
Speaker 1: with Lebron Um. I think I had like average twelve
Speaker 1: and eight which is crazy numbers, but for me, that
Speaker 1: was the highest numbers I had, and I was thirty.
Speaker 1: It's also it's also you were averaging a nineteen minutes
Speaker 1: a game, twenty minutes a game. So the per thirty six,
Speaker 1: which a lot of people judge off of per thirty six,
Speaker 1: those averages are probably like twenty and fourteen or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was P thirty six. They were all start numbers,
Speaker 1: I'm sure. Um So, so after that year, UM, I
Speaker 1: resigned the Lakers, UM and I'm also the starting center
Speaker 1: and Ad comes to the team, UM, and we went
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Speaker 1: on me dot after after your first year here, um,
Speaker 1: which I felt like at that time, um DeAndre Jordan's
Speaker 1: still very prominent in the league. Uh arguably at that time,
Speaker 1: not really arguably the best lob thread in the league
Speaker 1: at that time. You solidify yourself as arguably the best
Speaker 1: lob threat in the league. To this day, I always
Speaker 1: tell people best lofthret I ever played with. Um, you
Speaker 1: leave your body, you just throw it up anywhere and see.
Speaker 1: One thing that I don't think people understand is when
Speaker 1: I say best live threat, it's actually you and Andre Dollar.
Speaker 1: But when I say best live threat, it was that
Speaker 1: I could throw it up there and and if you
Speaker 1: can't dunk it. See, most guys you throw a live
Speaker 1: to it, and if they can't dunk it, they miss it,
Speaker 1: the ball go out of bounds something. If you can't
Speaker 1: dunk it, you just grabbed the ball and come back down.
Speaker 1: And so so you you solidify yourself as arguably the
Speaker 1: best live threat in the league. After year one with
Speaker 1: the Warriors, you had offers to go elsewhere for a
Speaker 1: little more money. Yeah what what what made you say, No,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not taking that. I'm gonna come back
Speaker 1: to the Warriors for a second year and and take
Speaker 1: a minimum again. Um, take taste in that championship, man,
Speaker 1: seeing seeing what it took game one to Game eighty
Speaker 1: two to every game in the playoffs, of what it
Speaker 1: took the brotherhood that I felt, the energy, the way
Speaker 1: the Warriors organization treats their players. I had been to
Speaker 1: three four teams, and the Warriors by far, still to
Speaker 1: this day, treat their players the best out of anybody.
Speaker 1: Just one aspect of the way that the Warriors does
Speaker 1: dinners on the road. Yea, I still haven't seen it,
Speaker 1: and I've been on four teams after that. I believe
Speaker 1: we appreciate you, Joe Peter, for sure. Just just the
Speaker 1: aspect of that, being able to to congregate with your teammates,
Speaker 1: not only your teammates, but your teammates friends and family,
Speaker 1: and not worrying about the build, just that order whatever
Speaker 1: you want. We're all just gonna congregate and fellowship and
Speaker 1: really enjoy and that that was one aspect. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I gotta do this again, like a million more ain't
Speaker 1: gonna do it for me. I need to do this again.
Speaker 1: And it worked out. You finished with the Warriors win
Speaker 1: two championships. You didn't leave go to the Lakers second year,
Speaker 1: you win a second championship. But while in La, more
Speaker 1: things happened for you number one. Uh, I feel like
Speaker 1: you and that Lakers team were the first guys to
Speaker 1: really learn how to like monetize social media from an
Speaker 1: NBA perspective, like pre game walking in lifts, um, you
Speaker 1: name it. It's like all of a sudden, you guys
Speaker 1: were producing content for sure? For sure, what was driving that?
Speaker 1: Who was driving that? How did you guys kind of
Speaker 1: fall into that? Like what was the driving forcing that? Um?
Speaker 1: I've always had had an eye for I wanted to
Speaker 1: go to film school when I when I came out
Speaker 1: of car I mean when I came out of high school.
Speaker 1: I wanted to go to USC, but I couldn't go
Speaker 1: to USC because they wanted to red shirt me. I
Speaker 1: wanted to go there for film school, but I understood
Speaker 1: I'm here for basketball. So I was like I gotta
Speaker 1: go somewhere where I can play right away, so I'm
Speaker 1: listening to better. UM. So when I went to the Lakers,
Speaker 1: that's that's Hollywood. You know what I'm saying, Like it's Hollywood.
Speaker 1: The opportunities you get playing just playing for the Lakers.
Speaker 1: I don't care if you're on the bench. Just the
Speaker 1: opportunity of playing for Lakes at a good season or
Speaker 1: a bad season are amazing. UM. And then I started
Speaker 1: this thing where I had who have had Gunner Peterson
Speaker 1: as my weight listing coach um the first year. The
Speaker 1: thing about Gunner is Gunner is a celebrity trainer, so
Speaker 1: content is gunners steam. Gunner loves content like he loves it.
Speaker 1: So I would I would film every lift that I
Speaker 1: would do, and I was lifting every day, so I
Speaker 1: had content every day of three hundred and sixty five
Speaker 1: days of of lifted on my on my page, so
Speaker 1: you would see it workout every day, every day, every day.
Speaker 1: And in the in the process of filming those things,
Speaker 1: I actually had to do those workouts. So I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I'm performing at an elite level also, and I'm getting
Speaker 1: that working, but I'm also getting the content aspect of it.
Speaker 1: And at the same time, other gems are seeing these
Speaker 1: workouts too. They're going on my Instagram seeing this. Other
Speaker 1: other teams are seeing this, coaches are seeing this and
Speaker 1: really seeing how locked in I really am and have been.
Speaker 1: I just never really put it out to the public.
Speaker 1: So when I got to LA, I made sure I
Speaker 1: got a I got uh what is it called content team? Um?
Speaker 1: I had a content team, and I made sure that
Speaker 1: I was putting out gems as much as possible. I like,
Speaker 1: I was watching it at the time, and I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: like you braun, uh, cools like you, you name it,
Speaker 1: guys who are literally producing content, and like you see
Speaker 1: a lot of that now in the NBA. But I
Speaker 1: don't think people realize how like how much of a
Speaker 1: difference three or four years can make, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, Yeah, you see a lot of it
Speaker 1: now three or four years later, but four years ago
Speaker 1: it wasn't like that. Nah. And also kind of throwled
Speaker 1: up on you had to just about to say you
Speaker 1: had to post stuff and be like did we win
Speaker 1: this game? Like you had to really think about that, uh.
Speaker 1: And it was even worse back like my rookie year.
Speaker 1: I used to post stuff on YouTube, but there was
Speaker 1: before YouTube was actually YouTube. I don't even think you
Speaker 1: could monetize YouTube back then. I just liked content and coaches,
Speaker 1: not coaches, but gems and the upper upper staff would
Speaker 1: tell me, like, you need to focus on basketball the
Speaker 1: other things. You don't need to be worrying about that
Speaker 1: content stuff and Twitter and all that stuff before my
Speaker 1: time by far. In the second year, I got the
Speaker 1: opportunity of going to the bubble um when we won
Speaker 1: the championship and I was the blogger. I blogged every
Speaker 1: moment in the bubble and people loved it. They loved
Speaker 1: every moment of me and a teach tyble where the
Speaker 1: two guys who were blogging, but they got knocked out
Speaker 1: the playoffs. I've blogged all the way to the championship,
Speaker 1: something like something like that. Too crazy, uh, I've blogged
Speaker 1: away to the championship to us went into the in
Speaker 1: in locker room celebration. I'm giving you content you will
Speaker 1: never see you. You won't see that until the thirty
Speaker 1: for thirty comes out or you see what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: so you can go back and watch that now. And
Speaker 1: that's just think about that thirty years now. You'll be
Speaker 1: able to go back and watch that and understand what
Speaker 1: mindsets Braun was in eighty was in I was in.
Speaker 1: You can see the different relationships. It's a crazy concept
Speaker 1: and I figured that out early. The funny part is
Speaker 1: it was right before I was packing. I had packed
Speaker 1: all my stuff up. I called my content guy. I'm like,
Speaker 1: should I bring my Should I bring my hul Kennedy?
Speaker 1: He was like, might as well just film the process.
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, cool, I'm gonna do that.
Speaker 1: And I filmed from me getting out the car, kissing
Speaker 1: my girl and my daughter goodbye, getting on the plane
Speaker 1: and going into the bubble if. I filmed from that
Speaker 1: day into the championship, and it was epic. It was epic.
Speaker 1: That's incredible. Man. By the way, you should definitely do
Speaker 1: like like use that put you something together. Man, it
Speaker 1: ain't got to be now because as you know, you
Speaker 1: keep that content forever. But that's gold like because like
Speaker 1: right now, you know, people forget. It's been three or
Speaker 1: four years, people forget. But in ten years, people are
Speaker 1: gonna be like, oh, you remember when this happened, and
Speaker 1: that happened and it led to this, and you got
Speaker 1: some gold on your hands, but for sure, and speaking
Speaker 1: of La, you go to La. Also, some other things
Speaker 1: start to take place for you. You have been into music,
Speaker 1: You've been into music for years, making be making songs. Um,
Speaker 1: you go to LA. You went to Grammy. I'm Grammy nominated. Okay,
Speaker 1: you get nominated for a Grammy. Yeah, I talk about
Speaker 1: that active basketball player, and I say active active in
Speaker 1: the highest way, like winning championships and yeah, being nominated
Speaker 1: for Grammy's Like, talk about that experience. Tell us the song,
Speaker 1: like how it came about, like and also and then
Speaker 1: how you originally got into making beats and doing different
Speaker 1: things with the music. Yeah, So so originally I got
Speaker 1: into music like like like German, I said, I'm a
Speaker 1: take guy, like you said, I'm a big tech guy.
Speaker 1: So once I figured out I've seen online or something
Speaker 1: that you can make music through your computer, I was like, wait, what,
Speaker 1: you don't need a whole mixed board and all this
Speaker 1: crazy machine that you see, you know the old videos
Speaker 1: on you YouTube and Kanye making beats and he runs
Speaker 1: over here and makes another beat. I'm just like, I
Speaker 1: can't afford to get all that stuff, Like I don't.
Speaker 1: But as soon as I found out I think it
Speaker 1: was a college action I bought. I bought maybe a
Speaker 1: six hundred dollars a laptop, I download an fl studio
Speaker 1: and I made some beats and then me and my
Speaker 1: room made made Me like an album and comes out.
Speaker 1: I hope that no one ever finds that we had
Speaker 1: a my space whatever whatever our album cover on it
Speaker 1: and six songs on it was crazy, But I was
Speaker 1: just making beats and it was just something I was
Speaker 1: interested in. It was just another passion of mine. So
Speaker 1: then when I got to the NBA, I had a
Speaker 1: little bread on me. And when he got me an iMac.
Speaker 1: The first thing I downloaded an iMac is Logic Pro,
Speaker 1: which is a beat making a program. So I download that.
Speaker 1: So I'm working on that. I had been working on
Speaker 1: it for at least ten years making beats, but nothing crazy.
Speaker 1: I just I didn't have to feel for it yet,
Speaker 1: just got I didn't really know the ins and out
Speaker 1: of how it really works. I uhould think you just
Speaker 1: use the stock beats. I didn't realize you have to
Speaker 1: meet other producers and other producers that get you drums,
Speaker 1: different sounds to really enhance and you're producing. Once I
Speaker 1: got to go to the state. Actually I was. I
Speaker 1: believe I was playing eight minutes a game, so I
Speaker 1: had a little bit more time than guys like you
Speaker 1: were playing twenty five thirty minutes a game and like that.
Speaker 1: So I was like, Okay, I'm gonna get this basketball done,
Speaker 1: but I got a lot of free time. Let me
Speaker 1: think of different aspects of how I can generate my
Speaker 1: passion and what I'm really into. So then I started
Speaker 1: working with guys around the Oakland area just making music.
Speaker 1: I'm in the studio with i Am Sue, I met
Speaker 1: A Marquis Basie, a lot of a lot of people
Speaker 1: in the Bay that I'm locked in with and and
Speaker 1: the energy it was just amazing. I'm making songs, I'm
Speaker 1: producing songs, and it was just that that vibe. I
Speaker 1: carried that over, that same energy over into La. So
Speaker 1: when I got to La, I was in studios, I
Speaker 1: was meeting A and RS, I was meeting everybody, trying
Speaker 1: to meet as many people as possible while I was
Speaker 1: in that later take advantage of that aspect of playing
Speaker 1: for the Los Angeles Lakers, and in the process, I
Speaker 1: met this uh amazing songwriter named poo Bear, and he's
Speaker 1: justin Bieber's main songwriter I met. I had met poo
Speaker 1: Bear probably four summers before, and I had met him
Speaker 1: in the summer because I was stay in LA in
Speaker 1: the summer, and I paid him thirteen thousand dollars to
Speaker 1: write two songs for me. Never used neither one of
Speaker 1: those songs. Never used neither one of them. But I
Speaker 1: kept the relationship and we were still cool. Blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. So when I got to La, he's like,
Speaker 1: pull up to the studio, like, all right, here, I come.
Speaker 1: I come to the studio. We're getting the studio. I'm
Speaker 1: playing him from samples, playing from some of my beats.
Speaker 1: He hears one of my beats and he tells me
Speaker 1: take the drums off, let me just hear that melody.
Speaker 1: And I'm playing that melody and he's like, all right,
Speaker 1: load this up. So we loaded into look Toto pro
Speaker 1: tools and he just starts writing a song like we
Speaker 1: collad He like, should I say this? Should I say that? Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: say that, say that, And we damned it right. We
Speaker 1: would write the verse, the chorse and the second verse,
Speaker 1: and that's it. That's all I heard of. It wasn't
Speaker 1: no drums on it. Wasn't anything on it. And at
Speaker 1: the time, it wasn't like they come to studio so
Speaker 1: you can make a song for Justin Bieber. Nah, it
Speaker 1: would just come to the studio. So we came to
Speaker 1: So I came and I did that. We made that,
Speaker 1: We made one songs, don't the song made and it
Speaker 1: was over it all right, cool, appreciate it, bro cool, vibe,
Speaker 1: cool session. And that's usually how producing work. People don't understand.
Speaker 1: People think producing it just so they give a beat
Speaker 1: two artists, he uses it and now you're platinum. Nah.
Speaker 1: Being a producer is hard work. You have to be
Speaker 1: in the studio when these artists want to be in
Speaker 1: the studio, and you have to have the type of
Speaker 1: beats that that artist wants to listen or rap or
Speaker 1: sing to when they feel like it. So it's three
Speaker 1: in the morning, like I don't feel like doing trap anymore.
Speaker 1: I want to do an R and B record, Got
Speaker 1: any and put up this laptop. All right, here goes
Speaker 1: some beats. And it's not all I got one beat.
Speaker 1: Here you go, It's got twenty of them I can
Speaker 1: listen to, Like, like you want me to give you
Speaker 1: twenty so you can pick one like it's hard work.
Speaker 1: It is not easy. People think it's just you were
Speaker 1: stars whatever. They just let you. Nah, it's not like that.
Speaker 1: So uh So after that, I get the what partner
Speaker 1: on right now? You are on? H y'all had y'all
Speaker 1: wrote the and y'all wrote the song. Okay, we wrote
Speaker 1: the song. It was just the melody. We wrote the
Speaker 1: song and it was great. So about two, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe two three four months later, my house had got
Speaker 1: had got broken into, um and then Pooh Bear's house
Speaker 1: had got broken into too, So he called me. He
Speaker 1: called me. He's like, I heard your house get broken into.
Speaker 1: Can give you some details, like I'm trying to figure
Speaker 1: out who robbed my house also, So we're just talking
Speaker 1: about that and then at the end of the convo
Speaker 1: he's like, man, I'm sorry to hear that. Blah blahh.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, yeah, you made that album. I'm just
Speaker 1: like what, Like, what are you talking about with album?
Speaker 1: We just talk about any albums or anything. He's like,
Speaker 1: you made the Justin Bieber album. Like, well, that's a
Speaker 1: great way to end this conversation, Like that's fire, Like
Speaker 1: amazed I made a Justin Bieber album. Like and and
Speaker 1: the song on the album is It's on his Changes album,
Speaker 1: which got nominated for a Grammy. And the way that
Speaker 1: Grammy nomination's work is if the album is nominated for
Speaker 1: a Grammy, the producers on that album or nominated for
Speaker 1: a Grammy, the writers on the album the grammar for Grammy,
Speaker 1: and the stingers on that album nominated for a Grammy.
Speaker 1: So that's in turn, how I was nominated for a
Speaker 1: Grammy for being a producer on a Justin Bieber album.
Speaker 1: That's insane. Yeah, Like that's nuts to be on an
Speaker 1: Adjustin Bier album. That's crazy. Um So now, like like
Speaker 1: what's going on with the music now? Um like what
Speaker 1: can we expect? Like are you diving more into the
Speaker 1: music now? Are you taking a break? Like where are
Speaker 1: you with the now? Um? I'm locked in. I'm locked in.
Speaker 1: Um I have I probably got like twenty finished songs
Speaker 1: right now. Uh yeah, and I got some I got
Speaker 1: like five with major artists. But unfortunately, some of the
Speaker 1: major artists are like in the legal trouble right now.
Speaker 1: So that's the thing about rap artists, like you're like
Speaker 1: you never know, like it might be legal trouble, it
Speaker 1: might be this or that. Um, But yeah, I got
Speaker 1: I got a lot of tracks that's just sitting on
Speaker 1: the shelf right now that I need to put out.
Speaker 1: I definitely to lock in and just put them out
Speaker 1: and just see what the world thinks of them. Um,
Speaker 1: But I'm still locked in the music I got. I
Speaker 1: got my little studio set up over here, like everywhere
Speaker 1: I go, I put a studio on my house. And
Speaker 1: before we get out of here, obviously we touched on
Speaker 1: the music, but I just want to really get back
Speaker 1: to basketball before we go for our time is almost up.
Speaker 1: But you went to Dallas Mavericks this year. Um, signed
Speaker 1: a very nice lucrative contract in the offseason, and uh,
Speaker 1: the year hasn't quite gone how you would have expect
Speaker 1: it once you signed a contract. Just what's your what's
Speaker 1: your mindset been like? You know, sometimes you play, sometimes
Speaker 1: you don't, kind of like back dealing with some of
Speaker 1: the stuff that you were dealing with early on in
Speaker 1: your career. What's your mindset been like just going through
Speaker 1: this season? Um, going through it again? Is at this
Speaker 1: age and at this at my tenure, on what I've
Speaker 1: done in the league, the person I am, the man
Speaker 1: I've grown into. How I've matured. Um, it's a lot easy.
Speaker 1: It's I wanna say easier, it's a lot. Uh, it's
Speaker 1: a lot easier to to to to dive into it
Speaker 1: and to and to weave my way through and figure
Speaker 1: out what I need to do to stay professional, to
Speaker 1: make sure I'm still here for my team, to make
Speaker 1: sure that when I do get the opportunity to go
Speaker 1: in there and do what I do, that I'm due
Speaker 1: to the highest ability. I stay in shape. I'm not
Speaker 1: a Unfortunately, some people when when when they get demoted,
Speaker 1: I guess you can say, because I definitely came in
Speaker 1: here to be a starting center. Um, when when when
Speaker 1: they get demoted, they tend to become a cancer to
Speaker 1: a team. Um, And that's never been my my INMO,
Speaker 1: that's never been my my character. My character is I'm
Speaker 1: going to do whatever it takes to win. And personally,
Speaker 1: of course, I feel like if we want to win,
Speaker 1: we need me. But at the same time, I respect
Speaker 1: the Coultures. I respect what they have going on and
Speaker 1: how they want to run the team, knowing I came
Speaker 1: into their system, you know what I'm saying. So I
Speaker 1: respect everybody's decisions. I don't agree with everybody's decisions and
Speaker 1: you don't have to. You live a life to disagree,
Speaker 1: live in free country. You can feel how you want
Speaker 1: to feel. But um, yeah, I'm just here being a pro. Um.
Speaker 1: When they need me, they'll use me, and I will
Speaker 1: be efficient in what I do. Um. And that's how
Speaker 1: I feel about the situation. That's really all I can
Speaker 1: say about the situation. But of course I want to
Speaker 1: play in the end of it. You don't. You don't
Speaker 1: become who you are and what you've gone through not
Speaker 1: wanting to play. I definitely respect that. And honestly, as
Speaker 1: you know, in this league, your opportunity gonna come again,
Speaker 1: whether it's there or sometime in the future, whether it's
Speaker 1: somewhere else, your opportunity gonna come again. But like I said,
Speaker 1: before we get out of here, man, what what what?
Speaker 1: What can we expect from development? Gee? How much long
Speaker 1: are you playing basketball? And then as soon as you
Speaker 1: wrap that up, should we expect you full force, full
Speaker 1: flash into the music business? Like do you want to
Speaker 1: have your own record label? What what can we expect
Speaker 1: moving forward? Um? So I want to play. I want
Speaker 1: to play to the twentieth I want to play to
Speaker 1: my twentieth year. Jesus Christ, my brother. I love a game.
Speaker 1: I love a game. It's so fun and it's so fun.
Speaker 1: It's still as fun as it was when I was
Speaker 1: a kid. Just basketball. It's such an amazing game. It's
Speaker 1: just the camaraderie, just just going in there and and
Speaker 1: banding together with your brothers to fight another band of brothers.
Speaker 1: It's just something I was born to do and I
Speaker 1: love it. Right now, I'm signing to my seventeenth year,
Speaker 1: so hopefully I can extend somewhere for another three years
Speaker 1: and just keep the train rolling. Um. And on the
Speaker 1: music aspect, man, I got so many things I want
Speaker 1: to do with music when I actually have time. Like
Speaker 1: I said, it's a real job. It's not something you
Speaker 1: can dabble in put a toe in it. And I
Speaker 1: have the utmost respect for artists, so much respect. Um.
Speaker 1: I want to do. I want I want to test
Speaker 1: my hand at the A and r at the at
Speaker 1: the at the more. Yeah. Because I have a have
Speaker 1: a beautiful ear for music. I know how to pick
Speaker 1: a artists. There's a lot of artists are popular now
Speaker 1: that I was listening to when before they were popular
Speaker 1: and before they had those platinum hits, and I was
Speaker 1: just like dag and Ar, somewhere I could have signed
Speaker 1: that artist. I could. That's so that's that's my ultimate
Speaker 1: goal when it comes to the music game. Of course,
Speaker 1: to keep producing music, but definitely A and R is
Speaker 1: something that I'm extremely passionate about. That's great, my brother.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on the show just to hear
Speaker 1: your journey what I just learned about the music industry.
Speaker 1: You know, as you know, I have friends in the
Speaker 1: music industry, and for me, it's just always a business
Speaker 1: that I'm continuing to learn. And I used to health
Speaker 1: a business as a fan of music, like to learn
Speaker 1: and understand the business side of it. More and more.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's done something for my ear. I
Speaker 1: feel like it's done something from my appreciation. I feel
Speaker 1: like it's done something for my respect for producers, for artists.
Speaker 1: I always say that about basketball, like basketball fans, like
Speaker 1: if you actually understood the business, Like if you took
Speaker 1: the time to actually learn the business, your outlook on
Speaker 1: it would be totally different. You know, like you will
Speaker 1: see certain things going on, you can better understand them,
Speaker 1: like you'll better understand Guy's rotations, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: this guy isn't playing because he's on the contract year
Speaker 1: and the team on the Lord's number, they can get
Speaker 1: away with it, like just all the different things and
Speaker 1: and I just had the opportunity to learn some of that,
Speaker 1: especially on the music side in this interview. I can't
Speaker 1: thank you enough. Brother. I wish you the best. I
Speaker 1: wish you the best this year as well. I know,
Speaker 1: like like you said, they want to win, you got
Speaker 1: to play, and so I know as they come down
Speaker 1: to it, you'll play. And I appreciate you. Man. Draymond
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