WEBVTT - The Streak Continues vs Brooklyn

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<v Speaker 1>This crowd rises to its me what borrow slam it

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<v Speaker 1>out car left wing free ball perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>Then he left block the shot at the rim pow

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<v Speaker 2>with the left hand head of foul. Welcome to the

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<v Speaker 2>Chase Down Podcast, part of the Caves Media family. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>your host, Justin Rowan. The Chasedown is presented by Fubo,

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<v Speaker 2>Cleveland Cavaliers once again, we're dominant in the clutch, coming

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<v Speaker 2>back against the Brooklyn Nets. Another comeback win, Another clutch win,

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<v Speaker 2>and the fifteenth win in the row, clinching the Central

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<v Speaker 2>Division championship. There or banner, whatever you want to call it.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels like a championship in my heart. Anytime you

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<v Speaker 2>can put the Milwaukee Bucks in the Chicago Bowls behind you.

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<v Speaker 2>Joining me today to discuss that and more my co

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<v Speaker 2>host Carter. He gets, Carter, are you doing? I bumbled

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<v Speaker 2>your name? That was awful?

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<v Speaker 1>Fine a nandy brother, Despite that, you know fifteen wins

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<v Speaker 1>in a row, second second time this season, the six

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<v Speaker 1>team in NBA history to do that, which kind of

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<v Speaker 1>stunning by the way that it's happened that many times.

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<v Speaker 1>They have now won more than half of the regular

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<v Speaker 1>season in win streaks. They have forty two wins worth

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<v Speaker 1>of wind streaks, and that is a lot of wins.

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<v Speaker 2>That is an absolutely crazy stat I gotta be honest,

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<v Speaker 2>I was a little disappointed last night. I had plans

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<v Speaker 2>to go to a concert ended up. You know, my

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<v Speaker 2>my avenue, my hookup to get a ticket ended up

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<v Speaker 2>not working out for me. Looked at the last minute

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<v Speaker 2>tickets three hundred dollars. I'm not spending that. I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not the biggest concert goer, but it was a

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<v Speaker 2>little too deep for me. I was like, oh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the Cats are probably going to blow out the Brooklyn Nets.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I saw, oh, Donovan entire arresting. DeAndre Hunter's got

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<v Speaker 2>you know, an illness, and he's out. This might be

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<v Speaker 2>an interesting game, And you know what, it was a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of up and down game. I thought they actually

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<v Speaker 2>played pretty well in the first quarter. Brooklyn just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>was shooting the lights out. I thought the second quarter

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<v Speaker 2>of the effort kind of dropped off a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>the focus had a bit of a fallof but they

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<v Speaker 2>once again rallied. They showed that they were able to

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<v Speaker 2>you know, put it together when it really mattered and

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<v Speaker 2>came away with a win. I had a fun time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was again I think I said this last episode,

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<v Speaker 1>but like, I'm not even getting annoyed when they're not

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<v Speaker 1>playing well because it's just been that kind of year

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<v Speaker 1>where like, even when they're not playing well, I'm still

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<v Speaker 1>pretty pleased with what I'm watching. And I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was just one of those games where the shots weren't

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<v Speaker 1>going in more than anything. And yeah, and the de

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<v Speaker 1>was definitely a little rough to start the game, but

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<v Speaker 1>I also think they just had some rough shooting variants.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Zion Williams his first fourth rees, but in

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<v Speaker 1>Darius was having another one of those games. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think we do kind of have to start with Darius

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, he did have kind of a Tale

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<v Speaker 1>of two halves sort of game where you know, first

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<v Speaker 1>half happens and you go, uh, man, do we have

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<v Speaker 1>a problem here, you know, because you know he'd been

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<v Speaker 1>shooting like thirty four percent since the hip injury against

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<v Speaker 1>the Knicks, and it wasn't getting a lot better, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>even in games that they were winning, which is all

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<v Speaker 1>of them. Uh, you know, it was a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of mostly rely on, you know, just keeping the engine

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<v Speaker 1>going as opposed to taking over. And you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>saw ty Jerome take down the takeover one of the

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<v Speaker 1>stretches that Donovan sat earlier in this wind streak. We

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<v Speaker 1>saw you know, don him in go nuts. We saw

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<v Speaker 1>DeAndre Hunter go nuts. We've seen a lot of guys

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<v Speaker 1>win games for the Calves and it just hasn't really

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<v Speaker 1>mattered that much that Darius hasn't played well. And I was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we're in the first half and I'm looking

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<v Speaker 1>through the roster and looking through the rotation. I go,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna have to be you, brother, Yeah, And it was.

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<v Speaker 1>He scores. He goes absolutely ballistic in the fourth quarter,

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<v Speaker 1>scores eighteen points, is finishing at the rim, is hitting threes,

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<v Speaker 1>is getting to the line, is diming and completely took

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<v Speaker 1>over and finishes with thirty eight and four in four

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<v Speaker 1>steals as well. So I don't know, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if my like my spidy, my angst senses are all

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<v Speaker 1>the way wiped away because I still think it's been

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<v Speaker 1>hard for him to get going ever since he got hurt.

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<v Speaker 1>But it certainly was nice to see.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he really was nice to see. And you know

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of sentiment of well, it's got to be

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<v Speaker 2>you tonight. I think that was the exact same thing

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<v Speaker 2>that Kenny Atkinson was thinking in that moment. Darius played

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<v Speaker 2>over thirty six minutes in this game. It was the

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<v Speaker 2>second most minutes he's played all season in the game,

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<v Speaker 2>which automatically made me think, how many games did he

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<v Speaker 2>have where he played more than that last season? Sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>is the answer to that, you know, and we're almost

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<v Speaker 2>towards the end of this season and this is the

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<v Speaker 2>second most he's played. But you know, that's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>going in line with what we've heard, you know, Chris

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<v Speaker 2>Fied or Danny Cunny, Hammett and all the wonderful people

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<v Speaker 2>on the beat say that Kenny's plan is for down

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<v Speaker 2>the stretch, which is we're going to have to have

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<v Speaker 2>some nights where these guys do play more minutes. We

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<v Speaker 2>got to get their conditioning up and ready for the playoffs,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, being able to trust Darius in that

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<v Speaker 2>spot where he doesn't have it going. He's missing shots.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he's not able to find that rhythm offensively,

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<v Speaker 2>and for him to step up in that way I

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<v Speaker 2>thought was really encouraging. We talked on the last podcast

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<v Speaker 2>about how not only was Darius slumping, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>last few games, but Donovan's shooting numbers were really down.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even realize this until, you know, it was

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<v Speaker 2>announced that he was resting, but Ty Jerome over the

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<v Speaker 2>last six games had been twenty two of sixty two

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<v Speaker 2>from the field. He was in a slump. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think all of these guards have been in a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of a funk, and that's probably part of

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<v Speaker 2>why we've seen this uneven stretch. But with Darius, there's

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<v Speaker 2>just that more clean line of when this started. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>he had, you know, the first seven games of February's

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<v Speaker 2>shooting forty seven forty eight from the field dominant. Looks

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<v Speaker 2>like he has has that fall against New York, misses

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<v Speaker 2>two games, and then he's been in a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a rut since. And I do think it's worth noting

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<v Speaker 2>over that stretch, he's still had productive games. The playmaking's

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<v Speaker 2>been good, the assistant turnover ratio has been good. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like the defense has been strong, and even over

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<v Speaker 2>those seven games, three of them he's had an above

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<v Speaker 2>leaverage true shooting percentage in those games as well, So

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like last year where there was no impact

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<v Speaker 2>at all. But I do think that it's been a

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<v Speaker 2>different version of Darius than what we've seen all season.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like he's been a no doubter or to

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<v Speaker 1>me an, all NBA level player all year, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>back to being like a pretty good point guard right now,

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<v Speaker 1>right right, And there is a difference between those two things.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, above lee average true shooting percentage isn't

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<v Speaker 2>the standard that he set for himself this season, right,

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<v Speaker 2>It has been a fifty to forty ninety level. So

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<v Speaker 2>I do think the most noteworthy difference really has been

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<v Speaker 2>he's not getting to the rim and into the paint

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<v Speaker 2>at the same rate that he has before. He's had

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<v Speaker 2>halfs where he's only taken three pointers. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if that's. Hey, I'm working my way back from the

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<v Speaker 2>hip and I just don't want to over exert myself

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<v Speaker 2>or what the deal is, but I thought it was

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<v Speaker 2>noteworthy that down the stretch against Brooklyn, he was attacking

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<v Speaker 2>he was getting downhill, he was getting into the paint,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, finishing at the rim, drawing fouls. Can I

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<v Speaker 2>just kick is so funny that we're like, what's wrong

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<v Speaker 2>with Darius? All he's doing is shooting when all we

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<v Speaker 2>wanted him to do for the last three years was

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<v Speaker 2>shoot more. Yeah. Yeah. And you know that goes to

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<v Speaker 2>what we said after the Chicago game, which is in

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<v Speaker 2>the past, a game like that, we probably would have

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<v Speaker 2>interpreted it in a more positive way that hey, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's taking a lot of shots and he's pressing a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. But I prefer that to fading away into

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<v Speaker 2>the background. But the reality is, you know, we have

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<v Speaker 2>a higher standard this season. We have a legitimate chance

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<v Speaker 2>to go out and win a championship this year. So

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<v Speaker 2>you want to find ways to be productive even when

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have it going. I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, go ahead, No, I was agreeing with you. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't have anything that It was just agreeing being

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<v Speaker 1>an active listener.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that's fine. You know, I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>a really really you know, strong performance for him in

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<v Speaker 2>the fourth quarter. I do like the fact that he

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<v Speaker 2>has remained aggressive kind of through this stretch. My inclination,

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<v Speaker 2>whether there is something wrong or not, is hey, it

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<v Speaker 2>might be nice time to get him arrest, Like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Donovan and Ty got their night off here. If he

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<v Speaker 2>rests first Memphis, that's four days off. But I also

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<v Speaker 2>have to acknowledge that some of this is me thinking, well,

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<v Speaker 2>there's some avenue to control this. It's not just a

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<v Speaker 2>shooting slump, right Like, if we rest them, everything's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be fine, right Like, these aren't just the ebbs

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<v Speaker 2>and flows of a season, which in reality that might

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<v Speaker 2>be it. It might just be, hey, you know, working

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<v Speaker 2>your way back, you're a little tired, it's late in

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<v Speaker 2>the season, you're not playing for anything. You're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a little more selective of when you attack the

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<v Speaker 2>basket and when you're going to exert yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you're fatigued, you just don't recover as well, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and this is a bad month for that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think one of the reasons that me and you

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<v Speaker 1>both have our eyes on that, you know, that Memphis

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<v Speaker 1>game is a bit centil Rest game is because they're

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<v Speaker 1>just in constant, perpetual motion all month where they're not

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<v Speaker 1>getting any time just to really sit and recover, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is where the work that these guys

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<v Speaker 1>put in their bodies really pays dividends because it helps

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<v Speaker 1>them recover a little bit faster, but end of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>still hurts to fall on your hip that hard. And

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<v Speaker 1>and I think, I just I just I do just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of want to see that, you know, a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of an extended run of of like the Darius

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<v Speaker 1>we saw, you know, last month, just to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>just to kind of remind ourselves. And you know, again,

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<v Speaker 1>I always joke that I have the memory of a fish,

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<v Speaker 1>and I really do, because it's like you almost every

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<v Speaker 1>time something trends the wrong way, I'm like, it's never

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<v Speaker 1>going to be good again, and everything. Every time something

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<v Speaker 1>is trending the right way, I'm like, we're never going

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<v Speaker 1>to lose.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, even within this game, you know, you get the

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<v Speaker 2>sentiment of, hey, when he doesn't have it going, he's

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<v Speaker 2>not able to pull through. You know, when he's a

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<v Speaker 2>little banged up, he doesn't find ways to be effective.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think he has found ways to be effective

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<v Speaker 2>over the stretch. You know, what he did in the

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<v Speaker 2>fourth quarter was very clearly you know, that kind of switch,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't think it was an effort thing before.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's you know, that extra little bit of lock in,

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<v Speaker 2>dig deep, let's close this out, let's get the win.

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<v Speaker 2>And I thought it was interesting that basically that was

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<v Speaker 2>a team wide approach. Kenny Atkinson really only played eight

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<v Speaker 2>games or eight guys in this game. Javonte Grain got

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<v Speaker 2>some run, you know, kind of our first hidden misstretch

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<v Speaker 2>of him in his time with the Cavs. He had

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<v Speaker 2>that blown dunk attempt, and there was a couple other

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<v Speaker 2>times where he went flying and the results were sometimes positive,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes negative. But you know, that's probably a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more closer to reality and what you'd expect. But Kenny

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<v Speaker 2>really leaned on the top guys, Darius playing over thirty

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<v Speaker 2>six minutes, Helen and Mobley playing thirty four minutes, Isaaco

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<v Speaker 2>Coorro played a lot of time here. He really kind of,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, with guys out, went with that shorter rotation

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<v Speaker 2>rather than putting in someone like a Jalen Tyson.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I thought that was interesting, you know, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>because earlier I do think you're right that it was

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<v Speaker 1>a byproduct of him trying to get these guys a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more run rather than because my first INSTINCTU was, Oh,

0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:31.040
<v Speaker 1>Kenny really wanted to win this. He basically played eight guys,

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<v Speaker 1>which he hasn't done all year unless we were down

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<v Speaker 1>like six rotation players, right, And the more I thought

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<v Speaker 1>about the more it became a little clear to me

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<v Speaker 1>that like, oh, well he didn't do this when we

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<v Speaker 1>were down like five or six rotation players. Why is that?

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<v Speaker 1>And I do think you're right, you know, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how I feel about it at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the day, Like I probably would have liked to see

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<v Speaker 1>a little Jalen Tyson just given him a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of run, but like it, there clearly is a little

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<v Speaker 1>method to the madness of like, no, we're gonna try

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<v Speaker 1>to win this game. And I do also think this

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<v Speaker 1>was the game where maybe the story of the game

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<v Speaker 1>kind of told the story of the rotations, where they

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<v Speaker 1>were locking down with that starting lineup and he was

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<v Speaker 1>going to ride him. I mean, yet another second half

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<v Speaker 1>where they just put the clams on. They have a

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<v Speaker 1>one o eight defensive rating in the second half in

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<v Speaker 1>the last ten games, and it definitely feels like it.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I thought that was an interesting choice rotationally,

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<v Speaker 1>just to be like no, no, no one knew, We're

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<v Speaker 1>just gonna play with the guys that we expect to

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<v Speaker 1>play with win games matter. Yeah, and you know that

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<v Speaker 1>deficit that they went into was with Darius on the

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<v Speaker 1>bench as well, right, Like you look at it on

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<v Speaker 1>the night, they were plus twelve with Darius on the court,

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<v Speaker 1>team best by a pretty good margin. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if Kenny's going to pick spots where hey, we want

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<v Speaker 1>to get our guys more minutes, we want them to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of ramp up a little bit and get ready

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<v Speaker 1>for the postseason, picking your one game this month where

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<v Speaker 1>you have two days off after is probably a sensible

0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:14.840
<v Speaker 1>spot to do that, right, Like, I think that's probably

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<v Speaker 1>part of the equation there as well. I'm so selfish

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<v Speaker 1>that I was like, man, two days off, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I remembered, oh yeah, it's the only time for the

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<v Speaker 1>next like thirty days. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and you know, from my perspective, I'm in the

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<v Speaker 2>same boat as you. I would have liked to have

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<v Speaker 2>another game this week, even if it was a back

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<v Speaker 2>to back here afterthing.

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<v Speaker 1>Else, just for the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Its brutal for the podcast, Yeah, because we have the

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<v Speaker 2>one game against the Nets, which you know, this isn't

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a playoff opponent. For them, and then

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<v Speaker 2>two days off until Memphis, which I do find it

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<v Speaker 2>interesting that last time we played Memphis, we're like, okay,

0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:55.440
<v Speaker 2>this is a test, right like number two seed in

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<v Speaker 2>the Western Conference. You know, we we really we got

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of anker down here and get this win.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe Darius at that game still went out and won,

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<v Speaker 2>still beat Memphis. Jaron's not there. It's really kind of

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<v Speaker 2>taking some era of the balloon there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a game they should win now, assuming they're

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<v Speaker 1>not sitting a bunch of people. So Memphis fans might

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<v Speaker 1>accuse Darius of duck and the smoke he missed as another.

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<v Speaker 2>One you might. You know, this is that that probably competition.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you could call it a competition. I would

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<v Speaker 2>just call it Daris. I might even say the best

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<v Speaker 2>player in that class. But you know that's that's me.

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<v Speaker 1>I should.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, but before we move off of Daris,

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<v Speaker 2>I do think we need to talk about just how

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<v Speaker 2>good he's been in the clutch. You know, whether it's

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<v Speaker 2>an on game or an off game, he has stepped

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<v Speaker 2>up in those moments. I saw the NBA account tweeted

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<v Speaker 2>out that among players that have over eighty clutch points

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<v Speaker 2>this season, he leads them with the best field goal

0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:04.760
<v Speaker 2>percentage in that time, he's shooting fifty eight point seven percent.

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<v Speaker 2>There's twelve players, So when I saw eighty points in

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<v Speaker 2>the clutch, I was like, how many guys have actually

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<v Speaker 2>done that? There's twelve guys that have done it, Trey Young,

0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:19.360
<v Speaker 2>Jalen Brunson, Maxi, DeRozan, and Jokic, Fox Curry, KDDG, Hero

0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:22.960
<v Speaker 2>and Tatum, and I thought it was noteworthy that not

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<v Speaker 2>only does Darius have the best field goal percentage, he

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<v Speaker 2>is the best three point percentage in that stretch. If

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<v Speaker 2>you look at free throw shooting, you know, only Steph

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<v Speaker 2>Katie and DeRozan are better from the free throw line

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<v Speaker 2>in the clutch.

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<v Speaker 1>It includes that disaster just one of three performance against Houston.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, almost all of those misses that he's had this

0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:45.760
<v Speaker 2>season came in that one game. But he's shooting eighty

0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:48.040
<v Speaker 2>eight percent from the free throw line in that moment,

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, he's doing it in every single facet

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<v Speaker 2>in the clutch, and his defense has been great. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think back to, you know, some of the steals

0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:00.880
<v Speaker 2>he had in those moments. It was that great one

0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:03.640
<v Speaker 2>against Boston where he basically was playing like a defensive back.

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<v Speaker 2>He's been doing it all in the clutch, and I

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<v Speaker 2>just think it makes me think back to the last

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<v Speaker 2>couple of years where the numbers weren't as strong, and

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<v Speaker 2>we argue, you know, some of this is variants, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say this, even on this end, I don't think,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, this is who Darius is and he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to shoot sixty percent in the clutch for the rest

0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.159
<v Speaker 2>of his career or anything like this. There is some

0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:27.560
<v Speaker 2>luck when it comes to performing in these moments, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think the mentality to attack at that time, to

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<v Speaker 2>not be afraid of taking those shots and being aggressive,

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<v Speaker 2>having composure, I feel like he's been much much better

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<v Speaker 2>in those areas this season.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the composure thing definitely shines through, because I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>some of these are open looks that are being generated

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<v Speaker 1>by the overall health of the offense big time. But

0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:55.000
<v Speaker 1>I do think he his ISO possessions, which he's never

0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:56.679
<v Speaker 1>been a great ISO player, and I don't think he

0:17:56.760 --> 0:18:01.000
<v Speaker 1>is this year either, but he is doing a lot

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<v Speaker 1>better job of setting up winning possessions for him before

0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:09.520
<v Speaker 1>the shot goes up. He is you know, he's pulling

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<v Speaker 1>the string he is getting guys on their heels and

0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:15.520
<v Speaker 1>then stopping. He's not just trying to put a couple

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<v Speaker 1>combos on a guy then get past him. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like he's gotten really clean angles on a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of these attacks. He's finding the right switches. He's

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<v Speaker 1>been threatening enough with the pass that teams are worrying

0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:32.720
<v Speaker 1>about that, so he's still getting you know, he's not

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<v Speaker 1>doing the predetermined I'm going to try to score here

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<v Speaker 1>no matter what thing. So like, I just feel like

0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:42.920
<v Speaker 1>he hasn't had to take a lot of tremendously difficult

0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:47.920
<v Speaker 1>shots in that plutch sample so far this season. It's

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<v Speaker 1>been nice that he's hit a lot of those tremendously

0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:55.080
<v Speaker 1>difficult shots as well, but like that's not what they're

0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:56.320
<v Speaker 1>building the whole plane out of.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, I think that's true of Donovan

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<v Speaker 2>as well. Right, Neither of them are particularly strong this

0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:06.200
<v Speaker 2>year in isolation. Darius is in the forty eight percentile,

0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:09.359
<v Speaker 2>Donovan's in the sixty six percentile. Ty jeromes in the

0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:16.080
<v Speaker 2>ninety seventh, which absolutely tracks unstoppable. That completely feels that way.

0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:20.639
<v Speaker 2>But I think you pointing out the process is so

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<v Speaker 2>important because that was one of our main criticisms in

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<v Speaker 2>the clutch was, hey, they're running this clock down too

0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:30.760
<v Speaker 2>long and there's five seconds left. They have to jack

0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:33.320
<v Speaker 2>up a shot with a long defender on them, and

0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Darius and Donovan are not getting good shots in the spot.

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<v Speaker 2>Now they're playing with pace, they're playing with tempo. Even

0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:43.359
<v Speaker 2>in the clutch. They're allowing and trusting the offense to

0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:46.080
<v Speaker 2>generate better looks for them. And I think that you're

0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:49.800
<v Speaker 2>seeing better results because of that, right. I think so

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<v Speaker 2>often the lazy conversations when it comes to the clutch

0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:56.600
<v Speaker 2>and you know, star players and all that is all right,

0:19:56.640 --> 0:19:59.480
<v Speaker 2>it's something that's genetic, right, it's you either have it

0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:03.399
<v Speaker 2>or you don't. Don't when really the the context that

0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:06.560
<v Speaker 2>you're in your trust of the system, whether you are

0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:09.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, being supported by your teammates. Like I think

0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:12.720
<v Speaker 2>Donovan he deserves credit for Darius's numbers in the clutch.

0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:15.919
<v Speaker 2>I does think Mobili deserves credit for his numbers in

0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:20.119
<v Speaker 2>the clutch, Darius's ability to play off of those guys

0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:23.120
<v Speaker 2>and keep defenders guessing on am I going to pass

0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:25.000
<v Speaker 2>it to mobiley Am I going to pass it to Alan.

0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:28.480
<v Speaker 2>I have to account for Donovan Mitchell that all of

0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:31.879
<v Speaker 2>those factors contribute to him being so good in this spot.

0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:34.320
<v Speaker 2>So I don't think it is as simple as, oh,

0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:37.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, he just built this way, right.

0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:40.240
<v Speaker 1>I do think, you know, like sometimes it's not built

0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:42.360
<v Speaker 1>this way. But a lot of it is your mentality.

0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:44.320
<v Speaker 1>Like I do you think there are guys who you

0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:48.560
<v Speaker 1>don't want to shoot, like because you're not sure they're gonna,

0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:52.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, get tight in a big moment. I do

0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:55.280
<v Speaker 1>think there is some part of that that guys have

0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:58.960
<v Speaker 1>to work through. But like that's the experience of reps.

0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:02.879
<v Speaker 1>You know, you take your first game winning shot, You're

0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:05.120
<v Speaker 1>probably gonna be pretty nervous walking on that floor out

0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:08.080
<v Speaker 1>at the time out you take. You get a lot

0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:11.160
<v Speaker 1>of reps in these situations over the you know, four

0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:13.639
<v Speaker 1>or five years DG's been in the league. Well, then

0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:15.720
<v Speaker 1>it gets a lot easier, you know, you just it

0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:17.679
<v Speaker 1>gets a little bit more routine. Then you have the

0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:22.399
<v Speaker 1>culture piece of if I take a shot that is

0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:26.119
<v Speaker 1>in miss is my coach going to be side eyeing me?

0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Are my teammates going to be side eyeing me? I mean,

0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:33.480
<v Speaker 1>if if there's been a criticism levied against Lebron over

0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:35.880
<v Speaker 1>the course of his career that I thought was fair

0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:38.439
<v Speaker 1>is like, man, you mess up with him three or

0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:40.000
<v Speaker 1>four times in a row, you're just not going to

0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:43.240
<v Speaker 1>get the ball anymore, you know, Like and like guys,

0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:46.639
<v Speaker 1>who are who might you know, Like if he doesn't

0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:49.280
<v Speaker 1>trust you to hit the open three, it's just like

0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:54.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of devastating. And I do think they're like so

0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:56.639
<v Speaker 1>like there's all these different factors that come into how

0:21:56.680 --> 0:21:59.479
<v Speaker 1>you're going to play. It's do you have a good,

0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:01.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, offensive system that you can depend on. Do

0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:03.760
<v Speaker 1>you have the talent, do you have the reps, Do

0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:06.399
<v Speaker 1>you have the confidence? Do you have the culture that

0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:09.399
<v Speaker 1>will support you when you fail? Because you're gonna fail

0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:13.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot, Like I mean, most people shoot, like you know,

0:22:13.520 --> 0:22:15.720
<v Speaker 1>some of the best players in NBA history shoot like

0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:20.199
<v Speaker 1>forty percent from the field and game winning situations if that,

0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:24.280
<v Speaker 1>because this stuff is really really those are going to

0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:28.639
<v Speaker 1>be the most difficult shots in the game always. So

0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:32.400
<v Speaker 1>I just think it's this big top cocktail of factors

0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:37.080
<v Speaker 1>that you know, for whatever reason, uh, they got the

0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:38.840
<v Speaker 1>right alchemy for Darius this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I totally agree with that. You know, joked about

0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:45.400
<v Speaker 2>it a little bit on the last podcast that Hey

0:22:45.440 --> 0:22:47.720
<v Speaker 2>they're they're just keeping these games close, and they're having

0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:50.280
<v Speaker 2>comeback just so that they can practice these late game

0:22:50.320 --> 0:22:52.560
<v Speaker 2>scenarios right, just so that they can get the reps

0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:53.480
<v Speaker 2>and get that money.

0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:56.879
<v Speaker 1>I don't think Darius agrees, because he basically said to Serena,

0:22:56.920 --> 0:22:58.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm sick of comebacks.

0:22:58.920 --> 0:23:02.040
<v Speaker 2>Can think of the low starts, which you know, I

0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:06.040
<v Speaker 2>looked into it. The Calves prior to the All Star Break,

0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:09.440
<v Speaker 2>with the number two team in first quarter net rating,

0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:13.560
<v Speaker 2>they outscored opponents by these sixteen point seven points per

0:23:13.560 --> 0:23:16.640
<v Speaker 2>one hundred possessions. In that time. Since the All Star Break,

0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:19.920
<v Speaker 2>they are only seventh in first quarter net rating plus

0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:24.480
<v Speaker 2>seven point three. So yeah, they have been worse to

0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:26.119
<v Speaker 2>start off games, and I think some of that has

0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:29.480
<v Speaker 2>been focused more than anything. I think part of it is, hey,

0:23:29.760 --> 0:23:32.560
<v Speaker 2>Darius isn't shooting well, Donovan isn't shooting well, Tie isn't

0:23:32.560 --> 0:23:35.359
<v Speaker 2>shooting well. When that's the case, you're going to have

0:23:35.400 --> 0:23:36.960
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a slump, you're going to be

0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:37.880
<v Speaker 2>a little uneven.

0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:41.240
<v Speaker 1>But you know, as we said on the last podcast,

0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:44.280
<v Speaker 1>though really nice to be winners of fifteen in a

0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:45.800
<v Speaker 1>row when you're slumping.

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<v Speaker 2>No kidding, you know, It just goes to show you

0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:51.600
<v Speaker 2>how high the floor is. And it's funny because you

0:23:51.640 --> 0:23:53.159
<v Speaker 2>look at how good the Calves have been in the

0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:56.560
<v Speaker 2>clutch this season. They are twentieth in terms of how

0:23:56.600 --> 0:23:59.320
<v Speaker 2>many clutch games they've been in, but they are number

0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:02.639
<v Speaker 2>one clutch wins. They have twenty wins in the clutch

0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:05.280
<v Speaker 2>this season, right, sorry, twenty two wins in the clutch

0:24:05.320 --> 0:24:09.480
<v Speaker 2>this season. The outscore opponents by thirty seven point nine

0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:12.719
<v Speaker 2>points per one hundred possessions. In those scenarios, they have

0:24:12.760 --> 0:24:15.199
<v Speaker 2>a one to thirty nine point five offensive rating and

0:24:15.240 --> 0:24:17.800
<v Speaker 2>a one to one point six d rating.

0:24:18.040 --> 0:24:21.000
<v Speaker 1>That is just have it. An offensive rating in the

0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:24.919
<v Speaker 1>clutch eleven points better than the best offensive player of

0:24:24.920 --> 0:24:29.320
<v Speaker 1>his generation in Nikolay Jokic is pretty freaking phenomenal.

0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:33.199
<v Speaker 2>It's this team's pretty damn good, Carter. I don't know

0:24:33.200 --> 0:24:36.600
<v Speaker 2>if you've heard some rumors about it, but they they

0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:38.480
<v Speaker 2>get it done. And you know the funny thing with

0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Darius two, you look at what he's done in the

0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:43.600
<v Speaker 2>clutch this season. I do think that there is a

0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:46.920
<v Speaker 2>difference between the last five minutes within five points and

0:24:47.359 --> 0:24:49.359
<v Speaker 2>the last minute of the game when everything is on

0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:51.800
<v Speaker 2>the line and you're within five points, so I was like,

0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:54.600
<v Speaker 2>let's filter that down. How's he doing in the last minute.

0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:57.240
<v Speaker 2>He is shooting seven of nine from the field, three

0:24:57.240 --> 0:24:59.960
<v Speaker 2>of three from three, and sixteen of twenty from the

0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:02.720
<v Speaker 2>free throw line. Again, all of those misses basically coming

0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:03.359
<v Speaker 2>versus Houston.

0:25:03.600 --> 0:25:05.960
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be a real bummer that he's not gonna

0:25:06.000 --> 0:25:10.199
<v Speaker 1>win Clutch Player of the Year, which is an award

0:25:10.240 --> 0:25:12.720
<v Speaker 1>I never cared about because it only has existed for

0:25:12.840 --> 0:25:15.439
<v Speaker 1>like two years. But just on the back of the

0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Cavs haven't played enough clutch minutes. Yeah, you know, because

0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:22.040
<v Speaker 1>they are twenty seventh. They've only played ninety three minutes

0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:26.400
<v Speaker 1>in the clutch so far this season. And you know,

0:25:26.800 --> 0:25:29.639
<v Speaker 1>the Knicks were in took close games every five minutes,

0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:33.879
<v Speaker 1>are eighth. So Brunston's gonna win it, and that's fine.

0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:37.440
<v Speaker 2>The silly thing about that is they have the most

0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:41.080
<v Speaker 2>clutch wins. They have the most clutch wins this season.

0:25:41.320 --> 0:25:43.000
<v Speaker 1>We have the most everything, justin.

0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:48.919
<v Speaker 2>Why do you get punished for entering clutch time another

0:25:48.960 --> 0:25:51.439
<v Speaker 2>team's close to you and you punch them in the

0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:54.640
<v Speaker 2>mouth and you get out of that clutch time? Why

0:25:54.760 --> 0:25:57.440
<v Speaker 2>is it a benefit and why Is it a reflection

0:25:57.600 --> 0:25:59.919
<v Speaker 2>of you know, your nerves, the steel and your ability

0:25:59.920 --> 0:26:03.880
<v Speaker 2>to get it done in the clutch. If you mess around,

0:26:04.280 --> 0:26:07.760
<v Speaker 2>let that team hang around and go down to the

0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:11.800
<v Speaker 2>wire pad those stats less efficiently. Why is that?

0:26:12.000 --> 0:26:16.439
<v Speaker 1>You want to know the real answer? Right, Maybe the

0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:18.679
<v Speaker 1>real answer is is not that serious of an award.

0:26:22.440 --> 0:26:24.840
<v Speaker 2>You're probably right. They probably just filter who has the

0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:27.000
<v Speaker 2>most clutch points this season and that's it.

0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:29.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they just made it up. They made it up

0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:32.920
<v Speaker 1>like five minutes ago, made it up for as long

0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:36.120
<v Speaker 1>as clutch time exists in an NBA game. You know what, Carter,

0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:38.600
<v Speaker 1>just because something hasn't been around a long time doesn't

0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:39.760
<v Speaker 1>mean it doesn't have value.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, what a year. What a year.

0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:02.840
<v Speaker 2>But we talked about the win. We talked about you know,

0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:04.720
<v Speaker 2>Darius and how it was a bit of a top

0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:08.440
<v Speaker 2>heavy performance. But I think we would be not doing

0:27:08.480 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 2>our jobs if we weren't giving credits to the bigs.

0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Kevin Mowbley and Jared Allen were fantastic last night.

0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they were unbelievable. I mean Jared especially. I mean

0:27:19.760 --> 0:27:22.840
<v Speaker 1>Kenny said Jared was the MVP for them, and I

0:27:22.880 --> 0:27:25.840
<v Speaker 1>couldn't agree more. I thought he was the biggest reason

0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:28.919
<v Speaker 1>that they were locking Brooklyn down on the other end

0:27:28.960 --> 0:27:32.879
<v Speaker 1>of the floor. I thought his rebounding was phenomenal. I

0:27:32.880 --> 0:27:37.439
<v Speaker 1>thought his finishing was phenomenal, both hands, ducking through, catching

0:27:37.480 --> 0:27:41.120
<v Speaker 1>on the boot, move, finishing at the ram, get into

0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:45.560
<v Speaker 1>the line. I got eleven free throws justin you know,

0:27:45.600 --> 0:27:47.880
<v Speaker 1>they don't win that game in a game where they

0:27:47.880 --> 0:27:50.639
<v Speaker 1>can't hit the broadside of the barn. They ten to

0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:53.600
<v Speaker 1>forty two from three. They don't win that game without

0:27:53.600 --> 0:27:56.879
<v Speaker 1>some freebies. And you know, JA hitting nine of his

0:27:56.960 --> 0:28:02.119
<v Speaker 1>eleven is like really really important. So particularly when you

0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:04.720
<v Speaker 1>know there's concerns about how's the hand doing, He's going

0:28:04.880 --> 0:28:06.840
<v Speaker 1>just left a little bit more. Yeah, And I want

0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:08.600
<v Speaker 1>to talk about that because I just think we generally

0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:12.399
<v Speaker 1>should have a rest conversation and and you know, how

0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:16.760
<v Speaker 1>how to attack the rest of the season. Seventeen games left,

0:28:17.320 --> 0:28:20.840
<v Speaker 1>but uh yeah, I mean the hand definitely still is

0:28:20.880 --> 0:28:23.040
<v Speaker 1>not all the way right. So the fact that he

0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:26.080
<v Speaker 1>really I thought, I thought he, you know, Darius was

0:28:26.160 --> 0:28:31.000
<v Speaker 1>the the sizzle. Jared was the steak in that win.

0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:34.600
<v Speaker 1>He was phenomenal. Evan also very very good, just had

0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:36.080
<v Speaker 1>a bit of a quieter second half.

0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:39.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Evan was that nice tall glass of wine that

0:28:39.440 --> 0:28:40.440
<v Speaker 2>complimented the steak.

0:28:41.280 --> 0:28:45.960
<v Speaker 1>That's nice. Let's just keep this analogy going. Yeah, yeah,

0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Jarry's phenomenal. Yeah.

0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:50.960
<v Speaker 2>I thought Jared was really really good on the night.

0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:53.920
<v Speaker 2>I noticed early on, you know, going back to that hand,

0:28:53.960 --> 0:28:55.520
<v Speaker 2>there was a couple of times where he had the

0:28:55.600 --> 0:28:57.920
<v Speaker 2>right hook and kind of forced his way back to

0:28:57.960 --> 0:29:00.800
<v Speaker 2>the left to go up that way. So that's you know,

0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:03.640
<v Speaker 2>when we're doing the body doctor stuff that that's the

0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:05.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff that I really noticed.

0:29:05.480 --> 0:29:09.120
<v Speaker 1>Prestling Gardens and the YouTube chat just said o'koro was

0:29:09.160 --> 0:29:10.200
<v Speaker 1>the green beans.

0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:15.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh, he was absolutely the green beans. Well stock taken asparagus,

0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:20.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, yeah, no little you know, graded parmesan on

0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:25.160
<v Speaker 2>the asparagus. Yeah. I thought that's exactly what he brought

0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:27.680
<v Speaker 2>to the table, which, you know, what what a perfect

0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:30.440
<v Speaker 2>before you know, I'll get back to the Bigs in

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:33.680
<v Speaker 2>a moment, but you know, they jog my memory here,

0:29:33.920 --> 0:29:37.880
<v Speaker 2>what a perfect game. After our conversation about o'coro about

0:29:37.880 --> 0:29:41.080
<v Speaker 2>how the way he's been used makes us less reliant

0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:43.959
<v Speaker 2>on the three point shot to determine whether or not

0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 2>he's going to have an effective game, he goes oh

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 2>five from the three point line. But everybody that watched

0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:52.520
<v Speaker 2>that game saw the impact that Okoro had. He was

0:29:52.560 --> 0:29:54.920
<v Speaker 2>making the right reads as a passer, He got three

0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:58.720
<v Speaker 2>offensive rebounds, he got some steals. The defensive impact was

0:29:58.760 --> 0:30:01.480
<v Speaker 2>absolutely there. I thought it was a terrific game from

0:30:01.520 --> 0:30:04.479
<v Speaker 2>o'corl And as much as I would have liked some

0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:07.040
<v Speaker 2>of those threes to drop, I thought it was just

0:30:07.160 --> 0:30:10.400
<v Speaker 2>a perfect encapsulation of what we talked about on the

0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:11.200
<v Speaker 2>last podcast.

0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:15.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was phenomenal. Honestly, he was so phenomenal that

0:30:15.680 --> 0:30:19.200
<v Speaker 1>every time Cam Thomas got up a shot where he

0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:22.120
<v Speaker 1>wasn't being guarded by o'coro, I was kind of sitting

0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:26.080
<v Speaker 1>on my couch being like, what are we doing? Go

0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:28.640
<v Speaker 1>put the guy who guards him on him.

0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:33.160
<v Speaker 2>Ever since, ever since Terry Rogier fell off a cliff,

0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:35.360
<v Speaker 2>Cam Thomas is now that guy that just kind of

0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:36.960
<v Speaker 2>freaks me out every time shot.

0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:41.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's terrifying, so, like you know, and whether it

0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:45.280
<v Speaker 1>was Darius, whether it was Meyrill, whether whoever it was,

0:30:46.040 --> 0:30:48.520
<v Speaker 1>Cam Thomas just was shooting like they weren't there, you know,

0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:51.680
<v Speaker 1>And when o'corra was on them, it changed the changed

0:30:51.760 --> 0:30:55.600
<v Speaker 1>his night, you know, and I just I wanted to

0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:58.640
<v Speaker 1>see more. I thought he was really really impactful defensively.

0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:00.760
<v Speaker 1>I think you're right that it was kind of the

0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:05.280
<v Speaker 1>perfect follow up to our conversation where he was making

0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:07.680
<v Speaker 1>his impact all over. It's hard to go three of

0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:10.240
<v Speaker 1>ten and zero for five from three as a starting

0:31:10.280 --> 0:31:14.320
<v Speaker 1>shooting guard V plus seven if you're not doing everything

0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:15.400
<v Speaker 1>else really really well.

0:31:16.160 --> 0:31:20.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, and you know, I think the impact that

0:31:20.240 --> 0:31:22.800
<v Speaker 2>he had on the defensive end, both the bigs, I

0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:26.240
<v Speaker 2>thought they were terrific defensively. And you know, through this

0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:29.120
<v Speaker 2>winning streak with the Cavs slumping a little bit, I

0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:33.440
<v Speaker 2>think it's noteworthy to kind of point out the issues

0:31:33.480 --> 0:31:35.720
<v Speaker 2>are kind of coming on the offensive end, right. They've

0:31:35.760 --> 0:31:38.480
<v Speaker 2>fallen off just a little bit in their consistency there.

0:31:38.720 --> 0:31:41.240
<v Speaker 2>They've had a few off shooting nights You'll look at

0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:43.680
<v Speaker 2>since the All Star break. They still do have the

0:31:43.800 --> 0:31:46.840
<v Speaker 2>number one net rating since the All Star Break. Makes sense.

0:31:46.880 --> 0:31:50.560
<v Speaker 2>They haven't lost a game, but they're third offensively and

0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:52.800
<v Speaker 2>they are number two in defense. They've been better on

0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:56.440
<v Speaker 2>defense than they have been offensively, and I think some

0:31:56.600 --> 0:31:59.320
<v Speaker 2>of that is they've been very healthy. Right, They've had

0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:03.920
<v Speaker 2>both bigs consistently. Isaac Okoru is back playing within the lineup.

0:32:04.160 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 2>DeAndre Hunter has undoubtedly had an impact on the defensive end,

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:11.720
<v Speaker 2>and just even when they're slumping, even when they're not

0:32:11.840 --> 0:32:15.600
<v Speaker 2>playing particularly well on the offensive end and they're falling behind,

0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:19.080
<v Speaker 2>usually they're falling behind because the shots aren't falling in

0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:21.800
<v Speaker 2>the offense. Isn't there. Maybe they've had a couple turnovers

0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:24.280
<v Speaker 2>and gave up fast break fast break points or an

0:32:24.280 --> 0:32:27.600
<v Speaker 2>offensive rebound, but it generally hasn't been. Hey, these guys

0:32:27.640 --> 0:32:30.640
<v Speaker 2>aren't trying on the defensive end. The consistent effort on

0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:33.160
<v Speaker 2>the defensive side of the floor has been what's allowed

0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:36.120
<v Speaker 2>them to get back into these games and ultimately win them.

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:39.920
<v Speaker 1>Can I know a little something something? What's that most

0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:47.160
<v Speaker 1>All Star Break? Oklahoma City thunder sixteenth in defense? You know, Carter,

0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:51.040
<v Speaker 1>if you know what? And what I'm gonna say is

0:32:51.080 --> 0:32:55.959
<v Speaker 1>a very take, motivated take. It's not the most good

0:32:56.000 --> 0:32:58.280
<v Speaker 1>self aware. That's good self aware. That the most objective

0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:02.680
<v Speaker 1>take I've ever thrown out there. Maybe playing two bigs

0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:05.160
<v Speaker 1>on defense isn't as easy as everyone says it is.

0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:07.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm glad that's the angle you took. I was

0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:09.840
<v Speaker 2>going to say, you know, cuz you.

0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:13.040
<v Speaker 1>Know home Grin gets back, Everyone's like, oh, with him

0:33:13.080 --> 0:33:16.120
<v Speaker 1>at the four and Hardenstein at the five, no one's

0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:20.640
<v Speaker 1>going to be able to score on them. And I mean,

0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:22.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm a it's not like I've looked at the lineup data. Again,

0:33:23.000 --> 0:33:26.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm not this is not a good faith take, but like,

0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:30.120
<v Speaker 1>I just think it's noteworthy that maybe not everyone can

0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:31.320
<v Speaker 1>do it the way we do it.

0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:35.680
<v Speaker 2>I think it's a fair point. Now looking at the numbers, now,

0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:39.680
<v Speaker 2>chet and Hernstein have played one hundred and forty three

0:33:39.720 --> 0:33:42.040
<v Speaker 2>minutes together. They have a one to fifteen defensive rating

0:33:42.080 --> 0:33:45.280
<v Speaker 2>in that time plus twelve point three nets. So offense

0:33:45.320 --> 0:33:48.240
<v Speaker 2>has been crushing at one twenty seven, but the defense

0:33:48.280 --> 0:33:49.440
<v Speaker 2>hasn't necessarily been there.

0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:52.880
<v Speaker 1>And maybe it's really maybe it's hard to lose all

0:33:52.920 --> 0:33:57.000
<v Speaker 1>the mobility and switchiness of a Jared Allen Evan Mobley

0:33:57.600 --> 0:34:00.320
<v Speaker 1>front court. Maybe it's a little harder when you're you're

0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:02.560
<v Speaker 1>when one of your two bigs is really a drop

0:34:02.600 --> 0:34:06.280
<v Speaker 1>big and the other one is a switch big. Yeah.

0:34:06.360 --> 0:34:08.480
<v Speaker 2>I think that's a big part of what's made the

0:34:08.520 --> 0:34:11.200
<v Speaker 2>defense so special, is that Mobile and Allen both are

0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:14.759
<v Speaker 2>able to guard at the perimeter. I think that mobility,

0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:17.799
<v Speaker 2>even it has an impact on the offensive end right

0:34:17.880 --> 0:34:21.200
<v Speaker 2>Like they will play five outs sometimes for a possession

0:34:21.239 --> 0:34:24.080
<v Speaker 2>or two even with both bigs there, because they trust

0:34:24.120 --> 0:34:27.240
<v Speaker 2>their ability to set those screens above the three point line,

0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:29.279
<v Speaker 2>catch the ball on the move, and make the right

0:34:29.320 --> 0:34:32.440
<v Speaker 2>reads and react in those spots. He can trust everybody

0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:35.600
<v Speaker 2>to do that. Isaiah Hartenstein is a terrific passer. His

0:34:35.680 --> 0:34:38.160
<v Speaker 2>feel for the game is phenomenal. You can get him

0:34:38.160 --> 0:34:39.960
<v Speaker 2>on the ball in the move and he'll throw lobs

0:34:39.960 --> 0:34:42.160
<v Speaker 2>to the dunker spot some of you know, the two

0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:44.200
<v Speaker 2>man game with him and Chet has been really fun

0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:47.000
<v Speaker 2>in the games I watch. That doesn't always translate to

0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:48.840
<v Speaker 2>the defensive end. As he said, he is kind of

0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:53.200
<v Speaker 2>a true drop big. Is this one, as you said,

0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:57.759
<v Speaker 2>a great faith take? No, but I absolutely not. But

0:34:57.920 --> 0:35:02.200
<v Speaker 2>I do think let's just you know, use it as

0:35:02.239 --> 0:35:04.680
<v Speaker 2>a means to give our bigs credit because they have

0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:08.440
<v Speaker 2>been phenomenal, and I think how seamless that has been

0:35:08.480 --> 0:35:11.120
<v Speaker 2>on the defensive end of the court since day one

0:35:11.680 --> 0:35:14.600
<v Speaker 2>really goes to show you just how unique that pairing is.

0:35:14.960 --> 0:35:18.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they are so freaking phenomenal. They've been phenomenal from

0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:24.160
<v Speaker 1>the second we put them together. And I think assuming

0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:32.080
<v Speaker 1>that like sized players, even like talented players, could just

0:35:32.280 --> 0:35:36.759
<v Speaker 1>immediately replicate that even with better defensive personnel at the

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:37.960
<v Speaker 1>front of the defense.

0:35:38.320 --> 0:35:39.439
<v Speaker 2>That's a great point as well.

0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:44.880
<v Speaker 1>It's just not that easy to to especially for a

0:35:44.880 --> 0:35:47.399
<v Speaker 1>team like that that you know, gives up a lot

0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:50.279
<v Speaker 1>of corner threes and stuff like that. It's hard for

0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:53.279
<v Speaker 1>bigs to recover out like that. It's hard for them

0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:56.799
<v Speaker 1>to dig in on penetration and then rEFInd their man

0:35:57.120 --> 0:36:00.400
<v Speaker 1>who's relocated to a different point of the three three point.

0:36:00.600 --> 0:36:06.160
<v Speaker 1>It just matters. So I again, I'm not my best

0:36:06.200 --> 0:36:09.319
<v Speaker 1>faith take, but I do. But you're right as to

0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:12.279
<v Speaker 1>use it as a means of kind of propping up

0:36:12.320 --> 0:36:15.360
<v Speaker 1>our boys who have been who have needed no adjustment

0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:17.520
<v Speaker 1>to be great together on that end of the floor.

0:36:18.000 --> 0:36:21.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and since Donovan joined the team, we're talking about

0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:24.480
<v Speaker 2>a six thousand possession sample of the two bigs together.

0:36:24.719 --> 0:36:26.560
<v Speaker 2>They have a one to eleven defensive rating in that

0:36:26.600 --> 0:36:30.000
<v Speaker 2>time plus seven net. They've been phenomenal, right, And you know,

0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:33.160
<v Speaker 2>there's always been those concerns of hey, how's that going

0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:35.719
<v Speaker 2>to work with the two guards and the two bigs, Right,

0:36:35.719 --> 0:36:39.080
<v Speaker 2>They're like, are those two bigs out there just to

0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:41.880
<v Speaker 2>cover for the guards? And you look at the minutes

0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:44.040
<v Speaker 2>that the four of them have played together over these

0:36:44.080 --> 0:36:47.480
<v Speaker 2>last three years, four thousand possessions, the defense is actually

0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:49.160
<v Speaker 2>better when the two guards are out there. It's a

0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:52.920
<v Speaker 2>one ten point eight defensive rating, one nineteen offensive rating.

0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:56.120
<v Speaker 2>That core four has been fantastic in their time together.

0:36:56.719 --> 0:36:58.960
<v Speaker 2>We had a bit of a lull last season, and

0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:02.279
<v Speaker 2>I continue to you know, yell from the mountaintops. The

0:37:02.360 --> 0:37:05.719
<v Speaker 2>sample this season is dramatically smaller than the one the

0:37:05.880 --> 0:37:08.719
<v Speaker 2>year prior, and they have not been healthy for any

0:37:08.760 --> 0:37:11.040
<v Speaker 2>of it. There has been hamstring injuries for the guards.

0:37:11.080 --> 0:37:14.279
<v Speaker 2>There's been mobilely coming off a knee surgery. There were

0:37:14.320 --> 0:37:16.160
<v Speaker 2>so many factors that when we had.

0:37:16.200 --> 0:37:19.080
<v Speaker 1>Knee surgery last year and we just kind of didn't

0:37:19.360 --> 0:37:22.440
<v Speaker 1>no one even acknowledged it. Really, I forgot about it

0:37:22.480 --> 0:37:23.880
<v Speaker 1>until you just said it.

0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:27.920
<v Speaker 2>It's you know, it's one of those things that always

0:37:28.000 --> 0:37:31.840
<v Speaker 2>drives me crazy as someone that listens to national podcasts

0:37:31.840 --> 0:37:35.279
<v Speaker 2>looking for reasons to get upset. Any time that like

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:38.200
<v Speaker 2>a little nuance is brought up with one team and

0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:41.920
<v Speaker 2>then a massive thing like surgery gets overlooked with the

0:37:41.960 --> 0:37:44.680
<v Speaker 2>calves drives me nuts. It's like, well, you know, Payton

0:37:44.680 --> 0:37:47.879
<v Speaker 2>Pritchard got stuck in traffic on Tuesday, so it's it's

0:37:47.880 --> 0:37:49.959
<v Speaker 2>okay that he had a bit of an off shooting game.

0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:53.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, traffic in Boston can be really rough justin.

0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:56.520
<v Speaker 2>I've heard that. I've heard that. I've heard that many times.

0:37:56.600 --> 0:38:00.360
<v Speaker 1>I'll say it. Can we talk a little rest based,

0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:02.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, now that we are on the health train.

0:38:03.200 --> 0:38:07.440
<v Speaker 1>I just generally wanted to discuss this because, you know, Darius,

0:38:07.520 --> 0:38:10.919
<v Speaker 1>ever since he falls, has that hard fall, hasn't quite

0:38:10.920 --> 0:38:17.400
<v Speaker 1>been himself. Fourth quarter and Nomal standing uh and Jarrett

0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:20.880
<v Speaker 1>in the post game basically said, yeah, my hand still hurts,

0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:24.640
<v Speaker 1>still kind of hurts a lot, okay, and it's hard

0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:26.760
<v Speaker 1>for me to hard for me to do power dribbles

0:38:26.800 --> 0:38:29.760
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that. I don't actually want to miss quotehim.

0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:30.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember if he said a lot, but he

0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:33.960
<v Speaker 1>said it still hurts. You know, it's hard for me

0:38:34.000 --> 0:38:35.920
<v Speaker 1>to do power dribbles with that hand compared to my

0:38:36.040 --> 0:38:40.080
<v Speaker 1>left and stuff like that. And you know, they are,

0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:43.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, a weird kind of semi precarious spot where

0:38:43.719 --> 0:38:47.080
<v Speaker 1>they're trying to lock up home court through the entire playoffs.

0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:50.520
<v Speaker 1>And there are two games up on Okay, see as

0:38:50.560 --> 0:38:56.440
<v Speaker 1>we speak, going into going into Wednesday night, they have

0:38:56.760 --> 0:39:01.560
<v Speaker 1>a chance. I mean, they look very likely Frank to

0:39:01.600 --> 0:39:06.040
<v Speaker 1>set a new franchise record for wins, and they're flirting

0:39:06.239 --> 0:39:09.120
<v Speaker 1>with a seventy win season. They have to finish fifteen

0:39:09.160 --> 0:39:12.600
<v Speaker 1>and two, which is about the pace they've played at

0:39:12.840 --> 0:39:18.520
<v Speaker 1>all year. And my question to you is, like, I

0:39:18.560 --> 0:39:20.840
<v Speaker 1>know Jared really wanted to play all ed two, but

0:39:21.000 --> 0:39:24.160
<v Speaker 1>like and and Darius, you know, I think definitely wants

0:39:24.200 --> 0:39:27.160
<v Speaker 1>to prove that, you know, you know, his toughness and

0:39:27.160 --> 0:39:32.520
<v Speaker 1>all that stuff. Do you start doing some targeted rests

0:39:32.640 --> 0:39:35.160
<v Speaker 1>up and down with these guys who are a little

0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:37.640
<v Speaker 1>banged up, you know, even ty Jerome. If you had

0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:39.359
<v Speaker 1>told me ty Jerome is going to get a rest

0:39:39.440 --> 0:39:44.640
<v Speaker 1>game last year, oh okay, yeah, go ahead, Like last year,

0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:47.000
<v Speaker 1>I would have been like, oh my god, like.

0:39:47.080 --> 0:39:51.319
<v Speaker 2>What, Yeah, the standard for rest game was a little

0:39:51.400 --> 0:39:54.600
<v Speaker 2>higher last year, and guys were playing a whole lot

0:39:54.600 --> 0:39:55.080
<v Speaker 2>more much.

0:39:55.080 --> 0:39:58.160
<v Speaker 1>It is more like normally role players don't get those

0:39:58.239 --> 0:40:00.320
<v Speaker 1>rest games because they don't play. You know, he was

0:40:01.120 --> 0:40:02.520
<v Speaker 1>we weren't sure if he was going to be in

0:40:02.560 --> 0:40:05.520
<v Speaker 1>the rotation at the beginning of the year, So you know,

0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:08.680
<v Speaker 1>part of that's you know, the injury history, right, you

0:40:08.680 --> 0:40:10.799
<v Speaker 1>you want to give a guy like that the opportunities

0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:13.719
<v Speaker 1>to rest in particularly, as I said, was in quite

0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:15.840
<v Speaker 1>a bit of a shooting slump the last six games.

0:40:15.840 --> 0:40:19.440
<v Speaker 2>So but I think I didn't give those conversations. I

0:40:19.480 --> 0:40:20.600
<v Speaker 2>think you have those conversations.

0:40:20.600 --> 0:40:22.840
<v Speaker 1>I actually want to frame a question to you because

0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:25.520
<v Speaker 1>I think we've already discussed like if a guy is

0:40:25.560 --> 0:40:29.120
<v Speaker 1>like hurt hurt, you absolutely should sit him. Yeah, And

0:40:29.200 --> 0:40:31.960
<v Speaker 1>if a guy is healthy, healthy, he should play. That

0:40:32.000 --> 0:40:35.399
<v Speaker 1>has generally been our party line for these guys who

0:40:35.480 --> 0:40:41.160
<v Speaker 1>have some slightly nagging injuries like or things that like

0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:44.719
<v Speaker 1>aren't stopping them from playing, wouldn't stop them from playing

0:40:44.760 --> 0:40:48.759
<v Speaker 1>in the postseason. But like you know, and you know,

0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:53.120
<v Speaker 1>and they're telling you I'm fine, I'm good to play. Yeah,

0:40:53.160 --> 0:40:56.239
<v Speaker 1>those people do you say, do you still go? I

0:40:56.280 --> 0:40:58.200
<v Speaker 1>hear that you feel good to play. We're going to

0:40:58.280 --> 0:41:01.560
<v Speaker 1>give you, uh, you know, we're going to find spots

0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:04.759
<v Speaker 1>like Friday where we have two days off and you

0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:06.719
<v Speaker 1>know we can find we can keep you it in

0:41:06.800 --> 0:41:12.080
<v Speaker 1>Cleveland for basically five six days and let you just

0:41:12.239 --> 0:41:15.680
<v Speaker 1>rest whatever malady you have. Like, are you doing that?

0:41:16.000 --> 0:41:17.760
<v Speaker 1>Because I think I am.

0:41:18.120 --> 0:41:20.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think you need to have those conversations with

0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:22.680
<v Speaker 2>the player. I think you need to. You know, we

0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:26.600
<v Speaker 2>obviously don't know the particulars. No, I'm very I'm very

0:41:26.640 --> 0:41:28.920
<v Speaker 2>far from a professional athlete. But the one thing I

0:41:28.960 --> 0:41:31.719
<v Speaker 2>do have some very far from a professional trainer.

0:41:32.000 --> 0:41:32.919
<v Speaker 1>We're not there either.

0:41:33.640 --> 0:41:36.279
<v Speaker 2>But the one thing I do actually have way too

0:41:36.360 --> 0:41:39.359
<v Speaker 2>much experience with is rehabbing injuries. And sometimes you do

0:41:39.440 --> 0:41:43.479
<v Speaker 2>have you know, nagging ailments and more exercises is part

0:41:43.520 --> 0:41:45.520
<v Speaker 2>of the prescription. Hey, you're not going to hurt it

0:41:45.560 --> 0:41:47.560
<v Speaker 2>by it by doing this. You got to work your

0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:52.360
<v Speaker 2>way through it. You know, sometimes rest is going to

0:41:52.719 --> 0:41:55.520
<v Speaker 2>work in the opposite direction. Now, I think when it

0:41:55.560 --> 0:41:58.440
<v Speaker 2>comes to something like a finger heeling, I trust them

0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:00.480
<v Speaker 2>that they got the wrap on there, but you know,

0:42:00.560 --> 0:42:03.719
<v Speaker 2>you can't do more damage I don't think Darius would

0:42:03.760 --> 0:42:06.560
<v Speaker 2>be playing if it was a situation where hey, if

0:42:06.560 --> 0:42:08.520
<v Speaker 2>he's playing, he's going to do more damage to it.

0:42:08.600 --> 0:42:10.759
<v Speaker 2>But I think you do have those conversations with the

0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:13.279
<v Speaker 2>guys of hey, we have an opportunity to give you

0:42:13.640 --> 0:42:16.239
<v Speaker 2>a rest here, that this might be beneficial. Are you

0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:16.920
<v Speaker 2>open to it?

0:42:17.080 --> 0:42:17.239
<v Speaker 1>Right?

0:42:17.320 --> 0:42:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Like advocating for it, because ultimately you don't want to

0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:22.440
<v Speaker 2>go completely against the players witches, but you have to

0:42:22.480 --> 0:42:24.960
<v Speaker 2>advocate in the right direction. And I actually think this

0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:27.080
<v Speaker 2>is one of those spots where having a veteran like

0:42:27.080 --> 0:42:31.040
<v Speaker 2>Tristan Thompson is probably really valuable. Tristan in the sixteen

0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:33.759
<v Speaker 2>seventeen season, not only was he coming off the long

0:42:33.800 --> 0:42:37.799
<v Speaker 2>Finals run, but he you know, sacrificed to play for

0:42:37.880 --> 0:42:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Team Canada that offseason. He was keeping that iron Man

0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:45.120
<v Speaker 2>streak going during the sixteen seventeen season, and I eventually

0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:47.839
<v Speaker 2>he just wore down and he did have to miss

0:42:47.840 --> 0:42:51.279
<v Speaker 2>some time, and he wasn't himself in the twenty seventeen playoffs.

0:42:51.560 --> 0:42:53.640
<v Speaker 2>You know, he wasn't moving around the same way that

0:42:53.719 --> 0:42:57.040
<v Speaker 2>he did in the past. It was never himself again.

0:42:57.360 --> 0:42:59.960
<v Speaker 2>He bounced back a little bit in eighteen. I think

0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:03.120
<v Speaker 2>he you know he had. You know, we don't win

0:43:03.160 --> 0:43:07.040
<v Speaker 2>that game against Indiana in the first round without him

0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:10.000
<v Speaker 2>having one of those throwback performances. But I think it

0:43:10.040 --> 0:43:13.959
<v Speaker 2>is unbelievable, especially when it comes to Tristan. Don't don't

0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:16.240
<v Speaker 2>you worry about that, man. I'm going to remember that

0:43:16.320 --> 0:43:19.400
<v Speaker 2>my my Canadian bias here. But I do think Tristan

0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:22.839
<v Speaker 2>is a good advocate for this. Of Hey, I had

0:43:22.840 --> 0:43:25.440
<v Speaker 2>this goal. I wanted to keep the iron Man streak going.

0:43:25.920 --> 0:43:28.920
<v Speaker 2>It probably didn't work in my favor. I don't think

0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:31.480
<v Speaker 2>I ever have heard him speak to it. But just

0:43:31.520 --> 0:43:36.040
<v Speaker 2>thinking back to, you know, an example of this and

0:43:36.440 --> 0:43:38.680
<v Speaker 2>a guy that's currently in the locker room, maybe that

0:43:38.840 --> 0:43:41.880
<v Speaker 2>is something that they can go to. Again, we're speculating

0:43:41.920 --> 0:43:44.920
<v Speaker 2>because we don't know, you know, what the condition is.

0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:47.719
<v Speaker 2>But I do think there's going to be opportunities to

0:43:47.719 --> 0:43:50.359
<v Speaker 2>get these guys down rest, down the stretch. I think

0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:54.120
<v Speaker 2>those opportunities exist because they have worked so hard this season.

0:43:54.360 --> 0:43:57.080
<v Speaker 1>I had a bit of a dumb thought. I'm just

0:43:57.120 --> 0:43:59.640
<v Speaker 1>gonna say it. You're probably gonna roll your eyes. It

0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:03.160
<v Speaker 1>does kind of make me feel like, hey, guys, if

0:44:03.200 --> 0:44:05.880
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna do this and when you get to the postseason.

0:44:06.520 --> 0:44:09.319
<v Speaker 1>You better take care of business in these series, like

0:44:09.960 --> 0:44:15.800
<v Speaker 1>don't have a seven game war of attrition for no reason, Like, yeah,

0:44:15.960 --> 0:44:20.160
<v Speaker 1>don't play with your food, get sweeps, get five game series,

0:44:20.320 --> 0:44:23.560
<v Speaker 1>and get out so you can recover and get ready

0:44:23.600 --> 0:44:26.920
<v Speaker 1>for the next one. I don't know, was that was

0:44:26.960 --> 0:44:28.000
<v Speaker 1>that completely moron?

0:44:28.080 --> 0:44:30.760
<v Speaker 2>Okay, here's the thing, Carter, because you're making me think

0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:33.080
<v Speaker 2>you had that sit down with Kenny to start the season.

0:44:33.120 --> 0:44:36.200
<v Speaker 2>We might need to have another one of those opportunities

0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:40.920
<v Speaker 2>before the playoffs where you share the strategy of winning

0:44:40.960 --> 0:44:44.759
<v Speaker 2>games if possible. Yeah, with Kenny. I think I think

0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:45.759
<v Speaker 2>that might blow his mind.

0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:50.040
<v Speaker 1>I think it's saying from an injury, from a healing perspective, Yes,

0:44:50.320 --> 0:44:53.600
<v Speaker 1>like if you're gonna if like I was just thinking, like,

0:44:53.680 --> 0:44:56.200
<v Speaker 1>because where if you're not going to do the rest

0:44:56.280 --> 0:44:59.399
<v Speaker 1>thing where your opportunity is going to present themselves, it's

0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:01.600
<v Speaker 1>going to be sitting while other teams are in knockdown,

0:45:01.719 --> 0:45:02.560
<v Speaker 1>drag out series.

0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:04.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think.

0:45:04.120 --> 0:45:06.399
<v Speaker 1>But glad to know it was indeed a moronic take.

0:45:06.600 --> 0:45:12.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm comfortable justin I asked it's you know, it's a

0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:15.480
<v Speaker 1>little obvious, but I think you're right, and you know,

0:45:15.560 --> 0:45:16.400
<v Speaker 1>to your point.

0:45:16.600 --> 0:45:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Not only is that good from a rest standpoint, I

0:45:19.000 --> 0:45:21.640
<v Speaker 2>think we need to see it. Right. We haven't seen

0:45:21.719 --> 0:45:24.879
<v Speaker 2>them have a dominant playoff series. Them smoking a team

0:45:24.880 --> 0:45:27.399
<v Speaker 2>in the first round or you know, if you play

0:45:27.400 --> 0:45:29.319
<v Speaker 2>a Milwaukee in the second round, I think that's going

0:45:29.360 --> 0:45:31.920
<v Speaker 2>to be a challenge. But if you handle them comfortably

0:45:31.960 --> 0:45:35.160
<v Speaker 2>in five games, not only is beating Jannis a feather

0:45:35.239 --> 0:45:38.439
<v Speaker 2>in your cap, that's that's a real statement that when

0:45:38.440 --> 0:45:41.080
<v Speaker 2>you take care of business against a very good team,

0:45:41.360 --> 0:45:43.920
<v Speaker 2>that that is something that you can actually you know,

0:45:44.080 --> 0:45:46.320
<v Speaker 2>that's going to lift up your confidence. You're going to

0:45:46.360 --> 0:45:48.960
<v Speaker 2>feel better about your chances going into a Boston series.

0:45:48.960 --> 0:45:51.840
<v Speaker 2>So I think taking care of business from a rest standpoint,

0:45:51.840 --> 0:45:54.759
<v Speaker 2>from a confidence standpoint, all of that's so important because

0:45:54.760 --> 0:45:57.239
<v Speaker 2>we're talking about a team that hasn't been to a

0:45:57.280 --> 0:46:00.480
<v Speaker 2>conference finals. Not a lot of teams have, you know,

0:46:01.320 --> 0:46:03.279
<v Speaker 2>not gone to a conference finals and go on to

0:46:03.320 --> 0:46:05.640
<v Speaker 2>win a championship. I think that's one of those spots

0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:09.880
<v Speaker 2>where we once again have a comparison to the Golden

0:46:09.920 --> 0:46:14.400
<v Speaker 2>State Warriors in twenty fifteen. But I think the Calves

0:46:14.680 --> 0:46:18.439
<v Speaker 2>taking care of business, giving themselves those rest opportunities and

0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:20.759
<v Speaker 2>building on that confidence is a big deal.

0:46:21.440 --> 0:46:23.239
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I had to put you full screen. There's a

0:46:23.320 --> 0:46:27.359
<v Speaker 1>daddy long legs crawling on my wall. It's a big

0:46:27.400 --> 0:46:32.400
<v Speaker 1>ass spider and full disclosure. The single screen freaked me

0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:34.239
<v Speaker 1>out a little bit. I was like, Oh, does he

0:46:34.280 --> 0:46:35.399
<v Speaker 1>think I'm making a good point?

0:46:35.480 --> 0:46:38.360
<v Speaker 2>Are you trying to clip this for social I was

0:46:38.400 --> 0:46:40.080
<v Speaker 2>going to wrap up my point, but you just put

0:46:40.120 --> 0:46:41.040
<v Speaker 2>me on single screen.

0:46:41.280 --> 0:46:43.480
<v Speaker 1>Brother. Let me tell you, every time I put you

0:46:43.520 --> 0:46:46.520
<v Speaker 1>on single screen, it's because I'm moving out a frame.

0:46:47.239 --> 0:46:49.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's very good to know. That's very good to know.

0:46:49.560 --> 0:46:54.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, so Phil, Phil, Yeah, I at least I

0:46:54.239 --> 0:46:56.239
<v Speaker 2>had the right instinct to fill there. And you know,

0:46:56.320 --> 0:46:59.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm proud. Struggling a little bit, I'm having trouble talking today.

0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:02.480
<v Speaker 2>I got dent to stuff I gotta do on Friday,

0:47:03.000 --> 0:47:05.839
<v Speaker 2>a little bit annoying. I'm tired Daylight savings even though

0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:08.799
<v Speaker 2>I don't have a kid carter. So you know, thank

0:47:08.800 --> 0:47:10.440
<v Speaker 2>you for once again putting me on the spot.

0:47:10.719 --> 0:47:14.759
<v Speaker 1>Listen, man, it's a I saw a spider on my wall.

0:47:14.760 --> 0:47:16.040
<v Speaker 1>I had to get rid of it. I don't know

0:47:16.080 --> 0:47:17.560
<v Speaker 1>it was going to distract me for the rest of

0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:20.000
<v Speaker 1>the podcast. That's totally fair.

0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:23.600
<v Speaker 2>Is there anything you are so you know we cover

0:47:23.680 --> 0:47:27.120
<v Speaker 2>the rest topic. Is there anything you're looking for from

0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:31.040
<v Speaker 2>this Memphis game? You know, even without Darius, that was

0:47:31.160 --> 0:47:34.920
<v Speaker 2>a tougher game in Cleveland. I think it's obviously a

0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:37.719
<v Speaker 2>different animal without Jared Jackson Junior. He has been their

0:47:37.719 --> 0:47:40.600
<v Speaker 2>best player this season. But that's still a good team

0:47:40.640 --> 0:47:42.359
<v Speaker 2>that can potentially test you here.

0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:48.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, man, I no, I mean, I want

0:47:48.040 --> 0:47:51.840
<v Speaker 1>to see what they do with jaw, especially if Darius

0:47:51.840 --> 0:47:53.760
<v Speaker 1>doesn't play, you know, is it gonna be more Isaac

0:47:53.760 --> 0:47:58.640
<v Speaker 1>o Quoro on him? But really, I just I'm just

0:47:58.719 --> 0:48:01.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of now counting wins, like I just want to

0:48:01.480 --> 0:48:04.400
<v Speaker 1>see wins. I don't actually really care too much how

0:48:04.440 --> 0:48:07.520
<v Speaker 1>we get up the mountain because this team has really

0:48:07.560 --> 0:48:11.400
<v Speaker 1>shown me almost this bad podcast pressed into set, but

0:48:11.719 --> 0:48:13.560
<v Speaker 1>I do feel like the team has just shown me

0:48:14.280 --> 0:48:19.440
<v Speaker 1>just about everything else that I want to see, Like,

0:48:20.080 --> 0:48:22.279
<v Speaker 1>I just want to see them. I want to see

0:48:22.280 --> 0:48:24.879
<v Speaker 1>how far this wind streak can go. I'd love, you know,

0:48:25.440 --> 0:48:28.680
<v Speaker 1>I how long does the wind streak go? Before you

0:48:28.719 --> 0:48:33.120
<v Speaker 1>think seventy is possible? Before you not just possible, but

0:48:33.239 --> 0:48:37.520
<v Speaker 1>like you think we're getting it. Because I was thinking

0:48:37.600 --> 0:48:40.719
<v Speaker 1>watching them when they were down eighteen to Brooklyn, I

0:48:40.800 --> 0:48:43.200
<v Speaker 1>was like, man, I don't know if they're going to

0:48:43.239 --> 0:48:45.399
<v Speaker 1>be able to get to seventy if they lose here.

0:48:45.800 --> 0:48:47.399
<v Speaker 2>You know, I think they got to win seven more

0:48:47.480 --> 0:48:49.080
<v Speaker 2>before I think seventy is possible.

0:48:50.440 --> 0:48:54.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go if the wind Streak gets to twenty.

0:48:54.600 --> 0:48:58.799
<v Speaker 1>If they get to twenty, which is absurd sentence, if

0:48:58.800 --> 0:49:02.600
<v Speaker 1>the wind Streak gets to two, that means they only

0:49:02.640 --> 0:49:06.839
<v Speaker 1>got to go ten in two to close the year. Yeah.

0:49:06.880 --> 0:49:09.600
<v Speaker 2>See, I'm thinking it's got to be eight in two.

0:49:09.800 --> 0:49:12.520
<v Speaker 2>Like the last ten games go eight in two. You

0:49:12.520 --> 0:49:15.120
<v Speaker 2>can do that. A game eighty two probably going to

0:49:15.320 --> 0:49:18.680
<v Speaker 2>see guys rest. You know. That's That's kind of where

0:49:18.680 --> 0:49:22.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm at. Not often that you're you're more optimistic than me,

0:49:22.200 --> 0:49:27.560
<v Speaker 2>but I think you know, tying into that your thoughts

0:49:27.560 --> 0:49:31.000
<v Speaker 2>about Memphis there the real test the rest of the

0:49:31.000 --> 0:49:34.319
<v Speaker 2>way is playing against themselves. I think we have seen

0:49:34.400 --> 0:49:37.319
<v Speaker 2>them get it done against sow Casee, We've seen them

0:49:37.320 --> 0:49:39.360
<v Speaker 2>get it done against Boston, We've seen them get it

0:49:39.400 --> 0:49:43.799
<v Speaker 2>done against the best teams in the league. The individual

0:49:44.000 --> 0:49:47.640
<v Speaker 2>matchup questions aren't as interesting now. I think their main

0:49:47.680 --> 0:49:50.960
<v Speaker 2>opponent is themselves they're playing against the streak. They're playing

0:49:51.040 --> 0:49:54.239
<v Speaker 2>against this very difficult schedule where for the rest of

0:49:54.280 --> 0:49:56.000
<v Speaker 2>the month they are not going to play in the

0:49:56.040 --> 0:49:59.200
<v Speaker 2>same city consecutive nights. They are always going to be

0:49:59.239 --> 0:50:02.880
<v Speaker 2>on the road. You are playing against the NBA schedule,

0:50:02.920 --> 0:50:05.600
<v Speaker 2>and you're playing against the streak, and you're playing against yourselves,

0:50:05.760 --> 0:50:09.120
<v Speaker 2>you're playing against complacency because you have already wrapped up

0:50:09.120 --> 0:50:11.640
<v Speaker 2>the number one seed in the Eastern Conference. All these

0:50:11.719 --> 0:50:16.359
<v Speaker 2>human components are the major factors here more than oh, well,

0:50:16.360 --> 0:50:18.520
<v Speaker 2>what are they going to do tactically against the John

0:50:18.600 --> 0:50:21.359
<v Speaker 2>Moran No, Like, we know that they can get it done.

0:50:21.400 --> 0:50:24.040
<v Speaker 2>We know that they can defend just about any team

0:50:24.040 --> 0:50:26.239
<v Speaker 2>in the league. We know they can score on just

0:50:26.280 --> 0:50:28.600
<v Speaker 2>about any team in the league. It's about how long

0:50:28.640 --> 0:50:30.439
<v Speaker 2>can they maintain this consistency?

0:50:31.040 --> 0:50:35.480
<v Speaker 1>Man, I really want seventy wins? Man, Like that is

0:50:35.600 --> 0:50:40.799
<v Speaker 1>like such a special threshold. A cross like that is like,

0:50:41.680 --> 0:50:44.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you'd be the third team in the because like,

0:50:44.800 --> 0:50:47.440
<v Speaker 1>here's where I keep going back to all these stats,

0:50:47.480 --> 0:50:51.200
<v Speaker 1>like the second team in history to have three twelve

0:50:51.239 --> 0:50:55.920
<v Speaker 1>game win streaks, you know, the sixth team to have

0:50:55.960 --> 0:51:01.280
<v Speaker 1>two fifteen game win streaks, that's cool, but aren't necessarily

0:51:01.320 --> 0:51:07.279
<v Speaker 1>wrapped around a complete success. You know, like like you know,

0:51:07.480 --> 0:51:10.319
<v Speaker 1>no one, no one remembers the O six Suns for

0:51:10.400 --> 0:51:13.600
<v Speaker 1>how insanely dominant they were. We remember they were fun,

0:51:14.520 --> 0:51:18.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, and very good. You know what I mean.

0:51:18.719 --> 0:51:21.239
<v Speaker 1>They're like they weren't like a like I feel like

0:51:21.840 --> 0:51:25.440
<v Speaker 1>the teams that win that you know are in that

0:51:25.760 --> 0:51:30.560
<v Speaker 1>sixty nine, seventy seventy one, seventy two, seventy three range. Yeah,

0:51:30.640 --> 0:51:34.040
<v Speaker 1>those are like those teams where you just you really

0:51:34.160 --> 0:51:38.120
<v Speaker 1>remember them because it wasn't This is over an eighty

0:51:38.160 --> 0:51:41.080
<v Speaker 1>two game sample. You know, they didn't get hot for

0:51:41.120 --> 0:51:44.440
<v Speaker 1>a month or a month and a half, like, and like,

0:51:44.480 --> 0:51:48.520
<v Speaker 1>it just feels like another level of crazy on It's

0:51:48.560 --> 0:51:50.319
<v Speaker 1>like a hat on a hat on a hat on

0:51:50.360 --> 0:51:53.280
<v Speaker 1>a hat of all the crazy fun that this season

0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:55.160
<v Speaker 1>has been. So it'd be really fun to see him

0:51:55.200 --> 0:51:57.520
<v Speaker 1>hit it. I don't think they will, but it'd be

0:51:57.560 --> 0:51:58.719
<v Speaker 1>really fun to see them hit it.

0:51:59.320 --> 0:52:05.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm with you to some extent because I I

0:52:05.239 --> 0:52:07.319
<v Speaker 2>guess I haven't thought about seventy a whole lot.

0:52:07.400 --> 0:52:09.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why I've thought about it so much,

0:52:09.320 --> 0:52:12.640
<v Speaker 1>but I've been thinking about it since like like the

0:52:12.680 --> 0:52:13.680
<v Speaker 1>forty game mark.

0:52:14.320 --> 0:52:16.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because I just want to get the team record,

0:52:16.520 --> 0:52:18.319
<v Speaker 2>like that's been the only thing. But you're right that

0:52:18.320 --> 0:52:21.759
<v Speaker 2>that would be significant the coward in me, and you know,

0:52:22.040 --> 0:52:24.520
<v Speaker 2>chat feel free to boom me. You know, if you're

0:52:24.520 --> 0:52:27.120
<v Speaker 2>listening on Spotify, there's a common section there, you can

0:52:27.160 --> 0:52:30.680
<v Speaker 2>boom me there as well. I'm a little cowardly, and

0:52:30.760 --> 0:52:32.560
<v Speaker 2>I think having seventy is just going to put that

0:52:32.640 --> 0:52:34.480
<v Speaker 2>extra a little bit of target on your back. And

0:52:34.520 --> 0:52:37.960
<v Speaker 2>I kind of are a coward kind of still like

0:52:38.040 --> 0:52:39.799
<v Speaker 2>that even as the one seed, we're going to be

0:52:39.800 --> 0:52:42.719
<v Speaker 2>the underdog going into the Eastern Conference finals. I like

0:52:42.840 --> 0:52:43.800
<v Speaker 2>being in that angle.

0:52:44.120 --> 0:52:48.360
<v Speaker 1>Hold on. Let me let me reframe it for you, fella.

0:52:49.360 --> 0:52:53.320
<v Speaker 1>Could you imagine how disrespected that locker room will feel

0:52:54.120 --> 0:52:57.720
<v Speaker 1>as an underdog in a series after winning seventy games

0:52:57.760 --> 0:53:03.680
<v Speaker 1>in a season. Feed off that come on, brother, join me,

0:53:04.480 --> 0:53:05.040
<v Speaker 1>join me.

0:53:06.560 --> 0:53:10.200
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay, I see where you're coming from. Let's let's

0:53:10.200 --> 0:53:13.479
<v Speaker 2>get seventy. Let's get it done. Let's let's shock the world.

0:53:13.520 --> 0:53:16.319
<v Speaker 2>Let's beat Boston, let's beat Okay, see if they get

0:53:16.360 --> 0:53:17.840
<v Speaker 2>that far, you know, they got to figure out that

0:53:17.920 --> 0:53:21.000
<v Speaker 2>too big thing. It's uh I've heard years and years

0:53:21.040 --> 0:53:24.320
<v Speaker 2>of content saying that that's impossible to make work. Uh,

0:53:24.360 --> 0:53:26.640
<v Speaker 2>so we'll see if they can get it done. I'm

0:53:26.640 --> 0:53:29.480
<v Speaker 2>with you. Let's let's get seventy. Let's put the pressure

0:53:29.520 --> 0:53:30.880
<v Speaker 2>on ourselves and let's deliver.

0:53:31.600 --> 0:53:33.840
<v Speaker 1>Yes, come on, bro, let's go.

0:53:34.680 --> 0:53:38.000
<v Speaker 2>I can't believe you said nobody remembers that the six

0:53:38.040 --> 0:53:40.800
<v Speaker 2>Sons how dominant they were. I was giving your first

0:53:40.880 --> 0:53:45.319
<v Speaker 2>round details from twenty eighteen about what Tristan Thompson did you.

0:53:45.840 --> 0:53:48.799
<v Speaker 2>Of course I'm going to remember. I remember the Phoenix Suns.

0:53:48.880 --> 0:53:51.600
<v Speaker 1>Do you remember the beauty of them? I don't remember

0:53:51.640 --> 0:53:52.719
<v Speaker 1>them feeling unbeatable.

0:53:53.160 --> 0:53:59.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, it's back then, regular season basketball, anytime a

0:53:59.120 --> 0:54:01.799
<v Speaker 2>team was rolling, and I love that team. I thought

0:54:01.800 --> 0:54:03.799
<v Speaker 2>that they could win. You know, I thought the on

0:54:03.960 --> 0:54:07.319
<v Speaker 2>nine Cavs were absolutely going to win. Oh six Sons?

0:54:07.320 --> 0:54:11.360
<v Speaker 2>Are you kidding me? Rajah Bell, Boris Diao, Sean Marion

0:54:11.760 --> 0:54:13.279
<v Speaker 2>k I.

0:54:13.239 --> 0:54:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Really don't think I'm a smart man because my memory

0:54:17.480 --> 0:54:18.400
<v Speaker 1>is so horrible.

0:54:18.480 --> 0:54:21.200
<v Speaker 2>Dude. I feel like every legend James Jones was on

0:54:21.239 --> 0:54:23.440
<v Speaker 2>that team. I'm very sure everything before I was like

0:54:23.600 --> 0:54:26.560
<v Speaker 2>nineteen years old didn't even happen. I don't remember anything,

0:54:27.400 --> 0:54:31.280
<v Speaker 2>no details. Well, you've done a number on your body, buddy,

0:54:33.239 --> 0:54:36.000
<v Speaker 2>all all your habits, all your recreational habits that have

0:54:36.360 --> 0:54:37.440
<v Speaker 2>fried your memory mind.

0:54:37.440 --> 0:54:40.279
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't even have that big of recreational habits. I

0:54:40.360 --> 0:54:41.680
<v Speaker 1>just think I'm stupid.

0:54:42.520 --> 0:54:47.239
<v Speaker 2>You're I'm throwing stones from my glasshouse. But my one

0:54:47.280 --> 0:54:50.520
<v Speaker 2>memory is going to be basketball stuff, little details, especially

0:54:50.600 --> 0:54:53.440
<v Speaker 2>those teams, those teams I had such an emotional connection to,

0:54:53.640 --> 0:54:55.560
<v Speaker 2>and I think that's what's made me so excited about

0:54:55.560 --> 0:54:59.480
<v Speaker 2>this season. This team has kind of reinvigorated that real

0:54:59.520 --> 0:55:03.200
<v Speaker 2>emotional connection. A team that just no matter how they're

0:55:03.200 --> 0:55:05.239
<v Speaker 2>playing on a given night, they find a way to

0:55:05.280 --> 0:55:08.759
<v Speaker 2>get it done. They play such a fun style. You know,

0:55:09.880 --> 0:55:12.600
<v Speaker 2>they really do remind me of kind of those beautiful

0:55:12.600 --> 0:55:14.920
<v Speaker 2>basketball teams, whether it be the six Sons that are

0:55:15.000 --> 0:55:16.239
<v Speaker 2>doing something that I.

0:55:16.160 --> 0:55:18.800
<v Speaker 1>Got a little take for you because our boy domin

0:55:18.920 --> 0:55:22.839
<v Speaker 1>Rangoula mentioned that that what in that Bucks game that

0:55:23.160 --> 0:55:25.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, watching the Calves reminds him of the beautiful

0:55:25.600 --> 0:55:30.440
<v Speaker 1>game Spurs, and I was thinking about how I agree

0:55:30.480 --> 0:55:33.440
<v Speaker 1>with that compliment. I don't think it's like a sacrilegious

0:55:33.440 --> 0:55:38.040
<v Speaker 1>thing to say, but it's actually a crazier compliment because

0:55:38.640 --> 0:55:41.080
<v Speaker 1>those Spurs were like in their mid thirties up and

0:55:41.120 --> 0:55:44.920
<v Speaker 1>down the roster. Yeah, these Caves are in their mid twenties.

0:55:45.440 --> 0:55:49.960
<v Speaker 1>They're playing this way without the benefit of like seven

0:55:50.040 --> 0:55:54.960
<v Speaker 1>or eight years of reps. Isn't that crazy?

0:55:55.800 --> 0:55:58.160
<v Speaker 2>That reminds me. We got tagged in a tweet where

0:55:58.440 --> 0:56:01.560
<v Speaker 2>Darren Patrick was talking about the and how they need

0:56:01.600 --> 0:56:03.600
<v Speaker 2>to be talked about more this season. But he was saying,

0:56:03.600 --> 0:56:06.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, they're not sexy, they're not fun to watch.

0:56:06.560 --> 0:56:09.400
<v Speaker 2>They kind of play like the twenty fourteen Spurs, where

0:56:09.440 --> 0:56:10.440
<v Speaker 2>like I think.

0:56:10.280 --> 0:56:12.560
<v Speaker 1>He was I'm gonna defend him. I think he was

0:56:12.600 --> 0:56:16.279
<v Speaker 1>more saying that's what the national media would say about them.

0:56:16.840 --> 0:56:20.759
<v Speaker 2>Maybe whatever's point was, I at least appreciate the consistency

0:56:20.880 --> 0:56:23.640
<v Speaker 2>of I don't think this is fun or you know,

0:56:23.680 --> 0:56:25.520
<v Speaker 2>there's a narrative that's not fun. But it's like the

0:56:25.560 --> 0:56:28.680
<v Speaker 2>twenty fourteens, perst because that team was absolutely fun. That

0:56:28.719 --> 0:56:33.240
<v Speaker 2>ball movement was absolutely fun. Running through you know, Evan Mobley,

0:56:33.920 --> 0:56:36.719
<v Speaker 2>just like Tim Duncan, is a lot of fun. Having

0:56:36.800 --> 0:56:39.440
<v Speaker 2>dynamic guards that can get it done, getting those threes up,

0:56:39.520 --> 0:56:44.160
<v Speaker 2>generating clean looks. The Cavs play beautiful beautiful team basketball,

0:56:44.440 --> 0:56:48.080
<v Speaker 2>and there are more than their fair share of individual highlights,

0:56:48.080 --> 0:56:50.400
<v Speaker 2>whether it be Darius closing in the clutch, whether it's

0:56:50.480 --> 0:56:53.520
<v Speaker 2>Donovan dunking on everybody, whether it's Evan Mobley or Jared

0:56:53.560 --> 0:56:57.600
<v Speaker 2>Allen randomly choosing violence on Brook Lopez or other victims.

0:56:57.920 --> 0:57:01.719
<v Speaker 2>It has been the most fun season that I watched

0:57:01.760 --> 0:57:02.439
<v Speaker 2>as a cas man.

0:57:02.480 --> 0:57:05.360
<v Speaker 1>We might need to resurrect the Slim Duncan nickname for

0:57:05.440 --> 0:57:07.880
<v Speaker 1>ev I really liked that one.

0:57:08.160 --> 0:57:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Did you like Slim Duncan or Evan Garnett more? I

0:57:11.160 --> 0:57:14.000
<v Speaker 2>liked I like Slim Duncan better. I thought it was funnier,

0:57:14.560 --> 0:57:16.360
<v Speaker 2>even though the garden Net comp might be a little

0:57:16.360 --> 0:57:19.080
<v Speaker 2>more apps. I just I've always liked the you know,

0:57:19.160 --> 0:57:22.160
<v Speaker 2>I've always liked the demeanor comp more than the play

0:57:22.160 --> 0:57:25.960
<v Speaker 2>style comp with Evan. Yeah, because the demeanor is all Timmy.

0:57:26.400 --> 0:57:28.800
<v Speaker 2>It's it's much more tim You're You're right, I I

0:57:29.000 --> 0:57:31.520
<v Speaker 2>I do really really enjoy that comp. And I enjoy

0:57:31.560 --> 0:57:32.120
<v Speaker 2>these podcasts.

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