1 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: My guest today is actor, filmmaker and podcast host Rob Low. 2 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: You may know him from The West Wing and Saint 3 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: Elmo's Fire by the Way iconic show and movie, but 4 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: today Rob is the star of Fox's nine one one 5 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: Lone Star and host of Literally with Rob Low. 6 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 2: This is just me with Rob Loow. Let's get into it. Hi, 7 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 2: So I talk to you. 8 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: A lot of people commented on me doing your show, like, 9 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 1: isn't it funny the types of people that come out 10 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: of the woodwork when you do different things and then 11 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: you realize why you do different things. 12 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 3: Yes, I'm so. I'm so interested to know you did 13 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 3: my podcast Literally and you were great. I had a 14 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 3: great talk with you. What was the reaction on your end? 15 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: The reaction was great. 16 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: But like I said from different people that I don't 17 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 1: you know, you're always marketing to the same audience because 18 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: they're your audience. And so that's why, that's why the 19 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: model of podcasts and doing different types of things and 20 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: having different people on yours does really work because different 21 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: like random like David Lasher who was Vinnie from Blossom, 22 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: was like I listened to you on Rob Blows. I'm 23 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: like what, Like it was just so weird all of it. 24 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, and he's like, I loved what 25 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: you said. It was so inspirational, and he I know him, 26 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: and he's like, I didn't even know your story, so 27 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 1: you know, it hit differently, which is which is nice, 28 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: which says a lot about about you and the combination 29 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: of us who are in a similar generation but speaking 30 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: to some similar people. And then I'm sure you know 31 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: different people. But I enjoyed it. I felt like I 32 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: know you now. And and I was in Santa Barbara recently. 33 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: And I felt like, I know I. Yeah, I know Roblo. 34 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 2: I'm in Barbara. I have friends here. 35 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 3: Well it's well, that's I love hearing that, and I 36 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 3: it's It's true, isn't it? Like it is always interesting 37 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 3: to me when we are out giving interviews or selling 38 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 3: a product or a movie or TV or whatever. Who 39 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 3: is watching or listening to what It's endlessly fascinating to me. 40 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I really do think that if I'm 41 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: not a person who likes unsolicited advice or visits, but 42 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: if I were that person, and I feel like if 43 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: I knocked on your door, you'd be like, hey, come 44 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: on in. 45 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: I feel like we're friends. Now, so I'm. 46 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 3: Already feeling bad that you didn't say, Hey, I'm in 47 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 3: Santa Barbara, let's get coffee. 48 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: I think I message on Instagram, but I don't know 49 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: if you got it. I forget if, like. 50 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 3: You know my Instagram. I it's like I'm not as 51 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 3: good as following the comments maybe as I should be. 52 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I don't believe me. I mean I went 53 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: with my daughter. We stayed at Calamy Goes Ranch and 54 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,839 Speaker 1: Malibu and then drove. 55 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 2: For the day. 56 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 3: What's it like to stay there? 57 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: So Mark Gervitz is a power comedy manager who lives 58 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: in Malibi, like deep Malibu. There's Malibu and then there's 59 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: like deeper Malibu. And I was going to an invented 60 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: his house to see Adam Sandler and a bunch of people. 61 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 2: And I wanted to have. 62 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 1: A staycation versus stay in La where you're going to 63 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: transact and you're going to be in the business of 64 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: show and I didn't want. I wanted to be on 65 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 1: a vacation and feel like I could go to the beach, 66 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: and Malibu is different. So we stayed at this place, 67 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: Klamigos Ranch, which is like very ranchy and very malibuish 68 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 1: and very cowboy buddish and rustic and different than most 69 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: of LA And everybody that I've told that I stayed 70 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: there was like, oh, yeah, no, I've never stayed there 71 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: or I've never been there, and I was like, what 72 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: do you mean? 73 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 2: It's it was shocking. Yeah, So I loved it. 74 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 3: When I was a kid, when I was in junior 75 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 3: high that everybody went to summer camp at Kalamigos Ranch. Yeah. Oh, 76 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 3: and it's been different things. It's been a proper ranch 77 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 3: and that it's been defunct and then it's been revitalized. 78 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 3: But it's I've never stayed there. 79 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: So then we went to your town and I love 80 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: You're in Santa I love that town of Santa Barbara. 81 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: I've been to Monacito and we did that, but like 82 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: that street in Santa Barbara with all those pianos on, 83 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: it was amazing. 84 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 3: I know, right, they've shut since COVID, they shut down 85 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 3: State Street and it's now like a you know, a plaza, 86 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 3: walking plaza. It's Those are two of my favorite places 87 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 3: in Alibu and Montecito and Santa Barbara three of my 88 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 3: favorite I should say. 89 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: Likewise, Okay, so I've done a little bit of reading 90 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: about you, and I had always peripherally gotten a sense 91 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: of you, like I knew you married a makeup artist 92 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: or your makeup artist, and I was sadly jealous at 93 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: the time, and I was just thinking, like, why her 94 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: not me? And I didn't even know you, So that 95 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: was this good reason why we didn't know each other. 96 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: So you got We talked on your podcasts about this 97 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: a little bit. But you you started in you were 98 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: in Ohio and and then you went to la or 99 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: you started in Virginia. 100 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was. I was born in Charlottesville, where my 101 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 3: dad was had just graduated from law school, and then they, 102 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 3: my mother and my dad moved to Dayton and that's 103 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 3: where I had my childhood. My proper you know, from 104 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 3: six months old to twelve was in Dayton, so I 105 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 3: got a real Midwestern childhood. And then my mom and 106 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 3: dad divorced and we ended up in directly from Dayton 107 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 3: to Point Doom in Malibu, which was like going to Mars. Wow. 108 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 1: That's a Fred Hayman from Georgia, Beverly Hills. I planned 109 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: and organized his wedding and so that was my first 110 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: experience at Point Doom. 111 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. Point Doom is there's Malibu and then this's Point Doom. 112 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 3: It's a whole different vibe very and my great obsession 113 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 3: is I want to do a movie or miniseries or 114 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 3: book about what life was like in Malibu but on 115 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 3: Point Doom, in particular in the mid to late seventies, 116 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 3: because it was. 117 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: Not wait so hold on, I was staying when you 118 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: went down to the left was Paradise Cove and then 119 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: to the Point Doom is not in Malibu. 120 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 2: It's like its own thing. 121 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 3: No, it's a part of Malibu, but it's it's it's 122 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 3: because it's a point Okay, it's it's its own neighborhood. 123 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 3: It's it's you know, it's not on the pch like 124 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 3: everything else is. And uh, it's it's just a weird 125 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 3: I don't know if it's the Indian Shoemash mojo there, 126 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 3: but it's both really exciting and interesting and really dark 127 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 3: and weird all at the same time. 128 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 2: Is are there are there reservations there? 129 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 3: No? But it's okay, But it's all real shoemash you know, 130 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 3: the original you know, people of the area. It's it's 131 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 3: very viby in that way. Lots of arrowheads and history. 132 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 2: What high school did you go to? 133 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 3: There was no high school in Malibu then there is now, 134 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 3: and we had to take the bus twenty two miles 135 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 3: to Santa Monica to go to high school. 136 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 2: So you went to Santa Monica High School. Wow? 137 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: Okay, so you really But I mean, starting at twelve, 138 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: you kind of really are a California boy and you 139 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: really never left that sphere, Like you're not that far 140 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: from there now. I mean, you're in that vibe too. 141 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: There's a Malibu vibe, and I feel like Santa Barbara 142 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: is like a Malibu adjacent vibe, having spent that weekend 143 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: wanting to go that way versus go the other way 144 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: into La. 145 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. And again when Malibu, when I moved there, 146 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 3: it was not a show business enclave it is now. 147 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 3: There was a time, you know, I would say in 148 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 3: the early eighties when the studio executives and the agents 149 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 3: all moved out there. But when I grew up there, 150 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 3: it's what Santa Barbara and Montecito were when I moved 151 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 3: up here, which is super rural. People ride their horses 152 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 3: down the street. Wow, not a company town. You get 153 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 3: all walks of life when you like, you know, if 154 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 3: I'm coaching little League, I'm you know, there's the dad's 155 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 3: work in every line of work you could imagine, and 156 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 3: they're not all in show business. So it's it's just 157 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 3: I'm attracted to a little bit of more diversity of 158 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 3: thought and of experience. 159 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: And moving your kids to Santa Barbara when they were 160 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: at an age where things are more influential. That was 161 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: obviously intentional. Is that because of your Midwestern roots, like 162 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,599 Speaker 1: you just wanted to feel some version of that. 163 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted. I wanted them to be able to 164 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 3: be outside a lot. I wanted I wanted, you know, 165 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 3: up here we could we could go to the beach, 166 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 3: maybe take a hike, go to the zoo, and go 167 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 3: to a movie. We could do that all in one 168 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 3: day up here, and in la As, you know, that's 169 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 3: you could do one of them right in a day. 170 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 3: And if you're in Malibu, you can really only do 171 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 3: one of them. 172 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 2: And where's your wife from. 173 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 3: She's a born and bred valley girl. 174 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 2: She's a valley girl, Okay. 175 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 3: And Vally, they're very she is a valley girl, you know, Hollywood. 176 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 3: She grew up in both areas. 177 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 2: So you dragged her. 178 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 3: I dragged her oh, I dragged her. 179 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 2: She dragged her. 180 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:32,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, she was not having it. I had a real 181 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 3: vision though, of I mean, every once in a while 182 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 3: I have a I have a vision of what I 183 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 3: want to do, not all the time, but every once 184 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 3: in a while. And I really was like, this is 185 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 3: really right for us. And I mean it's one of 186 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 3: the smartest things that we ever did as a family, 187 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 3: was was was move up here both I mean in 188 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 3: terms of our lifestyle, what it did for our relationships, 189 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 3: for our marriage, for our kids, and and financially. As 190 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 3: it turns out, more than anything, I've done better in 191 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 3: real estate in Minasita than I've done in my entertainment career. 192 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: That's what I was The next question I was gonna 193 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: ask is did you invest in? You invest early? 194 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 3: YEP? I did years ago yep, and Monacito became only 195 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 3: just continued to become more attractive. And then between people 196 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 3: being able to work from home, the rise of Zoom, 197 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 3: the experience of COVID and a big hotel opening up 198 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 3: the Miramar that brought people from all over the world 199 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 3: to see it, and Megan and Harry moving in, all 200 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 3: of those things turned Monacito into another version of the Hamptons, 201 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 3: which it never was. 202 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: You said last time, and I spoke to you that 203 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: you don't. I don't think you consider yourself a very 204 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: good business person or do you? 205 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 2: Or do you? 206 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 3: It depends. I definitely consider myself a business person, for sure. 207 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 3: You do, so, okay, yeah, for sure. 208 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: Like you are thinking business first, You're marketing your business, 209 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: You're you have a chessboard that you're working in your mind. 210 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 3: I mean, it doesn't supersede my creative but I like 211 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 3: to think that I can get them both to exist 212 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 3: equally within me and neither one is a detriment to 213 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 3: the other. 214 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: And who So when you started making money acting, you 215 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: started investing or that was just you buying your personal property, 216 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: Like what was your business trajectory it was? 217 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 3: It was really just buying the personal property, really and 218 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 3: then you know, selling it and you know, doing well 219 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 3: and moving up the ladder, and then selling that and 220 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 3: doing well and then starting to invest in other areas 221 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 3: of real estate, which is really and I got to 222 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 3: give my wife credit. She has really been the impetus 223 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 3: behind that. 224 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 2: Behind the investing in other real estate. 225 00:11:55,800 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 3: In real estate period, She's got an amazing, amazing sniffer for. 226 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 2: Real estate, the vision of what something could be. 227 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 3: Yes, insane, Yeah, we're just insane. 228 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: I love that and I've done that personally a lot, 229 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: and it was almost unintentional. But during the pandemic, I 230 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: flipped three places and I never I was thinking about 231 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: you talking about your personal real estate for people who 232 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: are thinking about business in different ways. For me, anytime 233 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: I go to look at something, I always think about, 234 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: even if it's for an investment, if I would live there, 235 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: Because if the shit hits the fan and you have 236 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: five different pieces on the board, you could sell four 237 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:37,719 Speaker 1: and you'd be willing to live in any of them, 238 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: like they all work for you. 239 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:40,479 Speaker 2: I like that freedom of thought. 240 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: Where I like that, but if I end up not 241 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,599 Speaker 1: liking it, like a place on the water, maybe I 242 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: don't know what it's like to live on the water, 243 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: but I fantasize about it. I just bought a place, 244 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 1: but I know I could move it or rent it. 245 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: I like to be nimble and the pieces like that. 246 00:12:54,720 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, and for us, the straight investment real estate is 247 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 3: new ish. And you know we we we weren't flippers, 248 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 3: and I don't We're not. Our homes are our homes, 249 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 3: and we live in them. And but we've just had 250 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 3: those those things where people have said, you know, we'd 251 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 3: like to buy it, and you name the price, and 252 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 3: I go, you know what I'm gonna At the end 253 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 3: of the day, I'm still an actor for hire. I 254 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 3: sort of have a fiduciary responsibility to my family to 255 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 3: to say yes to this. But it's not like I'm 256 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 3: I ever build any home to flip. 257 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: It, right, I understand, but your but your wife is 258 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: probably thinking of things being somewhat not neutral. 259 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 2: But I think people think about that in design too. 260 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: You know, you're not putting like crocodile walls because you 261 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: never know what could happen if someone knocks on the door. 262 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Willison, for sure. And I think it's one 263 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 3: of the reasons we have been able to do what 264 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 3: we do is when we we just found a big, 265 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 3: an amazing piece of property. It's a legacy property, been 266 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 3: around since eighteen seventy seven. And when you have something 267 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 3: like that, you have to build something on it that's 268 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 3: equal to the property. And if you don't, then you're 269 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 3: actually taking money off the table. So it's a weird thing. 270 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 3: You're going to spend more, but you're actually making more 271 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 3: than if you you know, you know what I mean. 272 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 3: It's like, yes, you've got if you've got to, you 273 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 3: got to. 274 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 2: If you're gonna do it, you're gonna do it. Yeah, exactly, 275 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 2: you got to do it right. Yeah. 276 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: I live on a house it's seventeen forty three on 277 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: a property with an apple orchard, and like I don't 278 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: mess around with the original wood in the house or 279 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: like I just I you have to honor it. 280 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 2: This is what you're saying. You're honoring. 281 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,359 Speaker 1: You're not gonna like spec house it up on eighteen 282 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: hundred's property. So you've done well, You've made money and 283 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: in show business and in real estate. How do you 284 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: I know you're you have and that you wanted to 285 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: move them there for them to have this sort of 286 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: balance and be grounded. 287 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 2: How do you raise rich kids? 288 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: Because I've talked to more Cuban about this, I've talked 289 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: to myself about this and has it worked and your kids, 290 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: you know, well adjusted work for themselves? 291 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 2: Like did you do this? Did you nail it? 292 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 3: Well? First of all, you know, it's all relative. Even 293 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 3: what is rich, right is relative? You know, Mark Cuban's 294 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 3: got more money than you. 295 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: I do, no, But but even the gay he still 296 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: doesn't want really really really asshole spoiled kids. So he's 297 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: harder for him because he's flying on a private plane. 298 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: We're flying first class, so like at your level, I. 299 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 2: Guess, you know, And. 300 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I think my kids, if you 301 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 3: ask them, they legitimately would not consider themselves rich. Legit, 302 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 3: that's not in the ethos, Like they know they have 303 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 3: this trust fund or they know that when I know 304 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 3: people like this, I've worked with people like who know 305 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 3: that when their dad or mom kicks the bucket or 306 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 3: when grandpa kicks the bucket, they're coming into you know, 307 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 3: a lot of money. They and they you know, it's 308 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 3: always out there in their lives. Obviously that's not my family. 309 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 3: I think that they grew up thinking and having certainly 310 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 3: the experience of being not any different than a lot 311 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 3: of the other kids. Other than you know, maybe the 312 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 3: vacations were nicer, and you know, like you said, maybe 313 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 3: we flew more often. But I tried to give them 314 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 3: a really normal sticks that I could upbringing. I think 315 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 3: the thing that makes it really different is the fame 316 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 3: part of it. 317 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 2: Oh interesting, okay, right right. 318 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 3: Because you know you can be worth four billion dollars 319 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 3: and you can walk into a restaurant nobody knows who 320 00:16:55,160 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 3: you are, and you can be worth you know, four 321 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars and walk into a restaurant and it 322 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 3: stops dead in its tracks. So it's a funny. It's 323 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 3: a funny thing. So I really think there's the how 324 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 3: do you deal with with money? And then there's how 325 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 3: do you deal with being in a family that is 326 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 3: in the public eye? 327 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 1: And are you just are you insular you're not out 328 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: that much? Or you live in a place where no 329 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: one cares? And you know, what's it like when you're 330 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: with them in La? 331 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 2: Do they care? Do they What is that like in 332 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 2: your house? Fame? And is your wife annoyed by it? 333 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 3: Well, the thing is the one of the reasons I 334 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 3: consciously moved out of La was I didn't want my 335 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 3: kids growing up, you know, around paparazzi and and and 336 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 3: and where the currency of the realm is your fame, 337 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 3: and that just is what it is in La. There's 338 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 3: no way to skin that cat. When I grew up 339 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 3: in Malibu, there were there were horses at the hitching 340 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 3: posts at the market. They're gone and they're replaced with 341 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 3: paparazzi staking people out, which wasn't there. So I tried 342 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 3: I recreated it, and so they just didn't. They'd come 343 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 3: home and go Dad. They'd visit a friend in Melibou. Dad. 344 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 3: They had a screening room and we watched a movie 345 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 3: there and Jim Carrey came over and they're talking like 346 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 3: they're from you know, Ohio, right, you know, and and that, 347 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,479 Speaker 3: and I was like, yeah, that's good. They should be. 348 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 3: They should have stars in their eyes like that and 349 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 3: feel that way. And you know, my other my son 350 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 3: is the actor, didn't start out that way. He started 351 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 3: out as a a stem cell scientist and went to 352 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 3: Stanford and then came out and decided he wanted to 353 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 3: be an actor and a writer. And of course I 354 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 3: was that was not a happy day for me. I 355 00:18:54,800 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 3: was like, I had a molecular biologist have an actor. 356 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 1: My daughter kind of acts like when she went from 357 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 1: this public school to this private school, she acted like 358 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: she was sort of on scholarship. She was like, oh 359 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 1: my god, mom, they give free art supplies and she 360 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:16,239 Speaker 1: was so excited. And I think that's because, you know, 361 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: just because I buy things that I want or I 362 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: worked hard to get all this. 363 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 2: It doesn't mean it's a free for all. 364 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: And I have all these rules that you know, if 365 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: you really want something, you have to give something up 366 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: or you have to work for it. And it is 367 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 1: a discipline like I do really work really hard, and 368 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: I do have to pull on the reins a lot, 369 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: and I like that. I think it's like it feels 370 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: like a project, Like your kids are the best possible 371 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: project's you get such a ROI on the time you 372 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: invest in them and these kind of principles, and you 373 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:50,719 Speaker 1: can be struggling financially and have spoiled kids for sure. 374 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 3: Entitled spoiled. You know, it happens, It can happen to 375 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 3: It can happen to kids anywhere. Yah, really it really absolutely. 376 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 3: Entitlement is I think the worst, the worst element of it. 377 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 3: But I also think that they take their cues from 378 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 3: their parents. And you know, I work my ass off 379 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 3: and and so yeah, and so does Cheryl. Oh, I 380 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 3: mean she, I mean she literally this week flew to 381 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 3: Washington for her jewelry business, came home last night, flew 382 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 3: to Arizona and came home and she's out there on 383 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 3: the floor selling Neiman Marcus, doing her thing. It's like 384 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 3: she's have to do that. 385 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 2: No, but yeah, and have you ever like, was there? 386 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: It's my turn in your relationship because it's been very 387 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: much about you and your career. 388 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 2: Was there. 389 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: It's my turn after her, you know, helping you raise 390 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: the kids and all that, or it's just always been 391 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: an ebb and flow. 392 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 3: It's always been that way. I Mean, one of the 393 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 3: reasons I married her was she had this and remains. 394 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 3: She has the strongest work ethic of anybody I've ever known. 395 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 3: And that's saying something because mine is strong. And so 396 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 3: whether it's raising the raising the kids, or starting a 397 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 3: makeup line, or or building the homes that we have 398 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 3: or the or then she had, she also has from 399 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 3: time to time built for other people. She always has 400 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 3: always worked, she will always. 401 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 1: Work interesting and so your work ethic comes from your 402 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: upbringing and your family, right. 403 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. But part of it I think is Listen, I 404 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 3: think part of its genetic because my mom was sort 405 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 3: of very artsy and not really a worker. My dad 406 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 3: is eighty four and still goes into the office, uh, 407 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 3: you know, practices law. My grandpa, who is very close 408 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 3: to my mom's side, just a eighth grade education, you know. 409 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 3: It became the first millionaire in his city. You know, 410 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 3: So it's it's kind of I think it's kind of 411 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 3: in the DNA a little bit. Maybe. 412 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: So you were always working your ass off, like you're 413 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: working as hard as you were when you were younger, 414 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: Like you were always this. 415 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 3: Way paper routes, you know, bus boy. I mean I 416 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 3: did get fired from every job that I had that 417 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 3: wasn't around show business because I'm not really cut out 418 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 3: for the real world methany. 419 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 1: But but you're cut out for show business, and while 420 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 1: I guess real estate, you're you're cut out for non 421 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: traditional business. 422 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 3: Yes, I am. I designed first of all. I had 423 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 3: designed my entire life to try to not deal with math. 424 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 3: And you know, listen that I'm really good on the 425 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 3: other side of my brain, and I've I've really learned 426 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 3: a lot about I can get by with numbers, obviously, 427 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 3: because you have to if you're going to be in 428 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 3: any kind of a business. But I avoid it. It's 429 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 3: not my jam. I don't like it. I appreciate people 430 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 3: who do. I'm very much a creative person with a 431 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 3: you know what It's like, people say, do you sing? 432 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 3: It's like I'm an actor who sings. Which is very 433 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 3: different than being a singer who acts or a singer 434 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 3: m And it's that way that way with business. I 435 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 3: am a storyteller, entertainer, producer, director who also is in business. 436 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: Right right right when you were partying, how could you 437 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: have that same work ethic or you were just partying 438 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: and then you would wake up and you would just 439 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: be hurting a little bit. You always had the same 440 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: work ethic, just exhausted a little stripped. 441 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 3: Exactly when I'm out of you danceeteria at the Hampton's 442 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 3: till you know, four o'clock in the morning and I 443 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 3: got to get up to shoot Masquerade, you just you 444 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 3: suck it up and go. 445 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I get that. 446 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 4: You know. 447 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 3: Also it's a little bit of like you emulate your idols, 448 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 3: and you know, my idols today are really really different 449 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 3: than they were then. But then you know, it was 450 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 3: like Jack Nicholson Man, he's out partying, is at the Roxy, 451 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 3: you know, the shades on at two am, and then 452 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 3: he's on the set of the Witches of Eastwick, Man's 453 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 3: Courtside of the Laker Games. It lives up in Mohuland, 454 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 3: and he's got seventeen girlfriends. 455 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 2: Man. 456 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, like that was what I thought was cool. Mm hmm. 457 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 458 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: In many ways, I don't. The younger generation. I worry 459 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: about them, but not in that way. I think they're 460 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: more evolved in wanting to feel good and drinking macha 461 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: and asai, and whether it all works or. 462 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 2: Not, I don't know. 463 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: But they're aware of like well being in balance where 464 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 1: we were not. 465 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 2: But I'm the same as you. It's a prose play, 466 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 2: hurt model, tough shit. 467 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 3: One one Honda, same with my same with my wife. 468 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 3: Same and you know little and John Oen, my my 469 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 3: acting son. Uh, you know, he's he's very open about it. 470 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 3: He's also sober, and he was the same. He was 471 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 3: like pros play hurt right, work hard, play hard. 472 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, but now it doesn't have to be 473 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be so exhausting. 474 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 2: It's okay to feel good. 475 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: So sobriety is a major major role in your career. 476 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 3: And in and in our family's life, for sure major. 477 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 3: I wouldn't have anything without it, really what it is is, 478 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 3: I think it would have been just the law of 479 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 3: diminishing returns. I would been like the frog the slowly 480 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 3: gets boiled alive in the in the in the in 481 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 3: the water as you incrementally just you know, can't feel it, 482 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 3: and just yeah, that would have been me with my 483 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 3: you know, personal life and career. 484 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: Like death by a thousand paper cuts. It was just like, yeah, 485 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: well that's my Was it really hard to quit everything 486 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: or was it? Like they're different, They're fifty shades of addiction. 487 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 1: I've taken classes on it. And some people are bingers, 488 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: some people are just always in their life. They call 489 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: it a French type alcoholic, and some people really hit rock. 490 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 2: So what was your relationship to substances? 491 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 3: Mine was I was kind of a periodic, they would say. 492 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 3: And so you're, you know, you're up at Charlie Sheen's 493 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 3: pool and you got your coronas and you're you're working 494 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 3: out at the gym. You's being tough, and then you 495 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 3: have a couple of coronas and then the next thing 496 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 3: you know, you're you know, you're you're you're looking for 497 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 3: the blow or whatever, maybe because it's nighttime and you 498 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 3: go out to and then you're chasing girls around and 499 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 3: you're doing it's like you're twenty you're nineteen, twenty twenty 500 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 3: one years old, and and that was sort of the 501 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 3: vibe for me, and I just at a certain point 502 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 3: realized that I was never going to have the life 503 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 3: I wanted continuing that. And so when I was ready, 504 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 3: I went to Sierra Tucson and and it was the 505 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 3: best thing I ever did. And I actually loved being 506 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 3: in rehab. I loved it. I learned so much. I 507 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 3: was always a pleasure to have in class. In school, 508 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 3: I was in the front, I'm in the front row 509 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 3: raising my hand. That was always me. And I was 510 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 3: the same in rehab. And I learned a ton And 511 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 3: you know, you know, by the grace of God, I've 512 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 3: never had to slip. I've never had to go back. 513 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 3: I got from the minute I got sober, I've stayed sober. 514 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,640 Speaker 3: I was thirty three years ago. 515 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: Because you work your ass off, so you work your 516 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: ass But is it is it a struggle now or 517 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 1: it's just is. 518 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 2: What it is? 519 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 3: Right, it's in my DNA, it's being you know, having 520 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 3: the ism is a struggle because it's like whack a mole. Yeah, 521 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 3: like every decade there's I realized that it's morphed into 522 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 3: something else that I need to look at and like, 523 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 3: right now this is going to sound insane, but I 524 00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 3: know it's driven from the same thing. It's waking up 525 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 3: at midnight and going, you know what, you need to 526 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 3: go to the kitchen and binge on some hogindaws. 527 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 2: It's noise. The noise is in a different area. 528 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, you know, some people it's gambling, some people 529 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 3: at sex. Some people it's uh workaholism. Yeah, some people 530 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 3: it's overtraining. I mean it yeah, never goes away. It 531 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 3: just moves and just hopefully it moves into stuff that's 532 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 3: less and less harmful and easier and easier to deal with. 533 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: Mine is organizing and getting rid of. It's obsessive, It's 534 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: it's insane. 535 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 2: I mean, it's that that's mine. 536 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 4: Are you a collector or getting get rid of I'm 537 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 4: not a hoarder at all, but I Freud would have 538 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 4: a field day with me walking into this accidental influencer 539 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 4: business and everybody sending me everything, and so there's a. 540 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: Curiosity about it. And also I like to purchase. I'm 541 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: a purchaser of certain things that I do collect, and 542 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: then I just get overwhelmed by that we really don't 543 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: need so much and why is this all here? And 544 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: I just wanted, you know, but it's definitely not a hoarder' 545 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: I have the most organized the Macula house you could imagine. 546 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: But it's just I'm just there's too much in coming 547 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: out going stuff, you know. Like that's why I wouldn't 548 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: be good at really being an interior designer, because it 549 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: would be too noisy for me to have like a J. 550 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: Dart or candles or like I don't want like a 551 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: storage facility of any shit ever. 552 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 2: I want it out. So that's a sickness. 553 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I like it. 554 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good one. It's not it's like working out. 555 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: It's good because I could come into your house and 556 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: organize it and you'd be so happy. 557 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 3: It's so funny you say that, because again, one of 558 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 3: the things about my wife that I remember, you know, 559 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 3: and I was actively dating big time and she was 560 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 3: among the people that I was seeing, and she came 561 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 3: over and organized my coffee table, the books on my 562 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 3: coffee table. As long as I live, no one else 563 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 3: done that. 564 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 2: That's nice. 565 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 3: No one else's never done that. 566 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 2: That's hilarious. 567 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: Well, your marriage is a big part of your identity too, 568 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: and you seem to be pretty good at it. No 569 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: marriage is perfect, but I'm asking if, like you've had 570 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: serious bumps to make us all feel better about our 571 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: miserable lives, or have you not? 572 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 3: And this is one of the reasons why, you know, 573 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 3: to the extent that I ever hesitated to talk about it. 574 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 3: The temptation is that, oh, well, it must be perfect, 575 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 3: and well, sure, anybody can be married for thirty three 576 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 3: years if it's perfect and there aren't any struggles or 577 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 3: you know, and that's not the case. I mean, it 578 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,479 Speaker 3: just isn't, you know. Every it's it's no different than 579 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 3: a long career. If you are in a long marriage 580 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 3: or if you're in a long career, by definition, you're 581 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 3: going to have those fallow periods because nothing in life 582 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 3: remains the same. Nothing nothing, nothing, nothing, stock market, business relationships, 583 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 3: they all have their ups and downs. And I think 584 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 3: the difference is both in careers and marriages, is how 585 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 3: you react when they're down. And that's an amazing point, 586 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 3: and that's the difference. That is literally the difference in 587 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 3: a long career, short career, or a long marriage or 588 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 3: a short marriage is what do you do? Do you run? 589 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 3: Do you blame? Can you live in acceptance? Can you change? 590 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 3: Can the other person change? Can you forgive? Can you 591 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 3: take responsibility all of those things, and a lot of 592 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 3: people can't do any of them. 593 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: It's a great point. And do you lean in and 594 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: be like all right, let's let's work this thing through, 595 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: or like you. 596 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 3: Said, we work hard. Listen, we do marriage therapy even 597 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 3: when we don't quote unquote need it. 598 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 2: You want to lock the door so you don't get robbed. 599 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 3: So yeah, and it's like it's like you too, it's 600 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 3: to you send your car and to get tuned up. 601 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: So true, it's such a that's a great that's such 602 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: a that's that's that's really a great note. And so 603 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: you've had some serious roadblocks, like you've been canceled in 604 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: a time when people didn't even get canceled. And I've 605 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: thought about not even since meeting you, I've thought about 606 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: that in my life. 607 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 2: I don't know why that. 608 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: I don't believe that would even be on the board 609 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: for cancelation as long like things hit differently back then, 610 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: and so it was looked bad to me overall. On 611 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,959 Speaker 1: a one to ten of like your career being stratospheric, 612 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: I envisioned it that your career was stratospheric. You hit 613 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: a brick wall and then you were not present for 614 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: a while, and then all of a sudden you started 615 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: to slowly come back in different types of things. 616 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 2: That's how I perceive it. So how accurate is that. 617 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 3: I would say that that's pretty accurate. I would say 618 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 3: that there are two things that I think that that 619 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 3: add to it a little more context. One is I 620 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 3: actually think that in many ways, my ill fated appearance 621 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 3: on the Academy Awards did as much damage. I was 622 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 3: asked to open the Academy Awards and to do a 623 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 3: song with snow White, and it felt like a really 624 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 3: good idea at the time, and it was a terrible idea. 625 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 3: It was a badly conceived It was supposed to be silly, 626 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 3: and people hated it. And then I think it Then 627 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 3: post all of that, I got sober, went away to rehab, 628 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 3: got serious with my wife, got married, moved out of 629 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 3: LA started having kids. So I was, I mean, I'm 630 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 3: sure it was a sort of a mutual decision in 631 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 3: terms of Hollywood and me, Like I was. I look, 632 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 3: I spent the eighties dealing work, building my career, and 633 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 3: I spent the nineties building myself. 634 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 2: Wow. So you so it was the bestest thing that 635 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 2: ever happened to you. 636 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 3: In ways not in ways, it was the best thing 637 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 3: that ever happened to me, full stop. 638 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: Do you feel like you were so like it was 639 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 1: it was almost like a self fulfilling prophecy to have failed. 640 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 1: You feel like you were reckless and like kind of 641 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: looking for something you were looking for a. 642 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,240 Speaker 3: While to hit one hundred percent. No, I absolutely remember 643 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 3: feeling like, like, you know, it's it's it's it's the 644 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 3: the criminal that that once wants to be arrested. Stop. 645 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: Wow. So so you were you You weren't like, oh fuck, 646 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 1: my career is over because you take that kind of 647 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: make that kind of change. Did you have a backup 648 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: plan or did you know you have enough control over 649 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: who you are and that you're robblow and that you 650 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: can come back when you decide, Because most people like 651 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: you said, if someone knocks on the door, you're going 652 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,919 Speaker 1: to sell your house. If you go away, you could 653 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 1: be obsolete in the entertainment industry. 654 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 3: I never thought about it in that way. And then 655 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 3: I because all I was thinking about at the time 656 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 3: when I was getting sober was it's time for me. 657 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 3: I'm getting I'm doing this for me. I'm not doing 658 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 3: it for my career. I'm not doing it for public consumption. 659 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,839 Speaker 3: I'm not doing it to stay together with my then 660 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 3: girlfriend Cheryl, who became my wife. I was doing it 661 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 3: for me and it was probably the first thing that 662 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:40,359 Speaker 3: I ever really did just for me ever, and it 663 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 3: was all I could think about. It required everything and 664 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 3: anything else that bubbled up around it, like what about 665 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 3: my career? What about it? I was like, don't care. 666 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,879 Speaker 3: Right well, let the chips fall where they may. Who 667 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 3: knows I'm. 668 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 2: Doing It's funny. 669 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: Matthew McConaughey made a similar I don't know if you 670 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 1: read his book Green Lights, but he made a similar 671 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: decision about like I'm not taking these like shirtless rom coms, 672 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: and he stood tight. He just knew there was a 673 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: moment when he had to do something, and that was 674 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,800 Speaker 1: my moment, was leaving the housewives. As ridiculous as that sounds, 675 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: it was millions of dollars, and it was you know, 676 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,879 Speaker 1: my business manager said, or my someone said, trees grow high, 677 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: they don't grow high to the s guy, take the 678 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,320 Speaker 1: millions of dollars right now until you can't get it anymore. 679 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 2: And I made. 680 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 1: A decision to intervene, and just like this is like 681 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 1: I've got to reinvent and do everything differently now. And 682 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: it's a nice feeling. And people have to be in 683 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 1: tune and aware and courageous enough to do that. 684 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 3: But we'll also to hear the voice inside of them 685 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 3: and honor that. Yes, you have to be courageous on 686 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:38,839 Speaker 3: top of that to do it. 687 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,399 Speaker 2: What age was that at that you that you did 688 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:42,479 Speaker 2: that twenty six? 689 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: That was young to be making those kind of big 690 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,759 Speaker 1: boy decisions to be like getting going and going to 691 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 1: rehabit and getting married. 692 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:49,439 Speaker 3: That was you. 693 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 2: You peaked early. 694 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I I had a lot of life. 695 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 3: I had more life experience than the average twenty six 696 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 3: yearl that's for sure. I'd been more, done more, seen more, 697 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 3: learned more. And but yes, looking back on it, it's 698 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 3: younger than any of my kids are now. Yeah, totally 699 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,240 Speaker 3: that I look back on it and go, what the hell? 700 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:13,839 Speaker 2: So? 701 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: Lauren Michael's once said to me at dinner. He was 702 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: talking about somebody else on SNL or something. It wasn't 703 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,800 Speaker 1: about me, but I just never forget it. He said, 704 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: you have to make an exit to be able to 705 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:25,240 Speaker 1: make an entrance. 706 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 3: It's such a great It's one of my favorite laurenisms. 707 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 1: The last two questions I have. People have given me 708 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 1: one piece of advice, like I don't fix them, I 709 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: fix me, or every day we check in once a day. 710 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,360 Speaker 2: These things that I sometimes say. 711 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: Oh god, well I don't do that, Like what is 712 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 1: your thing that you guys do that seems simple to 713 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 1: you but would help other people in relationships? 714 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 3: Well, there's two things. The number one thing is, let's 715 00:37:55,360 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 3: hope you've chosen right to begin with, because really the 716 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 3: die is cast with who you choose, because, as you 717 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 3: allude to in the advice, you can't change another person. 718 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:17,399 Speaker 3: Changing yourself is hard. It's like Cheryl and I are 719 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 3: simpotico on so many things, money, politics, where we want 720 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 3: to go on vacations. Uniforms are not uniforms in schools. 721 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 3: I mean you name it, not name the list of 722 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 3: from the from the banal to the really intense. And 723 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 3: I am going to be on the exact same page 724 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:49,800 Speaker 3: with her all the time. Now we happen to disagree 725 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 3: on something very important to me. Comedy. Cheryl Lowe does 726 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 3: not understand comedy. 727 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 1: She doesn't and what do you mean she doesn't understand common? 728 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,919 Speaker 1: But like, does she not think you were funny because 729 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: I know couples were one person's funny and the other 730 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:04,800 Speaker 1: person doesn't think they're funny. 731 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:05,720 Speaker 2: Does she think you're funny? 732 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 3: She's smart enough to know that other people think I'm funny. See, yes, 733 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,839 Speaker 3: no she doesn't. She's a horrible laugh for me. She's 734 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 3: a black hole. Oh in my one man shows, and 735 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 3: it's a it's a running joke amongst our friends and family. 736 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 3: So like, by the way, for some people, that would 737 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,320 Speaker 3: be a barrier to entry. 738 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. I'm a comedy snob. And would you 739 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 1: think she's she funny? 740 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:36,799 Speaker 3: No? See? Wow, here's another thing. And I've had I had, 741 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,839 Speaker 3: I had one girlfriend in particular. All we did was laugh. 742 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:48,240 Speaker 3: It was fucking amazing. But you know what, it's it's fine, 743 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 3: It's it's she would have, by the way, a terrible 744 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 3: wife and a terrible life partner. Right. You know, she 745 00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 3: just doesn't like Bruce Springsteen and her music. I feel 746 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 3: like I can feel the pot smoke in the air 747 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 3: when I listen to the music. 748 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 1: That's my fiance, Paul. It's say, it's like fish and 749 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: Grateful Dead. Yeah, and it's funny. But the music, the 750 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: music and the comedy, those aren't what I call in 751 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 1: a book that I wrote called I Suck at relationships. 752 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,759 Speaker 1: So you don't have to fundamental differences. I believe you 753 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,320 Speaker 1: can't have fundamental differences by and large, like the things 754 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 1: that you know, just like you said the way you 755 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 1: parent money, things like that, like values, core values. And 756 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 1: then the last question is what was your rose and 757 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 1: your thorn of your career? 758 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:43,920 Speaker 3: Ooh, I think the rose continues to be the rose, 759 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:49,360 Speaker 3: which is I. For whatever reason, I have been able 760 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:54,719 Speaker 3: to plant my flag in the comedy world and the 761 00:40:54,800 --> 00:41:02,120 Speaker 3: drama world. And I also have not been pigeonholed in 762 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:06,960 Speaker 3: that I can do funny commercials for Direct TV, and 763 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 3: I can do a serious drama in the West End 764 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,879 Speaker 3: in London, and I can produce and do a game show. 765 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,480 Speaker 3: I can. I kind of get to do whatever. I 766 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 3: can write best selling books, I can. I can kind 767 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 3: of do whatever I think is interesting and that I'm 768 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:31,759 Speaker 3: going to learn from without it bumping people, when people 769 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,319 Speaker 3: saying what the hell and people accepting it. So to me, 770 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 3: that's the that's if there's a rose, that's the rose 771 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 3: and the thorn. Probably. I mean, I'm such an optimist 772 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 3: it's hard for me to even think of what the 773 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 3: thorn is, I don't know. I think the thorn is 774 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 3: more systemic, and I think the thorn is just that 775 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,440 Speaker 3: the business is so much harder than it's ever been. 776 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,919 Speaker 3: It's it's harder on every level. 777 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,960 Speaker 1: And you work hard because it's just who you are. 778 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 1: You're not necessarily working towards something like, you're just always 779 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,239 Speaker 1: setting new goals and you just like to work. 780 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:10,280 Speaker 2: It's the journey. 781 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 3: It's the It's for sure the journey. I mean, I 782 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,719 Speaker 3: think the minute you thinking go, ah, well I've done it, 783 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 3: or well I've really don't. I never allow myself to 784 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:24,319 Speaker 3: I feel exactly the same as I did at the 785 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:30,360 Speaker 3: beginning of my career. Other than I also will allow 786 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,600 Speaker 3: myself to look back and see how far I've come. 787 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,360 Speaker 1: We're the same age. I think you got a second 788 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,400 Speaker 1: wind because I got a second win. Like sometimes you 789 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,319 Speaker 1: think maybe it's a little exhausting and I want to 790 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,800 Speaker 1: rest a little, and I maybe near done. And I 791 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,480 Speaker 1: don't know if that's like self defense or something, you 792 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 1: know it any self protection, But I've caught a big 793 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,040 Speaker 1: wind and it feels good. I think it's this age, 794 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 1: you know, it's like not a midlife crisis. It's just 795 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:58,520 Speaker 1: like a reinvigoration and really fine tuning, like sharpening the 796 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,719 Speaker 1: knife so you don't have to waste time swimming with 797 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 1: your arms and legs, wasting all this energy. 798 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 2: You're like right hooked in. 799 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:08,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. The other thing is I don't. I definitely experience 800 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,279 Speaker 3: and and and and life has gotten me to a 801 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 3: place where I also really know where I'm valuable and 802 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:22,400 Speaker 3: what my value is. I'm not. I'm not suffering fools 803 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:27,759 Speaker 3: anymore anymore. I really did, and and I know, even 804 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,920 Speaker 3: though I'm super diverse and what I'm interested in, I 805 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,560 Speaker 3: also know my lane if that makes any sense. Yeah, 806 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 3: I counterintuitive, but but but I really know, like where 807 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,279 Speaker 3: what moves the needle for me. 808 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:42,600 Speaker 2: Well that's kind of what I mean. 809 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,719 Speaker 1: You don't need to fuck around and waste time, like 810 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,520 Speaker 1: you know what you're supposed to do. You'll take chances 811 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 1: if you're inspired. But like it's a quality versus quantity model. Yeah, 812 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,719 Speaker 1: I love it. I love meeting you, talking to you 813 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,919 Speaker 1: and knowing you and versa. Really, so we're friends now. 814 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,399 Speaker 1: And when I'm in Santa Barbara, I'm coming over. 815 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll show you, I'll show you the real estate. 816 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,719 Speaker 3: I mean we need. Yes, you need, as they say, 817 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:07,919 Speaker 3: a footprint over here. 818 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 2: I think, yes, I do. 819 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,120 Speaker 1: I love it. My daughter loves it. So so amazing 820 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,279 Speaker 1: talking to you. Thank you for having me on your show, 821 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,879 Speaker 1: and thank you for coming online. And give my love 822 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:17,560 Speaker 1: to your family. 823 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,000 Speaker 3: I will. And this is great. It was. It was 824 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 3: so fun to be a guest. 825 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:22,879 Speaker 2: It's different for you. 826 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,880 Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's this is this is the best. 827 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,600 Speaker 2: I mean, you're a good guest. You're a very good guest. 828 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 3: Oh good. Yeah, I even't lost it by being a 829 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:32,759 Speaker 3: host for so long. Now home. 830 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,319 Speaker 2: No, you're a very good host and you're a very 831 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:36,680 Speaker 2: good guest. So that's awesome. 832 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, really good. That's why I wanted to talk forever. 833 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 1: You're just very good guests. So thank you for talking 834 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:41,840 Speaker 1: to me. 835 00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,160 Speaker 3: Thank you. It was great being here. 836 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 1: I was on Rob Lowe's podcast, and I really liked him. 837 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:54,719 Speaker 1: He's a good talker, he's a good listener. He's evolved, 838 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:59,799 Speaker 1: he is emotionally intelligent, he is a hard worker, he's 839 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,280 Speaker 1: very inspirational, and I really really enjoyed doing his podcast, 840 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,640 Speaker 1: and I'm honored and humbled that he wanted to do mine. 841 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,640 Speaker 1: You know, as a result of that conversation, because I 842 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,680 Speaker 1: do think that sometimes people think I'm just some nit 843 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:18,840 Speaker 1: wit reality star, and there are just some times that 844 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,680 Speaker 1: people come on and I feel like I'm not worthy, 845 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,960 Speaker 1: and it was exciting to have him on, and I 846 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:27,120 Speaker 1: thought he was extraordinary, as good a guest as he 847 00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:27,760 Speaker 1: is a host