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Speaker 1: Labrega is back this season.

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Speaker 2: We're spending time with the people and symbols that represent

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Speaker 2: Puerto Rico.

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Speaker 3: We're proud and what does that mean?

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Speaker 1: And we are still in re fy.

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Speaker 2: We're telling stories about champions from a place worth fighting for,

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Speaker 2: stories that will inspire you no matter where you're from.

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Speaker 2: Come ok, Wow, this is La Brega campaign. Listen early

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Speaker 3: Do you talk to your plants? Anna?

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I like to put them music.

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Speaker 4: There is like these amazing like Plantasia, Like this album you.

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Speaker 1: Should listen to it is amazing.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you know I'm about to listen to that for sure.

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Speaker 1: People that love like Fancis. Wow.

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Speaker 3: Were you always a plant mother, Ana Tiju?

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Speaker 4: I mean my mother always had plans at home. Was

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Speaker 4: part of the ambience of home. So I was barn batan.

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Speaker 4: But I'm not a specialist at all. Like I just

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Speaker 3: Is that about Sarah?

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Speaker 1: I don't know what's the name? Like they say that

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Speaker 1: is for to have abundancia of the name of the plant.

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Speaker 1: I just love them.

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Speaker 3: From Fuduro Media, It's Latino USA. I'm Maria in no Hosa.

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Speaker 3: Today I sit down with French Chilean Rabera an a

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Speaker 3: tissue and despite the plant chit jet that you just heard,

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Speaker 3: we actually get very political. We talk about her extensive career,

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Speaker 3: today's global politics, and she even grazes us by singing

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Speaker 3: a song a cappella. From the nineteen seventies to the nineties,

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Speaker 3: Chile was under the rule of a repressive dictator named Agupinoche.

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Speaker 5: A regime and for torture, persecution, and the violent suppression

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Speaker 3: During that time, many exiles left Chile from Mexico, Canada,

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Speaker 3: Sweden and France. But in the nineteen nineties, with the

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Speaker 3: fall of Pinochet, many people returned. They brought back their children,

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Speaker 3: and Chile experienced an artistic wave of young people. Those

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Speaker 3: including hip hop. One of those children returning from exile

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Speaker 3: was an At Tiju. Born in France to Chilean parents,

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Speaker 3: Anatiju grew up hearing about politics.

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Speaker 3: Anat Tiju's music is a reflection of those politics, blending

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Speaker 3: in influence. Lyrically, her music has ranged donos dissvemodars, from

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Speaker 3: calling out capitalism and indigenous resistance to the gentleness of motherhood.

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Speaker 3: And started her musical career as part of the hip

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Speaker 3: hop group Machisa. She pivoted to making a name for

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Speaker 3: release of her album min Sientos, which is nineteen seventy seven,

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Speaker 3: Slum Village. Let's get to our conversation. Your parents leave

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Speaker 3: Chile go to France. So what were you listening to

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Speaker 3: We have to listen to the amazing music that's coming

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Speaker 4: When you're a kid, you're always had Mayo parents and

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Speaker 4: France put me a lot of hip hop of that

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Speaker 7: These gentlemen's come all the way from France, Day Nasty.

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Speaker 1: But they never had an issue with that.

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Speaker 4: In the middle of the economical disaster.

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Speaker 1: The country faced an acute economic crisis, decreased government spending.

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Speaker 4: The implementation of near liberalism in.

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Speaker 1: Like, oh, I'm super proud about that.

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Speaker 3: So at some point, you and your family make the

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Speaker 3: decision right to all move back to Chile, Am I right?

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Speaker 4: They give like some lists when people could come back

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Speaker 4: So we always knew that when my parents could come back,

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Speaker 4: What was it like when you moved back and it

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Speaker 4: be was horrible? Like it was horrible for me, Yes,

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Speaker 4: Began to laugh also of myself. So yes, it took

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Speaker 4: Like I said, Wow, this country is amazing, and I

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Speaker 3: So how does all of that lead you to say,

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Speaker 4: Before before it was in France, really in friends, I

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Speaker 3: And so the nineties formative years for you as a musician.

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Speaker 3: You come together with your hip hop crew.

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Speaker 7: Mama se Mama Sa, Mamama, Guisa, Machisa.

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Speaker 3: I want to talk about the song Vida Salvage in

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety seven armadoism ask what did it mean at

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Speaker 1: I will say that when you see every city and

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Speaker 4: I found very very quickly how to use words and

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Speaker 3: I really do love the song La Rossvientos. It's a

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Speaker 4: It's funny because I always profound that song, like I

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Speaker 3: So many children right now are migrants, immigrants, refugees. You

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Speaker 4: Immigration is the issue right now in twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 1: And it's crazy right now that.

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Speaker 3: We're going to take a break here and when we

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Speaker 8: That's after the Break, not yes, hey, y'all, Sam Sanders.

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Speaker 9: Here it's finally Awards season, but year round we celebrate

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Speaker 9: the best in film, TV and pop culture and share

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Speaker 9: the real stories behind all of it, like the legendary

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Speaker 3: Welcome back. Before the Break, we talked with Anna Tijou

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Speaker 3: about her decades long career and how living in Chile

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Speaker 3: about her latest concert in Barcelona, where she made headlines

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Speaker 3: for the sweatshirt she was wearing. Let's get back to

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Speaker 3: my conversation. You were wearing a sweatshirt, right, and that

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Speaker 4: Because you don't need to live in the United States

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Speaker 4: to feel about something. You don't need to live in

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Speaker 4: in Sudant what is going on right now, EXTRACTIVISMO. You

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Speaker 1: Perhaps, but this is wrong. We're talking about common sense,

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to put together that new fact with what

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Speaker 10: The son of a car carrying Nazi you moved to

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Speaker 7: Warston cast are far right conservative, will be Chile's next

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Speaker 10: Now a fifty nine year old lawyer with nine children

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Lucidity CDC and calm. That's my two words

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Speaker 3: Lucidity, calm and not blame I mean yourself exactly. We'll

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Speaker 3: want to miss Anatiju singing a cappella. Hey, we're back.

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Speaker 3: so my kids actually grew up listening to your music

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Speaker 1: Meaning of the meaning of the Sianti sane.

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Speaker 4: When I made that song, it's funny because like I

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Speaker 1: Was very natural. I put it on words and verse

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Speaker 3: So yes, my kids were listening to your music as

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Speaker 4: Totally yes, totally yes, because I'm not a publicist. And

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Speaker 4: It's so convenient to the politician to say that we

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Speaker 4: and that's affect all of us, like the health, the education,

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Speaker 4: how they build the city. That's why I love politics.

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Speaker 4: I'm not fan of politician, but I love political to

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Speaker 3: A model. All Right, we're gonna get back to your music,

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Speaker 3: because your new album is called ninety seven. It is

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Speaker 3: going back to the nineties and the importance that the

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Speaker 4: Why go back to the nineties, because it's a golden

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Speaker 1: So and I always say, oh, this music is so good,

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Speaker 1: and you take age so well. Like good wine. I've

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Speaker 4: So perhaps for me it was the best way to

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Speaker 1: Feel three feelings, keep your three stars seem me talk

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Speaker 4: That makes me super happy. And plants and cats like plants, cats,

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Speaker 3: Plants, cats, vinyl and wine. Yes, no, Stamile.

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Speaker 4: No, No, I let you to be older. I enjoyed

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Speaker 1: I like it like it's I have more fun than before.

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Speaker 4: I laugh a lot. I always laugh, but now I

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you're in the mood to sing

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Speaker 4: I could sing hm ah, I would sing a song.

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Speaker 4: I did that for my sister, and it's a sad

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Speaker 4: Heard the name of the song Istagna, so I took

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Speaker 6: Guanda, yeah, Dolano, Lama, maybe Nana, it's a massa Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Be Luci, Kevin Comb to You, Memorial and c Moment.

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Speaker 7: Canada Talo perce a sin no ma vero, caci preta.

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Speaker 4: Loser Helliano.

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Speaker 3: Vamps still had.

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Speaker 1: But she was a very happy person. So I remember

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Speaker 3: We're happy Tempa desconce. That was French Chilean rapper Anati Ju.

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