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Speaker 1: Now your host Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, and Shannon Gross. Boy,
Speaker 1: have we got a treat for the listeners today? Normally
Speaker 1: I would check in to see how you guys were doing,
Speaker 1: what you thought about the draft? But we have such
Speaker 1: a special guest that is he probably doesn't have much
Speaker 1: free time these days, or maybe he does have a
Speaker 1: lot of free time now that a big chunk of
Speaker 1: his job has been put to bed. Let's welcome to
Speaker 1: the show. Chris Hall, Assistant director of College Scouting. How
Speaker 1: are you, Chris good? How are you guys doing? Great? Man?
Speaker 1: You've been on the show. What this will be your
Speaker 1: third time? I think I think so. Yeah. Talk a
Speaker 1: little rock music, talk a little football, But today we
Speaker 1: want to talk about a little thing that happened over
Speaker 1: the weekend. Because you're in the big room with the
Speaker 1: with the with the big boys. It's like Jones family
Speaker 1: will lay Chris Hall, Yeah, not the Battle of winter Fell.
Speaker 1: Did you watch it? Of course, Nate did you? Did
Speaker 1: you side at last night Game of Thrones? Don't spoil it?
Speaker 1: I got a lot. Okay, Hey, by the way, Nate
Speaker 1: doesn't watch the show, but he knows everything that goes
Speaker 1: on the show. Yeah. So, so Chris, tell everybody if
Speaker 1: they haven't listened to us while you're on the show before,
Speaker 1: tell us what you do on on actual draft day,
Speaker 1: and then tell us what do that leads up to
Speaker 1: draft you. So I'm the assistant director of college Scouting,
Speaker 1: and my main role is really just trying to keep
Speaker 1: everything organized our college scouting as we get through through
Speaker 1: through the whole process of the draft, which which for
Speaker 1: us will start in a couple of weeks within a
Speaker 1: new meeting at the end of May to get next
Speaker 1: year's prospects. But I kind of manage all that information,
Speaker 1: manage our scouting staff, do a little bit of scouting myself,
Speaker 1: and then as we get into the spring, coordinate the
Speaker 1: pro days, the combine the All star games, make sure
Speaker 1: we're getting our coverage right at all that, and then
Speaker 1: just kind of help run and organize our meetings as
Speaker 1: we build our draft board and put everything together in there.
Speaker 1: I just I mean, we've got the greatest director in
Speaker 1: the world and Will that does an amazing job of
Speaker 1: facilitating everything. We've got a fantastic scouting staff that does
Speaker 1: an unbelievable job and puts in untold hours on the road,
Speaker 1: at home, in front of in front of TV screens,
Speaker 1: watching tape, watching practice that helps build this whole process.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of unsung heroes in that room
Speaker 1: that that put together a great package of information that
Speaker 1: allows our ownership to make great decisions when we get
Speaker 1: to the weekend like we did this weekend. When when
Speaker 1: was your draft board set? When is that? Were you
Speaker 1: ready to go? We're ready to go. I mean, the
Speaker 1: draft board is kind of a work in process progress
Speaker 1: for us as we build it. We probably do it
Speaker 1: differently than other teams. I don't know how other teams
Speaker 1: do it. I've only been one place my whole career.
Speaker 1: I've been super fortunate. But we kind of work through
Speaker 1: our board and get it right at the end. Really,
Speaker 1: we actually set the final board just a couple of
Speaker 1: days before the actual draft, but we know where players fit,
Speaker 1: we know their value. We build that all the way
Speaker 1: up through the fall through the spring as we get
Speaker 1: to it, but we make a lot of final decisions
Speaker 1: really in the last couple of weeks as we get
Speaker 1: up to the draft. We bring our whole scouting staff in.
Speaker 1: Our coaching staff is very involved in it. It's it's
Speaker 1: truly an operation where we work together and we try
Speaker 1: and find the right guys that we feel are going
Speaker 1: to be fits for the Cowboys and that can come
Speaker 1: in here and compete and not just compete to make jobs,
Speaker 1: but to make other guys better too. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: we believe competition is the best way to improve this
Speaker 1: football team. We think we got a great group of
Speaker 1: guys to come help do that right now. Number one,
Speaker 1: can we ask how many players y'all haveing on y'all
Speaker 1: board on an average per year? You know what it's
Speaker 1: it's changed a little bit over the years. When Parcels
Speaker 1: was around, we had a really skinny draft board and
Speaker 1: we've we've added a few more players to it each year.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to get into the exact numbers
Speaker 1: of it and everything, but we've added more guys in there.
Speaker 1: And you know, we've talked about that a little bit too.
Speaker 1: But as Will likes to say, Hey, if they've earned
Speaker 1: a spot on the board, we're not going to limit
Speaker 1: it too. We can only have one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: three guys on the boarder, we can only have two
Speaker 1: hundred and ten guys on the board. If a guy
Speaker 1: has earned a spot on the draft board, we're gonna
Speaker 1: put him up there and consider him to you know,
Speaker 1: at some point when the value is right to be
Speaker 1: a selection for the boys. Okay, walk us through the
Speaker 1: process of Tristan Hill, because you told us before he's
Speaker 1: a junior, right, so you don't get a quick glimpse
Speaker 1: at him as though you were as he was a
Speaker 1: senior exactly. So, yes, so we have you know, there
Speaker 1: were a ton of juniors that came out again this year.
Speaker 1: I can't remember if it was the highest number last year.
Speaker 1: It was a big number as well, And it's a
Speaker 1: big trend in college football that you know. That's a
Speaker 1: whole other discussion on how that works. You can ask
Speaker 1: Nick Saban how that went over when he had his
Speaker 1: comments about that. But so with Tristan's case, you know,
Speaker 1: we kind of knew who he was throughout the fall.
Speaker 1: You're keeping an eye on that. You know, he's a
Speaker 1: good football player at a team that you have several
Speaker 1: scouts into. But then when he declares, that's when you
Speaker 1: really dive back in and you're you're finding out more
Speaker 1: about him in the character and who he is, and
Speaker 1: you can see how he plays. Anybody can cut the
Speaker 1: tape on and have an opinion on whether a guy's
Speaker 1: a good football player, what he does well, what he
Speaker 1: struggles with, but you got to get to know the
Speaker 1: person too. And you know, we're allowed to have thirty
Speaker 1: visitors throughout the spring, and Tristan was one of those guys,
Speaker 1: and we worked him out. We spent a lot of
Speaker 1: time with him, just like we did with a lot
Speaker 1: of other players, and you know, he checked off the
Speaker 1: boxes that we needed him too, and we're really excited
Speaker 1: to have him in here. As as as the first
Speaker 1: guy we took over the weekend as a sophomore freshman,
Speaker 1: a sophomore Wadow he played. He started thirteen games, then
Speaker 1: he kind of they changed the system and then they
Speaker 1: say he kind of ran into some difficulties. I know,
Speaker 1: you men can't get into the difficulties. But he didn't
Speaker 1: start as many, is right, and you know he started
Speaker 1: his first two years and then they had a coaching
Speaker 1: change down there, and anytime there's a coaching change, you know,
Speaker 1: young college kids they can get you know a little bit, Hey,
Speaker 1: it's different. You know, something news coming in, there's a
Speaker 1: new set of rules, there's a new sheriff in town.
Speaker 1: And you know he tested the patience of the new
Speaker 1: sheriff here and there and they you know, part of
Speaker 1: what happened to him was that they didn't start him
Speaker 1: this year right right right if you watched the tape,
Speaker 1: he was playing when they needed you know, you might
Speaker 1: not start for certain reasons, but when it's time to
Speaker 1: make sure somebody's playing, he was on the field floor.
Speaker 1: Your research, you really had to deal with two different
Speaker 1: coaching staff there didn't because you talked a lot to
Speaker 1: them very much. So you know, you had the Josh
Speaker 1: Hypel group this year that you kind of got a
Speaker 1: little bit of one story and you had the Scott
Speaker 1: Scott Frost group that you got a different story recruited him,
Speaker 1: and you know, that's part of what our guys do
Speaker 1: when they're out on the road, is they're building relationships
Speaker 1: with coaching staffs and who they can trust with information.
Speaker 1: They have to protect that information that guys share with
Speaker 1: them too. So it's about building relationships and getting to
Speaker 1: know coaches on staffs all over the country that you
Speaker 1: trust the information that they're given to you about a player,
Speaker 1: and then taking care of that information as you get
Speaker 1: it too. So it's a two way street. And you
Speaker 1: know the biggest thing that, like I said, anybody can
Speaker 1: put on the tape and be a scout and offer
Speaker 1: their opinion, but it's I think we get beat up
Speaker 1: a little bit sometime because we didn't take a player
Speaker 1: people like or they like somebody better. But there's a
Speaker 1: lot of other reasons why we might not have taken
Speaker 1: a player, be it medical, be it off the field things,
Speaker 1: be it scheme, fit, all different kinds of things. And
Speaker 1: sometimes the highlight packages look great when you're watching ESPN
Speaker 1: and Fox and all that stuff, But there's there's more
Speaker 1: to the story than just what you're seeing on that.
Speaker 1: When we coach Marinelli over the years have just went
Speaker 1: past guys that like Vita Vale last year, I mean,
Speaker 1: he made him fall to us, whatever the reason, man,
Speaker 1: But you see guys that have had these abilities, what
Speaker 1: really because we saw him like talk up for this kid,
Speaker 1: Don't you know what I'm saying? What is it about
Speaker 1: this Tristani Hill kid before we go to conom government. Yeah, well, Tristan,
Speaker 1: Tristan has all the tools and the traits, traits the
Speaker 1: big buzzword now that you're are in scouting um to
Speaker 1: play the undertackle in our scheme and you know are
Speaker 1: the way Rod coaches in the way our defense is built.
Speaker 1: It's based on penetration and getting upfield and being disruptive.
Speaker 1: And when you can find a bigger man that can
Speaker 1: do that, that that can play with the quickness of
Speaker 1: a smaller man. Man, you're you're hitting, You're hitting the
Speaker 1: jackpot there. If you've got a big guy that can
Speaker 1: get in there and be disruptive, that's what you want. Man.
Speaker 1: You get bigger, helps you against the run, but you
Speaker 1: don't lose any of that quickness to get in there
Speaker 1: and help other guys make play. That's what we see
Speaker 1: in Tristan. I did have a question about that. I
Speaker 1: had one too, and you cut me off on the
Speaker 1: you know, they had the war room cam up and
Speaker 1: it looked like there was a lot of discussion going
Speaker 1: down right to the wire on that Firt would be here.
Speaker 1: I don't know how much you can tell us, but
Speaker 1: was there a lot of debate going on about Hi
Speaker 1: was the right pick? I know safety was kind of
Speaker 1: in play, and um, not really, no, it was. You
Speaker 1: know it, there's a lot of we always are talking
Speaker 1: everything out right down to when they tell me to
Speaker 1: tell Robert Black turn the card in. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's more just the more times you positively answer the
Speaker 1: same question and the room feels the same way about it,
Speaker 1: you as a whole group feel great about the pick,
Speaker 1: and there's validation from the scouting staff, there's validation from
Speaker 1: the coaching staff. There's the ownership wants to understand that, hey,
Speaker 1: we're all in on this guy. Everybody's got a good
Speaker 1: vibe about him. And when you've got that, you feel
Speaker 1: great about it, and you know, hopefully two years, three
Speaker 1: years from now, we've made a great pick and we're
Speaker 1: winning championships and he's a part of it. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's kind of my question too, was to be a
Speaker 1: fly on the wall when those conversations, because we watch
Speaker 1: the war room cam. Sure, you know, we're watching we
Speaker 1: have the NFL network up, we're watching the draft. We
Speaker 1: watch the war room cam on Dallas Cowboys dot com
Speaker 1: and we see if it's offensive coaches that come in
Speaker 1: or defensive coaches. So then we're like, okay, so we
Speaker 1: know that there's probably about ten guys that could fall
Speaker 1: in the spot. So yep, here's what talk us through.
Speaker 1: What those conversations And you don't, I know, you can't
Speaker 1: pull the curtain fletely back, but like when when Mayor
Speaker 1: and Nelly and you know, Richard come in there are
Speaker 1: what are they what are they coming in there? What
Speaker 1: are they saying? And what are those conversations? Like a
Speaker 1: lot of that comes down to, Okay, let's go over
Speaker 1: this one more time. How does he fit? Who's who's
Speaker 1: he going to compete with? Um? How does he make
Speaker 1: us better? Is he the right? Right kind of guy?
Speaker 1: Is just it's it's checking your pulse. It's making sure
Speaker 1: everybody is completely on board with the player, whether it's
Speaker 1: Tristan Hill or whether it's Mike Weber in the seventh round.
Speaker 1: You know, that's you want to make sure that everybody's
Speaker 1: on board with the player. And you know there's always
Speaker 1: going to be a scout that likes a player better
Speaker 1: than the one guy we took, or a coach that
Speaker 1: would have rather had another guy, but he went off
Speaker 1: the board and things like that, But you just want
Speaker 1: to validate that you're you're taking a guy that can
Speaker 1: come in and compete to earn a job, and you
Speaker 1: have so few resources in draft picks, and you don't
Speaker 1: ever want to waste one on a guy that maybe
Speaker 1: not everybody's on board with, or yeah, he might be
Speaker 1: the best looking player at the moment, but he might
Speaker 1: have a hard time making our team or competing with
Speaker 1: what we've already got. So a lot of it is just, hey,
Speaker 1: let's go over one more time. How does this guy
Speaker 1: fit into what we've got right now? And who is
Speaker 1: he going to compete with? And Kenny went a job.
Speaker 1: That's a good point, not only talking about the player
Speaker 1: and what they have, but also coming in who's around
Speaker 1: him and who's he trying to beat out for a job.
Speaker 1: And you know, if there's no if you know, this
Speaker 1: guy's locked in for the next three years and he's
Speaker 1: not going anywhere, this guy can't compete with that guy.
Speaker 1: And you just brought up another great point that I
Speaker 1: didn't mention. You got to look at the contracts of
Speaker 1: the players that you have on your roster right now too.
Speaker 1: If we all of a sudden no, that we're going
Speaker 1: to be losing three or four players at a certain
Speaker 1: position within the next two years. Maybe that's a pretty
Speaker 1: good spot to start adding some death too, because you
Speaker 1: can't keep them all. And we've got some really good
Speaker 1: football players that are going to continue to cost us
Speaker 1: more and more money each year, and we're gonna have
Speaker 1: some hard choices to make in the next couple of
Speaker 1: years on where to allocate our salary cap dollars, so
Speaker 1: which kind of may lead us into our second pick.
Speaker 1: Come on, you get you've done. You've done this radio thing,
Speaker 1: so just keep talking about Connor. You already a little bit.
Speaker 1: But like I said, that was kind of looking towards well,
Speaker 1: and honestly it probably surprised us a little bit too.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he wasn't a quote unquote targeted
Speaker 1: player of ours, but he was high up on our
Speaker 1: draft board. He's a he's a really really good, versatile
Speaker 1: football player that already plays the way we want our
Speaker 1: guys to play. I mean, he's cut out of the
Speaker 1: Colombo cloth look at, which is fantastic. He's a big man,
Speaker 1: six man that's a load, and you know, he gives
Speaker 1: us some versatility along our line. And you know, as
Speaker 1: I was saying, you can't keep everybody out. I mean,
Speaker 1: I hope we can find a way to keep Elsie
Speaker 1: and here next year after he plays one more year
Speaker 1: at his contract. But don't know how that's gonna work
Speaker 1: out with our stuff. But he was too good of
Speaker 1: a player to not take at that point the way
Speaker 1: our board said. You know, we've done a great job
Speaker 1: of kind of following that draft board. And when I
Speaker 1: think we made the common a couple of times, when
Speaker 1: the guy's up there and it's a blinking light and
Speaker 1: he's kind of by himself and he's a round or
Speaker 1: two ahead of where where the discussion is at the time,
Speaker 1: go ahead and take that. They usually turn out pretty good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, as Confucius said, you're drafting to your strength.
Speaker 1: Because you're drafting to your strength, y'all even catch that,
Speaker 1: y'all to catch that is mister Jones. Yeah what he's
Speaker 1: saying that I almost died, And everybody's like, wait, what, Well,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna tell you when when when you went
Speaker 1: kind and like you said, you see the highlights, and
Speaker 1: when they were showing his highlights, you know what impressed
Speaker 1: me was he's built the role. You know. I know
Speaker 1: he's gonna smash up against Temple and anybody like that, sure,
Speaker 1: but he's built the role of what we like when
Speaker 1: I feel exactly, And so I knew he's got the
Speaker 1: heart and determination if because if Colombo has anything to
Speaker 1: do with it, I knew it's gonna be right. Oh,
Speaker 1: let me tell you, he was the happiest guy in
Speaker 1: the room. I mean, he wasn't expecting to get a
Speaker 1: second round draft picked. His basket of wealth he's got
Speaker 1: over there or and you know, you couldn't wipe the
Speaker 1: grin off his face when we added another high pick.
Speaker 1: And I mean, the guy's gonna he's gonna play, and
Speaker 1: he's gonna play well for us. You know, at some
Speaker 1: point in the future. Might not be this year right
Speaker 1: out of the bat, because we've got damn good one
Speaker 1: right now. But we're gonna let him compete, right sure,
Speaker 1: because to me, a natural guard in center, he's a
Speaker 1: natural guard. So you got that left guard with a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of young talent, and plus Looney
Speaker 1: gets a shot at it too, so that thing is
Speaker 1: wide open. Oh that's one of the things I said
Speaker 1: when we came in here, this, this, this group is
Speaker 1: going to compete with what we've got and the cream's
Speaker 1: gonna rise to the top and we're gonna be a
Speaker 1: better team for it. Yeah, it seemed like this year,
Speaker 1: more than in recent history, that you guys were set
Speaker 1: up to where you had some some needs but nothing
Speaker 1: really glaring where you had to go get somebody and
Speaker 1: it and it's, hey, if a guy's there and like
Speaker 1: like this pick. That's what we got right here with
Speaker 1: with with Connor. I mean, we weren't dialed in on
Speaker 1: taking a guard center type guy. But when the guy's
Speaker 1: sitting there at least caliber B Lincoln Lights said, it's
Speaker 1: it's hard to pass that up. And but with the
Speaker 1: moves that we've made in the off season, with our
Speaker 1: with our pro free agency, you know, it's we've shored
Speaker 1: up some things with some good depth players who are
Speaker 1: going to compete as well, and that gives you the
Speaker 1: opportunity not to have to lock in on, oh my god,
Speaker 1: if we don't get a safety, we can't go play
Speaker 1: football in September, right, which I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people feel that way. But you know a story, Tony Pollard,
Speaker 1: give me, because we've all sat here and we we
Speaker 1: we've all believed that if we get a running back,
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have been mad. This group here, we wouldn't
Speaker 1: be mad because we're not saying rod Smith can't be
Speaker 1: be explosive. But I feel like this that a guy
Speaker 1: at running back, that when Zeke walks off the field
Speaker 1: for those ten to fifteen plays, that backup running back
Speaker 1: should have that ability to at least be explosive two
Speaker 1: or three times out of them fifteen plays. Is any
Speaker 1: one of these guys Tony Pollard one of the guys
Speaker 1: you got lad or Mike Weber, you know, they both
Speaker 1: of them have great traits. There's a word again, traits.
Speaker 1: You know, Tony's Tony's probably a little bit more of
Speaker 1: a space player than Mike is. But Tony, what we
Speaker 1: love about him is just the versatility of him. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you go back and look at his his career
Speaker 1: arc at Memphis, I mean he's got seven kickoff touchdowns,
Speaker 1: you know, returns, you know, and now I know kickoff
Speaker 1: return isn't as big as in the NFL game, but
Speaker 1: it's still nice to have a guy back there that,
Speaker 1: you know, hey, if there's a kick an opportunity there
Speaker 1: This guy's got a chance to take it to the house.
Speaker 1: He played as a wide receiver, in the slot, he
Speaker 1: played as a running back. Now, Memphis had three really
Speaker 1: good running backs this year with u with to go
Speaker 1: along with Tony in there. And then one of them
Speaker 1: stayed in school and Tony and I'm losing his name.
Speaker 1: The Henderson Daryl Henderson was the other guy. Um. Three
Speaker 1: really good backs, so there's only one football and you know,
Speaker 1: now he does so many different things well. And the
Speaker 1: other thing that really kind of took us over the
Speaker 1: edge for him was he got a chance to play
Speaker 1: in the Senior Bowl. And if you go back and
Speaker 1: watch that Senior Bowl, he ran inside in between the tackles,
Speaker 1: which I hear a lot of people saying, Oh, he
Speaker 1: can't do that, why they take him. We'll go watch
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl and see how he did between the
Speaker 1: tackles when they fed him the ball in a pro
Speaker 1: style environment with it he did pretty good. Good size
Speaker 1: for a running back and yeah, I mean he's he's
Speaker 1: six foot two hundred five ten pounds and he can run.
Speaker 1: Is he going to be in the mix for punt
Speaker 1: returns to or just kiss Um? Maybe eventually he's more
Speaker 1: of an established kickoff guy then he was a punk guy. Um,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure he'll get the opportunity to work at that,
Speaker 1: I would imagine. And you know, you go back to
Speaker 1: Mike Webber, he's a guy that another Ohio state back
Speaker 1: that you know, those guys have played, they have a
Speaker 1: track record, they run the football there. Mike's a really
Speaker 1: good running back as well. And again it's it's great competition. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, it saved us from having to go out
Speaker 1: there and maybe find a veteran guy to to plug
Speaker 1: into the mix there like we've done without you know,
Speaker 1: Morris in the past or or other guys like that.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't have to go get um, who's
Speaker 1: the guy we had a couple of years ago too,
Speaker 1: Rain dead right now? Yeah. Yeah, the drafts when you've
Speaker 1: been working was kind of I was not like it
Speaker 1: was kind of a surprise though. He took two running backs.
Speaker 1: I think people were, you know, obviously Paulard was a
Speaker 1: fourth round the expect big thing. But to come back
Speaker 1: with Webber later, I think maybe that again, that's just
Speaker 1: best player on the board. Honestly, again, it was little
Speaker 1: bit of that blinking light theory up there. When you're
Speaker 1: looking up there and well, who's the best player up here?
Speaker 1: And you know, honestly, there's there's a very good chance
Speaker 1: that both of those guys can make our team. I mean,
Speaker 1: really are We've got young guys with with Darius and
Speaker 1: Um and Jordan Chun back there, but you know, neither
Speaker 1: one of them have established themselves yet. And we've got
Speaker 1: Jama's at fullback. We also think we can give the
Speaker 1: ball too, and I think you may see him a
Speaker 1: little bit more involved in things this year. Um. So
Speaker 1: there's really two spots to be competed for there. And
Speaker 1: you know, we we thought very highly of the two
Speaker 1: guys that we took, and you know, if we're right,
Speaker 1: then and again our team gets better. Is there a
Speaker 1: guy on this list? Aaron McFadden, thank you, that's it.
Speaker 1: Is there a guy on this list that you think
Speaker 1: could be a a I guess a sleeper kind of
Speaker 1: you know, has a really you know, kind of under
Speaker 1: the radar guy that people probably don't know a lot about,
Speaker 1: that has a shot at really competing and getting some
Speaker 1: play into our draft picks. Yeah. Chris Hall's pet cat, Yeah,
Speaker 1: pet Cat, pet Cat. Yeah. I'm a big fan of
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson, you know all the safety. Donald had an
Speaker 1: interesting career arc at A and M, and he missed
Speaker 1: his original senior year and he came back this year.
Speaker 1: He's a big hitter. Uh. He packs a big punch
Speaker 1: for a guy who's not a real real big big
Speaker 1: frame guy, but man, he can he can knock you out.
Speaker 1: And I think he's got some coverage skills too that
Speaker 1: that he can bring to the table and at that spot,
Speaker 1: I think there's a chance that he can compete and
Speaker 1: get out there. He's going to be a great special
Speaker 1: teams player. And obviously that's the way those younger guys,
Speaker 1: the later picks have to get to the roster and
Speaker 1: show they're worth with that before they can really find
Speaker 1: some playing time. But he's the guy I'm interested to
Speaker 1: watch and develop personally out of the group. I love
Speaker 1: all the guys. I mean that. I mean everybody's gonna
Speaker 1: say that after your draft, right, I really do. Each
Speaker 1: one of these guys that we took, they have a role,
Speaker 1: they have a fit there. We got a great group
Speaker 1: of humans in the in this group of guys, they're
Speaker 1: they're really good guys. Coach Marinelli likes to say get
Speaker 1: a check what's under the hood, and we like what's
Speaker 1: under the hood on all these guys. Yeah, so we're
Speaker 1: excited about this group, and we're really excited about the
Speaker 1: about the free agents that we signed afterwards too. We
Speaker 1: plucked a handful of guys off that we had draft right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got Larry Ellen Jr. Yeah, that's right. Your job
Speaker 1: is not done at all. You're you're very busy right
Speaker 1: now trying to bring these guys in rent. Yeah. We well,
Speaker 1: we we we got all our guys signed up right
Speaker 1: after the draft. You you go hard because it's full
Speaker 1: competition with thirty one other teams that first call first. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of deals being made um to
Speaker 1: get to get those guys in there. And we get
Speaker 1: them all agreed to that night, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: you look up and we added probably another six or
Speaker 1: seven guys that we had draft bull grades on, So
Speaker 1: you know, we're excited to see those guys come in
Speaker 1: and compete. You know, we got two receivers in Jalen
Speaker 1: Guiden from North Texas and John Vay Johnson from Toledo
Speaker 1: that can there or three guys they can really fly.
Speaker 1: So you know that gives us a whole other dimension
Speaker 1: when you roll out there in preseason games and you're
Speaker 1: competing in camp and everything. So we're excited about those
Speaker 1: two guys as well. You said the word good humans,
Speaker 1: and I've heard that this locker room that this team
Speaker 1: has now is one of, if not the best locker
Speaker 1: room as far as like character guys and good people
Speaker 1: and just really a solid group of human beings. Has
Speaker 1: there been, I guess a focused effort on not only
Speaker 1: getting good football players, but when you guys draft, really
Speaker 1: making sure they're good people, have the right attitude and
Speaker 1: right character. I wouldn't say it's a focused effort, but
Speaker 1: it's it's something that we look for definitely. And part
Speaker 1: of that reason is when you come here the way
Speaker 1: we compete in practice, you've got to be made of
Speaker 1: the right stuff to go out there and do what
Speaker 1: we do. We are a hard, hard playing team, and
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you see that when we get
Speaker 1: guys that come in off the waiver wires or or
Speaker 1: come from other places. And one of the first things
Speaker 1: I always say is do we do this every day?
Speaker 1: I mean the way they go after it, and that's
Speaker 1: that's a great tribute to our coaching staff, from coach
Speaker 1: Garrett to coach Marinelli on down that they demand these
Speaker 1: guys come in and practice hard every day and are
Speaker 1: focused and work at it. And I think you've seen
Speaker 1: that paid dividends for us and it'll continue. You know
Speaker 1: when when you have that kind of mentality and work rate,
Speaker 1: you get better work done. That's what it does is
Speaker 1: it cuts down on mistakes. Guys that can focus and
Speaker 1: practice hard and practice right, it cuts down on mistakes
Speaker 1: and when and where it really helps you is you
Speaker 1: may not be a better player, but in tighter situations,
Speaker 1: on harder times, you're not gonna make that mental physical mistake.
Speaker 1: You can rely on you. Yeah, yeah, I understand it
Speaker 1: because Jimmy believed in that practice hard, practice smart. Understand
Speaker 1: what is going on is stay focused, and if you
Speaker 1: do that, you may like Brian Young was a better
Speaker 1: player than me, Dana Stopfield was better, but we beat
Speaker 1: San Francisco and I knew how to handle myself under
Speaker 1: certain situations and that helps, believe me. Great example, you
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Speaker 1: up the first time? You're trying to make me say
Speaker 1: a bad word? No, sir, not very nice. Sounded like
Speaker 1: a jackpot, wait and happen. Question for you, who do
Speaker 1: you think besides the Cowboys, of course, who do you
Speaker 1: think in the NFC East had the best draft? Huh um,
Speaker 1: you know you had. Everybody did good. I mean everybody
Speaker 1: feels like they did good. You know, the Redskins, I
Speaker 1: think they added some weapons to their deal. They got
Speaker 1: a quarterback. They could be really interesting for us to
Speaker 1: deal with. The Giants did the same thing. You know,
Speaker 1: So they both have a rookie quarterback that's going to
Speaker 1: be in play for the next next few years. Gonna say,
Speaker 1: if those work out, all of a sudden, this Divi
Speaker 1: Asian becomes like a long term, long term quarterbacks special
Speaker 1: to have four really young quarterbacks that can play a
Speaker 1: long time and compete against each other for a long
Speaker 1: long time if they all hit so uh, you know,
Speaker 1: anytime you had a guy like that, you got to
Speaker 1: pay attention to it. If they turned out, you know
Speaker 1: they're gonna be there's gonna be some tough competition for
Speaker 1: a long time for us. You know. The Redskins, uh
Speaker 1: did nice with market sweat was it sweat man defense
Speaker 1: already nice inside? Yeah, you know he was a guy
Speaker 1: that some people had some health concerns on, but boy,
Speaker 1: we loved him and that that dude can get after
Speaker 1: the past. Yeah, you know, you had a potential starting
Speaker 1: quarterback and a guy that can disrupt the quarterback. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes you pay time. I like his name. He
Speaker 1: got a cool name. And they went back. Yeah they
Speaker 1: went back later. They're Washington, go back later and get
Speaker 1: a guy from Ohio State or wide receiver. They went
Speaker 1: back later. Yeah, and got one. I don't have stuff. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he got one of these boys. Man, I assume it's
Speaker 1: hard though, to keep truck during the heat of the moment.
Speaker 1: You don't have a real idea what who's got what
Speaker 1: and who's Yeah, we've got a lot of great tools
Speaker 1: in there to where we can click on a team
Speaker 1: helmet and see who they've picked and everything. But man,
Speaker 1: you're so focused in on what you're doing. You can't
Speaker 1: be worrying about what other teams you're doing now every
Speaker 1: now and then, Every now and then you might drop
Speaker 1: a explicative when one of your guys goes off the
Speaker 1: board that you really liked and was hoping he would
Speaker 1: get to your draft pick. But at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, you got to stay focused on what you're
Speaker 1: doing in there. Who is the guy scout our coach
Speaker 1: that you know they got two or three guys that
Speaker 1: they really how who gives you the most bad words
Speaker 1: when they got back off? You know what it might
Speaker 1: be Will McClay. Yeah, But I mean, you know he's
Speaker 1: so focused and driven in there. I can use that
Speaker 1: word that's gonna be on our t shirts now. But
Speaker 1: it's you know, you spend so much time and energy
Speaker 1: and effort into studying these guys and learning them, and
Speaker 1: you know, you develop favorites, and you develop guys that
Speaker 1: you know would be great fits for us. And you know,
Speaker 1: you only got one pick in each round generally, and
Speaker 1: you can't take all the guys you like. And that's why,
Speaker 1: you know, we spend time trying to put together the
Speaker 1: best guy that'll fit the spot, that we think is
Speaker 1: the right fit and value on each one of these picks.
Speaker 1: And it's a it's a sliding scale, and it changes
Speaker 1: as you go through the draft. You know, what was
Speaker 1: it like then day one, when you knew you weren't
Speaker 1: going to be doing anything. I mean, we just that
Speaker 1: was rough. I mean you're in there, you're in there
Speaker 1: watching everybody else get better. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: we said, you know what, we already won about seven
Speaker 1: or eight games with our number one draft this year,
Speaker 1: So it didn't it didn't sting as bad when you
Speaker 1: stop and think that we got our draft pick ahead
Speaker 1: of time, and he helped us become a better football
Speaker 1: team in Amari Cooper. And you know, we really looked
Speaker 1: up at that board all the way back to the
Speaker 1: fall when that whole thing took place, and we made
Speaker 1: a decision back then that there wasn't going to be
Speaker 1: a receiver in this draft that had anywhere near his
Speaker 1: talent and ability and his capabilities. So that ultimately is
Speaker 1: is one of the main reasons why we chose to
Speaker 1: make that make that trade. And you know, I just
Speaker 1: imagine pretty good team. It was just a punch we needed.
Speaker 1: Gave us an unbelievable shot in the arm at the time,
Speaker 1: and it it helped Dac, It helped, it helped our entire
Speaker 1: team on both sides of the ball, and brought a
Speaker 1: great energy to it. And uh, you know, we got
Speaker 1: what eight ten plus games out of our first round
Speaker 1: pick this year already. It's obviously great moving all that,
Speaker 1: but I would still just think from your point of view,
Speaker 1: you've been working hard all year. The first day, you're
Speaker 1: just sitting there wait, waiting on waiting on the catfish
Speaker 1: to be and then you know you're sitting there picking
Speaker 1: fifty eight and you're thinking, man, we're gonna lose about
Speaker 1: forty of our first forty players on our board before
Speaker 1: we even get a crack at one of these guys.
Speaker 1: Sometimes time, so it's hard on that that regard but
Speaker 1: when you when you stop and think why we don't
Speaker 1: have a pick, it made it go down a lot easier.
Speaker 1: You know what's amazing is this is one thing I
Speaker 1: hope i'd never do again. But this draft has taught
Speaker 1: me a lot. It's a lot of guys win in
Speaker 1: the first and second round where guys were like, oh,
Speaker 1: you could have waited on that. But I don't notice
Speaker 1: people people are starting no, look at the whole draft.
Speaker 1: I'm quite sure he can go down and say this
Speaker 1: guy didn't rate as higher as you know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying this. I mean, you know we took Tony Pollard
Speaker 1: too soon? Why did we take you know, it's you
Speaker 1: can question every one of these things with every single team,
Speaker 1: but there's not a team in the league that didn't
Speaker 1: walk out of their Sunday night going, man, I love
Speaker 1: how we made our team better. Yeah, you know, we
Speaker 1: did great. Everybody thinks they got an A. But you know,
Speaker 1: there's all your grades and somebody got to see and
Speaker 1: there's a few d's out there. Everybody feels like they
Speaker 1: did a good job with their guys. We all feel like, hey,
Speaker 1: this was great value in in this round where we
Speaker 1: took this player and then people get on the radio
Speaker 1: and on TV. Oh, they took him too earlier. They
Speaker 1: could have waited. Do you know we could have waited,
Speaker 1: or maybe we had intel that said we knew that
Speaker 1: somebody else like that guy too, and we had to
Speaker 1: get up ahead of that team to make sure that
Speaker 1: we got them. Yeah, I guess you just don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that's why you guys to a degree traded
Speaker 1: down then in the fourth fifth round, because you you
Speaker 1: had a block of players there you knew were going
Speaker 1: to be there. When you're exactly well, you don't know,
Speaker 1: but you feel good when you've got in that situation,
Speaker 1: when you've got maybe five or six guys that you
Speaker 1: like and you're not just in love with one of them,
Speaker 1: then it's okay to take that slide back a little bit.
Speaker 1: And that enabled us to pick up two more picks
Speaker 1: and get and get two more guys that we didn't
Speaker 1: have to maybe compete for in free agency with other teams. Now,
Speaker 1: did we lose a guy. We might have lost a
Speaker 1: guy or two on the way, but we also had
Speaker 1: enough players in that vein. It's when you get when
Speaker 1: you dial then on one guy and somebody calls and
Speaker 1: offers you a seventh round pick to slide down a
Speaker 1: little bit. I mean, you don't. You don't want to
Speaker 1: lose that guy. So those are the deals you say
Speaker 1: no to um to make sure you get the guy
Speaker 1: that you want. It's just it's just amazing, Chris, that
Speaker 1: you know. I do a little radio show for one
Speaker 1: of the locals, and all I heard was if they
Speaker 1: liked it, they got great pick. If they didn't like,
Speaker 1: they go, oh, he could have slid back to the third.
Speaker 1: And I'm saying, in my mind, you think that teams
Speaker 1: spend millions and millions of dollars, got scouts of different levels,
Speaker 1: pro scout, college, pro person and they don't know who
Speaker 1: they want for their team, regardless of way you may
Speaker 1: have them placed. That that don't make no sense. It's
Speaker 1: just don't And don't get me wrong. You do wonder
Speaker 1: about some gms or managers over the years because you've
Speaker 1: seen them make bad plays, But we don't know. This
Speaker 1: is a new set of gms that came into place
Speaker 1: about two three new sets. You know, like they killing
Speaker 1: mister Kettleman in New York. That's just that's that displayed.
Speaker 1: You know, did you notice the super Bowl team he
Speaker 1: built in Carolina. Yeah, he might, he might have an
Speaker 1: idea what he's doing. I mean, I've known Dave for
Speaker 1: a long long time and he's a great man, and
Speaker 1: you know, I know their direct competition, but he's up
Speaker 1: there getting roasted for all these things that he done.
Speaker 1: I mean, we could be getting roast. I mean, good lord,
Speaker 1: Jerry's been roasted so many times over the years that
Speaker 1: it's crazy. So it goes on in every in every
Speaker 1: city because you know, some fans or radio personalities, they
Speaker 1: get locked in on what a team should do, and
Speaker 1: you know they're not in the room where it happens,
Speaker 1: and they sued one player. It's you know, how much
Speaker 1: how much I just I don't want to bag on
Speaker 1: that industry at all, but how much work have I
Speaker 1: promise you scouting staff in the league, whether it's the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys or any other team, has done more work
Speaker 1: building their draft board than Anyboddy who's putting together their
Speaker 1: top hundred list or looking at the top ten guys
Speaker 1: at each position. And I'm not taking anything away from
Speaker 1: what they do. I mean, some of those guys work
Speaker 1: hard at it and do a great job of it.
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of snake orders don't have all
Speaker 1: the information that we have. Yeah, when it comes to
Speaker 1: evaluating a draft, you know, we typically say, well, let's
Speaker 1: give it two or three years and then look back
Speaker 1: at it. What's what's kind of y'all standard when you say,
Speaker 1: was that a successful draft or not? Is there a
Speaker 1: time frame or how do you guys evaluate drafts? You know,
Speaker 1: going all the way back to coach Landry, it was,
Speaker 1: you know, year three, you're gonna know about a player
Speaker 1: for sure, Um, he might come into the league as
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle and you know end up being a
Speaker 1: hell of an offensive lineman. Mark tuone was that way? Now?
Speaker 1: Was that way? Real? Hey? Look, hey, but this is
Speaker 1: this is so funny because draft grades NFL dot com
Speaker 1: A But you go all the way over here to
Speaker 1: the datas in the news be mine to see everybody.
Speaker 1: It's like, really, and I'm not going to talk bad
Speaker 1: about Davia's Morning News, but come on, I know your history.
Speaker 1: It's Baskin Robbins. Everybody likes a different flavor. I mean, wow,
Speaker 1: sometimes the mill is pretty good and sometimes you want,
Speaker 1: you know, let's see, let's see what's the road. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but let's see what I got. I think
Speaker 1: Douglas Well, I think that's the voice. I think that
Speaker 1: ourselves used to say that the best of them got
Speaker 1: fifty fifty and got fifty fifty right. And I think
Speaker 1: that the most one of the most criticized picks in
Speaker 1: recent years, as far as you could have gotten him later,
Speaker 1: was Travis Frederick And I think that turned out fine.
Speaker 1: And just because so many picks for everybody don't pan out.
Speaker 1: Anybody that sniffs of being a reach, the odds are
Speaker 1: against you already in perception. Yeah, I was one of
Speaker 1: those guys, Travis Frederick man, and I had to eat
Speaker 1: that up quick. Yeah, yeah, I'm serious. I had to
Speaker 1: eat that up quick now for real and see that.
Speaker 1: This is what in my industry, you're ready. That is
Speaker 1: what I hate the most is guys can't even say, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I was wrong. You know, they still got to be
Speaker 1: a reason why Chris Hall should have went out and
Speaker 1: got this guy from Jamaica. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know they got a team over there, Jamaica, a
Speaker 1: six eight guy. Yeah, and at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you're you're not going to be right on all these
Speaker 1: guys and we know that, and sometimes that, you know,
Speaker 1: whether usually not the draft picks with some of these
Speaker 1: free agents that we're excited about. They may walk out
Speaker 1: here our first rookie minicamp and go, that guy ain't
Speaker 1: gonna make it, yeah, you know, or holy cow, human law,
Speaker 1: this guy's got a chance to be on be playing
Speaker 1: this fall human law. You don't know, human law? Human
Speaker 1: there you go. Finally, Yeah, to ask for it four
Speaker 1: times one would not. No, he got it. I was
Speaker 1: just trying to hope we get it, you know. But
Speaker 1: I guess they call them by their names and instead
Speaker 1: of their nicknames. But let me ask you this, Chris,
Speaker 1: if we had to draft Shannon, what do you think
Speaker 1: his shrints are? I was about looking at it, his handsome,
Speaker 1: good look nailed, nailed the face of the franchise determination. Okay, god,
Speaker 1: what about what about our partner over here? And I
Speaker 1: already did it. He's got the rings to show for it.
Speaker 1: But now this is where we start. Now, so OTA's
Speaker 1: mini camps. So what is y'all part in that? Um? Really,
Speaker 1: it's just kind of a little bit of why tune
Speaker 1: and evaluating at this point. I mean, the coaching staff
Speaker 1: really takes over at this point, you know, full force,
Speaker 1: and they've got they've got to teach these guys. They've
Speaker 1: got to make sure they're knowing what to do. We
Speaker 1: talked about the accountability of the players and the competition
Speaker 1: as we go forth. I mean, these new guys have
Speaker 1: to be they have to learn what our standard is.
Speaker 1: They they'll be held to that standard. And it's going
Speaker 1: to be hard for some of them at first because
Speaker 1: they're coming from different programs where they've never seen anything
Speaker 1: like this. I mean some of them are small school guys,
Speaker 1: some of them are big school guys, some are Power five.
Speaker 1: They've come from all over the place, but right now
Speaker 1: they're they're all cowboys and they've got to learn, you know,
Speaker 1: how we do things here, from everything from how Mike
Speaker 1: Wisick teaches them how to lift weights to you know,
Speaker 1: how Scott centered is going to try and help fuel
Speaker 1: their bodies with nutrition and everything. And then of course,
Speaker 1: the most important thing is learning the playbook and showing
Speaker 1: a coach that he can trust you when you're out
Speaker 1: on the field. And that's what all this first camp
Speaker 1: is is a teaching session more so than anything else.
Speaker 1: And you know you're gonna get your first taste of
Speaker 1: who's who maybe is going to need a little extra
Speaker 1: time to learn things, or what coach is going to
Speaker 1: have to spend some more time with certain guys, or
Speaker 1: you know, as they dive into the playbook, you know
Speaker 1: it's not easy and it's a different book, especially for
Speaker 1: some of these offensive guys that have come from these
Speaker 1: some you know, spread systems in college where you know,
Speaker 1: you get some of these guys that don't don't have
Speaker 1: much of a playbook in college. They're they're looking at
Speaker 1: that superman side, hard Joe, but the side that tell
Speaker 1: them what to do. You know what you know what
Speaker 1: amazes me is and I think, and now I understand
Speaker 1: college is not four pros. When what I mean by
Speaker 1: that is if I'm a college coach, I got to
Speaker 1: coach with us before me and make it better and
Speaker 1: get I gotta win with what I got. But I
Speaker 1: think it's a shame now that what are you talking
Speaker 1: about is all linemen just stand up two points stand
Speaker 1: That takes away from learning leverage. A lot of times
Speaker 1: that take away from getting quick feet. I think running
Speaker 1: backs just standing eight nine yards deep never get the
Speaker 1: really block linebackers and defensive tackles and linement and that.
Speaker 1: So when they get in pros and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: three hundred pounds coming at you and dash your guy
Speaker 1: to help, and they don't even know that keeps you
Speaker 1: off the field wide receivers. All I do about all
Speaker 1: over do was run a nine route. Well, brother, we're
Speaker 1: gonna ask you to run a little you know, we're
Speaker 1: gonna actually run a little bit different. There's there's eight
Speaker 1: numbers before nine. Yeah. Yeah. And so now a guy,
Speaker 1: a guy that does not understand this thinks to be
Speaker 1: like when they get a break to away from the field,
Speaker 1: they don't understand that they should be on the field saying, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: getting one of the backup quarterbacks and hey, man, help
Speaker 1: me learn this route tree yep, help me learn how
Speaker 1: to come out of breaks. Let me work with a coach.
Speaker 1: So I know that, you know, all routes look the same,
Speaker 1: but you know it's it's nine different routes that we're
Speaker 1: gonna run. But all I'm gonna look the same coming
Speaker 1: off of this line. They don't know that. Well, Chris Man,
Speaker 1: it's always a pleasure. Yeah, I enjoy it, man, Tay
Speaker 1: what came around the corner? Man and kind of like
Speaker 1: looked at us spiding left. Now I don't think tall.
Speaker 1: What gonna lead table? What t what the bullet? Oh
Speaker 1: she's hiding over well, Chris, thanks for taking some time out.
Speaker 1: Busy Man was awesome. So we'll have you on at
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Speaker 1: the boys, back the Star and Frisco and we swapped out.
Speaker 1: That was good. That's probably one of the best best
Speaker 1: guests we've had all well, you know, I think I
Speaker 1: think I think the reason he let's introduced her first.
Speaker 1: It's great, Tay great, it's great. Used to fill though
Speaker 1: with Chris Hall. Chris Hall is very knowledgeable. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what made Chris the best so far. What's that?
Speaker 1: It's because he understands what we do. I think he
Speaker 1: knows how you segue and moved around. I think he
Speaker 1: knew and then uh, we've Pepper with basically say questions
Speaker 1: every years. His answers different way. Chris is a hell
Speaker 1: of a golfer too, is him and I hit the
Speaker 1: course last year after I started learning, and he's very patient.
Speaker 1: I think that's one because he also has daughters, so
Speaker 1: he understands that. But yeah, we played golf together. It
Speaker 1: was right before training camp and we've been training to
Speaker 1: knock down another day. But draft, he's been a little busy.
Speaker 1: He's been a little busy getting some new players in here.
Speaker 1: When he went blank on names that guys that played here,
Speaker 1: and he kind of went blank. I said, yeah, he
Speaker 1: getting tired. Yeah, even though even though he's rested. You know,
Speaker 1: even though they rested a little bit after the draft,
Speaker 1: it went to sleep, got some long rest. It still
Speaker 1: man because they Wow, I wouldn't want to be in
Speaker 1: their shoes too much time. What you got for us today,
Speaker 1: Tay Well? I was gonna ask Nate because you know,
Speaker 1: we were lucky enough to be together during the draft.
Speaker 1: But Nate, we weren't with you. Were you happy with
Speaker 1: the Tristan Lpeck? It seemed like right? What you yeah?
Speaker 1: You know? And I kicked myself from miss tab because
Speaker 1: for a month I want to fire Hydrant. I just
Speaker 1: need not give me the fattest man in the world
Speaker 1: home have it and the last two weeks bound out.
Speaker 1: But when they came back to and I was happy
Speaker 1: over one place where I was doing the draft at
Speaker 1: got the guy who I was working with at that time,
Speaker 1: he was so set on safeties. You know, I think
Speaker 1: a lot of fans were too. You know what that
Speaker 1: a that all teach us a valuable lesson because the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and past years could not keep a secret that
Speaker 1: I only kept a secret, but they had everybody going
Speaker 1: down the wrong road. Yeah too, they don't value that
Speaker 1: position as much. Yeah. Wow, you know truth bombs upstairs?
Speaker 1: What's that brother? Because you said you did a one
Speaker 1: eighty on us, and you said, first pick, go get
Speaker 1: a fat defensive linement and the rest offense. Right, and
Speaker 1: they went fat defensive line sixty three three oh a
Speaker 1: offensive line running back. And I said, Lord Jesus, please
Speaker 1: don't draft Nate. Will never let us live it down
Speaker 1: because I switch. But I'm gonna tell you something. Somebody
Speaker 1: who I liked, and I should have asked Chris, when
Speaker 1: you saw talking about the Savage kid, I kind of
Speaker 1: went reading up on him with the Green Bay right, yeah,
Speaker 1: like first round. Yeah, I kind of went reading up
Speaker 1: on him, and I'm like, I like this kid, and
Speaker 1: uh so he was one of my wishless guys because
Speaker 1: normally when you go even though there you may have
Speaker 1: this guy sliding for a second round pick, normal would
Speaker 1: everybody go to just talking about the kid and then
Speaker 1: everybody forgot about the next name. Boom he was gone.
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, I know I told Shannon that
Speaker 1: no more Savage jerseys. No, you tell you man. We
Speaker 1: got Hill jerseys. We got we got the whole Jackson family,
Speaker 1: Michael and Joe. I don't know if this is a
Speaker 1: good year to to draft Michael Jackson. We're just good.
Speaker 1: He likes to go by Mike, so we'll call it.
Speaker 1: I do have an interesting little tidbit that Scott of
Speaker 1: Goldnett gave us. This is the third year that for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys Draft they've drafted at least two players from
Speaker 1: the same school. So a couple of years ago it
Speaker 1: was Michigan with Jordan Lewis and Taco and actually also
Speaker 1: Cheeto and Jordan Carroll. Jordan Carroll isn't here anymore. And
Speaker 1: then the next year was Boise State with Cedric Wilson
Speaker 1: and of course Layton vander esh and then this year
Speaker 1: was Miami with the back to back picks. Yeah, Kurt,
Speaker 1: you did a cool story sixty facts about the Cowboys Draft. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just like he didn't even tell him, tell us on
Speaker 1: the show or anything. A couple of things out of
Speaker 1: there that I was shocked by is that they drafted
Speaker 1: pat Riley the basketball coach, and Carl Lewis the sprinter.
Speaker 1: What are some other what were some other facts in
Speaker 1: there that was some of your favorite They've had some
Speaker 1: other guys like they can't remember names now that Lou
Speaker 1: Hudson I think was went on to be an All
Speaker 1: Star basketball player. Um, the drafted guy that played twelve
Speaker 1: years from in the majors as a baseball player. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's there's some interesting both good and bad.
Speaker 1: Actually facts, were there any facts that weren't like player
Speaker 1: related that were I didn't read your whole list. I
Speaker 1: just read thought it just the interesting part Kurt and
Speaker 1: still has to go back and read it. Let miss
Speaker 1: it is, uh, miss take what what what else? You know?
Speaker 1: Listening broadest and other people where you got a little
Speaker 1: bit of information. What are some of the other players
Speaker 1: of things that you liked it about this draft that
Speaker 1: you heard that was nice about this draft? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course I was surprised that they didn't go after
Speaker 1: a safety earlier then you know, when they started focusing
Speaker 1: on that the defensive backfield. But the biggest thing that
Speaker 1: I was surprised by it was the fact that they
Speaker 1: went after two running backs and in prominent positions drafted
Speaker 1: those guys. And I was listening to Will McClay on
Speaker 1: something and they were talking about, like, Okay Webber from
Speaker 1: Ohio State, what does this mean for Tony Pollard. I
Speaker 1: think Stephen Jones compared him to Alvin Kamara, not saying
Speaker 1: that he is, but just saying that he had similar
Speaker 1: traits and skills that they could utilize the intangibles. And
Speaker 1: I was very surprised that they went after two guys
Speaker 1: because now that's a big competition spot which really wasn't
Speaker 1: around before that. And I think you think they won't
Speaker 1: be resigning Zeke. Yeah, just you know, we got a
Speaker 1: new Ohio, say, guy, let's just keep keep him around.
Speaker 1: Well they picked up his fifth year. Yeah, so wow,
Speaker 1: maybe they're setting themselves up if he gets upset about
Speaker 1: that and tries to hold out or something. They got
Speaker 1: some insurance. Who knows. I'm interested to see how that's
Speaker 1: going to play out, because see a lot of people
Speaker 1: won't admit, you know, and I like what, Chris, So
Speaker 1: you better be factory in. We may can't pay this guy, right,
Speaker 1: and that better be a part of how you draft
Speaker 1: because if you don't, because that's real life, you'll be
Speaker 1: left naked man. Yeah yeah, yeah. And I heard a
Speaker 1: bunch of people last week. They were asking questions like,
Speaker 1: after we'd been so heavy on Cornerback and safety talk
Speaker 1: and was like, oh, so they're not signing Byron Jones,
Speaker 1: like they're just gonna get rid of him, and that's
Speaker 1: not the case. Ultimately, they would like to keep all players.
Speaker 1: But just with the salary situation, said it what it is.
Speaker 1: You have to be aware of that because then they're
Speaker 1: gonna be mad when they're like, oh, Jacksonville just paid
Speaker 1: Byron huge money. You know, who do we have now?
Speaker 1: Because you guys never set anyone up. So that's what
Speaker 1: they're doing right now. And it seems boring kind of
Speaker 1: because you don't know what these guys are. But it's great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: great safety literally safety a guy. We had it here
Speaker 1: the other day. Miss te brought in Danny right see,
Speaker 1: and I'm going along with Curtain. The other guys that
Speaker 1: have said is that they don't value it the way
Speaker 1: they do a three technique, or they don't value the
Speaker 1: way they do running back at dis cards. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that's not to say that we we we can't look
Speaker 1: at our safeties as no bodies. You know, we just
Speaker 1: automatically took that. Okay, Yes, Jennifer Heath has some traits
Speaker 1: that we don't like. That there word again, some traits
Speaker 1: that may not be appealing to most, but I've always thought,
Speaker 1: who gets to the quarterback first, the safety or the
Speaker 1: three technique in this in this scheme, in this defense
Speaker 1: are the defensive man. That's why I was so keen
Speaker 1: on that getting that defensive tackle that can stop the run.
Speaker 1: But it's a health acious pass Russian because that, I
Speaker 1: promise you, if these guys up front can mash with
Speaker 1: with Quinn, you don't have to worry about the back
Speaker 1: end as much. They're gonna be set up. They can
Speaker 1: stop being so scared about blowing the coverage and take
Speaker 1: calculated risks on jumping that rock, because that's that's the
Speaker 1: difference to happen after that capability and the knowledge to
Speaker 1: know when you can drop that rock what route can
Speaker 1: possibly be ruined, and not be scared to get beat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think we saw that with the movies they
Speaker 1: did make to get Quinn, and yeah, you know, to
Speaker 1: get deal paid the way they did. But then you're
Speaker 1: bringing up guys, I mean, Danny McCray, Burry Church, Jeff Heath.
Speaker 1: A lot of those safeties they've had in the years
Speaker 1: past were either late, late picks or completely undrafted. So
Speaker 1: I think they feel comfortable about that, and that seemed
Speaker 1: like everybody else better than everybody else. But the thing
Speaker 1: about it, until they got like Danny said, until they
Speaker 1: get a guy that's ahead above him, you can't be
Speaker 1: six inches better than it because right now he is
Speaker 1: a veteran and he's learned, so he knew a limit
Speaker 1: of tricks to the trade. So you're gonna just go
Speaker 1: out and draft the guy that's gonna run willy nilly
Speaker 1: back there. So you gotta get a guy. That safety
Speaker 1: gonna have to be that guy that comes in and
Speaker 1: he's maturer off the bat. He's a professional right off
Speaker 1: the bat. He understands his position and what he's back
Speaker 1: there doing and the responsibilities that come to it. Was
Speaker 1: that guy there. I think that guy was, but he
Speaker 1: probably got took early because the safety is rap was
Speaker 1: still there after them. There was a few safeties still
Speaker 1: there after that second pick. It was a few guys
Speaker 1: still there just rolling off the board, five or six
Speaker 1: players down at US. So if the Cowboys wanting them,
Speaker 1: they were there. But I think the Savage guy and
Speaker 1: the other guy that went first, who nobody thought. The
Speaker 1: two guys that they think was going in the first
Speaker 1: round they went in the first round. Yeah. Two things,
Speaker 1: I want to get too real quick, get there? What
Speaker 1: are you? A couple of years favorite things? I saw
Speaker 1: you looking at him. I'll give you my favorite one
Speaker 1: here from nineteen sixty four, we drafted Bob Hayes, who
Speaker 1: obviously was bullet Bob Hayes went on to win the
Speaker 1: gold medal at the Olympics. But unlike Carl Lewis, he
Speaker 1: wasn't just a track guy. He was actually a pretty
Speaker 1: good football player. He played at Florida A and M.
Speaker 1: First African American to ever play in the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: And really I didn't know that in that game, but Bob, hey,
Speaker 1: he caught a touchdown pass from Joe nainleth in that game. Wow?
Speaker 1: Was that immobile back then? I think so? Has it
Speaker 1: been amobile the whole time? Wow? And the head coach
Speaker 1: of the South team, Tom Landry, that's some that's some
Speaker 1: deep digging for Walker was a world class sprinter in college.
Speaker 1: He was he was running against Carl Lewis. And then
Speaker 1: the last thing I want to get to Taylor, do
Speaker 1: you watch a game of Thrones? Here's my thing and
Speaker 1: part of the one percent of the population does not
Speaker 1: here you donate does but he knows everything that happens
Speaker 1: on the show Guilty Pleasure. So um back, I guess
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, when it really was like
Speaker 1: gaining all the popularity, I was like, maybe I'll start
Speaker 1: watching it, and then I didn't, and then now here
Speaker 1: it is the final season, three more episodes. I thought
Speaker 1: last year was the final season, so I'm confused, but no,
Speaker 1: this is the final. Okay, but didn't they say last
Speaker 1: year was I don't think so, or they like hin
Speaker 1: did it something? I think they left it up in
Speaker 1: the air. I don't think they said that. I tells
Speaker 1: right here they did this, so sweet, don't don't sail people.
Speaker 1: Let me say something. All the main characters, all of
Speaker 1: the main characters. I'm telling you they you knew that
Speaker 1: day was gonna get wiped out by the Walkers. Why
Speaker 1: is he I don't even know what he's saying. And now, well,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I'm waiting until this season is
Speaker 1: over to completely go back. Just remember everything you thought
Speaker 1: everybody thought John wasn't name John John Snow the Dragon princess. Uh,
Speaker 1: the raven guy who went raven the other night in
Speaker 1: the wheelchair. Uh, bran Brand, all these people, I mean,
Speaker 1: the d's white and then the white King. He woke
Speaker 1: up even the bodies to night that I don't ever
Speaker 1: say something, girl, I tell you something. This is what
Speaker 1: was so funny. Right at the last minute, my girl
Speaker 1: just came out. What are you seeing it? My girl
Speaker 1: came out of waste. Oh yeah, that was sweet. Bro.
Speaker 1: He did a bunch of people. Really, man, I don't care.
Speaker 1: I don't care. Watch it when you're supposed to watch.
Speaker 1: But but the super Bowl is coming though, bro, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the super Bowl. Because the queen that thought she was
Speaker 1: gonna get the queen that thought, y'all watch the Game
Speaker 1: of Thrones, don't listen, put your fingers on the queen
Speaker 1: that thought that she's never make it through the White Walkers.
Speaker 1: Now she's sitting there like with that little smirk on
Speaker 1: her face. Okay, yeah, it was. It was. It was.
Speaker 1: It was a good show. I mean, they did it right.
Speaker 1: It was so sweet to all of these people just
Speaker 1: to know you're gonna die and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: you just starting now, no telling you, girl, Taylor. Here's
Speaker 1: the thing, day, blue baby day, y'all blue. First thing
Speaker 1: Taylor's going to learn when she starts watching the show.
Speaker 1: Is no one is say no one, So no one
Speaker 1: really hasn't given anything because and everybody expected this episode.
Speaker 1: You expected at least half the main characters to get
Speaker 1: wiped out. And you know, we had we had a
Speaker 1: death pool Saturday night at the bar, and me and
Speaker 1: two of my buddies, we all we we drafted four
Speaker 1: characters a piece, and every character that died on your
Speaker 1: list you got ten bucks from the other two guys. Wow.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell you the sweetest I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you the sweetest thing. The sweetest thing, Miss Tay, and
Speaker 1: I'm not a sentimental guy, is you know the one
Speaker 1: that the one guy that was fighting for the for
Speaker 1: the Dragon Queen, then all of a sudden he got
Speaker 1: slave and then the big dragon came without the noise.
Speaker 1: But you know he liked John Snow, the red Dragon
Speaker 1: kind of like old John Snow at least smelt him
Speaker 1: out a couple of a week ago. Jeez. You want
Speaker 1: to know the sweetest thing about Game of Arms. If
Speaker 1: you guys have seen the documentary series that cnnded called
Speaker 1: two thousands, basically when HBO, like after HBO finished The
Speaker 1: Sopranos and they had Nurse Jackie. They had a couple
Speaker 1: different series. They were like pretty much like bottoms up
Speaker 1: because Netflix was really entering the movie market and before that,
Speaker 1: HBO was like the king of that, like they had
Speaker 1: all the old movies, and so the HBO executives were like,
Speaker 1: we don't know what we're gonna do, Like we're either
Speaker 1: about to just be completely done or we have to
Speaker 1: get a couple other like big time shows. And so
Speaker 1: they had a couple other ones I can't even think of,
Speaker 1: like White Queen, The Queen Show like Rome I think
Speaker 1: was a show that was on HBO, but then The
Speaker 1: White Queen is the show it always be. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: here we go. Game of Thrones astarted. The budget was
Speaker 1: so small they didn't even have like enough money in
Speaker 1: that season one to show any of like real battle scenes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and now it's like and now it's episodes of movie. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like one of the most historical television series that
Speaker 1: will ever. I'm telling you, it's an existence, say, HBO. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what That's pretty cool. But no, let me say this.
Speaker 1: In this last season, things that you thought they would
Speaker 1: drag out to the end, like the Big Wars and
Speaker 1: all that you thought they would, but they brought this
Speaker 1: in the second. You see what I'm saying. You would
Speaker 1: have thought that they would have build it up more
Speaker 1: and they the battle would have been very last. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be another. Yeah, let's go super Bowl coming girl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: right now, they got the AFC Championship game went up.
Speaker 1: Let's get out of here before Nate pisses every one
Speaker 1: of our visit pushers offs. So I'll tell you what,
Speaker 1: man watch this. Yeah, he said he didn't even watch it.
Speaker 1: His wife does. He just said, forget I hate that
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones goes. This is my Christian beliege. Thanks
Speaker 1: for showing up, Hurt, Thanks for Brandon date. I tell
Speaker 1: you I seen saw Taylor peak around the corner. Thanks
Speaker 1: for joining Douglas, Thanks for doing what you do. Ken,
Speaker 1: Thanks for pushing the button. And I'm sending somebody the draft. No,
Speaker 1: thanks for scheduling everything. We will be back next Monday.
Speaker 1: What we're gonna talk about next week the fans. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try to get one of these games. Will McClay
Speaker 1: oldest Will McClay said he will be glad to Yeah,
Speaker 1: check with him. He said he would do it. Maybe
Speaker 1: Will McClay, maybe a draft pick, maybe fan calls, maybe
Speaker 1: all the above. Next week on Hanging with the Boys.
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