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Speaker 1: look over there? How is that culture? Yeah? Goodness, less
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Speaker 1: talking about the weather, no interest. But this has got
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Speaker 1: the discourse. On the discourse, it's so meta. It's like
Speaker 1: a culture vote. It's like voting to vote. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's having the conversation. To have the conversation about talking
Speaker 1: about the weather, because I keep going back and forth,
Speaker 1: and you keep going back and forth, and where they're
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Speaker 1: up both your hands in our guest face, and you said,
Speaker 1: don't hug me, no one touched me. I'm a sop
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Speaker 1: I would have hugged you anyway. That was not the reading.
Speaker 1: Then what then? How what did you say? So our
Speaker 1: guest shoots up from his chair our guest? I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean if I'm if anyone were to outmatch my warmth,
Speaker 1: it would be our guest shut up? Okay, what she
Speaker 1: could be icy? She could be icy over email, Well,
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Speaker 1: to hug me. And this is this is this is
Speaker 1: the reading. Well can you can you just repeat the
Speaker 1: quote you said, don't touch me, no one hugged me.
Speaker 1: I'm a sop befest. Okay, this is this is how
Speaker 1: I said it. Don't touch me, no one hugged me.
Speaker 1: I'm a stop fast. You love to give yourself a
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Speaker 1: And can I say something? Yes, we only allow so
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Speaker 1: I know I've noticed and you and I always tell
Speaker 1: you always have the permission and we have the right
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Speaker 1: watch RuPaul's Dragons and write those recaps before I had
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Speaker 1: completely stretched, then, um, honestly and being a fucking money
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Speaker 1: such nice things about us. We were on a good one.
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Speaker 1: Oh that was so nice. Forever you are. You know,
Speaker 1: you're the sweetest boy. You're the sweetest boy. I try.
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Speaker 1: your tweets with love Jesse. Because Hunter made me and
Speaker 1: Hunter's young and taught me how Twitter war this is.
Speaker 1: You were talking about the iconic I have to say something.
Speaker 1: This episode will largely be about you. But now that
Speaker 1: you've mentioned well, I bring her up and then immediately
Speaker 1: I brought it up. So the first time I first
Speaker 1: became involved on Twitter with Hunter Harris when Alex Young
Speaker 1: was coming to Game Show. He asked for tickets to
Speaker 1: Game show and I said yes. He's like, can I
Speaker 1: have a plus one to bring the iconic counter Harris?
Speaker 1: And I was like, I think I know this person
Speaker 1: from Twitter and even he referred to her as the
Speaker 1: iconic uns. You have to follow Hunter Harris at Hunter
Speaker 1: y Harris. You will not be disappointed. It's daily, just
Speaker 1: like daily. Belly laughs for me, are you bringing something up?
Speaker 1: I'm bringing something up? She So we're recording this on July.
Speaker 1: What is the seventeen um tweet? Nineteen I mean nations
Speaker 1: came out yesterday. She tweeted her. She tweeted, um, not
Speaker 1: not a single billions nomination. I see period locking off
Speaker 1: and fajor bars she her, So I like sort of
Speaker 1: had a private good one with her. But how she
Speaker 1: does it to Her computer is filled with folders that
Speaker 1: are collated by types of gifts, types of photos. I
Speaker 1: was like, I was like, she was like my friends like,
Speaker 1: don't let them make this is special. It's really a thing.
Speaker 1: She's amazing, the queen of Twitter for me, Queen of Twitter,
Speaker 1: the queen truly so goddamn funny, so fun I'm just
Speaker 1: laughing at like she you tweeted something that you just
Speaker 1: tweeted the other day we were together, we were just
Speaker 1: I was at mats apartment. We were laughing, laughing, laughing
Speaker 1: about Hunter, and then you tweeted screaming why Harrison is
Speaker 1: the queen of Twitter or something. And then she quite
Speaker 1: tweets and she and all she says is the taste
Speaker 1: he has taste spelled t a with an M S
Speaker 1: t e. Axon take the toss day that he has. Wait,
Speaker 1: hold on, I'm going to share one more, one more
Speaker 1: tweet that I liked that is just like, hold, this
Speaker 1: is so annoying. Don't mean a private good one like you. No. No.
Speaker 1: I literally just asked her how she did it. I
Speaker 1: think you. I think that's so. She said six, I
Speaker 1: mean six Emmy nominations for Homecoming, a film by Beyonce,
Speaker 1: eight periods, a huge ellipses, a moment most pleasing to
Speaker 1: me in my career. It crazy. I don't know who
Speaker 1: one of those was for writing which I which can
Speaker 1: we talk about this? I think it's odd, It's beyond odd.
Speaker 1: It's her Nanette want of Sykes because this is the
Speaker 1: way where most stand ups get nominated. I'm very aware
Speaker 1: of this guy. So her Nanette wanted Sikes, Amy Schumer
Speaker 1: and man Who's and Adam Sandler and Adam Sandler. It's
Speaker 1: truly like four Netflix specials and Beyonce for writing um Homecoming,
Speaker 1: which we should be said, a phenomenal special, phenomenal phenomenal.
Speaker 1: Let's let's even give it a phenomenal outstanding variety of
Speaker 1: special whatever the next word is for her. I mean
Speaker 1: maybe part of the submission was I don't know, I'm
Speaker 1: not as much of an Awards one because I would
Speaker 1: like to be. But maybe part of the special is
Speaker 1: submitting some writing sample from the true But it's like,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know, like all like the phone muffled
Speaker 1: phone voiceovers in Homecoming, I'm sure like she like I
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm sure she was involved in that creative process. Well,
Speaker 1: someone had to write that sketch with the bug a
Speaker 1: booze bugga booze make me laugh, which is Emmy worthy.
Speaker 1: But I also think that Emmy's like when think they
Speaker 1: like to teut like this got eleven, this guy they
Speaker 1: like having both one nominees like things yetting on a role.
Speaker 1: I don't know totally why. So it's probably also like,
Speaker 1: well there is writing. It was not bad, so like
Speaker 1: this is a sensation they want to make sure that
Speaker 1: you haven't. They want when you look at the total
Speaker 1: nominees like these are the most important TV things of
Speaker 1: the year. I get that. Here's my problem with it.
Speaker 1: And actually this is this is something where I was
Speaker 1: talking to my dad about this today, like their dad
Speaker 1: was like nominated. I forget how it came up. It
Speaker 1: probably wasn't a topic and then I just started talking
Speaker 1: about and knowing me um, but I was saying, like
Speaker 1: it's weird that there's no category called like individual performance,
Speaker 1: because when you watch Homecoming, what is amazing about Homecoming?
Speaker 1: Beyonce's performance? And yet there is not a category that
Speaker 1: exists to reward performance and especially like that. So even
Speaker 1: if we're calling live performance, yes, even like if we're
Speaker 1: calling what Hannah Gatsby does there an individual performance, there's
Speaker 1: no right, there's no category to acknowledge that. And yet
Speaker 1: there is this writing category that Beyonce gets nominated for
Speaker 1: when it's like, if you watch that, you're like, wow,
Speaker 1: she should win an Emmy for this performance on television,
Speaker 1: and yet there is no category four. And that is
Speaker 1: actually where I would place all the Saturday Night Live performers.
Speaker 1: That is a weird thing, very much weird. It's always weird,
Speaker 1: but it's nice. I guess when there was a time
Speaker 1: where sn L. I mean there's decades where there no
Speaker 1: one is getting nominated, so well, what's cool when they
Speaker 1: started getting But now because it's in the news all
Speaker 1: the time. I don't know if you've heard Bowen that
Speaker 1: now that they have to try out a few Robert
Speaker 1: de Niro's getting one for eight minutes of screen time, right,
Speaker 1: which is he submitted the Sandra episode, which is which
Speaker 1: Sandra also got nominated for. But for me, the SNL
Speaker 1: thing is weird because it's it's weird that it splits
Speaker 1: off into there's it lives under the umbrella category of variety.
Speaker 1: But then but then these these nominations fall under comedy.
Speaker 1: You can there be variety performed, Yes, there you go,
Speaker 1: that's what that's what's missing there. And I think I
Speaker 1: think there did used to be a category called individual performance,
Speaker 1: which with them was done away with and they moved
Speaker 1: the SML performers to competing all and supporting, which is
Speaker 1: fine comedy in comedy. But my my issue with that,
Speaker 1: and it has nothing to do with should they be recognized.
Speaker 1: Of course they should be recognized, but I have I
Speaker 1: have a tough time reconciling and also knowing, by the
Speaker 1: way that none of this matters and most of its bought.
Speaker 1: But like I have a tough sime time reconciling, like,
Speaker 1: how do you put Kate McKinnon's incredible performance on sn
Speaker 1: NOW up next to someone like Betty Gilbin, You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? They are doing two different things. And
Speaker 1: also you know what, shall I started watching dead to
Speaker 1: me fantastic, fantastic, But I don't think that a comedy,
Speaker 1: and it's twenty nine minutes long, so it's not really
Speaker 1: a drama. It's like all these things are like blending
Speaker 1: in together and it's just getting too weird. And now
Speaker 1: I'm kind of thinking, like, at what point did these
Speaker 1: and also it's binary too, which is weird. At what
Speaker 1: point of these categories just melt away and we just
Speaker 1: start honoring performances for what they are. I get that
Speaker 1: it's less fun, but you know what I mean, like
Speaker 1: it's getting weird. The only two directions it could go
Speaker 1: is if it if it got more granular like best
Speaker 1: performance in a drama, which is never which I don't
Speaker 1: think it's gonna happen. Or the other direction is it
Speaker 1: all gets lump together into one monolith of but then
Speaker 1: it becomes like the Pulitzers or the other warden that
Speaker 1: sounds like Pulitzers, or like here's a pile of people
Speaker 1: body which is not fun to look at. You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's no you don't know what they're being judged against.
Speaker 1: It becomes like a fair award, but not a thing
Speaker 1: you'd want to watch a show up of course, right,
Speaker 1: It's like part of it is you're seeing the faces
Speaker 1: of six Now eight people are nominated for Best, so
Speaker 1: you'll see their eight faces and you're like, who's it
Speaker 1: going to be? And then they'll they'll pick somebody and
Speaker 1: then they'll get some speech and you'll forget who wins
Speaker 1: or whatever. Um, but that is it is good TV?
Speaker 1: Is it good awarding? Who knows? But that is why
Speaker 1: we watch it because it's a television. Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: lumped it, then it's just literally like listing people's names. Yeah, literally,
Speaker 1: that is you know who I think does it? Right?
Speaker 1: Is the Television Critics Association of the They what they
Speaker 1: do is they say, here are six nominations for achievement
Speaker 1: and comedy, and here's six nominations for achievement and drama,
Speaker 1: and it's individual achievement and drama. And I remember, like, um,
Speaker 1: this is an award that like Rachel Bloom has won
Speaker 1: and that and they don't break it down by gender.
Speaker 1: They do not, and the the the the um. Whenever
Speaker 1: I brought this up before as an idea, some people say,
Speaker 1: you know, I think rightfully, so like, well, you know
Speaker 1: what will happen, Like it'll be all men and then
Speaker 1: the women will be under representative and honestly, I actually
Speaker 1: think that, and you can see on these t c
Speaker 1: A awards like it's predominantly women. I think that the
Speaker 1: women on television are by far giving the most exciting
Speaker 1: performances because they're giving the space to do so. So
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think it would go that way, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I think TV would be It would work because, as
Speaker 1: you said, there's more shows for women, there's more interesting roles.
Speaker 1: The roles written for Manner television or the same roll
Speaker 1: over and over again, which is at the same time whatever.
Speaker 1: But it would You couldn't do it for the oscars
Speaker 1: because it would be it would take forever. And this
Speaker 1: is just the nature of that industry, is that the
Speaker 1: movie industry moved so slowly, like because there's such an
Speaker 1: investment each thing, it takes forever. There's like only so
Speaker 1: many movies a year that released, so that's why hard.
Speaker 1: But TV you can definitely do it, and then women
Speaker 1: would win all the time. Like I feel like other
Speaker 1: than the sort of like Lynchpin, big male antihero characters
Speaker 1: on TV, I feel like you're not seeing that that
Speaker 1: much interesting stuff in lead actor roles. For the most part,
Speaker 1: I think there's so much more in male supporting roles
Speaker 1: and in female lead roles and female supports. I mean,
Speaker 1: you saw a Game of Thrones, like they got so
Speaker 1: many nominations and it's like it was supporting actress tons
Speaker 1: of women, four out of the six, which is kucku.
Speaker 1: But then you look and you're like, well, they're all great,
Speaker 1: but did you see um somebody posted like the breakdown
Speaker 1: of screen time that all the Game of Thrones cast
Speaker 1: that they're and like it's like dink Ledge has like
Speaker 1: over a forty minutes of screen time when you can
Speaker 1: take all the season and Alfie Allen have like eight,
Speaker 1: and it's like yet they're both supporting actors and it's
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's it's just I think TV.
Speaker 1: I felt that. I always think the Emmys is interesting
Speaker 1: because the Emmy's is voted on by people that work
Speaker 1: in all of TV, including people that make the TV
Speaker 1: we never talked about, right, so they like when TV
Speaker 1: works like, which means people watch it. So there's like
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones is a big hit, we have to
Speaker 1: celebrate it because it did sort of like stop time,
Speaker 1: like it might be the last time we all sit down,
Speaker 1: like big bank there didn't get nominated because they do
Speaker 1: feel like they support like doing a good job, like
Speaker 1: I feel like with like Late Night Variety, the late
Speaker 1: night shows, they feel like they often reward like successful
Speaker 1: broadcasting opposed to like artful television or whatever, like oh,
Speaker 1: they are the best, sort of the most basic of
Speaker 1: like they responded to the day or whatever it means
Speaker 1: to be a broadcaster. And I think that's probably where,
Speaker 1: like Game of Thrones is a big hit, let's celebrate
Speaker 1: the whole run by seeing how many people we can nominate.
Speaker 1: And it's like when a Lord of the Rings was
Speaker 1: nominated for every single Oscar, there's like, look, this is
Speaker 1: only going to happen so many times. I feel like
Speaker 1: the industry wants to applaud itself for having a hit,
Speaker 1: like they once to, Look, we can still do it,
Speaker 1: Like we're still a monoculture. We still this thing was
Speaker 1: both big and good, which is I feel like a
Speaker 1: very sort of a very and a very Ellie sort
Speaker 1: of reasoning, which is like, if it is good, and
Speaker 1: it is if it is successfully big, that it is
Speaker 1: at least somewhat good, right that you have to reward
Speaker 1: it for for for it had to do something right
Speaker 1: it costs a lot of money, like it it did
Speaker 1: sort of the job of like successfully employing people in
Speaker 1: the entertainment industry. What are your favorite nominations that happened?
Speaker 1: Oh god, this is so hard. I can tell you
Speaker 1: mine what you think? Um yeah, you go. I actually
Speaker 1: can't believe that Fleabag was nominated. I can, of course,
Speaker 1: I can believe it based on quality. But like ship
Speaker 1: like that, like that everyone's talking about and everyone knows
Speaker 1: is so good, rarely like rarely breaks through, Like like
Speaker 1: you remember when The Wire was on TV and everyone
Speaker 1: knew The Wire was the best show. Never was The
Speaker 1: Wire like up for those awards and maybe later on,
Speaker 1: but like never, like Friday Night Lights, it took so
Speaker 1: long for that show to get recognized. So something like
Speaker 1: this where it's like, you know, it's the whole industry
Speaker 1: stopped and was like literally the industry stopped working and
Speaker 1: scared the funk out of people, um like truly, like
Speaker 1: you don't believe that those things are gonna get recognized.
Speaker 1: And then something like Ships Creek where I just thought
Speaker 1: that had like a niche fan base, but it just
Speaker 1: goes to show I think the efforts to diversify and
Speaker 1: include like younger people, diverse people like that slowly and
Speaker 1: shortly you're seeing those things get embraced. M is it.
Speaker 1: I think it might have something to do with the
Speaker 1: finality of both of those things, because it was that
Speaker 1: I think has one more season. I think Fleet I
Speaker 1: mean flee Back. It's like like part of the narrative
Speaker 1: for Fleaback wid this is this is the last season
Speaker 1: she's doing, and it was it's been two years since.
Speaker 1: It's a small show, and usually small shows don't get
Speaker 1: nominated because like it doesn't make Usually a small show
Speaker 1: does not make as big of an impression, but it
Speaker 1: seemingly did. When you sort of exist in sort of
Speaker 1: media bubbles, you do not know if it actually is
Speaker 1: being watched by people outside of those media bubbles, and
Speaker 1: like we have written about in a million times, but
Speaker 1: we don't and we have an audience who cared about it,
Speaker 1: but we have no sense of like, and it seemingly
Speaker 1: has connected with people. But that's why I think the
Speaker 1: biggest snubbles that the Hot Priest didn't get nominated. It's
Speaker 1: so weird because two supporting actors I just did. It's
Speaker 1: crazy and no one was checking for Shawn Clifford, but
Speaker 1: she's amazing. She got a nomination, and that shows that
Speaker 1: people did love it and watched it. And the thing
Speaker 1: about Olivia Coleman getting nominated that she didn't deserve it.
Speaker 1: But it's like she's like her screen time and this
Speaker 1: season was like amounted to what like minutes super small,
Speaker 1: and I can't remember anything in this season. I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm remembered, but like, and I would say, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: the Emmy's like to nominate movie Star, but then the
Speaker 1: then they did not like to nominate movie Starts because
Speaker 1: Julia Roberts didn't get nominated, like exactly that is to
Speaker 1: be both so the Emmys and so not the Emmies
Speaker 1: at the same time. Truly is bizarre, the fact that
Speaker 1: they could have had Julia Roberts there and so deserving.
Speaker 1: Do you think Beyonce will go? Yes, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think she will at all. Well, I guess
Speaker 1: it will come down to whether or not they show
Speaker 1: those categories on the main show. I don't think they
Speaker 1: will because John John mulaney one for one year and
Speaker 1: I remember he gave a speech, so he must have
Speaker 1: won first he won or either Best Outstanding Variety of
Speaker 1: special or writing for variety and like panton Oswalt one
Speaker 1: for something. So they usually do it because they probably
Speaker 1: usually do because that means the stand up comedian will
Speaker 1: say it's something funny. Sure, but they had that great
Speaker 1: powder blue suit last year. You know that, though, I though,
Speaker 1: what if they bring around she doesn't win, that'll be
Speaker 1: that's when you're rigg it. I mean, and in this
Speaker 1: the year of Lion King and the Winds by Medwinds,
Speaker 1: imagine a net winning Michael j will fucking over beyond that, like,
Speaker 1: oh my, I have I have my favorites. I do
Speaker 1: want to point out one gigantic snab and I'm biased,
Speaker 1: but it's something that Jesse's pushed. I was going to say,
Speaker 1: I think Cecily Strong should should be nominated, and I
Speaker 1: think that it is agreed. It's crazy that she doesn't
Speaker 1: get nominated. I felt I saw it. I looked. I
Speaker 1: was like, I was nervous. I looked slowly. I was like,
Speaker 1: and I saw she wasn't there. It's like I should
Speaker 1: have wrote a thing because I was like, I wrote
Speaker 1: the thing about Keenan and Keena got nominated, and he
Speaker 1: might have gotten doing a service, and I was like,
Speaker 1: and we had talked about doing something and we tried
Speaker 1: to and we couldn't get work. And I was like,
Speaker 1: she needs again. She does what the she is, what
Speaker 1: the show is, She does all the parts. She is
Speaker 1: what Bill Hater was for the show what what's his name?
Speaker 1: The guy from the nineties, Chris Parnell, not Chris Parnell
Speaker 1: but like forte nineties and his wife killed him Phil Hartman. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I know, and and and of course it's amazing
Speaker 1: that Kick got nominated again fifth year in a row.
Speaker 1: UM and ad Lesly of course, like In the Path
Speaker 1: got nominated so deservedly. UM would have been great if
Speaker 1: they got nominated again too. But like Cecily going, if
Speaker 1: she leaves that show with ever getting nominated for an Emmy,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, that is such such an oversight for me.
Speaker 1: And you know, the thing about it, too, is it's
Speaker 1: like it's tough because, like I'm saying, like they don't
Speaker 1: really belong in that category, but but yet it seems
Speaker 1: like they've made so much room before. Like I am
Speaker 1: so thrilled to see that so many of the performers
Speaker 1: from that show get recognized because what they do is
Speaker 1: so difficult and so grueling. And perform, yeah, it is performance,
Speaker 1: real performance and like. But but to see that she
Speaker 1: is the one that constantly gets left out is just
Speaker 1: not correct. It's so incorrect. I mean, she she can
Speaker 1: do anything. It's yeah, she's amazing. It'll they'll they'll be
Speaker 1: some sort of karmic justice hopefully, yeah in the future.
Speaker 1: Um if if, if it doesn't, if it doesn't happen,
Speaker 1: well she's a superstar and incredible. You know, while we're
Speaker 1: also talking about that category which has eight people in it,
Speaker 1: there's no space for Darcy card in there. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: how do you watch the episode that you know was
Speaker 1: nominated for writing so that you know they watch it,
Speaker 1: they're like, this is good. Now it is easy. But
Speaker 1: now they're like them is interesting, and you know, it's
Speaker 1: almost like they wrote it for her to get nominated
Speaker 1: for an Emmy and eight and they couldn't. That's it suck.
Speaker 1: It's really bad. And that's why that that's that's what
Speaker 1: brings me back around to Fleabag might fucking win that
Speaker 1: category because they obviously love it because supporting there were Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I think it my win comedy.
Speaker 1: They love Barry. They fully love Barry. They are in
Speaker 1: love supporting actors. And I'm sorry, but like the titular Berry,
Speaker 1: they love Mazel. They're made for them. And the Mazel
Speaker 1: was Maazel for the Emmy's actually really culture number fifty
Speaker 1: five Mazel, And I have to say in the I
Speaker 1: love Mazel. Yeah, we we we stand Mazel. It's just
Speaker 1: crazy because that's when you realize how good television is,
Speaker 1: because you look at the list and you're like, what
Speaker 1: do you mean Darcy and Tsily weren't nominated? To get
Speaker 1: out of my way, let me see the list, And
Speaker 1: then you look at it and you're like, oh god,
Speaker 1: this is so thick. The so you asked one of
Speaker 1: my favorite because I had just for this recording interviewed
Speaker 1: the Palladinos, the Sherman Palladinos. I had rewatched the guy
Speaker 1: that plays the artists in episode seven in season two,
Speaker 1: which I thought was like, oh, it's a great performer,
Speaker 1: but no one will notice it that he got nominated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like the guy who plays Um the comedian, obviously he
Speaker 1: was going to get nominated. His name, Lenny Bruce, Lenny.
Speaker 1: He's so good. It's such a good performance and but
Speaker 1: that the guy that played this artist in like three scenes,
Speaker 1: and I had noticed it because that scene is so
Speaker 1: good and so to how they shoot the show because
Speaker 1: they don't shooting close up, so he acts with this
Speaker 1: full body. I was like, very aware of this is
Speaker 1: what I think. Yeah, it's also an Amazon thing where
Speaker 1: it's like they they're programming is pretty lead and so
Speaker 1: they're able to throw all them go into this one
Speaker 1: they gave. They're like this, I mean, like they spent
Speaker 1: so much money on Mazel. They didn't if that didn't
Speaker 1: get as many nominated nominations as it did, then they'd
Speaker 1: be like, but it did because it got a million
Speaker 1: for it, got two for directing, a couple for writing, obviously, customs,
Speaker 1: obviously producting, design, her incredible lead performance. I don't know
Speaker 1: what will win because they clearly liked those shows so,
Speaker 1: like they tell you like those three shows so much.
Speaker 1: It's a weird one too, because ordinarily you'd look at
Speaker 1: it and you'd say, oh, veep last season of the show,
Speaker 1: and not for nothing. But it's not like Julia Louis
Speaker 1: Dreyfuss wasn't just as good as she always is, if
Speaker 1: not better. I mean, I think she was on eleven
Speaker 1: this season, and there's of course the narrative of she
Speaker 1: returned to the show after being sick. So it's like,
Speaker 1: and she's one more Emmies than I think anyone in
Speaker 1: that category. But but it's like, so, but it'll be interesting,
Speaker 1: and I mean, you look at that category and I'm also,
Speaker 1: like I said, I'm watching dead to me and Christina
Speaker 1: Applegate is forever this woman. She is an icon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: dream guest for the pod. Can you imagine I would
Speaker 1: lose that, I would only want to talk about married
Speaker 1: with children? You would only want to talk about Mary bitch. No, No, Samanthatha.
Speaker 1: What was the movie with her? The movie that she
Speaker 1: did that was her Cameron Diaz, Oh, come on. The
Speaker 1: Sweetest Thing, Sweetest Thing, Sweetest Thing famously Sudie Green's favorite movie.
Speaker 1: She would be people's favorite movie. It's far comedy. It's
Speaker 1: like I feel like it was marketed as like a
Speaker 1: light rom was like a proto brides maid like hard comedy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what this is, This is just a random
Speaker 1: thinking about me. Is that for some reason I was,
Speaker 1: I was obsessed with the marketing behind this movie. But
Speaker 1: I never watched I never saw it. Was in her shoes.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Ken, I was like, I need to
Speaker 1: see this movie. I never ended up seeing it. I
Speaker 1: like I would stare at the poster for like thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: You've never seen it, I feel like you. I went
Speaker 1: on IMDb. This is like early days of IMDb. I
Speaker 1: would go on IMDb and like read the quote section
Speaker 1: and just like soak up the dialect, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what am I doing? I should just go see this.
Speaker 1: Actually it was probably in the closet. I was like
Speaker 1: too afraid to go because they'd be made fun like that.
Speaker 1: Like that's why I would watch in Her Shoes with you,
Speaker 1: because because they saw it on a plane. I recommend
Speaker 1: seeing on a plane. I quited the entire time. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I like the movie, but I was like,
Speaker 1: that was also exactly on a plane the tone that
Speaker 1: I want. Oh yeah, that's a plane to plane, honey.
Speaker 1: That's actually it's actually rule coach number seventy one, and
Speaker 1: that's how plane movie honey. Shirley McClain. Shirley McClain, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, Yeah, what an amazing Shirley. There's a scene
Speaker 1: where there's like a running joke where Cameron has like
Speaker 1: in a bikini at like the old folks Home pool
Speaker 1: and alder Men are like, oh, it's like, Cameron Han,
Speaker 1: Cameron Han, Cameron Han. Did she really retire? I mean
Speaker 1: where she at? I don't know. Well, God, she's retired.
Speaker 1: Did she announce her retirement? That's definitely asking yeah, like
Speaker 1: a few times. And I think Cameron, what was the
Speaker 1: lasting she was in that movie? Annie was after it
Speaker 1: and he yeah, and he was after I mean Annie
Speaker 1: would put the nail on the coffin for anybody that's
Speaker 1: that's a real rough run. Wait that movie, that movie
Speaker 1: where she fokes a car, like is that like the
Speaker 1: energy of it is? It's that movie? Hspt hots Senior
Speaker 1: producer Tracy is making a face. She's like, I'm sorry what, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what is It's not that she sucks a car, but
Speaker 1: it's definitely Cameron a car energy the car? Why is
Speaker 1: talking about? Are you talking about the movie with Michael
Speaker 1: Fastbender and Penelope Cruise where she's like, yeah, and Howard
Speaker 1: is telling a story to Michael Fastbender and he's like,
Speaker 1: this weird thing happened, and then he's then it's a
Speaker 1: flashback in a car and then she's like, this car
Speaker 1: is hot or something so hot, I would have sex
Speaker 1: with it. Yeah, the counsel written by cor mckmccarthy, truly
Speaker 1: three years McCarthy wrote it. Yeah, and she full on
Speaker 1: what's the year on this with the car? It was
Speaker 1: recent and I remember like on those awards websites that
Speaker 1: like Prognosticate, she was getting a lot of supporting natural buzz.
Speaker 1: They were like, this is the kind of thing. Before
Speaker 1: it came out, people were like, this movie is gonna
Speaker 1: be good. And then so I think you probably have
Speaker 1: ideas of what it would mean for her to have
Speaker 1: sex with a car. But if I remember correctly, it
Speaker 1: is not that she has sex with the windshield. Okay,
Speaker 1: And I just want to say, I just want to say,
Speaker 1: how did you so that it walked so that? Why
Speaker 1: did you do that to me? Could fly even not
Speaker 1: even run? Fly? And we have to just prayers up
Speaker 1: to Hunter, why Harris? Because just her dedication to still
Speaker 1: doing about the stars almost a year later, can we
Speaker 1: say what a moment a star was born? And the
Speaker 1: culture it really was? It really was, this is a
Speaker 1: cultural podcast. We have to give respect we did to
Speaker 1: get ahold Goddam episode booster. I remember that I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't wait for this episode. I remember where I
Speaker 1: was when I listened to that. And the episode came
Speaker 1: about six weeks later because we couldn't get Jolie in
Speaker 1: the studio and we were like, there's no one else.
Speaker 1: We have to talk to Joe about what a moment
Speaker 1: most pleasing to me in my career? It was do
Speaker 1: you feel like the movie? It was a rare time
Speaker 1: where I feel like, sorry, guy could have been a
Speaker 1: thing where the trailer was the moment I know then
Speaker 1: the movie was like, oh remember how good the like
Speaker 1: like miss was, were like at the moment where the
Speaker 1: wild things are like where the trailer was the moment. Wait,
Speaker 1: now we have to stop everything and have a moment
Speaker 1: because did you see speaking of literally the late and
Speaker 1: you know this podcast do talk about Cats? Honey. We
Speaker 1: are about to enter the cultural moment that is Cats
Speaker 1: the film, and they have put out the feature I
Speaker 1: haven't seen the future. We should just say it is
Speaker 1: July seventeenth. As I said, this is a moment. This
Speaker 1: is a time capsule for the world as it was
Speaker 1: before the Cats trailer dropped. Before the trailer most fature,
Speaker 1: this is this isn't almostly I'm like, care July sevente
Speaker 1: to July Yes, so sorry, um, okay, how is the
Speaker 1: You guys both saw the faturette? I mean so it
Speaker 1: definitely calls back to the Late Miss featurette and that
Speaker 1: Hugh Jackman is like when you're acting and it's amazing,
Speaker 1: and like basically it's reply is Hugh with Jennifer Hudson
Speaker 1: and Taylor Swift, which I'm sorry, the iconography that that has,
Speaker 1: the access that that has, the international implications that that has. Taylor.
Speaker 1: Taylor is so excited to be on set, to work
Speaker 1: with choreographers that are this good and to just be
Speaker 1: a part of the moment that is Cats. And Jennifer
Speaker 1: Hudson when she heard that she was going to be
Speaker 1: in Cats, she said who and she will be This
Speaker 1: is all in the feature. She'll be singing as Grizabella.
Speaker 1: And you know they do give Grizabella this song memory
Speaker 1: all Alone in the Moonlight JD for Taylor. So Jay
Speaker 1: Hudge think, oh my god, even you gave Taylor Swift
Speaker 1: Memory and be like, no, it would be rough, but
Speaker 1: I mean famously they told with the idea of giving
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift the role of happening on my own, just
Speaker 1: Taylors singing on my own? Can you imagine? I actually can?
Speaker 1: And that is horrifying and noting. But you you've like
Speaker 1: really inhabited tailors, you know, mind and headspace. All I'm
Speaker 1: saying is they backed off of her for le miss
Speaker 1: and invited her into cats, and there show some clips
Speaker 1: of her like sort of dancing up steps and dancing
Speaker 1: down steps, and it's like really going to be something,
Speaker 1: and Jennifer Hudson is being the oldest cat in the world.
Speaker 1: And then the funniest thing, the funniest thing about it
Speaker 1: is she's talking about playing like this old glamour cat
Speaker 1: and they cut to Judy Dench and it's like, why
Speaker 1: isn't she the old cat. She's clearly the old cat.
Speaker 1: And then Judy Dench says, I she was like, I
Speaker 1: was supposed to be in cats, and then I tore
Speaker 1: my achilles tending and I was like, I thought cats
Speaker 1: and me would never I thought that was the end
Speaker 1: of my story with cats. And then Adris Elba, you
Speaker 1: would think would be like above it, but he's like
Speaker 1: the size of the scale of the sets to be
Speaker 1: in the world of the cats. And then you see rebel.
Speaker 1: Rebel Wilson walked to a door and can't reach the door. Now, um,
Speaker 1: I will say this is going to be a horrible movie.
Speaker 1: I would not disagree. And then James Cordon is also
Speaker 1: in it, and he goes and he goes, it's technology
Speaker 1: I've never seen before where you're human but you're also
Speaker 1: a cat. And then they show and then they show
Speaker 1: the like computer bones of someone dancing, like you just
Speaker 1: see a outline of a person, and then like the
Speaker 1: red Skeleton and they're going they're doing exactly that, and
Speaker 1: you think they're to do we have to be the
Speaker 1: highest we've ever been. I think the movie is going
Speaker 1: to be what if you it's not going to be good,
Speaker 1: so will be exactly what you wanted to be. Well, famously,
Speaker 1: things don't have to be good to be good, and
Speaker 1: famously the source material itself is not very good. That's
Speaker 1: why Unlikely Miss, which could be good where the should
Speaker 1: should be good, had one like probably good ten minutes
Speaker 1: and then like was unwatchable. This is should be bad.
Speaker 1: So then you're like, this is so if it does
Speaker 1: what it's supposed to do. Camp it's got it's got
Speaker 1: a low floor, high ceiling low ceiling, low ceiling, low ceiling. Yeah, whatever,
Speaker 1: And but I get what you're saying that, Like, I
Speaker 1: think it will be a assuming that they're taking they are,
Speaker 1: it will be a true it's bad and exactly what
Speaker 1: it was. I mean, if you had any suspicions about
Speaker 1: whether or not they're taking it seriously, this feature that
Speaker 1: will confirm, yes, they are taking it seriously. And Rebel
Speaker 1: Wilson is also which always makes me feel like, okay, like,
Speaker 1: how seriously can we take this if Rebel Wilson isn't
Speaker 1: it not saying that I don't I love Rebel is
Speaker 1: a comedy star, Like, I don't think I'm gonna see
Speaker 1: the truth in Rebel's eyes? Really, Okay, Wow, I'm just
Speaker 1: saying my Mike screen partner, Rebel Wilson, and I'm not
Speaker 1: coming for her. I'm just saying, like, it seems like
Speaker 1: they went when it came to casting, they said, how
Speaker 1: do we go a full ten with every role? Memory?
Speaker 1: And then sorry spoiler alert die. She goes to the
Speaker 1: side layer. It's rule culture. Now, I got what's the
Speaker 1: rule culture. It's rule culture number five. She goes to um,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I what were those words I did not.
Speaker 1: She goes to the Heaviside layer. Oh, that's part, that's
Speaker 1: part of the show. Well, you know they have a
Speaker 1: side layer. Have you not seen I've never seen cats
Speaker 1: so funny, neither of I And more than anything else,
Speaker 1: it's a common you know, the jet, you know the idea,
Speaker 1: you know this, which is it's not really a storage,
Speaker 1: just the things in order. You fucking stand cats. I've
Speaker 1: just seen it once and it was like, oh, there's
Speaker 1: the things in order, and people come out to you
Speaker 1: like they should do it? Did you do it in
Speaker 1: three D? So they can do the I feel like
Speaker 1: that's the main thing people know about cats is that
Speaker 1: the cats can touch you. The wait what, I'm sorry? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't, I did not PT is nodding, confirming. So
Speaker 1: the main things about cats, as I explained cats, is
Speaker 1: the cats come through the audience and they climb all
Speaker 1: over you. That's number one thing about cats. Number two
Speaker 1: is yeah, I think so Number two is the dancing
Speaker 1: is too sexy for how it rum tum tugger is
Speaker 1: giving it to you. That those are the number one,
Speaker 1: number two, and then memory is three, and then I
Speaker 1: think someone and the goals. Yeah, the goal is to
Speaker 1: go to heaven. They want to be taken to the heaviside. LA,
Speaker 1: that's what Okay, that's heave a side there, that's what
Speaker 1: it is. Um. I was gonna say, Oh, we should
Speaker 1: also point out, I mean agreedious casting mistake for Patty
Speaker 1: Harrison and Mature hard to not be in it. I mean,
Speaker 1: especially watching the featurette to know that they could have
Speaker 1: had them in the future atte talking about it and
Speaker 1: they passed on that. It's crazy. And all I can
Speaker 1: say is the next musical shouldn't make the same mistake,
Speaker 1: because Bowen and I are now campaigning to be Flotsam
Speaker 1: and Jetsam in the film, and I would I feel
Speaker 1: that would be a moment most pleasing to me in
Speaker 1: my career to be able to portray. All we can
Speaker 1: share at this point with everybody is that. I mean,
Speaker 1: Matt sent a very farstical text to our team what
Speaker 1: I thought was a farstical text to our agents and
Speaker 1: our managers and Low and Beholder one of them. It
Speaker 1: was looked into. It was looked into, and we got
Speaker 1: like spicy, spicy details back. I mean, there's no there's
Speaker 1: there's no progress, but we we know more than the
Speaker 1: general public does. I would say that we know more
Speaker 1: than you. Yeah, you read read you the reader. You
Speaker 1: don't know what they're planning for the film, but suffice
Speaker 1: say that this is not going to be your your
Speaker 1: mom's Little Mermaid. Um, I think it's about I think
Speaker 1: it's not. I don't agree with it with the direction.
Speaker 1: We just say, OK, we just let's just say. Let's
Speaker 1: just say that Matt, just you're going up against Disney.
Speaker 1: Can you believe that you know what? We can't We
Speaker 1: can't say I can't say what because if I wasn't
Speaker 1: allowed back in the parks, that will be the end
Speaker 1: of my life. We're going in August. We're going in August.
Speaker 1: Let me think of how I feel like. This is
Speaker 1: a quandry that happens a lot. That's an interviewer people
Speaker 1: were theyre not allowed to about how when you heard
Speaker 1: about this development. What was the feeling you had? This
Speaker 1: is a great, thank you, this is a great I
Speaker 1: was disappointed. Yeah, disappointment. Disappointment was the feeling. I would
Speaker 1: say that the feeling was disappointment and also sort of
Speaker 1: um allure. I was like, well, well there's that. If
Speaker 1: that's true, then how do we have and here's sure.
Speaker 1: Here's what I think we're able to say. What the
Speaker 1: information we've been given is that there might not be
Speaker 1: an opportunity for us. Well, that's saying it. I don't
Speaker 1: think so do you know what that means? Well, at minimum,
Speaker 1: the assumption is those characters aren't in it. And that's
Speaker 1: what That's what the assumption is. I mean, look, all
Speaker 1: I'm saying is, look, let's just make a note of
Speaker 1: Lesley might have to take them. No, I actually love it,
Speaker 1: and we have to keep it in because guess what,
Speaker 1: No press is bad press. It's actually real Colt number
Speaker 1: fifty one. No press is bad press. Um bad. No,
Speaker 1: No press is bad press. No press is bad problem.
Speaker 1: I I was gonna say, um, but if if it's
Speaker 1: if it, if it means that you don't get you're
Speaker 1: not allowed back in the parks, then but well, at
Speaker 1: that point I'll just have I'll get like I'll get plastic.
Speaker 1: Is that worse than the fact that Disney will by
Speaker 1: well it's soon represent like two thirds of the entertainer.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, like the fact like we
Speaker 1: will keep running, everyone will keep running into this thing
Speaker 1: where they people in show base at least will not
Speaker 1: be able to talk disparagingly about Disney because they will
Speaker 1: be They will have some monopoly on everything. Here's what
Speaker 1: I think Disney knows better than anyone. No press is
Speaker 1: bad press. And I think the fact that we're talking
Speaker 1: about it this actually is building on the intrigue that
Speaker 1: is the little roomaid because I don't know, if you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of a lot of fascination about the
Speaker 1: casting of this movie. People are up in arms, people
Speaker 1: are intrigued. Yes, I was gonna say, because I was
Speaker 1: going to ask you, is it Is it good press
Speaker 1: for them or for both? Okay, and that's a relationship.
Speaker 1: Bowen Yang actually didn't know about Hallie Bailey. He didn't
Speaker 1: know the extent of Hallie Billy a arial. Oh. I
Speaker 1: just I just hadn't heard her sing before Beautiful. I've
Speaker 1: heard Chloe and Hailey songs. But I'm just like, oh yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're just like those two girls. I knew she was
Speaker 1: of the two. What happens to the had they split already? No?
Speaker 1: I think it like the Olsen Twins, where one doesn't
Speaker 1: want to be famous anymore. I don't like they both
Speaker 1: went up against it and they're like you are the
Speaker 1: more well. I hope that the way they're looking at
Speaker 1: it is a rising tide. Yes, Hey, guess who gets
Speaker 1: a lot more clicks now. And I'm just gonna say
Speaker 1: it may be a Dakota l narrative where the Dakota
Speaker 1: of the situation, the older one, Hallie Bailey is going
Speaker 1: to have her moment right now, and then l Fanning
Speaker 1: is going to be the one who isn't Super eight
Speaker 1: is in Super eight? And who the fund is she dating? Now?
Speaker 1: She's dating someone way old. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: keep up with that, Okay, Like I saw a picture
Speaker 1: of her and whoever she's dating, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this actually is hurtful to me. WHOA, what do you
Speaker 1: think of the Zack. I'm gonna find out what she's
Speaker 1: dating right now. We're going to discuss it. What do
Speaker 1: you think of the Zach Brath and the other person
Speaker 1: year old and he's or she's twenty three and he's
Speaker 1: forty four or something that that's weird to me. Yeah. Oh,
Speaker 1: her boyfriend is Max Manguela from Brown Maids Tale and
Speaker 1: Brown Face Social Network. Yeah yeah, yeah, he was broad.
Speaker 1: He was in Brown Face. Yeah, and he's much older
Speaker 1: than than Hush sure, Um, oh we should I want to.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry Hunter keeps creeping back into this. Hunter could
Speaker 1: have had Hunter address, We've inquired about, We've required a
Speaker 1: um just really quickly, Hunter tweeted, I think a Hunter
Speaker 1: broke the news to me that, Um, Chris Pratt wore
Speaker 1: fucking Gadsden snake shirt. Um, what's that? That? Don't tread
Speaker 1: on me? Snake. That's like Douglass like, like he's a
Speaker 1: bad guy. You know, he's he's out to me. Chris
Speaker 1: Pratt is out for being conservative. Uh, it's not just well,
Speaker 1: here's my thing with well, look for wronging Anna faris that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Was that the he was at his wedding. I feel
Speaker 1: like that felt like a thing of they had a
Speaker 1: certain power dynamic, and then he also got famous and
Speaker 1: they sort of couldn't figure out the timing of he
Speaker 1: had Like I think it's so hard when they're both
Speaker 1: famous people and you can't do it if they're both
Speaker 1: being in movies and traveling. I mean, it looks like
Speaker 1: a lot changed about them during their marriage. I mean
Speaker 1: he went from Chris Pratt like on Parks and rec
Speaker 1: to Chris Pratt. I'm the start of Guardians of the
Speaker 1: Galaxy and Jurassic World. You know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: he's a massive superstar, and that what bothers me about
Speaker 1: Chris Pratt is you're a massive superstar and someone calls
Speaker 1: you out rightfully. Queen Ellen Page calls you out and says, hey,
Speaker 1: you're involved with an anti gay church, which he is.
Speaker 1: And his response is the typical Republican bullshit of whoa, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: I'm not the enemy. Actually I love all people, which
Speaker 1: says nothing. Which is my difficulty right now with all
Speaker 1: Republicans across the board is like we like you. You're
Speaker 1: not talking to me, you're talking past me. And now
Speaker 1: it's like we're done. There's no common ground anymore. You
Speaker 1: you're standing behind the president who put kids in cages,
Speaker 1: and now he's saying that, you know, congresswomen have to
Speaker 1: go back to their country. It's like, I'm not in
Speaker 1: the place anymore where I can like tolerate this anymore.
Speaker 1: So for her to call you out in this way
Speaker 1: and then you pretend, j K laal, I love all people,
Speaker 1: It's like, no, no, no, you're a part of an
Speaker 1: anti gay organization. So answer for that. Actually, right now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he sucks and thank you Matt for that. Um whatever
Speaker 1: he is. Matt has been called that as a dalist
Speaker 1: celebrity democratic mouthpiece by some fucking random someone on Twitter
Speaker 1: said if Matt Rogers wasn't a de list celebrity with
Speaker 1: these democratic views, etcetera. And I was like, what, First
Speaker 1: of all, can I say? It is you and Cathy
Speaker 1: honestly huge for me? For you, that's not f It's
Speaker 1: not although who's there's cool? That would mean that you're
Speaker 1: like a C list or no, I'm deal list with you, baby,
Speaker 1: I'm dealist with that. You are cless. The two of
Speaker 1: us can't even get more than seven fucking minutes on
Speaker 1: good one. You believe that, like literally, like it's crazy.
Speaker 1: He wants us to host this Podma show. Oh yes,
Speaker 1: we didn't mention, but he doesn't want to give us
Speaker 1: more than seven point five. We didn't mention that. Jesse
Speaker 1: is also a fabulous producer of live shows. He produced
Speaker 1: the Padma Show, puts on a comedy show, Comedy Show
Speaker 1: happening again in August fifty another comedy show. So can
Speaker 1: you talk about how the heck did that come about?
Speaker 1: I Padma one day Padma follows a lot of people
Speaker 1: on Twitter. It was really strange. It was I saw
Speaker 1: it happening. I was like, she's following these comedians. Then
Speaker 1: she follows me. I was like, Padma's into because, like
Speaker 1: I understand following comedians on Twitter, they're funny. To follow
Speaker 1: me on Twitter, who is famously not funny. What are
Speaker 1: you talking about? It's like, it's funny, but not really.
Speaker 1: Stop this is the point of not turning me off.
Speaker 1: I don't want to tickle you anymore. I thought I
Speaker 1: was tickling. I was planning on revealing that I was
Speaker 1: going to tickle YouTube. Now I don't even want you
Speaker 1: in my room no less. So she follows me. I
Speaker 1: was like, she must be into comedy. Yeah, And then
Speaker 1: Lucy castuff happened. She tweets that stuff, and I was like,
Speaker 1: Padma's into comedy. And then I just was like, we
Speaker 1: should do it. I don't I didn't know. I was like,
Speaker 1: a comedy show should be done with Padma. I would
Speaker 1: like to raise money. I think I had heard of
Speaker 1: the organization that we had raised money for the first time,
Speaker 1: which was the Moving Voter Project. I was like, I
Speaker 1: want to raise money for that organization. And I DM Panma.
Speaker 1: I was like, look, it was a DM even that's all.
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, so I think I said sorry
Speaker 1: to d M you, but would you want to put
Speaker 1: on a comedy show? And she's like, let's yes, Let's
Speaker 1: have a phone call and we talked about and immediately
Speaker 1: she was like, yes, I would love to do this.
Speaker 1: God and she was like and then the media was like,
Speaker 1: and I will ask this person and she was like,
Speaker 1: I'll ask Chris and she started using a lot of
Speaker 1: people's first names. And I was like, this is very exciting,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, very but a very She was like, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: You know, she was lovely. She was a lovely and
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe how how specific, how present she was
Speaker 1: with the each individual person and how much he was like,
Speaker 1: this is so great that we're doing this. And then
Speaker 1: then that translated and you guys were so amazing as hosts.
Speaker 1: You're just so good. You're so like, you're so good,
Speaker 1: and the audience was like, this is safe and it's
Speaker 1: going to be so much fun, and it was like
Speaker 1: it was and it was like this is you know,
Speaker 1: I see so much so much comedy and I like
Speaker 1: a lot of it, but like what it was from
Speaker 1: the first This is the part of the podcast where
Speaker 1: I'm just in commment you guys for a while. But
Speaker 1: when I first when I first saw that, I don't
Speaker 1: think so honey five, which was now like two or
Speaker 1: three years ago, I didn't know what it was. I
Speaker 1: just saw a show had fifty comedians on the lineup.
Speaker 1: I go in and you and I was like, this
Speaker 1: is correct, this feels home. These are people that I
Speaker 1: know because it's it's the same thing like when I
Speaker 1: first met Hunter Harris, which was like, there's certain people
Speaker 1: like I've been a vulture for seven years, there's certain
Speaker 1: people that see culture the way that I do see
Speaker 1: the world via pop culture, the way I do and
Speaker 1: speak that way, and the way that you do with
Speaker 1: both sweetness while also being so talented, which is you
Speaker 1: were ready for the success that you guys have been getting,
Speaker 1: which is a thing that is very important that I
Speaker 1: try to tell comedians. It's like, it's good to try
Speaker 1: to get opportunities. We should be ready, and you guys
Speaker 1: were ready for so that and that energy brought to
Speaker 1: the show, and then we have so many great comedians
Speaker 1: of different styles, but it all made sense. And so
Speaker 1: after the first one, Patma I had a deep brief
Speaker 1: or whatever he talks like, did you have fun? She's like,
Speaker 1: that was so much fun. She did stand up like
Speaker 1: she wrote, she gave you jokes, she wrote them down
Speaker 1: like she and her and herself was shooting on Louis.
Speaker 1: I mean you have to remember that's a talented, talented,
Speaker 1: talented person. I mean she's done it all. Yeah and
Speaker 1: so and then so afterwards I was like, did you
Speaker 1: have fun? Just like guesses like would you like to
Speaker 1: do it again? Sometimes She's like definitely. And then I
Speaker 1: was just sort of waiting for a moment to do it.
Speaker 1: You want to have enough time so it feels like
Speaker 1: a special occasion. Um. And then after the the about
Speaker 1: Alabama abortion stuff, I sent her, I sent her to
Speaker 1: her and her team and email immediately be like, what
Speaker 1: Patna like to do another show this time to make
Speaker 1: raise money for reproductive justice? And she said yes immediately,
Speaker 1: Like that's been so great? Is that she's been so
Speaker 1: like I think dealing with famous people, you're nervous that
Speaker 1: a or like I'm being famous, don't treat me like
Speaker 1: and she's like, nowhere on the same team for what
Speaker 1: this thing is. And she's been so good to be like.
Speaker 1: And Jesse, he's this person that did it with like
Speaker 1: she's aware that this is there was an undertaking. And um,
Speaker 1: the fact that we're doing it again, which will be
Speaker 1: at the time this released, like you know, like a
Speaker 1: week or so. I'll just say right now, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be on August fift and that I can tell you
Speaker 1: the lineup. You can tell this is. There's some people pending,
Speaker 1: there's certain people will be surprises, some people are pending something.
Speaker 1: But the following are confirmed. Um At at the Bellhouse
Speaker 1: on August fifteenth, It's gonna be Julio Torres, roy Wood Jr.
Speaker 1: Chris Gethard, Mayeve Higgins, Michelle Butto On a Fabriga, Chloe Fyneman,
Speaker 1: Marie Fauston, Larry Owens, Pat Reagan, and Benito Skinner and
Speaker 1: Bowen Yang and I are going to host and podmel
Speaker 1: Action will be there as well, and David Fox will
Speaker 1: be flitting around. That's gone. I love I love going
Speaker 1: to events. I love putting on events and seeing pell
Speaker 1: have fun. It's like very Can I just say, first
Speaker 1: of all, let me just say Benito Skinner, okay, Benny Drama, Hey, bitch,
Speaker 1: I heard you listen to the show, and I see you, girl, bitch,
Speaker 1: you should come on to come on and read us
Speaker 1: for Filth's astrologically. I love that. I love that, And
Speaker 1: just just shoot the ship and shoot the sheet. Will
Speaker 1: meet you will meet them soon and then you'll get
Speaker 1: to ask him in person. Yeah, oh my god, perfectly.
Speaker 1: I think it's time we asked the questions. We got
Speaker 1: to ask the question. Um, and so this is the question.
Speaker 1: So the question that we asked on last Coultures, which
Speaker 1: is this podcast hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.
Speaker 1: I'm Mat, that's Bowen. We met many years, many years,
Speaker 1: became friends and started a podcast after doing other things,
Speaker 1: and you know, various amount of success, a lot of
Speaker 1: bumps in the road, a lot of bumps in the road,
Speaker 1: but mostly mostly mostly really great time. Like for I
Speaker 1: would say I enjoy every episode. Oh we're talking about
Speaker 1: the podcast. I was going to ask you guys, if
Speaker 1: you enjoy every episode. There's two I don't like so much.
Speaker 1: I know one I don't know. I don't know the
Speaker 1: other just too I don't like. Okay, but I add
Speaker 1: because doing a lot of podcasts, it's sometimes easy to
Speaker 1: forget you like doing it. Oh no, that's what I
Speaker 1: always say, is I still have fun doing that. I
Speaker 1: had a run where I was I forgot that I
Speaker 1: liked the show, that I really your own show. I
Speaker 1: was just sort of like I'm doing it. I was like,
Speaker 1: I want you to be good. And then I didn't think.
Speaker 1: It's like I like the comedians. I'm talking to listen
Speaker 1: to them and have fun, Like I literally, now have
Speaker 1: ago you like this person? Have fun? Listen to them talk. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you. One thing I don't love is the
Speaker 1: feeling of anxiety when I don't know the guests and
Speaker 1: I'm nervous about at you not not nervous and I
Speaker 1: don't think it's going to be a great episode. Nervous
Speaker 1: and that like I really respect the guests, like I
Speaker 1: really wanted to be good, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like we've had some people come in here liked came
Speaker 1: in here and the bad episodes. She came in full
Speaker 1: black Audie suit, face looking right, hair, vove click in
Speaker 1: her hand. She said, I thought there was going to
Speaker 1: be an audience. I said, oh my god, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: She goes, now, this is fine. We fucking shot the
Speaker 1: ship drank and had that episode done. Um. Anyway, No,
Speaker 1: that's that's interesting that you scary. This is this is
Speaker 1: this is a fun little comparison moment where yeah, I
Speaker 1: still yeah, I feel the same way you feel. Both
Speaker 1: of you feel about having the anxiety run our guests
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, having to like prime yourself for this
Speaker 1: thing of like I enjoyed doing this. I enjoyed this
Speaker 1: person I'm with. Let's just let let me just enjoy this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you okay, so just we are going to ask
Speaker 1: the question, but just while while we're while we're here,
Speaker 1: you have you deal with, legit, some of the most
Speaker 1: famous people, Yes, I mean you, Lee, Jimmy Fallon on
Speaker 1: your show, and you prepare the questions like what like
Speaker 1: what is the preparation process? Um I I for a
Speaker 1: while it was consuming every interview they've ever done. So
Speaker 1: um and within reason. If they are a certain level
Speaker 1: of a famous person who've lived in a lave where
Speaker 1: they have like a lot of podcast interviews, I can
Speaker 1: do so much. Or if they host this show, I
Speaker 1: can only do so much, but I'll try to consume
Speaker 1: every written thing they do. Um. So that and I'll
Speaker 1: ideally spend a week, and what I what I say
Speaker 1: is I try to fall in love with them and
Speaker 1: then ask questions to convey to the audience why I'm
Speaker 1: in love with M so. But then what has happened
Speaker 1: recently is I realize I'm getting better at pretty quickly
Speaker 1: getting a sense of what they're what I feel about
Speaker 1: them quicker. So I don't have to consume every single
Speaker 1: little thing, but I have to get enough that I
Speaker 1: know that feeling. I will consume all their work and definitely,
Speaker 1: but I don't need to consume all their interviews because
Speaker 1: you at first you just want to know what they
Speaker 1: how they like to talk about certain things. And the
Speaker 1: thing that I tried that I want to avoid is
Speaker 1: people have stories they fall into, not because there can
Speaker 1: just because if you talk about yourself, you don't have
Speaker 1: that many things to say. So you like said, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: what was this like? And then they go into their
Speaker 1: story about starting SNL. But if you what I try
Speaker 1: to do is asked, in my question, use their answer
Speaker 1: that they usually give, so I'll go like, oh, usually
Speaker 1: when you talk about starting at SNL, you say that
Speaker 1: this was scary. Then I asked a question that they've
Speaker 1: never been asked me. That's so once I figured out
Speaker 1: certain things that I tried to do and then like
Speaker 1: I have a goal of what I want to show
Speaker 1: to be like it's it's very written out and there's
Speaker 1: an arc that I'm trying to go. They don't know that,
Speaker 1: but I I am walking them monitor of their of
Speaker 1: their own hopefully where they discovered the thing about themselves
Speaker 1: that I have already realized about them, which is like
Speaker 1: the highest complment where certain comedians will be like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: I guess my whole career has been building. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a real master class from just see for
Speaker 1: who have you been? Like? So ged by Um Jesus
Speaker 1: and Marrow was most fun I had doing this show
Speaker 1: because I wasn't I knew their working I like them,
Speaker 1: but then I prepared a lot. But they were so
Speaker 1: good at being interviewed. One They're so funny and they
Speaker 1: talk so fast that I was like, we're getting through everything,
Speaker 1: where like Lonely Island, I'm obsessed with only Island Loland,
Speaker 1: I think to find so much of what I find funny.
Speaker 1: But it was almost too hard because I had so
Speaker 1: so many things I wanted to talk to them about.
Speaker 1: I had to talk to them. And also they had
Speaker 1: been aware of things that I've written about them, So
Speaker 1: at times a key would be like, you know, like
Speaker 1: the thing you wrote, I was like, I need you
Speaker 1: to talk about No, I can't reread a thing that
Speaker 1: I wrote. I mean there's I'm trying to think of
Speaker 1: who was actually nervous for I'm nervous live more than
Speaker 1: anything else. And because you just don't know be a
Speaker 1: was nervous Anthony Jessica because you don't know which Anthony
Speaker 1: jess Like you're gonna get, and he was, Uh. It
Speaker 1: was so fun because he was able to both be
Speaker 1: who he is off off mike or off stage or whatever,
Speaker 1: which is like very very sweet and he like so
Speaker 1: we would look at each other and it's very nice.
Speaker 1: But then when he would answer the question to be
Speaker 1: to the audience, and he would like slip in and out,
Speaker 1: and he's got a he's got a real old school
Speaker 1: performance persona. And that's something I feel like, I don't
Speaker 1: I think nowadays, in this era of stand up, in
Speaker 1: this era of comedy, I think you see really I
Speaker 1: think people are responding to people being who they are
Speaker 1: because the media is so like sensitive and everything we
Speaker 1: know who people are, but he feels to me like
Speaker 1: a throwback to like when I'm on stage, I am
Speaker 1: performing as Anthony Jesselnik, whereas like Anthony might be someone different,
Speaker 1: and now he's he's playing with slipping in and out.
Speaker 1: He has the story about someone asked him to be
Speaker 1: a sperm donor and then saying they didn't want him anymore,
Speaker 1: which he tells on stage where he's both like he
Speaker 1: gets to have this moment like of course all these
Speaker 1: women would, and then while also being like feeling how
Speaker 1: this persona deals with being turned down is really interesting.
Speaker 1: Um he I'm I'm trying to think of who I
Speaker 1: just want to make sure I get. I don't want
Speaker 1: to not say people that I was gagged for. Katherine Cohen, Yes,
Speaker 1: well she The thing about Katherine is she's like a
Speaker 1: fifteen minute girl right now in her career. She's like
Speaker 1: a fifteen minute grow whereas like me and Bowen together
Speaker 1: were Katherine being c list firmly, yes, she gets fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: Let it be quoted that Matt Roger was called his
Speaker 1: very good friend and she was huge kidding. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying I am so thrilled to be Dealist I'm I'm
Speaker 1: thrilled to be d as well. If you are C list,
Speaker 1: you've been on sn L. It's a compliment to be
Speaker 1: on the list, to be on the on the list,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I imagine as kids you were like,
Speaker 1: I wish I could be on the list anyway. Um,
Speaker 1: I want to finally ask I forget bow and take
Speaker 1: it away. Beach j was a man recording a new
Speaker 1: little um, you know, new little, new little What is
Speaker 1: it like a pet name? No be stupa beach STI
Speaker 1: and you say it fast and it sounds like a
Speaker 1: super Jesse. What was the culture that made you say?
Speaker 1: Culture is for me? Ah? The question that you ask.
Speaker 1: So when I first heard the podcast forever, I knew
Speaker 1: what I thought. My answer was going, Okay, when did
Speaker 1: you think there's gonna be to us? Which was it
Speaker 1: was gonna be this? It was I thought it's gonna
Speaker 1: be the Simpsons. I was gonna be like, oh, I know,
Speaker 1: I knew I would say that so and I considered
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, but then Brendan's canal said, Michael Jordan, can
Speaker 1: you that Brendan Snell coming at you with the Chicago
Speaker 1: Bulls moment? But then I remembered, Um, so we will
Speaker 1: tell me if this is too broad and I can
Speaker 1: get more specific. But I realized the answer is, uh
Speaker 1: MTV and early and specifically music videos first, my earlier
Speaker 1: So many of my earliest memories were music videos, and
Speaker 1: talk about some of the iconic ones that formed you. Sure,
Speaker 1: so I will tell the one that I think of
Speaker 1: first is I must have been younger than five, because
Speaker 1: it's the eighties. Do you know the video for Call
Speaker 1: Me Out? The Paul Simon video was him and Chevy Chase.
Speaker 1: I don't know the video you will really well, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you like it. It It again, might be straight,
Speaker 1: but so essentially I like stuff. So here, so they're
Speaker 1: singing the song, so it's him and Chevy Chevy and
Speaker 1: they're sitting and then Chevy sings the song as and
Speaker 1: Paul Simon just sort of sits as yes. So it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: look at adults being silly. That's fun. So that's that's
Speaker 1: an early one. But then the memory that I was
Speaker 1: like this is exactly what the question is is. I
Speaker 1: remember one day, Oh, I love this. It's and um,
Speaker 1: I was home all day. My dad comes home and goes,
Speaker 1: what did you do today and I go MTV played
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson's Free Willie video seven times and Janet Jackson's
Speaker 1: video for um That's Why It Love Goes five times.
Speaker 1: That was my answer for what I did today was
Speaker 1: not I don't even it was the cult are you consume?
Speaker 1: It's it was just sort of like I knew with
Speaker 1: the culture. I was sort of hop star Jackson culture.
Speaker 1: I was. And it's not even like I like Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson or Janet Jackson particularly that much at the time.
Speaker 1: It was literally like I was just interested in empty
Speaker 1: these programming and I feel like that is a thing
Speaker 1: that was my career for forever, which is sort of
Speaker 1: like I was always interested in the entertainment industry as
Speaker 1: an industry. I feel like I always love behind music.
Speaker 1: I love love behind the music. I just sort of
Speaker 1: like that. I was like, oh, someone was like oh,
Speaker 1: I was like, Michael Jackson is really popular right now,
Speaker 1: and that is that. I was like, that is the moment.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is the thing that is this is
Speaker 1: the me wow. Because what's interesting is in that moment
Speaker 1: you were bundling, you were making whatever, like a narrative
Speaker 1: out of like the culture. You consumed that day. You're like, well,
Speaker 1: this is the way to sum it up, and here
Speaker 1: you go, and it was a full day. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is what I did. I watched these things and
Speaker 1: it was like and you kept track and like, I
Speaker 1: just I remember so distinctly. I do not remember my
Speaker 1: dad's response. I just sort of like I just be like,
Speaker 1: this is what I did, and I think and then
Speaker 1: just thinking about it, I was like, oh, this music video.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I remember the freedom video. Freedom video.
Speaker 1: I remember the video for um read a Rate Runaway Trained.
Speaker 1: You know that song it's It's I can't remember the
Speaker 1: name of the band, but it was a song about
Speaker 1: kids being stolen. And I was like six when that
Speaker 1: song came out, and I was like, this is a
Speaker 1: very scary video to me. Do you remember all the
Speaker 1: words to all those songs? No, I have no memory
Speaker 1: of anything. I mean I was curious because those songs
Speaker 1: from like when I was like five to ten are
Speaker 1: in there forever. Like you know that song Janet Jackson
Speaker 1: Together Again. That was like such a huge and I
Speaker 1: remember the video like I just remember that song can
Speaker 1: come on now. I could sing every single word, like
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. Maybe it's because when
Speaker 1: your brain is not like of chaotic mess like it
Speaker 1: is now. But like that time of like I just
Speaker 1: remember watching all those music videos and like soaking up
Speaker 1: every single word and image, and I remember the Top
Speaker 1: twenty countdowns, like or I guess that was the VH
Speaker 1: one version. I was only allowed to watch VH one.
Speaker 1: I couldn't watch MTV, but of course they had TRL
Speaker 1: and like I remember like every single thing, needing to
Speaker 1: know what was number one? Why were not allowed to
Speaker 1: watch MTV? Or you're just like sexy? We're like you're
Speaker 1: like you can watch Jason Mraz. Well that was a
Speaker 1: little that was like a little bit later. That's actually
Speaker 1: number seventies seven Jason ras artists. Actually it's of the time.
Speaker 1: It's New York back back one. Now Tiffany New York
Speaker 1: Pollard is the defining artists. I have to talk about
Speaker 1: what I was just going to say. At that time,
Speaker 1: it was like like v H one was like, it's
Speaker 1: funny that my mom was like, you can't watch MTV.
Speaker 1: It's too sexy, because VH one was also very sexual.
Speaker 1: It was just some more adult like sensuality. So my
Speaker 1: ship was like I remember watching like Shania Twain You're
Speaker 1: Still the one music video. It was like close ups
Speaker 1: of her like like um sepia tone, like lips, like singing,
Speaker 1: and it was just like draped in like a blanket
Speaker 1: and her like like very manly, sort of not MTV
Speaker 1: hot but VH one hot love and just kind of
Speaker 1: slowly walking towards her and like holding her and like
Speaker 1: they were smelling each other. And I'm like, this is
Speaker 1: actually sex, whereas MTV is like, wow, that that that's
Speaker 1: how that's some forty on that famously sexual. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: but that song fucking the word abortion in it and
Speaker 1: just blew everyone's minds at the time. At the time,
Speaker 1: everyone's minds are the abortion, and you know we haven't
Speaker 1: gotten better. Um wait, hold on, ray Sonny just pointed
Speaker 1: out something about remember like just the Surreal Life franchise
Speaker 1: ending at Megan Wants a Millionaire because because one of
Speaker 1: the contestants who makes it to the final two or
Speaker 1: three murdered his girlfriends. But then like but then that
Speaker 1: like it had a butterfly fact out, um for something.
Speaker 1: Hold on, I just um, I need to look this
Speaker 1: up and then we can come Well, the thing about
Speaker 1: those contestants is they're not well, um right, but like
Speaker 1: and they still do it. But I'm saying, like the
Speaker 1: there's some something about like the TV landscape now has
Speaker 1: been directly like was it was a direct result of
Speaker 1: the surreal life and I love money and like those
Speaker 1: shows being completely wiped away from those producers that like
Speaker 1: family of shows were you did you watch Joe Millionaire?
Speaker 1: You guys? Yeah? How the fact that that was a
Speaker 1: sensation is the weirdest part, not only that it was
Speaker 1: dumb that it existed and also not for nothing, but
Speaker 1: he was such a dud and the final two girls
Speaker 1: Zora and I forgot the other one's name is one
Speaker 1: million our season one they were such dud. Everyone on
Speaker 1: the show was such a dun And then you were like,
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for Zora and it's like she was nothing
Speaker 1: and he was nothing. I mean, he was like only hot.
Speaker 1: It's also weird that winning meant losing, winning meant truly
Speaker 1: like I'll never forget that show was Psycho Dude, do
Speaker 1: you watch season two? I didn't see, oh Europe because
Speaker 1: they couldn't have done it again. They did it in
Speaker 1: Europe where he is this like and I thought he
Speaker 1: was hotter um they're also they're also but no season two.
Speaker 1: It's just it's this fucking guy from like Plano, Texas.
Speaker 1: He was like a cowboy. I think because they couldn't
Speaker 1: do it again in America because then people people were like,
Speaker 1: you know, I saw I assumed it was gonna be
Speaker 1: European famous. They're like, you know, he's an American brig.
Speaker 1: They're like, they're like, oh, he's a cowboy, like like
Speaker 1: it was that he is cowboy and I want to
Speaker 1: marry rich cowboy. It's montreal m. I want to marry Mary.
Speaker 1: You know what? What I brought up at work the
Speaker 1: other day was sucking Mr Personality I hosted by I
Speaker 1: Can't Forget, You can't forget. That was that was the
Speaker 1: one where they wore masks. The men were masks and
Speaker 1: she could only pick the winner based on who whose
Speaker 1: personality she liked best. And then afterwards, when they get eliminated,
Speaker 1: they take the masks off and some of them are hot. Yes,
Speaker 1: remember I guess some of them right right right right
Speaker 1: from the tradition. And Monica was the host and she
Speaker 1: was like it's hard, right, She was like, it's really
Speaker 1: hard to do this but this was like two thousand
Speaker 1: one or two thousand two, like pretty like close proximity
Speaker 1: to like the fucking Lewinsky. And I can think about
Speaker 1: that fact that at that point she is not like
Speaker 1: a celebrity celebrity thrown her hair out, she grown her
Speaker 1: hair up. But it's like it's like for her to
Speaker 1: be like, I guess I'll go back into the spotlight
Speaker 1: like four years, four or five years after I was
Speaker 1: humiliated internationally. Well she couldn't get I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: the Track's another part of the trag that she has
Speaker 1: to do the things that she does to survive. Like
Speaker 1: I only think now we are a culture already to
Speaker 1: say like maybe we were full monster Monica Lewinsky, who
Speaker 1: was a complete victim in every regard and was preyed
Speaker 1: upon by President William Jefferson Clinton, who, if he has
Speaker 1: anything to do with this Epstein stuff, should go to prison.
Speaker 1: And that should be said me Matt Rogers, Democrats dect
Speaker 1: mouthpiece political voice who says Bill Clinton should go to
Speaker 1: prison if he slept with the woman he the young know,
Speaker 1: the girl he was pictured with on Jeffrey Epstein's private plane,
Speaker 1: which is a thing looking up what do you at at?
Speaker 1: What do you remember from the Bill Clinton? I had
Speaker 1: some like I knew was happening. I remember seeing her
Speaker 1: on the cover of every magazine with the words like fully,
Speaker 1: like whore. I remember like the way that they painted Hillary.
Speaker 1: I remember very little it actually being about him. I
Speaker 1: remember it being about women, women, and and the cat
Speaker 1: fight narrative and the Hillary throws Bill out? Or is
Speaker 1: Hillary doing the wrong thing by standing by her? Man
Speaker 1: fuck her? Like none of them could win. Monica Lewinsky's
Speaker 1: life was ruined at twenty four, and it took a
Speaker 1: long time for even the most I guess like liberal
Speaker 1: or woke people to come around and say, hey, we
Speaker 1: have to reassess this Monica stuff. And she even is
Speaker 1: so scarred from it that she says it's the whole
Speaker 1: feminism thing now is difficult for her because no one
Speaker 1: had her back. Well, there was in did you listen
Speaker 1: to slow Burn? Either you? So that there uh to
Speaker 1: speak upon the feminist opinion of the nineties. They spend
Speaker 1: an episode on it. I really recommend listening to it
Speaker 1: because it is the best episode of that season, and
Speaker 1: there was a discourse. I think there's like they talked
Speaker 1: about a roundtable at the Observer that had a lot
Speaker 1: of feminist people, and there they were talking about it
Speaker 1: was at a time where they're like, well, she has
Speaker 1: an agency, we don't want to treat her like she's
Speaker 1: a victim. This is just what they were saying at
Speaker 1: the time. This is what at the time. This one
Speaker 1: thing that was told me from a podcast. I do
Speaker 1: not want to assert I have an opinion about that,
Speaker 1: but so U but that that was a narrative that
Speaker 1: was very publicly done. And also at the time, Bill
Speaker 1: was one of the more publicly feminist cause adjacent presidents
Speaker 1: that we had. He was very hardline on pro choice.
Speaker 1: He much show like and he would not budge. He
Speaker 1: budged on famously everything but that he would not And
Speaker 1: I think that is partly what made it harder. It's
Speaker 1: easier now from the distance of like, oh, would that
Speaker 1: already happen? Um, But also that's because that was the
Speaker 1: discourse that people wanted to have, because you probably had
Speaker 1: male editors of newspapers and magazines like, let's find us
Speaker 1: the feminist who think that Bill Glynn is okay, like,
Speaker 1: because that's interesting. It's not interesting if there's women who
Speaker 1: also think that this was terrible and no, now in retrospect,
Speaker 1: you're like, all of this was fucked and we were
Speaker 1: too young to be complicit. But everyone else, well, I
Speaker 1: think it was an interesting moment because it was like
Speaker 1: I think some people felt like, we have to go
Speaker 1: to Hillary side, we have to like and they thought
Speaker 1: that they were on the right side of it, but
Speaker 1: then in doing that they were like anti Monica when
Speaker 1: really what you had was you had a man who
Speaker 1: was ruining the lives of everyone around him. And it
Speaker 1: was just like we weren't at the moment culturally to
Speaker 1: be able to say, like, no, fuck him, fuck him,
Speaker 1: fuck him, fuck him because he's a predator, Like like
Speaker 1: what is that instinct to be protective of? Like, I
Speaker 1: don't know. At the time, I think it was party politics,
Speaker 1: and I think it was deep, deep, deep deep sexism.
Speaker 1: And I think we also it was like a big
Speaker 1: moment for blow jobs, right, So like for me it
Speaker 1: was people didn't think it was said for me it was.
Speaker 1: It was just sort of like, I mean, I brought
Speaker 1: blow jobs into the lexicon for sure. I gotta say
Speaker 1: that taught me what come was? Keeping tell me what
Speaker 1: come was? I thought, can I say what I thought
Speaker 1: come was. I thought come was when you got too
Speaker 1: sexually decided you threw up white I thought that was
Speaker 1: come from your mouth. From your mouth, I thought when
Speaker 1: you got too worked up. And then I was just
Speaker 1: afraid because I hate throwing up. I really like it,
Speaker 1: just a little pump or two of white stuff. Literally.
Speaker 1: Someone said, it's when you get too excited and white
Speaker 1: stuff comes out of your mouth. This is like fifth grade,
Speaker 1: fourth grade, fifth grade. That is like logic. That's like
Speaker 1: a like a comedy writers. You're like writing a kid
Speaker 1: and then something being like we can beat that. Like
Speaker 1: that's like a really first thought, stupid fucking thing. It's
Speaker 1: not for a kid to say, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They think com is throwing up. Nah nah, that would
Speaker 1: never happen. Um. Wow, getting hot and political up in here. Um.
Speaker 1: But it's actually is time to do a segment, another
Speaker 1: segment we have Jesse. You know, well, I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: I can't find this race Sunny tweet. Okay, anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: just going to race Sonny's Twitter fucking gold mine. It's
Speaker 1: we take one minute to go off on something in culture,
Speaker 1: and I have a good one. I have got a
Speaker 1: good one too, But yeah, I will let you go.
Speaker 1: Uh this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: As time starts now, I don't think so honey. People
Speaker 1: sleeping on real Housewives of Potomac. Housewives of Potomac is
Speaker 1: up there. The girls are doing their job. Barren Ashley bitch,
Speaker 1: bitch keep. Karen Hugo is an icon the Grand the
Speaker 1: Grand Dom. Also, Giselle Bryant is doing things that Waitfield
Speaker 1: only dreams she could do. You really want to see
Speaker 1: who the bone collector is. It is just she will
Speaker 1: come in there and start it up. Also fucking gorgeous, Okay, drama,
Speaker 1: that is it? Gay panic? Yes? But am I on board? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: I do think so, honey. I don't think so honey,
Speaker 1: gay panic. I do think so honey. The drama going
Speaker 1: on with Ashley's husband who be sucking dick and be
Speaker 1: grabbing the asses of cameraman who worked on the show.
Speaker 1: I love it when it gets meta. Okay gets broken,
Speaker 1: my god, the pregnant one serving the truth. We love
Speaker 1: this crazy one, Candice. They're all firing on different cylinders.
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills is asleep Potomac and that's one minute. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much, thank you for that public service. For myself,
Speaker 1: it's actually real culture number three. I myself, I have
Speaker 1: not watched it, but I went to school with a
Speaker 1: lot of people from Potomac, Maryland, and it's a very
Speaker 1: different perception of what it is than this. It is
Speaker 1: the franchise. Well, I think this is the season that
Speaker 1: it's broken through and the big voice and people and
Speaker 1: the charming thing about it is and it's been this
Speaker 1: way the whole time is that it's like, um, they're
Speaker 1: excessively wealthy. They're poor, like they're poorer than the other house. Interesting,
Speaker 1: and so they'll do like it'll be like a dinner party,
Speaker 1: where whereas like it'll be in Beverly Hills would be
Speaker 1: like in some giant fucking backyard. And the thing is
Speaker 1: they rely on that because they don't have the real drama, right,
Speaker 1: So in Potomac, it's like someone's having a dinner party.
Speaker 1: It's like a fucking townhouse, truly, nothing on the walls,
Speaker 1: just like on upholstered chair, like you know. I mean
Speaker 1: the last episode of Potomac, which was fire, the drama
Speaker 1: completely happened at like a wooden table. They were having
Speaker 1: like a barbecue, and I was like, this is it,
Speaker 1: but this actually isn't. You don't need the set dressing.
Speaker 1: You do not because they give it to you down
Speaker 1: and honestly, honestly, it's great. It is so much better
Speaker 1: than watching whatever the fuck Dorite is wearing and then
Speaker 1: talking about vander pump dogs for the millionth time. Get out,
Speaker 1: Who's who's the young one who just got married? Um? Yes,
Speaker 1: fucking I mean they're all gorge. Janique the one is pregnant,
Speaker 1: not the one who just got married. Um she she
Speaker 1: got in a fight with Giselle. Anyway, she could it
Speaker 1: be Candice Candice? No, because honestly that it's Candice. Candice
Speaker 1: is truly a stunning like Helen of Troy Beauty. Well,
Speaker 1: they're all fucking gorge. First of all, Giselle needs to
Speaker 1: be a household name Giselle. Giselle Bryant must be a household.
Speaker 1: I can't really make the comparison. I don't really watch
Speaker 1: it Landa that much, but like, I feel like Giselle
Speaker 1: is doing what Eva wish, Like Gill reminds me a
Speaker 1: lot of Eva wishes. That's what I'm saying, right, It's
Speaker 1: actually a real culture number fifty four wishes anyway, thank
Speaker 1: you for that so much. And one more thing, one
Speaker 1: more thing. There's a friend of on the show. Her
Speaker 1: name is Katie. Katie Katie is something else the way
Speaker 1: I just are. I just want to see these names.
Speaker 1: I mean because because because another franchise of another Cities,
Speaker 1: you get those fucking patrician whatever names Derenda, deret whatever, like, well,
Speaker 1: don't come for Dorenda. I'm not saying. I'm saying the
Speaker 1: names are like so like exotic and like wealthy, wealthy,
Speaker 1: like you know, you've got like a house, you've got
Speaker 1: Habsburg in your blood or whatever this is. These are
Speaker 1: women with average asked names. Katie Ashley fucking care actually
Speaker 1: is in some hot water too, because I'm sorry, but
Speaker 1: her husband, it's all I mean, I mean, he's get
Speaker 1: her husband is get guy, Britty Murphy. Um, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for that. I got. This is a pubic pobas.
Speaker 1: What am I gonna do sit here? Because I have
Speaker 1: a hard time like devoting that much of my media
Speaker 1: diet to Bravo. My god, every energy, every ounce of
Speaker 1: energy that you were spending on Beverly Hills, you gotta
Speaker 1: just take it honestly, send a message, send Yang, send
Speaker 1: a message to Andy Cohen. I would say, I'm not
Speaker 1: down with this. I'm not down with this. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't really want Beverly Hills. Um uh. Potomac is
Speaker 1: doing it. Potomac patomic down. Okay, all right? I think
Speaker 1: I had to do with the city. I'm like, how
Speaker 1: gonna be good? It's Potomac. Like, it's not d C Atlanta.
Speaker 1: It's like it's because they had d C already and
Speaker 1: they were like, we need to differentiate this Potomac and
Speaker 1: let's make it mostly black. It's on fire. It's so good.
Speaker 1: Is there money DC money or they just sort of
Speaker 1: like they're I think like they some are wealthier than
Speaker 1: others and they and like, yeah, it's it's it's just
Speaker 1: that there's not not opulence, but it's not relying on opulation.
Speaker 1: Chase Arlington whatever, here's Boone yangs. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: And this time starts now, I don't think so, honey. Screeners, bitch,
Speaker 1: screeners that come in the fucking mail. No, I had
Speaker 1: dump that should. I had to individually take the discs out,
Speaker 1: recycle those separately, then break down the boxes that came in.
Speaker 1: Then break down the cases that they would come in. Bitch,
Speaker 1: Send a fucking link. Who cares if they get shared
Speaker 1: and passed around. Send a link for the screeners in
Speaker 1: the future. Do not ever send me a physical screener
Speaker 1: ever for anything SAG related, Television Academy related. Bitch, This
Speaker 1: Emmy season was egregious and all you have destroyed. You've
Speaker 1: basically caused him with the wildfire. You've basically caused another wildfire,
Speaker 1: Hollywood for this screener. Culture is listening. I don't see.
Speaker 1: I don't watch Beverly Hills. I don't I don't care. Um,
Speaker 1: I wish you Beverly Hills. Yes, okay, screeners, this is
Speaker 1: just my down't think so many about just doing a link.
Speaker 1: Everyone's gonna pass it around anyway. You're not. The industry
Speaker 1: is not gonna hemorrhage money from you. Giving up these
Speaker 1: screeners is actually probably gonna make money, honey, because I
Speaker 1: don't think so many of these screeners. I want to
Speaker 1: watch it on a computer screen and that's one minute.
Speaker 1: Are you an Emmy voter? Yes, I had to sign
Speaker 1: up for the Academy. I had no no, no no, they
Speaker 1: just they just sent a memo out at work in
Speaker 1: like February, and you were like, sign up up. Honestly,
Speaker 1: let's just do links old people. It's climate change people.
Speaker 1: Literally only for old people, because young people are the
Speaker 1: only young people watch all the shows. Old people. You
Speaker 1: have to shake them to watch anything. But let me
Speaker 1: get Eric swallwell on on these bitches and set the
Speaker 1: torch past the torch. Someone has to be nominating Kamitsky method,
Speaker 1: so Netflix gotta make up physical screener and deliver it
Speaker 1: by hand. Actually, if you if you try to stream
Speaker 1: Kaminski you get eat. Unfortunately, catch through the cast. That
Speaker 1: was good bo Thanks, I mean I environmentally conscious. I
Speaker 1: you know, spun my wheels a bit at the end,
Speaker 1: but thank you. I'm getting back into the groove I've had.
Speaker 1: I've had a weird journey with I T S H
Speaker 1: where I'm like, I don't really like the last one
Speaker 1: I heard. You just told a story at a nice pace.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Sometimes with Bowen, it's a story. Sometimes sometimes Um, okay,
Speaker 1: this is Jesse David Foxes. I don't think Wow, this
Speaker 1: is Jesse. David Fox has been invited to do I
Speaker 1: Don't Think so Honey Live many times and he has said,
Speaker 1: can we can we can we share the thing that
Speaker 1: you pitched us when we asked you to do a
Speaker 1: live show and you're like, oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, Jesse.
Speaker 1: We were like, Jesse, you would be great, Please do it.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, and he goes, I don't
Speaker 1: want to go on. I don't want to perform. How
Speaker 1: about I get someone another comedian to dress up as me,
Speaker 1: and you guys call him up and it's clearly like,
Speaker 1: you know, Joe Flyerstone or someone, and we said, no,
Speaker 1: it needs to be you, it must be you, and
Speaker 1: the offer still on the table. Sure, so I was
Speaker 1: considering you the last one, but it was on passover.
Speaker 1: The next one is on September one at the Bellhouse
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn. We'll see how this I guess. We'll see
Speaker 1: how this one goes. This is Jesse David Foxes. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. He's shaking his wrist and its
Speaker 1: time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Collie Flower,
Speaker 1: So you signed with Brussel Spouts agent and you think
Speaker 1: you could be in everything? Why because you're white? I
Speaker 1: don't believe it's not just that you're white. Is that
Speaker 1: what's supposedly good about you is that you're white and
Speaker 1: bland and readily available. Your every male character in Big
Speaker 1: Little Eyes Season two take that, but but but but
Speaker 1: operhaps cauliflower pizza. Yeah, oper isn't eating that ship. Opera
Speaker 1: only starts selling cauliflower pizza because support people's own thing
Speaker 1: left that makes her feel lived silently, I'd rather be
Speaker 1: dead than eat a cauliflower crust. Fried rice has been
Speaker 1: around to the fucking Swede dynasty. Are really supposed to
Speaker 1: believe that fried right would beat wouldn't meet the exacting
Speaker 1: standards of emperor when oh pan during Sure they're still
Speaker 1: an egonant, but you do not want to know where
Speaker 1: it's been. Oh look, I get it. It's hard living
Speaker 1: in broccoli shadow just getting the boy. She turns down.
Speaker 1: But this is not your time, Glenn cost You will
Speaker 1: never be broccoli just because you look like broccoli, and
Speaker 1: black and white cauliflower is broccoli and Pleasantville before Joana
Speaker 1: Owen masturbates in the bath, col broccoli for people have
Speaker 1: never come. And I don't think so, honey, for people
Speaker 1: who have never come, that is real Coachure number eight.
Speaker 1: Coliflower is broccoli for people who have never come and
Speaker 1: thank you for bringing rice and the and you were
Speaker 1: hinting at the appropriation of the culture. So it's like,
Speaker 1: you will never be glamoured, you will never be roily,
Speaker 1: you will never being considered my culture. That made me
Speaker 1: think culture was broccoli. Broccoli was like, this is the
Speaker 1: thing that I like, and I want broccoli everywhere. That well,
Speaker 1: I think all kids have a relationship with broccoli. That's rocky.
Speaker 1: But he but he's dressed, he saying he loved I
Speaker 1: will say, actually, we're supposed to unpack that. But we
Speaker 1: talked about Monica instead. I had that on my list.
Speaker 1: Here broccoli, it said broccoli. Fifteen minutes we ran and
Speaker 1: we did Monica. But I want to if you have Celiaca,
Speaker 1: I apologizing. Can do whatever you want. I don't. I
Speaker 1: can eat whatever I like, you know, every now and then.
Speaker 1: I do like a little a cauliflower grain grain, grained rice, cauliflower.
Speaker 1: But it's very controversial. The grain can unity. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: go to grain. Twitter is gonna really come for you,
Speaker 1: green Twitter, and I will be a legend of grain Twitter.
Speaker 1: You will, you will really huge. A huge thing right
Speaker 1: now was buffalo cauliflower. Buffalo cauliflower. You can see it.
Speaker 1: And what do you think it is? A buffalo fan?
Speaker 1: I think absolutely absolutely, Ali fucking yeah. You just like
Speaker 1: the sauce anything, Doustin hot sauces anything, It's nothing. It
Speaker 1: literally is califollowers there to feel like space in your mouth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you can't drink sauce. No, well, disgree, I don't
Speaker 1: even believe it. You definitely can drink suffing. And on that,
Speaker 1: on that thought, it might be time to wrap up
Speaker 1: this episode of Loss Cultures doesn't. But here's the thing,
Speaker 1: Jesse David Fox, this was so fun, this was I
Speaker 1: think this was a very superlative episode. I would even
Speaker 1: say I think I think we really like we all
Speaker 1: sounded very smart. Well, and there's nothing smarter to then
Speaker 1: we all sound very smart. Yeah, that's what smart people
Speaker 1: say smart right now. Of course, the tea was spilled,
Speaker 1: culture was revealed, culture new and old. We talked about
Speaker 1: things as current as real hostives of Potomac and as
Speaker 1: relics of the past as the Sway Dynasty, and of course,
Speaker 1: right in between those two things was the Lewins. And
Speaker 1: now we close every episode of this song. But is
Speaker 1: there anything that you would want to say to the fans,
Speaker 1: to the listeners, to the readers, UM, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for listening to this whole thing. I love so much.
Speaker 1: I love you truly. I was like, I want to
Speaker 1: do this so I can hang out with you guys.
Speaker 1: And this was fun, and you can. We're all gonna
Speaker 1: hang out together again in August fifteen, which is Podma
Speaker 1: has a comedy show again at the Bellhouse, and you should,
Speaker 1: of course listen to the good but no sooner. We
Speaker 1: won't hang on any sooner until then. UM, I know
Speaker 1: just what to say, Nethering, what different? Okay? Do it?
Speaker 1: Do it? New Yorky, Netherel, Why aren't you do? Because
Speaker 1: I'm going to come in? I don't even I don't
Speaker 1: know the words, Mamory Mary? Can I can I say
Speaker 1: another one that I thought we were going to sing? Now? Can?
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