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Speaker 1: We're back with Clay Croft from x Overland, which is

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Speaker 1: a company that makes media around overlanding. We were with

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Speaker 1: him the last episode. Great episode. I learned maybe more

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Speaker 1: than I've learned on any gear Talk episode so far

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Speaker 1: as talking to Clay about how to get rigs unstuck

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Speaker 1: and how not to get him stuck. I gotta say, Clay,

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Speaker 1: I've told at least a half dozen people since we

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Speaker 1: chatted to never ever hook up to the ball to

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Speaker 1: pull somebody out. I mean, that's I think I've had

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Speaker 1: a dream about a ball flying through the windshield and

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Speaker 1: taken me out. Like that's scary stuff.

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Speaker 2: Right on. If there was one takeaway, that's one of

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Speaker 2: the better ones, for sure. You know it's so calm.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So but we're just today we're gonna talk car camping,

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Speaker 1: car camping gear, how to do it in comfort, how

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Speaker 1: to do it right. But before I want you to

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Speaker 1: explain to people. You were just telling us how you're

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Speaker 1: trying to pack on some pounds because you're going on

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Speaker 1: a crazy expedition to Africa. Yeah, Southern Africa, and you've

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Speaker 1: been there and you're kind of expecting possibly having some

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Speaker 1: times of food scarcity.

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Speaker 2: Possibly, Yeah, there's Uh, it's funny when you go talk

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Speaker 2: to all the guides and they start telling you all

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Speaker 2: these different stories. And we're going to be in some

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Speaker 2: very remote locations for periods of time. So also, I'm

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Speaker 2: a picky eater. I wish I wasn't. I just wish

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Speaker 2: I was. I wish I could eat anything. I'm just

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Speaker 2: not that way. So I'll probably uh not eat as

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Speaker 2: much because I have spent time over there before, I've

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Speaker 2: spent months there before, and like I can get a

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Speaker 2: little you know, after so much post show and sardines,

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Speaker 2: I can't eat too much more. So yeah, put, I'm

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Speaker 2: just making it my excuse to put on a little

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Speaker 3: Okay, are you camping?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll be in our expedition trucks for the

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Speaker 2: next sixty days as soon as we show up.

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Speaker 3: How'd you get them over there?

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Speaker 2: We shipped them in containers from New Jersey to Durban,

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Speaker 2: South Africa.

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Speaker 3: Dang.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they've been on the water right now for forty

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Speaker 2: five days. They're just about to get there.

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Speaker 3: That's nuts.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: And so I would to just thought that you guys

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Speaker 1: would have packed a crate of peak refuel and mountain

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Speaker 2: We did, and yeah, we do have some we have

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Speaker 2: we have some backups. We have some staples in there

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Speaker 2: like dehydrated just basic dehydrated sausage, basic dehydrated you know, beef, eggs,

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Speaker 2: powdered milk, things like that, so that if you can't

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Speaker 2: find them, you can make them and that can help

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Speaker 2: round out your menus when you're in pretty remote scarce areas.

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Speaker 2: But we'll be eaten like the locals do for a

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Speaker 2: lot of it. That's cool.

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Speaker 1: So you must have someone on the ground then that's

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Speaker 1: in places where you're going to be fed and sheltered

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be camping primarily, so I anticipate over the

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Speaker 2: next sixty days it will probably be in some sort

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Speaker 2: great to stop in once you've been living out of trucks.

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Speaker 2: You need a shower, you need to reset, you need

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Speaker 2: more groceries, you need a day in town. Just like

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Speaker 2: any other big kind of trip world you got to

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Speaker 2: go get reset. Sure, but yeah, we'll be living off

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Speaker 1: But every evening you sort of have a plan to

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So we have the ability and we can

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Speaker 2: get into some of this with the car camping world,

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Speaker 2: because ultimately what we're doing is we're taking that to

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Speaker 2: the extreme in Africa and just living out of these

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Speaker 2: We can halt enough food for eight of us for

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Speaker 2: what happens along the way. But those places, you can't

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Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, logistical nightmare.

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Speaker 2: It is. It's all logistics, and that to me is

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Speaker 2: really the fun because you're problem solving.

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Speaker 1: Right, And I mean, if you can carry ten days

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Speaker 1: I mean, really for sixty days, then you're only looking

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Speaker 1: If you can pick up good fresh food and then

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Speaker 1: carry it for ten for ten days, or supply a

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Speaker 1: we get to food, we'll come back to that. We

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Speaker 1: kind of organize an outline here, and it's kind of

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Speaker 1: how I organize a lot of times. My gear list

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Speaker 1: is getting ready for a trip, which I'll started doing

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Speaker 1: more and more. And if i'd give anybody a tip

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Speaker 1: is when you make these from trip to trip and

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Speaker 1: I can be such an idiot and write out these

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Speaker 1: great lists and then next year I'm like, Oh, we're

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Speaker 1: going on our annual Montana family camping trip. Where's that list?

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Speaker 1: So yeah, make yourself a little folder. But anyways, I

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Speaker 1: organize it under like shelters, and that usually includes like

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Speaker 1: and then there's pretty much extras. I mean, that's really

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Speaker 1: what it comes down to, right You got to be sheltered,

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Speaker 1: us there's always hunting gear thrown in. But we're not

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Speaker 1: off with shelters and car camping. And I don't know, Clay,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess start off wherever you want to start,

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Speaker 2: Right, well, some people are, but typically right now, like

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Speaker 2: the I guess what's trending still is the rooftop tents,

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of that's probably the most common thing

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Speaker 2: that you see associated with overland travel. But that doesn't

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Speaker 2: mean that a lot of people still can't overland travel

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Speaker 2: out of a ground tent. There are pluses and minuses

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Speaker 2: to rooftop tents, and there's pluses and minuses to ground tents.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, we could we could dive into those aspects.

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Speaker 2: And then there's the yeah, I think we just third

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Speaker 2: which is like live in systems, So I'll category categorize

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Speaker 2: it like that. So you have your live on, which

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Speaker 2: Here in Bozeman, you kind of live. You can live

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Speaker 2: are very convenient. They're set up when you get to camp.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to find a level ground. It's already

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Speaker 2: You just need to make sure your car's level and

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Speaker 2: which is pretty convenient. Let's free.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about leveling because I know

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Speaker 1: that triople that you actually like when you if you

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Speaker 2: There's uh, there's the there's the dirt bag way where

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Speaker 2: And then our higher, more advanced trucks actually have air

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Speaker 2: got air bag systems. But most of all of our

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Speaker 2: the easy way, you know, got it?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So what's tell me? Like what because I'm still

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Speaker 1: on the fence with the rooftop ten I know I

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Speaker 1: know a lot of people that have them. You hear

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Speaker 2: But like, what is the big draw? Uh? There there

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Speaker 2: is a let's just say this. They're cozy, They're really

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Speaker 2: they're fun to stay in. You know, you're up off

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Speaker 1: No way to shut it down to keep the air

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Speaker 2: They're just loud, they have rain flies, and but it's

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Speaker 2: something that's on the ground. You know, windy nights, it's

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Speaker 2: it's a tent. Sure at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: it's a tent. It's going to flap in the wind.

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Speaker 2: There are some better than others when you once you

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I've started seeing more rooftop tents that are integrated

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I would say that is the sweet spot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for the person that's uh camping and hunting out

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Speaker 2: That is one of the drawbacks to a rooftop tent

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Speaker 2: Like a mister buddy. Yep, mister buddy can work pretty good. Now.

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Speaker 1: Clear, you're gonna be so soft by the end of

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Speaker 1: has like the one that he's using, but then he

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00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: has a backup as well, so that there's no question,

434
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:27,880
Speaker 1: you know, about his air quality.

435
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 2: That's he's a smart man because it's a silent killer, right,

436
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 2: Like you don't you don't know what's happening, and there's

437
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 2: no way he would.

438
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 1: You just wouldn't know. You just slip into Yeah. Yeah,

439
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: you just start dreaming and next thing you know, it's over.

440
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 2: That's okay.

441
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, you know, in all seriousness, don't mess

442
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: don't mess around with uh with that stuff, be safe

443
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 1: about it.

444
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 2: Okay.

445
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 1: So I guess we're we kind of covered the regular tents, uh,

446
00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: rooftop tents, anything.

447
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 2: All. We need to talk about what you called live

448
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 2: in systems or campers. Uh yeah, I would say that

449
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 2: be mindful of weight when you're getting into these camper

450
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 2: systems and any any time that you're looking at a

451
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 2: rooftop tent or definitely a camper or live in. The

452
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,880
Speaker 2: weights on these trucks get out of hand pretty quick.

453
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 2: So just be thinking about what what your trade offs

454
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 2: are when you go to these different systems. Are you

455
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 2: are you putting the weight up too high? Is your

456
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 2: truck ready for that? Are you putting so much weight

457
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 2: with it back? How many campers have we seen going

458
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 2: down the road where it's sitting in the back of

459
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 2: that truck is just down to the bump stops on

460
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 2: the back, you know, and they say, oh, well, my

461
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 2: truck should be able to handle that, you know, Like now,

462
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 2: it's not really designed to handle that. You know, you

463
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 2: got to you got to think through it a little

464
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 2: bit more to make these systems safe and good. But

465
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 2: so there's the logistics side to think through. But personally

466
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 2: we use them all still. I'll be in a ground

467
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 2: tint this week with a trip that we're doing. I'm

468
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 2: going to be living in a rooftop tent this weekend,

469
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 2: and I'll be living in a live in system for

470
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 2: two months in Africa. So we do it all. It's

471
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 2: just kind of tools of the trade, okay.

472
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: And so when you say so, just so we're not

473
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 1: talking about toe behind trailers. When you say live in system,

474
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: you're talking about when you just see the back of

475
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: the truck and it's basically gotta it's got a camper

476
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: that's just sitting in the bed. That's kind of what

477
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: your definition of live in system is.

478
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, So if you could be living in the back

479
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 2: of a bed of a truck and you have walls

480
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: around you of some kind, that would be live in

481
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,719
Speaker 2: and they live out systems would be rooftop tent where

482
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 2: you do all of your cooking and everything outside and

483
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 2: you never really crawl in. You would maybe a topper

484
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 2: system would even probably be considered mostly a live out

485
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 2: of system because you're just using the topper just to

486
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 2: store gear, but you're still doing everything outside. Got it,

487
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 2: got it? Got it?

488
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean it's obviously we could go down

489
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: a huge rabbit hole. But I've I can tell you,

490
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: I've never even stepped inside one of these live in

491
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: back of the truck systems. So I am very curious

492
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 1: because when I look at it, I go, there's no

493
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: way there's enough room for me as a six foot

494
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 1: two human to go in there and then live comfortably.

495
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 1: So like, walk me through just the basic layout, and

496
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 1: I guess how you can do everything. I'm guessing you're

497
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: doing everything besides the toilet, right, Yeah.

498
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 2: We avoid toilets usually because you know, we still use

499
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,479
Speaker 2: the good old nature to do that. But there are

500
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 2: a lot of systems in it out there that allow

501
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 2: you to use a toilet in these live in systems.

502
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 2: Really that's it. Oh yeah, there's there's so much stuff.

503
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 2: So a lot of this stuff comes from there's two

504
00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 2: worlds that it comes from. It's interesting. There's the boating world.

505
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff that comes from boats and

506
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 2: yachts and things like that that translate because it's all

507
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 2: twelve olt yeah, and it's small quarters. Small quarters moves

508
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 2: into a truck. And then there's those are like usually

509
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: your higher end system. There's there's always the bucket you know,

510
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 2: the bucket system that you can go anywhere and find

511
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 2: a bucket system of some kind, you know, Sportsmen's warehouse

512
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 2: or bob Wards or something like that. There's got to

513
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 2: be something there for this solution. But then it goes

514
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 2: all the way up into like the wrap on toilets.

515
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: They come from cranes. So the guys that are in

516
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 2: cities and they they came out of Japan. So the

517
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 2: guys that are up in these huge cranes that have

518
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 2: to do their business and they can't come down the cranes,

519
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 2: they have a twelve volt ceiling system that seals the

520
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 2: waist and they can stay up in the crane all day.

521
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 2: That's not being utilized in trucks all the time. It's

522
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 2: pretty cool. There's there's a lot of you know, ways

523
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 2: to skin that cat so to speak, and that allows

524
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 2: you to be more adventurous and extend your seasons. If

525
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 2: if that's a problem for you, for me, it's like whatever,

526
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,719
Speaker 2: that doesn't bother me. I'll I'd rather not deal with that,

527
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 2: you know, because.

528
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 1: I imagine you, I imagine you got to have a

529
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: really good ventilation system. I mean, if you're gonna go

530
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,239
Speaker 1: number two inside of a space that I mean, I mean,

531
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: how many square feet is there inside one of these things?

532
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 2: And the bet of a pick's like four feet by

533
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: six feet by six feet high probably roughly. Yeah, so yeah, yeah,

534
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: you gotta have your systems dialed, all.

535
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: Right, So walk me through. You open the door, you

536
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: step inside. I just don't understand, and really and again

537
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: I should just go and check one out. But walk

538
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: us through for other people that haven't been inside one, Like,

539
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: how does it work that you're gonna sleep in there,

540
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: You're gonna cook in there, you're gonna eat in there,

541
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna hang out and play some cards maybe when

542
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: the when the weather's got you down?

543
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,959
Speaker 2: Like, how does the how does they? How are they

544
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: mostly configured? Sure? Well, we'll go with the uh the

545
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: four start with the four wheel camper type of system,

546
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: and I say four wheel camp because they've been around

547
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: the longest. There's there's other brands out there now, but like, uh,

548
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: so you this is a slide in camper. It bolts

549
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 2: to the four anchor points in the back of your

550
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: bed and you usually have a tailgate that comes off

551
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 2: and the camper has a door built into it, so

552
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,479
Speaker 2: you open the door, crawl into the back, and you

553
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 2: lift the lid. So there's four latches on the outside

554
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: that allow you to just unhook those and then you

555
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 2: you go to the back and you push up the

556
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 2: rear and then you go towards the bed and you

557
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 2: push up the front of it, and it makes a

558
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: taller camper. It raises the whole roof. That's where you

559
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 2: get a lot more room out of them, usually over

560
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: the type over the cab because the camper sticks over

561
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 2: the cab that's where your bed's at. So it makes

562
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: room by putting the bed extending over the roof of

563
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: the truck, and then you have the whole back of

564
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 2: the bed to turn into couch and dining space, a sink,

565
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 2: a fridge, a heater, sometimes a bathroom in some sitting areas,

566
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 2: and they're extremely comfortable like I have friends right now

567
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: that are touring the world there in Scotland and they

568
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: don't know when they'll be back. They're planning on years

569
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: of planning of driving around the world in the back

570
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 2: of one of those, so they're extremely livable. So that's

571
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: like this the drop in slide in system. Right there's

572
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 2: the cap kind of like the go Fast or the

573
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: Allu cab havebing canopy camper type of solution where it

574
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: bolts to the top of the bed of the truck

575
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: and like a topper wood but then the roof wedges

576
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: up makes like a triangle up on top the back

577
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: of it. You just stand on your bumper, unlatch the

578
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 2: back latches and push it up and that sets your

579
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 2: tent up and then inside when you crawl inside, the

580
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 2: bed is usually on a hydraulic system, so you can

581
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: push up the bed out of the way and stand

582
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: in the back of the bed without the bed being flat,

583
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: and that gives you that whole access underneath. So we

584
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: have for example the one in Africa right now on

585
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,959
Speaker 2: our new tundra. It has a refrigerator in there. It

586
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 2: has a drawer system from Goose Gear that allows us

587
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: to organize our pots and pans and plates. It has

588
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 2: a battery system in there, It has a wabasto heater

589
00:31:55,120 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 2: system wrap around seating. There's store where we put a

590
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 2: bunch of power units in there so we can charge

591
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: cameras and laptops and all kinds of stuff. And you

592
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 2: can sit there with the bed up and have tons

593
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: of room. And then when it's time for bed, you

594
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 2: pull your bed down, the bed platform down and throw

595
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 2: your sleeping bag out and you sleep up on top.

596
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,239
Speaker 2: Because that tent now it's like sleeping in the rooftop tent.

597
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 2: You just have access to hop down into the cab,

598
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: so you're living in the in the truck. There are Yeah,

599
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 2: it sounds awesome.

600
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: Now, you didn't sell me on the rooftop tent, but

601
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: you sold me on this deal.

602
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: And that's where I'm at. Yeah, rooftop tent a bunch

603
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: more accessible cost wise, and most people have the ability

604
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: to put a rooftop tent on their truck right now

605
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: without too much of a modification. But if you're really

606
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: looking at like especially your audience and things I like

607
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: to do too, like hunting and spending time fishing and

608
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: all that, and you want a place to retrieve, get

609
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: out of the bugs, and have a place to wait

610
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 2: out that storm or whatnot. This system is it. And

611
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: by the time you buy a topper and then a

612
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: roof rack and then a rooftop tent and you get

613
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,959
Speaker 2: all that going there, you're not that far off from

614
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: being able to have a live in system if you

615
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: were to just pay for it that way. So that

616
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 2: there are more expensive, but they're a lot nicer, a

617
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 2: lot more functional.

618
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: Oh if I put I just looked up just very

619
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: quickly the four wheel campers dot com and if I

620
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: put one of their mid range models onto my truck,

621
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: my truck would triple in value. Yeah, yeah, that's no joke.

622
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: They're expensive, but it's you know, it's about what you

623
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: want to do, right and if you want to be

624
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: have that you know, place to Like you're saying, retreat

625
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: and I always say, as far as as far as

626
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: hunting goes, the more comfortable you can be, the longer

627
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: you're going to stay out, the harder you're gonna hunt,

628
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: you know, the more days you're going to add to

629
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: your hunt before you you know, throw the cards in

630
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: and try to decide to retreat. And as soon as

631
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: you retreat whether it's an hour drive to your house

632
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: or or half a day, you're taking time away from

633
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 1: being in the field, and it's probably gonna affect your success.

634
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's just it. You know, there's we we

635
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 2: run into this a lot. Well, you're just not roughing

636
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 2: it anymore, or yeah, you're getting really soft. You know.

637
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, I guess I am, but uh, the

638
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 2: activity that I am intending to do has nothing to

639
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 2: you know. I want to thrive, not survive on this aspect.

640
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 2: I want to spend, especially in the overland world, and

641
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: I think it relates to the hunting world because it

642
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 2: has for me personally being able to spend really good

643
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 2: time out there and just like you're saying, and be

644
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 2: ready to rock and roll and hunt harder and do

645
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 2: the thing that you've put so much time and energy

646
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 2: to be able to go do and do it well

647
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 2: and sleep well, eat well. It just enriches the experience

648
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 2: so much more. Now, there's nothing wrong with roughing it.

649
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: I like roughing it. It has its place, right. There's

650
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 2: times where you're like, no, I want to go have

651
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: that type of an adventure. Awesome, But there's times when

652
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: you don't.

653
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've tried to tell people a lot too that

654
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 3: like if they're coming out and there are you know,

655
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 3: coming from back east out west, a lot of people

656
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 3: want to backpack hunt. That's great. One thing on backpack

657
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 3: hunting now is it if you're on a budget, it's

658
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 3: it takes a lot just to get into the camping

659
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 3: gear to go backpacking, and you're not even talking about

660
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 3: the hunting gear side of things. So I think a

661
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 3: good way to save a lot of a lot of

662
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 3: money if you're on a tight budget is just skip

663
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 3: that and just walk in and out every day, and

664
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 3: you can even go a step further and like a

665
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 3: lot of times for your vehicle camping type stuff. I mean,

666
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 3: you can go crazy with people that make really cool

667
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 3: things and they're really you know, pretty pricey, but for

668
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 3: the most part, like bulk isn't really an issue. Weight's

669
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 3: not an issue in your vehicle, and you can find

670
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 3: mattresses and stuff for pretty like cheap, pretty cost effective

671
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 3: and just live out of the back of your pickup

672
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 3: and like hunt from there. And that's I think that's

673
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 3: a good way people should think about that a little

674
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 3: more often.

675
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 2: The range is incredible, So I would also say that

676
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 2: a lot of the time. If you do invest, you

677
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 2: can invest into the backpacking stuff and it applies towards

678
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 2: the car camping, so you can use them both ways.

679
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: So the kind of the buy once cry once get

680
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: into the things that allow you to spend the money

681
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,479
Speaker 2: on the things that allow you to do the most

682
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: amount of stuff, So so you're not rebuying a bunch

683
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 2: of stuff. Yeah, you can go from just the simple

684
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 2: foam pad for your sleeping system in the back of

685
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 2: your truck that you'll use on the hunt as well,

686
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 2: possibly on an ultra light hunt, and you can go

687
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 2: all the way to owning an earth roamer, which is

688
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 2: a million dollar overland vehicle with granite countertops in there.

689
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 2: It's there's everything in between, you know.

690
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not going to get into earth roamers, although

691
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: they are. I've seen one. I pulled up to a

692
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: trailhead last summer and it was I only saw the outside,

693
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: but it was impressive and I was I was guessing

694
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: how much it costs. I didn't quite reach the million

695
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: dollar mark, but now I'm glad I know how much

696
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 1: an earth roamer runs.

697
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, well their top ends are a million. But yeah, anyway,

698
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 2: what about just really quickly. While I was showing shelters,

699
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 2: I see a lot of people. You don't have to

700
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: be an Overlander to have one of these. Seth used

701
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 2: to have one on his FJ.

702
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: But a just like an like a rolled up awning,

703
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: this kind of on the side of your you know

704
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: rack that you can just pull out. What are people

705
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: using that more mostly for? Do you recommend them? Do

706
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: you do you find a use for them?

707
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 2: Yeah? Awnings are great, so yeah. It gives you the

708
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 2: ability to make shade or cover from sun or rain,

709
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: and they're probably one of the cheapest and simplest things

710
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 2: that you can mount to a vehicle that provides you

711
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 2: a significant level of creature comfort. A lot of these

712
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 2: even have like bug nets that drop around them so

713
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 2: you can sit and eat out of the bugs. A

714
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 2: lot of them have dropped down rooms that you can

715
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 2: attach to them, so if you want to sleep just

716
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:47,720
Speaker 2: out of one of off of an awning, those are there.

717
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 2: They're a necessity for all of our trucks. We don't

718
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: not every single one of our trucks in a convoy

719
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 2: has them, but we of the three two of them

720
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 2: have them. And there's a wide range of awnings out

721
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 2: there for vehicles. Now there's the simple ones that just

722
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 2: unfold by hand and you set them up. Make sure

723
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 2: you always stake them. By the way, I've damaged so

724
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 2: many awnings over the years. There they're a parachute and

725
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: it just takes a you know, a puff of wind

726
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 2: from you know, down the canyon to fold it over

727
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 2: the top of your truck and you're replacing it. So

728
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 2: make sure you always stake any of these down. But

729
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 2: they go from a wide range of sizes, like just

730
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 2: a like a four foot or off the back that

731
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: goes over the top of your tailgate and extends back

732
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: to My favorite right now is the easy On two

733
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: seventy awning. It goes what called seventy degrees now it's

734
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: the easy On to seventy two hundred seventy degrees. So

735
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 2: it sits on the side of a truck and when

736
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: you unfold it, it has the arms that come out and

737
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 2: extends shade off the side of the truck all the

738
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 2: way back over the tailgate. So wow, fantastic. So yeah,

739
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 2: if it's hot, hey, like here in Montana in the summer,

740
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 2: it's hot, and if you're hanging out, that's where you're

741
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,919
Speaker 2: gonna be sitting. You don't want to sit in the truck.

742
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 2: There's just not enough air movement. You can sit out

743
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 2: and picnic and make your meals, prep your rifles, prep

744
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 2: your packs and all of that in the shade, and

745
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: then if the weather gets bad, you're covered and you

746
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 2: have a lot more working space. And when you don't

747
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: need it, it all packs up, rolls away, zips up into

748
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 2: a bag that sits on the side of your roof rack.

749
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 2: They're pretty handy.

750
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been thinking about one for a long time,

751
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: mostly for napping. I feel like you come back for

752
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: the morning hunt and then it's just like you know

753
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: it's going to be hot for four or six hours,

754
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 1: and there's nothing worse than just sort of the whole

755
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: group is crawling slowly around the truck, chasing the shade

756
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: and trying to nap and awning.

757
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 2: It would be a much better way to go about that. Yeah,

758
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 2: no more if you get an aunting like that, no more.

759
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 3: Do you have a mattresses that you really like to use?

760
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's see the brands that we like. The

761
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:15,439
Speaker 2: air mattresses that are great, Big, Agnes, Nemo, They're all

762
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 2: in the backpacking hunting worlds. As well. When it comes

763
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 2: to like a replacement mattress for a rooftop tent, there's

764
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 2: one that really stands out and it's Hest h e

765
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 2: st and they are not cheap, but they are fantastic.

766
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 2: So all of our trucks run Hest mattresses and they're

767
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:43,479
Speaker 2: game changers because you sleep so well. Like I look

768
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 2: forward to sleeping in a rooftop tent with a Hest

769
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: mattress in it. And yeah, we're not sponsored by them.

770
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 2: They've given us a couple of them, but you know,

771
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 2: we don't make any money off that or anything. I'm

772
00:41:55,320 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 2: just telling you they're they did something right. It's magic. Okay,

773
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm gonna check that out. I mentioned it

774
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: before on this show, but for I just got into

775
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 2: the last couple of years. The Nemo Roamer, Yeah, which

776
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 2: I call a car camping mattress. Those things are pretty

777
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: dang nice. They're nice.

778
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: Doesn't sound like they're as good as a HESS, but

779
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: I'm guessing a HEST takes up a little bit more

780
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: room too, right.

781
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a full foam pad, you know, like a

782
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 2: mattress pad that you would have a kind of your house.

783
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 2: Sure it doesn't collapse. It's designed to stay in the

784
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 2: truck or the roof top ten at all times.

785
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, what do you think, Jordan, Should we move

786
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: on to the organization right now or should we get

787
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: into cooking and then kind of finish with the whole

788
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: organization of everything.

789
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 3: I think let's finish with the organization.

790
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: So let's jump over to cooking. Where do you want

791
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: to start with with cooking and eating clay?

792
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: Well, when you're when you're thinking of car camping or

793
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 2: using a galley system in a vehicle, you can think

794
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 2: of it like your kitchen at home. You need a

795
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: three point kitchen, good work surface that could be your

796
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: tailgate or a portable table that you bring with you.

797
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 2: You need your fridge and your sink, so prep fridge

798
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: and sink and that if you can. And then your

799
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 2: cooking surface usually is right there next to your prep surface.

800
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 2: If you can build a three point kitchen, you'll thrive

801
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 2: in the back country or on the trailhead so to

802
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 2: speak here because backcountry means when we're talking to hunters

803
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 2: and stuff that it means something different. So like at

804
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 2: the trailheads, when you're back in there wherever you are remotely,

805
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 2: if you have that, you're going to be able to

806
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: cook anything that you would really at home outside of

807
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: the oven. And even for that, there's shovens and techniques

808
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 2: to make whatever you want. So yeah, stoves, A fridge

809
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 2: or cooler is the cheapest version, obviously all of us

810
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 2: have used those from the dawn of time. Uh. And

811
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: then a table, good table. If you have that, the

812
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 2: world's your oyster. Start prepping like a stove. So the

813
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 2: stoves I see here? Is there always propane or what?

814
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: You know? How do we think about stoves?

815
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 3: Uh?

816
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 2: My favorite stove is the cook Partner stove. They're out

817
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: of Idaho and they were built for river rafters for

818
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 2: years and to take the river guide scene and have

819
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 2: a robust stove that would hold up to the punishment

820
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 2: of river guides there. Their stoves are fantastic. Ah, the

821
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: primo stoves with the pro propane primos, even the coalman's

822
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 2: are great. Like there's especially in the propane world, it's

823
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: definitely the simplest. If you're doing a lot of winter

824
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: or really cold camping, propane is not usually your friend

825
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 2: in the in the deep cold, you need to kind

826
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 2: of take care of your propane bottles. So that's when

827
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: you get back into white gas, and a lot of

828
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 2: hunters and backpackers will know, like the MSR stoves, the

829
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: you know, anything that takes a white gas pressurized cylinder

830
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 2: there they perform in the cold, but they're a lot

831
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 2: more volatile, you got, you know, it's just they're not

832
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 2: hard to use. You just got to know what you're doing.

833
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 2: You know.

834
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: Well, before canisters got real popular whatever that was ten

835
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: years ago, a little bit more now, uh, you know,

836
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: it seemed like everybody had a white gas stove and

837
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: that's just what I don't know, that's what I learned

838
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: to you know, cook on in the back country was

839
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: a white gas stove. And yeah, you gotta you know,

840
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: there's the big flame up right that happens when you're

841
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: always uh uh you know, putting too much gas in

842
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 1: there too. What's the term when you're when you put

843
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 1: the gas into.

844
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 3: You're like pumping it up.

845
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 2: You prime it, don't you Yeah, when you're when you're

846
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 2: priming it.

847
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, eventually, and the nice thing about the white

848
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: gas thoves is compared to a lot of the canister

849
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: ones is that you can actually regulate the flame and

850
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: the heat a little bit better.

851
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they last a lot longer.

852
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: Uh.

853
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 2: The the white gas stuff is really really efficient, you know,

854
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 2: versus and then what with a canister. Once you burn

855
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 2: up a canister in the back country, you know, you're

856
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: packing around an empty canister and you've got to have

857
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 2: two or three of them, whereas like a good bottle

858
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: of white gas will last you a week, you know.

859
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 2: But uh uh, they have their they definitely have their drawbacks.

860
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: We were in we were on a big Greenland expedition.

861
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 2: We were crossing from the southern side of Greenland over

862
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 2: the ice cap to the northern side of Greenland in

863
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 2: trucks called Arctic trucks, and we had a big tent

864
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: set up with a white gas stove in it, and

865
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 2: we had a we had a stove fire in the

866
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 2: middle of the ice Greenland ice sheet with with our

867
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: inside our only big tent, you know, through a fire

868
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 2: blanket on it and everything like. Yeah. So you know,

869
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: white gay it's the only thing that would burn at

870
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 2: twenty below when you're doing that stuff. But they have

871
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: their they have their drawbacks. So I prefer propaine or

872
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 2: the canister, the jet boil like jet boils or that

873
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 2: type of stove. We have one and all of our

874
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 2: kits always have one because it's still the best for

875
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 2: making quick water, hot water for coffees, teas, or you know,

876
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 2: whatever you need hot water for. That's that's like still

877
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 2: the most efficient and most convenient stove. But once you

878
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 2: get into cooking for the family or for a few

879
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 2: guys or out in camp, then a two burner is

880
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 2: what you want. They make three and four burners, but man,

881
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 2: we cook for nine people with two burner stoves all

882
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 2: the time. I will mention there's one more stove out

883
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 2: there that's gained popularity in the overland world, and it's

884
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: called a Scottle. Have you heard of a scottle before? No?

885
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 2: How do you spell that? So sko t t l

886
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 2: e is Scottle And so this is a South African

887
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 2: stove system. They're big into their Brie, right, It's called

888
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: the Brie in South Africa. They take a harrow disc

889
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 2: from a tractor that to turn the dirt up, and

890
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 2: they flip it on flat and make like a walk

891
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 2: out of it like a like a and then they

892
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 2: put a stove underneath it that looks like a jet

893
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 2: boil and they heat it and you can cook for

894
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 2: a lot of people it's great for breakfast, great for

895
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 2: so we're using that more and more because of how

896
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: many people you can feed at once off of a

897
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 2: scott and they're just super easy to clean. It's away

898
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 2: from everything. Everybody gets to stand around it when you're cooking.

899
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 2: It's fun to eat off of when you're you know,

900
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 2: prepping dinner, and it's kind of gathering place when you're

901
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 2: using one. They're they're pretty cool too.

902
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: But but the heat source is just any any canister stove.

903
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, like a propane bottle.

904
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: It's like a propane bottle. On the bottom, it's like

905
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 2: a jet boil. Think of a jet boil that's hung

906
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 2: under a harrow disc from a tractor and uh, it

907
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 2: heats it right, and so right in the middle, at

908
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 2: the bottom of the of the disk is the hottest

909
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 2: and then as you move food away from it, you know,

910
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 2: to the edges, it cools off. So you can like, ooh,

911
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 2: that's getting a little too done. You can push it

912
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 2: off to the edge and they're very.

913
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: Okay, so cool. So it's not quite the bowl that

914
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: a walk is. It's a little shallower so that if

915
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: you move stuff to the sides, it'll stay there.

916
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 2: You're not like flipping this thing. No, uhuh got it?

917
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 2: Huh yeah? How much is it weigh? Cool?

918
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: Uh?

919
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 2: Man? Maybe less than ten pounds? They're not you know,

920
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,280
Speaker 2: you get you get a tripod leg system that stands

921
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 2: under it, so you got a few legs and it's

922
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 2: great for groups.

923
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 3: We've been in the trailer. We've been using the it's

924
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 3: like the pit boss flat. It's like a griddle basically,

925
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 3: it's a two burner griddle that runs off propane that

926
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 3: just sits right on the like a tabletop, and that

927
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 3: thing is yeah, that works, that works super good. And

928
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 3: I was gonna say real quick too. Jet Boil came

929
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 3: out a couple of years ago with the propane stove.

930
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 3: They call it the Genesis, okay, and it runs off

931
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 3: of it runs off of propane and it's like two

932
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 3: just basic burners you can think of, and they fold

933
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 3: together when you're, uh, when you're not using them, packing

934
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 3: them away, so they fold down smaller than like a

935
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 3: flat regular two burner, like a Coleman type.

936
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 2: Gotcha. Yeah, that's cool. Jet Oil is great brand. If

937
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 2: you haven't looked into them, they make good stuff.

938
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, but man, I gotta say I just their standard

939
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: like original jet boil. I feel like if you run

940
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: that thing next to the MSR reactor. Are you familiar

941
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: with that stove?

942
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 2: I think I've been around one of them. Yeah, yeah,

943
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 2: I bet.

944
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: I would say that it boils water in a third

945
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 1: of the time. Wow, I'm not joking. And especially I

946
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: don't know if it has something to do with, like

947
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: you said, the mix in the canisters, and maybe there's

948
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 1: more propane. I don't know if there's a I don't

949
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: exactly know what's it's iso buttane, right is usually what's

950
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: it's in the canister. But somehow it seems like those

951
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: jet boils, at least the versions that we used to

952
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: use a lot on meat eater trips, they would just

953
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: fail miserably as the colder it got. I mean, we

954
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 1: you'd sit around trying to make coffee for a group

955
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: of six and you'd be like, you know what, guys,

956
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,959
Speaker 1: we gotta go hunting. We just don't have enough time

957
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: to you know, boil water for more people. Where I

958
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: feel like those MSR reactors, I mean, you crank them,

959
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: you don't even have time to go take a pee

960
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: and come back and the water's boiling over.

961
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 2: Oh I'm gonna check into that. I would for sure.

962
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, isn't it funny that how we're

963
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,760
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three, at the modern era of time

964
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 2: and we're still like obsessing over boiling water. Yeah, from

965
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 2: the dawn of time, all of these things cooking and

966
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 2: all of it's been amazing, like and we're still refining

967
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 2: all of this stuff. It's amazing what's out there now.

968
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 2: But it's still at the top of mind for us

969
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 2: as adventurers out there. How do we cook and make water? Yeah,

970
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 2: pretty much. And I mean there's a gazillion ways to

971
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 2: do it. There's lighter ways to do it. I mean

972
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 2: there's I think Jordan and I were talking about it recently.

973
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 2: There's the like an alcohol stove, right, I don't know

974
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 2: if that there There isn't a lighter But again, you

975
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 2: better have time on your hands if you're going to

976
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 2: sit around waiting for those alcohol stoves to boil water. Yeah, yep,

977
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 2: you're gonna sit back and relax for a while and

978
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 2: wait for that thing to do its job. Yeah. You

979
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 2: can't age a little bit too.

980
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't just like get up and be like, oh,

981
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna we need to get out of camp in

982
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: twenty minutes, so we can be on the glass and

983
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 1: to it in time for first light and then hope

984
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna make coffee and water for oatmeal. It's just

985
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: it ain't gonna happen, you know. Nope, nope, all right,

986
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: let's get into just like I want to hear your

987
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: take a little bit on food because it sounds like

988
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: you're packing for that for this Africa trip.

989
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 2: I didn't know.

990
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: I had no clue that you could actually pack for

991
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: that many people just in three rigs. You said eight people,

992
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: three rigs, right, yep? Ten days, ten ten, ten days?

993
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: And that's is that between frigerator, refrigerators and coolers or

994
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,240
Speaker 1: how are you storing that much fresh food?

995
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 2: Sure? So we only run with refrigerators refrigerators in a vehicle.

996
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 2: Of course, they take their own power supply. There's logistics

997
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 2: behind running refrigerators and trucks that are very well documented.

998
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 2: It's very easy to do, but it is a thing.

999
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 2: You got to have backup battery, backups and the ability

1000
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 2: to charge them like solar and things like that that

1001
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 2: kind of come into play. If you're parked for a

1002
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 2: long time, if you're driving every day, your batteries are

1003
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 2: getting charged by your alternator, and you're topping off your

1004
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:31,439
Speaker 2: house batteries and just like a camper and you park

1005
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 2: for the night and it runs off that stuff and

1006
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 2: by tomorrow you're charging again. But let's just talk the

1007
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 2: actual function for a second. So refrigerators are very efficient

1008
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 2: with space because they don't require ice. So a lot

1009
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:54,479
Speaker 2: of times the weight of a refrigerator fully loaded, you'll

1010
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 2: actually have a lot more food in a refrigerator compared

1011
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 2: to a cooler that you have to fill with ice

1012
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 2: and then put your food in, and then the thick

1013
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 2: walls to keep that ice, you know, from melting, keeping

1014
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 2: it as efficient as possible. Now, a refrigerator just runs

1015
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 2: a compressor and keeps things at temperature. So that because

1016
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 2: we run refrigerators, we want to we run a wide

1017
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 2: range of sizes from fifty five court up to I

1018
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 2: think we have a seventy court in one of our

1019
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 2: trucks right now. You can put a whole lot of

1020
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 2: food in those guys. Okay, So yeah, so one we're running.

1021
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: If you're having a hard time imagining how big a

1022
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: seventy cort refrigerator is, just think about a sixty five

1023
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: yetti up on its tall end side right lengthwise standing there.

1024
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 2: And now put all the food in it without any

1025
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 2: of the ice. Right, that's a lot more Food's a lot. Yeah,

1026
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 2: it turns into like having to pack I would say

1027
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 2: meatball math, I'd say it's half half of the space

1028
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 2: is taken by ice. If you run deep dried ice

1029
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 2: or whatever, yeah, you can might maybe get that down,

1030
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 2: but probably half of that volume is ice. So we're running.

1031
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 2: Think how many coolers of space we're running in just

1032
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 2: those three fridges. It would be like running six coolers

1033
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 2: right at the same.

1034
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 3: Well, what's your go to for food? Like if you

1035
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 3: can go into a store, Like, what do you guys

1036
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 3: like to default to?

1037
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,919
Speaker 2: Ah Man? So we we debate this all the time.

1038
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 2: So the one the things we seem to always cook are,

1039
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,720
Speaker 2: let's see, grilled cheese sandwiches. For some reason, we're always

1040
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 2: making that. Uh, Tacos are a fan favorite. Spaghetti is

1041
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 2: a is a favorite of all of ours. But we're

1042
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 2: making all kinds of stuff now between these things because

1043
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 2: we have the we have the ability with these fridge

1044
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 2: freezers to have frozen food we can and that helps

1045
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 2: us in our ten days time. We're not keeping some

1046
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 2: of those meats and produce non frozen for that long

1047
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 2: where we have one of ours that is dedicated as

1048
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 2: a freezer, so we have ice and ice cream and

1049
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff if we want. Five days, six

1050
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 2: days into our trip in Central America, we drove all

1051
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 2: we went from Baja all the way down to Panama

1052
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 2: and all the way back and never got into this

1053
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 2: one ice compartment and we had packed a pint of

1054
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 2: ice cream been and Jerry's. It was the saddest thing

1055
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 2: ever because we didn't eat it at the bottom. When

1056
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 2: we got to the Darien Gap. We hauled it all

1057
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 2: the way home and ended up giving it to like

1058
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 2: the Holiday Inn receptionist because we're flying out the next day.

1059
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 2: We packed this thing this whole time. This you know,

1060
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 2: so we can keep ice cream good for months in

1061
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 2: these systems, so we can we can cat pack all

1062
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 2: kinds of stuff. Wow, So I want.

1063
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 3: To dive off real quick. You touched on. You've got

1064
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 3: to have a good power source keep those fridges going.

1065
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 3: Can you give a rundown of what that is, what

1066
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 3: that looks like?

1067
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 2: Sure? So these refrigerators run off of twelvel just like

1068
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 2: your dome light or yeah, anything in your truck, your

1069
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 2: twelvel cigarette lighter sockets. They need a heavier gauge wire

1070
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 2: because they're pulling more ampriage than those things. But it

1071
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 2: runs off. The simplest way to explain it is that

1072
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 2: you have a power line and a ground line that

1073
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 2: run off your battery and to where your fridge is

1074
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 2: plugged into, and then you tap into the fridge through

1075
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 2: that and then it's fused obviously for safety near the battery.

1076
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 2: But that refrigerator runs off the capacity of that battery.

1077
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 2: So if it's a start battery, you got to be

1078
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 2: careful because if you run your refrigerator too long, it

1079
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 2: could deplay the ability to start your vehicle. That's why

1080
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 2: a lot of US Overlanders carry secondary house batteries or

1081
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 2: a dual battery system.

1082
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 3: So let me, I'm kind of surprised you don't do

1083
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 3: like a goal zero or something like that.

1084
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 2: So the goal zeros are a good way to go

1085
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:22,959
Speaker 2: as well, especially if you don't have a full time build.

1086
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 2: If you're kind of using your truck as a daily

1087
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 2: driver and you want this ability to power a refrigerator

1088
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 2: for the weekend and then the rest of the week

1089
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 2: you need to do something else with it. Goal zero

1090
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 2: systems are great for that. You still probably need to

1091
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 2: think about how you can charge it in the field,

1092
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 2: especially if you're not able to charge it off the truck,

1093
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 2: so that's when solar kind of kicks in or whatnot.

1094
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 2: But almost all those systems on the goal zero side,

1095
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 2: you can plug them into your truck and charge them

1096
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 2: while you're driving, and that's a good simple way to start.

1097
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the extra batteries that you guys carry or

1098
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 1: you'll still have a standard car battery like we all do.

1099
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: That that doesn't change. Or do you have a different, better,

1100
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: more expensive battery in in the you know, in the

1101
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: engine compartment and then as well you have something else

1102
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: just so you have more I guess, more power stacked up.

1103
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, the answer is we use all kinds of systems

1104
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 2: like that, different I guess both. So sometimes, uh, for example,

1105
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 2: we have a third Gen four runner out here that

1106
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 2: only has a start battery. We put a better, deeper

1107
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 2: cell battery into it. Think of a battery like a well.

1108
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 2: So depending on the battery, you how much water is

1109
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 2: in the well. You know, you put a bigger battery

1110
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 2: in there, you can deplete the power more before it

1111
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 2: won't start the car, so you need a bigger battery

1112
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 2: and it'll hang on longer. Sometimes we'll do that with

1113
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 2: the start battery, but then we'll supplement its power by

1114
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 2: putting a solar panel on the roof that charges that

1115
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 2: when we're not running the truck, and that's managed by

1116
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 2: different power systems like look into red ARC systems on

1117
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 2: how to do all that. That is hands down the

1118
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 2: best systems out there that allows the vehicle or the charger.

1119
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 2: It's called a battery charger controller that will manage. Okay, oh,

1120
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 2: I have solar power coming in, I can charge that

1121
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 2: start battery while it's sitting here. Oh, now I have

1122
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 2: alternator power coming in. I can charge that start battery

1123
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 2: off the alternator because that's the better source right now,

1124
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 2: and that keeps those batteries, those start batteries topped off

1125
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 2: and that therefore I can run a refrigerator pretty much

1126
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 2: all the time. I have one running out here continuously

1127
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 2: through the summer, and it only has one battery because

1128
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 2: it has a good solar panel, and when it's out

1129
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 2: there sitting the solar panels just running the fridge essentially. Now,

1130
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 2: if I want in our other trucks. We run a

1131
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 2: lot more robust power systems because we're doing a lot

1132
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 2: more with them. We're running in one of our trucks,

1133
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 2: we're running two refrigerators, and in the other truck we're

1134
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 2: charging all of our camera gear for our production to

1135
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 2: make our show. That's drone batteries and cameras and go

1136
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 2: pros and all kinds of stuff. We do not rely

1137
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 2: on the start battery for that. We just keep the

1138
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 2: start battery for that it's original function, and then we

1139
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 2: put in secondary house batteries in the back of the

1140
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 2: truck to run everything else. Got it. That's its own

1141
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 2: podcast in itself at some point because it is so

1142
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 2: you can get really into the weeds on how to

1143
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 2: do that, but ultimately you need just need. The takeaway

1144
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 2: is you need power to run a refrigerator, and you

1145
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 2: need to be able to supplement the power or charge

1146
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 2: it in some way. So how you decide to do

1147
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 2: that is up to you. And like your habits, what

1148
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 2: you're trips look like.

1149
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: Would you ever, because I know some fellas that I

1150
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: used to guide elk hunting, and they would drive out

1151
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: from the Midwest or even as far as Pennsylvania all

1152
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 1: the way that to Colorado, and they would actually have

1153
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: a trailer, sometimes in clothes, sometimes open, and they would

1154
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,919
Speaker 1: just have their regular old, you know, three or four

1155
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 1: hundred dollars deep freeze and they would running off a

1156
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:27,439
Speaker 1: generator and basically they would just when it was time

1157
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: to go home, stack all their elk meat in there,

1158
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 1: you know, turn on the generator, get that thing frozen.

1159
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: And it doesn't have to stay on because obviously you could.

1160
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 1: You can have an insulative freezer and turn it off

1161
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 1: and even on a hot day in September, it can

1162
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: probably make it i don't know, ten twelve hours, and

1163
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: then they would just start it back the generator back

1164
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 1: up again and then and cool it back off. Is

1165
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: that Do you guys ever run generators like that for power?

1166
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 2: We used to run generators back in the day, but now,

1167
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 2: I mean, we haven't run generators since like twenty seven

1168
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:03,439
Speaker 2: teen or something like that, because the power systems got

1169
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 2: so efficient with solar and the batteries got so good,

1170
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 2: especially once lithium came on the on the on the scene,

1171
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 2: that we haven't needed generators now. It is probably one

1172
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 2: of your cheapest, most versatile ways of keeping power to

1173
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 2: your systems. You're a thousand bucks into a generator and

1174
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 2: the gas to keep them running, and and but then

1175
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 2: you have all the trade offs. You got to carry fuel,

1176
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 2: you got to monitor them, and then obviously the noise.

1177
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 2: It's just it's another thing. It's another engine that you

1178
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 2: need to maintain. But there's nothing wrong with it. It

1179
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 2: works great.

1180
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: It's just probably it's it's heavy, it takes up more room.

1181
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 1: I'm guessing then some of these solar systems, right.

1182
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. And it's certainly more cost effective to run

1183
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 2: generators once you get into solar lithium batteries, the battery

1184
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 2: management controllers, it's not a cheap endeavor. That's where it's

1185
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 2: really built towards full time overland vehicles, because you're using

1186
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 2: them in that function or in that capacity all the time.

1187
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 2: It pays off. But there are simpler systs like the

1188
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 2: Goal zero systems. You know, you get to camp, you

1189
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 2: got your Goal zero battery bank in the back, and

1190
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 2: then it has a solar panel that you walk out

1191
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 2: into the yard and you put it down on the

1192
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 2: ground and plug it into that. There are now very

1193
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 2: good solutions on the cheaper end that would allow you

1194
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 2: to not have to use a generator.

1195
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 4: Is there.

1196
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 1: Let's just say for the guy's trying to do this

1197
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 1: on the cheap. But you got me really interested in

1198
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 1: going fridge versus cooler, And I'm thinking, man, there's a

1199
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: lot of applications for this. I like the idea that

1200
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 1: I don't have to keep the ice in there, so

1201
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 1: I can probably because now a lot of times I

1202
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 1: go camping with my family, I'm running minimum two coolers,

1203
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 1: maybe three, you know, because I'll have a cooler just

1204
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 1: full of beer and drinks, so it takes up a

1205
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 1: lot of space, it's heavy. So you got me interested

1206
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: in the fridge thing. Like, what would be the absolute

1207
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 1: like cheapest way for the guy that's like, yeah, I'm

1208
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 1: gonna do three to four camping trips, plus I got

1209
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 1: a one or two hunting trips that I could see

1210
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: myself using this on. What's the way to like get

1211
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 1: out there and have a fridge kind of system going,

1212
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 1: even if I had to take generator or it'd be bigger, heavier, whatever,

1213
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 1: What's like the cheapest way to enter into fridge world?

1214
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say your Goal zero or equivalent. There's

1215
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 2: other companies out there too, It's not just Goal zero.

1216
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 2: There's Jackerie, there's a few others. Do your research on

1217
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 2: what power bank box that you would want start there,

1218
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 2: have a solar option to charge it, and then your

1219
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,439
Speaker 2: fridge is going to be I mean, there's a wide

1220
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 2: range of We love National Lunas there out of South Africa.

1221
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 2: They are probably the best bank for the buck. Dometic

1222
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 2: makes a good fridge. Arbi off Road makes a good fridge.

1223
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 2: There's a bunch out there and that those will all

1224
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 2: plug into that twelvel battery bank from whoever you buy from.

1225
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 2: That is the best way to go. If you're going

1226
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 2: to use it constantly out of your one truck, then

1227
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 2: getting into a fixed system where the fridge lives there

1228
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 2: all the time would be your next step. And if

1229
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 2: you know that that's just the way you want to

1230
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 2: use it, then maybe you go right off to a

1231
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 2: secondary battery or an upgraded battery in your vehicle with

1232
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 2: a solar panel that's connected to your truck full time.

1233
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 2: That will run your fridge in the vehicle full time.

1234
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 2: The beauty of the Jackery and the Goal zero system

1235
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 2: is you could build a base camp essentially that doesn't

1236
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 2: rely on the vehicle being there because the power source

1237
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 2: and the sun, and the fridge can live anywhere outside

1238
01:07:56,680 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 2: of the vehicle. It's its own system. So there's advantages

1239
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 2: to that. Are there?

1240
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 1: Then fridges that don't have to be attached inside your truck.

1241
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 1: You can just kind of treat it almost like a cooler,

1242
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 1: just in and out of the bed. Yeah, all of

1243
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 1: them would function that way. Oh yeah, when you start

1244
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 1: mounting them in the truck, you're looking at how to

1245
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 1: try to keep like all of ours are mounted permanently

1246
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 1: in our vehicles, but they're they're put on crazy systems.

1247
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:31,640
Speaker 1: They're on what we call fridge slides. So it's a

1248
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 1: drawer system that slides that fridge out from the back

1249
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 1: of your truck over the top of the tailgate or

1250
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 1: wherever you're using it, so it's easy to reach into.

1251
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 1: We have fridge stove slides so that the fridge slides

1252
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 1: out and then underneath that the stove slides out and

1253
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 1: you're cooking and have your refrigerator all right there, and

1254
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 1: then when you're done, it all just folds and goes

1255
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 1: right back into the truck like a drawer system. They're insane.

1256
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: It's oh so nwee, I got it. When you come

1257
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 1: back I gotta come visit you just so I can

1258
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 1: see one of these things anytime. We got all kinds

1259
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 1: of them. So, yeah, we are getting into mounting those

1260
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 1: fridges because that's the that's where we've decided we're going

1261
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: to use that tool all the time, and so we

1262
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 1: make it even better for us by permanently mounting it.

1263
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 1: Those same fridges can be used sitting inside of a

1264
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 1: tent or a wall tint with a jackery and a

1265
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: solar panel outside. It would still function the same. Oh man,

1266
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:34,639
Speaker 1: you got me intrigued on the fridge deal. Probably I'm

1267
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 1: probably gonna be intrigued until I see the price tag. Okay, well,

1268
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 1: without going into price, but one last question on the

1269
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 1: fridge is do they have one big enough that you

1270
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 1: could get elt quarter into?

1271
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 2: Yes? Okay, wow, I think uh National Luna does they

1272
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:56,640
Speaker 2: have one that is just humongous? You would have to

1273
01:09:56,680 --> 01:10:00,040
Speaker 2: bone it to some degree. Okay, but but yeah, I

1274
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 2: would fit in there. Yeah.

1275
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:04,680
Speaker 1: I think in that situation, if you're really you know,

1276
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 1: off off the grid that far and you're like, you

1277
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 1: have to get your meat cool, I usually don't like

1278
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 1: to dbone by me, I think in that scenario, so

1279
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 1: you could keep stay out there and keep hunting for

1280
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 1: the other people in the party that I'd gladly debone

1281
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 1: it and just stick it into that thing.

1282
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 2: That's slick, man. Yeah, there's there's some pretty cool applications

1283
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:28,679
Speaker 2: towards the hunting lifestyle with a lot of this stuff.

1284
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 1: All right, we're saving an organization to last. Uh touch

1285
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 1: on lighting real quick, any anything like specific you like?

1286
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 1: That's that something that you use maybe that most people

1287
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 1: like don't know about, like a special lantern or I

1288
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 1: don't know, like we're I'm using some kind of some

1289
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 1: form of LED rechargeable lantern these days? Is that the

1290
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:51,719
Speaker 1: program you're onto?

1291
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's still the easiest point of entry into good

1292
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 2: lighting is the twelve old USB rechargeable stuff. It's man,

1293
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 2: it's got and so good, you know, over the last

1294
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 2: five years. Beyond that, you get into fixed lighting that

1295
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 2: you would tap into your vehicle's electrical system that allows

1296
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 2: you to have long term running lights that are often

1297
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 2: much brighter. So we use like National Luna touch lights

1298
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 2: a lot. We use rigid lights. They have some smaller

1299
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 2: what they call their pod lights that we can put

1300
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 2: in certain locations. They're usually really bright and you can

1301
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 2: get them diffused or spot or whatever. There's all kinds

1302
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 2: of choices and even in different colors. But the National

1303
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 2: Luna I ought to look it up what it is,

1304
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:40,920
Speaker 2: but it's just a touchpad switch and you can turn

1305
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 2: them to red or white and with three or four

1306
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 2: different dim settings and you can put that. Our goal

1307
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:50,679
Speaker 2: is to always be able to operate our galley systems

1308
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 2: in our camp sites without a headlamp. We still use headlamps,

1309
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 2: but that's the idea. And there's a time when that's

1310
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 2: appropriate and when that's not appropriate. When you're around a

1311
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 2: lot of the campers, you don't want to look like

1312
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 2: the lunar lander, you know, there with everything lit up

1313
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 2: and annoying everybody. There's a time and place for courtesy,

1314
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 2: you know, where you just use your head lamp and

1315
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, you know, crowding other people with your light.

1316
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 2: Let them have their experience.

1317
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you still want to be able to see the stars, right,

1318
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 1: you like to place up too much? The stars get

1319
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 1: kind of dim.

1320
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. One of my favorite little UH lanterns was the

1321
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 2: UH the snow Peak lanterns. They even have some of

1322
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 2: them even have like a candle flicker function. Oh yeah, yeah, romanic, romantic. Yeah,

1323
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:41,719
Speaker 2: you and the boys out there with the flickering snowpeak lantern.

1324
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 2: But you know, it can create a good ambiance, you know,

1325
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:46,679
Speaker 2: when you're looking for that type of experience. It just good.

1326
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 1: Depends on what you're going for. It's all out there, okay,

1327
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 1: last but not least organization and in there too. Jordan

1328
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 1: wrote down water can containers. That's that's a good thing

1329
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 1: to cover off on. Let's just do that too right

1330
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 1: now at jordan souse. That's kind of that's related to

1331
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 1: food and all that stuff.

1332
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, water is a it's a thing, you know, So

1333
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 2: it's tricky. Yeah, so we like the you know, the

1334
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 2: go to is the the the scepter Jerry cans, and

1335
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:32,600
Speaker 2: that's what the military. It's a staple inside the military.

1336
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 2: You know. They're five gallons, they're really tough. They've made

1337
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 2: their food grade plastic and they work great. You can

1338
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 2: buy the cheaper stuff at like Walmart and things like

1339
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 2: collapsible bins and all that. They typically fall apart at

1340
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 2: the worst time and leave you stranded. So water is

1341
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 2: such an essential part to a good camping experience that

1342
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:00,680
Speaker 2: I would say, don't go cheap, don't go down the

1343
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 2: cheapest route, because it'll just leave you frustrated because the

1344
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 2: plastics are bad and they break easily, and then that'll

1345
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 2: that'll make you have to go home. You know. Another

1346
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 2: great one out there right now is Domatic. Just came

1347
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 2: out with their to see what it's called, but it's

1348
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 2: a it's a jerry can of sorts that they hook

1349
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 2: up a USB twelve OL pump two that you turn

1350
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 2: on and off with your finger touch so sensitive to

1351
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 2: your finger like your phone is, and you can turn

1352
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 2: on the pump, turn off the pump, and it charges

1353
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:39,759
Speaker 2: by USB. Awesome. They're really awesome. If you're looking for

1354
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 2: water filtration. At the same time, there is life Saver

1355
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 2: jerry cans that are really cool. They you can put

1356
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 2: in water that you need to filter and then as

1357
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 2: you use it out of the jerry can, it filters

1358
01:14:56,400 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 2: it in place. So if you use one of those,

1359
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 2: just heads up you need to keep the filter wet

1360
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 2: at all times and never let them freeze because you know,

1361
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 2: just like any water filtration, don't let it freeze. It

1362
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 2: breaks the filters and it's not doing its job anymore.

1363
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 2: So and then that one you don't want it to

1364
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 2: go dry, so you need to keep a little bit

1365
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 2: of water in that once you start using them, they

1366
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 2: need to stay wet all the time to keep that

1367
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 2: filter happy so they they get there really cool too.

1368
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 1: And I'm guessing that yours in your overland rigs, the

1369
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 1: water the jerry can's probably attached somehow, or there's a slide,

1370
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 1: and it's probably in a position where you can just

1371
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:41,600
Speaker 1: open a valve and have water coming out right like.

1372
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 1: You're not taking jerry can out sticking it on a

1373
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 1: stump like I do in my camp.

1374
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 2: Sometimes we are like CBI off road makes the jerry

1375
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 2: can holder that sits on the back and until the

1376
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:56,599
Speaker 2: front runner. There's another cool jerry can. There's a front

1377
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 2: runner jerry that has a spiket on the bottom of it,

1378
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 2: and it can sit inside of a carrier and then

1379
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 2: you know, it's like the gut pot if you recall those,

1380
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 2: you know you can just go up to it and

1381
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:11,680
Speaker 2: fill it up right off the carrier right there. You

1382
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:13,599
Speaker 2: never have to move it, which is as we get

1383
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 2: into our storage and organization, if you never have to

1384
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 2: move anything to use something, then it's been done right.

1385
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 2: And water is one of those things. It's always moving

1386
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 2: it to where you need it. Our more advanced systems

1387
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:37,599
Speaker 2: are twelve olt pump systems that store the big tanks

1388
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 2: underneath trucks and we put the spicket right where we

1389
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 2: need it all the time, and then it's just done.

1390
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 2: You know. But these are built into full time overland

1391
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 2: vehicles typically designed for that function.

1392
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 1: So again for just for our listeners, you know you're

1393
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:01,839
Speaker 1: going out hunting for the weekend or camping for the weekend,

1394
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 1: just Jerry can't slid into the back of the truck

1395
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 1: and then just slide it out and place it somewhere

1396
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 1: on a stump? Is that Is that still the best method?

1397
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:18,720
Speaker 2: Still? That's definitely the most resilient. It's the toughest. It's

1398
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:22,640
Speaker 2: it's a dumb system and it just works. Sure to

1399
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 2: start going past that, you're getting into systems that kind

1400
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 2: of that sometimes get complicated to make it work. It's

1401
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 2: just funny how it's like a you know, plumbing is

1402
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:36,799
Speaker 2: a thing even in cars.

1403
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, how uh, how do you calculate how much

1404
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 1: water you need to carry?

1405
01:17:56,360 --> 01:18:01,760
Speaker 2: Uh experience? I suppose to some degree depends on the

1406
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:04,519
Speaker 2: time of year, Like in the winter, we go through

1407
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 2: a lot less water in the in the cooler months.

1408
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 2: In the summer months, obviously we're drinking a lot more.

1409
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 2: But then the dishes scenario, if you're using this water

1410
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:20,840
Speaker 2: for dishes, you're just adding half a gallon of water

1411
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 2: per person per day for dishes, just to help understand

1412
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 2: how much you should have for that. And then that,

1413
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:32,640
Speaker 2: I mean, that's got a lot of conservation built into it.

1414
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 2: That's probably twenty percent over what you actually need. But

1415
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 2: then you're not left without water, which is like we

1416
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 2: said earlier, that's something that will cause you to go home.

1417
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:46,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, one hundred. So I mean, do you I mean,

1418
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 1: but do you have like a rough number in your

1419
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 1: head where you're like, oh, me and the family are

1420
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 1: going out for the weekend summertime camping in Montana? Five

1421
01:18:57,400 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 1: gallons is gonna do it? Or is it like a

1422
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 1: like a number per day? You're like a gallon per

1423
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 1: day per person. If it's just me over the weekend,

1424
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 1: a five gallon, Jerry, I can I can rock that

1425
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:09,880
Speaker 1: all the time?

1426
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, especially if I take like a paper plate

1427
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:17,760
Speaker 2: or two, you know, to manage dishes. If it's my

1428
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:24,679
Speaker 2: family of five, twenty gallons over the weekend is more

1429
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:26,760
Speaker 2: than enough. I could even get by it. But that's

1430
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:30,040
Speaker 2: enough to like do a good heavy round of dishes

1431
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 2: and make sure everybody's watered really well. You know, what

1432
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 2: is the standard? Don't they say every person should be

1433
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:37,559
Speaker 2: drinking at least a gallon of water per day or

1434
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:41,599
Speaker 2: something like that. Anyway, So yeah, there's gonna be people

1435
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 2: out there that says, well, you gotta at least drink

1436
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 2: at least one gallon of water per day. I have

1437
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 2: not done that in the last thirty years. So that's

1438
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:52,920
Speaker 2: not me. I hope that's you, but that's not me.

1439
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:57,720
Speaker 2: That's just not realistic for me. In real life application, it.

1440
01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 1: Takes a lot of focus to put down a gallon

1441
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:05,519
Speaker 1: of water, even in a day of high exertion, like

1442
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 1: even a full day of hunting down to dusk, if

1443
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 1: you put down four quarts of water, I'm impressed.

1444
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. That's like you're paying attention to that. Yep. Yeah,

1445
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:22,599
Speaker 2: so water. The next thing is be able to get

1446
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:24,720
Speaker 2: more water while you're out there, so then you can

1447
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 2: get into filtration systems. We have robust twelve ol systems

1448
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 2: that filter water at like three gallons a minute, you know,

1449
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 2: because you can get into because probably most of the

1450
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 2: hunting world is using life straws to like MSR pump

1451
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:48,720
Speaker 2: systems or Catadine pump systems. Those weren't great for individuals

1452
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 2: in the field, but when you start talking about you know,

1453
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 2: I have a fifteen gallon water tank, Restalking that off

1454
01:20:55,360 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 2: your pump isn't very practical. So so guzzle H two

1455
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 2: O is a great little twelve volte system that will

1456
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 2: fill up bigger tanks. There's other ways that allow you

1457
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:14,559
Speaker 2: to filter off of pump twelve volte systems. Essentially that

1458
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 2: gets you to back up and run in with your

1459
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 2: water so they you can stay longer. Stuff that I

1460
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:24,520
Speaker 2: didn't even know existed.

1461
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, what about organizing, like trying especially? I think as

1462
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 3: we dive into water, you come into like a volume

1463
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 3: deal where it's just a lot of volume, a lot

1464
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:41,479
Speaker 3: to store, a lot of weight. How do you approach that?

1465
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:45,640
Speaker 3: Just your organization packing, Like for your Africa trip, your packing.

1466
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 2: Has to be dial it does, and our Africa trips,

1467
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 2: the big expeditions, we actually take less and less stuff.

1468
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 2: We have only the necessities. Just like a backcountry hunt

1469
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:01,280
Speaker 2: you really like, Yeah, you weigh every decision should I

1470
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:03,720
Speaker 2: have that even though we have really good trucks and

1471
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 2: they can haul weight. We make sure that we're factoring

1472
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 2: every ounce to pounds. What is it ounces equal pounds,

1473
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:15,160
Speaker 2: pounds equal pain. It's the same for a truck. It

1474
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 2: just creates more wear and tear on a vehicle, or

1475
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:20,599
Speaker 2: it causes you to be stuck more often or consume

1476
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:25,520
Speaker 2: more fuel. So those principles apply to the vehicle world.

1477
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, all of a sudden, I forgot your question.

1478
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:30,679
Speaker 2: What was your question?

1479
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:35,040
Speaker 3: Oh, just organization with all this stuff, Yeah, how do

1480
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 3: you go?

1481
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 2: Uro? So organization is huge. This is where most people's

1482
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 2: went any vehicle. Probably most of your frustration comes from

1483
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 2: if you're moving stuff to get to stuff that you

1484
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 2: need all the time, then it's organized wrong. So in

1485
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:55,840
Speaker 2: order to just like our homes and our garages, in

1486
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 2: order to make them functional, you really have to think

1487
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 2: through how they're set up up. So we use If

1488
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 2: the basic system is tubs, just a tub system. There's

1489
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 2: good and bad tubs out there. The rubber Maid tubs

1490
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 2: are probably the go to standard. The heavy duty ones,

1491
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:20,559
Speaker 2: the what do they call the packouts or something like that, Yeah,

1492
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:23,559
Speaker 2: those are those are great, but they're not great on

1493
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 2: utilization of space. We want we want really square uh,

1494
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:35,719
Speaker 2: packing cubes of sorts. Uh So, packing cubes in fabric

1495
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 2: is what goes inside of a lot of our cases.

1496
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 2: And then our cases that we love right now are

1497
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:45,400
Speaker 2: Alue boxes. We've used them for years. They're out of Denmark.

1498
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 2: They're just illumin they're they're like that James Bond case,

1499
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 2: that the chrome aluminum case, you know, but they're super lightweight,

1500
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 2: they are thin, and they do the job great. In

1501
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 2: the plastic version of that, there is the South African

1502
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 2: Ammo can and it's several companies have branded them different,

1503
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 2: but there's like the front Runner makes it. They call

1504
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 2: them their wolf packs. It's just a stackable, square, lightweight

1505
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 2: cube case that they're fantastic.

1506
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:27,360
Speaker 3: And they're extra burly latches.

1507
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, really good latches, and a lot of these are dustproof.

1508
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 2: If you want to go crazy, you get into pelicans.

1509
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:38,680
Speaker 2: But Pelican cases are oftentimes or far too they're too

1510
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 2: much of a case that you know, you're kind of

1511
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 2: wasting money and time, and they're not actually that great

1512
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:46,559
Speaker 2: on space either. Yeah.

1513
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 1: I was going to say they kind of fall into

1514
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:51,320
Speaker 1: that action pack or category of like you're just between

1515
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:53,800
Speaker 1: the handles and the buckles and the wheels. I feel

1516
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 1: like it's you're going to have a lot of air.

1517
01:24:56,720 --> 01:25:00,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and everything that they have to do to make

1518
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:02,559
Speaker 2: them crush proof and really strong and all the ribbing

1519
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 2: and reinforcements, that's what. It just eats up space. So

1520
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 2: that's why the then nash or the sorry, the alley

1521
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 2: boxes have just been a game changer for us. So

1522
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 2: that's loose storage. You can get into fixed storage well.

1523
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:24,400
Speaker 1: Real quick before we leave the loose storage. Yeah, just

1524
01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:27,639
Speaker 1: tell me, you know, very generally, how many of those

1525
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:30,640
Speaker 1: are in the back of the truck and sort of

1526
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 1: what grouping of gear is in each one. I don't

1527
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:35,800
Speaker 1: even know the details of what's what's in each one,

1528
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 1: but is it I don't know, is it a little

1529
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:41,680
Speaker 1: kitchen in one and then underwear and clothes and the

1530
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:43,760
Speaker 1: other one? But yeah, run me through what's in those?

1531
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 2: Yeah. So how we do our systems are all of

1532
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:51,960
Speaker 2: our clothes and personal equipment is in soft luggage because

1533
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 2: oftentimes it's up in the front of the cab or

1534
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 2: lives with us, or goes into hotels or you know,

1535
01:25:57,400 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 2: it's got to travel with you. So we use a

1536
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 2: Duffel bag. We use Vertex double bags for everything that

1537
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 2: we use when it comes to equipment for the trucks,

1538
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:12,040
Speaker 2: we have fixed organization and then mobile organization handheld stuff.

1539
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:15,040
Speaker 2: So that's where the allee boxes come in. That's the

1540
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:17,840
Speaker 2: portable We can take them in and out of the

1541
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 2: truck and put them where we need them in camp.

1542
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:23,759
Speaker 2: And then we have fixed organization, which is literally bolted

1543
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 2: to the vehicle inside the vehicle. So in the alley

1544
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:31,280
Speaker 2: boxes the portable stuff. We usually have a dry box.

1545
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:35,560
Speaker 2: That's where all of our dry food is stored. Your cereals,

1546
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 2: your granolas, your bread, bread boxes, things, tortillas, stuff, stuff

1547
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:45,320
Speaker 2: that doesn't need to be refrigerated, can't be crushed and

1548
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 2: needs to be moved a lot, So a lot of

1549
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 2: times we have a breakfast box because that's kind of

1550
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 2: its own unique group of foods. And then we have

1551
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 2: general food in other storage boxes past that, and then

1552
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:02,559
Speaker 2: we always have a galley box that's that comes out

1553
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:04,680
Speaker 2: and goes to wherever the kitchen's at. That's where our

1554
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 2: dinner plates are, cups in our things, that silverware, cutlery,

1555
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 2: cutting boards, that all sits in its own a galley

1556
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 2: box or two, just depends on the group size. And

1557
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:21,360
Speaker 2: then uh then we usually have long term storage stuff

1558
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:25,599
Speaker 2: like you might be putting some of your dehydrated reserve

1559
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 2: food in in those places. What else? And then and

1560
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:38,599
Speaker 2: then anything that needs to be portable and not used

1561
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 2: very often. We call that a deep six scenario, like

1562
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 2: you can be pushed all the way back to the

1563
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 2: bottom of something and hopefully you never have to get it,

1564
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 2: but if you need it, you need it. That would

1565
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 2: also be in that loose category. And then from there

1566
01:27:53,520 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 2: we get into fixed fixed assets of organization, and.

1567
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 3: That's got to be tough, like fixed trying to put

1568
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 3: something fixed space wise, and a small vehicle has got

1569
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 3: to be tough to figure out where to put it.

1570
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of good companies out there that

1571
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:15,639
Speaker 2: are helping with this. A lot of the hunter world

1572
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 2: and the shooting world might be familiar with, like truck Vault,

1573
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:22,720
Speaker 2: that sort of a drawer system that goes in the

1574
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:26,599
Speaker 2: back of an AICV bolts down to the back. There

1575
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:30,240
Speaker 2: are five or six different companies out there that build

1576
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:33,720
Speaker 2: systems like that. Goose Gear is probably the highest end

1577
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 2: light weight organization system there out of California. They came

1578
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 2: from building a lot of stuff for yachts and now

1579
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 2: they incorporated it into vehicle builds, so it's lightweight organization

1580
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:56,160
Speaker 2: utilizing drawer systems. Let's see, then there's decked. Decked makes

1581
01:28:56,200 --> 01:28:59,680
Speaker 2: a great system for the back of Tacomas and a

1582
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:04,080
Speaker 2: ton and all the probably the big bed manufacturers of

1583
01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:08,080
Speaker 2: the OEMs forwards Dodge everybody. They got to make them

1584
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:12,479
Speaker 2: for everybody, and that puts two good drawers under the bed.

1585
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:17,120
Speaker 2: There raises your truck beds platform and then puts two

1586
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 2: drawers underneath it, which is great because that way you

1587
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:22,720
Speaker 2: don't have to be reaching for something to get to something,

1588
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 2: and the drawer slides out, you access it and put

1589
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:26,440
Speaker 2: it back. They're fantastic.

1590
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:28,880
Speaker 1: Do you feel the one thing that's always getting me

1591
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 1: on those? And I've mostly just seen people with the deck,

1592
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 1: but when I see them, I feel like, for the

1593
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 1: room I see in each drawer there's two of them,

1594
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:41,720
Speaker 1: I'm always thinking there's kind of be a lot of

1595
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:45,920
Speaker 1: again air that's under that deck that's not being utilized

1596
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:47,720
Speaker 1: by those drawers. And I know that they have those

1597
01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:50,880
Speaker 1: little kind of corner compartments that I guess we would

1598
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:54,200
Speaker 1: fall under your sort of deep six category. But do

1599
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 1: you feel like over in general, those are a efficient

1600
01:29:57,479 --> 01:29:58,120
Speaker 1: use of space?

1601
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:06,439
Speaker 2: So there's a trade off here. There is there space

1602
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:12,679
Speaker 2: versus efficiency. If would you trade some of your space

1603
01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 2: to have things be always easily reached or accessed, and

1604
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 2: that all of us would say, well, you add to

1605
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 2: some degree, and so you're fine. What you're getting at

1606
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:23,639
Speaker 2: with the deck system there is that you're like, it's

1607
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:27,240
Speaker 2: kind of right on the line where it's not kind

1608
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:29,920
Speaker 2: of worth all that efficiency for the loss of space.

1609
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:34,240
Speaker 2: It's somewhere you know you're getting there. There are other

1610
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:38,959
Speaker 2: companies that are they get they just get more expensive ultimately,

1611
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:41,519
Speaker 2: because Decked has really built a system that is kind

1612
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:44,840
Speaker 2: of for the people that they've been able to figure

1613
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:47,000
Speaker 2: out how to mass produce it in a way that

1614
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:51,160
Speaker 2: keeps it very cost effective and pretty stink and functional

1615
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 2: for what it is, and you can go you can

1616
01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:57,200
Speaker 2: go past it and get better efficiencies out of it.

1617
01:30:57,200 --> 01:31:01,639
Speaker 2: It's just going to be more expensive. Got it Outback

1618
01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:06,439
Speaker 2: Solutions from ARB probably Goose Gear is you're probably your

1619
01:31:06,520 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 2: highest end and they have the way they've built their

1620
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:15,680
Speaker 2: systems maximizes all the space. But you'll you'll pay for

1621
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 2: it for that because it's so custom.

1622
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 1: Got it Jordan, any other questions on organization.

1623
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:29,720
Speaker 3: Man I don't think so, it's just like an ever

1624
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:30,559
Speaker 3: evolving thing.

1625
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 2: It seems like yep, yeah, finding the rub, identifying like

1626
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:38,599
Speaker 2: why am I always looking for this, and decide it

1627
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:40,720
Speaker 2: needs a new home. Where should it be? If I'm

1628
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:45,000
Speaker 2: getting things all the time, that's something that needs to

1629
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:47,120
Speaker 2: be close to me. And if it's something that I

1630
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 2: hope I rarely need or I only need once a day,

1631
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:52,840
Speaker 2: you put it further away, you know, and you deepsix it.

1632
01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:56,200
Speaker 2: And once you kind of get your rhythm and you're

1633
01:31:56,200 --> 01:32:01,320
Speaker 2: thinking through your organizational systems, your life gets so much

1634
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 2: better because it takes out all the drag and the

1635
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:07,920
Speaker 2: frustration of camp life out of your vehicle and turns

1636
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 2: it into something that's actually pretty stinking fun because you're like, man,

1637
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 2: this is working, this is cool, you know.

1638
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:17,640
Speaker 3: So yeah, and you have all that stuff too, and

1639
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:20,880
Speaker 3: it's in your vehicle, so like when you pull back

1640
01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:22,840
Speaker 3: up to the house, you basically just have your duffel

1641
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:24,599
Speaker 3: bag that you have to take in and then when

1642
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:26,720
Speaker 3: you're ready to go, you like toss your duffle bag

1643
01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:28,800
Speaker 3: in any other like little gear things you need, and

1644
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:29,599
Speaker 3: everything else.

1645
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:33,360
Speaker 2: Is exactly exactly. And on the organizational front, real quick,

1646
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:37,799
Speaker 2: I started leaving sooner on a weekend and then getting

1647
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:40,840
Speaker 2: back on a Sunday sooner so that I could prep

1648
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:44,640
Speaker 2: my next trip I spent. Instead of leaving later on

1649
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:47,200
Speaker 2: a Friday and staying longer on Sunday, I reversed it

1650
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:50,599
Speaker 2: so that I could prep my vehicle and my kit

1651
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:54,080
Speaker 2: so it was much easier to go earlier the next

1652
01:32:54,080 --> 01:33:00,559
Speaker 2: time because it was done, and that organizational system really helped.

1653
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:04,680
Speaker 1: I need to get I need to get better at that, man,

1654
01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:07,679
Speaker 1: because right now my organizational system is get it all

1655
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:10,880
Speaker 1: in there and then we drive and basically all I

1656
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:13,559
Speaker 1: have to think about is just make sure that the

1657
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:18,880
Speaker 1: kids snacks are accessible, and that's usually that's a small

1658
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:21,360
Speaker 1: cooler like between the two of them and the back seat.

1659
01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:24,280
Speaker 1: But also I like to at least keep one because

1660
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:26,400
Speaker 1: it's whatever you pack for them up there, it's not

1661
01:33:26,439 --> 01:33:28,200
Speaker 1: gonna be enough, so there has to be the cooler

1662
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:30,880
Speaker 1: that's accessible in the back of the truck too. But really,

1663
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:33,760
Speaker 1: once I get to camp, it's like everything has to

1664
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 1: come out. Yeah, but okay, last but not least, uh

1665
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:40,920
Speaker 1: you kind of you said we needed a good table

1666
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:44,240
Speaker 1: for a work surface for the kitchen, right, But for

1667
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:46,519
Speaker 1: most of us that are you know, car camping. You're

1668
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:51,800
Speaker 1: gonna have tables and chairs for you know, chilling, hanging out,

1669
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:56,040
Speaker 1: doing doing kitchen type stuff. So tell me where your

1670
01:33:56,040 --> 01:33:59,120
Speaker 1: head's at with like, like, are there specific tables you'll

1671
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:01,559
Speaker 1: like specific chain And I also want to know on

1672
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:04,040
Speaker 1: a chip like this, when you're going to Africa, you

1673
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:07,479
Speaker 1: just said that you're really deciding what has to be

1674
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:09,639
Speaker 1: there and whatnot. Are you going to skip a chair

1675
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:13,880
Speaker 1: altogether and just be sitting on one of your AMMO

1676
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:15,639
Speaker 1: cans or your alley boxes?

1677
01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually a little mix of both. So we

1678
01:34:18,479 --> 01:34:22,479
Speaker 2: have enough alley boxes that three of us can sit

1679
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:25,439
Speaker 2: on alley boxes and the rest of us have a chair.

1680
01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:32,240
Speaker 2: The last trip in the Nordic series last year was Norway, Scandinavia,

1681
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:35,200
Speaker 2: Faroe Islands and Iceland, and we took enough chairs for

1682
01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:37,800
Speaker 2: everybody and we ended up not using them all. It

1683
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:40,400
Speaker 2: was very rare that we were using all of them,

1684
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:45,519
Speaker 2: so we paired it down to five. And there's eight

1685
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:48,559
Speaker 2: eight of us on this trip, so every every night

1686
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:54,120
Speaker 2: will be musical chairs. Yeh, yep, a position of hierarchy

1687
01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:59,439
Speaker 2: within the camp. Yeah, because yeah, because there are they're

1688
01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:01,960
Speaker 2: naturally musical chairs. People are up doing this part of

1689
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:05,760
Speaker 2: that camp and of camp life, and oh he's doing dishes. Now,

1690
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:08,240
Speaker 2: Now there's a free chair because that guy just cooked.

1691
01:35:08,240 --> 01:35:11,160
Speaker 2: Now he's sitting, you know. And that just allows us

1692
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:14,519
Speaker 2: to pare down our chairs. But which is just ultimately

1693
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:17,519
Speaker 2: weight and more clutter. And what's your go to chair?

1694
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:21,280
Speaker 2: Right now? There's two good go to chairs. I really

1695
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:24,680
Speaker 2: like the front Runner chair that folds down, and my

1696
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:29,800
Speaker 2: favorite camp chair is the easy On Canine chair. They're

1697
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:32,800
Speaker 2: out of South Africa as well. And then if you

1698
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:38,759
Speaker 2: want to go like really lightweight, that arii he Lnox

1699
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:42,479
Speaker 2: style fold up chair is pretty tough to beat too,

1700
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:44,800
Speaker 2: especially for space and weight.

1701
01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:47,760
Speaker 3: Nemo makes some really good ones now too that are

1702
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:51,120
Speaker 3: like the Stargazer chair and they fold down really small

1703
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:54,599
Speaker 3: and they're like a pretty like recliner type chairs, kind

1704
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:54,880
Speaker 3: of cool.

1705
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 2: If a chair is going to be big, it has

1706
01:35:57,080 --> 01:35:59,960
Speaker 2: to be worth it. There's a lot of big crap

1707
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:03,040
Speaker 2: chairs out there, and so if that's the case, I'd

1708
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:06,840
Speaker 2: rather take a much more smaller, lightweight compact chair. That's yeah,

1709
01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:08,320
Speaker 2: I might have to fold it up, but it just

1710
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:11,240
Speaker 2: goes away. So that's kind of where I'm at on chairs. Yeah,

1711
01:36:11,240 --> 01:36:16,240
Speaker 2: it either has to be really good or lightweight. Tables

1712
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:20,680
Speaker 2: in the overland space has been like one of the

1713
01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:24,240
Speaker 2: great debates, like who makes the best table? You know,

1714
01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:27,280
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of different people people that make

1715
01:36:27,320 --> 01:36:31,479
Speaker 2: a good table, But your cheapest entry table is the

1716
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:33,759
Speaker 2: lifetime table at Walmart.

1717
01:36:34,479 --> 01:36:38,600
Speaker 1: Oh thirty bucks. Oh, like just the plastic with the

1718
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:39,839
Speaker 1: folding metal legs.

1719
01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:42,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's for the money and the

1720
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:44,800
Speaker 2: top and the cost. It's pretty tough to beat.

1721
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:47,519
Speaker 3: They're big, and they make ones that fold hast now.

1722
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're pretty awesome that you know, can't go wrong.

1723
01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:54,639
Speaker 2: There nothing wrong with that. And different sizes too. Yeah.

1724
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:57,559
Speaker 1: So I got mine at Costco. I think it's the

1725
01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:00,719
Speaker 1: same thing. It's a plastic table right with mettle legs

1726
01:37:01,200 --> 01:37:01,839
Speaker 1: with legs.

1727
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:05,480
Speaker 2: Here's the thing about tables, when you're back to the organization,

1728
01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:08,439
Speaker 2: a table is typically the thing that gets put on

1729
01:37:08,479 --> 01:37:10,479
Speaker 2: the very bottom. But it's the thing that you need

1730
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:15,599
Speaker 2: very at first. So when you get your tables dialed,

1731
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:20,000
Speaker 2: we have them slid under roof racks in channels. We

1732
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:22,559
Speaker 2: have them placed perfectly in the truck so that it's

1733
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:24,439
Speaker 2: the first thing to come out and the last thing

1734
01:37:24,479 --> 01:37:28,559
Speaker 2: to go in. Because otherwise you're setting stuff down in

1735
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:30,760
Speaker 2: the mud, or you're having to clear things out to

1736
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:33,439
Speaker 2: set things there to get the table out there, we

1737
01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:35,799
Speaker 2: are back to having to move stuff to get to stuff.

1738
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:40,479
Speaker 2: So tables are one of those things if you can

1739
01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:42,240
Speaker 2: find a good spot where you can get to them

1740
01:37:42,240 --> 01:37:45,439
Speaker 2: first and put them away last year winning And that's

1741
01:37:45,479 --> 01:37:48,799
Speaker 2: why you get into more of the advanced, more Gucci

1742
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:52,639
Speaker 2: tables like from alue Cab or easy On or front Runner.

1743
01:37:52,680 --> 01:37:56,320
Speaker 2: They all make tables that slide into or under roof

1744
01:37:56,439 --> 01:38:01,080
Speaker 2: racks or in channels that you know because you have

1745
01:38:01,120 --> 01:38:03,720
Speaker 2: all the space under roof racks usually, so all of

1746
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:07,000
Speaker 2: our tables are outside under a roof rack. You just

1747
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:09,639
Speaker 2: get to camp, flip the latch and slide that table

1748
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:10,800
Speaker 2: out and you set a table up.

1749
01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:13,960
Speaker 1: And could you get a like a system that would

1750
01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:18,240
Speaker 1: hold something simple like a lifetime table in that same position,

1751
01:38:18,439 --> 01:38:19,920
Speaker 1: or if you're going to go that route, you're going

1752
01:38:19,960 --> 01:38:21,840
Speaker 1: to have to have a fancy table that goes with

1753
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:24,960
Speaker 1: that storage system.

1754
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:26,920
Speaker 2: More than like, I mean, you could diy something I'm sure.

1755
01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:30,120
Speaker 2: The problem is is that if you're going to put

1756
01:38:30,200 --> 01:38:33,360
Speaker 2: them under roof racks, that clearance is so small that

1757
01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:36,679
Speaker 2: you've got to get into really thin, lightweight, strong tables

1758
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:38,960
Speaker 2: to fit there. If you're going to put them on

1759
01:38:39,080 --> 01:38:41,760
Speaker 2: top of a roof rack, well then that's just up

1760
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:44,880
Speaker 2: to you on your space allocation. You could strap them

1761
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:47,639
Speaker 2: on up there. There's I could think of a few

1762
01:38:47,640 --> 01:38:50,880
Speaker 2: ways that you could have an l channel of some

1763
01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:53,760
Speaker 2: kind and bolted to the top of a rack and

1764
01:38:54,000 --> 01:39:03,200
Speaker 2: utilize the space up top. When it comes to like

1765
01:39:04,040 --> 01:39:08,160
Speaker 2: tacomas and truck beds and all that, that gets tough

1766
01:39:08,200 --> 01:39:10,600
Speaker 2: with a topper on it, it's a find of a

1767
01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:14,400
Speaker 2: spot for a table, right, there's just no they're a thing.

1768
01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:16,519
Speaker 2: They're big, they're bulky, but you need them.

1769
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:18,840
Speaker 1: But if you just had one of those basic like

1770
01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:22,519
Speaker 1: what do they call it, like a cargo rack type setup,

1771
01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:24,880
Speaker 1: which I think is still a thing. I've been actually

1772
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:27,599
Speaker 1: thinking about that lately because on this on this latest

1773
01:39:27,680 --> 01:39:30,360
Speaker 1: camping trip we did, I pulled out an old Touli

1774
01:39:30,439 --> 01:39:33,120
Speaker 1: box and I thought, oh, I'll just put my lightweight

1775
01:39:33,160 --> 01:39:35,840
Speaker 1: stuff in there and it'll work. And it did, but

1776
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:38,599
Speaker 1: it's still kind of it's not. It just didn't seem

1777
01:39:38,640 --> 01:39:40,840
Speaker 1: like a great use of space, like the Turkey decoys

1778
01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:43,160
Speaker 1: kind of fitting there, and the tents and the you

1779
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:46,240
Speaker 1: can't put anything too heavy in there, so tent sleeping bags,

1780
01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:48,680
Speaker 1: turkey decoys. I think that was about all that made it.

1781
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:51,280
Speaker 1: But I just remember thinking like if I just had

1782
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:54,680
Speaker 1: a rack that was whatever the width of my my

1783
01:39:54,840 --> 01:39:58,920
Speaker 1: topper and six or seven feet long, I think I

1784
01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:01,080
Speaker 1: could just I could put a table in there. I

1785
01:40:01,080 --> 01:40:03,559
Speaker 1: could throw all my duffels up there and just run

1786
01:40:03,600 --> 01:40:06,400
Speaker 1: some straps over the top and call it good, and

1787
01:40:06,439 --> 01:40:10,080
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be contained to the shape of that the

1788
01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:13,400
Speaker 1: old TOOLI box is a rack just a thing where

1789
01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:15,400
Speaker 1: you can just put a rack up there and kind

1790
01:40:15,400 --> 01:40:17,559
Speaker 1: of throw whatever you want for sure.

1791
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:20,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, racks are a big thing, especially in the overland world,

1792
01:40:20,240 --> 01:40:23,200
Speaker 2: because we need more space, right, we don't have enough.

1793
01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:26,519
Speaker 2: It really comes from the expedition side where and hunting

1794
01:40:27,200 --> 01:40:29,719
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways falls into that expedition space

1795
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:32,520
Speaker 2: requirement because you got all this stuff that is required

1796
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:35,240
Speaker 2: to do the thing, right, like the decoys. Yeah, you're

1797
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:38,559
Speaker 2: not just camping anymore, right, Yeah, Yeah, So a roof

1798
01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:42,759
Speaker 2: rack really comes into play much more over. The rocket

1799
01:40:42,760 --> 01:40:45,200
Speaker 2: boxes and the tooley boxes and those are great for

1800
01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:48,640
Speaker 2: you know, very specific application, but they do kind of

1801
01:40:49,080 --> 01:40:52,360
Speaker 2: quickly run into their limitations. They're nice because they're clothes

1802
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:54,519
Speaker 2: and the lid flips up and you can grab the stuff,

1803
01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:58,639
Speaker 2: but past that it's kind of uh, you need more space.

1804
01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:01,640
Speaker 2: So a roof rack is is absolutely a thing. We

1805
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:06,680
Speaker 2: use easy On from a company called Equipped Expedition Outfitters

1806
01:41:06,720 --> 01:41:09,479
Speaker 2: out of Salt Lake. We've worked with them for fifteen years.

1807
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:14,040
Speaker 2: They're super good. Love their racks. Prince u Rax out

1808
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:20,240
Speaker 2: of Idaho through CBI, they're really good. ARB makes good

1809
01:41:20,320 --> 01:41:24,840
Speaker 2: rack systems, front Runner makes good rack systems, and a

1810
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:29,880
Speaker 2: lot of these companies have tied down systems that allow

1811
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:33,519
Speaker 2: you to put all kinds of different things inside their channels.

1812
01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:35,400
Speaker 2: Roof racks have come a long way in the last

1813
01:41:35,439 --> 01:41:40,240
Speaker 2: five years. Yeah. So once you go down that rabbit

1814
01:41:40,280 --> 01:41:42,759
Speaker 2: hole of the roof racks, you'll be there for a while.

1815
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:46,479
Speaker 2: But it's pretty awesome what's available now. Dude, you you've

1816
01:41:46,479 --> 01:41:48,000
Speaker 2: given me so many rabbit holes.

1817
01:41:48,200 --> 01:41:50,880
Speaker 1: I've got rabbit holes for the next year after Hey,

1818
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:52,920
Speaker 1: after chatting with you twice.

1819
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:56,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you can really go crazy with oh man,

1820
01:41:56,840 --> 01:41:58,760
Speaker 3: you can go crazy with the systems, or you can

1821
01:41:58,840 --> 01:42:01,000
Speaker 3: keep them liked. Pretty simple, yep, yep.

1822
01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:04,120
Speaker 2: So there's there's a you know, we love to bolt

1823
01:42:04,160 --> 01:42:07,640
Speaker 2: things on and carry a bunch of stuff. But a

1824
01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:12,080
Speaker 2: good friend of mine, Scott Brady, a founder of Overland Journal, says,

1825
01:42:12,240 --> 01:42:14,080
Speaker 2: your truck has finished when you've taken the last thing

1826
01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:17,280
Speaker 2: you don't need off of it, you know. And uh,

1827
01:42:17,400 --> 01:42:19,280
Speaker 2: and that applies to so much of what we do, oh,

1828
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:22,320
Speaker 2: from the hunting world to like, Okay, that doesn't really

1829
01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:24,439
Speaker 2: need to be in my pack anymore, even though it's nice,

1830
01:42:24,439 --> 01:42:27,680
Speaker 2: it just doesn't need to be in my pack anymore. Yeah,

1831
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:31,320
Speaker 2: So that all applies here. But the good thing is

1832
01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:33,840
Speaker 2: is there's so many cool solutions out there for car

1833
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:36,559
Speaker 2: camping now that people are using him like we do

1834
01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:39,040
Speaker 2: to go around the world with their trucks, and they're

1835
01:42:40,479 --> 01:42:42,760
Speaker 2: that there's never been a better time in the in

1836
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:46,040
Speaker 2: the history of man to use your vehicle for getting

1837
01:42:46,040 --> 01:42:48,400
Speaker 2: out and exploring. Yeah, and it's cool.

1838
01:42:48,439 --> 01:42:50,760
Speaker 1: It's I hope that people listening don't think, oh, I

1839
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:53,640
Speaker 1: don't have you know, tens of thousands of dollars to

1840
01:42:53,720 --> 01:42:54,320
Speaker 1: dump into this.

1841
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:55,040
Speaker 2: You don't have to.

1842
01:42:55,120 --> 01:42:58,599
Speaker 1: You can start just so small, like like we were

1843
01:42:58,640 --> 01:43:03,080
Speaker 1: talking earlier, like literally tent and your basic camping stuff

1844
01:43:03,120 --> 01:43:05,840
Speaker 1: and a juggle water and a cooler and you're you've

1845
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:08,559
Speaker 1: got the beginnings of it, and then all this stuff

1846
01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:11,759
Speaker 1: you can just sort of dial in as you progress

1847
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:17,120
Speaker 1: through your your car camping uh uh, you know, experience,

1848
01:43:17,160 --> 01:43:21,000
Speaker 1: and then maybe you end up being an Overlander one day. Yeah,

1849
01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:26,599
Speaker 1: but cool Jordan, Yeah.

1850
01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:28,800
Speaker 3: Awesome, No, man, I don't have anything else. I mean

1851
01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:32,160
Speaker 3: there's tons of avenues we could go down, but it's

1852
01:43:32,200 --> 01:43:33,040
Speaker 3: probably enough for today.

1853
01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:35,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for your time, Clay. Clay, why don't you

1854
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:39,240
Speaker 1: take a minute and just plug X Overland. Tell everybody

1855
01:43:39,320 --> 01:43:42,479
Speaker 1: where they can find the content that you're making, that

1856
01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:45,439
Speaker 1: you're putting out there, that you guys are making. Gives

1857
01:43:45,439 --> 01:43:48,719
Speaker 1: a quick overview maybe of of what's what's been recent,

1858
01:43:48,840 --> 01:43:51,400
Speaker 1: like that Nordic trip, and then uh, you know when

1859
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:53,160
Speaker 1: when we can when we're gonna be able to watch

1860
01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:54,080
Speaker 1: the Africa stuff.

1861
01:43:54,720 --> 01:43:57,760
Speaker 2: Yeah sounds great. So thank thanks everybody for listening to

1862
01:43:57,760 --> 01:43:59,439
Speaker 2: what I have to say today. It's a privileged to

1863
01:43:59,439 --> 01:44:01,640
Speaker 2: be on the PODCA cast again, and thank you for

1864
01:44:01,680 --> 01:44:05,960
Speaker 2: the opportunity. You can find our stuff website Exoverland dot com.

1865
01:44:06,240 --> 01:44:09,400
Speaker 2: We have a YouTube channel just look up Expedition Overland.

1866
01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:12,519
Speaker 2: We also have a podcast called the X Overland podcast.

1867
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:14,880
Speaker 2: It talks all kinds of things about all of this

1868
01:44:14,920 --> 01:44:19,160
Speaker 2: stuff in depth. Then our primary job though is to

1869
01:44:19,160 --> 01:44:23,080
Speaker 2: shoot films, and so we tell stories of our big expeditions.

1870
01:44:24,080 --> 01:44:27,800
Speaker 2: Last was, as mentioned, the Nordic series Traveled. It just

1871
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:33,400
Speaker 2: came out on YouTube. It is Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland,

1872
01:44:33,680 --> 01:44:37,280
Speaker 2: the Faroe Islands and Iceland. And right now we just

1873
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:40,760
Speaker 2: sent trucks to Africa. We'll be shooting another ten part

1874
01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:45,000
Speaker 2: series this summer and that'll come out this January is

1875
01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:48,439
Speaker 2: our target. So winter, we're right when it's getting long

1876
01:44:48,720 --> 01:44:51,240
Speaker 2: in the tooth for winter. They'll have some new content

1877
01:44:51,320 --> 01:44:54,280
Speaker 2: coming out there for that, and we've got a bunch

1878
01:44:54,320 --> 01:44:57,960
Speaker 2: of other cool training opportunities and things coming around. Stay

1879
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:00,519
Speaker 2: tuned for other information on that right now, stuff I

1880
01:45:00,520 --> 01:45:04,599
Speaker 2: can't quite talk about just yet. But thanks for listening,

1881
01:45:04,640 --> 01:45:06,960
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on and I appreciate it. Guys. Yeah,

1882
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:08,439
Speaker 2: thank you, Clay. That was great.

1883
01:45:08,760 --> 01:45:13,000
Speaker 1: Thanks all right, folks, thanks for listening to another episode

1884
01:45:13,040 --> 01:45:17,200
Speaker 1: of the gear Talk podcast. Unfortunately, Jordan and I have

1885
01:45:17,200 --> 01:45:20,520
Speaker 1: a little bit of sad news. It's the last episode

1886
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:24,200
Speaker 1: of the current version of the gear Talk podcast.

1887
01:45:25,760 --> 01:45:26,479
Speaker 2: But don't worry.

1888
01:45:26,840 --> 01:45:28,400
Speaker 1: Jordan and I are going to continue to do a

1889
01:45:28,439 --> 01:45:33,519
Speaker 1: bunch of gear related content for Meat Eater, but it

1890
01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:37,920
Speaker 1: just turns out after eighteen nineteen episodes, it seems like

1891
01:45:37,960 --> 01:45:39,439
Speaker 1: the gear stuff needs to.

1892
01:45:39,400 --> 01:45:41,400
Speaker 2: Be a little more visual.

1893
01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:46,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, and even though it's good to listen about it,

1894
01:45:46,600 --> 01:45:51,120
Speaker 1: but it's better to listen and see. So stuff like

1895
01:45:51,240 --> 01:45:56,320
Speaker 1: gearshed and Jordan, you do you know videos going over gear.

1896
01:45:57,600 --> 01:45:59,920
Speaker 1: You don't really have like a name for your video,

1897
01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:03,840
Speaker 1: but you just do kind of gear review type videos, right.

1898
01:46:05,120 --> 01:46:07,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I just been doing that, like what do

1899
01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:11,040
Speaker 3: they call them, like a short form, And so we'll

1900
01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:12,439
Speaker 3: be doing more of that. We'll see if I can

1901
01:46:12,479 --> 01:46:16,920
Speaker 3: get my own little gear garage going or something something

1902
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:19,320
Speaker 3: like that to put a name to it. But yeah,

1903
01:46:19,680 --> 01:46:24,080
Speaker 3: it I think people there are some people that really

1904
01:46:24,160 --> 01:46:26,840
Speaker 3: like listening to this kind of thing, but there is

1905
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:30,519
Speaker 3: definitely a visual aspect to it that would add a

1906
01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:33,920
Speaker 3: lot to actually being able to see what the heck

1907
01:46:33,960 --> 01:46:37,360
Speaker 3: it is it we're talking about. So that's what we're

1908
01:46:37,360 --> 01:46:38,519
Speaker 3: gonna that's what we're gonna do.

1909
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:44,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, So thanks to everybody that's written in sent Us comments,

1910
01:46:44,760 --> 01:46:50,479
Speaker 1: sentus questions. It certainly helps to bring you the best

1911
01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:53,760
Speaker 1: content that you want when we get that kind of good,

1912
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:58,120
Speaker 1: good feedback, and it's been a huge help and continue

1913
01:46:58,160 --> 01:47:00,320
Speaker 1: to do so, you know, hit both your and an

1914
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:06,360
Speaker 1: eye up on our DMS on Instagram. Don't use the

1915
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:09,880
Speaker 1: Gear Talking email anymore, but yeah, DMS on Instagram is

1916
01:47:09,880 --> 01:47:14,599
Speaker 1: probably the best place to send in ideas about gear

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Speaker 1: related stuff that you want us to cover, and then

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Speaker 1: both of us can yeah make a little short form

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Speaker 1: videos covering off on that stuff. Like we're still both

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Speaker 1: gonna do some reviews on some soft shell jackets, some

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Speaker 1: soft shell pants. There's a bunch of a bunch of

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Speaker 1: stuff coming down the line. So yeah, just keep hanging

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Speaker 1: out on meat Eater and you'll be able to get

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Speaker 1: you'll find the gear content that you're looking for from

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Speaker 1: Jordan and I.

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Speaker 4: So thanks Jordan and all the questions, Yeah, all the

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Speaker 4: questions and everything that people have sent in that we

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Speaker 4: haven't covered yet, those are all saved and so we

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Speaker 4: will be pulling off of those as well to help

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Speaker 4: make videos to answer those questions.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it has been fun. Man.

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Speaker 1: That's right. You have now two podcasts under your belt.

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Speaker 1: I've got one under under my belt kind of too,

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Speaker 1: but the other one is really Steve's But anyways, it's

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Speaker 1: been fun to uh to do it with you. I

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Speaker 1: certainly learned a lot, especially these last couple of ones.

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Speaker 1: Uh talking about trucks. But uh yeah man, we'll uh we'll,

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Speaker 1: we'll keep at it. So yeah, don't fret if you're

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Speaker 1: out there, don't be too bummed out because you'll keep

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Speaker 1: getting the same great gear. Content from us is just

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Speaker 1: gonna look a little bit different. Yep.

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Speaker 3: Awesome, Thanks everybody,