1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Sanny and Samantha and welcome stuff I 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: never told you protectuld iHeart Radio. 3 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 2: I feel like we've been bringing. 4 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Back a lot of classics around fictional women around the World, 5 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: but we're doing it again. Do it because I recently 6 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: saw Thunderbolts slash the New Avengers in theaters and I 7 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: was like, you know what, we should bring back the 8 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: one we did on Contessa Valentina alegrad Dae Fontaine. Okay, yes, 9 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: and we did do one recently on Yelena Bolova and 10 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: I sat in there that I was like, I know, 11 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: we're going to have to update this one, and yes 12 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: we are. 13 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: Oh but that's going to be in the future. 14 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: We've got time for that for now, please enjoy this 15 00:00:58,480 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: classic episode. 16 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and. 17 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff I've never told your production of iHeartRadio. 18 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: So welcome to another episode of our segment, subsegment, sub 19 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: subsegment Fictional. 20 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 2: Women around the World. 21 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: And I'm going to start off right at the top 22 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: of spoilers. This is a spoiler alert for recent Marvel stuff. 23 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: Even telling you what it is would be a spoiler, 24 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: I think, But any recent Marvel thing not going in depths, 25 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: but the topic is self. Yeah, is kind of a 26 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: spoiler in fact, for Samantha who you have not seen 27 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: Black Widow yet, have you? 28 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 2: Oh? 29 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 3: No, I have not. 30 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: Yep. 31 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 4: It's very brief, it's very minor's not really giving too 32 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 4: much away. 33 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 2: So here's a pause. 34 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 4: You can come back later if you absolutely don't want 35 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 4: any spoilers of any kind. 36 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm leaving. Goodbye, Smantha. 37 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: You're actually obligated to be spoiled by men. 38 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 2: Okay. 39 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: For those who are still here today, we're talking about 40 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: Kintessa Valentina el Regra Daefontaine, who goes by Val often, 41 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: but she says don't call her val recently portrayed in 42 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: The Falcon in the Winter Soldier and Black Widow by 43 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: Julia Louis Dreyfus. Interesting to think that Black Widow was 44 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: supposed to come out first, so that should have been 45 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: our first introduction to her, but obviously things did play 46 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: out that way, so most people saw her in The 47 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: Falcon in the Winter Soldier first. Also, this character was 48 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: previously played by Lisa Rinna in the nineteen ninety eight 49 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: live action movie Nick Fury Asian of Shield, which I 50 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: have never heard of and I am shocked that this 51 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: exists and I didn't know it. 52 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if I've ever heard of this either, Yes. 53 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety eight. I gotta find this. I got to 54 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: seek this one out. So from what we've seen in 55 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: the Marvel Cinematic Universe or the MCU, I'm trying to 56 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: get better about assuming like not everyone knows everything about 57 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: the nerd stuff i'd talk about. She seems almost like 58 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: a chaotic, possibly evil version of Nick Fury, assembling a 59 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: sort of Dark Avengers or Gray Avengers maybe for a 60 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: mysterious organization that she works for. She certainly seems manipulative 61 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: and very clever. Playing on John Walker, who is kind 62 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: of the like no good Captain America from a Falcon 63 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: and Winter Soldier if you aren't sure who he is. 64 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: She said things to him like things are about to 65 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: get weird, so when they do, we're not going to 66 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: need a Captain America, We're gonna need a US Agent. 67 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: And yes, US Agent is a thing in the comics, 68 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: it's like an actual title. And Elena Belova's aka Black 69 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: Widowster Get Little Sister Valentina plays on her pain and 70 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: anger and isolation potentially a lying to both of them 71 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: to get them to do what she wants. She has 72 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: access to classified information. She knows, for instance, that Walker 73 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: took the serum to become a super Soldier and congratulates 74 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: him for doing it. She also knows that Clint Barton 75 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: was with Black Widow when she died. From what we know, 76 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: she seems ruthless and cynical. She tells John Walker she 77 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: would have killed the Flag Smashers too, and that he 78 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: would have been doing the US a favor to have 79 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: killed all of them. And yeah, the Dark Avengers are 80 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: a thing in the comics. They're pretty much what they 81 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 1: sound like, sort of the anti Avengers, Bizarrow Avengers. Like 82 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: every Avenger there's an evil version of that Avenger, Like 83 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: there's an evil version of the whole. 84 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 3: Is this like a multi universe thing? 85 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: No, No, they're I mean, like we've already been introduced 86 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: to some of them. 87 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 2: They exist in the same universe. They're just like an 88 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 2: evil team. 89 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 4: And they're like, literally, oh, that's the evil version of 90 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 4: the Hulk. 91 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: Oh that's the evil version of Spider Man. Like Venom 92 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 2: is a scorpion. 93 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: Oh anyway, yes, the opposite of your favorite Avengers. So 94 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: you've already got a dark Captain America and a dark 95 00:04:55,760 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: black widow. I guess some of Marvel's most infamous villain 96 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: ended up in this group. However, because of course things 97 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: are very complicated in these some people think that this 98 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: team is going to be more like the Thunderbolts instead, 99 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: which was a team of villains or one time villains 100 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: assuming new identities to fill a power vacuum left by 101 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: the Avengers. 102 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 2: And this team was originally led by Baron Zimo, who 103 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 2: is the villain. 104 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: In the Capts in America Civil War and in a 105 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: Falcon in the Winter Soldier kind of in the mysterious 106 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: non villain but kind of villain space. Most people know 107 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: him because he did that awkward dance that got looped forever. 108 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 2: It was good. Yeah, oh yeah, it was very good. 109 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: But so the Thunderbolts are often called maybe it's not 110 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: the Thunderbolt. One of them is often called, like this, 111 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: the Suicide Squad, like Marvel Universe's Suicide Squad. 112 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, gotcha, Okay, but there's apparently more stuff we know 113 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 3: from the comic books, and what a story it is. 114 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 3: As always, when we discuss such a huge and sprawling 115 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 3: universe and all over the place universe. These can get 116 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 3: messy to pen down, yes it does. That being said 117 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty seven is Strange Tales number one fifty nine, 118 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 3: created by writer and artist Jim Starranco in the comics 119 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 3: of Valentina claimed to be an Italian noble woman who 120 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 3: was trained in the world of espionage from a young age. 121 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 3: Familiar she rose up the ranks of Shield and all 122 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 3: the way up to deputy director under Nick Fury, who, 123 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 3: by the way, she had a relationship with. Okay, that 124 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 3: was new to know that. And it gets weirder. She 125 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 3: went on to secretly infiltrate Hydra, you know, the evil 126 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 3: organization that for those out of the loop, this part 127 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 3: I knew, becoming Madame Hydra, which is not how it 128 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 3: goes in the TV version. 129 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: It turns out, right though, Madam Hydra is like a title, 130 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: so multiple people have been Madame Hydra. But also I'm 131 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: pretty sure I just read while I was researching this 132 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: that yes, the show might not be canon anymore, so 133 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: I don't know. 134 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: They always things out of cannon. 135 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 3: Okay, what a weird turns out she's actually a Russian 136 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 3: triple agent who originally worked for Leviathan, a top secret 137 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 3: Soviet science and spy organization, before being recruited into Shield 138 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 3: as a sleeper agent and then Hydra Lord. One of 139 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 3: her main goals was helping Leviathan's leader recover the ability 140 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 3: to create superhumans. She convinced Hydra to steal a powerful 141 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 3: object called the Box and then stole it for Leviathan 142 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 3: before turning herself over and being imprisoned and then Italian 143 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,239 Speaker 3: Noblewoman Thing, an identity given to her and her family 144 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 3: by Leviathan. Leviathan recruited her as a child after her parents, 145 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 3: also Leviathan agents, were killed by Russian agents. 146 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: What. 147 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a mess, but she's clearly I'm smart, a 148 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 3: great liar and great at reading people, knows a lot 149 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 3: of languages, you know, the perfect combat and espionage agent. 150 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 3: And of course she fooled a nick a Fury. She 151 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 3: defeated him in hand to hand combat too, which you 152 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 3: know he's getting old. 153 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 2: End happened. 154 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: And I'm pretty sure this Leviathan revealed that she was 155 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: still working for Leviathan. 156 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 4: Happened in twenty twelve, kind of recently. I could be wrong, 157 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 4: but this was like an ongoing Wait, she's in Hydra. 158 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 4: Oh wait, she's a Leviathan the whole time. Yes, very messy, 159 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, relationship drama aside, So, when Valentina gets 160 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 4: jealous of Fury for flirting with an X, she flirts 161 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 4: with Steve Rogers aka Captain America, which gets her in 162 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 4: trouble with her superior at the time, Sharon Carter and 163 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 4: you can see our previous Fictional Women episode for more 164 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 4: about her, and Fury confronts Captain. 165 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 2: America about it. 166 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: Valentina apparently developed real, actual feelings for both Captain America 167 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: and Fury, to the point that Nick Fury essentially pushed 168 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: Captain America out of Shield because he didn't like what 169 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: was going on between him and Valentina. 170 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 2: This led to a fight between Fury and Captain America. 171 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: Valentina intervened and forced them to talk out and gone 172 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: to an understanding. Valentina got back with Fury, participating in 173 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: missions to protect him from assassination attempts. After she learned 174 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: that Fury had been for many years receiving supplements of 175 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: something called the Infinity Formula to prolong his life. She 176 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: finds the supplier blackmailing him by withholding the serum to 177 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: get the samples herself, and she does this without telling him. 178 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: After Fury disbanded Shield for being compromised, she hooked up 179 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: with shields Cia liaison. Then Fury restarted Shield, bringing Valentina 180 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: back into the agency. After Fury's partner at the time 181 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: was murdered and Valentina's left, the pair got back together. 182 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: The reason she gave her turning herself over with that 183 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: whole Leviathan thing was so that Fury would know where 184 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: to find her. And after helping the manipulating Hydra and 185 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: Leviathan into destroying each other, Fury freese Valentina from prison, 186 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: And I was like leaving a bunch of stuff out. 187 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: And yes, obviously there is a lot of problematic stuff 188 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: in all of that about her being Nick Fury's girlfriend, 189 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: cat fights over men, were sharing carter men fighting over women. 190 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: Often her costumes are hyper sexualized as well. Not all 191 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: the time, but sometimes I'm like, whoa where did. 192 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 2: This come from? 193 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 3: Did she make tostop? 194 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 2: Though I didn't see it too doot, but I saw 195 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 2: what looked like. 196 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 4: Kind of like a backless like spa leather bright shining 197 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 4: leather backliss like tight jumpsuit sort of thing, short. 198 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 2: Shorty exactly. That's interating. I can't answer these questions, all right. 199 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 3: Well, under Shield, Valentina joined a group called the Finn Force, 200 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 3: a group of top female Shield agents led by Sharon Carter. 201 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 3: Valentina served as the second in command to keep suspicions 202 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 3: off her. She did help out Shield a lot with 203 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 3: villains like Doctor Doom and Quartermain. She worked with heroes 204 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 3: like Daredevil and while under my Control, tried to cool 205 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 3: Spider Man in Black Widow Whoops. Some speculate that in 206 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 3: the MCU, this character is filling the role of another 207 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 3: Marvel character, Valerie Cooper, a government official who worked with 208 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 3: superhumans and was responsible for recruiting John Walker. Others have 209 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,359 Speaker 3: pointed out that in the comics her character was kidnapped 210 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 3: and impersonated as part of the Scroll invasion, something that 211 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 3: could be at play here, especially given the post credit 212 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,719 Speaker 3: scenes in the most recent Spider Man movie. 213 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, so the Scroll if you saw, like Captain Marvel 214 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: are the sort of reptilian alien race that can impersonate 215 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: other people, and. 216 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 2: I guess more spoilers, it. 217 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: Was kind of revealed that maybe not everyone is who 218 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: you think they are. 219 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 2: At the end of the most recent Spider Man movie that. 220 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: Some people are scrolls, so some people think that maybe 221 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: it's this going on. I personally have my doubts, but 222 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: it could be. It very well could be. So this 223 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: character kind of gives me this feeling, as does a 224 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: lot of phase for that it's a new world and 225 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: what it was when a lot of these heroes got 226 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: their start, and that we need to adapt, which in 227 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 1: some cases could be good and others could be bad. 228 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: The way she speaks sounds very that ends justify the 229 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: means to me. The business card she gives to John 230 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: Walker as a white side and a black side, perhaps 231 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: meaning she sees good and good and bad is like 232 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: ultimately the same, and or she is willing to cross 233 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: lines to be on whatever side is winning or search 234 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: her best at any given moment, or maybe she just 235 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: thought it looked cool. 236 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 2: It's possible that I'm reading too much into these things. 237 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: The writers have said that this character is going to 238 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: have a bigger part to play, so we'll see. And 239 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: speaking of Marvel Villains, definitely planning on coming back and 240 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: talking about Ravona Renslayer from Loki soon. I know probably 241 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: a lot of people have questions after that season finale 242 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: because it just got renewed. 243 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 2: So yeah, definitely, I'm ready. 244 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 3: Lots of things, all this. 245 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 2: So many things, Oh well, I ever get to them all. 246 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 3: That's a great question, Oh gosh is it is an 247 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 3: excellent question? 248 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: And listeners, If there's somebody you want me to move 249 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: to the top of the list. If you've got questions 250 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: about some fictional women, please let us know. You can 251 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: email us at Stuffidia mom Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com. 252 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast 253 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 1: or on Instagram at stuff I've Never Told You. 254 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 2: Thanks as always to our super. 255 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 1: Producer Christina Oh thanks, and thanks to you for listening. 256 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: Step On Never Told You protection of iHeartRadio. For more 257 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 258 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.